The second canva stop offering a perpetual licence there will be millions of users ready and waiting to support the next up and coming software. And I will be one of them.
I would hope they are smart enough to not take that route in the future because I agree that they would probably lose a majority of their users. I plan on using my V2 License as long as I can if they make those kinds of decisions
Based on the fact there was SO MUCH negative comments on the official announcement from Affinity. I hope they are smart and won't remove the one-time payment option. Otherwise I'm sure they will lose more than 60%-75% of their users who wanted to escape from Adobe's greed. But seeing Affinity removing their official announcement (with all those comments) and making a new one with comments being turned off, I have my doubts.
Adobe from the start was always a shit company that was never in it for anything but the money. At least Canva has put their money where their mouth is with their school and non-profit offerings.
@@drschAdobe in reality got the digital art movement going in its inception and as it matured it got to the point of the Creative Cloud Suite. It's constantly being updated and upgraded and in general so much software has turned to the SAS software as a service model. Every company is in it for the money and Adobe is no different, just bigger. It's the reality of the days of buying a license is fading away
It's clear that Canva saw the comments and the backlash and quickly back-pedaled and said that there would still be perpetual licenses alongside of subscription models. Because as Michael said, why would they not just say that from the outset?
It has been "time for GIMP to up their game" for twenty years. I have reported horrendous, blocking bugs to GIMP, with videos to substantiate it, only to be told "That's how it's supposed to work." Okay, so it's jacked-up and useless by design. Good to know.
that's my only real reason I hate and will never use GIMP, the UI. not only it being split into multiple windows is bad but the confusion I get while using it genuinely makes me throw up while using it
Thanks for the video! These kinds of acquisitions have ALWAYS led to costing the customer more, but we shall see if they remain true to their word. If they don't, I for one will go elsewhere. By all means, DIVERSIFY, never put all your eggs in one basket. A word of caution though, don't over do it so you lose time for each and most importantly, yourself!
When companies offer subscriptions, of course they have to jack up the perpetual license cost to make the subscription more appealing. This is how Adobe built up most of their catalog-acquiring other companies, and either rebranding them or killing them outright.
Hello, Michael. I just want to tell you how much I enjoy your attention to detail with regard to your audio. Please know it does not go unnoticed. Well done, old chap!!!
Also, I am interested to see what other content you are thinking of creating. The possibilities are endless and I know you can pull off some good stuff.
I really hope Affinity holds strong and individually separate from Canva licenses. We really need Adobe to have the competition. You get a SUB from this fellow small photo channel.
They will integrate both products on a subscription basis. That is what big companies do. Buy out the opposition and kill it off. I pretty much only use my Affinity Photo these days for pano stitching. My go to product is Photoscape X which is powerful and easy to use. I might look at buying the Pro version of Photoscape X.
No, I feel like Canva wants to jump into the professional market and they know professionals will never trust Canva as a design tool even it if improves to a professional level. Now they have Affinity, a trusted name that can use Canva's funding and technology to continue to improve. This gives Canva an instant means of attacking Adobe's practical monopoly.
You have great points that I agree with and more often than not, the company that gets acquired usually and eventually goes in an unfavorable direction. At least for now lets stay positive and hope that things don't change and hope that this business move turns out to be a one in the long run.
I agree with you. They may do the same as Xara designer where they still offer a perpetual license but make it so difficult to find that you are pushed to the subscription.
More likely it'll be like Canva's existing model where you have very few features if you don't buy a subscription. It pisses me off that this anti-consumer stuff is allowed to happen at all.
Here's why they will likely never take away a perpetual license or at least not for a very long time. Photoshop and Lightroom is only $9.99 a month. Photoshop has far more features especially with lightroom. If people are having to pay monthly they'll just move back to photoshop. I just don't see how Affinity is anywhere near the level they need to be at to compete with Adobe. The perpetual license is their main selling point. Take that away and most would choose Photoshop.
oh my gosh, I've only just paid for the upgrade of v2 for affinity. I was going to stick with v1 but when I got my new camera for some reason the iPad version 1 didn't support the format, so I waited for the easter sales and brought v2. only to find a company I don't like has brought them out. oh goodie. well ill not be swapping my camera for a long long time, so ill stick with v2 even when its no longer supported.
It is unfortunate that one of the last hold outs will likely become a subscription based model. I think the trade off would have to be a significant increase in value added, in order to maintain customer interest. If they just change the pricing, but don't provide anything, people will likely find other solutions. There are ways to do a subscription model correctly, but most companies don't pull that off.... only time will tell.
I am more worried about the quality of Affinity Designer in future updates than subscription. If supscription happens, I dont see any reason for not abandon Affinity to go with Illustrator
Whenever a company buys another company.....they only do that with the expectation that they can make more from this purchase than the cost of the purchase. They have a plan to do that. Perhaps....they want this new suite of products and they intend to market it to their existing very large user base.....or perhaps they want to make more money from the existing suite user base via subscriptions in the future. We'll never know until they make a change....anything prior to that is nothing more than speculation.
they probably saw the backlash in announcement so they put out the four pledges to calm community down. If they do go like adobe milking a product that I occasionally use for projects, not making living from, I will look for alternatives
IMHO, YES, Affinity is finished as the product(s) we came to love. As a retired 45-year software developer, I have been here too many times. The suits/exec/investors will head off to the Caribean (and some senior softdevs will get rich), but the majority of the IP brain trust will leave, and what will be left is a mere shell of the former product(s) (i.e., I retired from HP after they bought multiple companies that went to sh*t after HP bought them). NOT GOOD! SORRY TO HAVE TO SAY THAT!
What if I buy the affinity suite now and in a future they add subscriptions.. Will I maintain the suite permanently? Will I have to pay only if I want to upgrade a version in the future?
most likely yes, but i’ve heard that adobe cracks down on people using older versions of their products which people bought with a perpetual license so who knows.
In the short term, the real risk is to see the price of the next major release (V3) and future updates raise drastically to make the subscription looks artificially more attractive... But there are still strong alternatives: Corel have been in the business for as long as Adobe (back in the '90) and never gave up their perpetual license for Paint shop Pro. And of course, the more safe alternative is The Gimp, with it's perpetual free license, including major updates 😊
They can’t win what more do you want a declaration in blood? They obviously underestimated the feeling of the community and then decided to make it crystal clear. I really can’t see them doing away with one time purchase with all the new users they’ve just got from Adobe.
My pledge: Subscription or overall cost increase would take me back to Adobe with 100% certainty because 1) I’m using Adobe at work anyway 2) Lightroom
The fact that Canva wants to "acquire" companies signals Canva is about "control". These "consolidations" almost never work for the interests of consumers, but rather the greed of the "controllers", people who think they need to control everything, especially creatives and thinkers. The "merchant class" seems to be on its way to destroying yet another brand built by years of collaboration between users and companies that want to build the best product for the most people by a company that wants to make the most profit for a few people. Only time will tell. But history does not give us much hope.
Same here, got that same feeling... Bought the upgrade to the Universal License today though, just to be sure I've the latest version. But if you're willing to consider, maybe compare Affinity to GIMP, if you didn't do so already. Guess people will eventually drop Affinity and jump over to another suite, if Canva is going for that monthly fee after all. Fingers crossed they will not.
Remember, Adobe switched to subscriptions for tax reasons. Its cheaper for them tax wise to sell using a subscription service than it is to sell perpetual licenses.
Canva have made all of the right noises, but I can't help thinking that the car crash that has become Adobe over the last month will put Canva off making any dramatic changes to the Afinity business model. Affinity are probably the main beneficiaries for photo and graphics professionals moving away from the Adobe rights grab, so they'd be silly to try to emulate them
I see one scenario as continuation of a one off purchase base with maybe version upgrades at a fraction of new licence cost. I use topaz and it is awesome but each year the price is full cost for a year's worth of upgrade. Having left Adobe as soon as they went subscription, I embrace ai as another creative tool and would see this as a potential reason to justify incremental updates with a fractional pricing. Ultimately as a creative I think we need to see competition and not monopoly within the tool market place.
Only reason why affinity has the users is because nobody wanted to pay subscriptions and never own the software. If they do this it'll be no different than photoshop and at that point might as well go back to adobe. Hopefully they allow ownership of the software because if not were back to sqaure 1
Affinity users are refugees of subscription models. The only alternative are open source applications, and they are bug-ridden, have terrible UI or lack features.
Man, I found Affinity 2 after Vectornator became Curve and went subscription. Now Affinity is possibly following that model? Ugh. I bet there will be an Affinity 3 that includes AutoTrace which will be only subscription based. I know they say they’ll offer perpetual licenses but given every other company out there, I have my doubts.
I like that they are making it all free for students and educators, and I don’t mind if they offer subscription alongside the perpetual so long as its reasonable. Like if its 10$ a month, that is still wayyy lower than Adobe’s 80$+/month. If a small subscription for bonus features allows them to continue development and keep the lights on so we can use the perpetual license of the whole core suite then I’m alright with that. I understand they can’t do that for free. But I hope they don’t have it be stripped down and then offer features for 30$+
Given that any application not free and open-source _by design_ (i.e., Blender) is all-but guaranteed to follow in Adobe's footsteps (cf., late-stage capitalism) and resetting my power-user workflow every few years to keep pace with that churn would be a sure-fire false-economy, I long ago adopted the mantra: "Better the devil you know." If someone develops the equivalent of Blender for Photoshop-without needlessly re-inventing the wheel in the process-then I'll gladly take my dozens of custom actions and hundreds of keyboard-shortcuts, and migrate. 'Til then, respectfully; fuck all that noise.
If they are smart they keep basic Affinity (as it is now) intact and maybe put some generative ai options in a subscription or maybe other special functions but they have to keep basic Affinity as it is one time pay
For a while I am looking for a replacement of Photoshop. I earlier had Affinity Photo on my Windows computer besides Lightroom CC+Photoshop. The most I love on Adobe is Lightroom Classic (I don't use the cloud version). The only thing I liked best of Photoshop was the AI-function of easily removing a certain object, but now Lightroom has also this function. No need of using PS anymore. If you are a designer or artist PS is then a different story. So I would like to cancel Photoshop out of my description and like to buy Affinity Photo again or I go for Pixelmator Pro. But in replacement of cancelling Photoshop I will get more cloud-space and that is something I don't need! This is of course meant to pay the same amount as in the combination Lightroom+Photoshop. Why not a customer giving the opportunity to choose for example only Lightroom Classic? It is very clearly that Adobe is not thinking of the benefits of his customers. In general I think that 'buying' apps on description basis is a very bad thing. Of course I can stop with also Lightroom, but at this moment there is no alternative app for me, which is winning from Lightroom.
Well, if worse comes to worse, then I can at least download a copy of the latest release of AFFINITY and use that to reinstall on a new computer in the future...hopefully. Just hearing about this merger (takeover) is a bite in the ass. Hopefully they still give us updates with our current licenses they did in the past.
I just got Affinity for use by my not for profit.. I need to dump Adobe as they are increasingly pushy about Creative Cloud and AI. Th non profit has a permanent license for 50 possible users. I expect to use 5 or ten but, with new projects, I hope to offer opportunities to students and artists working with us on projects.
Ok so this is a bit of an ambitious question. I’m actually not very familiar with motion graphics but I know you can do that in a 2d animation app called Moho. I remember McCoy buck doing some live classes and videos on him doing a motion graphics children’s book. I didn’t see it cuz I was focused on blender at the time and I kinda forgot about it till I saw your video on how you are looking for a good motion graphics program. Again, Moho is more of a 2d vector graphics animation app but you can do motion graphics too. Maybe you can give it a spin? Do a review and if you plan to keep using it or not? Also Moho has been a stand alone price for years. But has two versions. Debut and pro. One time purchase.
Take snapshot,of their,statement saying that they will NOT change to subscription only! You may need it one day when like Adobe, out of the blue, they stop supporting their perpetual licenses which means that their paid for software will stop working if you have it on 2 machines already. When I bought cs5, there was nothing in their agreement t9 my knowledge stating that I would lose the abi,ity to use their software,just a few years later un less I switched to subscription model.
Everything now is just testing the water. They need to get certain words into the ecosystem, so in the future they can point back to them and say we warned you about this.
Now, as I am around people massively switching to open source software and OS, the people in charge need to understand, that if you take away good software from the people that need it, they will put their time and effort to learn something else. GIMP isnt the best software in the world, but I am just trying to imagine, what an angry "mob" of broken hearted software engineers can do and how these companies dont understand it. I am not thinking of buying affinity, but I will just wait up to see what will happen.
Sketch was the grandaddy of interface design apps, until they joined the dark side and went subscription. They offer sort-of an optional permanent license now but the damage is done. They will never recover that market from Figma. I predict Affinity will go subscription and offer something similar to Sketch, but there will be a new contender by then and Affinity will lose a big chunk of their customers.
Regarding Adobe overreach. Can we demand to …cease Ai? Or else be… laid off by Ai, then human extinction? Or suffer an… Ai new world order? With swell robotics everywhere, …Ai jobloss is the top worry. Anyone else feel the same?
I think if Canva moves Affinity to a subscription model, it will have to be competitively priced with Adobe. Affinity does not have a Lightroom type of image editor. If you have ever used today's Lighroom, it has lots of editing power beyond even Affinity. I never liked that about Affinity. I will wait and see, but in the end, the gold standard is Adobe. I will probably end up back there. Time will tell.
@christian-schubert Lightroom has AI and way better selection tools. In fact, most photographers like to stay in Lightroom for their editing, avoiding Photoshop if possible. Of course, high-level commercial photographers and editors use Capture One. I say use whatever works for your budget and workflow.
I agree. The RAW editing with affinity photo just isn't at the level as Lightroom or Capture One. That's actually why I ended up buying Capture One. I love Affinity for retouching, but I do mostly everything else in C1
@@MichaelSturgillone thing that discourages me about Affinity is their lack of interest in having a pro-level RAW developer. The Develop Persona seems like it’s there to do a minimal job in terms of features and image quality, and it is far from acceptable. I can spend a lot of time working on a RAW photo in Affinity and still not have a result that even approaches the quality of Capture One right out of the gate before any editing.
I don't see this as a bad thing at all. I'm excited that Canva is going to bring their funding and their technology to Affinity. This is the step Affinity needs to compete in the new AI world. Canva does AI better than Adobe in some areas and better than Affinity in all areas. Affinity is going to become better now.
Nah. If they're smart they'll port these to Linux. Because right now Adobe has me by the nuts, which is keeping me dual booting windows.... If I had a reliable professional suite of design tools for Linux I would quit. My DAW is here, I can use DAVINCI Resolve, Blender is here... I just need replacements for Photoshop, Illustrator, Indesign that aren't ugly open-sauce programs as a UI designer, I don't like software that looks cringe. If I can get Unreal 4/5 and Twinmotion here and Revit... i'm def not gonna need another OS
Affinity suite is just as bad for print production as Canva. I don't see this changing that, for sure. Hey, Canva, teach your users about bleed! Use US standard document sizes for users in the US! Sick of your crap already.
My intention isn't to spread fear or chase views. I think it's important to discuss what possibilities we may face down the road, even if it is just speculation. This is a change that has the potential to affect millions of people, and discussing it can help us be prepared for whatever may come our way and even show Canva what we want out of this acquisition
I hate subscription models but all apps are going to online tools, server based processing and AI. Its the future. Don't sweat it. Embrace it. If you're making money with the software, just add a bit to the fee to pay for the subscription. Thats how businesses do business.
Ai does require an online connection if you have some piddly chromebook or low spec machine. Also, as AI gets better you're gonna see more online processing for AI tools. Your laptop or desktops can only handle so much.Its just the way of the world now. Embrace it and evolve. @@Totenglocke42
I think it's fair to say we are allowed to share our opinions and our worries. These changes have the potential to affect millions of people and possibly their jobs. I have a feeling things will turn out okay in the end and that is what I'm hoping for, but like I said, change leads to uncertainty. I would hate to see this negatively impact people.
They will offer a sub membership and they’ll raise the price of the one time purchase drastically so people have no other realistic option than subscription. The exact same model Ubisoft is currently offering.
@@SKMRify Yes and no. You may have the highest skills, but if a tool lacks certain capabilities, those skills are useless. You can have the highest skills, but if the tool limits your work in terms of time, you can't work professionally. Take Affinity Photo as an example. Try to correct the white balance at once using a grey card for an entire session of 300 photos. Here, skills won't help. Affinity Photo not only doesn't work with grey cards (or colour charts in general) but also lacks batch processing. Affinity Photo is a programme for amateurs, not professionals, and a user's skills cannot compensate for what's impossible to do in AP. The printing engine in Affinity is an engine for just a few home printers, it doesn't meet industry standards. For over 20 years, Serif has been unable to fix the rendering/printing engine so that it correctly calculates vectors to pixels at a given DPI. Change the document size while maintaining proportions, and you'll notice throughout Affinity how you'll get, for example, a size of 128.6px. What is 0.6px? Now try to print a pattern on a 7-metre wide fabric on a 200-metre roll, with a pattern repeating edge-to-edge, when the programme has calculated 0.6px for you. Good luck. Every fourth industrial machine will draw a line in a transparent colour (usually black or white). And now, how are skills supposed to help? That you'll be sitting with a calculator and pencil in hand, recalculating on thousands of analogue paper sheets the positions of each of the thousands of vectors you used in your graphic design from DPI to coordinates in WHOLE pixels, because after all, 0.6px doesn't exist. Professionally means quickly, confidently, without problems, with investor trust and without wasting their money and time (a badly printed bolt of fabric is a small cost, but 200 such bolts is already time and big money). Affinity is for amateurs, not for professionals. I've known Serif since... since I used Page Plus on Windows 3.11. I'm almost a pathological fanboy of this company. I have purchased licences for all their products, even multiple licences for many. Affinity is currently my primary suite. Perhaps that's why I know who the target audience of Serif is (or was, because Serif no longer exists). I've talked with engineers for hours, discussing functionalities, bugs, ideas for future versions. In several manuals for their programmes, you'll find my name (somewhere at the very end, but still). Serif never had the financial backing or even the desire to target the professional sector. They always aimed at education, offices, amateurs, advanced amateurs, undemanding low-professional applications. Serif was a group of enthusiastic software engineers. Serif never had sufficient funds for licences to catch up with the world of professional applications. That's why they invented everything anew, they had their own unique ideas not found anywhere else. Nothing that came out of Serif was ever a PROFESSIONAL tool.
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The second canva stop offering a perpetual licence there will be millions of users ready and waiting to support the next up and coming software. And I will be one of them.
And that next and up software is? Btw since it is perpetual license you can continue to use Affinity for life. Why would you dump it.
I would hope they are smart enough to not take that route in the future because I agree that they would probably lose a majority of their users. I plan on using my V2 License as long as I can if they make those kinds of decisions
Fortunately at my age and for my use as long as Affinity V3 has a perpetual license that is all I will need.
Mega ditto
Based on the fact there was SO MUCH negative comments on the official announcement from Affinity. I hope they are smart and won't remove the one-time payment option. Otherwise I'm sure they will lose more than 60%-75% of their users who wanted to escape from Adobe's greed.
But seeing Affinity removing their official announcement (with all those comments) and making a new one with comments being turned off, I have my doubts.
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Adobe once had its one off purchase AND subscription available at one time....before they phased it out.
I hope the same doesn't happen with Affinity
@@MichaelSturgill you already know whats about to happen.
Adobe from the start was always a shit company that was never in it for anything but the money. At least Canva has put their money where their mouth is with their school and non-profit offerings.
didn't they sue users that used those one time purchases?
@@drschAdobe in reality got the digital art movement going in its inception and as it matured it got to the point of the Creative Cloud Suite. It's constantly being updated and upgraded and in general so much software has turned to the SAS software as a service model. Every company is in it for the money and Adobe is no different, just bigger. It's the reality of the days of buying a license is fading away
It's clear that Canva saw the comments and the backlash and quickly back-pedaled and said that there would still be perpetual licenses alongside of subscription models. Because as Michael said, why would they not just say that from the outset?
Yeah, that's pretty much what I'm assuming happened as well
Because if they could have gotten by with the “sin of omission,” they would have.
But wtf would that even look like? Ads for people who aren't on subscription?
Well looks like GIMP's one in a million chance - time for them to drastically up their game
haha. I mean, if they up their game, I'm here for it.
They need a professional UI designer to contribute. Gimp's interface, for lack of a better word, is amateurish.
It has been "time for GIMP to up their game" for twenty years. I have reported horrendous, blocking bugs to GIMP, with videos to substantiate it, only to be told "That's how it's supposed to work." Okay, so it's jacked-up and useless by design. Good to know.
that's my only real reason I hate and will never use GIMP, the UI.
not only it being split into multiple windows is bad but the confusion I get while using it genuinely makes me throw up while using it
Haha how about Inkscape?
Thanks for the video! These kinds of acquisitions have ALWAYS led to costing the customer more, but we shall see if they remain true to their word. If they don't, I for one will go elsewhere.
By all means, DIVERSIFY, never put all your eggs in one basket. A word of caution though, don't over do it so you lose time for each and most importantly, yourself!
When companies offer subscriptions, of course they have to jack up the perpetual license cost to make the subscription more appealing. This is how Adobe built up most of their catalog-acquiring other companies, and either rebranding them or killing them outright.
Hello, Michael. I just want to tell you how much I enjoy your attention to detail with regard to your audio. Please know it does not go unnoticed. Well done, old chap!!!
Thank you! That actually means a lot to me. I'm glad you noticed it and like it!
Also, I am interested to see what other content you are thinking of creating. The possibilities are endless and I know you can pull off some good stuff.
Thank you. I really appreciate that!
I really hope Affinity holds strong and individually separate from Canva licenses. We really need Adobe to have the competition. You get a SUB from this fellow small photo channel.
They will integrate both products on a subscription basis. That is what big companies do. Buy out the opposition and kill it off. I pretty much only use my Affinity Photo these days for pano stitching. My go to product is Photoscape X which is powerful and easy to use. I might look at buying the Pro version of Photoscape X.
As long as it works for you and fulfills your needs, do what you need to do!
No, I feel like Canva wants to jump into the professional market and they know professionals will never trust Canva as a design tool even it if improves to a professional level. Now they have Affinity, a trusted name that can use Canva's funding and technology to continue to improve. This gives Canva an instant means of attacking Adobe's practical monopoly.
@@drsch I do hope you are right.
1:07 how do u have access to the dislike ratio?
There's an extension you can get for Chrome and Firefox called return RUclips dislike
@@MichaelSturgill woah woah. i thought it worked only upto 2022/23 december etc...
Thanks for clearing this.
I download the affinity bundle
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You have great points that I agree with and more often than not, the company that gets acquired usually and eventually goes in an unfavorable direction. At least for now lets stay positive and hope that things don't change and hope that this business move turns out to be a one in the long run.
I think that is the best thing we can do right now. I'm hopeful for the future!
I agree with you. They may do the same as Xara designer where they still offer a perpetual license but make it so difficult to find that you are pushed to the subscription.
More likely it'll be like Canva's existing model where you have very few features if you don't buy a subscription. It pisses me off that this anti-consumer stuff is allowed to happen at all.
Yeah, I've seen some other companies that make it feel like they hide the perpetual option behind some clicks.
How about Pixelmator Pro for photo editing and Vectorstyler for vector work?
Here's why they will likely never take away a perpetual license or at least not for a very long time. Photoshop and Lightroom is only $9.99 a month. Photoshop has far more features especially with lightroom. If people are having to pay monthly they'll just move back to photoshop. I just don't see how Affinity is anywhere near the level they need to be at to compete with Adobe. The perpetual license is their main selling point. Take that away and most would choose Photoshop.
That's a good point.
My thoughts exactly. If you’re going to have to pay for a subscription, why wouldn’t you just go with Adobe.
oh my gosh, I've only just paid for the upgrade of v2 for affinity. I was going to stick with v1 but when I got my new camera for some reason the iPad version 1 didn't support the format, so I waited for the easter sales and brought v2. only to find a company I don't like has brought them out. oh goodie. well ill not be swapping my camera for a long long time, so ill stick with v2 even when its no longer supported.
It is unfortunate that one of the last hold outs will likely become a subscription based model. I think the trade off would have to be a significant increase in value added, in order to maintain customer interest. If they just change the pricing, but don't provide anything, people will likely find other solutions. There are ways to do a subscription model correctly, but most companies don't pull that off.... only time will tell.
Very true. I would hope that this leads to some great features in the future.
I am more worried about the quality of Affinity Designer in future updates than subscription. If supscription happens, I dont see any reason for not abandon Affinity to go with Illustrator
Whenever a company buys another company.....they only do that with the expectation that they can make more from this purchase than the cost of the purchase.
They have a plan to do that.
Perhaps....they want this new suite of products and they intend to market it to their existing very large user base.....or perhaps they want to make more money from the existing suite user base via subscriptions in the future.
We'll never know until they make a change....anything prior to that is nothing more than speculation.
Can you create a video on how to.Make a mogrt please
Using affinity software
they probably saw the backlash in announcement so they put out the four pledges to calm community down. If they do go like adobe milking a product that I occasionally use for projects, not making living from, I will look for alternatives
IMHO, YES, Affinity is finished as the product(s) we came to love. As a retired 45-year software developer, I have been here too many times. The suits/exec/investors will head off to the Caribean (and some senior softdevs will get rich), but the majority of the IP brain trust will leave, and what will be left is a mere shell of the former product(s) (i.e., I retired from HP after they bought multiple companies that went to sh*t after HP bought them). NOT GOOD! SORRY TO HAVE TO SAY THAT!
I'm really hoping that doesn't become the case, but I know it's happened with many companies before.
What if I buy the affinity suite now and in a future they add subscriptions.. Will I maintain the suite permanently? Will I have to pay only if I want to upgrade a version in the future?
most likely yes, but i’ve heard that adobe cracks down on people using older versions of their products which people bought with a perpetual license so who knows.
ok what the alternative beside affinity?
Please cover GIMP and Inkscape. Thanks
I unfortunately don't know much about Inkscape, but I can consider covering GIMP in the future! Thank you
If affinity ever switches to subscription model, it will probably be optional like with toonboom and clip studio where there's two different plans
In the short term, the real risk is to see the price of the next major release (V3) and future updates raise drastically to make the subscription looks artificially more attractive...
But there are still strong alternatives: Corel have been in the business for as long as Adobe (back in the '90) and never gave up their perpetual license for Paint shop Pro. And of course, the more safe alternative is The Gimp, with it's perpetual free license, including major updates 😊
They can’t win what more do you want a declaration in blood? They obviously underestimated the feeling of the community and then decided to make it crystal clear. I really can’t see them doing away with one time purchase with all the new users they’ve just got from Adobe.
My pledge: Subscription or overall cost increase would take me back to Adobe with 100% certainty because 1) I’m using Adobe at work anyway 2) Lightroom
I think there are many others that would follow suit if that becomes the case.
The fact that Canva wants to "acquire" companies signals Canva is about "control".
These "consolidations" almost never work for the interests of consumers, but rather the greed of the "controllers", people who think they need to control everything, especially creatives and thinkers.
The "merchant class" seems to be on its way to destroying yet another brand built by years of collaboration between users and companies that want to build the best product for the most people by a company that wants to make the most profit for a few people. Only time will tell. But history does not give us much hope.
Same here, got that same feeling... Bought the upgrade to the Universal License today though, just to be sure I've the latest version.
But if you're willing to consider, maybe compare Affinity to GIMP, if you didn't do so already. Guess people will eventually drop Affinity and jump over to another suite, if Canva is going for that monthly fee after all. Fingers crossed they will not.
Inkscape and Scribus need to have help and step up their game.
I’m fed up with greedy corporations trying to force subscriptions on us wherever they can.
Really nice content! I feel you!
Remember, Adobe switched to subscriptions for tax reasons. Its cheaper for them tax wise to sell using a subscription service than it is to sell perpetual licenses.
Tax… makes sense. Definitely should be talked about more often.
Canva have made all of the right noises, but I can't help thinking that the car crash that has become Adobe over the last month will put Canva off making any dramatic changes to the Afinity business model. Affinity are probably the main beneficiaries for photo and graphics professionals moving away from the Adobe rights grab, so they'd be silly to try to emulate them
Thanks for the great insight and detective work
I see one scenario as continuation of a one off purchase base with maybe version upgrades at a fraction of new licence cost. I use topaz and it is awesome but each year the price is full cost for a year's worth of upgrade. Having left Adobe as soon as they went subscription, I embrace ai as another creative tool and would see this as a potential reason to justify incremental updates with a fractional pricing. Ultimately as a creative I think we need to see competition and not monopoly within the tool market place.
If it ends up being subscription I’ll be off back to a slightly superior Adobe because of Lightroom…
Yeah, that seems to be the common consensus. I plan on sticking with my V2 and Capture One if they decide to go down that route
It's a shame I ended up preferring Designer over Illustrator for my illustration work.
Yeah, I feel you. At least we can still use what we bought no matter what happens in the future
Only reason why affinity has the users is because nobody wanted to pay subscriptions and never own the software. If they do this it'll be no different than photoshop and at that point might as well go back to adobe. Hopefully they allow ownership of the software because if not were back to sqaure 1
Is there an alternative to affinity?
Unfortunately Gimp is the last alternative without a subscription.
Yeah. I have a list of Adobe alternatives on my website (link in description) and the alternatives work both ways if you wanted to check it out!
Imho. the best combination is DXO for RAW conversion and Affinity, with it's layers facility, for adjustments.
Affinity users are refugees of subscription models. The only alternative are open source applications, and they are bug-ridden, have terrible UI or lack features.
Oh man... I just got the suite all figured out after being an Adobe user for 30 years. Please continue Affinity suite with updates.
Just saying!!
Man, I found Affinity 2 after Vectornator became Curve and went subscription. Now Affinity is possibly following that model? Ugh.
I bet there will be an Affinity 3 that includes AutoTrace which will be only subscription based. I know they say they’ll offer perpetual licenses but given every other company out there, I have my doubts.
The start of the end...I will jump ship as soon as they introduce subscription
Amazing video, how do you make those screen recording animations?
Thanks! I just take a high resolution screenshot and use a mixture of 3d camera animation and blur effects like tilt shift in Davinci Resolve
I like that they are making it all free for students and educators, and I don’t mind if they offer subscription alongside the perpetual so long as its reasonable. Like if its 10$ a month, that is still wayyy lower than Adobe’s 80$+/month. If a small subscription for bonus features allows them to continue development and keep the lights on so we can use the perpetual license of the whole core suite then I’m alright with that. I understand they can’t do that for free. But I hope they don’t have it be stripped down and then offer features for 30$+
Given that any application not free and open-source _by design_ (i.e., Blender) is all-but guaranteed to follow in Adobe's footsteps (cf., late-stage capitalism) and resetting my power-user workflow every few years to keep pace with that churn would be a sure-fire false-economy, I long ago adopted the mantra: "Better the devil you know."
If someone develops the equivalent of Blender for Photoshop-without needlessly re-inventing the wheel in the process-then I'll gladly take my dozens of custom actions and hundreds of keyboard-shortcuts, and migrate.
'Til then, respectfully; fuck all that noise.
Oh-no 😢
I know 😢
Corel, meanwhile, offers both subscription and buyback options for its products.
Corel will be watching this battle and rubbing its hands.
If they are smart they keep basic Affinity (as it is now) intact and maybe put some generative ai options in a subscription or maybe other special functions but they have to keep basic Affinity as it is one time pay
For a while I am looking for a replacement of Photoshop. I earlier had Affinity Photo on my Windows computer besides Lightroom CC+Photoshop. The most I love on Adobe is Lightroom Classic (I don't use the cloud version). The only thing I liked best of Photoshop was the AI-function of easily removing a certain object, but now Lightroom has also this function. No need of using PS anymore. If you are a designer or artist PS is then a different story. So I would like to cancel Photoshop out of my description and like to buy Affinity Photo again or I go for Pixelmator Pro. But in replacement of cancelling Photoshop I will get more cloud-space and that is something I don't need! This is of course meant to pay the same amount as in the combination Lightroom+Photoshop. Why not a customer giving the opportunity to choose for example only Lightroom Classic? It is very clearly that Adobe is not thinking of the benefits of his customers. In general I think that 'buying' apps on description basis is a very bad thing. Of course I can stop with also Lightroom, but at this moment there is no alternative app for me, which is winning from Lightroom.
Well, if worse comes to worse, then I can at least download a copy of the latest release of AFFINITY and use that to reinstall on a new computer in the future...hopefully. Just hearing about this merger (takeover) is a bite in the ass. Hopefully they still give us updates with our current licenses they did in the past.
After Adobe changed their terms LOTS of Photoshop users are switching to Affinity..... so, well done Canva
that name/design is dope!
.. That’s the reason I even do not upgrade to v2..
Well, that sounds like Affinity is learning from CSP, cause we have the same shet over here xD I just hope they all won't become like adobe in the end
I just got Affinity for use by my not for profit.. I need to dump Adobe as they are increasingly pushy about Creative Cloud and AI. Th non profit has a permanent license for 50 possible users. I expect to use 5 or ten but, with new projects, I hope to offer opportunities to students and artists working with us on projects.
My guess is that v3 will be subscription
Ok so this is a bit of an ambitious question. I’m actually not very familiar with motion graphics but I know you can do that in a 2d animation app called Moho. I remember McCoy buck doing some live classes and videos on him doing a motion graphics children’s book. I didn’t see it cuz I was focused on blender at the time and I kinda forgot about it till I saw your video on how you are looking for a good motion graphics program. Again, Moho is more of a 2d vector graphics animation app but you can do motion graphics too. Maybe you can give it a spin? Do a review and if you plan to keep using it or not?
Also Moho has been a stand alone price for years. But has two versions. Debut and pro. One time purchase.
Take snapshot,of their,statement saying that they will NOT change to subscription only! You may need it one day when like Adobe, out of the blue, they stop supporting their perpetual licenses which means that their paid for software will stop working if you have it on 2 machines already. When I bought cs5, there was nothing in their agreement t9 my knowledge stating that I would lose the abi,ity to use their software,just a few years later un less I switched to subscription model.
Everything now is just testing the water. They need to get certain words into the ecosystem, so in the future they can point back to them and say we warned you about this.
Now, as I am around people massively switching to open source software and OS, the people in charge need to understand, that if you take away good software from the people that need it, they will put their time and effort to learn something else. GIMP isnt the best software in the world, but I am just trying to imagine, what an angry "mob" of broken hearted software engineers can do and how these companies dont understand it. I am not thinking of buying affinity, but I will just wait up to see what will happen.
Sketch was the grandaddy of interface design apps, until they joined the dark side and went subscription. They offer sort-of an optional permanent license now but the damage is done. They will never recover that market from Figma.
I predict Affinity will go subscription and offer something similar to Sketch, but there will be a new contender by then and Affinity will lose a big chunk of their customers.
Will be the same pricing model as ON1
Cover Krita. thx
nothing is forever. there will be new apps maybe even the old owners of affinity.
DON'T WORRY!..Its only the end of the Affinity World.
I use affinity because it can run on my toaster + adobe sucks
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This really terrible news. Damn! 😢
ha...so your concern is implicitly about your content
They will destroy Affinity. Like Microsoft did with first party games.
Regarding Adobe overreach. Can we demand to …cease Ai? Or else be… laid off by Ai, then human extinction? Or suffer an… Ai new world order? With swell robotics everywhere, …Ai jobloss is the top worry. Anyone else feel the same?
Canva will introduce a subscription model for affinity within 2 years.
I think if Canva moves Affinity to a subscription model, it will have to be competitively priced with Adobe. Affinity does not have a Lightroom type of image editor. If you have ever used today's Lighroom, it has lots of editing power beyond even Affinity. I never liked that about Affinity. I will wait and see, but in the end, the gold standard is Adobe. I will probably end up back there. Time will tell.
What does Lightroom offer that Affinity doesn't?
@christian-schubert Lightroom has AI and way better selection tools. In fact, most photographers like to stay in Lightroom for their editing, avoiding Photoshop if possible. Of course, high-level commercial photographers and editors use Capture One. I say use whatever works for your budget and workflow.
I agree. The RAW editing with affinity photo just isn't at the level as Lightroom or Capture One. That's actually why I ended up buying Capture One. I love Affinity for retouching, but I do mostly everything else in C1
@@MichaelSturgillone thing that discourages me about Affinity is their lack of interest in having a pro-level RAW developer. The Develop Persona seems like it’s there to do a minimal job in terms of features and image quality, and it is far from acceptable. I can spend a lot of time working on a RAW photo in Affinity and still not have a result that even approaches the quality of Capture One right out of the gate before any editing.
I don't see this as a bad thing at all. I'm excited that Canva is going to bring their funding and their technology to Affinity. This is the step Affinity needs to compete in the new AI world. Canva does AI better than Adobe in some areas and better than Affinity in all areas. Affinity is going to become better now.
THE ONE PIECE IS REAL!... there let the great pirate age begin 😈🤣
yes it is the end of Affinity as it is..
Nah. If they're smart they'll port these to Linux. Because right now Adobe has me by the nuts, which is keeping me dual booting windows.... If I had a reliable professional suite of design tools for Linux I would quit. My DAW is here, I can use DAVINCI Resolve, Blender is here... I just need replacements for Photoshop, Illustrator, Indesign that aren't ugly open-sauce programs as a UI designer, I don't like software that looks cringe. If I can get Unreal 4/5 and Twinmotion here and Revit... i'm def not gonna need another OS
The only reason I use shitty windows is because of Adobe.
Affinity suite is just as bad for print production as Canva. I don't see this changing that, for sure.
Hey, Canva, teach your users about bleed! Use US standard document sizes for users in the US! Sick of your crap already.
Turn to GIMP and Inkscape instead, hhhhh
lose that washout filter ...
Bye bye data
stop bloody speculating just to get more views !
My intention isn't to spread fear or chase views. I think it's important to discuss what possibilities we may face down the road, even if it is just speculation. This is a change that has the potential to affect millions of people, and discussing it can help us be prepared for whatever may come our way and even show Canva what we want out of this acquisition
I hate subscription models but all apps are going to online tools, server based processing and AI. Its the future. Don't sweat it. Embrace it. If you're making money with the software, just add a bit to the fee to pay for the subscription. Thats how businesses do business.
Screw that
Fuck that bullshit. AI does not require an online connection.
Ai does require an online connection if you have some piddly chromebook or low spec machine. Also, as AI gets better you're gonna see more online processing for AI tools. Your laptop or desktops can only handle so much.Its just the way of the world now. Embrace it and evolve.
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To be honest that's somewhat simplistic.
In comparison, not as simple as that sentence you wrote.
BS, stop with the doom and gloom crap you lot keep clickbaiting with.
I think it's fair to say we are allowed to share our opinions and our worries. These changes have the potential to affect millions of people and possibly their jobs. I have a feeling things will turn out okay in the end and that is what I'm hoping for, but like I said, change leads to uncertainty. I would hate to see this negatively impact people.
They will offer a sub membership and they’ll raise the price of the one time purchase drastically so people have no other realistic option than subscription. The exact same model Ubisoft is currently offering.
Affinity is not designed for professionals, it is a package for amateurs and advanced amateurs!!!
Yet we see spectacular work from some users of Affinity, even GIMP and Inkscape.
@@SKMRify Nowhere is it written that professionals can't use amateur tools.
@@sebastianmichael5208 It's more the skill of the user than the tool.
@@SKMRify Yes and no. You may have the highest skills, but if a tool lacks certain capabilities, those skills are useless. You can have the highest skills, but if the tool limits your work in terms of time, you can't work professionally. Take Affinity Photo as an example. Try to correct the white balance at once using a grey card for an entire session of 300 photos. Here, skills won't help. Affinity Photo not only doesn't work with grey cards (or colour charts in general) but also lacks batch processing. Affinity Photo is a programme for amateurs, not professionals, and a user's skills cannot compensate for what's impossible to do in AP. The printing engine in Affinity is an engine for just a few home printers, it doesn't meet industry standards. For over 20 years, Serif has been unable to fix the rendering/printing engine so that it correctly calculates vectors to pixels at a given DPI. Change the document size while maintaining proportions, and you'll notice throughout Affinity how you'll get, for example, a size of 128.6px. What is 0.6px? Now try to print a pattern on a 7-metre wide fabric on a 200-metre roll, with a pattern repeating edge-to-edge, when the programme has calculated 0.6px for you. Good luck. Every fourth industrial machine will draw a line in a transparent colour (usually black or white). And now, how are skills supposed to help? That you'll be sitting with a calculator and pencil in hand, recalculating on thousands of analogue paper sheets the positions of each of the thousands of vectors you used in your graphic design from DPI to coordinates in WHOLE pixels, because after all, 0.6px doesn't exist. Professionally means quickly, confidently, without problems, with investor trust and without wasting their money and time (a badly printed bolt of fabric is a small cost, but 200 such bolts is already time and big money). Affinity is for amateurs, not for professionals. I've known Serif since... since I used Page Plus on Windows 3.11. I'm almost a pathological fanboy of this company. I have purchased licences for all their products, even multiple licences for many. Affinity is currently my primary suite. Perhaps that's why I know who the target audience of Serif is (or was, because Serif no longer exists). I've talked with engineers for hours, discussing functionalities, bugs, ideas for future versions. In several manuals for their programmes, you'll find my name (somewhere at the very end, but still). Serif never had the financial backing or even the desire to target the professional sector. They always aimed at education, offices, amateurs, advanced amateurs, undemanding low-professional applications. Serif was a group of enthusiastic software engineers. Serif never had sufficient funds for licences to catch up with the world of professional applications. That's why they invented everything anew, they had their own unique ideas not found anywhere else. Nothing that came out of Serif was ever a PROFESSIONAL tool.