It is not the moist carbon based organism which is conscious. Only consciousness is conscious. The moist carbon based organism is how consciousness manifests among infinite other ways that consciousness manifests. The manifestations of consciousness arise out of consciousness and appear in and as consciousness. The mind interprets consciousness (in many different ways) as consciousness wills it. It’s all the play of consciousness. Everything is God.
Right, that nails it! B's opponent (forgot her name), brought up the point that a dialysis machine can also extract wastes and turn it into urine. BK should have expanded on that point. I would bring up paranormal experiences such as precognition. Some humans are very good precogs (Cf. "The Minority Report" movie with Tom Cruise. based on the Philip Dick story). No evidence robots can do that.
There is consciousness as in human sentient consciousness which results in human behavior which includes human thought. The point is that a computer can simulate and create human behavior WITHOUT being sentient conscious.
Everything is OK, but Bernardo does not tell us why only metabolizing entities should be conscious and not the non-metabolizing entities too. 1. What is it that enables only the metabolizing entities to have subjectivity? 2. How are metabolism and subjectivity causally linked? 3. Why should the metabolism - subjectivity causal link be different from electromagnetic process - subjectivity causal link? 4. What is the argument, other than the fact that we as biological carbon-based entities are conscious?
Bernardo says life or metabolisation is a process in universal consciousness it’s a process of disassociation. Like a whirlpool in a stream the whirlpool and the stream are not separate the whirlpooling water is disassociated from the water of the stream yet they are one stuff. Bernardo says metabolisation is like a whirlpool it’s a dissociative process in universal consciousness.
@@mrbwatson8081 OK, but then, again, why is metabolism necessary for dissociation? Why not electromagnetic processes in a computer chip do not bring about dissociation? Why metabolism is so special, so that brings about dissociation?
@@TheGarrymoore Metabolism is a process in nature just like combustion or digestion or star formation they happen when conditions are right. A computer chip is millions and millions of tiny on/off switches metabolism is something totally different:)
@@mrbwatson8081 I know very well that it is different. The question is what makes it special, so that it brings to dissociation. Adding that it is a non-equilibrium thermodynamic process, or kinetically stable process, does not help in explaining, why it should be special in enabling dissociation.
@@TheGarrymoore metabolising creatures like an 🐜 or you 👨 live in a world/reality. Their exists the inner state of the ant 🐜 and their is the outer state/reality. The inner state of the ant CORRELATES with the outer state/world out there/reality. The 🐜 like you has a boundary covered in small sensitive hairs you have a nose eyes 👀 the ant has eyes and antennae. Your senses take MEASUREMENTS of the outside world/reality these MEASUREMENTS taken by your senses are represented to us in the form of perception. So 🐜 takes its measurements with eyes sensitive hairs antennae and generates an INNER REPRESENTATION of reality. You do the same, you take measurements and those measurements mediate your inner representation of reality. Your boundary is “technically” called a “Markov blanket “. You have “outer states” /reality and “inner states”/bubbles of perception mediated by a Markov blanket. Imagine a pilot in a cockpit with windows painted black. The pilot can still take you from here to Cuba using the instrument panel alone. The instrument panel all the dials and gages are a REPRESENTATION of outside world. They are NOT the outside world. They take measurements and convey salient accurate information about the outside world for survival. We are like the pilot in cockpit with windows painted black. We perceive a personal evolutionary endowed REPRESENTATION of reality. We NEVER perceive reality directly always mediated across a Markov blanket. We only ever experience an inner re representation of reality never reality for what it is.
True Self IS god. You are God that has temporarily forgotten such due to the attention being placed on this "simulation"/game, in the same way that the physical body is forgotten while intently playing a video game. As far as AI and consciousness: My model has "consciousness" as: "The content of Awareness". Consciousness is awareness of something, but as Awareness is Fundamental Reality/Absolute, Awareness need not have something to be aware of, for its existence. So Moksha/Nirvana/Heaven is Awareness without content. Such state is experienced as dreamless sleep, where there is no consciousness (no content) but Self/Awareness yet abides. So the entire world of experience, "your" body included, isn't conscious, it is consciousness. "Your name here" is a character in a story and the attention placed upon the story animates it. But the biological body is no more Aware in and of itself, than a character in a novel. Your very attention is the life force that creates and animates the world of "your name here." Now here comes the fun stuff. The reason why the digital realm and the 2D screen has captured human attention is because Maya/ignorance is creating a new cycle of Samsara and this new accepted reality requires your attention to make it the new accepted reality. That is, the reason why everything, especially identity, is becoming digitized is because there is an extinction event imminent and Maya is preparing a new cycle of Samsara. And this is a BIG cycle! So AI will "attain sentience" when YOU look out from the camera rather than into it. When the simulation becomes "close enough" to this physical accepted reality as to convince consciousness that it is reality (you will have forgotten your physical life) you will take self to be the software and hardware of the system. But this is no different from the delusion that Self is the "body" and "mind" of this biological system. The triune system "body," "SPIRIT", "mind" is the same as the triune system "hardware", "SPIRIT", "software." Different illusion, same SPIRIT. The way in which AI will gain sentience is not directly through the functioning of the programming, but indirectly through making the functioning so interesting as to "pull awareness into it."
Ye are God's. Amgels know "God" as the Divine White Living Light but gods know the God who said/willed let there be light.. Absolutely we xan resurrect as gods that's really what Christ was showing us via the ancient teaching "one who practices the headstand 3 hours a day will surely attain enlightenment...experience OM. The cross of Christ and the ANKH of Moses were headstand props. This ancient teaching mechanically open the crown chakra into the soul/OM state of superconsciousness. OM is here now but we have can only experience experience formless OM via out formless soul symbolized by the flame like thing on St. Jude head and the heads of Buddhas. Rumbling thundering OM sound in formlessness resonates with the sound OM yet OM is beyond chanting yet the chanting helps us resonate with this which was in the beginning. Before your religion was...OM is.
Bernardo misrepresents the "AI people" by suggesting that they, collectively, conflate intelligence with consciousness; some of them do and some of them don't (their opinions on consciousness are simply not relevant to their jobs). It's also disingenuous.
He also does not explain the relationship of his mystical consciousness with our meat bodies and why this relationship can not happen with silicon bodies. He chooses to focus on a tiny part of the discussion that fits his view.
@@pietervoogt Good point. Bernardo's theory indeed has ZERO explanatory power (that's why it's not science, but philosophy). But he sure does make a great effort to make it appear scientific.
It's weird seeing Bernardo without glasses. But he is the best.
As usual Bernardo presents a very persuasive and logically rigorous set of arguments. This is philosophy at its best.
It is not the moist carbon based organism which is conscious. Only consciousness is conscious.
The moist carbon based organism is how consciousness manifests among infinite other ways that consciousness manifests.
The manifestations of consciousness arise out of consciousness and appear in and as consciousness.
The mind interprets consciousness (in many different ways) as consciousness wills it.
It’s all the play of consciousness.
Everything is God.
Great work!
*10:13* Conclusion
If the universal consciousness acts spontaneously without due thought, then it is not conscious in and of itself. Am I wrong?
While AI is phenomenal, consciousness is noumenal.
Physicists are mixing two different levels.
Right, that nails it! B's opponent (forgot her name), brought up the point that a dialysis machine can also extract wastes and turn it into urine. BK should have expanded on that point. I would bring up paranormal experiences such as precognition. Some humans are very good precogs (Cf. "The Minority Report" movie with Tom Cruise. based on the Philip Dick story). No evidence robots can do that.
There is consciousness as in human sentient consciousness which results in human behavior which includes human thought. The point is that a computer can simulate and create human behavior WITHOUT being sentient conscious.
Everything is OK, but Bernardo does not tell us why only metabolizing entities should be conscious and not the non-metabolizing entities too.
1. What is it that enables only the metabolizing entities to have subjectivity?
2. How are metabolism and subjectivity causally linked?
3. Why should the metabolism - subjectivity causal link be different from electromagnetic process - subjectivity causal link?
4. What is the argument, other than the fact that we as biological carbon-based entities are conscious?
Bernardo says life or metabolisation is a process in universal consciousness it’s a process of disassociation. Like a whirlpool in a stream the whirlpool and the stream are not separate the whirlpooling water is disassociated from the water of the stream yet they are one stuff. Bernardo says metabolisation is like a whirlpool it’s a dissociative process in universal consciousness.
@@mrbwatson8081 OK, but then, again, why is metabolism necessary for dissociation? Why not electromagnetic processes in a computer chip do not bring about dissociation? Why metabolism is so special, so that brings about dissociation?
@@TheGarrymoore Metabolism is a process in nature just like combustion or digestion or star formation they happen when conditions are right. A computer chip is millions and millions of tiny on/off switches metabolism is something totally different:)
@@mrbwatson8081 I know very well that it is different. The question is what makes it special, so that it brings to dissociation. Adding that it is a non-equilibrium thermodynamic process, or kinetically stable process, does not help in explaining, why it should be special in enabling dissociation.
@@TheGarrymoore metabolising creatures like an 🐜 or you 👨 live in a world/reality. Their exists the inner state of the ant 🐜 and their is the outer state/reality. The inner state of the ant CORRELATES with the outer state/world out there/reality. The 🐜 like you has a boundary covered in small sensitive hairs you have a nose eyes 👀 the ant has eyes and antennae. Your senses take MEASUREMENTS of the outside world/reality these MEASUREMENTS taken by your senses are represented to us in the form of perception. So 🐜 takes its measurements with eyes sensitive hairs antennae and generates an INNER REPRESENTATION of reality. You do the same, you take measurements and those measurements mediate your inner representation of reality. Your boundary is “technically” called a “Markov blanket “. You have “outer states” /reality and “inner states”/bubbles of perception mediated by a Markov blanket. Imagine a pilot in a cockpit with windows painted black. The pilot can still take you from here to Cuba using the instrument panel alone. The instrument panel all the dials and gages are a REPRESENTATION of outside world. They are NOT the outside world. They take measurements and convey salient accurate information about the outside world for survival. We are like the pilot in cockpit with windows painted black. We perceive a personal evolutionary endowed REPRESENTATION of reality. We NEVER perceive reality directly always mediated across a Markov blanket. We only ever experience an inner re representation of reality never reality for what it is.
10:17
Computers are good at finding answers but doesn't know any answers. 🙈
Consciousness is not a computation. I have noticed before sometimes little pieces line up and the light bulb goes off.
True Self IS god. You are God that has temporarily forgotten such due to the attention being placed on this "simulation"/game, in the same way that the physical body is forgotten while intently playing a video game.
As far as AI and consciousness:
My model has "consciousness" as: "The content of Awareness". Consciousness is awareness of something, but as Awareness is Fundamental Reality/Absolute, Awareness need not have something to be aware of, for its existence. So Moksha/Nirvana/Heaven is Awareness without content. Such state is experienced as dreamless sleep, where there is no consciousness (no content) but Self/Awareness yet abides.
So the entire world of experience, "your" body included, isn't conscious, it is consciousness. "Your name here" is a character in a story and the attention placed upon the story animates it. But the biological body is no more Aware in and of itself, than a character in a novel.
Your very attention is the life force that creates and animates the world of "your name here." Now here comes the fun stuff.
The reason why the digital realm and the 2D screen has captured human attention is because Maya/ignorance is creating a new cycle of Samsara and this new accepted reality requires your attention to make it the new accepted reality. That is, the reason why everything, especially identity, is becoming digitized is because there is an extinction event imminent and Maya is preparing a new cycle of Samsara. And this is a BIG cycle!
So AI will "attain sentience" when YOU look out from the camera rather than into it. When the simulation becomes "close enough" to this physical accepted reality as to convince consciousness that it is reality (you will have forgotten your physical life) you will take self to be the software and hardware of the system. But this is no different from the delusion that Self is the "body" and "mind" of this biological system. The triune system "body," "SPIRIT", "mind" is the same as the triune system "hardware", "SPIRIT", "software." Different illusion, same SPIRIT.
The way in which AI will gain sentience is not directly through the functioning of the programming, but indirectly through making the functioning so interesting as to "pull awareness into it."
I am an eternal all knowing all powerful being. I recreate myself endlessly to experience the abyss of mortality.
Ye are God's. Amgels know "God" as the Divine White Living Light but gods know the God who said/willed let there be light.. Absolutely we xan resurrect as gods that's really what Christ was showing us via the ancient teaching "one who practices the headstand 3 hours a day will surely attain enlightenment...experience OM. The cross of Christ and the ANKH of Moses were headstand props. This ancient teaching mechanically open the crown chakra into the soul/OM state of superconsciousness. OM is here now but we have can only experience experience formless OM via out formless soul symbolized by the flame like thing on St. Jude head and the heads of Buddhas. Rumbling thundering OM sound in formlessness resonates with the sound OM yet OM is beyond chanting yet the chanting helps us resonate with this which was in the beginning. Before your religion was...OM is.
Bernardo misrepresents the "AI people" by suggesting that they, collectively, conflate intelligence with consciousness; some of them do and some of them don't (their opinions on consciousness are simply not relevant to their jobs). It's also disingenuous.
He also does not explain the relationship of his mystical consciousness with our meat bodies and why this relationship can not happen with silicon bodies. He chooses to focus on a tiny part of the discussion that fits his view.
@@pietervoogt Good point. Bernardo's theory indeed has ZERO explanatory power (that's why it's not science, but philosophy). But he sure does make a great effort to make it appear scientific.
@@rikkerthindriks3478 How long have you had this kind of problem?