my take on Oppenheimer (the character) is that he is motivated in turns by personal ambition, duty to the US, and duty to all humanity. an acquaintance suggested that superposition is a tidy metaphor for oppenheimers motivations: he is motivated by all of them, until someone pins him down and demands he explain himself. but when they look somewhere else, his motives are once again unknown
i can't speak for the actual guy, but i thought the character's motives where insanely clear--"we, as 'good' people, have to take control of this before the bad people can,"
@@quinnmarchese6313perhaps at first, but theres the whole scene where the scientists at los alamos meet and are like, "hitler killed himself, the war is over. we should stop this train before we risk destroying the world" and robert is like "we keep going"
@@flowerheit4512 And yet it's the same calculus. The villain of the week might be gone, but new villains are assured to arise. Now the world in general knows this is possible, you *have to* keep going because who knows who else will develop it and try to gain leverage over you if you don't? Nothing changed with Hitler's death, on this front.
The way I understand Robert's motivation, initially he was naively idealistic enough to take seriously the idea of a "war to end all war". He thought that the bomb would not only bring an end to World war II but make all further war unthinkable. Despite his scientific genius, he was unable to think two moves ahead and foresee that the Soviet Union would build its own bomb resulting in an arms race. At the end, he was brutally disillusioned.
@@spaceanarchist1107 not only that, but the Soviet Union's building of it simply made more clear how much he had sacrificed only for it to not matter in the end. He had a pretty naive sense that the bomb would be worth the screwing over friends and the dead ex-lover and the moral quandries... until it wasn't worth it anymore. Hence his later turn toward penance and absolute guilt.
I'm so excited this is finally on RUclips! I watched it on Nebula already and immediately wanted to share it with my dad. He *loves* your video essay on Interstellar, and I know he's going to adore this.
@@cainiddrie1482i miss when bait comments used to be good. like people actually put effort and thought into them. now its just bots pretending to be the dumbest people alive to farm interactions
3/4s of Movies With Mikey videos are me struggling to understand what he’s trying to convey because the inferences and non-sequiturs fly by too fast for my ADHD brain to latch onto them properly. The other 1/4 is me smiling at the jokes and appreciating the title cards. Do I have post-COVID brain fog? Has it always been this way? I feel like there are sentences between the sentences he says that I don’t get to hear and those sentences would really help.
I'm kinda the same but sometimes I pick em up on rewatches, other times I'm just along for the ride cuz I love how Mikey writes even if I don't catch everything his throwing at me
This film really did shake me to the core. The bombs were catastrophic. A different film that gave me a great sense of catharsis after watching Oppenheimer (such that I cried in my friend's arms hours after we watched it together!) was the animated film Suzume! There's several allusions to the nuclear bombs dropped on Japan in that film and they stop similar-scale disasters from striking again. The film is absolutely, breathtakingly gorgeous, the score is beautiful, and the writing is poignant. No surprise it came from the creators of Your Name!! It's on Netflix and I 100000% recommend it!!!
I saw the film last weekend, and while I found it perfect in the visual, sound, acting and cast departments I was not sure how to take it on its themes, characters and history, and I thought that I should read the history of it and about Oppie boi. I still want to do this, but your video surely does recontextualize a lot of things. So thank you for this great video! Keep up the great work and take care!
I don’t normally see movies twice in the cinema because I can’t afford to most times, but I saw Oppenheimer twice due to my brother wanting to see it after I did first. I was transfixed by the film a second time, and wasn’t bored by the length at all. Oppenheimer holds up.
I’ve seen three times now in different formats (Standard 2D, IMAX, and Blu Ray) and you are absolutely right. To me it’s no doubt the best film of 2023.
Mikey, your passion for all movies just shines through in every video. Love that you respect the art of filmmaking from the bottom to the writers, directors and stars. You show such respect and it is appreciated even if I’m not interested in the movie you’re talking about. I always learn something new from you. Thank you!
I was getting the worst case of dejavu watching this and it took me several minutes to remember I've already watched it like 2 months ago on Nebula lol
24:00 thats amazing cause as a #GenX I was 4 in 1980 but in PA and "the bomb" never came up, wounder if it's due to the space between and how slow info & culture moved in the 80s.
I've been a cinephile since age 12, and have learned to compartmentalize films and not carry them into the real world with me. So, I'll get the themes, but moreso, appreciate the craft and only when video essays explain the themes do I take a second and go "oh shit, that's deep, that, that hits hard." Which is funny also because everyone in my family takes films SO seriously, like my dad couldn't sit through Nebraska because instead of seeing one of my favourite films of all time, he thought I was comparing him to Woody Grant and took serious offense to the comparison.
I like how this movie is circular, as one characters story begins another ends so the beginning is the end and the end is the beginning for our characters. I also love how little action is in the movie but the breakneck speed of the scenes transitioning results in the illusion of action, only Nolan could've pulled this off LOL :P
ngl there's a whole ass video essay waiting to be made on JUST on the thematic resonance created with Sunshine by casting Cillian Murphy as Oppenheimer
Wow, Lindsey Ellis and Jessie Gender mentioned one after the other. Well, that's fun. I'd love to support a platform that Lindsey Ellis feels safe on, and that you post to, however the very next individual mentioned is exactly the sort of person that cause Lindsey to shut down her socials. So unfortunately it's plebe tier youtube ad rev support from me and no more. I had something to say about the vid, but I'm kinda mad now.
You had nuclear drills in school? Im five years younger than you and grew up in CA, I must have just missed them or we we're doing them there or something. I did not realize they were happening that late as it was something my boomer parents told me they did when they were in school.
I love that you're pushing back against "ending explained" videos and the like, as the ending of something is not necessarily the part that was most important or moving about the thing. Movies and media in general are much better to be taken in as their whole, and sometimes as their individual parts, but rarely as a simple ending explanation.
To quote Nolan’s own Tenet, “Don’t understand it, feel it.” Like 2001: A Space Odyssey, if you need the ending to a film like this explained to you, you’ll never get it.
I came away from this movie wanting the movie about I.I. Rabi. Oppenheimer was one of those rare people who asks the right person the right question at the right moment.
ummm sure. I love buying Nebula! Especialy so I can really understand youtube!... unless the end wasn"t about Nebula... but then why would Mikey trick me and make his video trash?
I wish Mikey unpacked that a little more besides just flashing that Vanity Fair headline and moving on. It serves the story of Oppenheimer (and by extension Mikey's video essay) but it shouldn't be treated as literally true since that incident is based off fluff and hearsay. Read the actual Vanity Fair article that contradicts its own headline, consult the Cambridge archives to find there was absolutely no record of fallout or repercussions for this *attempted murder*, interrogate the story yourself and realize it doesn't make logical sense. Again, it serves the story of this biopic, but there's no reason to believe that its literally true.
I know it will probably go against your own point, but I would very much enjoy, to have one casa, where an essay talks about clues, choices etc, ( in this case, what made him a bad man, how he distorted reality for him to be good. How others see it and how you see it, etc), and actually say them elaborates them and makes a list. Talk to us as if were dumb. Most easays that do that, are not very good and only talk about the surface. I was always curios to have one case, so I know if I was in the right ball park
i usually watch RUclips video essays at 2x speed. i knew i was going to watch this 1 at normal speed when i saw it on my feed. Thanks for creating content that makes me want to slow down my thought process. 🤙🏿
Hey man, I'm assuming you're under 20 years old. Please stop watching content sped up. You are quite literally destroying your ability to take in information if you are treating it as protein and not sustenance.
He didn't talk about modern nuclear weapons... I think Mickey missed this one or was pro American nuclear policy..... I know Oppenheimer was a good film but Mikey? He should have at least said he was or wasn't pro the bomb that could end us all.
for what its worth, i dont think the film or the biography its based on is military propaganda. both paint the military as a machine using scientific discovery for its own ends.
That's an outstandingly vapid way of handling media. Do you put 100% faith in every accusation that a film is problematic in some vague yet unforgivable way? It sounds like you don't really care if it's true, just if it's socially convenient.
Love (/s) when people assume a movie is about something and then say because of said assumption they won't confirm or deny their assumption by actually watching the movie and LEARNING something. #sad
@@clarkbarrett6274 Isn't that just voting with your wallet, though? And I don't assume out of thin air, but heard it from people who did watch it and whose analysis I trust.
@@arturo182 Your friends' analysis is wildly off the mark. If anything it's a very clear anti-war story. And anti-nuke. (And I spent 28 yrs in the military, 33 really) You voted (with your feet/wallet) with poor/low information; that's a common ailment these days.
I was just blown away by how clear the structure of Oppenheimer was. Act 1: Hi, I’m Oppie. Just like you, I think Science is AMAZING. Welcome to the inside of my head. Act 2: Did you love that bit in Apollo 13? Well, here’s that, but it’s the hardest engineering and physics problem anyone has ever faced, and if we don’t solve it in the next year, everyone you’ve ever known will die in WWII. Act III: We did it! You (since you’re in my head now) did it! Congratulations. Here is your prize. Your prize is Death. All the death, in a big pile, all at once. Maybe not today, maybe not tomorrow, but soon. And for the rest of your life. CONGRATULATIONS.
The over simplification and terrible takes in this are too deep to bother typing out. You should listen to Dan Carlin's Hardcore History, Super Nova in the East series., ruclips.net/video/oErYYBNCHh4/видео.html Everything in history is far more complex than your, professor's driven pre-established hot takes. If you can't understand the first layer of complexity, how can i trust your take on a directors observation of that same complexity, given you already missed the plot.
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No high hits harder than that movies with mikey intro
Fr fr. I love it so much. The dopamine hits right
Facts! Love the intro
TRUTH!
I like it best with a cold open though.
It's an all time great, probably one of my favorites on the website
my take on Oppenheimer (the character) is that he is motivated in turns by personal ambition, duty to the US, and duty to all humanity.
an acquaintance suggested that superposition is a tidy metaphor for oppenheimers motivations: he is motivated by all of them, until someone pins him down and demands he explain himself. but when they look somewhere else, his motives are once again unknown
i can't speak for the actual guy, but i thought the character's motives where insanely clear--"we, as 'good' people, have to take control of this before the bad people can,"
@@quinnmarchese6313perhaps at first, but theres the whole scene where the scientists at los alamos meet and are like, "hitler killed himself, the war is over. we should stop this train before we risk destroying the world" and robert is like "we keep going"
@@flowerheit4512 And yet it's the same calculus. The villain of the week might be gone, but new villains are assured to arise. Now the world in general knows this is possible, you *have to* keep going because who knows who else will develop it and try to gain leverage over you if you don't?
Nothing changed with Hitler's death, on this front.
The way I understand Robert's motivation, initially he was naively idealistic enough to take seriously the idea of a "war to end all war". He thought that the bomb would not only bring an end to World war II but make all further war unthinkable. Despite his scientific genius, he was unable to think two moves ahead and foresee that the Soviet Union would build its own bomb resulting in an arms race. At the end, he was brutally disillusioned.
@@spaceanarchist1107 not only that, but the Soviet Union's building of it simply made more clear how much he had sacrificed only for it to not matter in the end. He had a pretty naive sense that the bomb would be worth the screwing over friends and the dead ex-lover and the moral quandries... until it wasn't worth it anymore. Hence his later turn toward penance and absolute guilt.
When a new Mikey video comes out, I stop everything
the first person script choice is melting my brain. incredible. what a simple and brilliant decision.
Movies with Mikey is truly great. Thank you for making this and everything you have done.
I'm so excited this is finally on RUclips! I watched it on Nebula already and immediately wanted to share it with my dad. He *loves* your video essay on Interstellar, and I know he's going to adore this.
And no point during this video did Mikey say that he wasn't pro nuclear weapons ... I think that is a fail when discussing Oppenheimer. A hard miss
@@cainiddrie1482i miss when bait comments used to be good. like people actually put effort and thought into them. now its just bots pretending to be the dumbest people alive to farm interactions
3/4s of Movies With Mikey videos are me struggling to understand what he’s trying to convey because the inferences and non-sequiturs fly by too fast for my ADHD brain to latch onto them properly. The other 1/4 is me smiling at the jokes and appreciating the title cards. Do I have post-COVID brain fog? Has it always been this way? I feel like there are sentences between the sentences he says that I don’t get to hear and those sentences would really help.
I'm kinda the same but sometimes I pick em up on rewatches, other times I'm just along for the ride cuz I love how Mikey writes even if I don't catch everything his throwing at me
It has always been this way, heh. Mikey's style actually lends itself pretty badly to analysis, but he makes it work anyways.
I only wish there were more Movies with Mikey episodes ;w;
This film really did shake me to the core. The bombs were catastrophic.
A different film that gave me a great sense of catharsis after watching Oppenheimer (such that I cried in my friend's arms hours after we watched it together!) was the animated film Suzume! There's several allusions to the nuclear bombs dropped on Japan in that film and they stop similar-scale disasters from striking again. The film is absolutely, breathtakingly gorgeous, the score is beautiful, and the writing is poignant. No surprise it came from the creators of Your Name!! It's on Netflix and I 100000% recommend it!!!
Absolutely insane essay, Mikey. Love these videos so much 😭😭😭
The book "American Prometheus" by Kai Bird and Martin Sherwin is NOT a novel. It is a non-fiction biography.
And a FANTASTIC read 🤘🏻
What do I do if my Openheimer never ended? I'm still in the theater. Send help
You should switch to Closenheimer real quick.
Talk to your doctor if your Oppenheimer lasts longer than 4 hours
Quick, "go pee" and get yer woke on through the Barbie door...
get another bag of popcorn and enjoy the movie
I saw the film last weekend, and while I found it perfect in the visual, sound, acting and cast departments I was not sure how to take it on its themes, characters and history, and I thought that I should read the history of it and about Oppie boi.
I still want to do this, but your video surely does recontextualize a lot of things.
So thank you for this great video! Keep up the great work and take care!
Didn't your videos used to have a cold open? I miss that.
Great video, anyway.
I don’t normally see movies twice in the cinema because I can’t afford to most times, but I saw Oppenheimer twice due to my brother wanting to see it after I did first. I was transfixed by the film a second time, and wasn’t bored by the length at all. Oppenheimer holds up.
I’ve seen three times now in different formats (Standard 2D, IMAX, and Blu Ray) and you are absolutely right. To me it’s no doubt the best film of 2023.
Whenever this theme pops into my head, I come to check film joy and I find a new upload, Mikey you're in my brain bruh
Mikey, your passion for all movies just shines through in every video. Love that you respect the art of filmmaking from the bottom to the writers, directors and stars. You show such respect and it is appreciated even if I’m not interested in the movie you’re talking about. I always learn something new from you. Thank you!
I was getting the worst case of dejavu watching this and it took me several minutes to remember I've already watched it like 2 months ago on Nebula lol
I think the best part of movies with Mike are the meta commentary as you watch along. It’s a genius take
Extremely pleasing to have my obsessive thoughts on this movie validated by one of my favourite creators. What a marvellous video
I recommend your channel to just about everyone I know-I’ve been a fan for years. Excellent work as always.
24:00 thats amazing cause as a #GenX I was 4 in 1980 but in PA and "the bomb" never came up, wounder if it's due to the space between and how slow info & culture moved in the 80s.
Sad I missed the opportunity to see this in theaters. ❤
Mikey needs more views. Best video essayist there is.
How is this so underwatched? Thank you Mikey for your analysis.
I've been a cinephile since age 12, and have learned to compartmentalize films and not carry them into the real world with me. So, I'll get the themes, but moreso, appreciate the craft and only when video essays explain the themes do I take a second and go "oh shit, that's deep, that, that hits hard." Which is funny also because everyone in my family takes films SO seriously, like my dad couldn't sit through Nebraska because instead of seeing one of my favourite films of all time, he thought I was comparing him to Woody Grant and took serious offense to the comparison.
I see a FilmJoy video, I watch. I like. I feel happy afterwards.
actually a series about a production design team would be really interesting to watch
My local theater actually had "Poppenheimers" on the menu. They were just jalapeño poppers.
I like how this movie is circular, as one characters story begins another ends so the beginning is the end and the end is the beginning for our characters. I also love how little action is in the movie but the breakneck speed of the scenes transitioning results in the illusion of action, only Nolan could've pulled this off LOL :P
shuddup maaatt
Love it
No matter what you do with this channel, please never change the intro music. That is all.
I have returned to watch and enjoy this video
If you actually marketed a "But did you KNOW" helmet, I'd buy at least 10 for myself and friends, and hardly ever take it off. Get on that?
Will you be doing a review of the sequel, Godzilla: Minus One?
ngl there's a whole ass video essay waiting to be made on JUST on the thematic resonance created with Sunshine by casting Cillian Murphy as Oppenheimer
Oh yes yes yes! Been looking forward to this for a while! So excited :D
Didn't MGM make a few TIME TRAVEL movies? That's a place/time to start from...
This script is incomprehensible
First time here?
Wow, Lindsey Ellis and Jessie Gender mentioned one after the other. Well, that's fun. I'd love to support a platform that Lindsey Ellis feels safe on, and that you post to, however the very next individual mentioned is exactly the sort of person that cause Lindsey to shut down her socials. So unfortunately it's plebe tier youtube ad rev support from me and no more. I had something to say about the vid, but I'm kinda mad now.
You could always do their Patreon.
Headed to Nebula to watch this again
Listening to how much his fans love him is actually better than Christopher Nolan's movies
love you mikey!!!!!
You had nuclear drills in school? Im five years younger than you and grew up in CA, I must have just missed them or we we're doing them there or something. I did not realize they were happening that late as it was something my boomer parents told me they did when they were in school.
Yaaaaas. Mikey da bomb!
Is that a jazz instrumental of the Heat Man theme at the beginning of act 2?
looking stylish mikey
Ahhh. So that's what happened to Woody Harrelson's younger self.
I've been wondering about that for some time, now.
Wake up babe..a new movies with Mikey dropped.
And it’s fucking Oppenheimer⁉️
Anyone know how much it is to commission a video on a film?
Great video as always!
The "parts" makes this incredibly impossible to watch on televisions. Damn it, Mikey.
I'm confused, who or what is zeus in this metaphor?
Film Joy is the best
I love that you're pushing back against "ending explained" videos and the like, as the ending of something is not necessarily the part that was most important or moving about the thing. Movies and media in general are much better to be taken in as their whole, and sometimes as their individual parts, but rarely as a simple ending explanation.
To quote Nolan’s own Tenet, “Don’t understand it, feel it.” Like 2001: A Space Odyssey, if you need the ending to a film like this explained to you, you’ll never get it.
American Prometheus ain't a novel (fiction). It's a biography (nonfiction).
Another banger, Mikey
I will re turn when i have slept It 7 am And i must sleep
I came away from this movie wanting the movie about I.I. Rabi.
Oppenheimer was one of those rare people who asks the right person the right question at the right moment.
HEY Y'ALL TIME TO CATCH A RIIIIIDE!!!
Hey Mikey....
Do another MCU video 🥴😄🤣🤣🤣🤣
it's oppening time baybee
26:11 and cast into the bowels of the earth and pecked by birds! That's all I can say.
some day i will have enough disposable income for a nebula subscription. Some day
2:54 American Prometheus is a biography, not a novel.
ummm sure. I love buying Nebula! Especialy so I can really understand youtube!... unless the end wasn"t about Nebula... but then why would Mikey trick me and make his video trash?
For me, being named Robert, this is a particularly difficult video to watch.
Explosion.
Wait, you are a Tulsan? High five!
The poison didn’t actually happen! His family maintains the book completely made that up.
tbh the book left it pretty ambiguous whether that actually happened or he made it up
they would say that course
Yes. Because his family were definitely there at the time.
I wish Mikey unpacked that a little more besides just flashing that Vanity Fair headline and moving on. It serves the story of Oppenheimer (and by extension Mikey's video essay) but it shouldn't be treated as literally true since that incident is based off fluff and hearsay.
Read the actual Vanity Fair article that contradicts its own headline, consult the Cambridge archives to find there was absolutely no record of fallout or repercussions for this *attempted murder*, interrogate the story yourself and realize it doesn't make logical sense.
Again, it serves the story of this biopic, but there's no reason to believe that its literally true.
I know it will probably go against your own point, but I would very much enjoy, to have one casa, where an essay talks about clues, choices etc, ( in this case, what made him a bad man, how he distorted reality for him to be good. How others see it and how you see it, etc), and actually say them elaborates them and makes a list. Talk to us as if were dumb.
Most easays that do that, are not very good and only talk about the surface.
I was always curios to have one case, so I know if I was in the right ball park
i usually watch RUclips video essays at 2x speed. i knew i was going to watch this 1 at normal speed when i saw it on my feed. Thanks for creating content that makes me want to slow down my thought process. 🤙🏿
Hey man, I'm assuming you're under 20 years old. Please stop watching content sped up. You are quite literally destroying your ability to take in information if you are treating it as protein and not sustenance.
@@FullScreenTV_It seemed kind of like a humble brag to me.
The ending needed explaining? To who? Edit: sorry I jumped too early. This is the deepest video of all time.
Damn, Mikey gotta crap on Adam Sandler like that.
like # 420 . seemed appropriate somehow
Yo check out "mother"
Yeah, I guess the movie is OK.
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YOU'RE FROM TULSA??????
HE'S BACK
Bro, quoting vanity fair for your opening statement is pretty lazy.
Ending explained? We win WWII. Duh.
He didn't talk about modern nuclear weapons... I think Mickey missed this one or was pro American nuclear policy..... I know Oppenheimer was a good film but Mikey? He should have at least said he was or wasn't pro the bomb that could end us all.
LMAOOOOO
The Allies didn't need the A-bomb to defeat Japan.
And the specter of death has hung over everyone ever since, in a more dramatic way.
Heracles*
he didn't actually try to poison his teacher. that's a reference to a hypothetical he made
I heard the movie is just military propaganda, I will not be watching it. Will watch Mikey, though 👍
for what its worth, i dont think the film or the biography its based on is military propaganda. both paint the military as a machine using scientific discovery for its own ends.
That's an outstandingly vapid way of handling media. Do you put 100% faith in every accusation that a film is problematic in some vague yet unforgivable way? It sounds like you don't really care if it's true, just if it's socially convenient.
Love (/s) when people assume a movie is about something and then say because of said assumption they won't confirm or deny their assumption by actually watching the movie and LEARNING something.
#sad
@@clarkbarrett6274 Isn't that just voting with your wallet, though? And I don't assume out of thin air, but heard it from people who did watch it and whose analysis I trust.
@@arturo182 Your friends' analysis is wildly off the mark. If anything it's a very clear anti-war story. And anti-nuke. (And I spent 28 yrs in the military, 33 really)
You voted (with your feet/wallet) with poor/low information; that's a common ailment these days.
I was just blown away by how clear the structure of Oppenheimer was.
Act 1: Hi, I’m Oppie. Just like you, I think Science is AMAZING. Welcome to the inside of my head.
Act 2: Did you love that bit in Apollo 13? Well, here’s that, but it’s the hardest engineering and physics problem anyone has ever faced, and if we don’t solve it in the next year, everyone you’ve ever known will die in WWII.
Act III: We did it! You (since you’re in my head now) did it! Congratulations. Here is your prize.
Your prize is Death. All the death, in a big pile, all at once. Maybe not today, maybe not tomorrow, but soon. And for the rest of your life.
CONGRATULATIONS.
Less war overall is "not saving anybody"?
Watch this video at 1.75 speed to keep from being bored by the vocal cadence
The over simplification and terrible takes in this are too deep to bother typing out. You should listen to Dan Carlin's Hardcore History, Super Nova in the East series., ruclips.net/video/oErYYBNCHh4/видео.html Everything in history is far more complex than your, professor's driven pre-established hot takes. If you can't understand the first layer of complexity, how can i trust your take on a directors observation of that same complexity, given you already missed the plot.
Sir, this is a review of a movie
I am so adding “mayhaps” to my vocabulary!1