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- Опубликовано: 2 окт 2024
- Movies with Mikey returns with a fresh look at the Die Hard franchise via a deep dive (no, not that kind) into the original--an action-packed Christmas movie for all seasons.
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Every time someone talks about people being hollowed out by sequels, I just wave towards "Last Action Hero" which predicted this decades ago.
Amazing video! Me and my Mom (who has seen every Die Hard movie in theaters) loved it.
Last Action Hero is a film of its time, after its time and before its time all at once. Made now, it would rake it in.
Mikey, this was a tremendous episode!
Your points about sequels stagnating a character's growth are bang on. It's hard watching a character you love essentially relive their first outing ad infinitum and never get to experience the normalcy they fight so hard for. The marriage falls apart, the loved one dies, the hero spirals into depression, etc. Sometimes it works, but for the most part I find the wishing for a sequel to be sweeter than actually getting one.
I have a tiny fragment of hope, based solely on an actor grabbing more control over his character's direction and a short teaser, that Thor: Love and Thunder miiiiiiiight break this mold
It's not just movie sequels, either - it is an issue that plagues many TV shows, especially stuff like superhero shows (looking at you, Flash). As you mention, there are ways that can work (it is somewhat realistic for people to slip back into past problems even after learning not to), but far too often it's done poorly because that undoing of the change is only there to ensure it's the "character we know and love".
@@jasonhunter2819 it's also directed by Taita Waititi, who has so far proven to be brilliant and generally willing to move characters forward. I have high hopes.
Watching this, knowing how Bruce Willis winds up in life, gives me the most melancholic feelings about Die Hard and how the character of John McClane never truly develops throughout the series as a character. It's both sad and comforting at the same time, to know that McClane - unfortunately unlike Willis - will never change.
Bruce Willis and his family, I feel, should take at least some solace in that.
'come out to the coast, we'll get together, have a few laughs."
I go to this quote more often than 'yipee-kai-yay'.
I feel like every time I’m at a low point in my life, Mikey comes out with a video and whether it’s one of the really heart rendering ones or just a cheese fest about a movie he loves I always identify with it.
Thanks Mikey.
As a 90s baby, I grew up with Die Hard and I absolutely love it but I want to talk about the most groundbreaking, earth-shattering thing about the whole thing for me: Theo, the tech guy.
I'm a Black nerd who was surrounded by other Black nerds and in the 90s, all we had was Dwayne Wayne and Urkel, neither of whom I really connected with (Especially as a cis-woman). Theo was the first time I saw a Black Nerd and just LOVED him. Theo isn't the punching bag or pathetic or an outsider among Hans' crew. He's just the best?? Like, Theo is cool and he doesn't feel like a mindless henchman. He talks back to Hans and they quip together. He's amazing!!! That's the thing I'm most thankful to Die Hard.
And also, completely against type, gets out alive. The black bad guy... survives. I wonder how much the film makers had to fight to keep that
@@danielforinton7629 well...it's the black good guy that has the trope of dying first. The black bad guy is the image black people got tired of. not that we wanted less of it..just more of the black good guy to balance it out
yes! I love him everytime I watch it again!
@@agonleed3841 And you got Argyle, who also takes down Theo, and you got the total heart of the movie, mammafreakin' AL!
I never realized how big a role black people play in this movie till now. Thanks, that's really cool!
And the quarterback is TOOOAST.
Ok, so, y'know Discworld, right?
I was trying to explain to my friends how weird it is to finish the book, _The Light Fantastic,_ and move onto the other Rincewind books.
Honest-to-God, The EXACT metaphor I used was:
"Imagine if _It's a Wonderful Life_ got a bunch of sequels where George's life just gets worse and worse"
15:10
Discworld fans in a Die Hard vid? I am in the right place.
The funny thing about the "what if George Bailey never found redemption" thing is that it basically mirrors many of James Stewart's later darker characters. Most of them have a backstory that boils down to "former idealist got screwed and became hard-edged." If George Bailey hadn't been redeemed, he'd have turned into a Stewart western antihero.
(Also, 9:15 is my favorite argument for why Die Hard is a Christmas movie: it has a Christmas miracle.)
I was literally just rewatching this playlist for the 348th time
You and me both.
What playlist?
Supersamstuff???
...you have finally convinced me Die Hard is a Christmas movie. Dang it, Mikey. Well played ;-}
thats an LA badge. They technically had him somehow lateral transfer from NYPD to LAPD for the second movie (which is famously common in LAPD because they are unusually accepting of older lateral transfers) but retconned it or something so he could be back in New York for the third one.
The day is always better when there's a new Movies with Mikey to watch.
True story about Die Hard 5. I'm a cinema manager. I was talking to one of the marketing representatives for Fox who was trying to persuade me to spend time organising competitions and such to push Die Hard 5 on release. I explained to her that I was a HUGE fan of Die Hard and was concerned that Die Hard 5 would be really bad. The Fox rep reassured me and said "You don't need to worry, it's great."
Reader: She lied.
Die Hard 5 is AWFUL.
Great episode Mikey.
Movies with Mikey + Friday night + Die Hard = yippee ki yay!
I always had the feeling that each successive Die Hard sequel started life as an unrelated action movie script that just had the protaganist's name filed off and replaced with John McLain and then the minimum amount of connective tissue was added afterwards.
God, Alan Rickman was the most incredible thing ever in Die Hard. He might have been the best part of the Harry Potter movies too.
He was definitely the best part of Costner's Robin Hood.
@@jaciem "Because it's DULL you fool, it'll hurt more!"
I'm 99% certain that Alan Rickman is THE reason to watch those films.
@@theflickchick9850 The kids do get a lot better over the years but I agree. He’s really fun as Snape
Rickman is the reason I have a tough time with the Die Hard sequels, all of em. He's an impossible act to follow and all of the villains that came afterwards, even Jeremy Irons, didn't come close to Rickman's sublime characterization of Hans Gruber.
"Our collective arrested development ensures that our favourite characters will never grow up and never fix it." Jesus Mikey, that's bleak. And real.
I loved _Die Hard III_ about as much as the first - because Samuel L. Jackson, of course.
In fact, I've loved every movie I've ever seen that Bruce Willis and Samuel L. Jackson are both in, including where they share zero screen time together ( _Pulp Fiction_ ).
I was sad that Mikey didn't find anything worth talking about, about it. Basically stopping with _II_ which was just _bad._
II is exciting and fun
DH 1,3,&4 are my trilogy.
I pretend 2 & 5 don't exist
People dislike the second one? Really?
Don’t forget Jeremy Irons as the ultimate in smooth accented baddies…
Did I watch Die Hard for the first time yesterday so I could watch this? Yes.
I've been screaming for them to hand the Die Hard reins over to Mary Elizabeth Winstead for about... 12 years now?
Mikey, bravo again sir.
Your love of the movie art is contagious and makes the deep dives oh so riveting.
I have never given “Pacing“ in a movie much thought, but once you pointed this out for Die Hard I rewatched it again to confirm. You were absolutely right. This becomes more apparent once you compare it to the others who don’t have the same pacing. In fact every move done in the first movie seems to have been executed to perfection. It’s for this reason why I think the first one is the best in the series.
Still best intro music of all time
Don't you wish Alan Rickman could have lived to play MCU Dr Doom!?
Yo Mikey!
Thanks for putting out another banger, really enjoyed this, keep up the good work :)
Man, I still get a little kick in my chest every time I watch through the credits, expecting to see Andrew Hackard's name there, then remember he's gone.
One day there needs to ba a movies with mikey about the ART that is movies with mikey. The edit in this one perticular outshines the glorious editing of the episodes before.
I wish for this series to never ever end. But one day it will. And I already morn, while I glee watching this.
Needed this today thank you Mikey and co 🥰
Imagine a version of Die Hard where it's New Years Day. You'd have to change a few lines and re-dress the set, but it would still be a kick ass movie. If you can take Christmas out without breaking the movie, it's not a Christmas movie.
It's not Christmas until Hanz Gruber falls off the Nakatomi building.
Even as a big fan of Die Hard, I learned many interesting things. Thank you Mikey! I hope everything is going well with the new place!
Speaking of Shane Black, here’s a question I don’t see brought up enough: is Iron Man 3 a Christmas movie?
Spoilers, it is.
The dancing at the end reminded me of superbad
This is just amazing
I expect to watch it every six months just as I do with Die Hard
Bless Dan Olsen. 10/10 meme-ing here.
I got legitimately excited that this got uploaded on my birthday.
What a damn gift. Thank you
Belated happy birthday!
I wish bruce would retire with one final die hard movie. Could title it
(OLD HABITS DIE HARD)
and he just makes a Cameo saying, "yippy kaye mf" and that's it. the beginning his his retirement and you literally don't see him in the movie ever again lmao
When they bring in Lucy as the protagonist, they should call it "Die Hard Lucid"
But DYK: 'Arrested Development' was a band back in the early 90's...
Alan Rickman 4 LIFE!
I wrote my dissertation about how Holly gave up her independence as a working woman to conform to the 'loving wife'. She went from a high ranking professional that uses her Maiden name... to reverting back to her gushing wife McClaine. This is encapsulated perfectly when Bruce (john) unclips her watch (given to her for her hardwork) to strip her of everything that celebrates her independence. (I had another load of points...but I wrote it like 15 years ago now)
Oh, that's an interesting way of thinking of it! Thanks for sharing
Oooh that's brilliant
McTiernan and on-set writers figuring out how to solve narrative and tone problems made two of the great movies of the 80's. I mean... if there's a formula we should exploit, isn't it THAT? Start with 3/4s of a script, let McTiernan direct for 8 weeks, and then throw Shane Black on set for another month of shooting and reshoots. I bet we could get two more classics, minimum! Step 3: PROFIT.
I was maybe sixteen when I realized that Die Hard 2 is literally Die Hard 1 with the serial numbers filed off. There is one singular change: the blue blanks and the red reals. Everything else is the same movie but, you know, that thing they did already. I still like the first two, thought the third was alright, and didn't mind the fourth one, but the fifth one was painful to watch and I wish they hadn't bothered.
I wish that the 4th movie had been about John McClane. Maybe him and his daughter getting together for Christmas more of a character movie that showed us the characters happy ending.
As it is John McClane is too much like Slater in the Arnold Schwarzenegger Last Action Hero.
Die Hard 3 is nearly as good as the first.
Holy shit I watched this video while high after a root canal and literally thought for the last three months that I dreamed a Die Hard video essay
Great video! I love Die Hard, it's a blast of a movie, but I really appreciate you acknowledging how much of a bad taste Powell's character arc leaves in the mouth in hindsight. Reginald VelJohnson did a great job playing him and deserved better than that, imo
Please make a Lucy McClane movie with Mary Elizabeth Winstead. Where she avenges the (off-screen) death of her father and rescues her brother and his family, while at the same time trying not to go down the same self-destructive path her father went down.
wait... wait... wait... made less than CDDII... mind blown.
So the fifth die hard has just come out for rent it's a Tuesday of course, I go to my local movie rental place, and instead of the new hotness that just came out that day (which to this day I have never seen) I rented die hard one and took it over to my parents house to watch with them. ( It was my first and only time ever seeing die hard one). It was really good and I think it deserves all of it's hype.
Hell yeah, more Filmjoy, and more Mikey neuman!!!
Han's Goobers!!!! Hilarious!
Another fantastic episode!!
The sad thing for me is that Die Hard 2 had John and Holly happily married again. They were clearly working on it, John had moved to where Holly worked and was supportive of her career. As much as everyone says DHWAV was better, it literally made John a worse person. He went from being a guy who learned a Christmas lesson to an absolute a-hole that didn't deserve anything good. The sequels after that made him slightly better as a person, but not by much.
*Edit:* Also, I find DH2 interesting because the villains are, for once, not "disillusioned leftists" but right-wingers. The main villain is basically Colonel Oliver North.
A Movies with Mikey on Die Hard? It's Christmas in April! :D
Hey I was playing Demeo the other day and joined with a guy that sounded EXACTLY like you. He wouldn’t confirm if it was you but he said I should comment and we talked about how you should do a look into the Lethal Weapon movies. Even if this wasn’t you, you should still looking to those films. I’d love to hear your opinions about that franchise. Great stuff as always!
Oh, you want bad?
Let’s crossover Lucy McClane and John Cale from White House Down (imho the best non Die Hard FIGHT ME), and make it an action RomCom
Actually, I wanna see that now
What I don't get... Bruce Willis was coming off a TV show, not a movie star... but the studio paid him $5 million. One of the highest paid actors for a film at the time??? Joel Silver took a major punt on the unproven film actor
Growing up I watched Live Free or Die Hard all the time and it was the first Die Hard movie I saw. Of course I saw the original some time later and it is my favorite, but I never really thought about what the did to John as a character. To me that was always how it was going to happen because I went in reverse order.
I think about the problems with sequels and how throw their character right back into the same situation over and over all the time (especially in regards to the Terminator franchise), but I never thought about Die Hard like that. Thanks for the video, Mikey!
5:20 EEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Sreven E. DeSouza. CHRIST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! GET IT RIGHT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
ThankYouuuuuuuu
Not to hyperfocus here or anything, but that transition edit at 13:36 tho. DANG Mikey.
A character where you actually SEE the stepping back again during sequels is unfortunately MCUs Thor AFTER Thor 3, where he actually got an engaging character arc:
- Looses eye BUT gets self awareness and likelyness to Odin > gets another eye and falls into depression, completely loosing his growth after the third film.
- Looses hammer AND gets full control over his power > gets an axe and relies completely on it afterwards.
- Looses hair (No! Not my hair!) AND grows as a person and character, solving the problem via developing a plan > grows hair again and avoids all responsibility for his people (as Dad Bod Thor and even after Endgame), becoming a brute again who relies on his bodily strength.
- Looses Asgard as a place AND learns that the people constitute Asgard > looses most of his people to settle on a fisher village called New Asgard.
After Thor 3, his a visually changed man who takes his repsonibility as king for his people seriously.
During Infinity War and Endgame, he´s a flatter character than he was during Thor 1. Except his dad bod, which stands out.
TBF though, spiraling into depression after failing to stop the antagonist that already killed half of his people and watching half of THOSE survivors die as a direct result of that failure (not to mention the whole half of the universe to boot) seems a pretty understandable arc. I've seen this base used as the arguement for the impact of him successfully calling the hammer when he goes back into the past. I thought it a pretty good take on PTSD and i've seen a couple of soldiers express that relatability.
After we see where Thor progressed to we really feel the impact of his depression and root for him all the more in the next fight with Thanos. With the trailer for the next one recently released it looks like we are going to get to see him recover and discover who he is outside of the role of Royalty
Oh this is the best Friday present ever. Thank you Mikey! We've missed you!
Hope things in your life are settling down.
Wait, you didn't get the edited for TV version were they dub him saying, 'yippee ki yay kimosabe!' Damn
Mikey is such a legend.
fuckin' Allen Rickman 🥰 that was a fantastic performance and I loved it. So glad he was scouted from the play. Went on to be incredibly emotionally moving in Harry Potter
Though I'd say the third one was pretty entertaining (when I was a teenager), I think you nailed it. It broke its own trope by not having the main character change.
And mine is the 666th like on this video. Niccccce 😈🐐🗡️
I feel as though I've mostly ever seen character growth from movie sequels in animation. DreamWorks did great in creating new adventures that continue to evolve their characters with Kung Fu Panda and How To Train Your Dragon (and even Shrek, to a lesser extent). The Steven Universe movie, as well as the sequel series Steven Universe Future, are imo excellent examples of continued character growth and world complexity as well. One could say it's because in most of these cases the protagonists are kids growing up, but even comparing them to live action film franchises with child/teen protagonists, the animated stuff is better at creating real, complex growth.
I'm not totally sure why this might be, but I find it fascinating. Weirdly, the one example that comes to mind of live action character growth through sequels are the Marvel movies. So maybe it has to do with creating worlds big enough to hold complexity, with opportunities for both big and small stories?
In some cases you start the character on small problems, working their way up from sequel to sequel to bigger things and chipping away at their insecurities and family problems until they become the confident heroes they were meant to be. Other times starting big, with world-ending stakes; then slowly moving smaller and smaller, where the problems are more and more personal, until the protagonist has had time to reflect on and come to terms with their flaws. This variety gives a screenwriter the chance to give their leads different kinds of problems to tackle, of varying degrees, that test characters on things we haven't seen them go through before.
Not sure why this feels almost exclusive to animation in practice. Could just be what I watch? I honestly hope more live action stuff learns from cartoons.
Die hard die hard 2 and die hard with a vengeance are still the best movies..
After that they're okay.
Saw this already about an hour ago but it was fantastic! #paxeast2022. Great times.
Thanks for a fantastic video!
All hail the Algorithm!
Every time I see a new Mikey video my heart warms up and have to go watch it. Seriously, the vast majority of channels are all about negativity and less on analysis so the fact that your essays are primarily about wholesomeness and analysis, I am here for it
He's back😩🥺
well done
please mikey can you do an MWM on brooklyn 99
This was a great send off for Bruce.
we'd all watch Winstead doing a Hulu series as Lucy , and hey if they can make a REACHER tv series good...just saying
Phil M Joy, you've done it again. Great work.
A couple corrections and additions (yeah, I'm THAT nerd).
Joel Silver didn't see Rickman in London, Rickman was performing in "Les Liaisons Dangereuses" with the RSC on Broadway in NYC (and even nominated for a Tony award), which is where Joel saw him. He referred Rickman to Jackie Burch who had scouted him for a role in "Red Heat" with Schwarzenegger but realized he wasn't right for that movie. They auditioned Rickman for DH in his dressing room by having him doing a cold read of the script on camera and cast him almost immediately but he was very reluctant at first. He didn't want his first film to be an action movie and he was quite hurt when he was passed over for the film of "Dangerous Liaisons". Also, when the Fox executives saw the first dailies of Rickman's performance (his first scenes shot were him cowering in front of Bruce as "Bill Clay") they wanted to REPLACE him! But Joel and McTiernan went to bat for him and told the Fox execs to calm down and trust them.
And McTiernan wasn't the one who instructed that he be dropped before he was ready, that was the stunt coordinator Charlie Picerni (whose son doubled Rickman in the longshot). And that was the first take where Charlie told his assistant to let him go early but Rickman's tie flew up in his face as he fell so they said "Shot's spoiled, let's do it again". Rickman said they did 3 or 4 takes of it and they ended up using that first surprised take anyways. Rickman didn't have a fear of heights (he did have back problems and was afraid that being suspended from the harness for a long period was going to exacerbate his back pains) and the drop was 40 feet. The stunt guys later complimented Rickman for being game for that because even the most seasoned professional stunt people don't like to fall backward and not see where they're landing. It's also dangerous because if you don't spread out your arms and legs as you're falling you'll turn and land on your head. If he didn't want to do it they were going to film a stunt man falling facedown. A close friend of mine is co-writing a book about Bruce Willis's films and I'm a huge Rickman fan (obviously) so I helped with some in-depth research about the first film.
DH2 is a weird film in the franchise because the other sequels don't acknowledge it at all. It's like the timeline depending on your preference is DH1 and DH2 OR DH1 and DH3. And the last 2 are questionable in their own ways.
They made Die Hard sequels? Good April Fool, yeah, nice try.
At 300k subs, this channel is still CRIMINALLY underrated
Got to see "the world premiere" at PAX East. It was a fun panel and episode! Appreciate all the hard work the team puts into make thoughtful and engaging videos!
I still laugh when I remember this censored-for-television version of Die Hard: ruclips.net/video/Mn-P3lnr76s/видео.html
Yep. I'd like to point out that jet fuel has _no vapor pressure_ when it's freezing AND COULD NEVER CATCH FIRE in such a manner. Simply, NEVER.
Why this channel doesn't have 10 million subs I'll never understand. Best movie channel ever. Nothing else gets close.
Entertaining and informative as always, good work.
Also, what's the outro music please?
Han's Goobers? It's prob the 4/20 talking but dang "Han's Goobers" would be a perfect name for a FilmJoy + ethical-mj edible partnership made with a "FilmJoy" specialized strain, bred to heighten film experiences.
With a Vengeance is unironically better. Prove me right.
(Live Free is ALSO very good.)
Most excellent, Mikey. You did an amazing job with this one. Just beautiful.
Ooh! Ooh ooh ohh! Aziz ansari for the reboot! Funny little man known for goofy sitcom character transformed into every man goodbad luck cop! Perfect!
I got a new MwM, a new BobbyBroccoli doc, AND a PhilosophyTube on Transhumanism in the SAME DAY. What luck! Throw in HBomberguy ranting about whatever and a FoldingIdeas deep dive on etcetera and it’d be one for the record books! A good day indeed.
When I'm unhappy a FilmJoy video is the only moment of respite and light in a dark and dreary day. I'm cheerful these days and I discover that still do a happy wriggly dance at my desk chair to see a new FilmJoy video. Thank-you! Thank-you!
The missed opportunity with Die Hard 2 is they tried to make it a Christmas movie instead of a Thanksgiving Day movie. It takes place in an airport. Why not make it about the busiest travel day of the year.
This would have made the franchise about surviving the holidays instead of "John McClain can't die". We could've had a Die Hard every month.
Die Hard 3 would have the tagline "a new year to Die Hard" and complete the End of Year Trilogy.
Die Hard 4 would spawn a new batch of memes comparing Bruce Willis to Bill Pullman every July.
The whole thing would culminate into a two part finale that starts on Mother's Day and ends with Father's Day.
Great video Mikey (correction:John has an LA badge because he's moved out to LA to be with Holly between DH 1 and 2
Tbf, Crocodile Dundee II is a really fun ride. Just take all the heartfelt fish out of water sincerity and replace it with Dundee basically pulling shit on par with Special Forces because ...Australia, I guess? It peaks somewhere around the scene where he talks some tough street kids into helping him storm a drug kingpins mansion & then doing that thing in the most 80s "consequences of our recklessness?? *Pfft* You and your wacky ideas!" kind of way. It was one of my favorite movies growing up, which was why when the late stage sequal Crocodile Dundee III came out I begged my parents to see it... Ever seen an Eddie Murphy kids movie? (its forgettable more than painful -I think, I don't actually remember the plot! but it also may just have not had one?)
13:36 That synchronized head swivel *muah* chef's keeas
RIP Allen you were great actor at playing ash holes like Hans grubber then playing tragic bitter snarky and sly characters like professor Snape.
It’s not a Christmas movie because the movie could have taken place on New Year’s Eve, Valentine’s Day or some time with John having a believable reason to visit his wife in Los Angeles.
The movie barely focuses on Christmas instead on German terrorists that would enjoy the cash on a beach in a other country after a successful heist of vast cash, and John struggling being in an unfamiliar situation.
Christmas Vacation, It’s a Wonderful Life, The Santa Claus, Jingle All The Way and multiple other Christmas movies wouldn’t have a story if it’s not set during the Christmas season.
Thank you, but I now have a mighty need for It's a Wonderful Life 2, where Jimmy Stewart battles terrorists and blows up planes.
I maintain that Die Hard 5 fails because it does not escalate the threat level over the previous installment. Die Hard: building. Die Hard 2: Essentially the airspace above DC. Die Hard With a Vengeance: A whole city. Live Free or Die Hard: A whole country. Die Hard 5 should have threatened the whole world and Die Hard 6 is The Fifth Element.
Honestly, I forgot about the second one and thought the third one with Samuel L Jackson in New York was the next movie in the series.