Spoiler alert: They weren't going to promote you anyway. They're going to promote the owner's nephew who comes in late, gets high at lunch and leaves early while you work unpaid overtime.
Personally i would rather not make more if that meant i worked the hours as per my contract. I get exhausted after 8h regardless of how much i get done.
"I think working only 8 hours a day says a lot about your commitment to this company." "And I think deliberately understaffing says a lot about management's commitment to this company."
I hate when they even bring up “commitment to a company” because no. People go to work for a paycheck and if they get a better offer somewhere else, they’ll go where their work is most valued. Acting like employees need to be committed to their employer is ridiculous. It’s the type of thing that management will say when they want to guilt you into overworking yourself to increase company profits while your pay stays the same. It’s just like when they say, “We’re a family.” 🙄
This is so f*cking True, happen to my curent work place. They want everything to be smooth sailing, but noway that going to happen. When my division pointed out that the problem is "WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH MAN POWER" the management always say, "We WON'T be increasing your Divison man Power, I don't care how but your division have to do with it."
A lot of that understaffing isn't because of the managers you work with, but their boss's orders. This might be just more in the type of work I do, but labor budget screws over scheduling managers so hard. It gets really tricky when you are only allowed to schedule 2 when you really need 3 or 4. Next time you go to a restaurant and you are wondering why your food is taking so long on only a moderate rush, that'd almost certainly be the reason.
I've had 2 dogs from birth to death in my life so far. Currently on my 3rd. None of them were blindly loyal. I always had to earn it. As the company should earn my loyalty.
I would still email her and HR a summary of the conversation, along with the fact she said there'd be consequences. That's intimidation/extortion and attempted wage theft. ETA: I'm amazed at how many people in the comments, who statistically speaking are most likely employees themselves, are telling their fellow workers to shut up and suck it up instead of fighting for their rights. I got 6 months' back pay and a pay increase by standing up for my rights in the workplace. I would have received nothing at all if I'd followed the advice of all these negative ninnies. People can do what they want for their own situations with my suggestion, but fear mongering other people into staying silent when being exploited is really gross. Like crabs in a bucket trying to pull the other crabs down who are trying to get out. Disgusting. Forget these people who tell you there's nothing you can do about it. Talk to your state AG. Learn your rights, and where to go to get help. Ditch your job if that's your best or only option, whatever. But don't let yourself be a doormat.
@@alexmendez3681 while its true HR is on the side of company management generally, it doesn't always follow that they will use it against you. For one thing, this particular manager may be taking it upon him/her self to ask you to work off the clock, etc. It may not be directed from on high, so, ultimately, the manager may be doing something shady without the knowledge of his/her higher-ups. In that case, and/or if that particular manager isn't well-liked or has a history of complaints, HR may find it in the company's best interest to reprimand the manager, and find in your favor (This situation happened to me in real life: that's how I know). For another thing, it's in writing, which is documentary evidence that can be used in court. You keep a copy. If they use it to lay you off, you can use it as evidence of retaliation, and the company can get in serious trouble, particularly if you're in contact with other disgruntled (former?) employees (think class action lawsuit). State Attorneys General are good places to start if you want more information about filing labor, civil and constitutional rights violations against employers, housing managers, etc.
@@comandantegorrion7271 Sure. I just hope it worth to t. Both HR and the manager will team up. Not sure if it’s worth putting your career in jeopardy. You just have to weigh pros and cons.
@@alexmendez3681HR is only on the side of the manager until the manager does something illegal as fuck and gets caught. Then they're on whichever side doesn't get the company sued out of existence.
@@jsmall10671 well clip is specific to an hourly employee. As for salaried workers, they need to establish value in themselves when they accept being a salaried employee
@jsmall10671 it should. Salaried employees still have a work day and a work week is 40 hours unless otherwise specified. To be EXPECTED to work outside of your salaried hours is unethical, but you have to prove it which is why she asked to record the call
Had a manager once tell me that no one saw me come in at 8am but they saw me leave at 5pm, and that I would never get promoted working hours like that. She also told me I should move closer to the office (I lived twenty miles away, outside the city) so I could stay late. I told her no and kept my hours. I did get promoted - into her job - and she is no longer with the company.
Fantastic! You deserve it! I had a job abd my commute was 42 miles one way. That was a two + hour drive each way. It was suggested that I move closer. I wasn't paid enough to move closer. I lived where I could afford to live within my means.
My boss would walk through the office at 5:30pm and made sure that everyone signed off and went home at the end of the day. It's crazy how certain work culture like that doesn't translate into other places.
I work in retail. HR tells us how important it is to not log in early/log out late for a shift. If we do have to work overtime, we have to send an email to let them know. Otherwise they get into trouble.
@@Leenapanther Sounds like hourly employees. It's huge liability for the company when hourly employees work overtime because if the company doesn't pay them time and a half for it then it is a potential lawsuit. I can't imagine this ever happening for salaried employees.
And in Austria there's _laws_ (not as in union, but actual federal laws) against long working hours, and companies can be fined large amounts if their co-workers do not comply. So every company begs people to not work more hours as it can hurt the company.
never forget that you are a replaceable, interchangeable human resource that is only slightly more valued than the raw resources that are shipped in from the warehouse, and then only because of the costs involved in the hiring process itself. don't sacrifice yourself or your family for your company. i have worked at many companies over the years. some tried to "be my friend", some tried to be that one company that wasn't like the others. in the end, they all ended up the same. some were just less honest about it. don't be fooled. you work to make money. that's it. don't let anybody trick you into thinking it is anything else.
It's terrifying that adult people need something so obvious be told.... But then again, american dream right😂😂😂 I'm so happy I don't live there... And to think I wanted to move to us😂😂😂
I worked with the public for many years. A popular tactic of bosses was to ensure that instructions that might bring public complaint remained verbal. For pretty apparent reasons. I always replied in writing, promising to obey those instructions to the letter - just as soon as I received a signed hard copy. Those hard copies never, ever, materialized...
I had a supervisor that would make me stay late so that he could stand there and berate me, constantly walked by my office in order to harass me, and would lecture me at every given moment. I started recapping our discussions in emails to ensure I got his "clarification" and sent them to him, his supervisor, and my union. He stopped that pretty quickly after that.
“your commitment to this company” is always such a funny phrase, you can and should have loyalty and commitment to your team and managers, but the company itself doesn’t deserve any of that, they’ll drop you so fast whenever they want and they really dgaf bc almost everyone is replaceable
I'll never forget how my cousin's father used to go on and on about company loyalty and how they'll do right by him after all the years he worked for them (25 years). He got a massive wake up call when he was among their layoffs and they fought tooth and nail not to pay him (and several others) what was owed. Large corporations don't give two shits about you. They care about what you offer them.
Being friends with the bosses and higher ups is what gets you promoted. Working longer and harder just convinces them to force you to work even longer and harder still. For no reward.
This is not true. It may appear that way but it isn't. You'll find that "being friends" is just a way to gain knowledge of how things work in whatever environment you're in.
Nah that's pretty much how it works. Meritocracy doesn't actually exist. Most of the CEO's are the children of the people who built the company and they've done nothing to earn their place and that has absolutely dictated most corporate policies. @@sirianofmorley
me to my manager: "You've been stuck in your current position as long as I've been with the company. How's YOUR prospect of promotion looking with all these extra hours you're working?"
Although the boss may think they are set for life in their current role. They have already hit the ceiling yet the mindset is to stay at the job until they are asked to leave. This was one reason I didn’t stay on the job for the 3rd year. There was no chance of promotion until the boss had retired (& was unlikely to in the near future).
How to professionally say : "I see that you yourself give up many hours of your own time without further compensation, and yet you have been in the same role for some time. I appear to be missing the dynamic of how your proposed approach functions for a benefit of all parties, not just the company. Could you further enlighten me?"
As a manager, I would reapond with, yes And I get to keep this cushy easy job for putting in the time while other positions rotate. Lol. You are working hard in the event of a lay off. 😊
I once did the extra hours, extra effort thing. My reward: Tried to apply for a different higher level job. Got a letter from management saying I was so useful in my current role that any further attempts to apply for a different job would be automatically blocked. Edit: Left that place for a promotion that paid $70k more a year.
So many bosses, managers and supervisors across so many industries don't F'ing understand that 1) unless it's like a literal charity or something each employee is ultimately working to improve their own lives not just to help further the company's goals and b) if someone puts in exceptional effort and loyalty they deserve to be rewarded for that Edit: Fixed 3 spelling errors.
Be careful if you’re in a right to work state, they can legally fire you for any reason EDIT: This comment was streamlined info that is overtly simplified. Of course federal law always trumps state law, that goes without saying.
Not a correction but a clarification, At will state or not, they can fire for any reason doesnt mean its a good idea to fire for any reason. If the reason is found unlawful, they basically lose any lawsuit against them. Especially when OP can and would record a receipt.
@@goeticfolklore Not any reason. There's still certain things they can't fire you for and if you have proof of them having a potential reason for firing you for one of those issues then you could still sue. This is why you always record these kinds of conversations or always get stuff in writing when it comes to employment. If they fire you for a reason that is legally valid but you have proof that it's a possible bit of retaliation in one way or another then you have a case
@@goeticfolkloreMan those corporate overlords did a good job convincing everyone that right to work states means they are still legally bound by things like anti discrimination laws.
The "start recording" and "write an email" cards are mostly conversation enders. And not even in this topic, always remember - when you feel something is off, request that written for future reference. It's a golden rule. I'm pretty new to this but already slipped a few times on this. Learned the lesson.
At my previous job when asked to "come in to the office" ( where there no witnesses to conversation ) I would say "sure, I will be as soon as I get my phone so I can record the interaction.." it would mostly be - oh no it's fine another time...( I also had a pen camera which I would use for coverage )
Honestly I think employers should be a little crafty whenever handling this. I don't demand extra from my employees. As long as they are doing the job at the level that I expect then I'm not going to disturb their work or process. I certainly am not interested in promoting them though. I don't promote anybody that doesn't have at least some sort of vested interest in the company or their own growth
@@cheyenne11114 That's how it goes. If they don't work extra, then don't promote them. Not threaten like in the vid for not putting in extra. Sure they'll leave after 2-3 years to job hop and get a promotion and pay raise through that, but at least that's down the line.
I had a manager once tell me exactly this. In his defense, I was working as one of the software engineers and I clocked out at 5pm every day to give gym lessons. I'd pick up work in the evenings, usually. But I was also the company owner. Not the CEO, but the one and only owner of the company. I hired the CEO to do that job because I hated it. So I kindly told the manager that the CEO approves of it fully. He checked. The CEO had to giggle while he explained to the manager who I actually was. It has been 2 years since that moment and they all still work with me ;)
@@dylannagy226A lot of small company owners would be better served by hiring an experienced executive that isn’t them to handle the day to day. I’d like to think that the managers would know who owns the company though….
Whenever my boss notices i have more hours build up then the hours that are in my contract she tells me to make sure i have enough time to spend with my family. All my "overhours" are payed out at the end of the month without issues and she always says she loved having me around but she used to feel shitty about always being at work and she wants to make sure we all spend enough quality time with our loved ones. Shes a fantastic boss and i adore her dearly. She says she believes that happy and taken care of employees make a business thrive and shes right.
This has actually been proven, but few companies bother to take it into consideration. Happy employees are much more motivated to give 100% to the job while they are at work. People who are treated poorly by their employers usually give the bare minimum they can get away with and still keep their jobs.
If you’re a person who actually encounters this and you stand your ground, you need to send a email after outlining what was talked about. That way if they never promote you or something, you have something to reference back to. Most managers would 100% silently retaliate at this point.
Well yes they would and will. No one wants a lazy person on their team. This is why companies have got to fire the people that don’t show up to the office. We all know people working from home are watching tv and out walking their dog. When they should be working. But if people want to work from home them make them contractors. This way you don’t have to offer any benefits and can fire with 0 notice.
@@MyHairIsAlive I think it’s a good thing employees want money. Pay them well but demand top performance. Nothing wrong with that. A lot of this problems will solve themselves once companies crack the whip and make everyone come back into the office. But if they want to work from home just have them a contractor. This way they can walk their dog and watch their kids and do all the things they are doing while they should be working. And the company can fire them at anytime and not have to worry about giving them a severance package. It’s a win for everyone.
Just remember, this kind of bosses are usually the ones who sold their soul to the company and just hopes everyone else does the same so they don't feel that ruining their only marriage they'll ever have is justified
I had a boss like this. Once while sitting at our desks quietly, she just says, "oh. It's my anniversary today. Maybe I'll get him a card." And went back to work. I asked how long and she said 27 years. Like, ma'am?? Just bc corp only ever gives you a pre-signed card annually doesn't mean your husband of nearly 3 decades deserves that!
This is the normal boss. Their goal is and under capitalism will always be short term gains. Have employees work as much as possible for as little pay as possible. Try to get rid of any social safety nets and keep a steady flow of unemployment to keep desperation and willingness to work shitty jobs high and keep salaries low. The only reasonable raise I ever had was when I just quit my job and even then you're still being exploited as you're employed to make money off of your work and not give you your fair share.
It very clearly says coworker not boss but you go ahead and go off about your boss that hired you and gave you a chance just for you to be a lazy ass who complains about the job your agreed to do
Because they don't want you to, they want you to give your entire being to the company like a mindless robot so they can make more money for themselves while paying you a pittance.
Even if I don't have a life and just want to go watch paint dry, it shouldn't matter. Work hours are set and should be respected if they aren't paying me extra.
I had a boss who would do something similar, except in her case it was to give me verbal instructions, and when I completed the task it was sent to my boss with a note about how I'd "ignored her instructions". So I finally started sending an email to her with a recap of her instructions. One day she apparently forgot because I had her and the owner at my cubicle chewing me out for ignoring her instructions _again_. I whipped out the email and showed it to the owner, along with her reply that I was correct in what she was asking for. Lots of hemming and hawing about how I'd "misstated" what she'd told me so I asked, "Then why did you reply that I'd gotten the directions correct?"
@@sydneylawson484 10-15% of the human population has cluster b personality disorders(npd, aspd, histrionic, bpd). All of these are prone to emotional abuse, with aspd being more prone to physical abuse. I'm sure you can extrapolate from that how it damages society.
I had a similar situation. I was IT, so could generally set my own hours. I decided to work 7am to 4pm. Never missed a deadline and work was always top notch. One day my manager asked why I left every day at 4pm. I explained my hours. She said she stayed until 6pm every night. I then told her that she comes in at 9am every day, so by me coming in 2 hours before her, meant that I could leave 2 hours before her. Seems math was difficult for her...she did not understand.
I have coworkers that are like this!! I come to work at about 8:30 evvery day and they are so pissed being like well we are here since 7 am, why are you always so late??? But I stay until 4:30 every day, staying at work full 8 hours. I wonder what they would do if I started whining about how they always leave so early...
Gosh this makes me love my manager so much. She lectures me when I work a full 40 hour week and tells me I need to be idle more so I don’t get headaches 😂
Your ability to portray a person in charge is incredible. It boils my blood every time I watch your videos. But obviously the best part is when an employee destroys them each time 😅
I’ll never stop being grateful for my boss. I was planning on staying late to finish a contract and he came in to talk to someone, saw I was still there, and told me to head out and enjoy my weekend. He’s always made sure we go home if sick, can work from home when needed, and to respect our boundaries as well as fighting for us to get raises. He’s great.
What we see in this comment is a textbook example of a healthy work life. Employees who are respected not only work harder, but give back the same respect as well. Show that you care for your workers in the ways that count and they will do the same. Always pay them what they’re worth and respect them. Do that and you’ll have amazing workers that are also your friends
Literally had this conversation. My answer to "why are you leaving at 5" was "I like my family." And I was already looking for another job because let's face it, this was not the only thing wrong with the company.
@@darren871 not your bootlicking ass under everyone who doesn’t want to get taken advantage of by a company’s comments. Why would they promote you if you’re doing extra work when they can keep you at a lower paying position while still doing the amount of work of a higher level position?
@@darren871 Lol so you can perform exceptionally but it only matters if you’re willing to give time without pay? Pay your workers and stop making excuses for your greedy to broke ass company
I'm always telling people at my work; If someone isn't willing to put it in writing or have it recorded, they believe what they're saying will get them in trouble.
No not true at all. People in corporate use recorded statements to escalate situations and lie on record. A corporate boss will tell you one thing in person and say another once you agree to do a statement with them. It's a way to cover themselves. I try to never do recorded statements as every time I've done one my boss has lied on record. I mention how they change their story and they have no comment or just lie more and say I'm making stuff up or misunderstanding the situation. The recorded statement is bullshit. And everyone puts on a facade when emailing. It's all a corporate game of fucking you over fir personal gain.
@@DA-nk6gx recorded statements are the only proof you'll ever have someone said a thing. If they're willing to say one thing when it isn't recorded and then say something else on paper or on a recording, oh well. But once there's a record of what's been said, they're gonna have to stick to it, because there's now a record. You're also proving my point while claiming it isn't true.
@@DA-nk6gx i mean, your argument is that you shouldn't keep records of anything and make it a war of "he said she said". Which means you have no evidence of anything at all, so how are you meant to defend yourself against anything at all? You can't. You literally cannot, and without the records, no one is ever going to take your side.
I am in the same but backwards situation. My boss insists that we work as long as she is. But in my case, she refuses to work past 5 or on weekends. In her and my opinion, missing deadlines is a matter of poor planning, bad time management, or unrealistic expectations...not a lack of hours in a typical work week.
I would keep working the extra hours and put a little call in to the Department of Labor. They don't like people not getting paid for their hours worked. My sister did this at a place she worked at and they came in and investigated and made the company pay everyone back pay. Tens of thousands of dollars. Plus a fine.
I love your videos helping people set boundaries or get out of a toxic company… it’s funny when I left a company who had this kind of mentality I remember seeing my boss’s disappointment & feeling like I failed. Then I started my current company (been with them almost 4 years now) & my chief officer walked by to leave for the day at 6. When he saw I was still there he told me to go home, my day was done. The next day he came over to tell me that he knows I’m a go-getter & he doesn’t want to see me burn myself out. I still remember the feeling of “oh THIS is what a boss is supposed to be like”
Yes, LEADERSHIP means LEADING.... from the FRONT. Setting a Good example. Pushing from behind is NOT Leadership. Working for free is not the same as volunteering your time and resources, and is an example of Bad leadership.
Of course companies would just call videos like this "quiet quitting" to put the onus on the worker and make us look like WE'RE the lazy, unmotivated, entitled assholes. NEVER give in to your manager if you know you're in the right!
I has something similar happen once. This HR woman in charge of the trainees (which I was one of at the time) asked me why I always left about an hour earlier than my fellow trainee, maybe cause I also start two hours earlier. She just looked at the times we clicked out. Not the time we work total or when we start.
I've stopped asking to record and started learning who to record very VERY quickly. If you forgot to record the conversation, be sure to send them an email detailing the conversation so there is a paper trail. It is at this moment they can try to correct things. This means they either accept what is on the email OR this gives you a second chance at recording them. Win-win.
@@arcticfox037 Teams informs everyone when the call is being recorded. I'm not clear if that's enough to constitute consent, but telling you they're recording and letting you hang up if you don't like it seems to be good enough for customer service call centers.
@@arcticfox037Cannot be used in court. Does not mean one cannot share with HR, one's direct supervisor or a Federal Agency - even if it's never introduced in court.
@@arcticfox037as far as states go California, Delaware, Florida, Illinois, Maryland, Massachusetts, Montana, Nevada, New Hampshire, Pennsylvania and Washington are the states that require both parties according to Google. Otherwise, I think only 1 party has to consent.
You only need ONE person's consent to record a conversation: YOURS. You have the Right to record any conversation you are a part of. No one can claim a right to the expectation of privacy, as they are not alone in the conversation. There are some very limited exceptions, but in general you can record any conversation you are a part of. Also, when asking for something in writing, just casually ask them to send you an email, note, text, etc explaining the rules or whatever, for your reference so you can study them and learn them. Just tell them you don't always remember these types of things and you want to get it right. ;)
@@claytonwhitman2611 in the United Kingdom, it is legal to record phone calls as long as you have the consent of the other party to the conversation according to the GDPR (General Data Protection Regulation).
@@claytonwhitman2611 That only works if you are in a "Single Party" state. In many states, you MUST have the consent of both parties, or you can actually go to jail. There was a case of a child recording his bullies, and he played the recording to the principal at school, to prove that he was being bullied. The principal handed the kid over to the police, and he was arrested and sent to juvie. The bullies were not even reprimanded, because "there was no proof." True story. Poor kid lived in the WRONG STATE.
@@AuntLoopy123 Negative. You are ALWAYS within your rights to record if you have a reason to believe it will provide evidence of a crime. That's Federal.
Best thing to do in that case is to send am email, bullet-pointing each of the points of the conversation and requesting clarifications. For example: "- During our call, you stated that my working within my contracted times and hours says a lot about my commitment to the company and would have long-term consequences, especially regarding promotions. I would like to request some clarification as to what consequences would occur as a result of logging between X and Y, as per my contract." Additionally if you have a video call log, screenshot it and send the image to a personal email. All of this creates a paper trail that leaves the onus on the employers to prove it didn't happen.
Im so glad I live somewhere where i can record conversations without the other parties consent. I record every call with any employer or landlord. Just asking if you can record the call, and asking for this request to be in writing, could be enough to upset the employer into retaliation. And you cant prove it, because you didn't get it in writing or record it! Instead, follow up with an email and reference the key points of the discussion, so you have some kind of evidence of what was said. For example: "regarding what you said earlier about my only working eight hours and that this would prevent me from any promotions in the future, I would be happy to renegotiate my hours. I'll also need my compensation renegotiated." This would allow you to naturally bring up what was said while also bringing up a way to resolve the issue and getting it in writing so you can use it as evidence if they ever try to retaliate illegally.
The only times I worked late was if I was alone in my department during holidays, or I accidentally answered the phone secs before leaving. Grateful for a culture where we almost kick each other out at 16 or whatever our working hours are. Never been threatened by a colleague or boss.
I assume since you said 16 you meant 1600 or 4pm. I worked for years in the defense industry with many ex-military. Most were great, but several couldn't get the working hours thing out of their head. It was more important to be visible than it was to get actual work done. Sheeesh!
@@asadb1990people work on holidays, you know like if you stop and get gas or want to get a bite to eat while travelling. Yeah, all those people are working holidays
One of my favorite things to be told was at my last hourly job: “we expect you to start working more than 8-5 in order to make the store successful, but you will not be getting paid for any overtime”. As an HOURLY employee
@atkaschaand forcing or threating employees will get the company sued, and HR won’t let that happen lol it’s their job to prevent dumbass supervisors from getting them into legal shitstorm
@@RexOedipus.Not if they're on a Salary like most corporate jobs are, and since she says my contracted hours that means she's probably on a fixed rate salary.
@@mitchhifi9192 America is fucking grim man. We have salaried jobs but there's an hourly rate that you pay if the worker goes overtime. And this is from a shit 3rd world country. How do you have worse labour laws than a third world country?
if I had this confidence in myself, I wouldn't be healing of my torn achilles tendon now. Not everybody is prepared to answer this kind of attacks so perfectly , calmly, confidently, surely, well seated, professionally, well spoken, zero nervous, and not even glitched one millisecond. You are close to Superman, Superwoman, and you are my hero. I wish I could have your confidence. Cheers ! Pablo.
Perfect is hard. But I've learned to practice a lot - like a dozen times twice a day for a week. I do it in front of a mirror usually with a general script. I've found it really helps my nerves before interviews & speeches.
Maybe you shouldn't talk about things that you know nothing about. Most corporate employees are hourly non exempt, meaning you can work as many hours as you need to in order to get your job done. If that means 80 hour weeks twice a month, too bad. Corporate employees also don't have unions. Having worked with a Union before, I will never work with one again anyway. They are completely useless unless your work environment is just that bad. They're just there to make money off of you.
@@Ma_Zhongying No, because I don't see the value. I haven't been in such a bad work environment to ever warrant the need for a union. In terms of white collar jobs, I think the only people who should even consider unionization are software/game developers because their jobs are inherently painful. But even then the fact that there haven't been unions formed in those fields kinda shows that there might not be that much desire for a union, anyway.
@@bohemianraptorsy7025Are you seriously not aware that employers in America vigorously root out any efforts to unionize and retaliate against employees who attempt to do so (even though it's technically "illegal", they get around that easily). Much like how they're required to give a legitimate cause for firing employees (in most places), but easily fabricate a justification for why they did so as opposed to their actual motivations, because workers in America have very little recourse in most situations? You sound like they've so successfully conditioned and made you subservient that you have no idea the ways in which they've taken advantage of you. It's like Stockholm syndrome or something, wow. The reason so few workplaces/fields in America are unionized is because the American legislators, regulators, and Judges are motivated by funding from these industries and employers (on and off the books). How are you so naive?
Had a mental wellness speaker at a corporate event recently. He said we should not be working lots of stressful overtime and then 10 minutes later said how leaving at 5 on the dot can destroy team morale if all your co-workers stay late. Mixed signals much?
@@JeremiahLOsborne you’re obviously someone with no life to think this 😅 any bad job or career would want you to give up your life for them. There are plenty careers out there where you don’t have to give up on personal life. But then again usually people who have nothing to live for would expect other people to waste there life away working more then what they were supposed to or contracted to.
and they're equally as harsh/strict on the opposite end. If you dare leave 5 minutes early or come 5 minutes late its a whole situation, but then they have issues/concerns if you leave on the dot and not 30 mins extra.
@@theecowarriorz Bro 1 of the job I worked at(and wanna work again) we enter and exit the work site on clock. Althought the site has 2 shift groups that switches every 12 hours
This is one of the reasons they hate us working from home. Everything can be recorded or has a paper trail and it makes it easier for you to catch them and prove it when they do something unethical or even illegal.
@@Karlswebbliterally working a job that averages 13-14 hours a night, 6 days a week. Warehouses are slavery, have to hit a production % as well no matter how long the shifts are or you get written up and fired. These jobs are very much still a thing and not only in the past
@@tristinsherrill9261Are you forced to work there? No. Are you compensated for hours worked? Yes. Learn what slavery is. You could quit the job but you don't want to. IT IS NOT SLAVERY. Quit using terms like that to over exaggerate your situation.
I love how it's not Brenda. She doesn't deserve to be the face of all evil. After all, not everyone is so good nor so bad - she is just crazy for a promo (and aren't most of us?😂)
Brenda has learned to respect other people's boundaries. AND Brenda is now learning to respect herself, and set boundaries for herself! Thank you, Momma Donna, you are the best!
loyalty no longer pays. in some few cases it will but that's so rare that it's best to put that loyalty to yourself first as that'll pay you back more than ANYTHING ever could.
My boss is exactly like this. He once told me as he watched most of the people walking out at 5:01 "Ya know, that's just why they'll never get ahead." which kinda broke my heart considering a good portion of them are honestly some of the most hard working people during work hours and most of their duties never have time limits that would require them to stay late.
I was written up by my supervisor at my last job for leaving at end of my shift on Saturdays. He said, and this is a direct quote, "as soon as it hits 5, you are out the door leaving the rest of us here." Uh......my shift ends at 5. Everyone else came in later and were scheduled til 8.
You probably deserved it. You probably were in the middle of a task and clocked out without telling anyone. There is always more to the story. I really don't care what you say, you are always going to slant it to be poor you because you obviously felt you did no wrong. Being in a race to get out the door exactly at your schedule time is a problem, I don't understand how we got to this point. Sure you shouldn't be taken advantage of and have to work 30 mins-1hr+ extra but if it takes an extra 2 minutes to finish a task or inform someone you are leaving, you should. Especially if it isn't going to put you into OT, you are still going to get paid for those 2 mins.
@@brianatkinson8164 Not when your company expressly forbids overtime and your manager changes your time clocked out to make sure you don't have overtime .
@brianatkinson8164 what the fuck do you know about it? The supervisor was pissed because it meant he had to do his job. I never left work unfinished. I stayed over plenty of times to take care of tasks I was in the middle of. I was well into overtime just working my scheduled shifts. My shift ended at 5 the entire almost 3 years I worked there. It was no secret that I was leaving at 5 because I told everyone long before I left. None of the other employees had a problem with it because I never left them in a lurch. He was pissed because he wanted to wander off and hide all damn day to avoid doing his actual job. I worked every morning by myself from 8am til almost 3pm despite him being there at 11am everyday. He clocked in, dropped off his stuff and vanished. Nobody knew where the hell he was all day.
@@brianatkinson8164sometimes people have to leave at the exact time because the last bus is 5:05 and if you stay 2 minutes longer, you miss the bus and then what? You expect the person to walk for 2 hours to get home or use up their whole day's pay to take a taxi, working for free? THINK before you post your judgement.
I use to work off the clock to get as much done as possible and my boss pulled me aside and said how much she appreciates my commitment and hard work but i need to take time for myself and when I clock out, I just need to shift my focus to my family because she doesn’t want me to get burnt out. I love my boss!
Opposite for me, was doing 50 hours a week because we work on a per contract basis and my boss would assume i worked 20 hours, because he wasn't in the office to monitor me if truly worked 40 he claimed. Started doing 20 hours a week, because what's the point of always going beyond when he made that remark to me 3 times.
Lol as an engineer if this happened I would immediatly start looking for work elsewhere, if I hadn't already. Next time this bs is spoken in my presence I make it clear that there is no such thing as "company loyalty", and that if they refuse to treat me appropriately or give me a raise to match the offers I've recieved from others I would be resigning immediatly. That should shut them up 😅
Well most states employees are “at will” workers so they can fire u even if ur the best employee ever . Ur entitled to resign immediately. You hv to look at ur contract to see if u need to give notice before u resign. At any rate my whole pt is ppl need to know their state labor laws bc if you do then you know what they can’t and can do and know what contracts ur signing .
making them accountable for what they say is the only way to get them off your back. The funny thing is, they often later realize how tough you are and offer you more respect and sometimes, even friendship they can never form with someone else. Happened to me.
I just got one of these talks. I got the *exact* same response when I said "do you mind if I record this, or would you prefer to put that in writing?" silence.
When I was salaried, I worked at two establishments that would literally either remote disconnect me or if I was at the office they would drag me away 😂. Fridays at 4:45 they would play: we want the weekend and hand beers out in the food lounge. 🙌
My coworker is a workaholic. He lived alone and genuinely loved his work. He'll happily camp in the office if he could get away with it. And we can see our boss actually contemplating to bodily drag him out every day 😂😂
@@GanchiPlansJust say whenever someone calls you that they are being recorded. Their decision to continue with the call after that is consent to being recorded once they know it is occurring. And if you always say it, they may not think anything of it and you can catch them out being disgusting
@@GanchiPlans Some jurisdictions are two party and will still allow recording protecting you legally to be admissible evidence. Alternatively, submit transcripts rather than the recording. Check first with lawyer, I don't know the laws of your jurisdiction.
@@GanchiPlans Depending upon your company's policies, there is NO expectation of privacy when using company resources. Most policies state this explicitly.
@@damianwright3690 when they started sending me text and calling me on my personal phone I informed h.r. that I was recording each and every conversation I had regarding work. Whenever I was told to get on a computer at work because of emails I was sent I told them forward it to me
It sounds laughable when it you say it with no filters or sugar coating but thats essentially what they're saying. When it is point blank you realise how manipulative it is.
@@darren871 lol your assumption makes their point. You’re assuming they are doing the bare minimum, when many put their aabolute best effort forward, but you sold a certain amount of labor hours to the company. If they think your labor is exceptional it is on THEM to compensate you for the increased work they want to ask you for. Your time is just as valuable as any other tangible asset, if they need to pay for toilet paper they need to pay you for your work and promotions tied solely to no “extra” time are a show of bad managers not even bad companies. Some people are just stuck in their old ways lll
@@darren871 Why would I even want a promotion in a shitty company that employs an unprofessional, toxic asshole as my manager? I'll be gone in 2-3 years anyway, fuck that company!
@atkascha Give consent to record what they've said&typed? Maybe they should consider first on what to say if they fear so much the consequences of their own actions.
I would love to see one of these where you start questioning the supervisor or manager about the family time that they've missed. My daughter was friends with my managers daughter. She always missed her daughter's parties and events finally one day I refused to do overtime and when she asked why I said because our daughters have a party, aren't you going? It was almost like I slapped her across the face. The change was remarkable.
Had a boss who got hired as an 18 year old to be pretty much the mini boss of the YMCA pool. He was not qualified and one day I got scheduled for Sunday which isn’t usual for me. After talking to the lifeguards I found out that he had been leaving 3 hours before he was scheduled to leave which was 6. We close at 5:30 and me and him were scheduled to clock off at 6 while the other two lifeguards clock off at 5:30 (he always closes on Sunday but apparently never did). He would leave at 3 and force the girls to work past 5:30 which isn’t what the schedule said and I’m pretty sure he would be paid for it. I had to pretty much fight him and contact our boss to keep him there lol. I was like, I’m leaving at the end of the summer so the least I can do is shut down his actions when i see them 😂
This is a conversation difference between someone who is paid hourly and a someone paid on a huge salary with bonuses when the grunts hit unrealistic deadlines early for free.
My friend earns a good salary with bonuses that basically amount to my annual wages, but she still manages to work 9 to 5. Only does the occasional overtime work as needed.
I think pulling in a few extra hours on occasion for a deadline or emergency isn't outrageous. But then they should return the favour when you need to go to the dentist or some other similar reason (again, on occasion). A relationship based on trust and mutual respect is more important than exact rules. Sadly companies that abuse this and expect you to be flexible every single day is really bad.
So important you know what to say in situations like this at work. Other wise people will unfortunately take advantage of you almost everytime. Thanks for teaching us how to communicate well at work!
Bingo. Everyone in the comments section showing how they "rock" like the character in the video did. That's not reality. No one likes to share how much they appreciate the advice.
This is why I am a freelance contractor.... Screw being a corporate slave.. I bill them 4 times what I used to get paid and they dont want me working a second past 5
Same here, I left the corporate brothel 13 years ago and never looked back, Now that I have been an SME in my field for over 20+ years I decide what gigs I want and how much I want per hour (just a hint, always north of $120/hr) I also have the luxury of just hiding from the workforce for 2-3 months at a time just to chill, relax and do things I wanna do which is mostly sleep. I like to sleep so if I can get 2-3 months worth of sleep I will do it, god knows I lost a lot of it in my late teens to late 30's
Such a polarizing difference between jobs. My current salary job I do end up working 10-12 most days mainly because there is so much to do and I’m still very much learning. Meanwhile my manager gets on my case to close the laptop and leave 🤣. It can be done in 8, I’m just not fast enough yet 🤣
I straight up told my boss I need more to do because I keep sitting at my computer bored during my “shift” (I’m salaried so don’t actually have a set schedule but you know how that is). He said if I run out of things and it’s not like noon or earlier, just head out for the day. Granted this was after he told me he had been told by other staff who were reading my work that I was doing an incredible job, so he knows I’m still doing really quality work, I’m just new so don’t have a lot on my plate yet.
@@anonymouscausewhynot it definitely helps that I’m new enough that I just don’t have a lot of duties yet. But also, our customers are seasonal and my main duties will start up during the off season when we can make major feature changes without risking shutting down the software
@@mikehurt3290 one of my first jobs was at Universal Florida I worked my normal shift and the was working that night as crowd control on the Mardi Gras parade. When my shift was done one of the managers was was literally begging anyone to stay to work crowd control for the concert. So I said I would stay. I went 1/2 hour into OT and got yelled at about it the next day. Keep mind this was the 90s and I was probably making less then $10 an hour so I was being yelled at for about less then eight dollars 💵
My colleagues do this sometimes as well, but in Sweden if you choose to work late, you get your hours put into a time bank and you can take those out later to work fewer hours or even take days or weeks off without using vacation days. You can also choose to have them paid. If you are told to stay late, then you get overtime which is 150% salary or hours for your bank. Unionize Americans, you'll love it.
Totally agree. Don't give up your personal time for corporate America. They will let you down every time. No wage in crease, no notice layoffs, etc. etc. You are just a number that is expendable
Spoiler alert: They weren't going to promote you anyway. They're going to promote the owner's nephew who comes in late, gets high at lunch and leaves early while you work unpaid overtime.
True! Seem it first hand!
Why would they promote someone who would cost them more to replace aka who’s working for three.
(Yes there is a later video about this)
@@LittleMaitea honey, employers care more for their f**cked-up blood relatives than they do “the company.”
if theres a company that promises promotions but everyone in management has the same last name, better run for those hills!
I usually was one hour late and finished work at regular time but it's not america😂
"if you want me to work more than my contracted hours, we will have to renegotiate my compensation package"
Personally i would rather not make more if that meant i worked the hours as per my contract. I get exhausted after 8h regardless of how much i get done.
PERIOD
I totally agree I use to log off at 1pm i worked 9 to 1 and my boss was like u log off at 1 exactly I was riding public transit
Moist eloquently said. Well done
that's what the work bestie would say.
"i work until 9pm most days" sounds like a you problem
Sounds like someone needs coaching on time management.
"I thought slavery was abolished"
Salary can be a trap.
Why are so many people so proud of the fact that they have no lives outside of work?
"Sorry to hear that you have trouble managing your workload."
"I think working only 8 hours a day says a lot about your commitment to this company."
"And I think deliberately understaffing says a lot about management's commitment to this company."
I think only paying the agreed upon salary says a lot about managements commitment to their employees.
I hate when they even bring up “commitment to a company” because no. People go to work for a paycheck and if they get a better offer somewhere else, they’ll go where their work is most valued. Acting like employees need to be committed to their employer is ridiculous. It’s the type of thing that management will say when they want to guilt you into overworking yourself to increase company profits while your pay stays the same. It’s just like when they say, “We’re a family.” 🙄
This is so f*cking True, happen to my curent work place.
They want everything to be smooth sailing, but noway that going to happen.
When my division pointed out that the problem is "WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH MAN POWER" the management always say, "We WON'T be increasing your Divison man Power, I don't care how but your division have to do with it."
A lot of that understaffing isn't because of the managers you work with, but their boss's orders. This might be just more in the type of work I do, but labor budget screws over scheduling managers so hard. It gets really tricky when you are only allowed to schedule 2 when you really need 3 or 4. Next time you go to a restaurant and you are wondering why your food is taking so long on only a moderate rush, that'd almost certainly be the reason.
Ooooooo, that's good.
You sell a designated number of hours to a company. You get paid for those hours. If they want blind loyalty, they should get a dog.
I've had 2 dogs from birth to death in my life so far. Currently on my 3rd. None of them were blindly loyal. I always had to earn it. As the company should earn my loyalty.
@@civil_leuthieDamnRight‼️💯
That's it
Even dogs have their limits.
Hmmmmhhh you slayed it !
I would still email her and HR a summary of the conversation, along with the fact she said there'd be consequences. That's intimidation/extortion and attempted wage theft.
ETA: I'm amazed at how many people in the comments, who statistically speaking are most likely employees themselves, are telling their fellow workers to shut up and suck it up instead of fighting for their rights.
I got 6 months' back pay and a pay increase by standing up for my rights in the workplace. I would have received nothing at all if I'd followed the advice of all these negative ninnies.
People can do what they want for their own situations with my suggestion, but fear mongering other people into staying silent when being exploited is really gross. Like crabs in a bucket trying to pull the other crabs down who are trying to get out. Disgusting.
Forget these people who tell you there's nothing you can do about it. Talk to your state AG. Learn your rights, and where to go to get help. Ditch your job if that's your best or only option, whatever. But don't let yourself be a doormat.
HR is on the side of the manager. It would also put you in crosshairs. If there is a layoff, you are the fiest to go.
@@alexmendez3681 while its true HR is on the side of company management generally, it doesn't always follow that they will use it against you.
For one thing, this particular manager may be taking it upon him/her self to ask you to work off the clock, etc. It may not be directed from on high, so, ultimately, the manager may be doing something shady without the knowledge of his/her higher-ups. In that case, and/or if that particular manager isn't well-liked or has a history of complaints, HR may find it in the company's best interest to reprimand the manager, and find in your favor (This situation happened to me in real life: that's how I know).
For another thing, it's in writing, which is documentary evidence that can be used in court. You keep a copy. If they use it to lay you off, you can use it as evidence of retaliation, and the company can get in serious trouble, particularly if you're in contact with other disgruntled (former?) employees (think class action lawsuit).
State Attorneys General are good places to start if you want more information about filing labor, civil and constitutional rights violations against employers, housing managers, etc.
Don’t email HR, they aren’t your friend, but do email her.
@@comandantegorrion7271 Sure. I just hope it worth to t. Both HR and the manager will team up. Not sure if it’s worth putting your career in jeopardy. You just have to weigh pros and cons.
@@alexmendez3681HR is only on the side of the manager until the manager does something illegal as fuck and gets caught. Then they're on whichever side doesn't get the company sued out of existence.
“Your unwillingness to pay me for more than 8 hours say a lot about how you value your employee”
Real
As salaried, that argument holds no water.
@@jsmall10671 well clip is specific to an hourly employee.
As for salaried workers, they need to establish value in themselves when they accept being a salaried employee
@jsmall10671 it should. Salaried employees still have a work day and a work week is 40 hours unless otherwise specified.
To be EXPECTED to work outside of your salaried hours is unethical, but you have to prove it which is why she asked to record the call
YES❤
I wish I had watched her videos 3-4 yrs ago. That would have saved me from a lot of unnecessary stress and hodgepodge at work.
Had a manager once tell me that no one saw me come in at 8am but they saw me leave at 5pm, and that I would never get promoted working hours like that. She also told me I should move closer to the office (I lived twenty miles away, outside the city) so I could stay late. I told her no and kept my hours. I did get promoted - into her job - and she is no longer with the company.
managers need to remember that they are replaceable too. HR and higher ups do NOT care
Happy ending 🎉!!
Fantastic! You deserve it!
I had a job abd my commute was 42 miles one way. That was a two + hour drive each way. It was suggested that I move closer. I wasn't paid enough to move closer. I lived where I could afford to live within my means.
I mean congratulations but if your job actually starts at 8 then your manager had the right to ask you about it.
@@raghdaalqaisi2789 just say it went over your head, it's easier that way
Thats when you send a follow up email about the conversation, just to make sure you understood what was said correctly.
Heck yes, maybe BCC some people higher up.
Exactly what I was going to say
THAT part ‼️💯
Yep and copy other people in too for complete clarity.
And CC HR
My boss would walk through the office at 5:30pm and made sure that everyone signed off and went home at the end of the day. It's crazy how certain work culture like that doesn't translate into other places.
I work in retail. HR tells us how important it is to not log in early/log out late for a shift. If we do have to work overtime, we have to send an email to let them know. Otherwise they get into trouble.
@@Leenapanther Sounds like hourly employees. It's huge liability for the company when hourly employees work overtime because if the company doesn't pay them time and a half for it then it is a potential lawsuit. I can't imagine this ever happening for salaried employees.
And in Austria there's _laws_ (not as in union, but actual federal laws) against long working hours, and companies can be fined large amounts if their co-workers do not comply. So every company begs people to not work more hours as it can hurt the company.
my bosses will literally come find me and tell me to stop working and clock out if i stay more than 15 minutes passed my scheduled times
i ask my team to block their calander after 5PM. Work life balance is important to me for my team to maintain.
never forget that you are a replaceable, interchangeable human resource that is only slightly more valued than the raw resources that are shipped in from the warehouse, and then only because of the costs involved in the hiring process itself.
don't sacrifice yourself or your family for your company. i have worked at many companies over the years. some tried to "be my friend", some tried to be that one company that wasn't like the others. in the end, they all ended up the same. some were just less honest about it.
don't be fooled. you work to make money. that's it. don't let anybody trick you into thinking it is anything else.
Relax man
@@Kanjo_BazooieNo! let him say it like it is. This is how the workforce is, and it should be said.
You’re the fool for that last bit
It's terrifying that adult people need something so obvious be told....
But then again, american dream right😂😂😂 I'm so happy I don't live there... And to think I wanted to move to us😂😂😂
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I worked with the public for many years. A popular tactic of bosses was to ensure that instructions that might bring public complaint remained verbal. For pretty apparent reasons.
I always replied in writing, promising to obey those instructions to the letter - just as soon as I received a signed hard copy.
Those hard copies never, ever, materialized...
I always say that written records are to bad managers what garlic is to vampires
I had a supervisor that would make me stay late so that he could stand there and berate me, constantly walked by my office in order to harass me, and would lecture me at every given moment. I started recapping our discussions in emails to ensure I got his "clarification" and sent them to him, his supervisor, and my union. He stopped that pretty quickly after that.
Hell I have to write down instructions or I’ll forget it 😂
@@68jrocheI've gotta nick that one! Brilliant analogy 👏
“your commitment to this company” is always such a funny phrase, you can and should have loyalty and commitment to your team and managers, but the company itself doesn’t deserve any of that, they’ll drop you so fast whenever they want and they really dgaf bc almost everyone is replaceable
Loyalty and respect is something you earn, not something you demand or expect!
I'll never forget how my cousin's father used to go on and on about company loyalty and how they'll do right by him after all the years he worked for them (25 years). He got a massive wake up call when he was among their layoffs and they fought tooth and nail not to pay him (and several others) what was owed.
Large corporations don't give two shits about you. They care about what you offer them.
The company is your team and managers…
It’s so stupid. It’s like you’re getting paid in stock options or something. Like you’re a c level executive.
@@Cassandra_Solidoremployees are just assets to them that they would prefer to have slave qualities.
"not paying me beyond 8 hours is going to have long term consequences for my continued work effort"
Being friends with the bosses and higher ups is what gets you promoted. Working longer and harder just convinces them to force you to work even longer and harder still. For no reward.
This is not true. It may appear that way but it isn't. You'll find that "being friends" is just a way to gain knowledge of how things work in whatever environment you're in.
I can absolutely confirm this to be true. It is called networking and mentoring.
@@kyliep3850 Stop with the bullshit, this is called Nepotism and Conflic of interest.
ahh good ol' nepotism
Nah that's pretty much how it works. Meritocracy doesn't actually exist. Most of the CEO's are the children of the people who built the company and they've done nothing to earn their place and that has absolutely dictated most corporate policies. @@sirianofmorley
me to my manager: "You've been stuck in your current position as long as I've been with the company. How's YOUR prospect of promotion looking with all these extra hours you're working?"
Ooh burn!
How do you professionally say?
Although the boss may think they are set for life in their current role. They have already hit the ceiling yet the mindset is to stay at the job until they are asked to leave.
This was one reason I didn’t stay on the job for the 3rd year. There was no chance of promotion until the boss had retired (& was unlikely to in the near future).
How to professionally say : "I see that you yourself give up many hours of your own time without further compensation, and yet you have been in the same role for some time. I appear to be missing the dynamic of how your proposed approach functions for a benefit of all parties, not just the company. Could you further enlighten me?"
As a manager, I would reapond with, yes And I get to keep this cushy easy job for putting in the time while other positions rotate. Lol. You are working hard in the event of a lay off. 😊
I once did the extra hours, extra effort thing.
My reward: Tried to apply for a different higher level job. Got a letter from management saying I was so useful in my current role that any further attempts to apply for a different job would be automatically blocked.
Edit: Left that place for a promotion that paid $70k more a year.
So many bosses, managers and supervisors across so many industries don't F'ing understand that 1) unless it's like a literal charity or something each employee is ultimately working to improve their own lives not just to help further the company's goals and b) if someone puts in exceptional effort and loyalty they deserve to be rewarded for that
Edit: Fixed 3 spelling errors.
they were willing to put that in writing? sounds like a good way to get sued
Absolutely would have sued after leaving for the other job
At least they were honest!
“Too valuable to production”
Gotta love the "UNT" mug, with the black handle making the "C" perfectly facing the camera!
I just realized that that!!!! 😮
That mug makes a cameo at the end of most of her videos and I always love it.
That flew past me. Thanks ))
I wonder if she went there?? Go Eagles!
Literally did this in a meeting with my team lead yesterday and it changed the tone of the conversation very quickly in my favor
Be careful if you’re in a right to work state, they can legally fire you for any reason
EDIT: This comment was streamlined info that is overtly simplified. Of course federal law always trumps state law, that goes without saying.
Not a correction but a clarification, At will state or not, they can fire for any reason doesnt mean its a good idea to fire for any reason. If the reason is found unlawful, they basically lose any lawsuit against them.
Especially when OP can and would record a receipt.
@@goeticfolklore Not any reason. There's still certain things they can't fire you for and if you have proof of them having a potential reason for firing you for one of those issues then you could still sue.
This is why you always record these kinds of conversations or always get stuff in writing when it comes to employment. If they fire you for a reason that is legally valid but you have proof that it's a possible bit of retaliation in one way or another then you have a case
@@goeticfolkloreMan those corporate overlords did a good job convincing everyone that right to work states means they are still legally bound by things like anti discrimination laws.
@@goeticfolkloreWrongful termination is still a thing.
The "start recording" and "write an email" cards are mostly conversation enders. And not even in this topic, always remember - when you feel something is off, request that written for future reference. It's a golden rule. I'm pretty new to this but already slipped a few times on this. Learned the lesson.
At my previous job when asked to "come in to the office" ( where there no witnesses to conversation ) I would say "sure, I will be as soon as I get my phone so I can record the interaction.." it would mostly be - oh no it's fine another time...( I also had a pen camera which I would use for coverage )
Honestly I think employers should be a little crafty whenever handling this. I don't demand extra from my employees. As long as they are doing the job at the level that I expect then I'm not going to disturb their work or process. I certainly am not interested in promoting them though. I don't promote anybody that doesn't have at least some sort of vested interest in the company or their own growth
Good and Gold C Y A. Cover Your A().
Know your 1 or 2 party consent status for where you are.
@@cheyenne11114 That's how it goes.
If they don't work extra, then don't promote them.
Not threaten like in the vid for not putting in extra.
Sure they'll leave after 2-3 years to job hop and get a promotion and pay raise through that, but at least that's down the line.
I had a manager once tell me exactly this. In his defense, I was working as one of the software engineers and I clocked out at 5pm every day to give gym lessons. I'd pick up work in the evenings, usually.
But I was also the company owner. Not the CEO, but the one and only owner of the company. I hired the CEO to do that job because I hated it.
So I kindly told the manager that the CEO approves of it fully. He checked. The CEO had to giggle while he explained to the manager who I actually was.
It has been 2 years since that moment and they all still work with me ;)
This is the best thing I'll read today 😂
You are funny
And then they all clapped
😂😂😂
@@dylannagy226A lot of small company owners would be better served by hiring an experienced executive that isn’t them to handle the day to day. I’d like to think that the managers would know who owns the company though….
I cannot work more than 8 hours a day. I could sit around and pretend to work more than 8 hours a day..
Whenever my boss notices i have more hours build up then the hours that are in my contract she tells me to make sure i have enough time to spend with my family. All my "overhours" are payed out at the end of the month without issues and she always says she loved having me around but she used to feel shitty about always being at work and she wants to make sure we all spend enough quality time with our loved ones. Shes a fantastic boss and i adore her dearly. She says she believes that happy and taken care of employees make a business thrive and shes right.
This has actually been proven, but few companies bother to take it into consideration. Happy employees are much more motivated to give 100% to the job while they are at work. People who are treated poorly by their employers usually give the bare minimum they can get away with and still keep their jobs.
Brenda: the good ending
If you’re a person who actually encounters this and you stand your ground, you need to send a email after outlining what was talked about. That way if they never promote you or something, you have something to reference back to. Most managers would 100% silently retaliate at this point.
Well yes they would and will. No one wants a lazy person on their team. This is why companies have got to fire the people that don’t show up to the office. We all know people working from home are watching tv and out walking their dog. When they should be working. But if people want to work from home them make them contractors. This way you don’t have to offer any benefits and can fire with 0 notice.
@@survivalSC"I hate treating my employees well, meh meh meh. Why do they only want money, meh meh meh."
@@MyHairIsAlive I think it’s a good thing employees want money. Pay them well but demand top performance. Nothing wrong with that. A lot of this problems will solve themselves once companies crack the whip and make everyone come back into the office. But if they want to work from home just have them a contractor. This way they can walk their dog and watch their kids and do all the things they are doing while they should be working. And the company can fire them at anytime and not have to worry about giving them a severance package. It’s a win for everyone.
@@survivalSCYou sound like a slave master, not an employer. What is your company so that I know to never apply there?
@fbbWaddell he's to dumb and poor to OWN a company he just plays pretend here on the internet 😂
Just remember, this kind of bosses are usually the ones who sold their soul to the company and just hopes everyone else does the same so they don't feel that ruining their only marriage they'll ever have is justified
I had a boss like this. Once while sitting at our desks quietly, she just says, "oh. It's my anniversary today. Maybe I'll get him a card." And went back to work. I asked how long and she said 27 years.
Like, ma'am?? Just bc corp only ever gives you a pre-signed card annually doesn't mean your husband of nearly 3 decades deserves that!
they also spend time at work to avoid parenting their child.
This is the normal boss. Their goal is and under capitalism will always be short term gains. Have employees work as much as possible for as little pay as possible. Try to get rid of any social safety nets and keep a steady flow of unemployment to keep desperation and willingness to work shitty jobs high and keep salaries low. The only reasonable raise I ever had was when I just quit my job and even then you're still being exploited as you're employed to make money off of your work and not give you your fair share.
It very clearly says coworker not boss but you go ahead and go off about your boss that hired you and gave you a chance just for you to be a lazy ass who complains about the job your agreed to do
I've got a manager like that.
I hate how some jobs act like you don't have a life outside of work.
Because they don't want you to, they want you to give your entire being to the company like a mindless robot so they can make more money for themselves while paying you a pittance.
@@AzureKyletruth.
Some....?
@@beamerball666 Even the army recognizes that it's people are still people and require a break, so yeah, some.
Even if I don't have a life and just want to go watch paint dry, it shouldn't matter. Work hours are set and should be respected if they aren't paying me extra.
I had a boss who would do something similar, except in her case it was to give me verbal instructions, and when I completed the task it was sent to my boss with a note about how I'd "ignored her instructions". So I finally started sending an email to her with a recap of her instructions. One day she apparently forgot because I had her and the owner at my cubicle chewing me out for ignoring her instructions _again_. I whipped out the email and showed it to the owner, along with her reply that I was correct in what she was asking for. Lots of hemming and hawing about how I'd "misstated" what she'd told me so I asked, "Then why did you reply that I'd gotten the directions correct?"
What the actual fuck?? why was she bullying you like this?!
@@sydneylawson484 10-15% of the human population has cluster b personality disorders(npd, aspd, histrionic, bpd). All of these are prone to emotional abuse, with aspd being more prone to physical abuse.
I'm sure you can extrapolate from that how it damages society.
@@SilkySnow_A simpler way of saying that is that ⅕ of the population are either damaged or ***holes.
@@SilkySnow_a small percentage of ass holes who do a lot of damage.
At my job, my boss actually prefers messaging or email so that everything is in writing.
I think you didn’t get the sarcasm
You have a good boss
@@georgejungle2255no I think they have but they are just sharing a different interesting fact about their work
Swoosh….
Keeps people honest
I had a similar situation. I was IT, so could generally set my own hours. I decided to work 7am to 4pm. Never missed a deadline and work was always top notch. One day my manager asked why I left every day at 4pm. I explained my hours. She said she stayed until 6pm every night. I then told her that she comes in at 9am every day, so by me coming in 2 hours before her, meant that I could leave 2 hours before her. Seems math was difficult for her...she did not understand.
I think she understood, she was just a cunt who either wanted you to work the same schedule as her or wanted you to work 2 extra hours for free.
I have coworkers that are like this!! I come to work at about 8:30 evvery day and they are so pissed being like well we are here since 7 am, why are you always so late??? But I stay until 4:30 every day, staying at work full 8 hours. I wonder what they would do if I started whining about how they always leave so early...
Gosh this makes me love my manager so much. She lectures me when I work a full 40 hour week and tells me I need to be idle more so I don’t get headaches 😂
I hate that. People don't know how to mind their own business!!
Seems like you know where the last of the 🦤 dodo birds is. 😂
Your ability to portray a person in charge is incredible. It boils my blood every time I watch your videos. But obviously the best part is when an employee destroys them each time 😅
I’ll never stop being grateful for my boss. I was planning on staying late to finish a contract and he came in to talk to someone, saw I was still there, and told me to head out and enjoy my weekend. He’s always made sure we go home if sick, can work from home when needed, and to respect our boundaries as well as fighting for us to get raises. He’s great.
What we see in this comment is a textbook example of a healthy work life. Employees who are respected not only work harder, but give back the same respect as well. Show that you care for your workers in the ways that count and they will do the same. Always pay them what they’re worth and respect them. Do that and you’ll have amazing workers that are also your friends
Sounds like a scandinavian XD Cause that is the norm for us here in denmark :P
Literally had this conversation. My answer to "why are you leaving at 5" was "I like my family." And I was already looking for another job because let's face it, this was not the only thing wrong with the company.
I have a fantastic commitment to my job...between 8 am and 5 pm. Anything beyond that requires a re-negotiation of my contract.
Then you should have zero problem STAYING at your current position.
@@darren871 not your bootlicking ass under everyone who doesn’t want to get taken advantage of by a company’s comments. Why would they promote you if you’re doing extra work when they can keep you at a lower paying position while still doing the amount of work of a higher level position?
@@darren871are you implying that gaining any kind of advancement is linked to working more than whats contracted?
@@darren871 Lol so you can perform exceptionally but it only matters if you’re willing to give time without pay? Pay your workers and stop making excuses for your greedy to broke ass company
@@darren871 found the guy who owns a failing small business and treats their employees like slaves
This is sadly the reality for many of us, bravo for providing both a humorous take and solid advice!
I'm always telling people at my work; If someone isn't willing to put it in writing or have it recorded, they believe what they're saying will get them in trouble.
No not true at all. People in corporate use recorded statements to escalate situations and lie on record. A corporate boss will tell you one thing in person and say another once you agree to do a statement with them. It's a way to cover themselves. I try to never do recorded statements as every time I've done one my boss has lied on record. I mention how they change their story and they have no comment or just lie more and say I'm making stuff up or misunderstanding the situation. The recorded statement is bullshit. And everyone puts on a facade when emailing. It's all a corporate game of fucking you over fir personal gain.
@@DA-nk6gx recorded statements are the only proof you'll ever have someone said a thing. If they're willing to say one thing when it isn't recorded and then say something else on paper or on a recording, oh well.
But once there's a record of what's been said, they're gonna have to stick to it, because there's now a record.
You're also proving my point while claiming it isn't true.
@devilsluk oh well. Just give the boss a platform to lie and make you look bad.
@@DA-nk6gx i mean, your argument is that you shouldn't keep records of anything and make it a war of "he said she said". Which means you have no evidence of anything at all, so how are you meant to defend yourself against anything at all? You can't. You literally cannot, and without the records, no one is ever going to take your side.
@@devilsluk sure I don't even care anymore
Expecting people to work without pay is theft
Some would call it slavery which would be a valid point.
Except when it’s salary…
@@davidtaylor9999 Still theft in a less direct way
Who said the person was expected to work without pay?
@@martinbell7073 1: the boss didn't say there'd be more money. Two if there were she'd have phrased it as a request vs a demand
I am in the same but backwards situation. My boss insists that we work as long as she is. But in my case, she refuses to work past 5 or on weekends. In her and my opinion, missing deadlines is a matter of poor planning, bad time management, or unrealistic expectations...not a lack of hours in a typical work week.
Once you've been told that leaving on time will affect future promotions, know that that's their plan and they will follow it.
I would keep working the extra hours and put a little call in to the Department of Labor. They don't like people not getting paid for their hours worked.
My sister did this at a place she worked at and they came in and investigated and made the company pay everyone back pay. Tens of thousands of dollars. Plus a fine.
I love your videos helping people set boundaries or get out of a toxic company… it’s funny when I left a company who had this kind of mentality I remember seeing my boss’s disappointment & feeling like I failed. Then I started my current company (been with them almost 4 years now) & my chief officer walked by to leave for the day at 6. When he saw I was still there he told me to go home, my day was done. The next day he came over to tell me that he knows I’m a go-getter & he doesn’t want to see me burn myself out. I still remember the feeling of “oh THIS is what a boss is supposed to be like”
Yes, LEADERSHIP means LEADING.... from the FRONT. Setting a Good example. Pushing from behind is NOT Leadership. Working for free is not the same as volunteering your time and resources, and is an example of Bad leadership.
@@claytonwhitman2611So if the boss works 14 hour shifts you'll do the same? Did i read rhat correctly? Lol.
Of course companies would just call videos like this "quiet quitting" to put the onus on the worker and make us look like WE'RE the lazy, unmotivated, entitled assholes. NEVER give in to your manager if you know you're in the right!
@@AndrevusWhitetail But it’s true. It is quiet quitting. And if you do that, companies will just hire immigrants. These videos are damaging imo
I hope I can find a boss like that one day ❤ the closest I got was working at a car garage
I has something similar happen once. This HR woman in charge of the trainees (which I was one of at the time) asked me why I always left about an hour earlier than my fellow trainee, maybe cause I also start two hours earlier. She just looked at the times we clicked out. Not the time we work total or when we start.
your voice control is INSANE, the slightly robotic corporate voice is on point
"it would have long-term consequence of your relationship with the company"
"What's making you think I would be here in a long-term?"
I've stopped asking to record and started learning who to record very VERY quickly. If you forgot to record the conversation, be sure to send them an email detailing the conversation so there is a paper trail. It is at this moment they can try to correct things. This means they either accept what is on the email OR this gives you a second chance at recording them. Win-win.
I've stopped asking to record and started informing them it's recorded
Just keep in mind depending on the state/country, recording without consent from both parties could be illegal.
@@arcticfox037 Teams informs everyone when the call is being recorded. I'm not clear if that's enough to constitute consent, but telling you they're recording and letting you hang up if you don't like it seems to be good enough for customer service call centers.
@@arcticfox037Cannot be used in court.
Does not mean one cannot share with HR, one's direct supervisor or a Federal Agency - even if it's never introduced in court.
@@arcticfox037as far as states go California, Delaware, Florida, Illinois, Maryland, Massachusetts, Montana, Nevada, New Hampshire, Pennsylvania and Washington are the states that require both parties according to Google. Otherwise, I think only 1 party has to consent.
Best part is you even asked to record which made them know they can't deny it being used later due to consent issues
You only need ONE person's consent to record a conversation: YOURS. You have the Right to record any conversation you are a part of. No one can claim a right to the expectation of privacy, as they are not alone in the conversation. There are some very limited exceptions, but in general you can record any conversation you are a part of. Also, when asking for something in writing, just casually ask them to send you an email, note, text, etc explaining the rules or whatever, for your reference so you can study them and learn them. Just tell them you don't always remember these types of things and you want to get it right. ;)
@@claytonwhitman2611 in the United Kingdom, it is legal to record phone calls as long as you have the consent of the other party to the conversation according to the GDPR (General Data Protection Regulation).
@@claytonwhitman2611 That only works if you are in a "Single Party" state.
In many states, you MUST have the consent of both parties, or you can actually go to jail.
There was a case of a child recording his bullies, and he played the recording to the principal at school, to prove that he was being bullied.
The principal handed the kid over to the police, and he was arrested and sent to juvie.
The bullies were not even reprimanded, because "there was no proof."
True story.
Poor kid lived in the WRONG STATE.
@@AuntLoopy123 Negative. You are ALWAYS within your rights to record if you have a reason to believe it will provide evidence of a crime. That's Federal.
@@LukeCuddy In uk its not submissable in court if all parties have not agreed to the recording.
I love that- can I get an email outlining these consequences please? Always meet people where they are, especially when it comes to threats.
Best thing to do in that case is to send am email, bullet-pointing each of the points of the conversation and requesting clarifications. For example:
"- During our call, you stated that my working within my contracted times and hours says a lot about my commitment to the company and would have long-term consequences, especially regarding promotions. I would like to request some clarification as to what consequences would occur as a result of logging between X and Y, as per my contract."
Additionally if you have a video call log, screenshot it and send the image to a personal email. All of this creates a paper trail that leaves the onus on the employers to prove it didn't happen.
Im so glad I live somewhere where i can record conversations without the other parties consent. I record every call with any employer or landlord.
Just asking if you can record the call, and asking for this request to be in writing, could be enough to upset the employer into retaliation. And you cant prove it, because you didn't get it in writing or record it! Instead, follow up with an email and reference the key points of the discussion, so you have some kind of evidence of what was said.
For example: "regarding what you said earlier about my only working eight hours and that this would prevent me from any promotions in the future, I would be happy to renegotiate my hours. I'll also need my compensation renegotiated."
This would allow you to naturally bring up what was said while also bringing up a way to resolve the issue and getting it in writing so you can use it as evidence if they ever try to retaliate illegally.
The only times I worked late was if I was alone in my department during holidays, or I accidentally answered the phone secs before leaving. Grateful for a culture where we almost kick each other out at 16 or whatever our working hours are. Never been threatened by a colleague or boss.
Why were you working during the holidays? Isn't holidays time off?
16 hours?
@@hydeparkacademy7107 16:00, which translates to 4pm
I assume since you said 16 you meant 1600 or 4pm. I worked for years in the defense industry with many ex-military. Most were great, but several couldn't get the working hours thing out of their head. It was more important to be visible than it was to get actual work done. Sheeesh!
@@asadb1990people work on holidays, you know like if you stop and get gas or want to get a bite to eat while travelling. Yeah, all those people are working holidays
One of my favorite things to be told was at my last hourly job: “we expect you to start working more than 8-5 in order to make the store successful, but you will not be getting paid for any overtime”. As an HOURLY employee
Well that's just straight up illegal...
Just make sure you get it in writing so you can forward it to the labor board lol. EZ money.
soooo you’re a robot? cause that’s the only reason I can think of why in the HELL they would do that to you 🤬
@@mykillmetal1814lol yeah i dnt think soomeones dumb enough to do that
"Before you continue this rant of me working my contracted hours, I will add the entire HR department to this call."
@atkaschaand forcing or threating employees will get the company sued, and HR won’t let that happen lol it’s their job to prevent dumbass supervisors from getting them into legal shitstorm
@atkaschaunpaid overtime is legal trouble boyo
@@RexOedipus.Not if they're on a Salary like most corporate jobs are, and since she says my contracted hours that means she's probably on a fixed rate salary.
@@RexOedipus.So is retaliating against a worker for doing the job they were hired to do by denying them any chance of advancement
@@mitchhifi9192 America is fucking grim man. We have salaried jobs but there's an hourly rate that you pay if the worker goes overtime. And this is from a shit 3rd world country. How do you have worse labour laws than a third world country?
if I had this confidence in myself, I wouldn't be healing of my torn achilles tendon now. Not everybody is prepared to answer this kind of attacks so perfectly , calmly, confidently, surely, well seated, professionally, well spoken, zero nervous, and not even glitched one millisecond. You are close to Superman, Superwoman, and you are my hero. I wish I could have your confidence.
Cheers !
Pablo.
Perfect is hard. But I've learned to practice a lot - like a dozen times twice a day for a week. I do it in front of a mirror usually with a general script. I've found it really helps my nerves before interviews & speeches.
"That's very illegal" or "actually, can I call my union rep?" Usually shuts them up
Maybe you shouldn't talk about things that you know nothing about. Most corporate employees are hourly non exempt, meaning you can work as many hours as you need to in order to get your job done. If that means 80 hour weeks twice a month, too bad.
Corporate employees also don't have unions. Having worked with a Union before, I will never work with one again anyway. They are completely useless unless your work environment is just that bad. They're just there to make money off of you.
@@bohemianraptorsy7025 I wouldn't knock all unions. The one at my work has people with jobs with no degree required making absolute bank.
@@bohemianraptorsy7025Have you tried forming your own union?
@@Ma_Zhongying No, because I don't see the value. I haven't been in such a bad work environment to ever warrant the need for a union.
In terms of white collar jobs, I think the only people who should even consider unionization are software/game developers because their jobs are inherently painful. But even then the fact that there haven't been unions formed in those fields kinda shows that there might not be that much desire for a union, anyway.
@@bohemianraptorsy7025Are you seriously not aware that employers in America vigorously root out any efforts to unionize and retaliate against employees who attempt to do so (even though it's technically "illegal", they get around that easily). Much like how they're required to give a legitimate cause for firing employees (in most places), but easily fabricate a justification for why they did so as opposed to their actual motivations, because workers in America have very little recourse in most situations? You sound like they've so successfully conditioned and made you subservient that you have no idea the ways in which they've taken advantage of you. It's like Stockholm syndrome or something, wow. The reason so few workplaces/fields in America are unionized is because the American legislators, regulators, and Judges are motivated by funding from these industries and employers (on and off the books). How are you so naive?
Had a mental wellness speaker at a corporate event recently. He said we should not be working lots of stressful overtime and then 10 minutes later said how leaving at 5 on the dot can destroy team morale if all your co-workers stay late. Mixed signals much?
Corporate event.
Something with not biting the hand that feeds?
I totally just did company training that put burnout as symptom of not managing your energy.
@@SerenityForschenthat’s pretty much the healthcare field in a nutshell now we have mandatory resilience training for medical students and residents
I would have quizzed the speaker on that in the Q & A before the end of the lecture
He said not working stressful overtime. Overtime shoukd bring you joy.
Some people actually have a life outside of work. Corporations consider workers a cog in the machine. They pretty much mean nothing.
Some people have another job to get to outside of work hours.
@@vivianlee5132 yes they do.
My thoughts exactly employees are disposable
You keep thinking that, and you'll always have a job. You'll never have a career.
@@JeremiahLOsborne you’re obviously someone with no life to think this 😅 any bad job or career would want you to give up your life for them. There are plenty careers out there where you don’t have to give up on personal life. But then again usually people who have nothing to live for would expect other people to waste there life away working more then what they were supposed to or contracted to.
“I work until 9pm most days!” Ok? That sounds like a you problem!
Basically ,,How dare you working on the agreed hours you are signed up for?" in a nutshell
and they're equally as harsh/strict on the opposite end. If you dare leave 5 minutes early or come 5 minutes late its a whole situation, but then they have issues/concerns if you leave on the dot and not 30 mins extra.
@@theecowarriorz Bro 1 of the job I worked at(and wanna work again) we enter and exit the work site on clock. Althought the site has 2 shift groups that switches every 12 hours
But in exchange for the 8-12 hour works(depends on the day) they only work 4 days a week
Unless a big order comes in
“Paying me for only 8 hours and expecting me to work more says a lot about your commitment to me”
This is one of the reasons they hate us working from home. Everything can be recorded or has a paper trail and it makes it easier for you to catch them and prove it when they do something unethical or even illegal.
**pissed in corporate** should be a name tag
I 100% support this, you should not have to always go above and beyond for a job that will replace you in a heartbeat
8 hrs of work a day is a third of your day. Another third is needed for sleep, and the other is needed for your other human needs.
Weird people used to work 12 hours a day 6 days a week. We have it better now than we used to
@@KarlswebbFor a reason. Just because people put with those conditions back in the day doesn't mean we have to put up with it in the present.
@@Karlswebbliterally working a job that averages 13-14 hours a night, 6 days a week. Warehouses are slavery, have to hit a production % as well no matter how long the shifts are or you get written up and fired. These jobs are very much still a thing and not only in the past
@@tristinsherrill9261Are you forced to work there? No. Are you compensated for hours worked? Yes.
Learn what slavery is. You could quit the job but you don't want to. IT IS NOT SLAVERY. Quit using terms like that to over exaggerate your situation.
I love how it's not Brenda. She doesn't deserve to be the face of all evil.
After all, not everyone is so good nor so bad - she is just crazy for a promo (and aren't most of us?😂)
This the manager looks like Tracy’s boss, Michelle.
@loewhaley , could you do one of Michelle and Tracy having this conversation?
Brenda has learned to respect other people's boundaries.
AND Brenda is now learning to respect herself, and set boundaries for herself!
Thank you, Momma Donna, you are the best!
loyalty no longer pays. in some few cases it will but that's so rare that it's best to put that loyalty to yourself first as that'll pay you back more than ANYTHING ever could.
My boss is exactly like this. He once told me as he watched most of the people walking out at 5:01 "Ya know, that's just why they'll never get ahead." which kinda broke my heart considering a good portion of them are honestly some of the most hard working people during work hours and most of their duties never have time limits that would require them to stay late.
He sounds like a jackass. Unless it is in writing don't kill yourself working too much.
I was written up by my supervisor at my last job for leaving at end of my shift on Saturdays. He said, and this is a direct quote, "as soon as it hits 5, you are out the door leaving the rest of us here." Uh......my shift ends at 5. Everyone else came in later and were scheduled til 8.
You probably deserved it. You probably were in the middle of a task and clocked out without telling anyone. There is always more to the story. I really don't care what you say, you are always going to slant it to be poor you because you obviously felt you did no wrong. Being in a race to get out the door exactly at your schedule time is a problem, I don't understand how we got to this point.
Sure you shouldn't be taken advantage of and have to work 30 mins-1hr+ extra but if it takes an extra 2 minutes to finish a task or inform someone you are leaving, you should. Especially if it isn't going to put you into OT, you are still going to get paid for those 2 mins.
@@brianatkinson8164 Not when your company expressly forbids overtime and your manager changes your time clocked out to make sure you don't have overtime .
@brianatkinson8164 what the fuck do you know about it? The supervisor was pissed because it meant he had to do his job. I never left work unfinished. I stayed over plenty of times to take care of tasks I was in the middle of. I was well into overtime just working my scheduled shifts. My shift ended at 5 the entire almost 3 years I worked there. It was no secret that I was leaving at 5 because I told everyone long before I left. None of the other employees had a problem with it because I never left them in a lurch. He was pissed because he wanted to wander off and hide all damn day to avoid doing his actual job. I worked every morning by myself from 8am til almost 3pm despite him being there at 11am everyday. He clocked in, dropped off his stuff and vanished. Nobody knew where the hell he was all day.
@@brianatkinson8164you don’t even know what happened and you’re projecting your own biases. Maybe you’re one of those managers.
@@brianatkinson8164sometimes people have to leave at the exact time because the last bus is 5:05 and if you stay 2 minutes longer, you miss the bus and then what? You expect the person to walk for 2 hours to get home or use up their whole day's pay to take a taxi, working for free? THINK before you post your judgement.
Imagine saying 'I didn't think so, toodaloo' and terminating the conversation - that would be your resignation... hahahahaha!
I don't think that's how resignations work.
I use to work off the clock to get as much done as possible and my boss pulled me aside and said how much she appreciates my commitment and hard work but i need to take time for myself and when I clock out, I just need to shift my focus to my family because she doesn’t want me to get burnt out. I love my boss!
She sounds wonderful
You are lucky to have such a boss ...
Opposite for me, was doing 50 hours a week because we work on a per contract basis and my boss would assume i worked 20 hours, because he wasn't in the office to monitor me if truly worked 40 he claimed. Started doing 20 hours a week, because what's the point of always going beyond when he made that remark to me 3 times.
Lol as an engineer if this happened I would immediatly start looking for work elsewhere, if I hadn't already. Next time this bs is spoken in my presence I make it clear that there is no such thing as "company loyalty", and that if they refuse to treat me appropriately or give me a raise to match the offers I've recieved from others I would be resigning immediatly. That should shut them up 😅
Well most states employees are “at will” workers so they can fire u even if ur the best employee ever . Ur entitled to resign immediately. You hv to look at ur contract to see if u need to give notice before u resign. At any rate my whole pt is ppl need to know their state labor laws bc if you do then you know what they can’t and can do and know what contracts ur signing .
Loyalty is a thing that goes both ways. Blind Obedience OTOH...
Lol. No you don't.
making them accountable for what they say is the only way to get them off your back. The funny thing is, they often later realize how tough you are and offer you more respect and sometimes, even friendship they can never form with someone else. Happened to me.
Speaks volumes about work culture in the USA. Just shocking.
try working in Japan
Not just America or Japan. A lot of places are like that.
I just got one of these talks. I got the *exact* same response when I said "do you mind if I record this, or would you prefer to put that in writing?" silence.
When I was salaried, I worked at two establishments that would literally either remote disconnect me or if I was at the office they would drag me away 😂. Fridays at 4:45 they would play: we want the weekend and hand beers out in the food lounge. 🙌
My coworker is a workaholic. He lived alone and genuinely loved his work. He'll happily camp in the office if he could get away with it.
And we can see our boss actually contemplating to bodily drag him out every day 😂😂
That UNT mug always makes me smile, especially in bits like this
The handle is painted black as in 'C' UNT
Love the deadpan honesty! ❤️
Before I retired I learned to always record when certain people contacted me. You can always delete anything not important.
Dang two-party consent state lol
@@GanchiPlansJust say whenever someone calls you that they are being recorded. Their decision to continue with the call after that is consent to being recorded once they know it is occurring. And if you always say it, they may not think anything of it and you can catch them out being disgusting
@@GanchiPlans Some jurisdictions are two party and will still allow recording protecting you legally to be admissible evidence. Alternatively, submit transcripts rather than the recording. Check first with lawyer, I don't know the laws of your jurisdiction.
@@GanchiPlans Depending upon your company's policies, there is NO expectation of privacy when using company resources.
Most policies state this explicitly.
@@damianwright3690 when they started sending me text and calling me on my personal phone I informed h.r. that I was recording each and every conversation I had regarding work. Whenever I was told to get on a computer at work because of emails I was sent I told them forward it to me
How dare you only work during the agreed upon timeframe?!😂
If I had a coworker like that “, I’d just say “if you want blind loyalty to a company, you can be the blind loyal one”
It sounds laughable when it you say it with no filters or sugar coating but thats essentially what they're saying. When it is point blank you realise how manipulative it is.
How dare you feel entitled to a promotion when you seem perfectly content to doing to bare minimum for your current position...?!?!
@@darren871 lol your assumption makes their point. You’re assuming they are doing the bare minimum, when many put their aabolute best effort forward, but you sold a certain amount of labor hours to the company. If they think your labor is exceptional it is on THEM to compensate you for the increased work they want to ask you for. Your time is just as valuable as any other tangible asset, if they need to pay for toilet paper they need to pay you for your work and promotions tied solely to no “extra” time are a show of bad managers not even bad companies. Some people are just stuck in their old ways lll
@@darren871 Why would I even want a promotion in a shitty company that employs an unprofessional, toxic asshole as my manager? I'll be gone in 2-3 years anyway, fuck that company!
Annnd this is why you should record ALL interactions with managers.
@atkascha Give consent to record what they've said&typed? Maybe they should consider first on what to say if they fear so much the consequences of their own actions.
I would love to see one of these where you start questioning the supervisor or manager about the family time that they've missed. My daughter was friends with my managers daughter. She always missed her daughter's parties and events finally one day I refused to do overtime and when she asked why I said because our daughters have a party, aren't you going? It was almost like I slapped her across the face. The change was remarkable.
Had a boss who got hired as an 18 year old to be pretty much the mini boss of the YMCA pool. He was not qualified and one day I got scheduled for Sunday which isn’t usual for me. After talking to the lifeguards I found out that he had been leaving 3 hours before he was scheduled to leave which was 6. We close at 5:30 and me and him were scheduled to clock off at 6 while the other two lifeguards clock off at 5:30 (he always closes on Sunday but apparently never did). He would leave at 3 and force the girls to work past 5:30 which isn’t what the schedule said and I’m pretty sure he would be paid for it. I had to pretty much fight him and contact our boss to keep him there lol.
I was like, I’m leaving at the end of the summer so the least I can do is shut down his actions when i see them 😂
These videos help me desensitise my fear of setting boundaries in a personal setting too. They really are great!
No is a short but powerful word
“No!” is the most positive word in the English language.
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@@georgejungle2255one that many people struggle to say
This is a conversation difference between someone who is paid hourly and a someone paid on a huge salary with bonuses when the grunts hit unrealistic deadlines early for free.
My friend earns a good salary with bonuses that basically amount to my annual wages, but she still manages to work 9 to 5. Only does the occasional overtime work as needed.
I think pulling in a few extra hours on occasion for a deadline or emergency isn't outrageous. But then they should return the favour when you need to go to the dentist or some other similar reason (again, on occasion).
A relationship based on trust and mutual respect is more important than exact rules. Sadly companies that abuse this and expect you to be flexible every single day is really bad.
The handle of the mug makes the C. Love it!! 😄
So important you know what to say in situations like this at work. Other wise people will unfortunately take advantage of you almost everytime. Thanks for teaching us how to communicate well at work!
Bingo. Everyone in the comments section showing how they "rock" like the character in the video did. That's not reality. No one likes to share how much they appreciate the advice.
This is why I am a freelance contractor.... Screw being a corporate slave.. I bill them 4 times what I used to get paid and they dont want me working a second past 5
Same here, I left the corporate brothel 13 years ago and never looked back, Now that I have been an SME in my field for over 20+ years I decide what gigs I want and how much I want per hour (just a hint, always north of $120/hr)
I also have the luxury of just hiding from the workforce for 2-3 months at a time just to chill, relax and do things I wanna do which is mostly sleep. I like to sleep so if I can get 2-3 months worth of sleep I will do it, god knows I lost a lot of it in my late teens to late 30's
@@Whatchamawhozityou are my spirit animal
Sleep is more important to me than literally any other humanly function.
I need to figure out how I can accomplish this
This woman is genuis !!! These topics are so true its beyond comedy. This is typical corporate employment employment.
literally the most toxic, passive-aggressive workplace interaction imaginable
You're right. Being willing to only work 8 hours does say a lot about my commitment to the company. You're nothing more than a paycheck to me.
Girl I don’t work in corporate but these are the absolute best.🔥
Such a polarizing difference between jobs. My current salary job I do end up working 10-12 most days mainly because there is so much to do and I’m still very much learning. Meanwhile my manager gets on my case to close the laptop and leave 🤣. It can be done in 8, I’m just not fast enough yet 🤣
This makes me appreciate my manager even more.
This makes me appreciate being self employed even more lol. HR ??? Who the fuck is that!?😂 I AM HR !!!
I straight up told my boss I need more to do because I keep sitting at my computer bored during my “shift” (I’m salaried so don’t actually have a set schedule but you know how that is). He said if I run out of things and it’s not like noon or earlier, just head out for the day. Granted this was after he told me he had been told by other staff who were reading my work that I was doing an incredible job, so he knows I’m still doing really quality work, I’m just new so don’t have a lot on my plate yet.
I’m so glad that worked out for you!
@@anonymouscausewhynot it definitely helps that I’m new enough that I just don’t have a lot of duties yet. But also, our customers are seasonal and my main duties will start up during the off season when we can make major feature changes without risking shutting down the software
My work is just the opposite. They want you off pretty much right when your shift ends unless you wanna sign up for OT 😂
You can thank unions or labor laws for that! People don’t get paid for overtime only when it’s legal!
I worked at Sams club and they literally would write you up for having a couple mins of OT
Well this probably applies more to salary jobs.
@@mikehurt3290 one of my first jobs was at Universal Florida I worked my normal shift and the was working that night as crowd control on the Mardi Gras parade. When my shift was done one of the managers was was literally begging anyone to stay to work crowd control for the concert. So I said I would stay. I went 1/2 hour into OT and got yelled at about it the next day. Keep mind this was the 90s and I was probably making less then $10 an hour so I was being yelled at for about less then eight dollars 💵
She handled that so masterfully.
I love her coffee cups. Need to order a few and give to my wife so she can pass them out to her coworkers.
My commitment to the company is exactly equal to their commitment to pay me.
My colleagues do this sometimes as well, but in Sweden if you choose to work late, you get your hours put into a time bank and you can take those out later to work fewer hours or even take days or weeks off without using vacation days.
You can also choose to have them paid. If you are told to stay late, then you get overtime which is 150% salary or hours for your bank. Unionize Americans, you'll love it.
Totally agree. Don't give up your personal time for corporate America. They will let you down every time. No wage in crease, no notice layoffs, etc. etc. You are just a number that is expendable
Me as a teacher walking out of meetings that went past contract hours. 😂