Breakthrough (Part II)

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  • Опубликовано: 24 янв 2025

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  • @stratfordbaby
    @stratfordbaby 6 месяцев назад +139

    CGI that really holds up even 30 years later.

    • @KMCA779
      @KMCA779 5 месяцев назад +4

      I believe they still used mostly miniatures at this time.

    • @DMann2006
      @DMann2006 5 месяцев назад +3

      Still practical effects used here

    • @Silverlightlive
      @Silverlightlive 5 месяцев назад +1

      That is all practical. Check Babylon 5 for CGI at that time.

    • @FekLeyrTarg
      @FekLeyrTarg 5 месяцев назад +6

      ​@@SilverlightliveActually, the battle itself is all CGI.
      Same with the wormhole.

    • @ouknow1446
      @ouknow1446 4 месяца назад +1

      Why can't CGI show the Federation fleet warp past Dominion forces straight to DS9?

  • @s.o.4339
    @s.o.4339 3 месяца назад +47

    Left out the best part, when the 200 ships of the Federation and the Klingons are approaching.
    Weyoun: "Time to start packing!"

    • @KH4444444444N
      @KH4444444444N Месяц назад +2

      "Founder, 200 enemy ships have broken through our lines!"

  • @MarK-x9y
    @MarK-x9y 4 месяца назад +23

    Brings back memories of video taping this at my parents house and then watching it at the weekends

  • @CaptainRC1
    @CaptainRC1 5 месяцев назад +90

    In Star Trek Online, it turns out that the Dominion fleet wasn't destroyed, or didn't simply vanish. The Prophets caused the fleet to emerge from the wormhole about 35 years in the future.

    • @pyrioncelendil
      @pyrioncelendil 5 месяцев назад +17

      And what's a crying shame is that they didn't make a TFO that would have a team of 2409-vintage ships take on that entire fleet.

    • @BigAntTVMedia
      @BigAntTVMedia 5 месяцев назад +29

      This could have been a season 4 for Picard

    • @CYCO1631
      @CYCO1631 5 месяцев назад +9

      Not a bad idea actually.

    • @SeattleSandro
      @SeattleSandro 4 месяца назад +5

      I loved that story line in STO!

    • @EveCommitsCrimes
      @EveCommitsCrimes 4 месяца назад +14

      That's gotta be a kick in the ass for the fleet, emerging from the wormhole to find their entire command structure gone from the alpha quadrant, their enemies far stronger and smarter than they were when you last encountered them, and zero reinforcements coming to help.

  • @jonathanfarley2023
    @jonathanfarley2023 6 месяцев назад +64

    Two Ferengi saved the Alpha quadrant.

  • @SD-cw3gm
    @SD-cw3gm 2 месяца назад +8

    "One ship against an entire fleet? That's a hell of a Plan B."

  • @davehoward2791
    @davehoward2791 6 месяцев назад +27

    Deus ex machina.
    It’s worked for millennia in all theater.
    I love it. 👍👍

    • @TheRealCaptainJamesTKirk
      @TheRealCaptainJamesTKirk 6 месяцев назад +3

      I really like that this show didn't abuse it. It can only be used ONCE. This is only show I know of that got away with using it twice.

    • @FekLeyrTarg
      @FekLeyrTarg 5 месяцев назад +3

      And it did have consequences for Sisko.
      He wasn't allowed to be with Kasidy after the war.
      At least this is how I interpret the statement that the Sisko won't find any rest on Bajor.
      And I interpret Sisko's pagh following another path as foreshadowing his decision to fight at Chin'Toka any marrying Kasidy against the prophets' warnings.
      I guess the writers didn't have it in mind when writing SoA but this is my personal interpretation of all of this.

  • @JM.TheComposer
    @JM.TheComposer 6 месяцев назад +21

    I always found it odd how readily Weyoun and the Founder accepted the "disappearance" of their ships.
    Wouldn't they want to know how Sisko managed to pull it off, to avoid it in the future?

    • @TheBigExclusive
      @TheBigExclusive 6 месяцев назад +38

      At the time the Dominion were winning the war greatly, and fully expected to replace those ships easily.
      The entire Dominion in the Gamma Quadrant was building ships at a massive rate. They were in a war economy and war production. Even losing this fleet didn't mean much. They could probably remake that fleet in a week (remember the Dominion was sending large fleets through the wormhole every week before Sisko mined the Wormhole).
      The Founder thought that they could still win this war even without reinforcements - even if it took a bit longer. And she was right. The Dominion came extremely close to winning. If not for a few things going wrong, the Dominion probably would have still won.
      She was Immortal. No need to rush the war.
      But Only when the Founder became sick did she turn very bitter, and her decision making became questionable. She used to believe since she was Immortal that she had all the time in the world to win the war. But then she got sick. So she wanted to win the war before dying and pushed her subordinates way too hard and alienated the Cardassians into wanting to quit the Dominion. Before she got sick, she was willing to take the war slow and grind down her enemies. Using her Changeling spies and agents to sabotage the alliance. It was the sickness that really affected the Founder's mental health.
      Plus. I think the Founder didn't want to get involved or acknowledge the idea of the Bajoran "gods". She had a superiority complex and it would be admitting to her troops that other gods existed. She didn't want to contaminate the Dominion with such thinking. Only the Founders were gods and no one else was acceptable.
      So she probably told herself they were lost in some freak accident, wrote off the fleet in her head, and moved on

    • @dhinton1
      @dhinton1 6 месяцев назад +1

      The Founders NEVER viewed ANY solid as an equal .... so "alienating" the Cardassians was never their concern. The Cardassians, as far as they were concerned, were fodder for the conquest of the entire Alpha Quadrant. The Federation and the Klingons were the only ones that actually "stood up" to the Dominion the whole time (remember the Romulans signed a NAP with the Dominion, which Benjamin Sisko and Garak lied to get the Romulans to abandon it ... one of the only ways that the Dominion didn't trounce the quadrant anyway).
      other than that ... this comment is virtually flawless.

    • @ouknow1446
      @ouknow1446 4 месяца назад +4

      @@TheBigExclusive In other words what a god has no explanation for it ignores. You're correct. Acknowledging the existence of the Prophets would undermine their religious structure. Up to then the Prophets were still considered fables and the orbs objects of curiosity especially by the Cardassians.

  • @mitche5007
    @mitche5007 6 месяцев назад +10

    This is a spiritual comment, the ego is always trying to control🙏

  • @UpcycleShoesKai
    @UpcycleShoesKai 4 месяца назад +3

    Defiant appears from worm hole....
    all covered in kill marks

  • @TheIrishRushin
    @TheIrishRushin 21 день назад

    2:13 That's a tier 4 weapon. Federation has good research labs to get them this early.

  • @ra6980
    @ra6980 2 месяца назад +4

    What always cracked me up about these battles is that space is 3 dimensional they could just warp down and then go straight and come back up lol.

    • @lyinarbaeldeth2456
      @lyinarbaeldeth2456 10 дней назад

      Sure, they could easily go around the Dominion fleet. Said fleet could also just as easily warp to head them off again, or engage them in a running skirmish all the way to DS9 and then hit their flanks while Starfleet is attacking the station.

  • @lyinarbaeldeth2456
    @lyinarbaeldeth2456 10 дней назад

    The Defiant and 3000 Dominion warships enter the wormhole... and only the Defiant comes out. No wonder Dukat lost it.

  • @hobbs1701a
    @hobbs1701a 5 месяцев назад +23

    When your plot armor is at 100%

    • @22steve5150
      @22steve5150 2 месяца назад +1

      add a game genie with all cheats activated

  • @karsaorlong4391
    @karsaorlong4391 5 месяцев назад +9

    If it wasn't for the worm hole aliens the Federation would have lost hard.

    • @Dr.Claw_M.A.D.
      @Dr.Claw_M.A.D. 4 месяца назад +2

      They nearly lost anyways.
      This miracle didn't end the war. The Dominion would be able to replace the ships and crews in a few months. In the meantime the Founders infiltrated Star Fleet, The Klingon empire maybe the Romulans as well. Lives of Jem Hadar, Vorta mean little to the Founders. Cardassians even less. The Breen were replacing the Cardassians anyway.
      Wonder if the Tholins would fare any better?
      But what of the Organians? Would they care if the Dominion took over the alpha quadrant or the Borg. Actually since the Q were detected by the Borg and even hindered by the Borg the Organians might be effected eventually by the Borg. Energy beings thou...

    • @benjaminstock5334
      @benjaminstock5334 3 месяца назад +1

      Or discovered the Gamma Quadrant in the first place, right?

    • @DIEGhostfish
      @DIEGhostfish 3 месяца назад

      @@Dr.Claw_M.A.D. The Borg hindered the Q? When? As for the Tholians apparently in betacanon they had a nonaggression pact and were VERY literal with it and even after the betrayal of Bajor and apparent* betrayal of the Romulans were continuing to hold to it, though increasing nonmilitary support to the alliance.
      (Faaaaaaaaaake)

    • @dhinton1
      @dhinton1 2 месяца назад

      There were a few instances where the AQ should have been in the Dominion's control.

    • @KH4444444444N
      @KH4444444444N Месяц назад

      Starfleet would win anyways. Section 31 guarantees it

  • @junkerpain251
    @junkerpain251 5 месяцев назад +2

    closure 😵 all i want is some closure from this show. They just left us all hanging 💔

    • @jbird976
      @jbird976 3 месяца назад

      Aaaah that’s just a flex from “big nerd” just to remind us all who’s in charge

  • @talkaboutwacky
    @talkaboutwacky Месяц назад

    It's about time the Prophets came through for Bajor!

  • @timburris3008
    @timburris3008 5 месяцев назад +3

    Time to start packing!

  • @TheSonyExperience
    @TheSonyExperience 5 месяцев назад +5

    Seems like preparing to fire is foolish. Should have enabled the self destruct and prepared to destroy the wormhole

    • @ArthurRex131
      @ArthurRex131 3 месяца назад +3

      By this point the wormhold had been heavily reinforced so that it was virtually indestructable. The Changeling Bashir had seen to that.

  • @burtonwilliams5355
    @burtonwilliams5355 4 месяца назад +2

    PEW! PEW! PEW! BING! BANG! BOOM! LORD, I LOVE A GREAT SPACE BATTLE! STAR TREK RULES!!!

  • @אדוארדרזנולביץ
    @אדוארדרזנולביץ 4 дня назад

    The kim kardashians😂😂😂😂

  • @Mark-cx7eh
    @Mark-cx7eh 5 месяцев назад +2

    Still waiting for them to re-release DS9 with all the usual clean up tech. I hope they are doing it. I'd pay.

    • @PulseXP-yo8wu
      @PulseXP-yo8wu 5 месяцев назад +1

      They did it with TNG and it cost too much so I don’t think they will do it with DS9 or Voyager. Which sucks because it would be cool to see those two shows in high definition

  • @LomavisaiLomavisai
    @LomavisaiLomavisai 2 месяца назад

    ❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤

  • @alankwok2210
    @alankwok2210 Месяц назад

    The right Bird of Prey lost a wing and crashed into the battleship and brought it down.

  • @JohnSmith-cb9hb
    @JohnSmith-cb9hb 3 месяца назад

    Image what everyone msut have been tbinking? Dont mess wirh the Sisko

  • @jonny-b4954
    @jonny-b4954 5 месяцев назад +2

    Why wouldn't they just warp out instead of engaging them? Like... just warp in to DS9 directly.

    • @pongnguy
      @pongnguy 5 месяцев назад

      I thought the same thing

    • @MD2389
      @MD2389 5 месяцев назад +7

      Because Admiral Holdo wasn't in command of the Defiant! ;)

    • @DIEGhostfish
      @DIEGhostfish 3 месяца назад

      Warp isn't like Hyperdrives. Ships can be pursued and destroyed while at warp.

  • @johnnytidoyjimenea480
    @johnnytidoyjimenea480 3 месяца назад

    Planets- oris-gordon-benorea-perida- zude-ering-hazil-hazul-tatoy -berhazil-

  • @holden88
    @holden88 5 месяцев назад +5

    I never understood the love for DS9. "Lets just have the wormhole magic the Dominion fleet away". Good grief.

    • @colinmontgomery1956
      @colinmontgomery1956 5 месяцев назад +3

      Thank you! The worst of the Trek series!

    • @pongnguy
      @pongnguy 4 месяца назад +4

      It was a good series overall. But simply wiping away the dominion fleet never sat well with me. Such a cop out.

    • @scottty795
      @scottty795 3 месяца назад +1

      Maybe go learn what happened?????

    • @holden88
      @holden88 3 месяца назад +2

      @scottty795 The wormhole magicked the enemy fleet away. That's exactly what happened. No learning can be done that makes that lazy, deus ex machina writing any good.

    • @ArthurRex131
      @ArthurRex131 3 месяца назад

      @@holden88 The prophets stopped the ships from exiting the wormhole at the request of their Emissary. Given they are non-linear beings with who knows what kinds of abilities, it's not unreasonable that they would be able to pull off such a feat. As for being a Deus Ex Machina? No. A Deus Ex Machina is a device that is used to resolve the plot that has no previous connection to the narrative. The prophets had been well established at this point and Sisko had finally begun to embrace his role as their Emissary. It doesn't fit the definition, given they've shown up numerous times in the past to affect the story in various ways, such as turning Zek into an overly generous nice guy when he stumbled upon them.

  • @john-lenin
    @john-lenin 5 месяцев назад +5

    Let's add some weird metaphysical stuff. No one will notice we stole it verbatim from Babylon 5.

    • @develynseether4426
      @develynseether4426 4 месяца назад

      Such as?

    • @Bounty8472
      @Bounty8472 4 месяца назад +3

      The braindamage is fully displyed by your avatar.. you dont need to say anything lol..