To the companies your only a pay role number, and as your their employee. They have a legal duty to make sure that your working environment is not causing you any mental health issues
@@JoATTech In my field (IT) the on call compensation is usually 3 to 5 euro's per hour from 6pm to 8am the next day. When you get a call and need to do some actual work the full hourly rate kicks in and the time you work is rounded up to the nearest half hour. You will get 150% of your hourly rate when you're needed after 8pm or on Saturdays and 200% on Sundays or official holidays. Personally I usually make a deal with my client that they don't actually pay me for those extra hours, but instead allow me to take the extra time off. So if I had to work a couple of hours one evening or during the weekend, I might take the next Friday afternoon off and still write 8 hours on my time sheet. Makes it much easier for everyone.
@@catsi563 It was ~12 years ago in Poland. Still breached at least 3 work laws. Finally we went on strike, and they raised on call duty to ~$60 a week + they started paying normal overtime (before they paid 1:1 - bending the law). But now I work for global IT corporation. And they do exactly the same. Breaching at least 3 work laws ... every ducking day. No one cares ....
@@thebestblainejohnsonI’m sure you don’t mean that the law isn’t needed. The US is one of the crappiest countries in the world when it comes to how employees are treated. We treat people like they are chewed gum scraped off the bottom of corporates’ shoes. If you believe otherwise there’s a non-zero chance that *you* treat people like this.
@@swtlisaI don't have any problem with people calling me at 7 pm about work occasionally. I also do the same. I am not an hourly employee. Even if I was, why would I care? As long as I was getting a good deal.
In the mid 90s, when Blackberries came out, the Partners at a large Law Firm voted NOT to require Associates carry them in off hours. The Partnership recognized they could not control themselves in off hours. Was reported in the American Lawyer Magazine. Sadly, not the case anymore.
We really really want that extra 2 hours of your day! Well, I really want that extra 20 grand a year. Can you see a way that we could both get what we want?
I have a rate sheet for being on-call. It goes in all my contracts. The next line is an option: "We decline on-call services" and we codify the next-business-day thing.
And that's one big reason to do it. Either they backpedal on the request, which means you're off the hook, or they confirm, and they're *on* the hook, for violating labor laws or the like.
I would love to see you add a new set of scenarios for IT workers and here is why. In the mid 1960’s large companies started lobbying the government to make IT workers exempt from overtime rules even though they were not management thus making them unable to receive overtime. Because of this and that computer systems run 24/7 the on call became part of an IT worker’s life. Before remote access that meant getting into your car and driving to work at all hours and working until the problem was solved. (I have work 37 hours straight on this type of issue). Then in the 1980’s again large companies saw the rise of the independent contractor who demanded to be paid for hours worked so they had the IRS state that this type of worker needed to be incorporated but they had lawyers and accountants excepted (rule 1706). I have had a client page me in a casino in Vegas, leave a message for me at Disney World and a resort in southern California. With remote access so common today the travel impact is minimal but the 24/7 attitude is still there without compensation. I find your skits very much to the point. Keep them coming.
Agree. IT is a world in itself and yes, we are expected to be on call 24/7/365, especially if you are in any type of production services or cyber security type of a role. They never hire enough people yet they want 24-hour coverage. We are also usually passionate about what we are working on which comes to our detriment because we do end up answering calls at all times of the night because we may be working on systems that deal with banking, hospitals, and the like, which need immediate action. If they hire enough staff then maybe we wouldn't have to worry about these calls. But yes you are not seen as doing your job if you don't answer them.
I have driven an hour to downtown at 3 a.m., restarted the servers that had gone offline, returned home and was back in the office for 9 a.m. the same day with zero additional compensation.
Wow. That is *HORRIBLE* !!! I always thought IT people got "on call" pay and overtime. That is unconscionable! God forbid the CEOs don't pull down the big bucks.
global companies solve this issue by putting people in different time zones, so when it's night in the US, they are in their working day and can take the issues without needing overtime. Only if a certain piece of hardware is involved (and they try to split those to the different sites as well, so you can switch to the back-up system until the people come in to fix the main one) you still have on-call issues. And given that some countries have their week-end at different days, you can play around with that as well, needing only few out of normal hours people.
Okay, team player. Makes calls to boss: Monday 4:45 am and 10:45pm Tuesday: midnight and 2am Wednesday: 7pm, 1am, and 5am Thursday: 11pm and 3am Friday: exactly at 5:45pm (know you're communting) 8pm, 1:30am, and 4am Saturday: 6:45am, noon, 3pm, 8pm, midnight, 2:45am 4:45am Sunday: 9:15am, 1pm, 11pm, 3am Boss: "what the H do you want?" Me: "team player here with that availability mandate!"
You tell ‘em Haley! Also, if you want the cherry on top? Send the transcripts to the big leagues e.g. CEO, main manager (Yes I’m aware it’s a skit, but come on, it’d be interesting and funny to see the boss’s reaction unless this is the main manager/CEO then time to quit with such a toxic environment)
send to my boss, CC to boss's boss, dickhead and dickhead's boss. just for this convo. i work in a 200 people company and the CEO knows everyone, CC him if the call ended nasty.
Unfortunately, there are very few CEO's that will agree. They respond with things like "Not today, not tomorrow, but sometime in the next month I want that person fired" True story.
These amazing videos got me through a really difficult time in my life. I didn't know if I would make it through. But them i stumbled across this woman, spending her time acting opposite herself...and i just knew i had to keep pushing through the pain. Thank you so much. ❤
Sometimes it pays (literally) to forward a corporate e-mail thread to your personal account or copy it to a thumb drive to preserve it from deletion. It saved my booty on a couple of occasions!
As a European, I find these videos really interesting as it's not a culture I've experienced. If I'm seen still logged in after my working day (I work 7am - 3:30pm), my manager teams messages me to log off immediately. Anything that needs doing can be done on my next working day or I can hand it over to her.
Last time I checked: emergencies are reserved for family. And unless you came from my parents' union or blood/in law, the office family reunion will be 9-5 per scheduled. 😊😂
I had the same issue when I was working for a driving agency. As they asked me why my mobile phone was switched off at night. I explained that whenever I went to bed, my phone did the same. As if they called me in the middle of the night, I more likely have problems getting back to sleep. And that would be making it unsafe for me to drive the next day
I recently sent an email stating inappropriate behavior from a supervisor, spoke to corporate HR who assured me it would remain private, but now that person along with other managers are giving me the cold shoulder. I continue to do my job to the fullest regardless of their attitude and feel justified that in my current role I am not to be challenged or insulted again. Thank you for encouraging me to stand up for myself! 😊
Definitely agree here. Employees should record all conversations as well as having a paper trail - super important as a lot managers like to deny all accountability of saying what they said
In Japan working your employees to death(literally) has been a prevalent practice that is now illegal. They even have a word for it - Karoshi - Meaning Overwork Death.
@@theyoftheravens Gotta love those titles, like "I Spent Ten Years Working At A Black Company Before Collapsing And Finding Myself In Another World Where I Became A Pinball Wizard"
My entire team blocks out time during work hours to.... GASP work! We don't answer calls, emails, meeting requests during those times. We focus on you know... WORK!
While I find these videos insightful, I'm thinking it only works to push back at a manager like this when you know your great at your job and your job is important to the company, and your skillset is one that can easily gain you another position elsewhere quickly while it would also be hard to replace you. If you aren't the top guru in your post, might not have the same power leverage to push back like on this video.
Thank you - this is starting to bug me about this person's content. While I appreciate the sentiment that employees should not be available beyond their working hours and I do agree, speaking in such a condescending way to your supervisor is a sure way to put yourself squarely on their bad side. Most people are 100% replaceable - and nothing about her many characters indicate that they wouldn't be, either. Never underestimate the fact that the employer has more power in this 'relationship' than you. I am worried that she is encouraging her audience to behave in a manner that is going to prevent them from opportunities, or worse, lead to them being removed from their positions.
@@saoirserubio536what's your line that you will not let management cross. It seems that the company ms. Whaley uses as an example has power as it's only currency. That's not a good company to work for.
Sometimes you can get HR on your side by quoting a labor law or ordinance and expressing a willingness to follow through. If a manager or veep or even officer is opening the company up to litigation or prosecution, believe me, they WANT to know!
The only time they are on your side is if they think you have a lawsuit against them. Best buddies then! Anything else? You are a number and easily replaced.
If I'm to be available 24/7 then I should be paid as such. If not but you still want me to answer my phone whenever you call, then each call is worth one hour of pay.
Years ago my dad worked as a technician in a chemical plant earning an hourly wage and being paid T&1/2 for overtime, of which there was a reasonable amount that Dad didn't mind working. When the shop boss retired, the company wanted to make Dad the shop boss. "You'll be salaried and we'll raise your salary to effectively $10k more than what you're presently making." Dad asked, "How 'bout overtime pay?" "Nope, no more of that. You'll be a 'professional', exempt from overtime pay." Dad replied, "Nope, I'd be a dumb-ass GIVING my time to a company who doesn't appreciate my time as much as I do. Give the white shirt and tie to someone else." Only an egotist falls for the "you'll be an 'exempt professional' corporate scam.
I would say "Yes, I am not a team player. I am good at my job and I can adequately accomplish my tasks without unneeded help. Should my job description be updated to include overtime and mandatory team building measures, I am willing to re-negotiate my contract."
I learn something new every day here. I am grateful that I don't encompass any of the corp issues highlighted on this channel, but will keep following just in case! Loe, I have just turned sixty, so I'm ready to join your dad's prank force. Would you please introduce us?
"Between the hours of 8am and 5pm, I am totally dedicated to this team, and I do not take personal phone calls during this time. During the hours of 5.01pm to 7.59am I am playing for my home team and I extend them the same courtesy regarding phone calls that you expect of me."
My working hours are posted and in black and white. Anything you need from me beyond that is 'on call' which I am not contracted for and will be charged accordingly.
I dont know how many of these vids I have watched and she picks up that coffee cup and I just now clicked on what it says. Holy crap how did I miss something that obvious and funny?!
I don't mind my boss calling me outside of work hours. I know if he does it, it's important. In exchange, if i need to take care of something personal during working hours, it's not a problem.
Even machines needs to shutdown and have maintenance checks and minor adjustments or repairs. Otherwise they'll breakdown easily and you'll get no work done, and pay lots from your pockets because of the inconveniences made by the breakdown. So love your machines... in this case, your employees.
Calling someone at 10:44 at night is totally unacceptable. Many people to to bed earlier than that. She needs to take that up with HR and file a complaint against that supervisor for disturbing her sleep - during her off hours. Talk about chutzpah.
If it’s like two minutes after 5, fine. If I have eaten dinner, fed my dogs, showered, and gotten into bed, then I won’t even return the call in the morning
I have a work phone and a private phone. Gets which ones gets to stay at the office. And which one is not on the company records. I am not responsible for management lack of skill at time management.
We had a major ice storm that took out the majority of the city. I lost phone, power...... for over a week. My manager didn't. He kept trying to contact me. He went so far as to attempt to drive to my house. He had issues.......
" 'Team players' sounds like an overtime league..." Boy, ain't that the truth. When you hear the phrase, "time players" , that's your signal to *RUN* !!! (Or, don't take the job in the first place, if that's mentioned during the interview.)
I would immediately inform HR that, effectively immediately, I will be adding all non-working hours to my timesheet as on-call hours and will expect to be paid for those hours, per the directive I have received from my direct supervisor, Jane Smith. And I would copy Jane and her boss on the email. I would also immediately begin looking for another job.
As a truck driver in the UK, there are very strict laws that the driver must obey. Especially with taking rest breaks, so if the employer calls the driver whilst he’s on his daily break. If any party wanted to follow these rules to the letter, by calling the drivers break must be restarted from the end of that call
Availability is 24/7! OK... malicious compliance mode activated. 4.07 am - boss, there's an urgent issue that needs addressing now, please assist. 4.08 am - boss... 4.09 am - boss... 4.10 am - why is this going to answerphone? 4.11 am - per your written instructions regarding availability at all hours for all employees, you are in breach of your instructions. HR is copied in.
In NC, you can record these conversations without the other party’s knowledge. And while that may be used for nefarious purposes, I’m certainly gonna get a lot of mileage out of it with shitty bosses like this.
You know, I was a manager, and I would leave voice messages after hours. But they were only to get those items off my plate. I didn't expect my team to reply until their working hours.
where in the world do they get the idea they are entilted to your time outside that which they pay for. You want my time,you pay for it. I have church for voulenteer work.
Sadly though, setting healthy, reasonable, professional boundaries does get people fired. It’s wrong, but it happens often. And most are not able/willing to go through litigation over it.
After seeing so many of your vids it still baffles me how these kinds of people that expect their employees to work outside of business hours still exist. At some point, these kinds of people really need to take a hint.
I would be more than happy to be available outside normal working hours. However, I charge double my usual wage ($150), and it's a one-hour minimum each time I am contacted. If the company is unwilling to pay my rates - then the issue is not urgent and can wait until the next business day. Toodaloo.
So, despite the fact that I am available at work for 8 hours of prime day time, you have failed to contact me. If it is taking you more than 8 hours to contact me then there are other issues to be addressed before my availability.
No I am not lazy, I just got hit by a car and it is my 8th concussion and it takes 9 years to recover from a concussion. Get a clue that not every disability is visible, and you could get a discrimination lawsuit for not accommodating someone who needs a job, but is disabled.
My husband does a lot of out of business hours emergency call outs. He gets to charge extra for that so why shouldnt anyone else when it's outside of normal hours ?
Would you or anyone in the comments recommend that I quit my job? I'mnbeing given an unsurmountable amount of work that is beyond the scope of my role, I have to fill in the duties of other areas while managers keep claiming this change if for "better and more efficient flow of information" but in reality I have about 60% more work that IS outside of what my contract originally stated and they expect me to meet the same volume of KPIs I used to with a much smaller list of responsibilities. I was not given a raise and overtime isn't being taken in consideration, instead they're telling us we have to work on Saturdays until noon to meet the deadlines :/ I'm tired I'm so done with this
@Somnus, Yes, find another job ASAP! Don’t put in notice until you have passed any physical exam, background check & credit check, etc. Do make copies of any correspondence regarding your extra responsibilities & hours required and keep at home, including accrued vacation or PTO that will be payable when you leave. As soon as you give notice, expect to be locked out of computer system & ushered off property. So delete any personal files and cleanup physical office.
As @oldstuffbethtx8052 said, be prepared to lose all computer, phone, e-mail, and employee portal access instantly after you put in notice. Download and print out all paystubs, tax documents, and other work-related things that are NOT confidential (like your employment terms and negotiated compensation) and keep them AT HOME or outside of work in triplicate. Also, all documentation of harassment, bullying, coercion, or inappropriate pressuring from management to do more than you are paid to do, should also be printed and kept off-work-site. As far as cleaning out your office, organize, but be careful not to remove highly-visible items in case management catches the hint you're getting ready to leave for another job. Those can be swept off the shelves and desk into a cardboard box on the spot when you finally resign.
I can't reach you whenever I want to outside of working hours. That's an issue all right. I bill my time outside working hours and my rate increases hourly. If you expect to reach me outside of working hours on a regular basis, we'll have to renegotiate my contract to reflect my critical role.
More workers need to adopt this type policy. The "company" has no loyalty to the employee...
To the companies your only a pay role number, and as your their employee. They have a legal duty to make sure that your working environment is not causing you any mental health issues
You're absolutely correct. The company can drop you like an hat, but then they expect you to give them 2 weeks notice. lol
If I'm expected to be reachable at any time, I'm expecting the on call compensation that goes with it even if I end up not being needed.
I once worked for company which paid $12 for on call for whole week ... 24/7 oncall ... is that enough? :D
@@JoATTech jesus that's bad
@@JoATTech not even close as thats a literal violation of federal overtime and double time laws
@@JoATTech In my field (IT) the on call compensation is usually 3 to 5 euro's per hour from 6pm to 8am the next day. When you get a call and need to do some actual work the full hourly rate kicks in and the time you work is rounded up to the nearest half hour. You will get 150% of your hourly rate when you're needed after 8pm or on Saturdays and 200% on Sundays or official holidays.
Personally I usually make a deal with my client that they don't actually pay me for those extra hours, but instead allow me to take the extra time off. So if I had to work a couple of hours one evening or during the weekend, I might take the next Friday afternoon off and still write 8 hours on my time sheet. Makes it much easier for everyone.
@@catsi563 It was ~12 years ago in Poland.
Still breached at least 3 work laws.
Finally we went on strike, and they raised on call duty to ~$60 a week + they started paying normal overtime (before they paid 1:1 - bending the law).
But now I work for global IT corporation. And they do exactly the same. Breaching at least 3 work laws ... every ducking day. No one cares ....
"If my work hours have expanded to an expectation of 24 hours/day, my contract is only for 8 hours/day and will need to be renegotiated."
Yes yes YES. RECORD THOSE CONVERSATIONS. Even if it's just typing it out, having a paper trail is sooooo important
Paper trails help more than a "casual conversation" because it can't be ignored
At least it’s going to be illegal in California soon, hopefully this spreads to other states as well
One of the very few laws coming out of CA that I agree with ...
Simply not needed.
@@thebestblainejohnsonI’m sure you don’t mean that the law isn’t needed. The US is one of the crappiest countries in the world when it comes to how employees are treated. We treat people like they are chewed gum scraped off the bottom of corporates’ shoes. If you believe otherwise there’s a non-zero chance that *you* treat people like this.
@@swtlisaI don't have any problem with people calling me at 7 pm about work occasionally. I also do the same. I am not an hourly employee. Even if I was, why would I care? As long as I was getting a good deal.
Ah we found the corpo shill.@@AshiStarshade
"Your failure to manage your workday schedule and poor communication does not mean I am unreachable."
In the mid 90s, when Blackberries came out, the Partners at a large Law Firm voted NOT to require Associates carry them in off hours. The Partnership recognized they could not control themselves in off hours. Was reported in the American Lawyer Magazine.
Sadly, not the case anymore.
Loved that you started taking notes and her response was... Silence.. Ha. Great video!! ♥️
If anyone was talking to me about this, I definitely would be recording it. And forwarding it to HR
@@selwynowen6213rat
Even my parents wouldn't call me at these late hours ffs. 😒😒😒
We really really want that extra 2 hours of your day!
Well, I really want that extra 20 grand a year.
Can you see a way that we could both get what we want?
*60 grand
I have a rate sheet for being on-call. It goes in all my contracts. The next line is an option: "We decline on-call services" and we codify the next-business-day thing.
Imagine having a contract instead of at-will
Ahhh! The quietness that occurred when she found out all that was being said was being put into an email. ❤❤❤
And that's one big reason to do it. Either they backpedal on the request, which means you're off the hook, or they confirm, and they're *on* the hook, for violating labor laws or the like.
Yep. At least when you get let go, you have documentation to try & fight for unemployment
I would love to see you add a new set of scenarios for IT workers and here is why. In the mid 1960’s large companies started lobbying the government to make IT workers exempt from overtime rules even though they were not management thus making them unable to receive overtime. Because of this and that computer systems run 24/7 the on call became part of an IT worker’s life. Before remote access that meant getting into your car and driving to work at all hours and working until the problem was solved. (I have work 37 hours straight on this type of issue). Then in the 1980’s again large companies saw the rise of the independent contractor who demanded to be paid for hours worked so they had the IRS state that this type of worker needed to be incorporated but they had lawyers and accountants excepted (rule 1706). I have had a client page me in a casino in Vegas, leave a message for me at Disney World and a resort in southern California. With remote access so common today the travel impact is minimal but the 24/7 attitude is still there without compensation. I find your skits very much to the point. Keep them coming.
Agree. IT is a world in itself and yes, we are expected to be on call 24/7/365, especially if you are in any type of production services or cyber security type of a role. They never hire enough people yet they want 24-hour coverage. We are also usually passionate about what we are working on which comes to our detriment because we do end up answering calls at all times of the night because we may be working on systems that deal with banking, hospitals, and the like, which need immediate action. If they hire enough staff then maybe we wouldn't have to worry about these calls. But yes you are not seen as doing your job if you don't answer them.
agreed. been there, done that but retired now. but your story hits home with me, too.
I have driven an hour to downtown at 3 a.m., restarted the servers that had gone offline, returned home and was back in the office for 9 a.m. the same day with zero additional compensation.
Wow. That is *HORRIBLE* !!! I always thought IT people got "on call" pay and overtime.
That is unconscionable!
God forbid the CEOs don't pull down the big bucks.
global companies solve this issue by putting people in different time zones, so when it's night in the US, they are in their working day and can take the issues without needing overtime. Only if a certain piece of hardware is involved (and they try to split those to the different sites as well, so you can switch to the back-up system until the people come in to fix the main one) you still have on-call issues. And given that some countries have their week-end at different days, you can play around with that as well, needing only few out of normal hours people.
Okay, team player. Makes calls to boss:
Monday 4:45 am and 10:45pm
Tuesday: midnight and 2am
Wednesday: 7pm, 1am, and 5am
Thursday: 11pm and 3am
Friday: exactly at 5:45pm (know you're communting) 8pm, 1:30am, and 4am
Saturday: 6:45am, noon, 3pm, 8pm, midnight, 2:45am 4:45am
Sunday: 9:15am, 1pm, 11pm, 3am
Boss: "what the H do you want?"
Me: "team player here with that availability mandate!"
I love malicious compliance!
You tell ‘em Haley! Also, if you want the cherry on top? Send the transcripts to the big leagues e.g. CEO, main manager (Yes I’m aware it’s a skit, but come on, it’d be interesting and funny to see the boss’s reaction unless this is the main manager/CEO then time to quit with such a toxic environment)
A follow-up skit would be most excellent!
send to my boss, CC to boss's boss, dickhead and dickhead's boss. just for this convo.
i work in a 200 people company and the CEO knows everyone, CC him if the call ended nasty.
Unfortunately, there are very few CEO's that will agree. They respond with things like "Not today, not tomorrow, but sometime in the next month I want that person fired" True story.
Her boss is great in the skits. It's the project manager role that thinks she owns her.
These amazing videos got me through a really difficult time in my life. I didn't know if I would make it through. But them i stumbled across this woman, spending her time acting opposite herself...and i just knew i had to keep pushing through the pain. Thank you so much. ❤
Several years ago, I worked for the federal government, and I learned really quick the "game" of CYA. Cover your a$$. Document EVERYTHING!!!!
Sometimes it pays (literally) to forward a corporate e-mail thread to your personal account or copy it to a thumb drive to preserve it from deletion. It saved my booty on a couple of occasions!
As a European, I find these videos really interesting as it's not a culture I've experienced. If I'm seen still logged in after my working day (I work 7am - 3:30pm), my manager teams messages me to log off immediately. Anything that needs doing can be done on my next working day or I can hand it over to her.
good for you. unfortunately that's not how america works lol.
Last time I checked: emergencies are reserved for family. And unless you came from my parents' union or blood/in law, the office family reunion will be 9-5 per scheduled. 😊😂
"I called you after 10 PM, why didn't you pick up?!"
"My phone goes silent after 5 PM."
And this is why laws are being passed prohibiting employers contacting employees outside of work hours.
I had the same issue when I was working for a driving agency. As they asked me why my mobile phone was switched off at night. I explained that whenever I went to bed, my phone did the same. As if they called me in the middle of the night, I more likely have problems getting back to sleep. And that would be making it unsafe for me to drive the next day
I recently sent an email stating inappropriate behavior from a supervisor, spoke to corporate HR who assured me it would remain private, but now that person along with other managers are giving me the cold shoulder. I continue to do my job to the fullest regardless of their attitude and feel justified that in my current role I am not to be challenged or insulted again. Thank you for encouraging me to stand up for myself! 😊
They probably said "an employee has said such and such." If the supervisor said/did it only to you, they know who did it.
I love it when you respond like that!!! I wish all of us responded this way in similar circumstances!
Definitely agree here. Employees should record all conversations as well as having a paper trail - super important as a lot managers like to deny all accountability of saying what they said
Ah, that be me inviting the works council and HR.
And just to be mean, an Anonymous complaint to her HOA.
In Japan working your employees to death(literally) has been a prevalent practice that is now illegal.
They even have a word for it - Karoshi - Meaning Overwork Death.
Yeah, there's a reason that it's a somewhat common Isekai anime death. :
@@theyoftheravens Gotta love those titles, like "I Spent Ten Years Working At A Black Company Before Collapsing And Finding Myself In Another World Where I Became A Pinball Wizard"
My entire team blocks out time during work hours to.... GASP work! We don't answer calls, emails, meeting requests during those times. We focus on you know... WORK!
Love the mug with the handle included!
While I find these videos insightful, I'm thinking it only works to push back at a manager like this when you know your great at your job and your job is important to the company, and your skillset is one that can easily gain you another position elsewhere quickly while it would also be hard to replace you. If you aren't the top guru in your post, might not have the same power leverage to push back like on this video.
But the typing out of the conversation for later documentation is important.
Thank you - this is starting to bug me about this person's content. While I appreciate the sentiment that employees should not be available beyond their working hours and I do agree, speaking in such a condescending way to your supervisor is a sure way to put yourself squarely on their bad side. Most people are 100% replaceable - and nothing about her many characters indicate that they wouldn't be, either. Never underestimate the fact that the employer has more power in this 'relationship' than you. I am worried that she is encouraging her audience to behave in a manner that is going to prevent them from opportunities, or worse, lead to them being removed from their positions.
Too true, Mr greene
@@saoirserubio536what's your line that you will not let management cross. It seems that the company ms. Whaley uses as an example has power as it's only currency. That's not a good company to work for.
HR exists to shield the cmpany. It has nothing to do with employee rights.
If laws are broken, HR need to deal with it. If she gets fired, she now has evidence of retaliatory actions, also against the law.
Sometimes you can get HR on your side by quoting a labor law or ordinance and expressing a willingness to follow through. If a manager or veep or even officer is opening the company up to litigation or prosecution, believe me, they WANT to know!
The only time they are on your side is if they think you have a lawsuit against them. Best buddies then! Anything else? You are a number and easily replaced.
They are strictly risk-management for the company. If it lowers risk, they'll first get rid of you.
I found that out the hard way
If I'm to be available 24/7 then I should be paid as such. If not but you still want me to answer my phone whenever you call, then each call is worth one hour of pay.
Years ago my dad worked as a technician in a chemical plant earning an hourly wage and being paid T&1/2 for overtime, of which there was a reasonable amount that Dad didn't mind working. When the shop boss retired, the company wanted to make Dad the shop boss. "You'll be salaried and we'll raise your salary to effectively $10k more than what you're presently making." Dad asked, "How 'bout overtime pay?" "Nope, no more of that. You'll be a 'professional', exempt from overtime pay." Dad replied, "Nope, I'd be a dumb-ass GIVING my time to a company who doesn't appreciate my time as much as I do. Give the white shirt and tie to someone else." Only an egotist falls for the "you'll be an 'exempt professional' corporate scam.
I wish I had your moxie. I'm getting better at it, though. 😊
I would say "Yes, I am not a team player. I am good at my job and I can adequately accomplish my tasks without unneeded help. Should my job description be updated to include overtime and mandatory team building measures, I am willing to re-negotiate my contract."
Wouldn't work in u.s.
No contracts & at-will
I learn something new every day here. I am grateful that I don't encompass any of the corp issues highlighted on this channel, but will keep following just in case!
Loe, I have just turned sixty, so I'm ready to join your dad's prank force. Would you please introduce us?
I've seen many of these clips and never noticed the coffee cup. PRICELESS!
OMG the mug is AWESOME
"Between the hours of 8am and 5pm, I am totally dedicated to this team, and I do not take personal phone calls during this time. During the hours of 5.01pm to 7.59am I am playing for my home team and I extend them the same courtesy regarding phone calls that you expect of me."
Well-said 👏👏👏
I'm taking notes to turn in with my "outside work hours" compensation bill.
I'm sure HR and payroll will appreciate this 😉
Paper trail!
As a pilot, and a Gen X, I have no fs to give. But I might need that coffee mug.😂
My working hours are posted and in black and white. Anything you need from me beyond that is 'on call' which I am not contracted for and will be charged accordingly.
I dont know how many of these vids I have watched and she picks up that coffee cup and I just now clicked on what it says. Holy crap how did I miss something that obvious and funny?!
If only that actually worked IRL. I've worked at companies where the policy from the top-down was overwork.
I don't mind my boss calling me outside of work hours. I know if he does it, it's important. In exchange, if i need to take care of something personal during working hours, it's not a problem.
Always have receipts. HR is always interested about these little off the clock talks. 😂
I'd also be recording that meeting.
yup careful of work scams i have 'worked' almost all my life. now i have the luxery of workin at home
Your videos are so spot on. I. Know of a company who has ( or had at least) compulsory voluntary donations to a charity.
Even machines needs to shutdown and have maintenance checks and minor adjustments or repairs.
Otherwise they'll breakdown easily and you'll get no work done, and pay lots from your pockets because of the inconveniences made by the breakdown.
So love your machines... in this case, your employees.
Calling someone at 10:44 at night is totally unacceptable. Many people to to bed earlier than that. She needs to take that up with HR and file a complaint against that supervisor for disturbing her sleep - during her off hours. Talk about chutzpah.
remember, when you die your work will be the first to replace you
I once had a coworker get visibly angry when I started writing notes whenever he spoke to me. I always sent them as an email afterwards 🤣
If it’s like two minutes after 5, fine. If I have eaten dinner, fed my dogs, showered, and gotten into bed, then I won’t even return the call in the morning
I have a work phone and a private phone. Gets which ones gets to stay at the office. And which one is not on the company records.
I am not responsible for management lack of skill at time management.
If they want me to be available all the time, then they have to pay me all the time. simple.
Yes! Document, document, document!
I just love this girl... Toodaloo!
We had a major ice storm that took out the majority of the city. I lost phone, power...... for over a week. My manager didn't. He kept trying to contact me. He went so far as to attempt to drive to my house. He had issues.......
" 'Team players' sounds like an overtime league..." Boy, ain't that the truth. When you hear the phrase, "time players" , that's your signal to *RUN* !!! (Or, don't take the job in the first place, if that's mentioned during the interview.)
That is like calling some lazy because they got hit by a car
Toodles
Make sure EVERYTHING is in writing. Documentation is key - I am a HR manager, documentation will always help you win and back yourself
Or at least help to fight for unemployment after you're let go
I just … sigh… I just had this conversation today. I was ordered to be available during my lunch hour and after hours.
I would immediately inform HR that, effectively immediately, I will be adding all non-working hours to my timesheet as on-call hours and will expect to be paid for those hours, per the directive I have received from my direct supervisor, Jane Smith. And I would copy Jane and her boss on the email. I would also immediately begin looking for another job.
I need a 'UNT' cup. I'm a graduate of that university, indeed, it's my favourite food.
Every high school student ought to study this dialogue - Socratic wisdom. (Have a look at Plato’s dialogue, ‘The Gorgias’, Sections 350 to 494.)
It's weird watching this, not being from the USA. Other first-world countries have rights for their employees.
As a truck driver in the UK, there are very strict laws that the driver must obey. Especially with taking rest breaks, so if the employer calls the driver whilst he’s on his daily break. If any party wanted to follow these rules to the letter, by calling the drivers break must be restarted from the end of that call
I have a great job and an even better manager. I am so fortunate and Iam grateful every day that I get to work at home full time without a bra!!!
Availability is 24/7!
OK... malicious compliance mode activated.
4.07 am - boss, there's an urgent issue that needs addressing now, please assist.
4.08 am - boss...
4.09 am - boss...
4.10 am - why is this going to answerphone?
4.11 am - per your written instructions regarding availability at all hours for all employees, you are in breach of your instructions. HR is copied in.
I’m enjoying the trend of having boss = worker + blazer
Love your vids...Subbed! 😄
In NC, you can record these conversations without the other party’s knowledge. And while that may be used for nefarious purposes, I’m certainly gonna get a lot of mileage out of it with shitty bosses like this.
Love the “unt” mug, recently saw an “ick” mug with a reversed handle 😂
You know, I was a manager, and I would leave voice messages after hours. But they were only to get those items off my plate. I didn't expect my team to reply until their working hours.
where in the world do they get the idea they are entilted to your time outside that which they pay for. You want my time,you pay for it. I have church for voulenteer work.
Sadly though, setting healthy, reasonable, professional boundaries does get people fired. It’s wrong, but it happens often. And most are not able/willing to go through litigation over it.
After seeing so many of your vids it still baffles me how these kinds of people that expect their employees to work outside of business hours still exist. At some point, these kinds of people really need to take a hint.
I would be more than happy to be available outside normal working hours. However, I charge double my usual wage ($150), and it's a one-hour minimum each time I am contacted. If the company is unwilling to pay my rates - then the issue is not urgent and can wait until the next business day. Toodaloo.
So, despite the fact that I am available at work for 8 hours of prime day time, you have failed to contact me. If it is taking you more than 8 hours to contact me then there are other issues to be addressed before my availability.
Toodaloo!
i know its not real but what did they answer when you did send that email?
Hahahaha….. This is hilarious
Get all that recorded HR will have a field day!
Or at least it's documentation to fight for unemployment after they let you go
" i am typing my rate for 24/7 availability and boy it does not look good for you" 😅
Unless you are being paid to be on-call never answer work calls or read work emails outside of work hours. That is wage theft.
No I am not lazy, I just got hit by a car and it is my 8th concussion and it takes 9 years to recover from a concussion. Get a clue that not every disability is visible, and you could get a discrimination lawsuit for not accommodating someone who needs a job, but is disabled.
Corporate toadie can suck it. Pay for the overtime demanded.
Team player is such a joke.....
The only time my job is for overtime.
Send a copy to your lawyer instantly under "lawsuit?"
Boss is lucky she doesn't work in France
My husband does a lot of out of business hours emergency call outs. He gets to charge extra for that so why shouldnt anyone else when it's outside of normal hours ?
Corporations think they own you.
Would you or anyone in the comments recommend that I quit my job? I'mnbeing given an unsurmountable amount of work that is beyond the scope of my role, I have to fill in the duties of other areas while managers keep claiming this change if for "better and more efficient flow of information" but in reality I have about 60% more work that IS outside of what my contract originally stated and they expect me to meet the same volume of KPIs I used to with a much smaller list of responsibilities. I was not given a raise and overtime isn't being taken in consideration, instead they're telling us we have to work on Saturdays until noon to meet the deadlines :/ I'm tired I'm so done with this
@Somnus, Yes, find another job ASAP! Don’t put in notice until you have passed any physical exam, background check & credit check, etc. Do make copies of any correspondence regarding your extra responsibilities & hours required and keep at home, including accrued vacation or PTO that will be payable when you leave. As soon as you give notice, expect to be locked out of computer system & ushered off property. So delete any personal files and cleanup physical office.
As @oldstuffbethtx8052 said, be prepared to lose all computer, phone, e-mail, and employee portal access instantly after you put in notice. Download and print out all paystubs, tax documents, and other work-related things that are NOT confidential (like your employment terms and negotiated compensation) and keep them AT HOME or outside of work in triplicate. Also, all documentation of harassment, bullying, coercion, or inappropriate pressuring from management to do more than you are paid to do, should also be printed and kept off-work-site. As far as cleaning out your office, organize, but be careful not to remove highly-visible items in case management catches the hint you're getting ready to leave for another job. Those can be swept off the shelves and desk into a cardboard box on the spot when you finally resign.
Very, very good advice/list!
10:45 pm? Do that to me and you will regret it.
Oh yeah 👍🏾💯
Why are you calling after 10:30 pm. And what was so important
ToodaFUQINloo!
I can't reach you whenever I want to outside of working hours. That's an issue all right. I bill my time outside working hours and my rate increases hourly. If you expect to reach me outside of working hours on a regular basis, we'll have to renegotiate my contract to reflect my critical role.