When we die and the meaning of life | dr. Bernardo Kastrup

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  • Опубликовано: 24 дек 2024

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  • @thinkology7174
    @thinkology7174 11 месяцев назад +7

    WHAT a contribution, Brilliant, love this insight! Not for nothing...

  • @charlesodonnell2993
    @charlesodonnell2993 2 года назад +18

    This is like listening to a modern day John Scotus Eriugena. Worth every minute!

    • @vecumex9466
      @vecumex9466 2 года назад +4

      @@bayreuth79 In several of his videos Bernardo argues about how meaningless it is to engage in the differences among the archetypal religious symbolism and philosophical thoughts. The reason why perhaps at times he sounds like John Scotus Eriugena is because according to Bernardo we as human beings are the maps that were given to us by our ancestors before we were able to conceptualize narratives that create, influence, shape experiences and thoughts. And here I quote Bernardo.." When I feel strong or weak for that matter I will rush to grab a rosary and pray. "When I (Bernardo) feel devotional I will speak or serve nature in the Christian language." end of quote. This is not an argument that legitimizes Christianity over any other religious tradition rather to emphasize that we in the west have inherited a worldview, a lens, a story in which we have not arrived by a process of conceptualization. It is the root of our beings, it is that which permeates and flows through our bodies, it is who we are. It is our inheritance not something we learned via process of logic, reasoning, rationality. All that stays circling inside your brain but cannot penetrate the deepest essence of your being. I'm paraphrasing but these quotes represent Bernardo's contextual statements.

    • @evazautra8766
      @evazautra8766 Год назад

      @@vecumex9466lol

    • @costablanca2832
      @costablanca2832 11 месяцев назад

      ​@vecumex9466 A Christian you become through the birth of the Spirit of God. A birth "from a high", cf. Joh. 3. Not through your ancestors, not through archetypes, not through reasoning etc. but through the Spirit of God. God is Spirit, a verse the philosopher Schelling liked a lot btw.

    • @charlesodonnell2993
      @charlesodonnell2993 11 месяцев назад

      Both Eriugena and Kastrup understand apophasis and cataphasis.

  • @siriusfun
    @siriusfun 2 года назад +21

    This was a most welcome addition to my subscription feed today. Many thanks to Bernardo and Keytoe.
    Bernardo, I'd love to hear you and Sam Harris debate these things, and I imagine many other viewers would, as well. Can someone make that happen? Cheers!

  • @SuperStargazer666
    @SuperStargazer666 Месяц назад +1

    The parallel between waking from a dream and death is incredible.
    Will deathly be like working for a dream? It’s an amazing thought.

  • @jasonporteous9722
    @jasonporteous9722 3 месяца назад +1

    Thank you Bernardo for taking the time to open up the minds of the masses.

  • @CHR15333
    @CHR15333 Год назад +4

    Analytic idealism is a fascinating philosophy/theory which reminds me greatly of pratyabhijñā ("re-cognition", an idealistic monistic theistic philosophy in Kashmir Shaivism - a Hindu tantric tradition).
    They however go one step further in pratyabhijñā, suggesting that core subjectivity (Śiva) is in fact not identical to Nature / the universe (Śakti), but beyond even Her/it. So not physical, bound by spacetime, energy, matter, and laws of physics, but "meta-physical".
    In the example of the dissociated dreamer that re-associates themselves upon awakening, there still is, throughout both phases, the silent presence of pure consciousness that is witnessing the whole thing. First as the dissociated dreamer, then as the re-associated whole person. This pure consciousness is the real core subject (Śiva), not only present in that singular perspective but in every perspective in existence across all of space and time. This would include the perspectives of the other dissociated characters of the dream world, the perspective of the dream world itself, that of the awakened person, the perspectives of every other person ever and their dream self, non-selves, and dream world, of other animals, of plants, rocks, water... and finally the perspective of Nature Herself / the universe itself (Śakti). All but perhaps absolutely nothing, no-perspective, non-experience, which may be the "blindspot" of pure consciousness due to it being its essence (which should actually be non-existent, therefore the "perhaps", the "may be"). The possible blindspot that - much like a blackhole - may or may not suggest the existence of something beyond it. Thus may there after all be something emerging from (absolutely) nothing.
    What's also fascinating is that a similar ancient idealistic monistic theistic philosophy can be found in the West in Neoplatonism and Jewish Kabbalah. Respectively, they call the core subject / pure consciousness / Śiva "the One" and "Kether", the pure mind that directly emerge from it "nous" and "Chokhma", and Nature / the universe / Śakti "world-soul"/"Binah".

  • @hydrorix1
    @hydrorix1 Год назад +2

    If we are generating our dream space, imagine how much more Universal Consciousness is capable of in creating our waking life.

  • @oriskany5966
    @oriskany5966 2 года назад +6

    Bernardo Kastrup I've read all your books and I follow your postings on your website. I really enjoy your work, an it's fun to see Essentia take shape. These videos are perfect bite size segments for the audience to get an introduction to this material. Good initiative.

  • @donnied6151
    @donnied6151 24 дня назад

    I for one have never mourned the "death" of my dream avatar. I have never seperated my dream experience from my own experience. Its a part of me as much as waking hours in terms of life experience. My dream me is me as far as I am concerned.

  • @greensleeves7165
    @greensleeves7165 2 года назад +8

    There cannot be a meaning relevant to "you" if "life is not about you". This phrase, life is not about you, is just another enigma variation on materialism. In other words, there is an other-force, call it nature or mind at large, that does not have your interests at heart. If it has interests of its own that are not yours, then there cannot be meaning.
    There can only be meaning if private meaning is a subset of this mind-at-large meaning, which is possible, but not what Kastrup articulates.

  • @DistortedEmpath
    @DistortedEmpath 6 месяцев назад +1

    In islam Allah say we day every night. I love your understanding of dream avatars

  • @martatessi
    @martatessi 21 день назад

    When I dream that I fly, I do experience mourning when I wake up and, still, at various times of the day, I remember with nostalgia that it was a dream. I think my life is very nice, maybe I feel nostalgic when I wake up

  • @SassButtersworth
    @SassButtersworth 2 года назад +5

    Bernardo, I love your work, and your theory. I have a question, though. You have argued that consciousness does not depend on matter, or bodies or brains, by, in part, reciting numerous studies that show cognition and consciousness are not always correlated to brain neuro-activity. So consciousness/cognition doesn’t need a brain, right? Brains are just what show up on our dashboards, within consciousness.
    So why, then, do you posit that META-cognition is dependent on brains, specifically human brains, or, possibly some other biologically evolutionary object?
    Is it because you don’t accept any of the other existing evidence of dis-embodied meta-cognitive consciousness?
    But even if you don’t take those data seriously, if you just look at the logic of what we know about consciousness, about mind… we know that mind is inexhaustibly imaginative. Why would mind only evolve or only meta-cognate within one particular dashboard? Mind is by its nature limitless. And if all there is is mind, without the constraints of time and space to govern reality, then there are no limits, presumably. I can imagine endless possibilities of worlds and ways to think, and I don’t even have aware access to the full mind of reality!
    I’m just not sure why you cling to biology, a category of objects on our dashboard within consciousness, when it comes to the possibilities of meta consciousness? Why would the pilot’s dashboard set the limits on the sky?

    • @aisthpaoitht
      @aisthpaoitht Год назад +1

      God (the universal consciousness) wanted to experience itself. But to do that you need three things: subject, object, and a medium. So God thought of the idea of life. Life is localized consciousness that is able to interact with other localized consciousness. But God went one step further and created the idea of a being that is aware that it is aware. Life is essentially consciousness continually resonating with itself. The medium is the universe we inhabit (it exists as an idea; we each project a material representation).
      When our body dies we will be subsumed back into the universal consciousness, but the idea of your prior body doesn't just disappear. It also exists in the universal consciousness. You will have access to "your" old thoughts and feelings, as well as every other thought and feeling in existence. Humanity is continually adding to this universal consciousness through the creation of life.

    • @marcgiardina4043
      @marcgiardina4043 Месяц назад

      I see the brain like a TV set, it allows consciousness which we will say is the electictricity funneled into the TV set which then allows for the TV set to express the consciousness.A rather simple example, but the best I can provide at the moment.

  • @SidePocket008
    @SidePocket008 Год назад +2

    It's the body that dies, There is no entity in the body to die. This is way nothing arose to you before the birth of the body and why nothing will arise to you after the body dies. Consciousness and awareness come and go and it's the absent of conscious awareness with a capital "A" that fades away into the Absolute. Pure stillness/eternal bliss for no one.

    • @gregwood7575
      @gregwood7575 10 месяцев назад +1

      Nothing in science supports this notion.

  • @leandrosilvagoncalves1939
    @leandrosilvagoncalves1939 2 года назад +5

    Obrigado!

  • @glenhuman3681
    @glenhuman3681 2 года назад

    Thanks for your experience of wisdom and sharing it!

  • @nowhereman9463
    @nowhereman9463 11 месяцев назад +1

    Tell it like it is Doc! Thanx.

  • @chrisallard1819
    @chrisallard1819 Год назад +1

    Magnificent thank you

  • @costablanca2832
    @costablanca2832 11 месяцев назад +1

    In the beginning was Logos (word, knowledge, wisdom, consciousness, meaning et alii); cf. Joh. 1, 1ff. Thank you & blessings 🙌

    • @discordlexia2429
      @discordlexia2429 2 месяца назад

      There is no primacy to words. Words are what I dedicated my life to. They are mere labels. Words are insufficient. The truest poetry is the sound of music, or of silence.

    • @costablanca2832
      @costablanca2832 2 месяца назад

      @discordlexia2429 WORD includes music etc. Is a reflection of Logos. Logos (word) in the understanding of the NT or as well new Platonism is a metaphysical entity, to say so.

  • @reydg432
    @reydg432 Год назад +2

    In my sleep I delve into another reality, even though its physics is unstable. Whilst in my death, I don't know. But what I'm sure of is we are a fraction of the vast amount of mental reality. And perhaps in death we transmute our energy back to what we were originally. Perhaps, the origin that managed to create and co-create everything that we see, within and without the human spectrum.

  • @moomoocamus2
    @moomoocamus2 Год назад +1

    “Why should I fear death?
    If I am, then death is not.
    If Death is, then I am not...." Epicurus (341-270 B.C.E.)

    • @discordlexia2429
      @discordlexia2429 2 месяца назад +1

      I have never understood that. Never. It has always come from a place so foreign to me that I can't even begin to comprehend it.
      The idea that we will experience death and continue... It's beautiful. It's fearful? Not nearly so fearful as the idea of it all simply stopping. How could you ever come to terms with that? It is the brick through the window of hope that shatters everything. But if we are just a dream, then it doesn't matter, not because nothing matters, but because EVERYTHING matters. And we are it. And all that's left is to play, and learn, and grow.

  • @tjssailor4473
    @tjssailor4473 2 года назад +10

    Bernardo ignores millions of data points that can enlighten as far as death is concerned. Which body is more dead, one on psychedelics or one bleeding out on the pavement after an accident? When consciousness returns from such an NDE it nearly always reports an experience of incredible Love and cognition that is more clear and comprehensive then it is when the body is considered alive.
    I find integrating the information from these data points with the analytic approach to be most useful.

    • @4991544
      @4991544 Год назад +1

      He's not ignoring data. He is referring specifically to experiencing the fragmentation of the ego. I have not had a NDE, but from the little I've seen on them, most bypass the frightening ego breakdown and go straight to what is beyond the ego. Still, I think there are also reports of frightening NDEs. He is only speaking of a specific aspect of a process.

    • @Shadowdaddy87
      @Shadowdaddy87 Год назад

      This is absolutely not an exhaustive extrapolation on his data points. He talks about that in other videos

    • @injuryandinsult
      @injuryandinsult Год назад

      What about people who make bad trips on psychedelics then? Is it always incredible experiences of love? I'm not sure about that... this idea makes me very scared. I know that most people on DMT experience incredibly beautiful things and gain a deeper understanding of life, just like he says realizing that here was "only a dream", but what if you get stuck somewhere that you don't want to be? 😢

  • @miniarms8872
    @miniarms8872 2 года назад +3

    Hopefully someone will kindly address this for me: I saw another video with a discussion between Bernardo and Rupert Spira, which gave me the impression that once we die our mental state will be one of awareness, but with no actual experiences. This sounds like the ultimate psychological torture to me!! Imaging being aware but there being nothing to be aware of! I've been hearing for years from Rupert that what lies beyond is peace, love and happiness. How can that be, if there is no experiences to be had at all? Thanks in advance for any replies :)

    • @miniarms8872
      @miniarms8872 2 года назад +1

      P.S. I'm starting to wonder if dissociation in mind at large is the result of trauma. Sweet relief from the hell of nothingness! It's back to being afraid of death again for me :(

    • @FraterOculus
      @FraterOculus 2 года назад +2

      ​@@miniarms8872 From my own experiences, I think you're free from the bounds of perceiving time, so you don't have to feel boredom, also there isn't any individual that stuff is happening to, so you're free from suffering. When you put those two together, it's quite relieving.

    • @miniarms8872
      @miniarms8872 2 года назад

      @@FraterOculus Thanks, Steve :)

    • @ilianamarisolromero7816
      @ilianamarisolromero7816 Год назад +2

      @@miniarms8872 from what i understand, I mean, with Bernardo's scientific background and how he verbalizes it and a little delving into eastern beliefs, our collective trauma is feeling separated from our source but of course this is at a subconscious level. All we are doing here in this metadream is, finding our way back to source, and it seems that here on earth with our thinking... that is to feel completed with everything and everybody that we interact with here. Of course that we're always finding it difficult to get integrated or completed with everything and everyone... don't you think? I mean, do you really feel that you love everything and everyone..? No, right? So there lies why we suffer

    • @miniarms8872
      @miniarms8872 Год назад +3

      @@ilianamarisolromero7816 Thank you. I guess you're right. My (healthy and active) 80 year-old mother tells me she doesn't want to keep living for much longer. It's really tough to hear, and I find myself trying to convince her that there's plenty in life left for her to enjoy, but she says she can think of "nothing worse than living for another decade". She's as far as you can get from spiritual, and analytic idealism would fly right over her head, but maybe when it's time it's time and she senses source calling her home.

  • @PremKumarKarunakaran
    @PremKumarKarunakaran Год назад +1

    Generally, when we wake up, we might remember a dream or two. If death is the end of disassociation, will the entity after death, remembers every living being that was dead before. Considering there is only one undisassociated mind. Any thoughts on this ?

  • @MichaelJones-ek3vx
    @MichaelJones-ek3vx 8 месяцев назад +1

    When we die, you are associative memories and feelings remain associated?

    • @MichaelJones-ek3vx
      @MichaelJones-ek3vx 8 месяцев назад +1

      Do semantically related structures of thoughts bunch together like synchronistic events? It be like nonpolar compound in water?

  • @JamesBS
    @JamesBS Год назад +2

    Regarding death, what he says is in contrast to the peace and love reported by NDEs.

  • @RighteousMonk-m1m
    @RighteousMonk-m1m Год назад

    Just Awesome 👌

  • @ChristianSt97
    @ChristianSt97 2 года назад +2

    thank you

  • @mitchagoodguysuccessstoyqu5201

    Dying is terrifying and frightening but in what context? witnessing it happening to me (to my ego) moment by moment through the whole process of dying; say like witnessing moment by moment a first time rollercoaster horrible experience (probably worse in case of death) but still which context is worse; witnessing it (the way as we now imagine it will occur) or to die in a split of second like in an explosion?

  • @mariaband9870
    @mariaband9870 Год назад +2

    The meaning of life is life itself

  • @branandubh
    @branandubh 9 месяцев назад

    I don't think the scythe is for harvesting but for mowing.

  • @discordlexia2429
    @discordlexia2429 2 месяца назад

    I truly don't understand how physicalism "Removes the fear of death"... I wasn't scared to die until I was a physicalist. I might go to Hell? Well, I might well learn to like hell. I might get used to it. But nothing, forever? That's too terrible to contemplate.
    I have never understood the idea that eternal nothing, the end of subjectivity forever, is better than suffering. Suffering is beautiful! So is joy! Love and sadness are intrinsically linked. So they are both beautiful! A vindictive God cursed me to push a boulder up a hill? Then, I will enjoy pushing a boulder up a hill! But no experience? That's... Too horrible.

  • @arnoldfrenay5500
    @arnoldfrenay5500 5 месяцев назад

    Hell and heaven are not 'instruments' to dominate a civilication, it means that what we care with us, caused by our actions. We have a concience.

  • @kingmob2124
    @kingmob2124 2 года назад

    Alguém pode me explicar o que é, afinal, essa mente cósmica? Seria a mente de um ser q realmente existe e nos estamos dentro dele?
    Eu nao entendi essa parte. Ok, somos fragmentos dentro duma mente. Mas de quem é essa mente??

    • @Mumukshatvam
      @Mumukshatvam Год назад

      It is only subjective existence. There is no being but the beingness itself so to speak.

  • @aisthpaoitht
    @aisthpaoitht Год назад

    My thought on the subject is that only ideas exist. We exist as ideas in the mind of God (universal consciousness). For instance, my body (including my brain) exist as ideas. The material representation of them is just that, a representation of what it is like to be a human body/brain. However, we are not our brains. To put it another way, we are not the state of being of a brain. The brain feels pain, hunger, sounds, sights, taste, etc. It has its own state of being - direct awareness of experience. But we are not that direct experience; otherwise we wouldn't know that we exist. We are the meta-awareness. We are the awareness of the awareness. This means that when the body/brain dies, so does the state of being of the brain. But we will continue to exist detached from a body/brain. We will no longer experience the experience of a brain. But being detached from one localization of consciousness means that we are therefore subsumed back into the universal consciousness, which is the entirety of feelings and thoughts to ever exist. So yes the idea of our body/brain will die, and with it the state of being of the brain, but we are unique in that we exist as pure meta-awareness, which will continue on. Our knowledge of our old self will actually continue on in the universal consciousness too, because all ideas are contained in the universal consciousness.

  • @m.guedes
    @m.guedes 2 месяца назад

    "My core subjective will survive". How can we make such an affirmation without any way to attest to it? My atoms will survive. Some of my cells will survive. My microbiome will survive. But those individual elements aren't me. Is there something beyond faith that sustains such affirmation?

    • @Zayden.
      @Zayden. 24 дня назад

      No, there's nothing but faith and magical thinking

  • @moomoocamus2
    @moomoocamus2 Год назад

    The mind of nature learns from our suffering? That's pretty cold comfort for those who experience in this life brutality, violence, disease, deprivation, etc. It may be grist for the universal "mind" but its regrettable for the experiencer, the human subject. This suffering-for-the-greater-(humanly unfathomable)-good sounds like warmed over Christianity. Or the Wizard of Oz.This sounds like a rationalization for suffering. See Monty Python's "Always Look on the Bright Side of Life" in Life of Brian.

    • @discordlexia2429
      @discordlexia2429 2 месяца назад

      Suffering is beautiful. I fear it, but I love it. My blood is a gorgeous red. My tears stain paper a sweet grey. Sometimes I carve myself just to watch the red trickle down. Red is a pretty colour. So is the blue of sky and the green of grass and the pink of a delicate rose.
      Suffering is beautiful. Love is marked by an equal and opposite sadness. Love and sadness are both beauty.
      I fear suffering, but at the same time, I do not. I flinch before I make the cut. I tremble. But it is always the same sweet shade of red.
      I have suffered in life, enough that most people find me quite mad. My mind is shattered in a fun and interesting way, some say, or others call me a creep. But suffering is beautiful. Tragedy is sweet. And to the universe, suffering and bliss are both ripples. Beautiful.

  • @magiccarpetmusic2449
    @magiccarpetmusic2449 Год назад

    Really brilliant and truly insightful

  • @edlabonte7773
    @edlabonte7773 2 года назад +6

    I see a contradiction in your model of meaning. Certainly meaning is only relevant to beings who are metacognitive. We spend our lives accumulating experiences and when we die these living experiences become part of nature. Nonmetacognitive nature. Our metacognition dies with us because, as you said only life can be metacognitive. I don’t see how your idealist model is any more sanguine than materialism.

    • @vecumex9466
      @vecumex9466 2 года назад +2

      Metacognition while consciousness experiences the state of disassociation now back to universal consciousness. What do you do with the experiences? Put them in a bottle and throw them where? Not a good theory, everything needs to be integrated. There is no contradiction experiences are just release into the broader universal consciousness.

    • @edlabonte7773
      @edlabonte7773 2 года назад +2

      @@vecumex9466 This “broader universal consciousness “ is, according to Bernardo, not metacognitive. Which means that it can experience things but can’t analyze them. Without metacognition there is no meaning. The meaning of your experiences will be lost at death when you lose your ability to metacognize. Analytic idealism might be a better description of reality but it doesn’t replace religious belief, dare I say it, God.

    • @vecumex9466
      @vecumex9466 2 года назад

      @@edlabonte7773 Not interested in a philosophical explanation that needs to replace religious propositions that I cannot explain coherently and with some degree of continuity. For now analytic idealism does question the assumptions of hard materialism, physicalist propositions. It is merely an attempt to explain that our subjective perceptions are limited in what we can observe-define. Like Bernardo says we are not looking at reality through a glass mirror rather a dashboard like the pilot flies the plane. The goal is not to replace God or argue in favor of it (I personally am not obsessed with any of that) but to acknowledge that you, I and every human being have been on this planet perhaps 30-40K years. What makes you think that our primitive brains can capture the immensity of reality, God however some attempt to label it? Even more important human languages and any other form of communication are at best tools with enormous limitations. So for now we should take what is been given with a grain of salt and reserve the right to make assumptions that often lead to illusive degrees of certainty.

    • @edlabonte7773
      @edlabonte7773 2 года назад

      @@vecumex9466 in this video that I was commenting on, Bernardo made the claim that nothing other than life is metacognitive. So God in that universe is not metacognitive. I doubt if that is consistent with many theistic religions. BTW, before you start making claims about the goals of analytic idealism you should maybe see if your goals and Bernardo’s are the same.

    • @vecumex9466
      @vecumex9466 2 года назад

      @@edlabonte7773 Who is making claims about the goals of analytic idealism. Read my comment again as there is no reference of such especifically attributed to AI. Let's try to stay in the subject to avoid making comments out context. Bernardo's AI proposition makes the claim the particles do not have stand alone propetties. Now idealists do not need to prove anything bwcause the burden of proof is in the defenders od materialist- hard physicalism. But so far they have been quite open in stating that tbet have found no evidence whatsoever. That is the first step in developing a theory in AI.

  • @alriktyrving5051
    @alriktyrving5051 Месяц назад

    So if death is like a frightfull psychadelic trip from whence there is no return, that would be like Hell. Except that it would await everyone, not just the wicked. No amoungt of meaning could ever compensate for the realization of such a dreadful fate.

  • @goldennuggets75
    @goldennuggets75 3 месяца назад

    Materialism is over. The end of the zeitgeist.

  • @charliepan4055
    @charliepan4055 Год назад +2

    I find your narrative about death a bit fear inducing. If the ego doesnt resist there doesnt have to be fear. And when the ego is gone great bliss is reported.

  • @nerian777
    @nerian777 3 месяца назад

    The problem with believing in an immortal soul is that I'm much more tempted to end my life 😂

  • @michaeljvdh
    @michaeljvdh 15 дней назад

    You don't know that. Unequivocally.

    • @AlienProbe73
      @AlienProbe73 2 часа назад

      And you don’t know that he doesn’t know that

  • @ekekonoise
    @ekekonoise 3 месяца назад +1

    All this talking about life having a meaning goes down the drain when Kastrup supports determinism. If everything's already accounted for, and couldn't ever have been anyway different, if there's no free will, choice and an open future then there's no possible meaning. It's a movie with a known end. It's meaningless. If you want meaning, then you have to accept free will.

  • @jlmadd
    @jlmadd Год назад

    Life is meaningless

    • @jasonporteous9722
      @jasonporteous9722 3 месяца назад

      That’s a shame you feel like that x

    • @discordlexia2429
      @discordlexia2429 2 месяца назад

      What about this? Life is full of so much meaning that nothing matters, because everything matters, and so it's all equally wonderful?