Once again, Ian's shooting is adversely affected by his crippling handicap. It is so inspiring to see him push through and try the impossible - shooting left-handed.
As a southpaw myself, I feel him. Especially when handling guns that aren't designed in the slightest to be used in any other configuration than right-handed.
@@heikopanzlaff3789 no one cares about your application to german air force. Coleman Moore was making a joke. It seems like germans really have no sense of humor...
@@martinh2783 Or as it goes from the perspective of a left-hander: there are well-designed (ambidex) tools and there are right-handed tools. Anyone who decides to design ergonomic of just about anything for specific hand is an idiot.
@@pascal6871 Great, you jinxed it. Now full-auto fire will be muted because UMG or Warner will claim copyright on "pewpewpewpewpew", "rattatattatattatat" and "brrrrrttt". Games Workshop will claim rights on "dakkadakkadakka".
That "bad" grouping is the result of multiple factors: - the 4x scope is far from what we would today consider a quality optic - PPU "match" ammo is nowhere near the quality of proper match ammo for modern calibers - the AK long stroke piston is less accurate than other modern systems used in DMRs This rifle is plagued by the same problems as the M76 but it's far from a bad rifle. It's robust, very reliable and can make reliable hits on a man sized target up to 600 meters. It does exactly what it was designed for.
PPU is actually high end ammo. PPU match... well. This gun is made and tested with PPU because they both come from same defensive industry. It is highly advisable to use both ammo and rifle together.
@@badboybootz8 Is that how much it cost in USA? Here in Balkan region and former SFR Yugoslavia, i have seen them for much cheaper price (not always legal).
4:04 a minor correction: the POSP series is manufactured by Zenit-BelOMO in Belarus, with the Serbian military using the Zrak ON 6X42 made in Bosnia-Herzegovina. EDIT: I have been informed/reminded by a Mr. Mirko Jovanović below that there are indeed two 'Zrak' factories; the one in Teslić, Serbia is the one supplying the Serbian army and mounted on their M91. The Teslić factory was renamed to PEMA, though is colloquially still referred to as 'Zrak'. The full designation of the optic is ON M93 6x42, not to be confused with the Zastava M93 'Black Arrow' optic, which is designated ON M94 8x56. EDIT 2: My life is a sham; I thought I was familiar enough with the various entities, national boundaries, and cities of the former Yugoslavia to affirmatively state that Teslić is in Serbia (it isn't). Teslić, Republika Srbska, Bosnia-Herzegovina. Hopefully that is the last of the incorrect information.
When Ian describes himself as a 'spazz' at 03.22, he's not being politically incorrect. He's accidentally let slip the secret abbreviation we use for ourselves in Spetsnaz. I remember meeting him on our sniper training course: he cracked the other guys up at lunch breaks by flicking the sharp sticks from his cocktail sausage right into the red star on Sergei's cap, at 100 yards. Good times.
@@nikoclesceri2267 It's more of a UK thing, but spaz/spastic generally applies to someone with a disability or mental impairment. It's the same as calling someone a retard, it's not very PC.
It might be the position 3 on the gas port recommended by them for the first few hundred shots. It won't throw brass like that on the normal gas setting will It?
By our doctrine, at up to 200m you are not suppose to use optics. Iron sights give you better field of vision and it is considered that optic sights are not necessary at those ranges.
@@ScottKenny1978 Have you ever used a scope, especially one of those older ones? It's like looking at the world through a straw, these are fixed power scopes. At distances up to 200m you are better off using iron sites and maintaining your situational awareness, plus it's easier to follow fast moving targets and just to remind you, you are not firing at static targets.
@@ScottKenny1978 Shit, sorry, I just realised what you were saying, yes, you can, I wasn't judging Ian I just thought it would be interesting to share that piece of trivia.
@@VelikiHejter yes, I had a PSL for years, still kinda regret selling it. I zerod the ior scope at 100m and used the BDC for longer shots. Edit: had almost that exact same scope, in fact, just made by IOR in Romania instead of the Russian made one. Had a space for a tritium vial instead of a battery and light.
When doing the service, the shootings with Rk 62 were done with iron sights to 150 metres. Maximum points on ten shots was 100, majority getting 70 or over. The "bullseye" was around size of the palm, fingers excluded.
Christopher Jensen Yep. Considering that other owners are reporting 1 MOA at that range with the same ammunition. Rob Ski posted a Sub MOA group as well.
Don't know. This lines up with expected accuracy from a dragunov, and I don't see what would make this variation much more accurate. Being able to print a single 1moa group =/= 1moa gun.
Gregory Twombly we are taking multiple groups here. The trouble with the SVD is that it is so rare there is not a lot of good shooting data out there other than published technical data.
@NinjaRider777R you just referenced a video where they had a 2moa average with match ammunition. Between 2 and 4 appears average for this design, as showcased in your video and on inrange
Maybe our guns are not the best Maybe they're not the prettiest But they make the best sounds... Zastava M84 (PKM) best sound by far Zastava M70A Zastava M91 Sweet, sweet sounds of war!
@Bob Tom zbog hrvatske zastave pretpostavljam da razumes i mi Srbi mislim i ti si Srbin samo prodan ali mi Srbi smo ponosni sto smo Srbi sta smo sve pretrpeli kog smo sve porazili i sta smo sve preziveli i opet stojimo na nogama a vi hrvati sta ste vi prodani Srbi koji se slihtaju i cmare eu i natou zato i propadate ali vidis i medju hrvatima ima postenih i dobrih tako da mozda ima neke nade za vas ali veruj mi Srbe su svi pokusali da sjebu a u stvari su se oni sami sjebali mozes ti i eu i ceo nato da pusite moju Cetnicku kurcinu tako da niko Srbiju niko ne moze da porazi....dodjite necete se vratiti🇷🇸🇷🇸🇷🇸🇷🇸🇷🇸🇷🇸🇷🇸🇷🇸
Stage One: Why does the plate ding have such an enormous delay? The target's close, but it sounds like it's over 500 yards away! Stage Two: waaaaait a minute, the target is _paper,_ *it shouldn't even **_have_** a ding...* Stage Three: oh god dammmit that's actually trigger reset
Hey Ian, you can adjust the POSP scope in smaller increments than the turret clicks. Loosen (don't remove) the silver screws on the turret, and rotate the top black ring relative to the silver ring.
Parallax ? There's a LOT of it about. Many commercial optics have parallax adjustment "rings" often at the objective end of the scope. This becomes more necessary as the "zoom" range and magnification increase. However, it can be found in much simpler, low-power optics. Back in the day, when I was a military armourer, it was discovered in random examples of the scope tubes on our F-88 rifle (OZ-built AUG). One soldier was pretty miffed about it. At a major competition, he had a correctly-located, very small group after a pre-match confirmations shoot. The first match the next day was 300m rapid. His two "sighters" plonked right into the centre. Part of the "conditions" for this shoot are that the firer , after those "sighters', MUST break aim. The rifle butt can stay in the shoulder, but held muzzle canted down. When the targets appear, it's off to the races. Ten rounds later, targets down and insert markers, hoist targets. This bloke had shot a group that could easily be covered by a small hand. BUT, it was displaced low and right, all in a "scoring" area, but pretty dismal numbers. When we got the beast back to the bench, it was clamped in a fixture on a heavy bench a, and aimed, through the big door, onto a convenient mark on a building about 200metres away.. If you moved your head, the point of aim "shifted", despite the rifle being locked down. The position of his head on the stock changed when he broke aim after his "sighters" and then, a minute or so later, launched into the timed firing string. Parallax!. In a 1.5 X scope? Yep! One of Murphy's iron laws of combat operations is: "Never forget that all of your equipment was supplied by the lowest bidder" Not in that game anymore; all I have is the Jim Croce collection: "Photographs and Memories". Keep up the good work, Ian!
@@DonDiesel885 I think he is saying that the scope has worn over time and did not retain its zero setting (which may explain why the shot group opened up a little)
11:05 you are referring to parallax error, this is not necessarily an issue with the scope just a factory that needs to be mitigated. Best way to avoid parallax error is to have a good consistent check wield, which is the reason for the cheek riser. If you can't use the installed riser you may need to bubba something up to get a consistent cheek/head/eye position.
PPU is actually high end ammo. PPU match... well. This gun is made and tested with PPU because they both come from same defensive industry. It is highly advisable to use both ammo and rifle together.
This rifle is always up on Indo-Defence expos, and at every chance i get i always played and fiddled with it. Really glad to see how it actually shoots!
Spathius Rob Ski is coming up with one. The Military Arms Channel did one but he fired the cheapest commercial ammunition out of it with predictable results. Graham Bates did one before he fell out with Zastava several years ago. There is another one that may be coming down the pipe it it is still up in the air though depends on if he is able to borrow a rifle or not.
Tale of two Zastavas: My custom .243 Win built on a beautiful Mark X Mauser action and Shaw bull barrel cuts cloverleaf groups with minimal load work-up and no fancy case prep. My former Zastava CZ999 pistol was junk. Nearly new from the box where pulling the trigger would not allow the hammer to fall, just a 'click'. Also some of the worst ergonomics I have experienced, despite looking like a P226. My high hopes were severely dashed. Zastava also made the "The YUGO" vehicle too.
I wish the UK did not have such strict Firearms laws.. I have always loved guns I have been lucky enough as an Army cadet when I was young to fire a few firearms but still. love these forgotten weapons vids. Love Ian's way of explaining everything to the point and not flashy just honest. Nice on, big respect.
Ohio Ordnance made some really fine M76's from these kits back in the day. Most were chambered for 30 06. The reason for "Century's" name was that was how long it took you to make their shit reliable. I've owned a couple of their guns (CETME, C93) and had to rebuild them from the ground up. On the bright side, I became really good at working on roller delayed stuff.
Day month year comes from the highly formal written or spoken "on this _ day of _, in the year _" We used DD-MON-YR in the Navy. I much prefer year month day, especially for computer files.
The adjustment is likely mils. .1 mil at 100yds equals .36" . And 1 mil equals 3.6" at 100yds. A mil is 1/1000th of something. So 1 yard at 1,000 yards....or 36" at 1,000 yards. Move the decimal place for both....you get 3.6" at 100yds. One turret click is 1/10th that... so move the decimal place over again.....3.6 becomes. .36" at 100yds.
If a scope has unadjustable parallax, you can try grouping the rifle by fitting a rear cap with a 1/4” hole in the centre. Keeping a central sight picture is much easier and will eliminate the parallax.
Future man here - times are desperate, the Toilet paper wars have begun, if you dont have a square or two to bribe your way into the Bidet zone, you're in a shitty situation. be glad you got that m91, you can trade it for a full roll, which you can then use to pay for passage to the ~~cornfields~~ TP leaf fields of Nebrask,
Oh no, an optic designed in the 60s with an emphasis on durability isn't the best in the world? I'm shocked! Neat rifle though, it's a shame they decided against doing the M76, but the M91 is interesting.
Think you're right with that assessment, the fact that the last 2 groups seemed to form a circle with no "center hits". It reminds me of inconsistent eye placement on some Marines had with ACOGs on annual qual who were usually to far back and the reticle was "hovering"
Ah man living in the desert like that is awesome. Look at the landscape. Is beautiful and you can just take your rifle out and shoot at things. Amazing
Damn, everything in this rifle (bolt (I know its not bolt action but it does have a "bolt" and no I am not native english), firing, reloading) sounds so good I felt it in my pants. Groovy
You should try grouping again with the 147gr bullet. Idk much about this rifle but my PSL produces the best groups with regular old surplus silver tip. I love when my rifles like cheap ammo
it'd definitely be cool to see this at a match, if a bit pointless i suppose, but certainly a viable test to see how it performs under match conditions.
In the Serbian military, these are issued with a 6x scope. If I were going to run it in a match, it would definitely need an upgrade in optics from the one seen here being used by Ian.
The offset has never been a problem; it's no different than taking into account the height of the scope above the bore if your zero at 100 yds takes into account the slight offset (I believe it's .6") and at combat ranges, it won't make a difference, anyway. The reason for the offset is, yes, originally, stripper clips were intended to be used; military doctrines of the '50s and '60s didn't include issuing large numbers of magazines to individual soldiers. Also, it makes using the irons considerably easier, which their military trains for as it was found that irons were the better way to go for targets under 200 meters if one takes into account faster target acquisition and maintenance of situational awareness. Yeah, it would probably be better if they had centered optics, but, at this point, I think it's become a (former) East bloc tradition. You'll find that the Russians and other Slavic militaries are quite pragmatic; if these things were issues, they would have been done away with. Such things only seem to bother civilian armchair soldiers who have seen all their combat in war movies and fantasy range drills.
@@varanid9 "Such things only seem to bother civilian armchair soldiers who have seen all their combat in war movies and fantasy range drills". If u are in army u cannot tell "uh its pink i can't be see with pink gun, gimme something else" or " i will not use this gun becouse they have better guns. Gimme what they have becouse i wanna be sniper/MG user" or " i dont wanna iron sights i wanna red dot/ i dont wanna red dot i want scope". U just fight with what u get. Army will give u equipment for "free". U have no other choise. As civilian user i am spending my hard earn money on equipment that i am choosing. So i wanna have best eq for a price. If as a civilian i would get a rifle that i am not 100% happy with i would buy accesories to fix what i don't like - scope mount is high and off center - i just buy what i like. In army u can't do this. edit: MY friend was preety good shooter in the army. One of the best in his squad. He should be DMR or go to sniper school. But what army did? They give him a "new" AK and he was fobbiden to tuch sights. This AK had sights with bad 0 and barrel was beat to death. And after this he had trouble to hit a target. No consistant grouping and with distance more than 100m there was almost impossible to hit anything. And he could do nothing about this. Not even complain. As civilian if i get bad eq i just fix or return to seller/manufacturer.
@wildwilllis1 man i wrote a comment that totally agree with ure opinion . In short: in army u fight what u issued. There is no "i don't like" in army. But as civilian i pay for rifle and i want best value for price. As civilian i have right to not like some eq. I can be picky and choose spoiled kid because i pay for it. In military someone give u apples but u like bananas - hard time , u eat apples. In civilian someone give u apples but u like bananas - no thank u i will buy bananas.
The way these rufles are set up you still use iron sights at a close range and at distances you use the optics. This is still an influence from the Soviet Mosin-Nagant era. Everything has a purpose.
NC Dave It is an extremely expensive rifle to manufacture. It takes a lot of skill and QC to make basicly what is a stamped AK action as accurate as it is.
The poor results are because of the ammo. I have fired numerous Dragunovs, M76 and FPKs and they perform poorly with everything except Soviet 7N1 Sniper Ammo. With that ammo and that ammo only they are all pretty accurate. I think they were designed for that ammo which is too bad, it is damn expensive fodder but it does work well.
I would put ( if you can ) a Leupold 3x9 x 40 or a good 6 X scope , leave the scope on 4 or 6 X and shoot a 5 shot group and see if the group size is caused by the scope .... I tend to shoot 5 shot groups as sometimes a 10 shot group the rifle heats up or you get tired
European optics tend to change the point of impact 1 cm per click at 100 meters. So it's not 1/10 but 1/100 of a meter. That means for Americans: to shift the impact 1 inch at 100 yards you'd need about 3 clicks on a metric optic. (that will be 1,07 inches) That's why we say a good rifle is in 3 cm circle at 100m, which is (what a surprise) about 1 MoA
Very inaccurate rifle. I used M77 (Ooops I meant M76 in 7.92x57mm Mauser) with the same optics during Yugoslavian civil war when serving in JNA (Yugoslav People Army). I shoot M76 with 196 grain "sniper ammo" (I think it was 196 grain) a lot during my sniper course in JNA. The best I would ever get was 3 inch at 100 meters 10 rounds group. And that was rare. I later used it during civil war in Croatia. Heavy, not ergonomic and inaccurate. I did own and shoot VEPR with 23.2 inch barrel in 7.62x54R here in USA. I was getting worse than 3 inch at 100 yards 10 rounds. I used various match ammo. The barrel quality on Serbian and Russian rifles is quite bad. As soon as the barrel heats up it becomes very inaccurate. Finnish Mosin Nagant runs circles around this rifle (and VEPR). I own 2 of them. Long stroke AK system is pretty much garbage when it comes to accuracy especially when you combine it with poor quality barrel. I do lots of long range shooting here in USA (old habits die hard). I own Savage 10 FCP-SR is 308. It is amazing to me that $475 rifle can be SO much better than M77 (Ooops I meant M76), M91 or VEPR. Even regular AR-10 is leaps and bounds better. Nice video.
I have Zastava M2010 .243win and I shot 1" or 3cm 3 round groups with iron sights all day when I take my time and shoting fast it spreads to 3" at 100m. I like my ak garbage lol Comparing M2010 or M77 to M91 is funny and tells me how you have no idea about rifles nor Zastava.
@@turbografx16 . I have done similar comparisons in the past. I have been building and accurizing rifles for over 10 years (glass bedding, trigger polishing etc..). Up to ~1000 yards you will not see much difference. I just got back from the shooting range. A guy that I know brought his 300 Win Mag. His barrel was built for a specific bullet weight, the stocks was fit to the barrel (they did a very nice job free floating) and the action is custom built for the barrel. He has muzzle brake and silencer. Whole 9 yards. Beautiful rifle. Very expensive, did not want to tell me the price but I am guessing around $3k-$4k. He had $2k Nightforce optics. I had Savage 308 FCR-SR with SWFA 10x42mm scope. I shoot good ammo. I had Federal Gold Medal loaded with 185 grain Berger bullet. BC(G1) for my ammo is 0.552. Up to 750 to 800 yards there was no difference. I am slightly better shooter and have better eyes, so I was able to keep up with him at 1,000 yards. After that there was no competition. He ran up to 1 mile without much problem. It was 25F with RH=65%. The wind was between 2 and 6 mph coming at ~90 degrees. Savage in my opinion is the best bang for the buck if you don't want to go to custom expensive rifles. Remington 700 was good but they have too many quality control issues. The guy that shoot with me today is taking his rifle to Texas for pig hunt and he will try to shoot at 3,300 yards. He promised me some video of his groups. We will see.
@@turbografx16. It is a very nice rifle. Very adjustable and surprisingly light taking into account it has chassis. The only "negative" that some people don't like is that the barrel use to be made out of 4140 Steel Alloy (not sure what they do now). But who cares it is not a machine gun. There are videos of people hitting targets at 1 mile with the rifle. I am biased to Savage because I like my 308 to have at least 22-24 inch barrel. If you shoot 6.5 Creed than 24 inch barrel is standard across the industry. Also, AccuTrigger on my Savage is set at 1.5lb. I like it, some people that shot my rifle hate it. They like more resistance. You should try and decide for yourself. I am pretty sure you will not be disappointed in Ruger or Savage.
Fairly decent waterline group right there! Might be an artefact of the uncomfortable shooting position , reticle movement or receiver movement. Practically impossible to get a good cheek-weld with that setup for a left-hander. Still shows potential.
Dave Johnson I really think you are on to something there, along with the scope mount could be working loose. This right handed M-91 shooter is getting consistent 1 MOA groups out of his. But I have a lot of experience shooting side mounts and the cousins of the M-91 (PSL, M-76 and Tabuk Sniper clone).
When I was building precision rifles , the customers scope was frequently the cause of problems. Apart from piss-poor handloads and shooting skills - not to mention the local expert “helping”. I built a jig with QD mounts and a collimator and this often revealed reticle movement or erector-tube issues. Even dry firing can reveal reticle jump . But just looking at Ian shooting , he has to make considerable effort to line up in an unnatural position and as he gets more fatigued the consistency suffers. That would be my #1 take out on this. You know yourself : a ten round match requires a lot of concentration and effort and if things bug you at the start they generally don’t shift toward the better. That’s why we have those days where the safest place is the centre bull . Maybe not for you , but I’ve had plenty . 😂 Can’t really do it anymore : my eyes just don’t allow it. But I think with some tweaking that rifle could shoot better than it has a right to. That first flat waterline tells the story. Even placing the bipod on a flat smooth surface may help because there’s a lot going on there under recoil and cycling? Bodging up a cheek adapter or maybe trying to set up a decent sling : very dynamic rifles often shoot better when locked into one in preference to off a bipod or rest? Maybe a scope with 8x and a reticle lock like the IOR’s from Romania?
Weird timing how you post this just when I discovered zastava rifles after finding a pic of south African recces with a rifle they designated the ak-85
Zastava is a whole new world of weapons, thry make everything except semi auto shotguns and pump action shotguns, actually they made one back in early 90s
it's ejection is just as violent as my PSL.. saw one of those zip right past your cameraman's head.. my brother in law has a half circle scar on his forehead from one of my cases and he was 2 benches away sighting in his rifle at the time
if you may notice, this sight lacks rubber eyepiece from SVD, which should, in theory, not only protect your eye from hitting by scope on recoil, but also helps to your eye's position uniformity through the shots.
Seems like a better optic would make this platform shine much better particularly an optic mounted over the center of the rifle. I’m a lefty also and that would be my first change to it.
Donald Newcomb Considering that me and other M-91 shooters are reporting sub MOA to MOA groups out of our rifles using that same ammunition. There is something going wrong in this video. Most likely it has to to with Ian having to twist his head to get a sight picture.
I think both Atlantic and Zastava were surprised by how fast the first batch of these actually sold. I've been eyeing an M76 for a while, since no mortal will be able to afford a real SVD anymore and I have a soft spot for the 8mm, I'd be interested to see how these compare. Are these stamped receivers or milled?
It would be interesting to shoot another group with the gas block set on 2, to see if that makes any difference. And a control group fired over the open sights.
I bought 2 CAI M76's from J&G several years ago for $1000 each and they came with the original scope of course. To date I have only fired one and it has been 100% reliable. The lowest gas setting throws brass 30 feet. I modified the follower by welding a tab on the rear so that it cannot tip forward. Before that I used a Snap Cap as my last round so the follower wouldn't tip. I think this rifle was a bargain for $1000. Just don't expect AR-10 accuracy from it. You will probably get 3" group at 100 yards like I have. I keep meaning to try a better scope, but I don't think it will make a difference. I would like to get a M91, but $3150 is too much for a rifle with average at best accuracy.
I think that the spurned cheek-rest is a paralax compensation aid. Using the scope at 100 yards is the opposite but similar problem as taking a close-up with a twin lens reflex or rangefinder camera, really. You need a way of registering your eye in the same place each time, and the cheek rest, on this rifle, is it.
Atlantic Firearms sells both the Zastava M91 and the Romanian PSL. M91 is way over priced at $3150 compared to $1820 for essentially the same rifle. Your first 10 shot mag illustrates how rapidly accuracy deteriorates in these thin barreled rifles. My PSL does the same. Put on a Primary Arms R-grid scope and RS Regulate mount and you will get the full potential out of these rifles.
Bigbore except these are not the same rifle. There are major differences in the barrel between the two. There is a subtle difference in the gas piston. I own both a PSL and a M-91. I am shooting 1 MOA out of my M-91 with a 6X POSP using the same kind of ammunition. I am getting 1.5-2 MOA out of my PSL with PPU SPs.
I'm kind of surprised that as long as x54 has been around in so many countries, there's not a lot of match loads or even suitable bullets for a match load (the 174gr SMK is...meh). Never heard of a 182gr .311 bullet before this video. Also, Ian has some lovely locks. c:
Once again, Ian's shooting is adversely affected by his crippling handicap. It is so inspiring to see him push through and try the impossible - shooting left-handed.
I also shoot left handet. No problem to pass acceptance with a german air force G3 / iron sights @twice the distance ...
As a southpaw myself, I feel him. Especially when handling guns that aren't designed in the slightest to be used in any other configuration than right-handed.
@@heikopanzlaff3789 no one cares about your application to german air force. Coleman Moore was making a joke. It seems like germans really have no sense of humor...
Well, there is right-handed people and wrong-handed people.
@@martinh2783 Or as it goes from the perspective of a left-hander: there are well-designed (ambidex) tools and there are right-handed tools. Anyone who decides to design ergonomic of just about anything for specific hand is an idiot.
i turned on auto-caption. whenever Ian shoot, the caption says [Music]
yes, youtube. THAT is music
i've noticed that on other youtube videos that feature gunfire
Friend: "What's your favorite music?"
Me: "Stoner 63 in full auto"
Friend: "What is that? A surf rock band?"
Me: "You wouldn't understand"
Inb4 copyright claim by "scumbag rights trolling company#76"
@@pascal6871 Great, you jinxed it. Now full-auto fire will be muted because UMG or Warner will claim copyright on "pewpewpewpewpew", "rattatattatattatat" and "brrrrrttt". Games Workshop will claim rights on "dakkadakkadakka".
That "bad" grouping is the result of multiple factors:
- the 4x scope is far from what we would today consider a quality optic
- PPU "match" ammo is nowhere near the quality of proper match ammo for modern calibers
- the AK long stroke piston is less accurate than other modern systems used in DMRs
This rifle is plagued by the same problems as the M76 but it's far from a bad rifle. It's robust, very reliable and can make reliable hits on a man sized target up to 600 meters. It does exactly what it was designed for.
Never intended to shoot a man dead from 2km away?
PPU is actually high end ammo. PPU match... well. This gun is made and tested with PPU because they both come from same defensive industry. It is highly advisable to use both ammo and rifle together.
Yea, with 4x magnification identifying a target above 600m is probably hard enough in real-world conditions.
These are going for $3000. Not to say it’s a bad gun, but it’s definitely not worth $3k
@@Tacklebox3000 This is not even a spade! Cheep garbage!
Is nobody gonna talk about how badass this thing sounds
Paul Monico it does have a mean report and thumps hard down range when hitting the hillside
Facts,imagine hearing this in a Call of Duty game,the whole looby would know.
That sounds not worth 3k lol
@@badboybootz8 Is that how much it cost in USA? Here in Balkan region and former SFR Yugoslavia, i have seen them for much cheaper price (not always legal).
@@Pajdas610 yup
I love it when this happens. It's like finding an Easter Egg.
KristophShmit ik, this was strange. But wonderful
Yup, I have no idea how I missed this. Seems kinda unnatural to miss a video from this channel, to me anyway....
Oh, yes.. Sorry. He put it out on the patreon first. Dumb me.
True
Good day from the past
4:04 a minor correction: the POSP series is manufactured by Zenit-BelOMO in Belarus, with the Serbian military using the Zrak ON 6X42 made in Bosnia-Herzegovina.
EDIT: I have been informed/reminded by a Mr. Mirko Jovanović below that there are indeed two 'Zrak' factories; the one in Teslić, Serbia is the one supplying the Serbian army and mounted on their M91.
The Teslić factory was renamed to PEMA, though is colloquially still referred to as 'Zrak'.
The full designation of the optic is ON M93 6x42, not to be confused with the Zastava M93 'Black Arrow' optic, which is designated ON M94 8x56.
EDIT 2: My life is a sham; I thought I was familiar enough with the various entities, national boundaries, and cities of the former Yugoslavia to affirmatively state that Teslić is in Serbia (it isn't). Teslić, Republika Srbska, Bosnia-Herzegovina. Hopefully that is the last of the incorrect information.
Nije "Zrak" nego "PEMA" firma iz Teslića. Oznaka nisana je ON M93 6x42.
@@Komir19
Хвала вам! I updated my comment above.
Teslic is not in Serbia!
@@maxschultz3999 It's in Republic of Srpska.
Teslić is in Bosnia and Herzegovina, not Serbia
When Ian describes himself as a 'spazz' at 03.22, he's not being politically incorrect. He's accidentally let slip the secret abbreviation we use for ourselves in Spetsnaz. I remember meeting him on our sniper training course: he cracked the other guys up at lunch breaks by flicking the sharp sticks from his cocktail sausage right into the red star on Sergei's cap, at 100 yards. Good times.
I knew he was a sleeper agent
Wait why is spazz a bad word
Niko Clesceri I think other kids used to call any kid with mental issues spaz, I’ve never heard it used legit, only in movies
@@nikoclesceri2267 It's more of a UK thing, but spaz/spastic generally applies to someone with a disability or mental impairment. It's the same as calling someone a retard, it's not very PC.
@@NotMoreZombies Also used to describe ADD/ADHD behaviour.
Zastava M91: "Hope you weren't planning on reloading that brass. YEET!"
Still better than anything with a fluted chamber!
It might be the position 3 on the gas port recommended by them for the first few hundred shots. It won't throw brass like that on the normal gas setting will It?
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@pacman10182 case life is not impressive.
At least on the m77 I can turn off the gas and get my loads tuned to the rifle or least best I can.
By our doctrine, at up to 200m you are not suppose to use optics. Iron sights give you better field of vision and it is considered that optic sights are not necessary at those ranges.
Oh, sure, but the optic had a BDC that starts at 100m so you might as well zero the scope at 100m
@@ScottKenny1978 Have you ever used a scope, especially one of those older ones? It's like looking at the world through a straw, these are fixed power scopes. At distances up to 200m you are better off using iron sites and maintaining your situational awareness, plus it's easier to follow fast moving targets and just to remind you, you are not firing at static targets.
@@ScottKenny1978 Shit, sorry, I just realised what you were saying, yes, you can, I wasn't judging Ian I just thought it would be interesting to share that piece of trivia.
@@VelikiHejter yes, I had a PSL for years, still kinda regret selling it. I zerod the ior scope at 100m and used the BDC for longer shots.
Edit: had almost that exact same scope, in fact, just made by IOR in Romania instead of the Russian made one. Had a space for a tritium vial instead of a battery and light.
When doing the service, the shootings with Rk 62 were done with iron sights to 150 metres. Maximum points on ten shots was 100, majority getting 70 or over. The "bullseye" was around size of the palm, fingers excluded.
Time to get the gun vise out and diagnose that accuracy.
Christopher Jensen Yep. Considering that other owners are reporting 1 MOA at that range with the same ammunition. Rob Ski posted a Sub MOA group as well.
Don't know. This lines up with expected accuracy from a dragunov, and I don't see what would make this variation much more accurate.
Being able to print a single 1moa group =/= 1moa gun.
Gregory Twombly we are taking multiple groups here. The trouble with the SVD is that it is so rare there is not a lot of good shooting data out there other than published technical data.
@NinjaRider777R you just referenced a video where they had a 2moa average with match ammunition. Between 2 and 4 appears average for this design, as showcased in your video and on inrange
I got 1 MOA with PPU match and SUB-MOA with Yugo surplus M30 ammo.
Maybe our guns are not the best
Maybe they're not the prettiest
But they make the best sounds...
Zastava M84 (PKM) best sound by far
Zastava M70A
Zastava M91
Sweet, sweet sounds of war!
Ne seri slinavko ti bas znas kako rat zvuci :p al da do jaja zvuce
Zvukom se rat ne vodi, breee. Treba istinski da roka ito precizno. You dont make war With sound, it has to bi power end good acurasy
@Bob Tom bleiburg
@Bob Tom by NATO, not by those fascists.
@Bob Tom zbog hrvatske zastave pretpostavljam da razumes i mi Srbi mislim i ti si Srbin samo prodan ali mi Srbi smo ponosni sto smo Srbi sta smo sve pretrpeli kog smo sve porazili i sta smo sve preziveli i opet stojimo na nogama a vi hrvati sta ste vi prodani Srbi koji se slihtaju i cmare eu i natou zato i propadate ali vidis i medju hrvatima ima postenih i dobrih tako da mozda ima neke nade za vas ali veruj mi Srbe su svi pokusali da sjebu a u stvari su se oni sami sjebali mozes ti i eu i ceo nato da pusite moju Cetnicku kurcinu tako da niko Srbiju niko ne moze da porazi....dodjite necete se vratiti🇷🇸🇷🇸🇷🇸🇷🇸🇷🇸🇷🇸🇷🇸🇷🇸
Stage One: Why does the plate ding have such an enormous delay? The target's close, but it sounds like it's over 500 yards away!
Stage Two: waaaaait a minute, the target is _paper,_ *it shouldn't even **_have_** a ding...*
Stage Three: oh god dammmit that's actually trigger reset
Kryštof Pazdera Yep. I could hear mine reset through double hearing protection.
Hey Ian, you can adjust the POSP scope in smaller increments than the turret clicks. Loosen (don't remove) the silver screws on the turret, and rotate the top black ring relative to the silver ring.
Parallax ? There's a LOT of it about.
Many commercial optics have parallax adjustment "rings" often at the objective end of the scope.
This becomes more necessary as the "zoom" range and magnification increase.
However, it can be found in much simpler, low-power optics.
Back in the day, when I was a military armourer, it was discovered in random examples of the scope tubes on our F-88 rifle (OZ-built AUG).
One soldier was pretty miffed about it. At a major competition, he had a correctly-located, very small group after a pre-match confirmations shoot.
The first match the next day was 300m rapid. His two "sighters" plonked right into the centre. Part of the "conditions" for this shoot are that the firer , after those "sighters', MUST break aim. The rifle butt can stay in the shoulder, but held muzzle canted down. When the targets appear, it's off to the races.
Ten rounds later, targets down and insert markers, hoist targets.
This bloke had shot a group that could easily be covered by a small hand. BUT, it was displaced low and right, all in a "scoring" area, but pretty dismal numbers.
When we got the beast back to the bench, it was clamped in a fixture on a heavy bench a, and aimed, through the big door, onto a convenient mark on a building about 200metres away.. If you moved your head, the point of aim "shifted", despite the rifle being locked down. The position of his head on the stock changed when he broke aim after his "sighters" and then, a minute or so later, launched into the timed firing string.
Parallax!. In a 1.5 X scope? Yep! One of Murphy's iron laws of combat operations is:
"Never forget that all of your equipment was supplied by the lowest bidder"
Not in that game anymore; all I have is the Jim Croce collection: "Photographs and Memories".
Keep up the good work, Ian!
Nifty reward whenever people watch the video from start to finish actively. Love it.
Absolutely awesome hearing the weapons blast, delay, then "ding" when the projectile impacts gong. Love video!
Now, just let's wait for the Mauser cartridge firing AK.
That was the Yugoslavian m76.
@@Paul_Sergeyev how is that new?
By the way, is there a .45"acp firing AK type arm?, l have seen some 9mm but l wonder if there's a .45".
Sinister Thoughts but Saiga and Vepr are kind of hunting semiautomatic hunting/DMR type rifles, not battle rifles.
No... AK-50 by Brandon Herra go look it up.
Did anyone else "Ghost that trigger" with Ian after he commented on how it felt in the middle of the last string?
You and 52 other repressed homosexuals.
If you've ever ghosted a trigger with another RUclips... Go ahead and hit the unsubscribe button.
Welcome in the future! Have a seat!
I accidentally paused at 2:17 and couldn't figure out why Ian was taking so long to squeeze off his first shot.
Always happen to me when watching slow mo after going frame by frame. "dang that's real slow! going x2!- oh..."
It seems that scope wasn't future-proof.
what do you mean?
@@DonDiesel885 I think he is saying that the scope has worn over time and did not retain its zero setting (which may explain why the shot group opened up a little)
The POSP is WAY behind modern optics in about every way.
The **krink** of the trigger reset following each shot is simply mesmerizing. :) Cheers!
11:05 you are referring to parallax error, this is not necessarily an issue with the scope just a factory that needs to be mitigated.
Best way to avoid parallax error is to have a good consistent check wield, which is the reason for the cheek riser.
If you can't use the installed riser you may need to bubba something up to get a consistent cheek/head/eye position.
I love zastava arms. Great hi from Bijeljina, Republic Serb. Ja volim Zastava oruzje. Veliki pozdrav iz BIjeljine, REPUBLIKA SRPSKA.
Ah the classic 'upgrade' to an ancient rimmed cartridge.
Next upgrade will be to a black powder round.
@@la-zrider2749 hand canons?
Serbian M2022 muzzle loading marksmans rifle
Not to be outdone, the M110A2 will be chambered in .45-70.
@The Weapon Collection Or in revolvers, lever actions, and break actions (yes, I know you meant militarily, I'm just saying).
Many thanks to the person who filmed
I THOUGHT that gas block looked suspiciously broken in... ;-)
PPU is actually high end ammo. PPU match... well. This gun is made and tested with PPU because they both come from same defensive industry. It is highly advisable to use both ammo and rifle together.
The sound of the gun shooting alone is godlike
Let me just say that the "wide" shot shooting footage looks really good! It looks really nice and gives a perspective of what's going on :)
This is literally the first time I've seen him walk and it's awesome
Watch in range.
You get to see him run, crawl, and jump in a French WW1 uniform while firing a chauchate
You hot now?
This rifle is always up on Indo-Defence expos, and at every chance i get i always played and fiddled with it. Really glad to see how it actually shoots!
Spathius This isn’t close to how that rifle shoots. Other M-91 shooters are reporting 1 inch groups at that same distance using that same ammunition.
@@winkleried not surprised seeing the eye relief issue common with pso type sights, i just haven't seen any other good videos of the M91 firing.
Spathius Rob Ski is coming up with one. The Military Arms Channel did one but he fired the cheapest commercial ammunition out of it with predictable results. Graham Bates did one before he fell out with Zastava several years ago. There is another one that may be coming down the pipe it it is still up in the air though depends on if he is able to borrow a rifle or not.
Ah, the lovely sound of 54r in an open valley. Been a while since I've heard that.
Again WOW! What a Amazing and Beautiful rifle Thanks for show it !
aticomunist& antyfachist Wait till you actually handle and shoot it !
Great video, I'll watch it again tomorrow when it's listed!
Tale of two Zastavas: My custom .243 Win built on a beautiful Mark X Mauser action and Shaw bull barrel cuts cloverleaf groups with minimal load work-up and no fancy case prep. My former Zastava CZ999 pistol was junk. Nearly new from the box where pulling the trigger would not allow the hammer to fall, just a 'click'. Also some of the worst ergonomics I have experienced, despite looking like a P226. My high hopes were severely dashed. Zastava also made the "The YUGO" vehicle too.
Hornady 150gr SST Shoots 1-2 MOA out of a my VEPR in 7.62x54R. I of course am using an modern 3-9 power scope which helps alot.
The vepr barrel is thicker than this one and the barrel whip is ridiculous
I wish the UK did not have such strict Firearms laws.. I have always loved guns I have been lucky enough as an Army cadet when I was young to fire a few firearms but still. love these forgotten weapons vids. Love Ian's way of explaining everything to the point and not flashy just honest. Nice on, big respect.
Zastava are available in the UK to licence holders.
At 9:00 your camera person almost ate some hot brass.
This is basically a hybrid between a SVD and a FPK/PSL
You say you're not the best at long range, but you have really improved over the years.
Would love some more vids on this, awesome video!
PPU and Match are two words that mean the Exact Opposite.
I found ppu quite consistent ammo, if rather dirty.
@@ScottKenny1978 I have stupidly spent over $100 to find out that PPU is dirty And Very inconsistent.
You sure you don’t just suck at shooting? Been using PPU for all my rifle ammo I don’t reload and it’s the only ammo that doesn’t give trouble.
I use ppu hunting ammo and get cloverleaf groups at 100m..
@@StONEDiLESO
Half of every PPU I have Ever shot has keyhole flyers across the target and backstop.
Ohio Ordnance made some really fine M76's from these kits back in the day. Most were chambered for 30 06. The reason for "Century's" name was that was how long it took you to make their shit
reliable. I've owned a couple of their guns (CETME, C93) and had to rebuild them from the ground up. On the bright side, I became really good at working on roller delayed stuff.
imagine watching on 03/14
M A D N E S S
Plebs
where did you find the 14th month
Day month year comes from the highly formal written or spoken "on this _ day of _, in the year _"
We used DD-MON-YR in the Navy.
I much prefer year month day, especially for computer files.
@@Strawberry92fs "4th of July"
The adjustment is likely mils. .1 mil at 100yds equals .36" . And 1 mil equals 3.6" at 100yds.
A mil is 1/1000th of something. So 1 yard at 1,000 yards....or 36" at 1,000 yards. Move the decimal place for both....you get 3.6" at 100yds.
One turret click is 1/10th that... so move the decimal place over again.....3.6 becomes. .36" at 100yds.
Hello, people of tomorrow. Yesterday is nice.
Do you mind explaining this quote to me? I don't fully understand it, and it intrigues me.
Depends on Where you live..
Europe is acting like a zombie apocallypse just happend
Suddenly, I'm not half the man I used to be, there's a shadow hanging over me, oh I believe in yesterday
If a scope has unadjustable parallax, you can try grouping the rifle by fitting a rear cap with a 1/4” hole in the centre. Keeping a central sight picture is much easier and will eliminate the parallax.
Hello future peasants tell me how tomorrow is. Yesterday is well I shall inform thee.
@Anglus Patria patron
@Anglus Patria there was a bit of a glitch/oopsy that let us watch this video yesterday
@@ddproductionscanada that happened to me with an akou video. Rob was surprised too.
Good to see my joke about the wutang flu got yeeted.
Future man here - times are desperate, the Toilet paper wars have begun, if you dont have a square or two to bribe your way into the Bidet zone, you're in a shitty situation. be glad you got that m91, you can trade it for a full roll, which you can then use to pay for passage to the ~~cornfields~~ TP leaf fields of Nebrask,
Looks like you guys have got alot of rain in the Tucson area as we have up here in Phoenix. Shot the other day in the desert and its sooo green.
Oh no, an optic designed in the 60s with an emphasis on durability isn't the best in the world? I'm shocked!
Neat rifle though, it's a shame they decided against doing the M76, but the M91 is interesting.
they dont make the m76 anymore, they dont have the tooling
Think you're right with that assessment, the fact that the last 2 groups seemed to form a circle with no "center hits". It reminds me of inconsistent eye placement on some Marines had with ACOGs on annual qual who were usually to far back and the reticle was "hovering"
I built a time machine just for this video
Ah man living in the desert like that is awesome. Look at the landscape. Is beautiful and you can just take your rifle out and shoot at things. Amazing
I'm pretty sure after 30 rounds they would still be dead!
Raph NZ for nearly $3200, I’d be just as disappointed and curious as to the accuracy issues as Ian.
Damn, everything in this rifle (bolt (I know its not bolt action but it does have a "bolt" and no I am not native english), firing, reloading) sounds so good I felt it in my pants. Groovy
the wonders of the future TODAY!
You should try grouping again with the 147gr bullet. Idk much about this rifle but my PSL produces the best groups with regular old surplus silver tip. I love when my rifles like cheap ammo
it'd definitely be cool to see this at a match, if a bit pointless i suppose, but certainly a viable test to see how it performs under match conditions.
In the Serbian military, these are issued with a 6x scope. If I were going to run it in a match, it would definitely need an upgrade in optics from the one seen here being used by Ian.
“For a spas like me” killing me Ian. Love your work.
4:32 Ian's boop of precision marksmanship.
Putting a muzzle break on it makes a big difference with accuracy first thing I did on mine was cut that welded thread protector off
So there is a big paralax error on this scope.
And i don't like offset (left-right) scopes. To me it is is a stupid idea.
@@Strawberry92fs on some rifles sometimes. but on mag fed AK?
The offset has never been a problem; it's no different than taking into account the height of the scope above the bore if your zero at 100 yds takes into account the slight offset (I believe it's .6") and at combat ranges, it won't make a difference, anyway. The reason for the offset is, yes, originally, stripper clips were intended to be used; military doctrines of the '50s and '60s didn't include issuing large numbers of magazines to individual soldiers. Also, it makes using the irons considerably easier, which their military trains for as it was found that irons were the better way to go for targets under 200 meters if one takes into account faster target acquisition and maintenance of situational awareness. Yeah, it would probably be better if they had centered optics, but, at this point, I think it's become a (former) East bloc tradition. You'll find that the Russians and other Slavic militaries are quite pragmatic; if these things were issues, they would have been done away with. Such things only seem to bother civilian armchair soldiers who have seen all their combat in war movies and fantasy range drills.
@@varanid9 "Such things only seem to bother civilian armchair soldiers who have seen all their combat in war movies and fantasy range drills".
If u are in army u cannot tell "uh its pink i can't be see with pink gun, gimme something else"
or
" i will not use this gun becouse they have better guns. Gimme what they have becouse i wanna be sniper/MG user"
or
" i dont wanna iron sights i wanna red dot/ i dont wanna red dot i want scope".
U just fight with what u get. Army will give u equipment for "free". U have no other choise.
As civilian user i am spending my hard earn money on equipment that i am choosing.
So i wanna have best eq for a price.
If as a civilian i would get a rifle that i am not 100% happy with i would buy accesories to fix what i don't like - scope mount is high and off center - i just buy what i like.
In army u can't do this.
edit:
MY friend was preety good shooter in the army. One of the best in his squad. He should be DMR or go to sniper school. But what army did? They give him a "new" AK and he was fobbiden to tuch sights. This AK had sights with bad 0 and barrel was beat to death. And after this he had trouble to hit a target. No consistant grouping and with distance more than 100m there was almost impossible to hit anything.
And he could do nothing about this. Not even complain.
As civilian if i get bad eq i just fix or return to seller/manufacturer.
@wildwilllis1 Salty
@wildwilllis1 man i wrote a comment that totally agree with ure opinion .
In short: in army u fight what u issued. There is no "i don't like" in army.
But as civilian i pay for rifle and i want best value for price. As civilian i have right to not like some eq. I can be picky and choose spoiled kid because i pay for it.
In military someone give u apples but u like bananas - hard time , u eat apples.
In civilian someone give u apples but u like bananas - no thank u i will buy bananas.
The way these rufles are set up you still use iron sights at a close range and at distances you use the optics. This is still an influence from the Soviet Mosin-Nagant era. Everything has a purpose.
3000 dollars for this while an SVD is listed at 750 bucks at the kalashnikov group official site in russia, damn.
Jorg Luc Here in the United States that SVD would be $30,000
NC Dave It is an extremely expensive rifle to manufacture. It takes a lot of skill and QC to make basicly what is a stamped AK action as accurate as it is.
a dragunov in usa cost from 10.000 (tigr) to 250000 (svd) ,In europe cost 1200 - 3000 euro.
@NC Dave They were banned from import into the US so prices skyrocketed
Shooting a group right handed would have helped resolve the parallax question, especially with an offset optic.
The poor results are because of the ammo. I have fired numerous Dragunovs, M76 and FPKs and they perform poorly with everything except Soviet 7N1 Sniper Ammo. With that ammo and that ammo only they are all pretty accurate. I think they were designed for that ammo which is too bad, it is damn expensive fodder but it does work well.
With this ammunition other non famous M-91 shooters are reporting 1 MOA groups. Rob Ski reported a sub MOA group.
I would put ( if you can ) a Leupold 3x9 x 40 or a good 6 X scope , leave the scope on 4 or 6 X and shoot a 5 shot group and see if the group size is caused by the scope .... I tend to shoot 5 shot groups as sometimes a 10 shot group the rifle heats up or you get tired
Ian's ponytail out here looking LONG and LUSCIOUS
I love the way this video is filmed.
You've been struck by..... a smoooooth criminal! Now. Back to the future. AwaaaAAAAAYYYYYYYYYYY!
European optics tend to change the point of impact 1 cm per click at 100 meters. So it's not 1/10 but 1/100 of a meter. That means for Americans: to shift the impact 1 inch at 100 yards you'd need about 3 clicks on a metric optic. (that will be 1,07 inches) That's why we say a good rifle is in 3 cm circle at 100m, which is (what a surprise) about 1 MoA
Hello from tomorow !
Really nice to watch one of your vids and see rounds on target.
It's frustrating when you fire weapons and never show the round hits.
Keep it up
Very inaccurate rifle. I used M77 (Ooops I meant M76 in 7.92x57mm Mauser) with the same optics during Yugoslavian civil war when serving in JNA (Yugoslav People Army). I shoot M76 with 196 grain "sniper ammo" (I think it was 196 grain) a lot during my sniper course in JNA. The best I would ever get was 3 inch at 100 meters 10 rounds group. And that was rare. I later used it during civil war in Croatia. Heavy, not ergonomic and inaccurate. I did own and shoot VEPR with 23.2 inch barrel in 7.62x54R here in USA. I was getting worse than 3 inch at 100 yards 10 rounds. I used various match ammo. The barrel quality on Serbian and Russian rifles is quite bad. As soon as the barrel heats up it becomes very inaccurate.
Finnish Mosin Nagant runs circles around this rifle (and VEPR). I own 2 of them. Long stroke AK system is pretty much garbage when it comes to accuracy especially when you combine it with poor quality barrel.
I do lots of long range shooting here in USA (old habits die hard). I own Savage 10 FCP-SR is 308. It is amazing to me that $475 rifle can be SO much better than M77 (Ooops I meant M76), M91 or VEPR. Even regular AR-10 is leaps and bounds better.
Nice video.
My thoughts exactly. I'd love to compare this $3000 rifle against some $450-1500 dollar options in terms of accuracy and fit/finish.
I have Zastava M2010 .243win and I shot 1" or 3cm 3 round groups with iron sights all day when I take my time and shoting fast it spreads to 3" at 100m. I like my ak garbage lol Comparing M2010 or M77 to M91 is funny and tells me how you have no idea about rifles nor Zastava.
@@turbografx16 . I have done similar comparisons in the past. I have been building and accurizing rifles for over 10 years (glass bedding, trigger polishing etc..). Up to ~1000 yards you will not see much difference. I just got back from the shooting range. A guy that I know brought his 300 Win Mag. His barrel was built for a specific bullet weight, the stocks was fit to the barrel (they did a very nice job free floating) and the action is custom built for the barrel. He has muzzle brake and silencer. Whole 9 yards. Beautiful rifle. Very expensive, did not want to tell me the price but I am guessing around $3k-$4k. He had $2k Nightforce optics. I had Savage 308 FCR-SR with SWFA 10x42mm scope. I shoot good ammo. I had Federal Gold Medal loaded with 185 grain Berger bullet. BC(G1) for my ammo is 0.552. Up to 750 to 800 yards there was no difference. I am slightly better shooter and have better eyes, so I was able to keep up with him at 1,000 yards. After that there was no competition. He ran up to 1 mile without much problem. It was 25F with RH=65%. The wind was between 2 and 6 mph coming at ~90 degrees.
Savage in my opinion is the best bang for the buck if you don't want to go to custom expensive rifles. Remington 700 was good but they have too many quality control issues. The guy that shoot with me today is taking his rifle to Texas for pig hunt and he will try to shoot at 3,300 yards. He promised me some video of his groups. We will see.
@@im-oc4jr What do you think of the Ruger Precision Rifle?
@@turbografx16. It is a very nice rifle. Very adjustable and surprisingly light taking into account it has chassis. The only "negative" that some people don't like is that the barrel use to be made out of 4140 Steel Alloy (not sure what they do now). But who cares it is not a machine gun. There are videos of people hitting targets at 1 mile with the rifle. I am biased to Savage because I like my 308 to have at least 22-24 inch barrel. If you shoot 6.5 Creed than 24 inch barrel is standard across the industry. Also, AccuTrigger on my Savage is set at 1.5lb. I like it, some people that shot my rifle hate it. They like more resistance.
You should try and decide for yourself. I am pretty sure you will not be disappointed in Ruger or Savage.
Fairly decent waterline group right there! Might be an artefact of the uncomfortable shooting position , reticle movement or receiver movement. Practically impossible to get a good cheek-weld with that setup for a left-hander. Still shows potential.
Dave Johnson I really think you are on to something there, along with the scope mount could be working loose. This right handed M-91 shooter is getting consistent 1 MOA groups out of his. But I have a lot of experience shooting side mounts and the cousins of the M-91 (PSL, M-76 and Tabuk Sniper clone).
When I was building precision rifles , the customers scope was frequently the cause of problems. Apart from piss-poor handloads and shooting skills - not to mention the local expert “helping”. I built a jig with QD mounts and a collimator and this often revealed reticle movement or erector-tube issues. Even dry firing can reveal reticle jump . But just looking at Ian shooting , he has to make considerable effort to line up in an unnatural position and as he gets more fatigued the consistency suffers. That would be my #1 take out on this. You know yourself : a ten round match requires a lot of concentration and effort and if things bug you at the start they generally don’t shift toward the better. That’s why we have those days where the safest place is the centre bull . Maybe not for you , but I’ve had plenty . 😂 Can’t really do it anymore : my eyes just don’t allow it. But I think with some tweaking that rifle could shoot better than it has a right to. That first flat waterline tells the story. Even placing the bipod on a flat smooth surface may help because there’s a lot going on there under recoil and cycling? Bodging up a cheek adapter or maybe trying to set up a decent sling : very dynamic rifles often shoot better when locked into one in preference to off a bipod or rest? Maybe a scope with 8x and a reticle lock like the IOR’s from Romania?
Weird timing how you post this just when I discovered zastava rifles after finding a pic of south African recces with a rifle they designated the ak-85
Zastava is a whole new world of weapons, thry make everything except semi auto shotguns and pump action shotguns, actually they made one back in early 90s
it's ejection is just as violent as my PSL.. saw one of those zip right past your cameraman's head.. my brother in law has a half circle scar on his forehead from one of my cases and he was 2 benches away sighting in his rifle at the time
Unlisted video gang
Shhhhh don't remind him lol
Yeet
if you may notice, this sight lacks rubber eyepiece from SVD, which should, in theory, not only protect your eye from hitting by scope on recoil, but also helps to your eye's position uniformity through the shots.
Any slow mo footage? Id love to see how much this goofy ass thing warps and wiggles under recoil.
Seems like a better optic would make this platform shine much better particularly an optic mounted over the center of the rifle. I’m a lefty also and that would be my first change to it.
Another video on Serbian stuff, yes! Do more!!!
Good solid cheek weld putting your head in the exact same place every time is important.
New rifles take some time to get used to.
Thanks for the review. I think there are a lot better ways to spend $3K+. I expect a group that size at 600 yds, not 100.
Donald Newcomb Considering that me and other M-91 shooters are reporting sub MOA to MOA groups out of our rifles using that same ammunition. There is something going wrong in this video. Most likely it has to to with Ian having to twist his head to get a sight picture.
I think both Atlantic and Zastava were surprised by how fast the first batch of these actually sold. I've been eyeing an M76 for a while, since no mortal will be able to afford a real SVD anymore and I have a soft spot for the 8mm, I'd be interested to see how these compare. Are these stamped receivers or milled?
I’m cheating!
Nah, he said at the end that he'll link it so its cool.
trigger reset sound is so satisfying in this one
I'm a time traveller with a copy of Ian's 2022 best seller on .32 French Long if any of you 2020 guys would like to buy it
Does It have pictures of Ian shooting his MAS-38 smg? Or even the future couldn't help him?
@@Arthurzeiro Only the HMG reproductions chambered in 9mm, sadly
I like this range. Good scenery.
Well hello there people, i am from the future
It would be interesting to shoot another group with the gas block set on 2, to see if that makes any difference. And a control group fired over the open sights.
Sub 1000 views gang.
I bought 2 CAI M76's from J&G several years ago for $1000 each and they came with the original scope of course. To date I have only fired one and it has been 100% reliable. The lowest gas setting throws brass 30 feet. I modified the follower by welding a tab on the rear so that it cannot tip forward. Before that I used a Snap Cap as my last round so the follower wouldn't tip. I think this rifle was a bargain for $1000. Just don't expect AR-10 accuracy from it. You will probably get 3" group at 100 yards like I have. I keep meaning to try a better scope, but I don't think it will make a difference. I would like to get a M91, but $3150 is too much for a rifle with average at best accuracy.
Sight picture is one of the fundamentals of marksmanship. This might be a more common case of operator error. But great video as always.
I think that the spurned cheek-rest is a paralax compensation aid. Using the scope at 100 yards is the opposite but similar problem as taking a close-up with a twin lens reflex or rangefinder camera, really. You need a way of registering your eye in the same place each time, and the cheek rest, on this rifle, is it.
Atlantic Firearms sells both the Zastava M91 and the Romanian PSL. M91 is way over priced at $3150 compared to $1820 for essentially the same rifle. Your first 10 shot mag illustrates how rapidly accuracy deteriorates in these thin barreled rifles. My PSL does the same. Put on a Primary Arms R-grid scope and RS Regulate mount and you will get the full potential out of these rifles.
Bigbore except these are not the same rifle. There are major differences in the barrel between the two. There is a subtle difference in the gas piston. I own both a PSL and a M-91. I am shooting 1 MOA out of my M-91 with a 6X POSP using the same kind of ammunition. I am getting 1.5-2 MOA out of my PSL with PPU SPs.
Thank you , Ian .
First guy to pronounce Zastava correctly lol. In the army my rifle was M76
I'm kind of surprised that as long as x54 has been around in so many countries, there's not a lot of match loads or even suitable bullets for a match load (the 174gr SMK is...meh). Never heard of a 182gr .311 bullet before this video.
Also, Ian has some lovely locks. c: