@@danielaramburo7648 Because rimmed cartridges need additional consideration in the magazine and the pickup. It's why virtually every round since the development of self-loading weapons hasn't been rimmed. Now, maybe they are sitting on enough existing 7.62x54R to justify the extra engineering and manufacturing?
@@werewolfnar It's probably a chicken and egg thing. If they have a million tonnes of 7.62x54R ammo in warehouses and tooling for it in a hundred factories, that's what they'll make rifles for.
Fun fact: Even when bayonet charges were a thing, they rarely ever resulted in casualties. It was far more likely that the guys being charged just fell back or repelled the attackers with musket fire. Turns out no one likes getting into giant melee where 90% of everyone involved is probably getting stabbed, who knew?
When I was a conscript in Serbian army my M70 also had a sticky gas tube release lever and as Ian i also used bolt carrier rail to unlock it . Thank you Ian for the memories :)
@@strahinjastevic7480 Having been trained with it, I would prefer M70 to M21. There is still something to be said about the range and mass of 7,62x39 over the terrain and through light cover. Basically, it works, is cheap and available and, even if it is UN mission, if things go South on massive scale, I bet you can get some extra ammo scavenging dead enemies.
@@strahinjastevic7480 developing a brand new firearm, let alone retooling an entire factory to manufacture a new gun costs millions of dollars and takes years. The advantage that the new firearm has to offer in practical lethality has to he justified for the cost. Its a lot cheaper to do nip-tucks with a weapon system then to replace entire assembly lines and retrain and equip an entire army for a very minimal increase in lethality. Only nations with more money than sense replace their arsenal semi-frequently.
They make them in both NATO and Russian calibers. Not sure why the import is of the one only. The link is for their Serbian web www.zastava-arms.rs/en/sniper-rifle-m91/
Well the M91 was developed after the PK-T (PKM) machinegun licence was obtained along with the T-72 tank licence that is when the cartridge got reintroduced to the Serbian/Yugoslavian army for the 3rd time. Also it was planed as an export only weapon but things change in turbulent times...
Basically wrong! The Swiss gp1890 is oldest... they did same as the Russians and change to a different bullet pre World War One...and did call it gp(19)11. so gp11 is basically designed and adoptet a year before 7,62x54r
The reason they switched from the M76 to the M91 is because they introduced the M84 PKM to replace the M53 (MG42 copy). So standardizing on the 7.62mm made sense from a logistical standpoint.
@@SteveSmith-wm4qy I hung the link and look about the M17 A unique rifle, it is about to come into use It uses two calibers It will be made in all assault versions, short machine gun, automatic rifle, machine gun and sniper. That is, due to the possibility of quick replacement of the pipes, one platform will be able to be used for all configurations, the only difference is the pipe!
@@peterthepeter7523 They don't. But as mentioned in the video neither the M76 nor the M91 are "sniper rifles". They are DMRs, as such they don't really require special ammo. Also with your DMR within the squad you will fire a lot more ammo during a firefight than a sniper, so sharing the ammo with your machine gun is a definite advantage. This was the main reason the M76 was developed around the 8mm round, because the M53 used it.
@@peterthepeter7523 By "they don't" I was refering to the need to deliver special match grade ammo to the DMR guy in the group. While today most combat is in a security enforcing role where ammo shortage and delivery of special cartridges and calibers is less of an issue, back in the day the Yugoslav army was preparing for an invasion by the soviet union. During a War it's far better to have less calibers to deal with, because even if you try to get better ammo to the guys using the M91, they can still use PKM rounds if nothing else is available. There is no real reason to keep the 8mm Mauser around if your machine gun doesn't use it anymore.
7.62x54mmR is a common cartridge used in many weapons on the modern battlefield. It was lethal in both world wars and still is. No point wasting more money replacing something that isn't broken and still works.
Look wise, i prefer the m76 a lot. But considering 8mil is basically non existent now, and 54r is standard all over eastern europe this is probably the superior gun.
@@vanja2565 alls good and well until you have to leave Serbia and rely on your own supply lines because no one has that odd as hell cartridge your using. Thats probably why they made the switch.
Not sure, what You mean. Non existent in military use? Maybe military warehouses have lots of 7.62x54r. But when it comes to availability in stores, I can walk into my closest gun store and choose from 5 different brands of 8x57. Whereas I have two brands of 7.62 in 2 loadings. Also some ancient milsurp, but not all of the time. Probably the same in most former soviet satellites in Europe. I'm pretty sure any ammo manufacturer in Europe could ramp up production of 8x57.
I would love to see Ian talk to Predrag Igrutinovic. He is engeener warking on this rifle and now he is retired and warking in private company... I talked to that guy few times and learned a lot... He is like walking enciclopedia and after talking to him you would never watch rifles, any rifle in the same way as before.
Just a little clarification for our American friends followers of Gun Jesus gospel, when dealing with Zastava (in English it means Flag:). PAP = stands for (Polu Automatska Puška) Semi Automatic Rifle (mostly old Zastava's SKS had that designation) ZPAP = stands for (Zastavina Polu Automatska Puška) Zastava"s Semi Automatic Rifle (every civilian legal rifle of Zastava) AP = stands for (Automatska Puška) Automatic Rifle (M70 family of weapons, still in Service in Serbian Army and Police) In Serbian Army nomenclature there is only Semi Automatic Rifle and Automatic Rifle; we never used the term Assault Rifle even when our paratroopers and other types of Special Forces used STG 44 until mid '60s. All hail Gun Jesus and hello from Serbia!
@@vanja2565 "Assault rifle" Kod nas je Automatska puška (AP) a "Submachinegun" samo "Automat" Sećam se kada sam služio rok da nam je starešina obraćao pažnju na to kada je pričao o hekleru i ostalim dugim cevima u pištoljskom kalibru
Rev Jerusalem like the joke: A guy goes into the auto parts store and asks the clerk, “Can I get a fuel filler cap for my Yugo?” The clerk talks to the manager and comes back “Yes, boss says we can make that trade.”
James May: "The Moskvitch 408 [...] This particular one was built in the factory where they also made the AK-47 rifle... the difference is, this is much more lethal."
@Jake Cain they are typically 23.3" and in between 1:9 and 1:10. They are never made in imperial measurements. Makes it difficult for us westerners to remember the specs.
Oh look, the 3/4 of the price my mother paid for her new Yugo. The story is that Zastava cars are overpriced because you paid for the weapons thy where making.
Actually Zastava car manufacturing and Zastava arms manufacturing are in two completely different cities, they just share the name because zastava means flag in serbian and communist countries with their obsession to name a lot of thing red flag or red banner
those two factories had nothing in common well except the name, aand they were both located in the same city, but zastava arms never produced any parts for yugo nor zastava car fac. participated in the production of the armament
There are no yugo guns. All of "yugo" guns are Serbian and made in Serbia. Actually equipment that was made in yugoslavia wasnt exactly good so calling serbian gun yugo in their eyes means that it sucks.
@@vanja2565 Serbia was part of yugoslavia until the civil war in the 90's, its ok to call the rifles before that as yugoslav, calling the ones after the civilwar yugoslav is just asking for trouble tho
@@migkillerphantom the main reason yugoslavia switched to 7.62x54R is becouse of machine guns. This gun happens to be in the beforementioned becouse of logisticical convinience
Import restrictions on features like bayonet lugs are more insidious than even most gun people think. The language of the import ban largely echos the Assault Weapons Ban. Therefore, "No bayonet lugs" effectively means no semiauto military surplus or semiauto versions of modern military service rifles. Even the M1 Garand would be banned and other functionally similar rifles are banned if foreign made. No semiautomatics plus bayonet lug or pistol grip or detachable magazine or grenade launching capability among other features effectively rules out the vast majority of interesting firearms.
As a below average - average videogamer who has never had an actual real firearm in his hands, I can tell you for sure, that the upper rail on the handguard is for canted sights
Definitely appears to be a heavier barrel than my PSL, magazines are probably more reliable too. Price tag is entirely too high though. I put an 8x42 POSP Pro on mine. Never thought that 4x was enough on these various 54R rifles.
Quite visually pleasing...probably because of the Dragunovi style. Really big fan of DMRs and Sniper rifles simply from a design perspective. Would love to see even more coverage of both!
@@GreenHellTube It is the same kind of confusion which occurs with AK variants. For most, any AK is an AK-47 when, in fact, true AK-47 rifles are fairly rare.
@@GreenHellTube Wow I didn't actually know they made any. Just watched Miles' video about em and I think the manufacturing logic would be real interesting to talk aboot.
I can see why they did it but it's a bit odd to 'modernise' the ammo for your self loading rifle with a rimmed cartridge when you previously had a rimless one.
It's most similar to a Vepr. Molot factory in Vyatskie Polyany developed about 20 different civilian versions of high-caliber RPK action rifles, all with the fat trunnion.
Brinkwolf most people seem to use the Russian pronunciation of the word with stress on the second syllable rather than the first. As an aside, not only is the pronunciation different but so are the meanings.
Hey Ian you said didn't know what the top rail was for. Well there are night vision adapters for scopes like that scope and it is mounted right in front of that said scope and now gives the shooter night vision capability
Excellent video as always. But if it wasn't for your hands in the frame I would have sworn you'd filmed in Black & White during the closeups of the rifle and the table cloth
There is a rail-mounted 5x80 night vision sight that was produced by Zrak for the M76 and M70 variants with side rails which was later also used for the M91, but that thing is pretty outdated at this point. You'd have to have pretty good eye relief to mount night vision sights on the handguard, probably better to just use one of those siderail-picatinny mounts.
On a side note, COMBLOC patterned AK's, PSL's, etc. are not bullet hoses as often spewed on the interwebz. The iron sights on these wespons are crude at best and do an injustice to their accuracy potential. Mount a decent red dot or 1 - 6X scope on any of these with a solid mount system and you can easilly rock & roll with realistic groups all day. They were designed to be minute of man, not quarter MOA, but they sing a song worth remembering either way. Fun Times !
The adjustable gas valve on the M91 also makes a rather confusing appearance on the Zastava M90NP rifle in .223. It's existence was always a little baffling on the M90. A bit of advice on the M91 that comes from the M90, it's remarkably easy to snap the retaining tab for the gas valve off the tube and it pretty much shuts down the rifle, worth keeping an eye on the little guy.
I have to correct you. Yugosalv army didnt adopt 8mmMause after WW 2 because of big stockpilles of German army material, but 8mm Mauser is adopted in 1920s' . M24 Yugoslav Carabine was made in 8mm Mauser (7,9mm x 57 called in Yugoslavia). Before that official Serbian caliber was 7mm by 57 mauser (as you know, considering that you made video about Serbian weapons of WW 1 etc) best regards
Well, i love your chanell. Why? Because, i'm from ex Yugoslavian Republic, and i'm serve in gandarmerie and police suport unit 24 years. In the first 10 years' i use the M91 and M75 ( scope's 6x50 and 4x23 - ZRAK) Is not bad rifle ( exept M91) for the range 300 meters ( because scopes) Now, i use the Steyr SSG police 308 ( Scope Schmit& bander 4-16x55), and that is the good enough. Best regard from Republic of Srpska
Its cool seeing Ian with a gun I actually own. I wish you would have taken it all the way down. The trigger is different and I am still trying to get all the cosmo out of mine. You have build #232, mine is #132. Thanks for all the videos.
We use those,and i've fired it,I'm from Montenegro,you know the small little brother of Balkan.We have our own rifles which i've never seen videos about,so i am interested to see if you can make a video about them. The weapons are Tata TM-4,Tara TM-10 and Tara TM9 a pistol,rifle,and a DMR.
@@tomicbranislav3 How can they be anywhere near Zastava type rifles?Zastava makes AK and Galil type weapons.Tara TM-4 and TM-10 are AR-15 and AR-10 based rifles.I don't see a reason not to take a look at them.
I assume the rail on top of the handguard would be for a backup red dot. Would give you the ability to shoot things at night/close up more quickly than the stock sights/scope. Could argue it might not hold zero too well, but a small red dot won't shake as much and it doesn't exactly need to be precision. Just fast. You'd use the scope when you have time to.
At the transition at 8:00, it looks like Ian cleaned off a lot of the lubrication present on the gas piston/bolt carrier. I'm not very knowledgeable about gun mechanics, so I'd like to know if that would at all present itself as a detriment to the weapon's life, or if you could just slather some lubrication back on and fit it back in. I'd assume so, but I'd still like to know :^)
the flip up sights would have been useful in an actual combat situation, not much use for the civilians since as you said, it has a scope which renders the iron sights useless aslong as its on
@@strahinjastevic7480 I thought it was something like that. In combat a scope may get damaged so having another option makes sense. A scope shouldn't get damaged in any civilian context. Except dropping it maybe.
If you would compare Zastava M2010 (M77PS using 308. winchester) vs this Zastava M91 how much would be the difference and why would the better weapon be better? I would really appreciate your response. Thank you.
The landing strip on your chin looks like it’s getting a little overgrown with weeds and brush. Might want to get the grounds crew to trim it back so that customers will want to start landing there again.
I was enlisted in the Serbian army for 10 years. Never seen M91 in person. I don't know what kind of information is available to you but this gun is not exactly standard Serbian DMR, it is still M76.
Hi to all including Ian. I have just bought a Zastava M2010, in 308 Win. It appears to be very close to this rifle and the M77 except the stock is a synthetic keyhole and is designated a Commercial Hunting rifle, its semi auto. Would this be built to the same military standard as the M77 and M91 so would i be able to use standard 7.62 NATO? cheers
Of course he has the updated model with the detent for Muzzle devices. still wish they added the front and rear flip up sights. Especially for its cost. --__--
The scope was so nice, he named it twice. ;) Kidding aside, it's not entirely accurate to say that Yugoslavia standardized on 7.92x57 Mauser because of German surplus. They did produce copies and derivatives of German weapons, but their prewar standard rifle was already a 7.92mm Mauser of the FN 1924 pattern. Hence all the scrubbed and rebuilt M24/47 rifles that flooded onto the US market alongside the postwar M48s.
You haven't played enough Tarkov, evidently. You can mount a flat laser sight on the top rail, and then you can mount the dovetail to rail mount adapter and put a hueg scope on that, so it's looking above the laser sight.
they adopted it since they aquired the licence for the PKM in the last decades of the 20th century for logistical reasons, yugoslavia till then was really into the mauser calibre becouse as Ian said, alot of german stuff was left over after the war and yugoslavia before the war mainly used mauser rifles
A rifle designed in 1991, chambered in a cartridge that originally fed a rifle from 1891
Centennial tribute that still works.
@@ratagris21 Don't fix what isn't broken amirite?
@@danielaramburo7648 Because rimmed cartridges need additional consideration in the magazine and the pickup. It's why virtually every round since the development of self-loading weapons hasn't been rimmed. Now, maybe they are sitting on enough existing 7.62x54R to justify the extra engineering and manufacturing?
@@werewolfnar It's probably a chicken and egg thing. If they have a million tonnes of 7.62x54R ammo in warehouses and tooling for it in a hundred factories, that's what they'll make rifles for.
So rthyming.
removed bayonet lug to comply with import regulations... right because of all the carnage that bayonet charges have caused in the last 100 years
It had to be removed presumably as the bayonet lug was used to stabilized the chainsaw bayonet.
Don´t you worry. You can use a picatinny bayonet :)
See, it has worked. How many bayonet charge incident you know, huh? ;-)
Fun fact: Even when bayonet charges were a thing, they rarely ever resulted in casualties. It was far more likely that the guys being charged just fell back or repelled the attackers with musket fire. Turns out no one likes getting into giant melee where 90% of everyone involved is probably getting stabbed, who knew?
The dildo bayonet is exceptionally dangerous
Its an AK but for when the dudes are way over there.
@rip rip uh I don't think you get the concept of AKs
@Lazar Cvetkovic You could say it's an M70 but for when the dudes are way over there, because it's Zastava's version of AK-47.
rip rip pa ista sranje brate mi govorimo kalash ovde ne govorimo zastava rezumješ
@@benjobrat3546 yes i totally agree with that statement
DV_laeffy lol I was saying we call aks kalash not zastava
"At least, if you're Right Handed"
The eternal misery of Ian.
He just needs to glue his left hand to his magnificent man mane and learn to do things properly with his other hand
@@lovecraftcat i use mice and write left handed, but i shoot guns (and my load) right handed, tf am i
Djordje Oljaca Cross eye dominant. So am I, but opposite of you
SinisterHanded...
He could have learned to shoot right handed. I've seen many lefty's that could.
When I was a conscript in Serbian army my M70 also had a sticky gas tube release lever and as Ian i also used bolt carrier rail to unlock it . Thank you Ian for the memories :)
i still cant beleive they still issue those antiques, especially now that we have the m21 and a new assault rifle on the way
@@strahinjastevic7480 That was 15 years ago :D
@@Ducza same thing nowadays, they even send people on UN missions with them which is just utterly embarassing
@@strahinjastevic7480 Having been trained with it, I would prefer M70 to M21. There is still something to be said about the range and mass of 7,62x39 over the terrain and through light cover. Basically, it works, is cheap and available and, even if it is UN mission, if things go South on massive scale, I bet you can get some extra ammo scavenging dead enemies.
@@strahinjastevic7480 developing a brand new firearm, let alone retooling an entire factory to manufacture a new gun costs millions of dollars and takes years.
The advantage that the new firearm has to offer in practical lethality has to he justified for the cost.
Its a lot cheaper to do nip-tucks with a weapon system then to replace entire assembly lines and retrain and equip an entire army for a very minimal increase in lethality.
Only nations with more money than sense replace their arsenal semi-frequently.
Modernize to use oldest cartridge still in use.
Now that is an oxymoron.
And they moved to stamped receivers!
LOL, good note! :D
They make them in both NATO and Russian calibers. Not sure why the import is of the one only. The link is for their Serbian web www.zastava-arms.rs/en/sniper-rifle-m91/
Well the M91 was developed after the PK-T (PKM) machinegun licence was obtained along with the T-72 tank licence that is when the cartridge got reintroduced to the Serbian/Yugoslavian army for the 3rd time.
Also it was planed as an export only weapon but things change in turbulent times...
Basically wrong! The Swiss gp1890 is oldest... they did same as the Russians and change to a different bullet pre World War One...and did call it gp(19)11. so gp11 is basically designed and adoptet a year before 7,62x54r
The reason they switched from the M76 to the M91 is because they introduced the M84 PKM to replace the M53 (MG42 copy). So standardizing on the 7.62mm made sense from a logistical standpoint.
M76 is better...
M17 is the best!!!
@@Truth-Istina I prefer the M76 too. The 8mm Mauser is a great cartridge and the M76 just looks very nice.
@@SteveSmith-wm4qy
I hung the link and look about the M17 A unique rifle, it is about to come into use It uses two calibers It will be made in all assault versions, short machine gun, automatic rifle, machine gun and sniper. That is, due to the possibility of quick replacement of the pipes, one platform will be able to be used for all configurations, the only difference is the pipe!
@@peterthepeter7523 They don't. But as mentioned in the video neither the M76 nor the M91 are "sniper rifles". They are DMRs, as such they don't really require special ammo. Also with your DMR within the squad you will fire a lot more ammo during a firefight than a sniper, so sharing the ammo with your machine gun is a definite advantage. This was the main reason the M76 was developed around the 8mm round, because the M53 used it.
@@peterthepeter7523 By "they don't" I was refering to the need to deliver special match grade ammo to the DMR guy in the group. While today most combat is in a security enforcing role where ammo shortage and delivery of special cartridges and calibers is less of an issue, back in the day the Yugoslav army was preparing for an invasion by the soviet union. During a War it's far better to have less calibers to deal with, because even if you try to get better ammo to the guys using the M91, they can still use PKM rounds if nothing else is available. There is no real reason to keep the 8mm Mauser around if your machine gun doesn't use it anymore.
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For $3,500 (before taxes and shipping) they should machine out a bayonet lug, come with night sights, and add a muzzle device. I mean god damn!
Complain to the import laws (which are bs)
7.62x54mmR is a common cartridge used in many weapons on the modern battlefield. It was lethal in both world wars and still is. No point wasting more money replacing something that isn't broken and still works.
I'm so early Ian is still building his bunker somewhere in Arizona
Look wise, i prefer the m76 a lot. But considering 8mil is basically non existent now, and 54r is standard all over eastern europe this is probably the superior gun.
Ngl I'd like to see 8mil make a comeback
Actually in serbia it's easy to find, you'll have a harder time finding 7.62x51 than 8mm
@@vanja2565 alls good and well until you have to leave Serbia and rely on your own supply lines because no one has that odd as hell cartridge your using.
Thats probably why they made the switch.
Not sure, what You mean. Non existent in military use? Maybe military warehouses have lots of 7.62x54r. But when it comes to availability in stores, I can walk into my closest gun store and choose from 5 different brands of 8x57. Whereas I have two brands of 7.62 in 2 loadings. Also some ancient milsurp, but not all of the time. Probably the same in most former soviet satellites in Europe. I'm pretty sure any ammo manufacturer in Europe could ramp up production of 8x57.
@@Duwurf I'm saying that in serbia it's easier to find 8mm than 7.62x51
I would love to see Ian talk to Predrag Igrutinovic. He is engeener warking on this rifle and now he is retired and warking in private company... I talked to that guy few times and learned a lot... He is like walking enciclopedia and after talking to him you would never watch rifles, any rifle in the same way as before.
He's still employed by Zastava.
@@ninoslavtrifunovic7038 So much about news from internet... Is he still working in Leskovac in that company for Morena project?
Your pronouncination of Zastava is perfect! Good job on that one.
Yeah most of them say Zastaaava with the long "a" but actually his pronunciation is the right one, it's Zaastava.
He says it over and over in the mirror in the morning.
Zastava is still rocking the house: 54R is old but gold.
Caliber is ok but rifle is piece of shit, like almost everything from zastava
Lazar Cvetkovic 😂😂
Just a little clarification for our American friends followers of Gun Jesus gospel, when dealing with Zastava (in English it means Flag:).
PAP = stands for (Polu Automatska Puška) Semi Automatic Rifle (mostly old Zastava's SKS had that designation)
ZPAP = stands for (Zastavina Polu Automatska Puška) Zastava"s Semi Automatic Rifle (every civilian legal rifle of Zastava)
AP = stands for (Automatska Puška) Automatic Rifle (M70 family of weapons, still in Service in Serbian Army and Police)
In Serbian Army nomenclature there is only Semi Automatic Rifle and Automatic Rifle; we never used the term Assault Rifle even when our paratroopers and other types of Special Forces used STG 44 until mid '60s.
All hail Gun Jesus and hello from Serbia!
Also there is no term for submachinegun in Serbian.
@@vanja2565 "Assault rifle" Kod nas je Automatska puška (AP) a "Submachinegun" samo "Automat" Sećam se kada sam služio rok da nam je starešina obraćao pažnju na to kada je pričao o hekleru i ostalim dugim cevima u pištoljskom kalibru
@@vanja2565 Mada mi to "Submachinegun" Takođe koristimo za kraće puške poput m92 i m21S iako su u puščanim kalibrima
@@strahinjastevic7480 prosto nemamo terminologiju jbg. Za mitraljeze smo još i gori. Kod amera se lepo zna šta je šta a kod nas katastrofa
That sudden desire to play s.t.a.l.k.e.r. after watching this video..
But there is no M91 in S.T.A.L.K.E.R
Mods!
"Hey vadya look at my new serbian toy"
@@onionman500blin8 *heavy voice* this is sasha, she is my weapon
Here in Germany we know Zastava better as the manufacturer of the inmfamous Yugo. Good thing the weapons division is not associated with that :D
The u.s got some yugo's, they're basically collectible memes here.
They are not regarded much higher here. They are even less regarded than the Trabant, and those are environmental hazards on wheels.
Rev Jerusalem like the joke: A guy goes into the auto parts store and asks the clerk, “Can I get a fuel filler cap for my Yugo?” The clerk talks to the manager and comes back “Yes, boss says we can make that trade.”
James May:
"The Moskvitch 408 [...] This particular one was built in the factory where they also made the AK-47 rifle... the difference is, this is much more lethal."
It was. With paying overpriced cars we were subsiding arms division.
Love Zastava weapons. Hope you do more in the future
We shall!
Dimitrije Nikolic mozeli sub na moj kannal
@@-alfavucjak ne
zoranhome što
@@-alfavucjak pa ne volim to žicanje subova.
Ian you never tell us about the rifling how many twists.
Chromed????
Tom McLean Yes, but the Serbs used a different process than most others.
@Jake Cain they are typically 23.3" and in between 1:9 and 1:10. They are never made in imperial measurements. Makes it difficult for us westerners to remember the specs.
@@iatsd The UK still uses it in some cases though. Hell Ireland only started using metric a bit over a decade ago.
@@iatsd that's hilarious! Thanks for a good laugh.
I assume the PAP stands for "Polu-Automatska Puška" which translates as Semi-Automatic Rifle...
You are correct. We even call Semi-Automatic Rifle - Papovka (pronouncing like person name)
Zastava makes quality stuff, going to have to look into these.
That's a pretty neat gun you got there Ian, i really liked your explanation on how it works and its history.
I'm a simple Serb: I see gun Jesus with a Serbian gun, I drop a like
as a simple person from an ex-yu state, i see gun jesus with a zastava, i drop a like
I am a simple American.
I see a Zastava and drop a like 🇺🇸❤🇷🇸
Last time I was this early, 7.62 by 54 was a modern cartridge.
Looks like a great rife 'tho.
if it aint broke...
7.62x54r... the eternal cartridge?
Must have been back when you were dating Pelosi in high school?
PLEASE do a video on the M76, it's so beautiful. Also I'd love to see more Zastavas in general on your channel.
He has a couple of videos on M76
@@zoranhome he used some american reproduction garbage rifle
4:20 PAP means semi-automatic rifle
Polu-Automatska Puška- PAP :)
@@milanthemilan5015 papovka
@@milanthemilan5015 jbt tek sam sad skontao
@@bazookaboss332 Pa da,navikli smo na razne oznake i ne razmišljamo šta znače.
Kad su me prvi put pitali što znači PAP, ja sam počeo: Protu Avionski...
I just love that the scope name starts with P.O.S.
I was an LMG guy (M84) in the 63rd but I had to qualify with every weapon the Army used including the M91.... its a great rifle
Branislav Tomic Yes, it is !
Bravo padobranac
Oh look, the 3/4 of the price my mother paid for her new Yugo.
The story is that Zastava cars are overpriced because you paid for the weapons thy where making.
Actually Zastava car manufacturing and Zastava arms manufacturing are in two completely different cities, they just share the name because zastava means flag in serbian and communist countries with their obsession to name a lot of thing red flag or red banner
Your mom has a yugo? Cool mom
@@yayvideogames8032 Had, that car was then given to my cousin who totalled it ... in a car crash ... with a police officer XD
Should've made a buy 1 gun, get 1 Yugo free deal. You pay the realistic price for both of them
those two factories had nothing in common well except the name, aand they were both located in the same city, but zastava arms never produced any parts for yugo nor zastava car fac. participated in the production of the armament
Call me an odd ball but I just love the Yugo guns in general the Yugo's just always had to be a bit different and I like that
There are no yugo guns. All of "yugo" guns are Serbian and made in Serbia. Actually equipment that was made in yugoslavia wasnt exactly good so calling serbian gun yugo in their eyes means that it sucks.
@@vanja2565 Serbia was part of yugoslavia until the civil war in the 90's, its ok to call the rifles before that as yugoslav, calling the ones after the civilwar yugoslav is just asking for trouble tho
@@vanja2565 i see where you're coming from since the zastava factory in serbia was the only arms conglomerate in yugoslavia but still
@@strahinjastevic7480 not really, yugoslavia was a federal country and only Serbia made guns. And as I said rest of "yugo" equipment wasn't very good.
@cody sonnet Uh... Actually, no, nope. Not a protectorate, and for number of years on very uneasy peace with USSR. Never part of WP.
"Modernize" to a rimmed cartidge, lmao
If it ain't broke...
Rimmed cartridges are superior machine gun rounds.
Modernize to an older still very effective and very cheap cartridge. Why not if they still use it in Syria and Yemen and need it.
@@Chiefshadow4 that look like a machine gun to you?
@@migkillerphantom the main reason yugoslavia switched to 7.62x54R is becouse of machine guns. This gun happens to be in the beforementioned becouse of logisticical convinience
Import restrictions on features like bayonet lugs are more insidious than even most gun people think. The language of the import ban largely echos the Assault Weapons Ban. Therefore, "No bayonet lugs" effectively means no semiauto military surplus or semiauto versions of modern military service rifles. Even the M1 Garand would be banned and other functionally similar rifles are banned if foreign made. No semiautomatics plus bayonet lug or pistol grip or detachable magazine or grenade launching capability among other features effectively rules out the vast majority of interesting firearms.
As a below average - average videogamer who has never had an actual real firearm in his hands, I can tell you for sure, that the upper rail on the handguard is for canted sights
no you see upper rail is to mount another scope druže, if yuo have x4 and x8 scope you get x32 scope xaxaxa
Definitely appears to be a heavier barrel than my PSL, magazines are probably more reliable too. Price tag is entirely too high though. I put an 8x42 POSP Pro on mine. Never thought that 4x was enough on these various 54R rifles.
I was hoping Ian would have done a Pirates Union call out when he removed the upper handguard/gas tube! Aaaarrrrrr!
HaHa, for just a second I was expecting that, too. :)
Quite visually pleasing...probably because of the Dragunovi style. Really big fan of DMRs and Sniper rifles simply from a design perspective. Would love to see even more coverage of both!
Finally someone did a review of a rifle from my country
he did zastava m56
@@I_Cunt_Spell Why do you call this man a fool?
@@dimitrijenikolic2314 maybe he is Mr T
@@DiamondkeyOwO I PITTY THE FOOL
@@I_Cunt_Spell He's obviously a kid, what does he know.
Serbia doesn't make the Dragunov, can Iraq be next in the "doesn't make the Dragunov" series?
Al-Kadesiah is an actual SVD copy. Stamped reciever and many minor differences, but still an SVD.
@@GreenHellTube They use the Tabuk DMR, which is an AK with an RPK barrel and special stock
@@GreenHellTube It is the same kind of confusion which occurs with AK variants. For most, any AK is an AK-47 when, in fact, true AK-47 rifles are fairly rare.
@@GreenHellTube Wow I didn't actually know they made any. Just watched Miles' video about em and I think the manufacturing logic would be real interesting to talk aboot.
@@RobertDecker417 Tabuk is also made by Zastava.
I can see why they did it but it's a bit odd to 'modernise' the ammo for your self loading rifle with a rimmed cartridge when you previously had a rimless one.
It's most similar to a Vepr. Molot factory in Vyatskie Polyany developed about 20 different civilian versions of high-caliber RPK action rifles, all with the fat trunnion.
Good lord this thing is beautiful.
John Venable Wait till you actually handle one...
@@winkleried gun show is this weekend I might try to get some upgrade cash. There are a couple on GB that aren't too out of budget
John Venable There is a Unofficial M-91 fan group on FB if you do get one.
God that's a sexy gun!
The end of this video is the best, short-and-sweet explanation of the difference between a sniper rifle and a DMR I have yet to see.
one of the best sniper rifles taking aside the dragunov
The pronunciation of Zastava was pretty good!
Not a particularly hard word to pronounce, pretty phonetic honestly.
@@_waymin Regardless of hardness, my point still stands
@@_waymin But people tend to miss the stress :)
Brinkwolf most people seem to use the Russian pronunciation of the word with stress on the second syllable rather than the first. As an aside, not only is the pronunciation different but so are the meanings.
@@hobofactory Please explain. As a Russian, I've only heard this word with stress on the second syllable.
I always liked the way Ian becomes a bit miffed about a gun having right hand orientation
It’s kinda funny
That barrel is noticeably thicker than my PSL...
You could use the top picatinny rail for a canted red dot sight. If you're not comfortable with using the irons under the PSOP that is.
Nice, looking forward to the range footage.
Hey Ian you said didn't know what the top rail was for. Well there are night vision adapters for scopes like that scope and it is mounted right in front of that said scope and now gives the shooter night vision capability
when you know its a good day you get a forgottenweapons and ınrangetv release in couple minutes.
The top picatinny is for the cup holder attachment, tactical.
Forgotten weapons, was never heard of weapons this time, I love this channel!
Excellent video as always. But if it wasn't for your hands in the frame I would have sworn you'd filmed in Black & White during the closeups of the rifle and the table cloth
Might be wrong, but maybe the top picatinny rail on the handguard could be used to attach night vision optics?
The Soviets already have rail-mounted NV optics russianoptics.net/nightvision.html
Considering that (as Ian mentioned) the picatinny rails on the handguard were a commercial addition, I think that's very unlikely.
There is a rail-mounted 5x80 night vision sight that was produced by Zrak for the M76 and M70 variants with side rails which was later also used for the M91, but that thing is pretty outdated at this point.
You'd have to have pretty good eye relief to mount night vision sights on the handguard, probably better to just use one of those siderail-picatinny mounts.
It's for canted sights, basically you put a red dot or laser canted 45 degrees so you just tilt the gun and use it.
On a side note, COMBLOC patterned AK's, PSL's, etc. are not bullet hoses as often spewed on the interwebz.
The iron sights on these wespons are crude at best and do an injustice to their accuracy potential.
Mount a decent red dot or 1 - 6X scope on any of these with a solid mount system and you can easilly rock & roll with realistic groups all day.
They were designed to be minute of man, not quarter MOA, but they sing a song worth remembering either way.
Fun Times !
WOW! What a Amazing and Beautiful rifle Thanks for show it !
Looks quite similar to a VEPR in 762 54r, curious to see how it compares in use
The adjustable gas valve on the M91 also makes a rather confusing appearance on the Zastava M90NP rifle in .223. It's existence was always a little baffling on the M90. A bit of advice on the M91 that comes from the M90, it's remarkably easy to snap the retaining tab for the gas valve off the tube and it pretty much shuts down the rifle, worth keeping an eye on the little guy.
I have to correct you.
Yugosalv army didnt adopt 8mmMause after WW 2 because of big stockpilles of German army material, but 8mm Mauser is adopted in 1920s' . M24 Yugoslav Carabine was made in 8mm Mauser (7,9mm x 57 called in Yugoslavia). Before that official Serbian caliber was 7mm by 57 mauser (as you know, considering that you made video about Serbian weapons of WW 1 etc)
best regards
For some reason I've always loved this reticle...Damn you MGS3
Bless you
Well, i love your chanell.
Why?
Because, i'm from ex Yugoslavian Republic, and i'm serve in gandarmerie and police suport unit 24 years.
In the first 10 years' i use the M91 and M75 ( scope's 6x50 and 4x23 - ZRAK)
Is not bad rifle ( exept M91) for the range 300 meters ( because scopes)
Now, i use the Steyr SSG police 308 ( Scope Schmit& bander 4-16x55), and that is the good enough.
Best regard from Republic of Srpska
Very cool. Just added to the guns I wish I had but never will
Its cool seeing Ian with a gun I actually own. I wish you would have taken it all the way down. The trigger is different and I am still trying to get all the cosmo out of mine. You have build #232, mine is #132. Thanks for all the videos.
Current opinions on the rifle?
You cleaned that piston... :)
We use those,and i've fired it,I'm from Montenegro,you know the small little brother of Balkan.We have our own rifles which i've never seen videos about,so i am interested to see if you can make a video about them.
The weapons are Tata TM-4,Tara TM-10 and Tara TM9 a pistol,rifle,and a DMR.
Yea but those are either Zastava or Western weapons clones.....
@@tomicbranislav3 How can they be anywhere near Zastava type rifles?Zastava makes AK and Galil type weapons.Tara TM-4 and TM-10 are AR-15 and AR-10 based rifles.I don't see a reason not to take a look at them.
@@M18Hellcat Yea sorry I forgot they were based on the AR... no reason not to look at them ....
@@tomicbranislav3 lol the irony is strong in this one
I assume the rail on top of the handguard would be for a backup red dot. Would give you the ability to shoot things at night/close up more quickly than the stock sights/scope. Could argue it might not hold zero too well, but a small red dot won't shake as much and it doesn't exactly need to be precision. Just fast. You'd use the scope when you have time to.
PAP-Polu automatska puska (semi automatik rifle in eng)
I don't know why, but aesthetically I have always liked the utilitarian looks of the ak variants.
The logo of Zastava Arms looks pretty similiar to Zastava Automobili. Can't wait for Ford Arms.
Well I guess they skipped over Arms...My parents have a real "Ford" glass sliding door though.
At the transition at 8:00, it looks like Ian cleaned off a lot of the lubrication present on the gas piston/bolt carrier. I'm not very knowledgeable about gun mechanics, so I'd like to know if that would at all present itself as a detriment to the weapon's life, or if you could just slather some lubrication back on and fit it back in. I'd assume so, but I'd still like to know :^)
Wait...I live in Des Plaines, IL....how have I not heard of this?
zastavaarmsusa.com/#available-now
your pronunciation of zastava is excellent ian
Were the flip up sights not installed for regulatory reasons or is that just cost cutting cause you're going to use the scope anyway.
Darren Jacobson Import restrictions due to the tritium inserts
the flip up sights would have been useful in an actual combat situation, not much use for the civilians since as you said, it has a scope which renders the iron sights useless aslong as its on
@@winkleried Tritium inserts? Are you saying Americans can't import those?
@@strahinjastevic7480 I thought it was something like that. In combat a scope may get damaged so having another option makes sense. A scope shouldn't get damaged in any civilian context. Except dropping it maybe.
Yessss, more Serbian weapons!!!!!!
Вот так всегда, на самом интересном месте...™ Но ничего мы подождем :)
I hope we'll see zastava m02 in your hands ;)
This looks just like my PSL on the inside
Nevermind, adjustable gas port
So Ian, if you're reviewing your own rifle does that mean you're running out of material? :p
Please do a video on the m77, its a notable battle rifle and pretty obscure
Thank you for the content xxx
where is the xxx part?
@@dthewave9466 Ian *is* the xxx part. Look at that soul patch, gets me hot just thinkin about it.
@@tyrantstomper nice
A rifle that appears in some cartoon-ish game that has building and that everyone hates.
PAP stands for „Pola Automaska Puška(pushka)“ which means Semi-automatic rifle.
If you would compare Zastava M2010 (M77PS using 308. winchester) vs this Zastava M91 how much would be the difference and why would the better weapon be better? I would really appreciate your response. Thank you.
What kind of sniper performs a bayonet charge?
DMR with a secondary role as standard combat rifle, as Ian said...
The landing strip on your chin looks like it’s getting a little overgrown with weeds and brush. Might want to get the grounds crew to trim it back so that customers will want to start landing there again.
Gun Jesus did a video about my gun! I’m entirely too excited about this.
I was enlisted in the Serbian army for 10 years. Never seen M91 in person. I don't know what kind of information is available to you but this gun is not exactly standard Serbian DMR, it is still M76.
Hi to all including Ian. I have just bought a Zastava M2010, in 308 Win. It appears to be very close to this rifle and the M77 except the stock is a synthetic keyhole and is designated a Commercial Hunting rifle, its semi auto. Would this be built to the same military standard as the M77 and M91 so would i be able to use standard 7.62 NATO? cheers
It could be argued on the difference between a DMR and a sniper rifle being the peep using it or even their attitude.
Of course he has the updated model with the detent for Muzzle devices.
still wish they added the front and rear flip up sights. Especially for its cost.
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All of that awesomeness for the price of a lightly used Suzuki DRZ 400S.
thumb "Hole" when its completely hollow
This gun is used by Rosebud (One of the enemies in Tom Clancy's Ghost Recon: Breakpoint) but its shown as a sniper rifle.
Thanks for the vid sir.
I wonder if the gas tube assembly could be used on a PSL, it'd be nice to control the gas pressure for handloads
The scope was so nice, he named it twice. ;)
Kidding aside, it's not entirely accurate to say that Yugoslavia standardized on 7.92x57 Mauser because of German surplus. They did produce copies and derivatives of German weapons, but their prewar standard rifle was already a 7.92mm Mauser of the FN 1924 pattern. Hence all the scrubbed and rebuilt M24/47 rifles that flooded onto the US market alongside the postwar M48s.
Wow they actually got POS stamped into that scope that's hilarious …..
You haven't played enough Tarkov, evidently. You can mount a flat laser sight on the top rail, and then you can mount the dovetail to rail mount adapter and put a hueg scope on that, so it's looking above the laser sight.
I am surprised that Yugoslavia stuck to the 8x57 for so long
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M17( 7.62x39 and 6.5 Grendel) is the best AR in world...is perfect balance...
Sort automat, AR, Masingan and sniper...
they adopted it since they aquired the licence for the PKM in the last decades of the 20th century for logistical reasons, yugoslavia till then was really into the mauser calibre becouse as Ian said, alot of german stuff was left over after the war and yugoslavia before the war mainly used mauser rifles