The fact that there's an incarnation of the current M4 being seriously pitted against a GT3 shows just how much M cars have left behind their traditional competitors.
Power/torque vs weight is one thing. But don't forget to consider aero drag, which the GT3 has more of it. This may be the main reason for the M4 being able to catch up with the GT3 on higher straightline speeds.
As long as you could actually get either of these I think the weight alone makes it an easy choice for me! GT3! But I’ve never driven the BMW so who knows for sure
Yes, the GT3 is the better car but it costs twice as much in the US in today’s market. Not a really fair comparison. The 911 carrera GTS is the one to compare it to. Also I would love to see you guys test on dry roads for once…
Porsche are on top of the game in recent years. They just feel like they were designed from the outset to be a sports car, as opposed to a multi platform car that was designed to take the family to the zoo, supermarket, commuting etc as comfortably and cheaply as possible, but with sports car components and performance added to it.
I am just impressed that we can now talk about a bmw and a porsche as real competitors, well done bmw for pushing a normal road car to GT3 standards I would go with the bmw just for its sheer driving pleasure and most importantly ITS A LIMITED ADDITION it may be expensive but compared to the GT3 it has better value for money
Hah the CSL is nowhere even close to the GT3. Limited or not, good luck with getting a GT3. And on the track the CSL will only see the rear end of the GT3 - and not for long
I thought M3 vs GT3 was an age old grudge match. M3’s typically punch beyond their weight and 911’s from the 1996-2008 era were similarly priced in the used car market (thanks to all the m96/m97 engine issues).
Great review! Shame the UK press M4 CSL does not have the proper CSL seats in it. They make a difference (Once set up for you) and are far better than the Porsche "918" buckets, in my opinion (I own both). I don't think anybody would buy a CSL instead of a GT3, I have love how completely different they are to drive. The GT3 disappears around you, and it feels like you're flying along the road, whereas the CSL demands constant thought, mainly managing traction and speed, as on the road it's a LOT faster than the GT3 in real situations like 40 mph out of a tight corner into a short straight where the GT3 will hit 80 mph and the CSL is at 95 mph. Overtaking is more effortless with all the torque and less likely to offend people in the CSL as it is very quiet. The GT3 is much easier on its tires, I took my CSL on track (Thruxton) on worn Cup 2 R's, and it shredded the rears to the canvass in 7 laps, but wow, what a fun seven laps!
M3 (csl) that's the upgraded lightweight version, so not standard m3. Why use the normal standard GT3 and not the GT3 RS so it's based on race/track/driving performance?
... staring at the twisted seatbelt... ಠ_ʖಠ I would not complain about either of these. But one can't beat Porsches flat six. What a beautiful sound.
You’ll pay nearly 200 for a GT3.. that’s if you can get one. People are paying almost double list for them. Not the M4 CSL. Also, the CSL is a limited run.
@@roadreg1820 This sounds pretty particular to the US. In Switzerland, the M4 CSL costs around 244,000 USD fully speced (list price) and the GT3 starts with a base price of 239,000 USD (list price), and yes you can find brand new GT3s at list price at dealers. The US is treated amazingly with list prices for German cars. They literally get all German cars cheaper than the German Market themselves. Just as a reference, the list price for the GT3 even in Germany is 211,000 USD. For even more reference, the starting price of a Turbo S in Germany is 269,000 USD while in the US the starting price is just 216,000 USD.
great comparison, but you could buy two CSLs for the current market price of a 992 GT3. I think this needs to be addressed, as for $140k US there aren't really many better cars that you can actually buy at that price.
The Rory and Alex 'bromance' continues! Brilliant! Alex.... ''he didn't turn up that day''... and review of the BMW CSL is incredible. All or bloody nothing.... Still take the BMW simply as it will become a future classic. Cheers guys! More please!
Auto Trader the new Top Gear? ;) Somehow with these 2 guys you have managed to bring a spark that has been missing from most review channels and even shows like TG
I am a Porsche and bmw fan I’ll have both or none . To say a car is to aggressive to be good for the track because you prefer more forgiving cars is a crazy statement it was quick around the nurb and bmw I’m sorry Alex didn’t make the car specifically for you so I’m glad it’s a bit of a hoon that’s what makes it fun
The vw beetle was a pos and drove like crap, looked even worse. The 60s edition was the only one made that was decent but even then it was slower than a toad.
Ahahaha you are so funny 😂 double wishbone from the RSR lemans race car and guess what ? The beetle destroy 98% of the supercars with 700hp+ on the track. There is more than just having the name double wishbone Porsche hater
@@CLSTRN911 not another keyboard warrior, it’s a joke you clown. And if had a brain you’d understand the reference to calling a 911 a beetle on that track. Nice work there though, getting defensive for an huge car manufacturer, I’m sure Porsche are relieved you’ve got their back 😂🤡 700hp? You’re clearly a subject matter expert, not 🤡
@@CLSTRN911 I don’t hate Porsche 🤣. I hated the Beatles, specifically the newer ones. Never said the double wish bone was bad nor did I say that Porsche isn’t accomplished in racing and sports cars along with handling. But the beatle was a chicks car all of them. Yeah sure you can make them fast but really that’s mainly due to weight. But it’s not on that stock motor that it comes with 🤣.
both cars are reference in its class. The sportscar is more expensiv...for a few thousand Dollars you can get a serial kit to catch exclusivly with this 4,80m long middle-class based car also this reference-sports-Car on driver-streets...
Comparing ASDA plunk with fine wine, rabbit and rat, Porsche GT3 and M4 Turbo on a generic saloon platform. The last BMW remains the e46 M3 CSL powered by M, naturally aspirated engine craftsmanship.
Manuals are for investors or those too influenced by RUclips videos. If you're focussed on the 'involvement' of a manual when out driving a GT3....... you're not doing it right. I'll keep a manual in my Caterham or old Peugeot 205 1.9 GTi, but in this? PDK, all the way.
I’m always confused by the comparison between the M4 CSL and GT3, besides the price (M4 CSL way too much but the GT3 will never be sticker). The M4 is a souped up saloon and the GT3 is a watered down race car… They don’t meet in the middle.
You got to hand it over to BMW for being able to turn a full size luxury coupe into performance car that can keep up with a GT3 . It never stood a chance vs a rear mounted engine sports car .
You do realise the Mazda Miata has double wish bone suspension (as do many cars including Toyota Land Cruisers), the reality is it only matters at the limit as it delivers a more consistent contact patch than a traditional strut design. Also Porsche changed the steering rack rate to give it a bit more spice at more common road speeds. Haven't been near a BMW since the E46 - twin turbo lumps are monotonous driving experiences - loads of mid range and horrible sound, zero finesse.
csl isn't a track car it's a handling focused road car that is capable on track. Track cars have wings and diffusers. Waste of time if you aren't maximizing aero.
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Easy decision. GT3!!!!
Very easy indeed! PORSCHE all day ❤❤
BMW anyday over VW
There isn’t actually a decision to make here…….one is a garish looking, heavy as hell car that has zero finesse compared to the benchmark GT3
Yeh. Shocking. Shocked. Should I be. Not really. Did expect BM be closer. It got mullered
@@henzo7087 You’ll know one day if you ever own one, I understand it might be out of your league and that’s why you settle for a bmw, trust me I know
The GT3 with a manual might be the best car on sale
@@MT-kx2uc same car, sans wing…
I’ve always thought 911’s look too ordinary, but that GT3 just looks epic.
They're meant to look ordinary and they're perfect as they are
@@WoTjolly agreed! 75 years of perfecting that timeless look.
And it is absolutely beautiful!
The fact that there's an incarnation of the current M4 being seriously pitted against a GT3 shows just how much M cars have left behind their traditional competitors.
Loving these Alex/Rory track battles!
No way Rory is comfortable with his seatbelt like that but the car makes you forget that 😅
I was thinking same , that would drive me mad
33 seconds ago let's goooo.... I'll take the Porsche.
@patrickbai4708I mean it doesn’t 😂 cheapest 992 GT3 is 189k. Cheapest M4 CSL 140k
@Patrick Bai 280k?? You literally buy 3rs for 250k
I love that you were on the top gear test track. This should be the top gear we have now. Maybe with Chris as well
I feel for you guys, always cold and raining. So hard to do track car reviews. Great job
I was thinking the same thing. Coming from car throttle I love to see Alex on the channel. Fills the whole in my heart.
Power/torque vs weight is one thing. But don't forget to consider aero drag, which the GT3 has more of it. This may be the main reason for the M4 being able to catch up with the GT3 on higher straightline speeds.
It is the same with Turbo S vs the GT3.
As long as you could actually get either of these I think the weight alone makes it an easy choice for me! GT3!
But I’ve never driven the BMW so who knows for sure
I am not sure who is gonna buy CSL over freaking GT3
BMW over VW beetle anyday
ℹ agreed with nimish
M4 CSL in US marker now is $300,000 which is completely ludicrous!
300 grand for that design and mediocre hrsprs
It's a collectible that's why.
@@rdab700 No collectible was ever a collectable at inception! Is a chaotic market deluged with new money!
@@QeeQee1 It's a limited edition CSL car. The CSL tag has a pedigree behind it. So yes a car can become a collectible from inception.
@@rdab700 right lol
That track 😢. So much memories.
Bro 😢😢😢
Yes, the GT3 is the better car but it costs twice as much in the US in today’s market. Not a really fair comparison. The 911 carrera GTS is the one to compare it to.
Also I would love to see you guys test on dry roads for once…
someone commented that the CSL costs 300 grand 🤡
@@mightymallet5474 $145,000 in the US with the optional paint. $140,000 without.
Porsche are on top of the game in recent years. They just feel like they were designed from the outset to be a sports car, as opposed to a multi platform car that was designed to take the family to the zoo, supermarket, commuting etc as comfortably and cheaply as possible, but with sports car components and performance added to it.
Honestly, I’m here just to see more of the gt3
AutoTrader is addictive! I love it!
Which one generates the most error codes.
I am just impressed that we can now talk about a bmw and a porsche as real competitors, well done bmw for pushing a normal road car to GT3 standards I would go with the bmw just for its sheer driving pleasure and most importantly ITS A LIMITED ADDITION it may be expensive but compared to the GT3 it has better value for money
Hah the CSL is nowhere even close to the GT3. Limited or not, good luck with getting a GT3. And on the track the CSL will only see the rear end of the GT3 - and not for long
I thought M3 vs GT3 was an age old grudge match. M3’s typically punch beyond their weight and 911’s from the 1996-2008 era were similarly priced in the used car market (thanks to all the m96/m97 engine issues).
@@benm.3994 Bullshit
I actually had to throw my knickers in the bin after this shoot - ruined.
Look closely… there appears to be toilet tissue in the 911 door pocket 😅
How you gonna explain that to your husband hahaha
Clever edit there Autotrader to hide the GT3 leaving the tarmac @8:31
Even so, GT3 all day long. No question
This was the video I was waiting for! Awesome! 👍
I know most reviewers put these two against each other, I don't believe it should be.
Auto trader’s got the best presenters…. I’m definitely getting both of these machines cuz I need both a tamed and untamed Rottweiler 😂😂
Great test! Can't remember any gen of GT3 losing duel, maybe except of 991 to 458 speciale. But to me it's always been Porsche.
Nice vid, love the chemistry between rory and alex as well
Great review! Shame the UK press M4 CSL does not have the proper CSL seats in it. They make a difference (Once set up for you) and are far better than the Porsche "918" buckets, in my opinion (I own both). I don't think anybody would buy a CSL instead of a GT3, I have love how completely different they are to drive. The GT3 disappears around you, and it feels like you're flying along the road, whereas the CSL demands constant thought, mainly managing traction and speed, as on the road it's a LOT faster than the GT3 in real situations like 40 mph out of a tight corner into a short straight where the GT3 will hit 80 mph and the CSL is at 95 mph. Overtaking is more effortless with all the torque and less likely to offend people in the CSL as it is very quiet. The GT3 is much easier on its tires, I took my CSL on track (Thruxton) on worn Cup 2 R's, and it shredded the rears to the canvass in 7 laps, but wow, what a fun seven laps!
Excellent honest owner view, thank you.
Get these back on the track on a dry day.
An absolute banger. Well done guys.
Everything I see a video of these duo, I just like it first and then watch it…they are that good
M3 (csl) that's the upgraded lightweight version, so not standard m3.
Why use the normal standard GT3 and not the GT3 RS so it's based on race/track/driving performance?
Price.
You 2 are a perfect "Top Tube" version!!
Thank you for taking us along on this incredible adventure. Looking forward to more exciting content in the future!
... staring at the twisted seatbelt... ಠ_ʖಠ
I would not complain about either of these.
But one can't beat Porsches flat six. What a beautiful sound.
I went head to head in my f80 m3 against a 991 gt3rs today.
He got me off the line, then I started to reel him in, over and over again.
Great review. This may be a comparison of cars, but it certainly is not a comparison of pricing. CSL: $130,000, GT3 spec’s like the BMW? $220,000.
You’ll pay nearly 200 for a GT3.. that’s if you can get one. People are paying almost double list for them. Not the M4 CSL. Also, the CSL is a limited run.
@@roadreg1820 This sounds pretty particular to the US. In Switzerland, the M4 CSL costs around 244,000 USD fully speced (list price) and the GT3 starts with a base price of 239,000 USD (list price), and yes you can find brand new GT3s at list price at dealers. The US is treated amazingly with list prices for German cars. They literally get all German cars cheaper than the German Market themselves. Just as a reference, the list price for the GT3 even in Germany is 211,000 USD. For even more reference, the starting price of a Turbo S in Germany is 269,000 USD while in the US the starting price is just 216,000 USD.
This track has just made me realise how much i miss The 3 Wisemen.
Again…fairly certain the M4 is not in Sport+ Mode. Can tell by stance. Not even unleashing its potential. It’s capped.
Yeah! He’s not running it in Sport+ or M1 Dynamic mode.
Easy to choose between the two 💙
great comparison, but you could buy two CSLs for the current market price of a 992 GT3. I think this needs to be addressed, as for $140k US there aren't really many better cars that you can actually buy at that price.
The Rory and Alex 'bromance' continues! Brilliant! Alex.... ''he didn't turn up that day''... and review of the BMW CSL is incredible. All or bloody nothing.... Still take the BMW simply as it will become a future classic. Cheers guys! More please!
Lol
Auto Trader the new Top Gear? ;) Somehow with these 2 guys you have managed to bring a spark that has been missing from most review channels and even shows like TG
Once I got a 997.2 GT3RS and that noise never left my ears again. A naturally aspirated Porsche engine sounds orgasmic.
I am a Porsche and bmw fan I’ll have both or none . To say a car is to aggressive to be good for the track because you prefer more forgiving cars is a crazy statement it was quick around the nurb and bmw I’m sorry Alex didn’t make the car specifically for you so I’m glad it’s a bit of a hoon that’s what makes it fun
Double wishbone is not new to sports cars. Why did it take them 50 plus years to catch up? It's kinda like not having lsd as a standard in their 911s.
That short bloke is pretty good at this car thing 😉
The Shark Blue of the Porsche is just gorgeous.
Porsche ❤️
The blue one won’t depreciate half as much
Great review
Transformation 😍
I take the M4 any day!!
In the wet I wonder if you notice any difference between the CSL and a Competition
Double wishbone suspension has been around forever, Porsche stick it on the front of their beetle and they’re geniuses 😂
The vw beetle was a pos and drove like crap, looked even worse. The 60s edition was the only one made that was decent but even then it was slower than a toad.
Ahahaha you are so funny 😂 double wishbone from the RSR lemans race car and guess what ? The beetle destroy 98% of the supercars with 700hp+ on the track. There is more than just having the name double wishbone Porsche hater
@@CLSTRN911 not another keyboard warrior, it’s a joke you clown. And if had a brain you’d understand the reference to calling a 911 a beetle on that track. Nice work there though, getting defensive for an huge car manufacturer, I’m sure Porsche are relieved you’ve got their back 😂🤡
700hp? You’re clearly a subject matter expert, not 🤡
@@CLSTRN911 I don’t hate Porsche 🤣. I hated the Beatles, specifically the newer ones. Never said the double wish bone was bad nor did I say that Porsche isn’t accomplished in racing and sports cars along with handling. But the beatle was a chicks car all of them. Yeah sure you can make them fast but really that’s mainly due to weight. But it’s not on that stock motor that it comes with 🤣.
@@joshreynolds729 nooo the comment was not for you 💀
Love these 2
both cars are reference in its class. The sportscar is more expensiv...for a few thousand Dollars you can get a serial kit to catch exclusivly with this 4,80m long middle-class based car also this reference-sports-Car on driver-streets...
Just because you have 2 cars on the same day does not mean they should be compared... the GT3 is in a league of its own.
Comparing ASDA plunk with fine wine, rabbit and rat, Porsche GT3 and M4 Turbo on a generic saloon platform. The last BMW remains the e46 M3 CSL powered by M, naturally aspirated engine craftsmanship.
Manuals are for investors or those too influenced by RUclips videos. If you're focussed on the 'involvement' of a manual when out driving a GT3....... you're not doing it right. I'll keep a manual in my Caterham or old Peugeot 205 1.9 GTi, but in this? PDK, all the way.
perfect video guys
I’m always confused by the comparison between the M4 CSL and GT3, besides the price (M4 CSL way too much but the GT3 will never be sticker). The M4 is a souped up saloon and the GT3 is a watered down race car… They don’t meet in the middle.
Objectively the GT3 is the better car, anyone who buys the M4 CSL either wasn’t interested in the GT3 or already owns one.
Recognized that track in minutes, good it's still getting used
Basically, if you’ve got the money for a Porsche, get the Porsche 😊
Great video.
Lap times?
Oh look, another rainy day car review from the UK...
Who does drag race on wet surface?
We didn't order rain.
@@AutoTraderTV it's pretty useless. But it's your channel. Do whatever you can do :D
You got to hand it over to BMW for being able to turn a full size luxury coupe into performance car that can keep up with a GT3 . It never stood a chance vs a rear mounted engine sports car .
I like seeing Rory by himself
For sure it's a matter of brand preference so I'd take the bimmer 😁💪
I loves bmws alot but gt3 with manual if one of my dream cars❤
I always wondered what the Lighthouse Family were up to these days...(?!)
These are the price?! Criminal
As i bmw owner I’ll take the gt3🍻
I would take a Gt3 any day over that BMW.
No race? No lap times? This wasn' track battle..
Too wet for hot laps, sorry. The track was pretty dangerous.
@@AutoTraderTVI say my fellow good man; you know what we want but went ahead with a wet track anyway!!! Sad times 😢
Porsche PDK vs BMW 8AT is not both losing. There’s a CLEAR winner lol
Bit of a knife to a gunfight moment!
I love them both but if I can only have one, it's the GT3💪🔥🔥
BMW M4 CSL forever ❤❤❤
Comparing a purpose built sports car with a tuned 4 series doesn't seem like a fair deal. The only thigt these cars have in common is the price
Did Alex have the BMW in RWD only? SUrely 4WD would be best for those conditions.
The CSL is RWD
Porcsche all the way every day. What a machine.
BMW is faster, looks better, is more special thats all. Track conditions were not good for test
❤ GT3 always. ❤
GT3!!!
If I were to pick one right now I would pick the Porsche GT3 RS over the BMW.
BMW makes great cars but Porsche 911 has my ❤.
M4 cls is excellent but I prefer 911 gt3 👌🏻
Good Channel
Of course the GT3 would prevail. It was predictable but... for the M4 CSL to get this close! Hats off to BMW!
You should've done a drag race as well.
They did, previously video they did drag races and rolls
You do realise the Mazda Miata has double wish bone suspension (as do many cars including Toyota Land Cruisers), the reality is it only matters at the limit as it delivers a more consistent contact patch than a traditional strut design. Also Porsche changed the steering rack rate to give it a bit more spice at more common road speeds. Haven't been near a BMW since the E46 - twin turbo lumps are monotonous driving experiences - loads of mid range and horrible sound, zero finesse.
csl isn't a track car it's a handling focused road car that is capable on track. Track cars have wings and diffusers. Waste of time if you aren't maximizing aero.
Why do the Brits insist on reviewing cars in the worst weather all the time. Just go to Spain to review
Is there a single person in the world who would take a M4cs over a GT3?!!
Another pointless test in the rain, get some better weather before you waste your time again
From the magical weather shop?
@@AutoTraderTV from the weatherman, i hear he can tell the future
@@gxp99 We live in the UK and book our tests weeks in advance. If it rains, it rains.
I won't be disappointed if I don't see any more videos of Alex. In fact, I probably won't watch any if he is in them.
He is really annoying
cars that are not within $10K of each other, should not be in a comparison test. No one cross shops a GT3 with a M4CSL
Y'all crazyeth...🤣