Replace the word "jews" with "whites" and you wouldn't hear about it on any media outlet...they would deny it ever happen and call you a racist conspiracy theorist for even mentioning it. Plus every administrator here would all agree with it.
Try being ashamed that you're "progressive." These woketards that you're in bed with intellectually just got caught expressing what wokeists think. Most, such as yourself, are never actually have the light shone onto them so intensely.
All the attributes of Hitler’s movement, we’re on the rights in Europe. All those same attributes are on the left in the United States, and the college campuses are just amplify.
She just gained a billion fans. You think she cares? Lol. Each of them did. Far bigger opportunity for them globally. The east is rich like you can’t believe.
I am too. Finally Academia is decoupling from Zionist funding. This couldn’t come at a more perfect time. Now it’s time for rich Middle Eastern nations to swoop in and plug what is not even a figure that could register on their accounts. So wonderful to see in our lifetime. 🙌🏽
@@johndickson9542 you think she is in need of money?! 🤣 Loool. Legend. Legend. Legend. And just because the US is bent over for a good seeing to by Israel, doesn’t mean the rest of the world is. Education consultancy internationally is big business, aging far more than you lot. Lol. 🤣 The world is her oyster.
Judging from all the smirking I feel like the board of presidents spoke quite intentionally. They showed their true colors by being very biased hypocrites. Falling over themselves backtracking and apologizing is not going to save them.
This isn’t going to hurt Penn as much as you want it to. The smirk is one you give when you’re being interrogated by an idiot who is pretending to not understand the answer you’ve given and explained too many times to have to repeat it any more times. It’s all fake second hand rage by someone who’s supposedly a devout Roman Catholic that without a doubt grew up demonizing the people she’s fake standing up for in this fake hearing. Stefanik is just the latest in the long lineup of clown shoed republican congress jokers looking for their sound bite on camera begging to become memes or campaign ads for their future opponents.
A hypocrite is someone like you, who shows more interest in a bogus congressional hearing on fictitious genocides while real genocide is being committed by a country you support with your tax dollars.
It's because they know Stefanik is acting her outrage at their answers. At least in part. They know she doesn't give a shit about Jews or she wouldn't support Trump. But for presidents of major universities, they don't seem to be very smart because even though the questioner is over the top, you should still maintain serious composure when talking about serious subjects.
I find it rather hilarious that a trumptard, MAGA loving, republican is bullying, talking down to and being condescending towards liberal, lunatic, female college admins who wear goofy glasses and smirk at the bullying behavior. They are laughing because Stefanik on has a BA, and they all have PhD's. The *entire lot of them out to be tarred and feathered and run out of town*
It's the silliness and arrogance of Stefanik demanding a "yes" or "no". Stefanik's a Harvard alumna, but she's pandering to dumb scum in this clip. Dumb scum who'll vote for her.
She ain't laughing so much now! "We" have always said that those who are happy to promote cancel culture would some day have it come to bite themselves, given it's nature I think it's a fairly logical conclusion , now SHE knows it!! I have no sympathy for her. God, bring the world to its senses please.
Tell you what. The only one I know for a fact won't resign or apologize. Is the bald head black woman. Bet you a million dollars she won't. If someone tells her she should. She will scream you are racist.
Rep Stefanik is a hero! I'm a Democrat but thank her for taking action to stop this racist, double-speak and the danger it's created for Jewish students.
Man she blew up her entire career in minutes lol... thats harsh. Hey Magill calls for genocide for Jewish people is indeed unacceptable. So a simple "yes" would have sufficed. If Elise had said "Does calling for the genocide of black people violate MIT's rules for harassment, yes/no"... I'm sure they'd get a swift yes.
Yea right. I guess u don’t know they took mat turner’s brain to Harvard after killing him and black people are the real Jews so of course they should defend
Would you say intifada is a call for the genocide of all Jews? If so, there was 1000 Jews killed in the 10 years of intifada. There has been 7000 Palestinian kids killed in the last 8 weeks… Is nothing Israel says a call to genocide of the Palestinians?
Not really. All of a sudden Billions of pro Palestinians know their names now. You think you’re the only country where people can do well? The Middle East and Far East are rich like you couldn’t imagine. They have incredible consulting and management roles if they want them now. The news we have read has called them hero’s. You stay in your little bubble. It’s better that way. 🤣 Whilst the rest of the world wakes up to the Israeli and Jewish lobby in action. Perpetuating every stereotype we now know to be true. 🙌🏽 Kanye West wasn’t wrong. 👀
You’d be surprised how many folks still hate black people, I’d figure it’d be way more apparent especially in 🇺🇸 that blacks as an entire community are obviously still more hated than anyone Jewish. Like an instant as soon as you see them type of hate because it’s so obvious in America because of the color of their skin. Both are wrong but don’t be so sure if yourself that folks would easily dismiss the genocide of blacks and as far as the President of Harvard being a black woman to even ask her that question would be an obvious issue so I doubt she’d even be ask your hypothetical question. But to insinuate definitively that across the board EVERY university President in the country or involved would answer with a resounding “yes” if it were blacks, shows just how unaware of things you really are in the 🇺🇸. I see on a daily, weekly, monthly, yearly basis that they are still the most and tenured discriminated group of people in that country from their day 1 there. Systematically, judicially, educationally, financially, demographically, you name it, that in itself is a slow drag generational genocide for them in that country. The Jewish community propers in that country for the most part in all of those categories. So again don’t be too sure of yourself that people would be answering yes to that so confidently.
It's rare that I find myself in total agreement with a MAGA republican. But the smug and dismissive demeanor in which the university presidents displayed while answering, or in this case, not really answering, the questions is what struck me as most infuriating.
They did answer the question, and appropriately so. It's content dependent. Saying "intifada" does not automatically mean "kill the jews." Same goes for the chant of "from the River to the Sea." It's content dependent. And 90% of the time, it's NOT... I repeat NOT used within antisemitic content. That MAGA trash lady only wanted cheap political points. And it looks like she got them out of you.
Remember that these presidents were served up on a platter with canned answers by their handlers. Call it smug all you want. Smugness happens when you’re being interrogated by an idiot who is pretending to not understand the answer you’ve given and explained too many times to have to repeat it any more times. It’s all fake second hand rage by someone who’s supposedly a devout Roman Catholic that without a doubt grew up demonizing the people she’s fake standing up for in this fake hearing. Stefanik is just the latest in the long lineup of clown shoed republican congress jokers looking for their sound bite on camera begging to become memes or campaign ads for their future opponents. I’m not saying I agree with these answers. They’re playing the long game by not lining themselves up to have their answers spun on them by the clowns asking the questions.
@@benjaminrusso7252 Conservatism is where racism shelters. Those University presidents gave a perfectly acceptable answer. But because Stefanik wants to score cheap political points while pretending to care about Jews, and punching down on Palestinians, she pretended to be outraged. She's the racist, she's the antisemite, and she's a conservative.
Did I hear this right? I swear they straight up said that in order for student's behavior to violate the codes of conduct, they would have to actually commit genocide. Until the students start killing, it's all just harmless free speech, and can't be punished. It's like arguing that if some people are getting together every night and talking about a planned bank robbery, they haven't done anything wrong until they show up at the bank with guns drawn. Talking about a planned bank robbery is not protected free speech, and neither is calling for the genocide of any group.
Anti-semitism is quite a unique concept. No where in the world have they created an entire word and category for the hate, or the questioning of a race of people, other than here! And I find it more interesting that if someone admits that the Zionist launched a plan to use the Jews to annex land that doesn't belong to them. That is somehow Anti-Semitic. However, if you knew the history of Chaim Weizmann and his inner circle. These were elites who hated the working class, and used these people during a time of political upheaval, not to mention a time when Jews were being hunted. To launch an occupation campaign that was ultimately successful. And I have mad respect for pulling this whole thing off. But in the end, it only transferred power to the Elites. And they have done a horrible job governing their land. And by that, I mean they should have wiped Hamas from the face of the Earth back when it was formed! To allow them to operate unhindered as long as they have, makes me wonder what their goal was to allow a terrorist organization who wants to commit genocide to exist literally on their border.
Because it is lol, that's what's known as gaslighting. Or a strawman argument. Infada is a call to arms, not genocide. According to the ignorance of stefanik, Greg Abbott is calling for genocide when he talks about seceding from Texas from the U.S. Apparently any political disagreement is now hate speech against Jews according to the "Jews will not replace us" crowd. It's absurd.
Absolutely astonishing. These three women can't see anything wrong with people on their campuses calling for the murder of their Jewish students. But if they were asked about whether calling for the annihilation of black people was a violation of their rules, you know they would NOT answer, "Well, it depends what the context was."
@n10dkf there's plenty of evidence of people calling for the genocide of Israel/Jewish people, but it's completely besides the fact. Something can still be absolutely unacceptable even if it didn't happen yet. Moron
The smug look on these women's faces is astounding. Who appointed these women anyway? That's why these positions should be filled by non-woke individuals. Ideally, men who can make the though situations!
They answered intelligently. It's unsurprising you're unable to grasp the distinction. And they'd all still have jobs if they'd been able to control their facial expressions
It’s funny I am not a republican. I am not a fan of Trump. But I will say I am super happy he nominated Elise as UN ambassador. She is a badass and I really like her!
Those college presidents were trying to look "professional" by giving "scholarly" answers. If all they did was answer affirmatively or negatively, Stefanik would be an afterthought; now she is known all over, and is suddenly a "rising star."
These professors in academia never had the word "no" said to them, they always got their way in education, they picked their favorites, ignored the rest or say no to them. Parents were properly academics. They hated business owners or wealthy people who invented a product. Middle-Class people with a fancy degree, ones without it or have a trade are so down to earth and humble.
@@realitypreferred7084Yes they do think like that. Wokeness leads to calls for genocide which leads to actual genocide. American universities for the most part are indoctrination centers.
Saying it ok to call for the genocide of a people is ok, unless you aren't actively genociding? If someone was calling for the genocide of trans people you would be losing your shit.
@@jayce8001the leaders and billionaires are Jewish though 😂 statistically Jewish people made up 30% of the richest 100 people in America. As far back as 2009 they had 139 people on Forbes 400, to put that in perspective as recent as 2017 there was only 2 black people on that list and 5 were Hispanic. That’s the crème de la crème right there if I say so myself lol that’s not accounting for regular millionaires either you know the $2 million - $250 million earners if I took an educated guess I’d take they take up a significant % of that group as well based on the previously established factual statistics; you don’t become high earners like that without being a leader already and once you peak one place they tend to look to lead in other places as well. 🤷♂️ just saying.
To be part of the left, you have to be a single woman or very big and unattractive angry. Want to hurt people that don’t agree with you and you hate people because of uncontrollable attributes.
All three should resign, but more importantly, Congress needs to investigate who coached these women to give practically identical statements. This sounds like some kind of coordinated effort and we need to know who's behind this.
That is already known. One lawyer coached all three of them, which is in no way illegal. It is why the responses were so legalistic too: they have to follow rules. Elise Stefanik gets to just yell things.
@@user-jy2ci5ox9v Your comment makes no sense. Why would anyone want to investigate a group that had nothing to do with this hearing? Perhaps you should watch the video before commenting.
Liz McGill may have resigned as President, BUT she is not out and will remain on the Faculty eventually receiving a very hefty Pension when she retires. Don't worry about Liz McGill or Claudine Gay at Harvard. They are in a protected class all by themselves.
Right. Because, for you, this is less about clarification and more about "eluding" people to try and show that we are smarter than them. Extra points if those people are women and one or more of them is Black.
Free speech is context dependant. Be free to speak all of your opinions, but your opinions may determine your fitness for a role in society, which is the case every day for everyone.
Almost there. Yes, this is part of it. But that is court of public opinion. The Representative should be censured for using their chair to oversee and enforce their opinion by using code of conduct rules as proxy for oversight when, in fact, she is violating the First Amendment by doing so.
America should remove the freedom of speech amendment from constitution as that no longer exists in America. Both parties have no ethics or balls to stand up to right and left crazies.
This may be free speech but it is a gross abuse of it. It is HATE SPEECH and should not be tolerated. Words can cause cataclysmic damage. Hitler is a perfect example.
@kristoduka8012 Yes. Because she's asking specifically about a university policy of harassment and bullying and that has parameters that specify what is considered harassment and what is not. They made it clear. Their code of conduct is ABOUT conduct, not opinion. Carrying out a direct action against others, not making a hateful general statement of opinion on a group/religion/race/sexuality.
@@kristoduka8012 of course its not ok. But it isn't a moral question. It would be awful for someone to say this. The question was, is that considered harassment at these universities. Their answer reflected the code of conduct....it does not. It is difficult to answer "no" and accept that someone can say horrible things and not face consequences for it. But these women are trying to represent the university COC truthfully. An incident cannot be considered harassment without context and conduct being considered.
Because she knows after this she’ll be a legend to Billions of others. You guys think you ate with asking her these Zionist lobby driven questions? Everybody saw through them.
Excuse me but why is Congress even talking to these Harvard people? Why does it matter to Congress if a private institution's "code of conduct" has been violated or not? That's totally up to Harvard and not up to the government. Antisemetic behavior is NOT illegal. One might make the case that it's insitement but if it is then the police and the courts should get involved but not Congress. I'm really tired of this kind of stupid shit on the internet is not questioned as it is more virtue signaling than anything of substance. Congress, focus on governing not sticking your nose in business that should not be concerning you!
Sure, they're independent and private... just as soon as those elite welfare state bloodsuckers get off the taxpayer dole... MIT: $600 million in federal moolah in 2023
The only thing I wish Rep. Stefanik had done differently would have been to ask Dr. Gay if calling for the genocide of Blacks constituted a violation of Harvard's code of conduct after she went on the record as saying that calling for the genocide of Jews "depended upon the context."
@@hippygirlfriend4937just Google the entire hearing and forward to the different times Stefanick questioned them. She did indeed ask that question and Gay skirted the issue. Basically didnt answer.
Every single one of those women knew that if they said it was unacceptable they were going to be asked why it was tolerated. And I'm willing to bet that if there had been a call for the elimination of black people on campus, there would never be a "But Muh Context!" argument.
While the questions at face value, without context and implications, are "easy" to answer, I can very much understand why a public figure would be hesitant to answer considering so many people now conflate being pro-Palestinian with being "antisemitic" or "pro-genocide" when that is simply not true. I think we can agree, most people are against genocide except those hungry for power. But the presidents are probably scared to block themselves in a corner because Ms. Stefanik might later imply that speaking out against Israel is genocidal and then say any student who does should be removed from campus.
I’m sorry, but if she asked this about Black people or Native Americans rather than Jews, these same people would fall over themselves to be the first to say “yes”. Why the immense and blatant hypocrisy?
@@rudyavila1825 It's free speech. Universities have long had policies that protect a student's right to free speech, as long as it isn't used to intimidate or bully other students. Darling of the right Nick Fuentes for example, who has spoke at Trump events, attended the Unite the Right ally that marched around calling for "one people, one nation" and chanting "Jews will not replace us." He was allowed to keep attending the university.. because free speech is protected, even when abhorrent.
I think the correct reply would be "Yes calling for genocide against Jews is unacceptable and against conduct rules at the university." As long as it is (if not you just leave that part out and you'll have to answer why it's not). If Stefanik then asks if students will be punished for it, then you say you are investigating, which would be true if there were actual calls for genocide on campuses and those people were harassing Jewish students. If the Reps try to define intifada or "River to the sea" as calling for genocide, then you can argue that's not really what those phrases mean and protesting against a foreign country's government is not antisemitic. But if students were threatening Jewish students, they should definitely be punished for that.
How f-ing hard is it to respond to a question like this? I mean for Gods sake, what if the question was directed at the black or transgender communities?!? I wonder how much “context” would matter if people were calling for their extermination on campus?
It's hard because Stefanik was intentionally asking a misleading, irrelevant and extremely hypothetical question. There were no calls for "genocide of Jews" reported on any campus. There were calls for intifada, an uprising against Israeli Zionist oppression, occupation, colonialism and militarism, and against Israel's legislated Jewish Ascendancy (c.f. Protestant Ascendancy in N. Ireland). I'm not a US citizen, but I cannot disagree with whoever said Stefanik should be censured for bullying witnesses.
@@jayce8001 there is no “legal matters” in this situation. you represent a university. if you can’t respond to a question about the code of conduct on the school YOU preside over without “consulting a lawyer” then there is clearly something wrong.
People are allowed to have horrible opinions. It's an american right. You can hate any kind of person you want, wish them dead, and say it out loud. That isn't harassment. They answered her question. A publicly stated opinion is not the same as harassment. You can be racist and go to college. You can hate gay people and go to college and you can voice that opinion. What you can't do is turn it into action. You cant target individuals. You cant attack them physically. You cant threaten them personally. You cant yell antisemitic slurs in their face. That's direct intimidation. She's asking a hypothetical question, and they are answering with a written code of conduct that has specific parameters for what constitutes as bullying and harassment. Not liking the answer does not make these women antisemitic. It's not a personal question, it's a question about policy.
this is such a stupid view. You understand it's a fckinnn university right? Students go there to gain knowledge under a safe environment. You can hate people outside as much as you like but actively hating certain races under university premises is one of the fastest ways to increase hate crimes in the US. Also, the question isn't about hating. It clearly says "asking for genocide of Jewish people" essentially meaning killing Jewish people and you believe people can walk around preaching those views on a university. Are you crazy?
To me there is a difference between free speech and rhetoric. Calling for the genocide of anyone, is an act, no different than yelling "fire" in a movie theater. Her response of "if the speech turns into conduct, it can be harrassment" before there is any action taken is crazy. As Stefanik said, "Conduct meaning the act of genocide?" Excellent response, and incredible that a university president could be splitting hairs on this.
I know. Like speaking in front of a building and using words that rile up people, rile them into a violent frenzy. Then turn loose those people on that building and they do get violent. I totally agree with you. Those people need to held accountable
Your post is embarrassing, as it reveals you have no understanding of the difference between the law and school code of conduct. Hint: one does not need to violate the law in order to violate the code of conduct. Stud you ain't, not intellectually for sure.
@@goodcomrade4231 Mayhaps you read the post wrong? I was not referring to breaking the law by shouting fire, I was using an analogy of using words can do harm, without actually doing anything physically. Yelling fire in a theater will likely cause panic and therefore injuries, just as calling for genocide can erupt into someone being attacked and therefore injured. Why the need for you to lash out; I have no idea.
Shouting fire when there isn't one in a crowded movie theater (or less crowded) is illegal because it directly leads to people getting injured when everyone rushes to get out. Calling for genocide of a people doesn't end in anyone getting hurt unless the person doing it has the power to make it happen. It's bad no matter what, but a random guy on the street saying "Let's kill all the x" to a bunch of random people walking by is not violating any law in the US. If the president of the US said the same thing to a group of followers who then went out and killed a bunch of people, then that would be illegal.
If you called for the genocide of Arabs or Blacks, Campus Police would throw you off the Campus or put you in jail. Calling for the genocide of Jews on the same campuses would not result in the same outcome.
One more thought. You know what's most concerning about this: There are several million voters who will hear sound bites and think that a judge from The Voice was somehow on a panel question university presidents. And they will not give the matter any more thought.
How is asking a loaded question to lead a witness considered good governance? That tactic is not tolerated in court, yet is the goto strategy by both sides in congressional hearings! I hear claims of "Genocide", I just don't see overwhelming evidence. We aren't really getting to heart of any matter from what I can see so far. A college campus is a place to share ideas, and to argue ideologies. But it seems that there are people who are claiming that certain speech means "This or That" instead of people asking for clarification. Personally, I would like to see this whole thing debated properly. Because I honestly think at least 90% of people think that Hamas is a terrorist organization! However, there are some who watch events and realize that the Zionist elites have done a piss poor job of governing their land! There is no reason that Bibi and his government should not have waged war on Hamas from the very start! It should have been priority #1 for the protection of the Jewish people, and the citizens of Israel to wipe out Hamas. The fact that they haven't scares me even more, because Hamas has never since their inception, changed their mission statement! ** I am interested in what you think! **
@@tobybigham4196 The point of the question is to (1) demonstrate the hypocrisy of these institutions and (2) highlight the allowance, no encouragement of anti-Semitism on campuses. Her unstated but clearly implied full statement is that if she were to replace "Jews" with "black people" or "Muslims" the answer from these presidents would have absolutely been different. Let me make it clear, that answer should never be different, no matter what group is targeted. A large part of the country has chosen some protected groups and equity presides over equality. It's a disgusting ideology and the more it's exposed, the more it will fall apart. The problem is that most people aren't paying attention or are happy to placate unless they are directly effected without realizing that eventually they will feel it as well. As a Jew I'm deeply disturbed by the obvious rise in public anti-Semitism and the lack of understanding of history. But I don't think this is about Israel or Jews, it's a wider problem of people with no sense of individualism and no respect for the institutions that provide them with the freedom that they have. The institutions that have provided equality and freedom, the ones that allowed my grandparents to rise from near nothing to success stories, that are currently threatened by these distorted ideals, are what we desperately need to preserve.
@@tobybigham4196Dude, it’s not a loaded question. Those colleges have a code of conduct. Does calling for genocide violate it? If so, what actions have been taken against those that have? Simple, fact based question.
@@handsofthedevil You are assuming someone is guilty with that question. That is why it is loaded. Is there a code of conduct? Yes. Should it be up the college to cancel you because you said something stupid in public. NO. Should the college create a safe place from assault and harassment? Yes. Is it up to the college to prosecute someone for that? THEY ARE NOT LAW ENFORCEMENT!!! But they can escort you off the campus! If someone does a behavior that is questionable. You give them there day in court to explain it. If they are guilty, we can start moving with consequences. But in this country Comrad. The country I risked my life to defend in the USMC. Everyone is innocent until proven guilty! And the court is there to decide their guilt! Not you!!!!!!
Asking misleading questions and then demanding that the answer be in Yes or No reply is a very totalitarian way of approaching the concept of free speech.
Sorry, I never realised until today that asking i calling or genocide of Jews breaks university code of conduct rules was a controversial complex question
@@herefordguy 😂I know right? It's as if people still don't realize that language is an artificial construct that CAN be easily manipulated in nearly infinite amounts of ways and that real work starts when we slow down and try to better understand one another rather than sit on top of them from a moral high-ground. Answer yes or no.
@@ecosystemology is calling for the genocide of Jews against the university code of conduct? Yes or no? If it’s such a hard question why has the principe of Penn stood down with millions of donations being withdrawn? Are they stupid too?
@@ecosystemologyusually I’d agree but the particular question isn’t really complex. The conflict of course is, but we’re just talking about edgy leftist zoomers who want to participate in a shitty protest
This was a trap of a question. Yes, the answer should be a simple yes, but the problem is that people are calling for students to be expelled because they are calling for Palestinian freedom. Palestinian freedom does not mean genocide of Jewish people!
Yes, it was a trap of a question. These women should be smart enough to see this and know to say YES. That's the end of the discussion. Your point of how to interpret and treat other forms of criticism of Israel simply has no relevance to the questioning. These women weren't asked whether those other acts violated their school's code of conduct.
You say yes and then the follow up question of "are you expelling these students" can get into the context weeds of what constitutes actual antisemitism. Like protesting a foreign government doesn't equate to calling for genocide. Even saying that country shouldn't exist doesn't mean you want the people living there killed or displaced. So their "context" response was better saved for later and they can push back against right wing redefinition of words like intifada, which they should be able to do if they are smart enough to be university presidents.
Stefanik who said nothing about Trumps association with antisemite Kanye West. Stefanik conflated the word Intafada with genocide and they are not the same. She did this to grandstand Why does no one point this out?
There is still such a thing as freedom of speech in America, even if the expressed idea is abhorrent. Threats and harrassment are not protected by free speech. The expression of an ideology, no matter how vile the ideology, must be protected in a truly free society. I am a proud Jew and despise calls of genocide against Jews, but as long as these calls are expressions of an idea and not threats of violence or acts of harrassment, I still uphold that notion that "I may disagree with what you say, but I'll defend to the death your right to say it." Threats against freedom of speech from all sides of the political spectrum are terrifying me in America today.
Very True. But the question is specifically about university policy, not the definition of the First Amendment. And simple: Calling for genocide, anytime, anywhere should not be free speech. So my defense of free speech stops at that, and down right lies. Public calls for violence are not nuanced.
I too am a Jew bla bla my comment carries more weight because of it bla bla. A. It's not about freedom of speech as much as it is about the double standard and how universities nowadays are known for famously putting down free speech when it comes from conservatives and labeling even the smallest things like calling a trans woman a man as hate speech. If universities were at least consistent and said yeah it's ok to call for the genocide of Jews as well as black people or trans people then fine. If free speech is to allow calling for the murder of random civilians no matter who they are, then fine. But somehow it seems only ok if it's Jewish people. B. It's not actually really fine. I'm all for free speech and allowing mean and offensive things to be said. I think it's critical to allow it. But this is people calling for mass murder of Jews. I don't know why you would defend that, even just as a human. They're calling for you and me to be killed, and you can't speak for yourself but don't expect me to just go along with people wanting to kill me
"Ok, everyone -- I am opening the floor for perspectives on this topic, and I will not argue or complain, however unusual the responses may be. So, here is my view: the context is almost always integral, as it is here. Can we agree that genocide is morally abhorrent? If you sense an implicit trap in my question, perhaps that indicates an unwillingness to directly address the issue. A straightforward, thoughtful response places a burden of responsibility on the person asking the question, does it not? It's not about attacking anyone's character or motives - it's about having an open and honest dialogue. Does that seem reasonable?
For all those saying, "the constitution protects free speech", no one in the video was contesting the students' constitutional rights. This was about whether the students' actions should be considered harassment/bullying under the code of conduct of these universities.
@@jayce8001 no it actually is not when they were asked to investigate the matter by jewish students. When a university creates and uses a code of conduct yet blatantly disregards it when it comes to one thing, it can absolutely be investigated under discrimination of a protected class such as religion or race. They are not charging students for this speech, they are holding a university accountable to not enforcing a clear policy when it comes to jewish students who are being harassed and bullied. Again, I will sum this up for you. The speech itself is not under question by the government. It is the choice by Universities to ignore/allow a clear call to action of genocide against a protected class and their choices to invite speakers who use this language on campuses that get tax dollar funding. Please do some research and throw your biases out the window when making comments. It is clear you currently cant do that.
@@jayce8001 btw, I am myself a member of the green party and super liberal. I just able to be unbiased and look at a situation based on facts. which you are short of.
I am revisiting this video today
11/11/2024 after Stefanik's promotion, I feel blessed
Me too. Same reason I am here.
Me too. This is the first scene that jumped out of my mind.
Me too, from Malaysia 😊
Me four!!
Me too
Replace the word "jews" with "blacks" and you will see how all 3 will be spitting fire.
💯 or Palestinians
Hear! Hear!
And change it to “whites” and there’d be no issue at all. They’d probably get more money.
Replace it with whites and it will be celebrated
Replace the word "jews" with "whites" and you wouldn't hear about it on any media outlet...they would deny it ever happen and call you a racist conspiracy theorist for even mentioning it.
Plus every administrator here would all agree with it.
Look at those smirks. They think they’re so clever.
Every time I feel badly that I didn’t get into Penn I just watch this video
Dodged a bullet
The smirk on magill's face 👊
As a progressive, I’m ashamed
Try being ashamed that you're "progressive." These woketards that you're in bed with intellectually just got caught expressing what wokeists think. Most, such as yourself, are never actually have the light shone onto them so intensely.
Indeed, you should be. "Progressivism" has revealed itself to be antisemitic trash, and the antithesis of classical liberal values.
Sounds like Hitler would be welcomed today to study at these universities.
He is there in Israel. They're all carrying his DNA. Look what they're doing now lol, same as him
All the attributes of Hitler’s movement, we’re on the rights in Europe. All those same attributes are on the left in the United States, and the college campuses are just amplify.
Talking about rethoric, what's the use of remark?
Talking about rethoric, what's the use of remark?
She is so smug and sure of herself that she smirks. FYI, she just resigned. Lol.
She just gained a billion fans. You think she cares? Lol. Each of them did.
Far bigger opportunity for them globally.
The east is rich like you can’t believe.
@@user-jy2ci5ox9vtoxic NPC fans
So pleased that Penn's largest donor Ross Stevens pulled his 100 million the hell out of there.
Good on him.
He can shove his dirty money up his ass. Penn is America. Ross is only here for the good times.
I am too. Finally Academia is decoupling from Zionist funding.
This couldn’t come at a more perfect time.
Now it’s time for rich Middle Eastern nations to swoop in and plug what is not even a figure that could register on their accounts.
So wonderful to see in our lifetime. 🙌🏽
Is he Jewish?
He can send it to me!
That smirk is world-famous now! I bet the woman didn't expect this LOL
What a legend. She knew what she was doing. #Queen
@@user-jy2ci5ox9vand it cost her, her job.
@@user-jy2ci5ox9v Well, your legend is gone. On the unemployment line now.
@@johndickson9542 you think she is in need of money?! 🤣
Loool. Legend. Legend. Legend.
And just because the US is bent over for a good seeing to by Israel, doesn’t mean the rest of the world is.
Education consultancy internationally is big business, aging far more than you lot. Lol. 🤣
The world is her oyster.
She’ll be snuffed out by her own arrogance.
The smiling did them in.
Coming back to this to say I cannot WAIT to see this woman as the Ambassador to the UN 🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸
Judging from all the smirking I feel like the board of presidents spoke quite intentionally. They showed their true colors by being very biased hypocrites. Falling over themselves backtracking and apologizing is not going to save them.
This isn’t going to hurt Penn as much as you want it to. The smirk is one you give when you’re being interrogated by an idiot who is pretending to not understand the answer you’ve given and explained too many times to have to repeat it any more times. It’s all fake second hand rage by someone who’s supposedly a devout Roman Catholic that without a doubt grew up demonizing the people she’s fake standing up for in this fake hearing. Stefanik is just the latest in the long lineup of clown shoed republican congress jokers looking for their sound bite on camera begging to become memes or campaign ads for their future opponents.
True
A hypocrite is someone like you, who shows more interest in a bogus congressional hearing on fictitious genocides while real genocide is being committed by a country you support with your tax dollars.
Or the smilrk is because her question are implicit and misleading. Good thing the smirk tells all because she didn't get a chance to say anything.
I love Stefanik
She's not smirking now...lol
What a woman ! Watch out UN - here she comes !!
What’s up with those smirks??
Unreal. It’s disgusting
Stefanik should've asked them "What is so funny? I see you smiling as if this is some kind of joke."
It's because they know Stefanik is acting her outrage at their answers. At least in part. They know she doesn't give a shit about Jews or she wouldn't support Trump. But for presidents of major universities, they don't seem to be very smart because even though the questioner is over the top, you should still maintain serious composure when talking about serious subjects.
It's because academics feel superior to ordinary people. I worked in academia for decades, so I know.
I wonder what’s so funny why Ms. Liz Magill seems to be stopping herself from laughing
Fr that smirk
I find it rather hilarious that a trumptard, MAGA loving, republican is bullying, talking down to and being condescending towards liberal, lunatic, female college admins who wear goofy glasses and smirk at the bullying behavior. They are laughing because Stefanik on has a BA, and they all have PhD's. The *entire lot of them out to be tarred and feathered and run out of town*
It's the silliness and arrogance of Stefanik demanding a "yes" or "no". Stefanik's a Harvard alumna, but she's pandering to dumb scum in this clip. Dumb scum who'll vote for her.
She ain't laughing so much now! "We" have always said that those who are happy to promote cancel culture would some day have it come to bite themselves, given it's nature I think it's a fairly logical conclusion , now SHE knows it!! I have no sympathy for her.
God, bring the world to its senses please.
She's laughing because she thinks she is so superior to Elise Stafanik.
Resignations and apologies would be the only honourable course of action.
Yes. And with no more fake, back-handed apologies.
Your resignation and your apologies. Please begin.
Tell you what. The only one I know for a fact won't resign or apologize. Is the bald head black woman. Bet you a million dollars she won't. If someone tells her she should. She will scream you are racist.
And the resignations have begun. Magill resigned today (12/9/23). So did the chairman of the board of directors of UPenn.
No way. They need to stay in those positions and push for faster decoupling of Zionist Jewish funding from their institutions. It’s become insidious.
And these elitists call Conservatives Nazi's
Rep Stefanik is a hero! I'm a Democrat but thank her for taking action to stop this racist, double-speak and the danger it's created for Jewish students.
Definition of Hypocracy = "" Cancel Culture bad, bad "" !! But let's Cancel them !!!!
Uh no, not a hero. You are a bot and no actual Democrat would say anything you just said.
@@V3ganM3at give this a read en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Etymological_fallacy#Occurrence_and_examples
Time for you to also become a hero yourself and vote/become a Republican.
I'm glad you're beginning to see the true colors of the democrat party.
Man she blew up her entire career in minutes lol... thats harsh. Hey Magill calls for genocide for Jewish people is indeed unacceptable. So a simple "yes" would have sufficed. If Elise had said "Does calling for the genocide of black people violate MIT's rules for harassment, yes/no"... I'm sure they'd get a swift yes.
Yea right. I guess u don’t know they took mat turner’s brain to Harvard after killing him and black people are the real Jews so of course they should defend
Would you say intifada is a call for the genocide of all Jews? If so, there was 1000 Jews killed in the 10 years of intifada. There has been 7000 Palestinian kids killed in the last 8 weeks… Is nothing Israel says a call to genocide of the Palestinians?
Not really. All of a sudden Billions of pro Palestinians know their names now.
You think you’re the only country where people can do well?
The Middle East and Far East are rich like you couldn’t imagine. They have incredible consulting and management roles if they want them now.
The news we have read has called them hero’s. You stay in your little bubble.
It’s better that way. 🤣
Whilst the rest of the world wakes up to the Israeli and Jewish lobby in action.
Perpetuating every stereotype we now know to be true. 🙌🏽
Kanye West wasn’t wrong. 👀
You’d be surprised how many folks still hate black people, I’d figure it’d be way more apparent especially in 🇺🇸 that blacks as an entire community are obviously still more hated than anyone Jewish. Like an instant as soon as you see them type of hate because it’s so obvious in America because of the color of their skin. Both are wrong but don’t be so sure if yourself that folks would easily dismiss the genocide of blacks and as far as the President of Harvard being a black woman to even ask her that question would be an obvious issue so I doubt she’d even be ask your hypothetical question. But to insinuate definitively that across the board EVERY university President in the country or involved would answer with a resounding “yes” if it were blacks, shows just how unaware of things you really are in the 🇺🇸. I see on a daily, weekly, monthly, yearly basis that they are still the most and tenured discriminated group of people in that country from their day 1 there. Systematically, judicially, educationally, financially, demographically, you name it, that in itself is a slow drag generational genocide for them in that country. The Jewish community propers in that country for the most part in all of those categories. So again don’t be too sure of yourself that people would be answering yes to that so confidently.
It's rare that I find myself in total agreement with a MAGA republican. But the smug and dismissive demeanor in which the university presidents displayed while answering, or in this case, not really answering, the questions is what struck me as most infuriating.
They did answer the question, and appropriately so. It's content dependent. Saying "intifada" does not automatically mean "kill the jews." Same goes for the chant of "from the River to the Sea." It's content dependent. And 90% of the time, it's NOT... I repeat NOT used within antisemitic content.
That MAGA trash lady only wanted cheap political points. And it looks like she got them out of you.
Remember that these presidents were served up on a platter with canned answers by their handlers.
Call it smug all you want. Smugness happens when you’re being interrogated by an idiot who is pretending to not understand the answer you’ve given and explained too many times to have to repeat it any more times. It’s all fake second hand rage by someone who’s supposedly a devout Roman Catholic that without a doubt grew up demonizing the people she’s fake standing up for in this fake hearing. Stefanik is just the latest in the long lineup of clown shoed republican congress jokers looking for their sound bite on camera begging to become memes or campaign ads for their future opponents. I’m not saying I agree with these answers. They’re playing the long game by not lining themselves up to have their answers spun on them by the clowns asking the questions.
And this is the smug, nonsensical, and ultimately racist “tolerant” Left we Conservatives have been decrying for years.
@@benjaminrusso7252 and not just conservatives. Bill Maher has been talking about it for years.
@@benjaminrusso7252
Conservatism is where racism shelters. Those University presidents gave a perfectly acceptable answer. But because Stefanik wants to score cheap political points while pretending to care about Jews, and punching down on Palestinians, she pretended to be outraged.
She's the racist, she's the antisemite, and she's a conservative.
Did I hear this right? I swear they straight up said that in order for student's behavior to violate the codes of conduct, they would have to actually commit genocide. Until the students start killing, it's all just harmless free speech, and can't be punished. It's like arguing that if some people are getting together every night and talking about a planned bank robbery, they haven't done anything wrong until they show up at the bank with guns drawn. Talking about a planned bank robbery is not protected free speech, and neither is calling for the genocide of any group.
Assuming that they are making serious plans for an actual robbery ,then they have already broken the law.
@@philipskalla4312 Exactly.
Thank-you President Trump for sending Elise to the UN.They have no idea what is about to hit them!Love Elise so much!!!!!
I have no love for MAGA or the GOP in general, but Representative Stefanik here is hitting the nail on the head.
How?
"Conduct meaning committing the act of genocide?!"
Pinned her to the wall.
And yet these ppl are claiming antisemitism is exclusively a right wing problem.
And yet Genocide is still a “bad thing”…yes or no? 😒🙄
Marxists are notorious antisemites.
Anti-semitism is quite a unique concept. No where in the world have they created an entire word and category for the hate, or the questioning of a race of people, other than here!
And I find it more interesting that if someone admits that the Zionist launched a plan to use the Jews to annex land that doesn't belong to them. That is somehow Anti-Semitic. However, if you knew the history of Chaim Weizmann and his inner circle. These were elites who hated the working class, and used these people during a time of political upheaval, not to mention a time when Jews were being hunted. To launch an occupation campaign that was ultimately successful. And I have mad respect for pulling this whole thing off. But in the end, it only transferred power to the Elites. And they have done a horrible job governing their land. And by that, I mean they should have wiped Hamas from the face of the Earth back when it was formed! To allow them to operate unhindered as long as they have, makes me wonder what their goal was to allow a terrorist organization who wants to commit genocide to exist literally on their border.
Because it is lol, that's what's known as gaslighting. Or a strawman argument. Infada is a call to arms, not genocide. According to the ignorance of stefanik, Greg Abbott is calling for genocide when he talks about seceding from Texas from the U.S. Apparently any political disagreement is now hate speech against Jews according to the "Jews will not replace us" crowd. It's absurd.
Absolutely astonishing. These three women can't see anything wrong with people on their campuses calling for the murder of their Jewish students. But if they were asked about whether calling for the annihilation of black people was a violation of their rules, you know they would NOT answer, "Well, it depends what the context was."
Exactly!
Yet you don't have a problem with Stephanik and Trump hosting Holocaust Deniers at Mar-O- Lago; Hypocrite. Or anti-Semite Kanye West.
Where is the evidence of anyone on any of these three campuses calling for anything that you mentioned? Show us the evidence.
@n10dkf there's plenty of evidence of people calling for the genocide of Israel/Jewish people, but it's completely besides the fact. Something can still be absolutely unacceptable even if it didn't happen yet. Moron
🤣🤣🤣.... all these lawyers want to tiptoe on context without actually analyzing what's being said...
The smug look on these women's faces is astounding. Who appointed these women anyway? That's why these positions should be filled by non-woke individuals. Ideally, men who can make the though situations!
Their hemming & hawing over a simple question was beyond belief. Their arrogance looked stupid in exposing their plain evil.
They answered intelligently. It's unsurprising you're unable to grasp the distinction. And they'd all still have jobs if they'd been able to control their facial expressions
God bless this woman with strength and wisdom!
It’s funny I am not a republican. I am not a fan of Trump. But I will say I am super happy he nominated Elise as UN ambassador. She is a badass and I really like her!
And why adults don't understand how to answer "Yes" or "No"....my children are capable of it....
Those college presidents were trying to look "professional" by giving "scholarly" answers. If all they did was answer affirmatively or negatively, Stefanik would be an afterthought; now she is known all over, and is suddenly a "rising star."
These professors in academia never had the word "no" said to them, they always got their way in education, they picked their favorites, ignored the rest or say no to them. Parents were properly academics. They hated business owners or wealthy people who invented a product. Middle-Class people with a fancy degree, ones without it or have a trade are so down to earth and humble.
She is the reason why am watching this. Great be US ambassador to UN
This is so shocking, How could any person want to send their children to schools that think like this.
You’re right. If you’re a Jewish please don’t send your kids to these institutions.
Win win for all. Finally.
🙌🏽
The schools don't think anything. I think you misunderstand what school/education is.
I wonder why. (No, I don't).
@@realitypreferred7084Yes they do think like that. Wokeness leads to calls for genocide which leads to actual genocide. American universities for the most part are indoctrination centers.
She just resigned.
Schools that think logically and protect free speech? The HORROR!!!1!!1
Phantastic Elise Stefanik is now, under the Trump-Administration, US Ambassador to the United Nations. Well done, Mr. President.
"Unacceptable answers across the board!" The testimony of these individuals is sickening.
Why?
@@chrisreed3572if you don't know, then there is no reason to explain it to you.
Saying it ok to call for the genocide of a people is ok, unless you aren't actively genociding? If someone was calling for the genocide of trans people you would be losing your shit.
It wasn’t sickening. It was perfect. A political response to a political question.
@@justinfowler5761 Brainwashed much?
This is positively crazy. I have to go away and think about something else.
Perfect example of becoming what you hate ?
They already were. And no, not the religion or the people. The leaders doing it and billionaires backing them.
So true!!
@@jayce8001the leaders and billionaires are Jewish though 😂 statistically Jewish people made up 30% of the richest 100 people in America. As far back as 2009 they had 139 people on Forbes 400, to put that in perspective as recent as 2017 there was only 2 black people on that list and 5 were Hispanic. That’s the crème de la crème right there if I say so myself lol that’s not accounting for regular millionaires either you know the $2 million - $250 million earners if I took an educated guess I’d take they take up a significant % of that group as well based on the previously established factual statistics; you don’t become high earners like that without being a leader already and once you peak one place they tend to look to lead in other places as well. 🤷♂️ just saying.
To be part of the left, you have to be a single woman or very big and unattractive angry. Want to hurt people that don’t agree with you and you hate people because of uncontrollable attributes.
All three should resign, but more importantly, Congress needs to investigate who coached these women to give practically identical statements. This sounds like some kind of coordinated effort and we need to know who's behind this.
That is already known. One lawyer coached all three of them, which is in no way illegal. It is why the responses were so legalistic too: they have to follow rules. Elise Stefanik gets to just yell things.
Like congress should investigate the Jewish Israeli lobby you mean? 🤣
@@user-jy2ci5ox9v Your comment makes no sense. Why would anyone want to investigate a group that had nothing to do with this hearing? Perhaps you should watch the video before commenting.
"they have to follow rules" What rules do these terrorist groomers they have to follow?
Yes!
Liz McGill may have resigned as President, BUT she is not out and will remain on the Faculty eventually receiving a very hefty Pension when she retires.
Don't worry about Liz McGill or Claudine Gay at Harvard. They are in a protected class all by themselves.
No body called for genocide
Hopefully all donors either pull their money from these Universities or simply stop donating in future.
Very impressed with Rep Stefanik's tough questioning and having moral clarity that eludes the leaders of three of the top universities in the US.
these universities are funded by Qatar which also funds hamas...so no surprises
Right. Because, for you, this is less about clarification and more about "eluding" people to try and show that we are smarter than them. Extra points if those people are women and one or more of them is Black.
Stefanik acts as if she has a moral leg to stand on, she doesn't. Look at her past decisions and statements, she's a Trump follower.
Magill is despicable, that evil smirk…🤮
She went bye-bye
Gay had a smirk too, they all did. Disgusting.
Free speech is context dependant. Be free to speak all of your opinions, but your opinions may determine your fitness for a role in society, which is the case every day for everyone.
Almost there. Yes, this is part of it. But that is court of public opinion. The Representative should be censured for using their chair to oversee and enforce their opinion by using code of conduct rules as proxy for oversight when, in fact, she is violating the First Amendment by doing so.
America should remove the freedom of speech amendment from constitution as that no longer exists in America. Both parties have no ethics or balls to stand up to right and left crazies.
ONLY if the same standards are used for all.
This may be free speech but it is a gross abuse of it. It is HATE SPEECH and should not be tolerated. Words can cause cataclysmic damage. Hitler is a perfect example.
@wa1ufo You need to also fully understand that hate speech is a two-way street.
I am tired of listening to these three who were trying to avoid issues and their responsibilities. How could they be elected?
These women are presidents of our best colleges. Wtf!!! Are u serious... what is wrong with them.
Hate speech isn't conduct?
These 3 think they are above everyone else.
she gotta work for that $209,344 AIPAC check. an excellent politician for our welfare baby the state of Israel. #freePalestinefromtherivertothesea
This is the latest buzzword in education: context dependent.
Context, nuance, and any brainpower use at all is lacking in the right wing. So, yeah. You just had a moment of self awareness.
You can tell she's a democrat by how she is loath to punish any students calling for the gen...... of jews.
@kristoduka8012 Yes. Because she's asking specifically about a university policy of harassment and bullying and that has parameters that specify what is considered harassment and what is not. They made it clear. Their code of conduct is ABOUT conduct, not opinion. Carrying out a direct action against others, not making a hateful general statement of opinion on a group/religion/race/sexuality.
@@kristoduka8012 of course its not ok. But it isn't a moral question. It would be awful for someone to say this. The question was, is that considered harassment at these universities. Their answer reflected the code of conduct....it does not. It is difficult to answer "no" and accept that someone can say horrible things and not face consequences for it. But these women are trying to represent the university COC truthfully. An incident cannot be considered harassment without context and conduct being considered.
@@tylerw5356 It is a buzzword, very trendy now in education.
For once, I'm not embarassed by a politician from my state.
That’s because most of the Democrats
Why does McGill have a smirk on her face?
Because she knows after this she’ll be a legend to Billions of others.
You guys think you ate with asking her these Zionist lobby driven questions?
Everybody saw through them.
Excuse me but why is Congress even talking to these Harvard people? Why does it matter to Congress if a private institution's "code of conduct" has been violated or not? That's totally up to Harvard and not up to the government. Antisemetic behavior is NOT illegal. One might make the case that it's insitement but if it is then the police and the courts should get involved but not Congress. I'm really tired of this kind of stupid shit on the internet is not questioned as it is more virtue signaling than anything of substance. Congress, focus on governing not sticking your nose in business that should not be concerning you!
Sure, they're independent and private... just as soon as those elite
welfare state bloodsuckers get off the taxpayer dole...
MIT: $600 million in federal moolah in 2023
The only thing I wish Rep. Stefanik had done differently would have been to ask Dr. Gay if calling for the genocide of Blacks constituted a violation of Harvard's code of conduct after she went on the record as saying that calling for the genocide of Jews "depended upon the context."
She did in some other clip. I don't know why that part isn't included here.
Blacks are the real Jews and everybody who doesn’t accept that is a race traitor
Could you send me the link
@@hippygirlfriend4937just Google the entire hearing and forward to the different times Stefanick questioned them. She did indeed ask that question and Gay skirted the issue. Basically didnt answer.
Yeah, you racist twat. I bet.
Trump's rhetoric calling for a Muslim Ban can also be bullying and harassment. It is also dehumanizing them.
Jesus I saw this earlier but from a different camera angle and had no idea she was smirking.
Can anyone point me towards a link were students are calling for the “g” word at any one of these university’s?
Every single one of those women knew that if they said it was unacceptable they were going to be asked why it was tolerated. And I'm willing to bet that if there had been a call for the elimination of black people on campus, there would never be a "But Muh Context!" argument.
Yes!
my favorite youtube of all time. Elise for president!
President-elect Donald Trump offered New York Rep. Elise Stefanik to be his enforcer as United Nations ambassador.
While the questions at face value, without context and implications, are "easy" to answer, I can very much understand why a public figure would be hesitant to answer considering so many people now conflate being pro-Palestinian with being "antisemitic" or "pro-genocide" when that is simply not true. I think we can agree, most people are against genocide except those hungry for power. But the presidents are probably scared to block themselves in a corner because Ms. Stefanik might later imply that speaking out against Israel is genocidal and then say any student who does should be removed from campus.
Please explain how genocide can be put in context to justify it?
I’m sorry, but if she asked this about Black people or Native Americans rather than Jews, these same people would fall over themselves to be the first to say “yes”. Why the immense and blatant hypocrisy?
@@rudyavila1825 It's free speech. Universities have long had policies that protect a student's right to free speech, as long as it isn't used to intimidate or bully other students. Darling of the right Nick Fuentes for example, who has spoke at Trump events, attended the Unite the Right ally that marched around calling for "one people, one nation" and chanting "Jews will not replace us." He was allowed to keep attending the university.. because free speech is protected, even when abhorrent.
I think the correct reply would be "Yes calling for genocide against Jews is unacceptable and against conduct rules at the university." As long as it is (if not you just leave that part out and you'll have to answer why it's not). If Stefanik then asks if students will be punished for it, then you say you are investigating, which would be true if there were actual calls for genocide on campuses and those people were harassing Jewish students. If the Reps try to define intifada or "River to the sea" as calling for genocide, then you can argue that's not really what those phrases mean and protesting against a foreign country's government is not antisemitic. But if students were threatening Jewish students, they should definitely be punished for that.
Free speech is not for free. It has consequences as we are finding out here. Very expensive consequences.
What's up with that silly smirk on Magill's face? This isn't funny.
It's the correct response to the answer. She's probably baffled by the Jew bought representative's persistent questioning.
@@Anonymous-pm7jf A smirk is the correct answer? To who? Bigots?
Seventeen times she refused to answer honestly!
There is no "honest" answer to loaded questions and fictional accusations.
I'm truly surprised you can count that high
17 times she stood her ground.
Imagine if students were calling for the deaths of the LGBT community or even just speaking out against it.
That’s probably next if these bozo presidents remain anywhere near a school.
I love Elise. She’s my representative, and I’m proud to have voted for her
Ms Stefanik has no idea that she is ignorant?
Say it isn't so!
Of COURSE the context matters! As it does with everything!
No it doesn't. Context would not matter if they were targeting blacks using the n* word. Go back to sipping your soy milk
What's with this obsession of american politicians to fiercely defending the Jewish minority?
Probably because the entire American elite consists of them.
How f-ing hard is it to respond to a question like this? I mean for Gods sake, what if the question was directed at the black or transgender communities?!? I wonder how much “context” would matter if people were calling for their extermination on campus?
Because antisemitic groups give them millions of dollars...These phony presidents can't go against them
Uh... legal matters? No one can make an official statement for a grandstanding politician without consultation from lawyers.
It's hard because Stefanik was intentionally asking a misleading, irrelevant and extremely hypothetical question.
There were no calls for "genocide of Jews" reported on any campus.
There were calls for intifada, an uprising against Israeli Zionist oppression, occupation, colonialism and militarism, and against Israel's legislated Jewish Ascendancy (c.f. Protestant Ascendancy in N. Ireland).
I'm not a US citizen, but I cannot disagree with whoever said Stefanik should be censured for bullying witnesses.
@@jayce8001 the president of a university can absolutely give definitive answers about their code of conduct are you joking?
@@jayce8001 there is no “legal matters” in this situation. you represent a university. if you can’t respond to a question about the code of conduct on the school YOU preside over without “consulting a lawyer” then there is clearly something wrong.
The hearing lasted 5 hours but Elise Stefanik managed to expose them all in 3 min.
Elise M. Stefanik thank you, You are incredible and I applaud you
People are allowed to have horrible opinions. It's an american right. You can hate any kind of person you want, wish them dead, and say it out loud. That isn't harassment. They answered her question. A publicly stated opinion is not the same as harassment. You can be racist and go to college. You can hate gay people and go to college and you can voice that opinion. What you can't do is turn it into action. You cant target individuals. You cant attack them physically. You cant threaten them personally. You cant yell antisemitic slurs in their face. That's direct intimidation.
She's asking a hypothetical question, and they are answering with a written code of conduct that has specific parameters for what constitutes as bullying and harassment. Not liking the answer does not make these women antisemitic. It's not a personal question, it's a question about policy.
this is such a stupid view. You understand it's a fckinnn university right? Students go there to gain knowledge under a safe environment. You can hate people outside as much as you like but actively hating certain races under university premises is one of the fastest ways to increase hate crimes in the US. Also, the question isn't about hating. It clearly says "asking for genocide of Jewish people" essentially meaning killing Jewish people and you believe people can walk around preaching those views on a university. Are you crazy?
@@ariyanbista5837Define exactly what you think it means for someone to "call for the genocide of Jews."
Yeah but "silence is violence" to the same fucking people when it comes to trans, black, Asian, lgbtq+.... what a joke
Are you really saying that if a student publicly calls for the extermination of all coloured people in America, no action should be taken against him?
This isn't opinion. This is policy at a puclucly funded university. This is a betrayal of their mandate. You are a clown.
To me there is a difference between free speech and rhetoric. Calling for the genocide of anyone, is an act, no different than yelling "fire" in a movie theater. Her response of "if the speech turns into conduct, it can be harrassment" before there is any action taken is crazy. As Stefanik said, "Conduct meaning the act of genocide?" Excellent response, and incredible that a university president could be splitting hairs on this.
Well, you'd need to believe that anyone who supports the Palestinian people is for the genocide of Jewish people, which isn't true.
I know. Like speaking in front of a building and using words that rile up people, rile them into a violent frenzy. Then turn loose those people on that building and they do get violent. I totally agree with you. Those people need to held accountable
Your post is embarrassing, as it reveals you have no understanding of the difference between the law and school code of conduct. Hint: one does not need to violate the law in order to violate the code of conduct. Stud you ain't, not intellectually for sure.
@@goodcomrade4231 Mayhaps you read the post wrong? I was not referring to breaking the law by shouting fire, I was using an analogy of using words can do harm, without actually doing anything physically. Yelling fire in a theater will likely cause panic and therefore injuries, just as calling for genocide can erupt into someone being attacked and therefore injured. Why the need for you to lash out; I have no idea.
Shouting fire when there isn't one in a crowded movie theater (or less crowded) is illegal because it directly leads to people getting injured when everyone rushes to get out. Calling for genocide of a people doesn't end in anyone getting hurt unless the person doing it has the power to make it happen. It's bad no matter what, but a random guy on the street saying "Let's kill all the x" to a bunch of random people walking by is not violating any law in the US. If the president of the US said the same thing to a group of followers who then went out and killed a bunch of people, then that would be illegal.
Why is Magill smirking? She’s odious.
Apparently calling for genocide doesn't amount to harassment or intimidation
If you called for the genocide of Arabs or Blacks, Campus Police would throw you off the Campus or put you in jail. Calling for the genocide of Jews on the same campuses would not result in the same outcome.
Stefanik is very angry. She also lied.
Dispicable..no shame
We need more leaders like Elise.
One more thought. You know what's most concerning about this: There are several million voters who will hear sound bites and think that a judge from The Voice was somehow on a panel question university presidents. And they will not give the matter any more thought.
So proud of you Congresswoman. Thank-you for standing up to them. Well done.
why is Ms. Liz Magill smiling???? horrifying
why can't they say yes...appalling!!!!
Elise Stefanik - absolute legend !
She won't have to worry about campaign funding for quite a while !
Mam Stefnik Is Honest............ The 3 Lady On Table Seem Like Corrupt With MONEY
I hope all the contributors to these schools see this and really question what they're funding.
How is asking a loaded question to lead a witness considered good governance? That tactic is not tolerated in court, yet is the goto strategy by both sides in congressional hearings! I hear claims of "Genocide", I just don't see overwhelming evidence. We aren't really getting to heart of any matter from what I can see so far. A college campus is a place to share ideas, and to argue ideologies. But it seems that there are people who are claiming that certain speech means "This or That" instead of people asking for clarification. Personally, I would like to see this whole thing debated properly. Because I honestly think at least 90% of people think that Hamas is a terrorist organization! However, there are some who watch events and realize that the Zionist elites have done a piss poor job of governing their land! There is no reason that Bibi and his government should not have waged war on Hamas from the very start! It should have been priority #1 for the protection of the Jewish people, and the citizens of Israel to wipe out Hamas. The fact that they haven't scares me even more, because Hamas has never since their inception, changed their mission statement!
** I am interested in what you think! **
@@tobybigham4196 The point of the question is to (1) demonstrate the hypocrisy of these institutions and (2) highlight the allowance, no encouragement of anti-Semitism on campuses. Her unstated but clearly implied full statement is that if she were to replace "Jews" with "black people" or "Muslims" the answer from these presidents would have absolutely been different. Let me make it clear, that answer should never be different, no matter what group is targeted. A large part of the country has chosen some protected groups and equity presides over equality. It's a disgusting ideology and the more it's exposed, the more it will fall apart. The problem is that most people aren't paying attention or are happy to placate unless they are directly effected without realizing that eventually they will feel it as well. As a Jew I'm deeply disturbed by the obvious rise in public anti-Semitism and the lack of understanding of history. But I don't think this is about Israel or Jews, it's a wider problem of people with no sense of individualism and no respect for the institutions that provide them with the freedom that they have. The institutions that have provided equality and freedom, the ones that allowed my grandparents to rise from near nothing to success stories, that are currently threatened by these distorted ideals, are what we desperately need to preserve.
@@tobybigham4196Dude, it’s not a loaded question. Those colleges have a code of conduct. Does calling for genocide violate it? If so, what actions have been taken against those that have? Simple, fact based question.
@@handsofthedevil You are assuming someone is guilty with that question. That is why it is loaded. Is there a code of conduct? Yes. Should it be up the college to cancel you because you said something stupid in public. NO. Should the college create a safe place from assault and harassment? Yes. Is it up to the college to prosecute someone for that? THEY ARE NOT LAW ENFORCEMENT!!! But they can escort you off the campus!
If someone does a behavior that is questionable. You give them there day in court to explain it. If they are guilty, we can start moving with consequences. But in this country Comrad. The country I risked my life to defend in the USMC. Everyone is innocent until proven guilty! And the court is there to decide their guilt! Not you!!!!!!
They said Trump dont like tough women.
Asking misleading questions and then demanding that the answer be in Yes or No reply is a very totalitarian way of approaching the concept of free speech.
Sorry, I never realised until today that asking i calling or genocide of Jews breaks university code of conduct rules was a controversial complex question
@@herefordguy 😂I know right? It's as if people still don't realize that language is an artificial construct that CAN be easily manipulated in nearly infinite amounts of ways and that real work starts when we slow down and try to better understand one another rather than sit on top of them from a moral high-ground. Answer yes or no.
@@ecosystemology is calling for the genocide of Jews against the university code of conduct? Yes or no?
If it’s such a hard question why has the principe of Penn stood down with millions of donations being withdrawn?
Are they stupid too?
@@ecosystemologyusually I’d agree but the particular question isn’t really complex. The conflict of course is, but we’re just talking about edgy leftist zoomers who want to participate in a shitty protest
@@ecosystemology What was misleading?
These are the same Republicans who were retweeting Kanye West's anti-Semitic threats. This is just the latest 2 minutes of hate.
I highly respect Rep Elise Stefanik's candor and intelligence, no nonsense!
Unbelievable. Turn the tables and you know the answer. Cowards
This was a trap of a question. Yes, the answer should be a simple yes, but the problem is that people are calling for students to be expelled because they are calling for Palestinian freedom. Palestinian freedom does not mean genocide of Jewish people!
Yes, it was a trap of a question. These women should be smart enough to see this and know to say YES. That's the end of the discussion. Your point of how to interpret and treat other forms of criticism of Israel simply has no relevance to the questioning. These women weren't asked whether those other acts violated their school's code of conduct.
You say yes and then the follow up question of "are you expelling these students" can get into the context weeds of what constitutes actual antisemitism. Like protesting a foreign government doesn't equate to calling for genocide. Even saying that country shouldn't exist doesn't mean you want the people living there killed or displaced.
So their "context" response was better saved for later and they can push back against right wing redefinition of words like intifada, which they should be able to do if they are smart enough to be university presidents.
It does mean genocide if Palestinian freedom means October 7.
@@philipskalla4312 false flag by small hats, open your eyes
Palestinian freedom doesn't mean genocide of jews?
Have you tried asking any palestinians?
Stefanik who said nothing about Trumps association with antisemite Kanye West. Stefanik conflated the word Intafada with genocide and they are not the same. She did this to grandstand Why does no one point this out?
Bravo Elise! 👏👏👏👏
There is still such a thing as freedom of speech in America, even if the expressed idea is abhorrent. Threats and harrassment are not protected by free speech. The expression of an ideology, no matter how vile the ideology, must be protected in a truly free society. I am a proud Jew and despise calls of genocide against Jews, but as long as these calls are expressions of an idea and not threats of violence or acts of harrassment, I still uphold that notion that "I may disagree with what you say, but I'll defend to the death your right to say it."
Threats against freedom of speech from all sides of the political spectrum are terrifying me in America today.
I too am a Jew and agree with you. I am saddened by the 2 bit McCarthyism on display here. Not in my name.
This is also my exact view on the subject.
Thank you for nuance.
Very True. But the question is specifically about university policy, not the definition of the First Amendment.
And simple: Calling for genocide, anytime, anywhere should not be free speech. So my defense of free speech stops at that, and down right lies. Public calls for violence are not nuanced.
I too am a Jew bla bla my comment carries more weight because of it bla bla.
A. It's not about freedom of speech as much as it is about the double standard and how universities nowadays are known for famously putting down free speech when it comes from conservatives and labeling even the smallest things like calling a trans woman a man as hate speech. If universities were at least consistent and said yeah it's ok to call for the genocide of Jews as well as black people or trans people then fine. If free speech is to allow calling for the murder of random civilians no matter who they are, then fine. But somehow it seems only ok if it's Jewish people.
B. It's not actually really fine. I'm all for free speech and allowing mean and offensive things to be said. I think it's critical to allow it. But this is people calling for mass murder of Jews. I don't know why you would defend that, even just as a human. They're calling for you and me to be killed, and you can't speak for yourself but don't expect me to just go along with people wanting to kill me
Job well done!
"Ok, everyone -- I am opening the floor for perspectives on this topic, and I will not argue or complain, however unusual the responses may be. So, here is my view: the context is almost always integral, as it is here. Can we agree that genocide is morally abhorrent?
If you sense an implicit trap in my question, perhaps that indicates an unwillingness to directly address the issue. A straightforward, thoughtful response places a burden of responsibility on the person asking the question, does it not? It's not about attacking anyone's character or motives - it's about having an open and honest dialogue. Does that seem reasonable?
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This is disturbing, they can't say calling for genocide is a harassment
They can, but they don't want to. Notice the smirks.
For all those saying, "the constitution protects free speech", no one in the video was contesting the students' constitutional rights. This was about whether the students' actions should be considered harassment/bullying under the code of conduct of these universities.
Not the job of congres to oversee that. That would be actually violating the first amendment.
And they attempted to explain the difference between speech and conduct. But they were effectively shouted down by an idiot.
Hate Speech is what it was, plain and simple.
@@jayce8001 no it actually is not when they were asked to investigate the matter by jewish students. When a university creates and uses a code of conduct yet blatantly disregards it when it comes to one thing, it can absolutely be investigated under discrimination of a protected class such as religion or race. They are not charging students for this speech, they are holding a university accountable to not enforcing a clear policy when it comes to jewish students who are being harassed and bullied. Again, I will sum this up for you. The speech itself is not under question by the government. It is the choice by Universities to ignore/allow a clear call to action of genocide against a protected class and their choices to invite speakers who use this language on campuses that get tax dollar funding. Please do some research and throw your biases out the window when making comments. It is clear you currently cant do that.
@@jayce8001 btw, I am myself a member of the green party and super liberal. I just able to be unbiased and look at a situation based on facts. which you are short of.
Complex answers for simple questions. As a Jewish American, Elise Stefanik is a hero to me.
Talk about a bully.
The gentle lady needs to get a grip.
Performance politics by the GOP
Thanks for giving me the raw feed C-SPAN. Take my energy
Colleges are so fucked up right now. Talk about groupthink.
Harvard Political Review..Barack Obama is a War Criminal
Soon enough they will implements the two minutes hate, with a photo of Donald.