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- How do you imitate a beloved taste? The answer could lie in the world of meat substitutes. Climate researchers warn that meat consumption is one of the main causes of the climate crisis. So people around the world are researching convincing alternatives.
Even if we stopped driving cars and flying tomorrow, we can no longer meet the 1.5-degree target -- unless we also radically change our diets. Cynthia Rosenzweig, a climate impact researcher at NASA, lays out with impressive clarity why we can't continue consuming meat the way we have been.
An ever-increasing proportion of the population describes itself as ‘flexitarian’. But many people can't imagine giving up meat without some kind of replacement. So it’s no wonder the market for meat alternatives is growing rapidly. "The Great Meat Debate" takes a look behind the scenes of this industry. Traditional meat producers like Rügenwalder Mühle have entered the booming meat-alternative business with plant-based alternatives. Companies like Impossible Foods in Silicon Valley and the Israeli start-up Future Meat use high-tech resources -- and hundreds of millions of dollars in investments -- to produce real meat in the lab.
This documentary looks at questions like: What do you have to look out for if you want to authentically imitate a taste? Why would no one buy a schnitzel that is brown on the inside? Optimists have their say, as do skeptics.
'The Great Meat Debate' Playlist (5-Part Series): • The Great Meat Debate ...
Part 1: Factory farming, animal welfare and the future of modern agriculture - • Factory farming, anima...
Part 2: Do we need to eat meat? - • Do we need to eat meat...
Part 3: Ethics and meat consumption - • Ethics and meat consum...
Part 4: The world of meat substitutes - • The world of meat subs...
Part 5: A vegan lifestyle: Is it the future? - [Coming soon]
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the problem with avocados was not primarily the transportation, but the water usage and that big companies use up the water of local habitants.
Not to mention the mafia behind the production
You can by avocados grown in California that are specifically manufactured using rain water.
We also need to be aware that avocados are one of the worlds worst environmentally plants and uses about 1300 liters of water per kg.
But the worst plant still uses less than half of the water per kg compared to beef, which uses about 3700 liters per kg.
Most people also usually don't eat avocados every day, but very many people eat cow every day.
@@gudnikristinn what are you on about? who the hell eats cow every day? most people cant afford beef meat even once a week.
@@gudnikristinn 1 person does not eat 1 cow per day....
@@NoctLightCloud In the USA its about 38kg per person, per year. That is a lot. I am guessing its mostly in the form of burgers and processed foods.
Some years ago now, there was made a documantary about lab grown meat.
By far the biggest issue was not concerning a sterile work enviroment, but how they needed to find a substitute for amniotic fluids (which is the liquid they use to grown the stemcells for the lab beef).
A scientist in the documentary said "that they were not able to crack the code on how to replace the amniotic fluids, which they got from killing thousands of cow fetuses."
A paper released in 2022 from Chung-Ang University concluded that:
"Our review reveals that not only is there still a lack of research on the ingredients of FBS, but the reasons for fully replacing FBS being problematic are not yet adequately identified."´
Which means that the 2 million+ cow fetuses used a year will probably continue for a while longer.
In the grand scheme of things, 2 million cows mean nothing. But in a video talking about meat alternatives, I think that it is an important fact to disclose for the viewer, that lab grown meat still relies on killing cows to manifacture beef. And it makes it feel like you are sugar coating it, which I doubt you are and it might just be because of video length.
I appriciate the video nonetheless.
I don't know if I am allowed to post the link to the research paper, but the name of it is:
Review of the Current Research on Fetal Bovine Serum and the Development of Cultured Meat
lab grown "meat" is basically cancerous muscle tissue.
I was waiting for the segment to cover stem cells and the usual controversy around those. They just skipped over the whole thing. Maybe it was edited for being too technical.
Yes, the paper you cite has a brief synopsis, but I’m not paying to download their garbage which is slanted. It’s absolutely possible to make serum-less lab grown meat. Mosa meats is proving it
Thanks for adding to the cleverly veiled rightwing anti-climate change hysteria though… too bad it’s not gonna work 👍
@@seitanbeatsyourmeat666
Okay hello,
First off, I do not understand why you need to be rude, I am not an expert in this.
I watched a documentary long ago, looked up if it was still being used and it was. I then wrote a comment that if DW wants to talk about meat alternatives then they should disclose that the meat alternative is using FBS.
Secondly, thank you for making me read ANOTHER bio-chemistry reseach paper...Kind of feel like that should have been your job but here it is.
Paper:
Simple and effective serum-free medium for sustained expansion of bovine satellite cells for cell cultured meat
You are correct, there are a lot of advancements in the synthetic FBS, so much so that the short term cell growth can be 25% better than a solution of the standard 20% FBS, while also being cheaper.
The reseach paper also talks about how it is standard to use FBS since previous results were also achived using FBS, and it is easier to continue using FBS than to redo all the experiments with synthetic FBS.
I still don't understand why the industry needs 800,000L of FBS a year if synthetic FBS is better and cheaper, but hopefully studies will gradually start using synthetic FBS as more studies end and new ones start.
Wtf that much killing to obtain something for greater good, lol that's impossible. I never knew, actually mfks never showed anywhere about this... I am never gonna eat that piece of shit even if it's a success. It's like getting served your food by a murderer..
Cost of a cow in India is far less than that of any other country, its because here we don't it rather drink the milk and keep it like a pet (like a dog (which is also eaten in Nagaland 😂)). Incredible India 🇮🇳
if you showed the full slaughterhouse process to a person, and then the full lab-based meat process to a person, and then offered them whichever they'd prefer, I wonder which they'd choose.
I think people who want to eat meat should kill it and prepare it themselves. Idealistic agreed but that should be the standard if one wants to continue one’s carnivorous ways.
I like my meat a little bloody
People choose the cheapest most tasty they can afford.
In my country meat substitutes are often the same price, and sometimes even more expensive than meat. I feel ripped of eating a overly expensive veggie burger...
i choose the full slaughterhouse, the full lab-based meat process contains a lot of chemicals
I would eat meat regardless of what video I was shown. Humans have been eating meat for millions of years.
Using animals to get our meat is "one of the most inefficient technologies that we have." There's a line of reasoning that needs more exposure.
It's like saying using lakes to get our water is less efficient than using particle fusion to form hydrogen and oxygen and combining them in a cryonics process to form water. Makes absolutely not a fuckbit of sense.
It is explained just a few seconds later at 6:03: we could use a fraction of the land we use to feed animals for our consumption if we just used the land to feed ourselves directly.
I would never eat this nasty goop. This is something I could see a poor quality 90’s movie making a villain plait about eating meat grown in a lab
@@miguel5785 that’s not how it works tho realistically if you look at a lot of the forests cut down it’s for the new fad fruit or veg that will then be imported. There are plenty of alternatives like natural farming with a mix of animals roaming a portion of land to eat the weeds and little sprouts to help minimise wild fire and give the trees the room to grow. And helping the ecosystem by doing there part there fecal matter being food for insects instead of in farms when it’s left to slurry and often flushed to rivers. There are a lot of ways to do this better it’s not just about short cuts they never work in the long run
You are right!
So I’m going to throw out a radical idea… factory farming is the issue here. So I propose we get back to various small regenerative farming practices. Where everyone has something to offer their community while also creating biodiversity and living with nature.
But corporations don't want that, because they wouldn't get gazillions of money! 😜
There's already a lack of land in the world at the moment to do it the brute force way, so there's no way to do it sustainably either because you'd need tons of land to supplement the emissions and it doesn't exist. The only answer is eating less meat in general, then the remainder can be done sustainably more easily.
@@maurits150 look at the map of human settlements & other lands and tell me, where is the lack of land there?
The fact ppl cluster in the cities doesn't mean there's any lack of land~
@@BLAQFiniks
There is not enough land to farm sustainably.
Literally half of all habitable land is used for agriculture. Sustainable farming requires 40% more land usage. This would mean we have to cut down almost all our forests to get that last bit of viable land and kill even more wildlife.
Just go on google maps and look for light green and dark green land.
Literally all the light green stuff is farms, zoom in on it! It's completely insane!
And 75% of that is for meat farming which is a stupid luxury. We destroyed the biodiversity of 37% of all habitable land just for burgers.
@@maurits150 Meat is far more healthy for you than plants. Nutrients in plants area difficult to absorb. Our bodies evolved to live on a primarily meat-based diet. Hence why everyone is massively overweight due to carb consumption.
This video is riddled with mistakes.
It takes 15g of plants to 1g of pork. Except you didn't measure it from a nutritional standpoint, meaning that 1g of pork may contain more micronutrients than 15g of veggies. There is a reason why it takes that ratio and its not because pigs are inefficient.
You also don't account for bioavailability, as you described humans aren't meant to digest that much plants because of cellulose and you will likely need to overcompensate to get the same protein and micronutrients.
You also don't account for human food waste as well as large farming and the impact that has on emissions. Large farms use multiple tactics including all day force feeding and feeds that are high on grains and legumes, making emissions higher. Human food waste is about 50% meaning we could reduce our meat consumption drastically if we didn't waste so much.
There is a crusade on meat and its paid for by the food industry. If it was up to them, you would eat "engineered meat" and lose your ability to farm and raise your own cattle.
Does anyone measure the impact of the chemicals used to make this amazing vegan meats or are you just looking at it in grams?
I had to stop watching this documentary because of the misinformation in the statistics you provide.
You misheared that. It is stated that "it takes 15 calories of plants to grow 1 calorie of pork". That is exactly what happens and is quite logic if you think it through.
An animal needs to eat and drink to grow but it also has energy expenditure to live. It has to move, heat its body and all the organs need to work. The longer it needs to grow the more energy is "wasted" and thats why chicken are generally less CO2 intense than pigs and kettle is by far the most CO2 intense because it needs to grow over several months to get "harvested" for its meat.
You are totally right that we do waste lots of food but that is an argument against meat as well because if you waste 1calorie of pork you actually waste 15 calories of plants.
The "crusade" you are talking about seems like a very strange argument because the meat and dairy industry is one of the largest and strongest industries there is and the "vegan industry" is by far weaker. The thing is that pretty much all scientific literature available tells you the same thing - exactly what is said in this documentary. Of course there are some studies telling you its good to eat meat from an environmental point of view but their independent opinion is inflicted because of payments from the meat and dairy industry.
I am 100% on your side though with the statement that we shouldn't substitute meat with vegan meat but rather should eat more vegetable and so on because it surely is healthier for us.
For us in Namibia, cattle, sheep and goat farming if vital for the economy. We are not able to produce crops on these huge pieces of land due to a lack of sufficient water for crop production and very little rain in most of the country. These animals are raised humanely, feeding on natural shrubs and grass, while resulting in labour opportunities and food security.
Correct. We have to stop these crazy people now... BEFORE THEY starve people. And make them their slaves.
Africa 🙏
Stand strong
Protect your habitat
Greetings on your surviving COVID “despite” not getting “vaccines”.
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Good for you. Healthiest diet in the world is meat, eggs, dairy and fruit. Vegetables are bs. See Paul Saladino.
Why not show the world of flesh production? Dominion (2018) 👈
@@ArtU4All AMEN sister friend. Amen... The people will stand up.
The fake meat is ultra processed. We are told by nutritionists to avoid processed foods. I am mostly vegetarian; i eat fish on occasion. And once in awhile I am in the mood for a burger. Otherwise, "fake" meat is not a healthy option and should be avoided. If you want to reduce your meat consumption, eat other forms of protein (beans, tofu). These are a much better alternative.
I very rarely eat steak maybe once every 1-2 months, mostly have chicken since the pandemic haven't been abroad for 3 years but these people want us all to keep us all confined at home and order everything off Amazon. I'm all for less food wastage this should come from early education to teach people to conserve more.
Now they don't want us to eat fish!
Once i tested a burger with ´meat´done with a blend of 95% lentils and 5% seasoning in my kitchen. Looked just like meat and I swear that it tasted 90% like minced beef and I couldent tell the differnce in texture or chewiness. I was so impressed. It actually was _better_ tasting
@@Funkywallot I tried some plant meat recipes, using lentils, chickpeas and tofu. I actually prefer the tofu one but unfortunately I am intolerant to it. Very sad.
@@Funkywallot That's awesome!
I was just going to mention lentils. Good source of protein, cheap and easy to make (made a week's worth just yesterday).
👍
Bill Gates is the largest farmland individual owner in the USA.
A Chinese company is buying farmland in USA in an exponential rate.
Bill Gates refuted a certain study that synthetic meat is carcinogenic.
Why eat meat made to multiply in a lab in an insane rate?
You could eat someone else's tumor and nothing would happen. Cancer isn't contagious.
Also no doubt there is cancer in meat sometimes, or you do think each cow gets a chemo before slaughter?
Meat by itself is carcinogenic so I don't see why lab grown meat wouldn't be.
we should also consider about the longterm effects on the human body, also we need to measure the absorption level and the quality of the protein produced in this way. Lets not forget that we deviate from nature in this way. Food is not also about taste, looks and smell, its about health and longevity
I agree. But I wish the same level of investigation would have been carried out by Pfizer for their so called 'vaccine'.
And how do you produce the nutrients to feed the cell cultures?
Just a bunch of chemicals. Ya know. the same chemicals that our farmers arn't allowed to use anymore to create efficient, safe and caloric dense fields of foods that allow starving poor places in the world to survive in nutrient lacked regions. Its not a secret anymore... It never has been. these ppl want us to die. they want the population of humans on earth to decline. Environmentalist always have and still protest nuclear power plants. If the world went nuclear 'like how France and japan have/did' decades ago then quite literally every energy and pollution problem we have would be solved.
Well, have you seen Soylent Green?
Science baby
@@LLLemi Dah...
But where does the feed come from?
I guess it doesn't come out of thin air, so the feeds must have a considerable environmental print too.
@@FaustobellissimoSsshhh. You're not supposed to show signs of thought.
You can bet the rich will not be giving up access to any food groups.
I won't give up meat or fish and I'm poor.
We are screwed . We have to be complete fools to believe we can fix this problem . We can barely take care of each other .
I think it’s nutty that I have to suffer for what corporations have done to this world. It shouldn’t be on me to adjust my habbits to reduce my less than 1% of greenhouse emissions when the biggest corporations are responsible for 70% of our emissions.
I thought the problem with Avocado is water consumption.
It is. That's one of the problems anyway.
They forgot something, cells need calories to grow or to continuously divide. What are they feeding them?
Abortion cells...lets hope non human
I wonder what all those politicians eat that they preach.
Back in the 80s I ate lunch at a buffet in a resorty unpretentious type of place with good-stinky-water springs (sulfur). The food was delicious. Everything was there - all groups of food.
Only later did i learn, that what I thought was meat, in fact was tofu texturized like meat and soaked in whatever soy sauce they used to make it brown. Turns out the place was owned by people from India whose religion precluded meat eating.
I realize now, that chef was a miracle worker.
Soy-based "meat" is probably the best tasting texture wise for those of us who like meat. There is seitan (gluten) based meats but not an option for people with a gluten intolerance/celiac's.
Tofu not match to most vegetables, do you know about stones in the kidney?
I see it this way - for some stupid reason we have tried to substitute sugar with sweetener. Look where it took us. Now, we are trying to invent vegetable "meat" by messing around with DNA of the plant... for me it is dead simple - if sugar is bad, I do not use it. Simple. I have been avoiding sugar for some time now, and I am perfectly happy with drinking water only. Occassional (twice a year) pint of coke, and water during the day, tea for breakfast/lunch. Now, if we think that what saves our planet is stop eating meat, I do have a small problem with this idea, as I believe we have been "designed" to feed on plants and meat. So whereas I would not like to giveup meat at all, I have no problem with reducing meat in my diet. And I have been doing this for some time now as well. But I do not, I repeat - I DO NOT want to eat some heavily messed up food made of god knows what. If I want plant, I want them pure, not processed in any way. We did not need tabacoo, alcohol, and many other things in our lives but where told they are good for us. And this is the result.
What are the chances that old lady is a vegetarian? That's why they say cattle are dangerous for the environment
I want to know how long she's been one, because her parents ate meat, or she wouldn't be here.
Vegetarians are fine, it's vegans that are crazy. Besides, that lady is creepy (ppl don't smile perpetually) like everyone from woke crowd lol
@@pepper419 Her parents didn't live on a world 8 billion freaking people so back then it wasn't really a problem to farm animals because factory farming didn't exist.
Also in the past meat was a specialty food and not something you'd eat daily.
I'm more inlined to believe she's a vegan and a Seventh-Day-Adventist. Her religion has turned her. It's not a good reason to distroy your health. A lot of them are leaving the church because of this.
👎🏽Leave the meat 🥩 alone! What’s the point in making fake, highly processed meat when we can eat natural meat with all of its natural benefits. Stop cutting down trees, decrease manufacturing non food products that pollute, take less flights, drive less, etc. For those who don’t want to eat meat, just don’t eat it and leave the meat alone. The vegetables aren’t perfect either, even if they are labeled “organic”. Some of them are still polluted with chemicals and GMO. Have y’all ever thought about the pollution from the factories that produce fake meat with all the chemicals being used? Leave the meat 🥩 and fish 🐟 alone! There are other ways to decrease pollution.
They want us to believe that cows are more harmful than car manufacturing, oil industry, plants and heavy machinery production...
Why does Google keep removing comments? We have the right.
We don't need factories to make our food. It's killing enough of us already.
Meat Is The WORSE Thing For The Environment, Even If We Did All You Say, The World Will Still End Unless We Stop Killing Animals And Eating Meat.
I'd rather pay $50 a pound for real meat then eat fake meat even if it was free.
Amen! Cheers to meat 🥩!
In the USA, there has been a lot of effort to switch over to meat alternatives but it's very hard to compete with animal meat on price because of how much money goes into subsidizing steps of the meat industry, like in producing the cattle feed crops. It's kind of insane how the ingredients for a salad can cost more than a serving of ground beef when you consider the resources that went into producing each, but it's because of the unequal government funding going into each industry.
It's not because of subsidies, it's because vegans buy processed crap instead of food. That's where the real profit margins are.
This is such an important conversation to be had!
Living in the Netherlands, we have the same here. It doesn't make the meat cheaper than vegetables or legumes but it makes a considerate impact. Even organic meats (which are often not eligible) are twice or 3 times as expensive, which isn't too unaffordable and it shows how subsidies don't always do a lot.
All those prime ministers and presidents and ambassadors talk verry nice🙂. But hust imagine for a moment their pre-written speech on paper gets lost or stolen or disappear or demolished while reading😂
Isnt food production a smaller polluter compared to industry and transportation?
Silence! You cannot ruin their propaganda with common sense
no 0:49
Worldwide rice production alone creates more green house gas emissions vehicles, so no!
@@lorezampadeferro8641 lol 😂😂
Yes. Let's find solutions for both!
What about the health issues with substitutes? Most have to add tons of salt just to make up for lack of taste..
Without chemical 'taste enhancers' burgers would taste like cardboard soaked in chlorinated tap water. Nobody would stick that stuff into their own mouth.
@@takuan650 because MacDuck is made from very real meat 😂
Jesse - do you think meat is actually _red_ ? I wonder about the colourization & it's health consequences; just to point out a substitute that is used to make animal-flesh closer to our conception of bloodied meat.
19:40 this lady is literally describing an incremental system applied to stop us from doing what made us successful
people want all natural veggies without over use of pesticides/chemicals to grow them, but want chemically grown burgers. 🤦♂
I dont get it too
@@lovewins4681 pesticides are toxic too humans
i'll quit meat but i won't touch fake meat
Where is B12 in that meat?
Why not show the world of flesh production? Dominion (2018) 👈
Fake meat it's not bad, we put a lot more terrible stuff in our bodies. People smoke for 60 years and some are fine. Our body can easily handle some mashed processed plants with aromas. But it's always best to have variety and eat whole grains, lentils, beans, cereals and vegetables but some fake meats from time to time won't do anything bad to you. As for b12 there are some vitamins, chewable, small pills with ex strawberry taste, from 'now foods' or other chewables, it's just a sweet pill every few days. B12 gets stored in the liver and you have reserves for a long time, there is no need to worry about them but do take the pill every few days just to not be low on it.
@@catalina5382 You're overconfident. You have no idea about the chronic toxicity of additives required by or of residues leftover from the processing. Let alone the product of their degradation resulting from the cooking. We have adapted (liver : cytochromes, biotransformation, conjugation, lymphatic system, kidneys), through hundreds of thousands of years to deal with real meat toxic compounds. We haven't had the opportunity to do so for all the new different synthetic meat compounds. Eat the new stuff if you please. We're watching.
Where does the energy come from to keep his machines going?
I have not heard of any world leader giving up eating meat - lead by example
Does Gandhi count? How about 9.3 million people in Germany or the estimated one billion people who are already vegetarian? That's leading by example - not waiting for a temporary head of state or celebrity to inspire you.
As if you'd actually do anything based on someone setting an example for you. 🙄
@@TheStockwell he's dead, and wasn't that a religious choice. World leaders, on all their jollies, jetting round the world, let's see every one of them eating only mock meat.
I doubt we'd hear much more about it, it tastes so bad
@DW News
Please make a documentary about how many emissions come from the military industrial complex in military exercises and wars.
So they think replacing protein with a carb is good. Carbs are sugar to the body. I tried carbs and ended up with high blood sugar. Went back to protein and all my blood work is normal again..
They know how to decrease human population...
You can just eat plant protein, which is healthier. Thank me later.
You can literally be keto and vegan at the same time lol
Who replacing it with a carb? Most meat substitutes are either made from soy, pea protein or gluten. Theyre all high protein and low carb.
Being vegan in Nigeria is difficult and expensive for me.
It's mostly not Nigeria runing the climate, it's richer countries. For your health it's surely okay to eat animal products once or twice a week. If it's for your footprint, compare the problem a child is causing in Nigeria vs in Germany, where I am: one German kid produces eight times more waste, CO² and needs more resources than a kid anywhere in Africa. If we all worked together and got childfree, we would do better in preserving the planet.
We can collect these gases and use them for cooking or producing electricity. It happens on many farms.
I already did my share I didn’t reproduce now give me my steak I deserve it
not making babies so you can eat murdered babies doesn’t make any sense
Meat substitution is nothing but a business opportunity and DW took the marketing portion... Brilliant!
I am impressed with the Impossible products. I even had one on a burger at Burger King. It was really good. Been a vegetarian for about 6 years. I was a pescatarian for many years before. The inhumane treatment of farm animals, factory farming, was the reason. It's not as hard as you think.
Its unhealthy, fake meat
🤣 impossible burger at burger king and was really good. 😆 🤣 😂
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I tried it too. Going down it tasted good, but then there was a bitter aftertaste. I’ll stick with real meat 🥩.
I am not eating anything that is man made, I'll trust mother nature to provide, it's shocking how you can even trust these people. The same people that gave you disease food and diabetes, cancer, etc.
So now animals have to be blamed for our own destruction of the planet wow humans 😂😂😂😂
Animal *exploitation* is the problem, not animals.
@@camipers and forest and land exploitation. Exploitation of natural resources
Do you understand the difference between Animal and Animal exploitation?
Please go vegan.
It's science not speculation
I agree
Not sure why you included that skeptic DW. That journalist hasn't heard of the word: SCALE. Economies of scale will make this new tech far far cheaper. We don't have a choice. We NEED to research this tech.
Do we have any long term studies on the effects of these foods on the human body over time?
Look up "the China study"
Anyone want to mention how mass agricultural practices are draining natural lakes, rivers and water sources leaving whole regions of the world now barren.
Id be more willing to buy meat substitutes if they weren't more expensive than the actual meat item.
They definitely will be in the future. It would be a big help if the massive subsidizing of the meat industry would be channeled into meat substitutes tho.
Try legumes, great nutritional value, endless combinations for your dishes, and cheap!
What is needed is subsidies for plant based alternatives and cultured meat.
Animal agriculture is subsidized in many countries, which is why environmentally friendly alternatives can't compete with the price.
That intro was the best quality DW has ever made imo.
People that tell you not to fly, always fly a lot themselves!
Because they are lying
😂😂😂
Like people who are too concerned with emissions often drive cars and trucks. Like the bald dude on the video
More than meat food wastage is problem. More than 50% food is wasted in logistics related hurdles, storage and lack of analytical data on demand to produce accurate amount of supply.
Ok, now that's something new. I didn't know that we waste so much meat.
Why not show the world of flesh production? Dominion (2018) 👈
@@subliminalfalllenangel2108 bro here in Canada we waste food like crazy
@@VeganSemihCyprus33 seconded
I once watched a vid about pizzeria on wheels that calculates how much demand they'd have every day & produce accordingly. That use of AI is great for all my dislike of AI.
Amazing that Tyson Foods became a sponsor! Hope one day we really do not need to eat meat anymore and there will be better substitutes!
It's the machines and thousands of acres they service for seed farming that have raised the temperature of the planet. They've removed the animals from the land and tuned the land into desert. The animals made the soil in the first place. You're removing trees to use those massive machines that can't go round them.
huh? What are you talking about? crops kill the land and animals fixing it? Evidence please
It’s called regenerative farming. Look it up.
@@psytcp History. Remember? Millions of years of it.
How much energy did it cost to build that lab and all equipment? How much energy does it cost to run on a daily basis? How much energy does it consume to get rid of all the waste produced to do these exercises?
Basic thinking
İ appreciate the job of this documentary creator but fake is fake ... Thanks me i never buy processed meat products.
I can't ever feel full without meat in my diet...
It's all I eat, and fish. It's good. It's the best.
@@toni4729 well, I live in 3rd world country... I wont expect the artificial meat lab to be here any sooner. Maybe not in my generation...
I love soylent green, it taste so good!
29:47 He is wrong. Take a look at Intel facilities or TI chip production. Having worked for both I can tell you we where able to maintain cleanliness levels in excess of hospitals or even pharmaceutical production on a grander scale.
I was thinking the same thing. The biotech industry wouldn't be feasible if they couldn't keep their facilities production sterile. That is why his argument is nonsense because the cleanliness at scale already exists in the food and biotech scene. If a microbrewery can do large-scale fermentation without contamination, then I think these companies can do it too, lol!
Are these " so-called" leaders for real?
Yes... And very dangerous. Gates and WEF want to poison the Global population.
no, just empty words to get votes
Why not show the world of flesh production? Dominion (2018) 👈
Have to keep the climate hysteria going.
Despite what Joe Fassler claims, induced pluripotent stem cells aren't old and they haven't been extensively used in pharma to this day. He also seems to entirely forget that most technological breakthroughs, like computers, wireless communications, 3D printing and electric vehicles started as ridiculously expensive and small-scale.
Soylent green is people.
Maybe it's crazy to think that we need 8 billion people for the species to survive.
We could actually feed 12 billion people if we used the land used for feeding cattle to feed the global population.
Unfortunately humans are too greedy and selfish to share things equally
But if we go about an efficient way of doing this, AKA depopulate the least productive & most troublesome groups of people....suddenly its racist & evil.
I’m curious where the numbers came from for your study on green house gas production for animals vs vegetables. Could you cite a reference? I didn’t see any in your description or your website
total fabrication
So the secret reason behind all this sudden care and concern for animals got unfolded here with drum beats
I eat McDonald’s so there’s no difference
The world consumed 130 billion pounds of beef in 2020. The United States accounted for roughly 21% of the beef consumed in the world in 2020. (1 pound = 0.453592 Kilogram) [Beef2Live] 20:20
My condolences
that’s murdered babg animals
curious about the lab-grown meat. if you have the meat produce itself thru cell division and growth. any concerns that could cause cancer. just thinking. he said infinitely divide.
It can't grow on air. What is it going to feed on? Are we going to end up with factories instead of fields? No thanks.
This is the second, high-biased documentary I've seen from DW recently. The world's fish populations could not handle the increased fishing from switching to a primarily fish-based protein diet, many lands in the western US are not suited to grow food crops, and livestock are the economic engine for many rural areas.
I agree on that they should not promote eating seafood but did you miss the whole point that the vast majority of our crops currently go to meat and dairy industries? Nearly 80% of soy alone goes to animal agriculture. Economies are constantly changing and simply not wanting to change into a different type of an industry is not a good excuse to keep destroying the planet for every single being on earth. What used to be a vital source of living for some in the past is now something completely different with technological innovations: the way we communicate has changed drastically for example.
They bought and paid for by WEF klaus schwabby
While some areas may have limited agricultural potential, advancements in farming techniques and technology have made it possible to grow crops in regions that were previously unsuitable. Think vertical farming, mushrooms vertical farms, hydroponics, mycelium, and algae which are crazy sustainable and healthy and some grow 2 meters per day, you can make burgers and sausages from them or mix like 25% of it in plant-based foods and then you would have a very nutritious sustainable food. In addition, a shift towards a plant-based diet would require less land than animal agriculture, as animals require large amounts of land for grazing and feed production. Therefore, a transition to plant-based agriculture could free up land for food production and reduce pressure on our agricultural system. You think of the system as it is now but we could use only 25% of our current agricultural land and still feed the world. Combine this with people growing some of their own food if they have the possibility or tackling food waste and there you have it. Western countries would have 0 issues in growing their own food and meeting their needs even more probably
But yes, fuck the part with fish, the oceans are dying and are suffocating in ghosts nets, It took us 50 years to kill almost 80% of what nature preserved in millions of years
Your eyes and ears were also biased because you didn't read all the facts they say
Interesting documentary. I recently watched a Jake Tran video about how plant based meat is a scam. It's hard to get passed bias from both sides but it is better to be informed on all sides before making a decision about diet and health.
Why not show the world of flesh production? Dominion (2018) 👈
I feel like the current promotion of “beyond meat” and products like it are what vaping is for cigarettes. If you’re already eating meat it’s a better alternative but still not as good as obtaining altogether.
@@smonda02exactly this. Fake meat is better for the person and the planet than meat. But still not that great.
Is it better to have a plant based diet with occasional meat/dairy/eggs. It's all about balance and less consumption. Fake meat should be categorised as highly processed fast food, not a real substitute for meat protein. I rarely eat beef, occasionally eat chicken, much prefer local fish (of low mercury), tofu, beans and eggs for my protein needs. It's also cheaper for my wallet.
Just go vegan and leave it out. No one's forcing you to eat it, and no vegan ever said they're healthy (in fact, vegans who only eat processed food are ridiculed with nicknames). You can't consume animal products today without ruining the planet.
If this is part 4 where do I find part 1-3?
look in description
Great doco! Thx
If only we maintained a global population of 1 billion, we won't have problems like this!
Ah the true agenda of the left, UN, WEF, Globalists a massive depopulation of the planet by ANY MEANS possible. As far back as the late 1950s I've heard from the death loving left that the earth can only sustain 350 to 500 million people so your number is not far from that.
Honestly, the more I learn about climate change, the more I think this too. Idk why people are so worried about population decline, its honestly the best thing that could happen to us imo.
Fassler mentions meat culture, but not precision fermentation. PF is more likely to be scalable.
How much of a carbon footprint is there for Tesla?
Mining for every single piece of material, component and alloy used to produce the vehicles. How about the pollution from lithium mining and production. How about the hundreds of thousands in cobalt mining and their health.
Solar panels cost more to produce than we do for recycling those panels after their shelflife. It costs more to break apart every component in a solar panel than they do for those individual parts, solar panels are not economically viable.
In the 70s Margaret Thatcher said the planet had ten years due to global warming, Ronald Reagan stated five years left, Bill Clinton said ten years.
Politicians have literally been selling those lies for decades.
Processed meats have chemicals in them. Look at sausages and it's chemicals to preserve them for a time. What will those companies be putting in products, binding agents and so on.
What else they insist in pumping into our bodies will cause cancer.
The so called powers that be saying cows that fart are a major cause towards global warming. Those same people stated that humans are the same problem. Hence Bill Gates and his eugenics statements and agendas. Look at Bill Gates family and their agendas
Gates owns the largest amount of farmlands in US... extremely NOT suspicious 😂
Well damn, looks like I can't loose 20kg of weight in one hour and it needs consistent development and work and improvement and things don't always have a perfect solution... welp time to call all weight loss a scam. Think about all those hundreds of thousands of poor fat cells.
Well damn, looks like solar panels cost more energy to produce/recycle than they produce in their lifetime. Why do they put all that energy into making those things if we could just use that energy directly? What a waste! If only solar panels were 1% efficient, so you could use solar panel energy to mine and product new solar panels. We'd have a freaking infinite solar energy cheat!
Well damn, looks like global warming is a thing that just ends the world suddenly. Like, now we're fine and next minute the planet is so hot all our oceans boil away. If only we didn't learn that oceans can absorb tons of carbon emissions and acidify in the process. Damn corals are dying for no reason.
I’d like to see more on using animal waste to make fuel to reaplace normal gas and electric and using the waste to fuel cars , there has already been someone who successfully made a car adjusted to run on human fecies, would save the environment from our bi products and the lack of a need for the oil plants at the same time
20:42 is exactly how zombie apocalypse begins.
Is that Succession theme song in the background?
A good documentary, but whether the cell stems are extracted or artificially fabricated is entirely left out, which is crucial for consumers to know to form an ethical perspective of the recreation of meat.
This should not be enforced on people! People are free to make their own decision
Are they? If i poision your water am i free to do that?
Meat will never cease to exist, and they won’t “force” anything on you, this is about REDUCING meat consumption so EVERYONE can live in a more habitable planet
It isn't being "enforced" on people. It's an option, get it?
Spoiler alert: nobody is being "enforced" to eat tofu, have an abortion, have gay sex, support Ukraine, or watch Disney films. 😐
What about the real victims, the animals? Why not show the world of flesh production? Dominion (2018) 👈
People are stupid, people don't usually make the best decision for themselves, the planet is dying and we are burning with it. People should understand the consequences of their choices and act accordingly but it's not happening so until then, some sort of coercion should exist if you don't us to have a hard life on a burning planet.
Is Soylent Green (1973 movie) the future?
As an absolute meat lover, Impossible Meats are actually not too bad. I would gladly consider trading out about 75% of my beef consumption with Impossible Beef. There are some things that can not at this time be repaced, like a good thick medium rare ribeye cut. BUT, I could easily make tacos, spaghetti, hamburgers, etc with ground beef from impossible meats. I just can't justify paying more money for non-bovine beef products, when in a meal, they essentially taste the same. The price will have to come down to a competing level of the real thing for it to make a difference.
The justification is a planet that humans and other animals can live on in the future. We are heading very fast to unstoppable climate change if drastic changes to our diet and other ways of life do not happen soon.
Why would you go for something like that when you can have the real thing all the time. Would you really prefer factories instead of fields?
@@toni4729 I only eat the real thing, ive only tried a few impossible things at fast food places. I am assuming you either did not read my entire comment, or lack comprehensive reading abilities.
@@toni4729 ans also, I'm not sure about your "factory instead of fields" comment, we see discussing impossible meats which are plant based, so im theory I would imagine there needs to be MORE fields than there are now with the plants that are needed. So, your comment is at minimum, senseless. Now, if you mean the new meat growing method going on in California, I am out. Why would anyone want meat grown in a factory like cancer cells?.. I'm not sure if that is what you are talking about or not...
There is something I'd like clarification, when talking about CO2 emission for various products, is it just the amount from non-recapture source like fuel used in transport and manufacturing of fertilizer for grow of feed or does it also include re-capturable sources like the metabolizing of the feed themselves?
This is important as the latter is actually neutral(except, as noted, the actual consumption of non-recap in their creation).
This ‘documentary’ is straight up mind control.
A copy of meat is just that, a copy. There is no replacement for real meat no matter how mad the science is to replicate it.
And it’s as simple as this
Lab grown is still quite interesting to me though. Lab grown is actual meat. Cells but grown outside of an animal.
This could be interesting long term for some societies. The fake burger stuff is terrible though that's just chemicals, low in nutrition.
@@0xszander0 Agreed. Lab grown meat, aka clean meat is the closest you'll get to "real" meat. Plant-based burgers like Impossible Burger is just full of added chemicals and high in sodium. Yuck!
Apart from being good for environment, lab grown meat will make meat accessible to everyone. Industrial production of meat will lower the price as it has done with everything
Factory food is factory food, and factories have a horrible run-off.
"Lab Meat" likely is not the answer. One, for reasons, spelt out by Joe Fassler at the end of the video. E.g. AstraZeneca's COVID-19 vaccine is based on that kind of technology (engineered virus cultivated in cell cultures), and it was a bit challenging to produce at scale. The problem is not the sole existence of meat in our diets but that we overeat it. In a balanced approach to agriculture, we need some animals to close nutrient cycling, but not hundreds of millions of cows, pigs etc. (there are more chickens than all wild birds combined). So enjoy your Sunday roast from a cow that grazed on actual grass, not fed with soy from Brazil, but on Sundays ONLY :-)
I am not an expert but I bet you that a cow that is pasture raised produces a fraction of methane gas that a cow feed genetically modified corn full of pesticides!! I own a small cattle farm in South America where the cows eat what nature intended and the cows are happy and healthy.... and I have also seen and smelled the feed lots in parts of the US where you can feel the horrible smell for miles, and I doubt very much that this are happy healthy cows!! Most anthropologists agree that without meat, fish, eggs the human brain would have never developed the way that it did, and we probably would be just another ape in the planet.... Eating fake meat is probably the best way to evolve back into an ape!!
Even apes eat meat, if I remember correctly: insects, lizards & carrion they find.
@@BLAQFiniks Bad comparison. Animals in nature are optimized to consume every calorie possible, because you never know when food is on the table (they don't have tables, eat insects or risk death, also no brains to give a shit).
This is a luxury that we humans engineered our selves out of, but now this engineered thing (factory farming) is destroying the planet.
So we have to engineer a different solution or stop eating stupid amounts of meat because 8 billion humans is not a population that can be sustained through natural means..
So while meat may be natural to us, there is no way we can do it naturally because there is not enough nature to feed all of us.
Overpopulation.
Less people, less consumption and less pollution.
How about all the governments quit needlessly flying everywhere just to talk to someone.
Great to see the counter argument to cultured meat startups. The much simpler, healthier, and cheaper option is a plant based diet
Thank you dw very good on a side note in New Zealand the government produced a tax which got nicknamed the fart tax about 12 years ago
Eat ze bugs
What are "ze bugs"? 🧐
@@TheStockwell What Klaus Schwab will eat in prison for the rest of his miserable life.
What about the real victims, the animals? Why not show the world of flesh production? Dominion (2018) 👈
@@VeganSemihCyprus33 We are all victims of something. Wildlife is a constant struggle for survival. Animals eat one another. That's nature. We are part of nature. However, we can do better on treating the animals with more respect and veneration, in allowing them to have a good life before they die to serve us in the food chain.
The sintetic products are against humans!
DW makes excellent documentaries. This is one of them. Thank you.
So you are perfectly fine with DW starting out this video with an easy to prove giant LIE about the hottest 6 years on record? Not even close! There have been numerous times even long before the first human walked the earth that the climate has been MUCH, MUCH hotter and also MUCH, MUCH colder.
Nice & Informative :)
They are just trying to brainwash you into beliving something thats not even close to true.
I am surprised that you didn't make more than a passing reference to precision fermentation, the process which Impossible Foods use to make heme. Unlike animal cell culture, this technique is free to develop exponentially as researchers work out how to brew an increasing number of proteins that we currently get from animals. It's scaleable because the vats used for fermentation are already a mature technology and there are not the multiple hurdles that still hamper animal cell culture. Rethink X have studied this in depth and concluded that it will displace conventional meat very quickly.
I would also echo what an earlier commenter said about switching to fish. We're already hunting them to extinction and most farmed fish is also very destructive environmentally. In fact, when you consider that fish are being stolen from the West African coast - driving communities to starvation - only to be ground up and fed to farmed salmon, it can be every bit as ugly as the mass harvesting of wild fish using slave labour.
As far as I know, it's not real heme, but soy leghemoglobin. Not bioavailable iron then, just the flavour.
@@krzysztofmiszczuk2089 the iron in leghemoglobin is ferrous, not ferric. I'd actually assume it is as bioavailable as normal heme iron.
By the way, non-heme iron is still bioavailable, just not as readily as heme iron.
@TheTinkymaster you're correct, I've oversimplified. Saying that, after 24yrs of being vegetarian, the first thing I really wanted after changing my mind, was livers. Somehow, my body was looking for easy iron.
@@krzysztofmiszczuk2089
Hope you're doing well! I also fully understand it's hard to find a good serving of leghemoglobine somewhere.
Low iron can be an issue without meat, and you could always eat a bit of liver to add more iron to your diet. It sounds like you made another life choice alltogether though.
It's something that can happen for women too. My sister still eats meat every now and then.
@TheTinkymaster yes, I'm fine, thank you. I've switched to unprocessed keto 3yrs ago and feeling 10yrs younger now.
And, yes, iron, Omega-3, B12 etc. can be found in non animal foods or/and supplemented, but it's not the same.
I've been eating TVP since I was a kid, because I liked it on my sandwiches at school, but we were still a beef eating family. Studying climate change in Uni I decided to cut beef - and I'm glad to see that the science 5 years later still agrees this was the biggest change I could have made. That being said - I had a high propensity to change, and I still consume a reasonable amount of pork/chicken. We have a long way to go to actually change this global industry in a meaningful way. I think of my Mexican roommates who always have a freezer stocked full of big cuts of meat and do fried food every day. This is a common diet all around south/central America (not at all exclusively), which is one of the fastest growing economic regions of today. It's really frightening seeing what's happened to the jungles of Sumatra and extrapolating the exploitation to the Amazon and even central Africa down the line.
How many vehicles do you have at home? Do you use a refrigerator? Do you have a furnace where you still use firewood? Are you living in a carbon emission free zone in the world?
News flash eating Grass fed beef removes 3.5 lbs of carbon for every lbs.
Ah... the climate "science"
that ignores a lot of other externalities, but it's definitely better! The truck that transports that cow burns through that 3.5 pounds pretty quick, for example. The tree(s) lost to create that pasture stored thousands of pounds, etc. @@spacemanspiffy6596
So you were taught that cows are wiping out the planet but the thousands of gallons each plane in the sky is minimal by comparison? Not to mention the tankers on the highways and those massive ships that carry fruit across the oceans after draining the poorest people of their own food and wealth. You consider it's all down to the poor old cow that feeds and waters the earth at she eats the grass?
"The Great Meat Debate" offers an insightful exploration of the meat substitutes industry, revealing how people worldwide are seeking alternatives to combat the climate crisis.With perspectives from optimists and skeptics, it encourages us to rethink our diets and embrace sustainable choices for a better future.
I'll check it out, thanks
@@edgbarra💀
Did those companies share price increase after this video came out?
Also, how much of this video was sponsored by those companies?
I'm a vegetarian, but I'd like to know the economical outcomes of this video
this version of the documentary presents information much more different on various aspects when compared to the spanish version, for instance, here it mentions that 11% of green house gases involved in food nutrition come from packing and shipping, whereas in the spanish version it says it's only 6%, you need to check your numbers before publishing or else we'll think you're not that serious source of information.
You got the point. They are not a serious source of information.
All that wheat is no good for us. We were never meant to eat so much junk food.
If we ate green fresh vegetables and meat without all that machine farmed seed junk that forces all the forests to be ripped up the world would be a much better place and we would be as healthy as we were in the sixties, even though everyone smoked then, few had heart attacks and no one suffered with diabetes or obesity.
I feel that, I have wheat allergy
Very interesting! This is great and useful information. I think however that all we need is a change of habit. Not the creation of fake meat or a switch to a meat-free diet. People eat "too much" meat and too much of it goes to waste. We don't need to eat that much meat to get the nutrients we need. Only a few grams per day are sufficient. Ban industrial farming and encourage organic farming. This will limit considerably the number of animals, will make animal products more expensive which will lead to less consumption.
Thanks for commenting and sharing your thoughts on this:)
I'm curious. I can understand manufacturing the real thing but, what on earth do you feed it?
Since I have lots of food allergies and sensitivities, soy products and other legumes are totally out of the question for me. I eat meat. Just no highly processed meat. The meat I get is with a co-op in my area. It's absolutely fresh and butchered locally with no additives. That includes turkey and pork. I have my own chickens, so I know how they are raised. I won't eat anything but this as far as my meat is concerned.
A very well funded Propaganda piece
Yeah it's so freaking weird!
Some companies are suddenly realizing that you can make more long term profit if you don't extinct yourself by blowing up the biosphere that we need to live.
You'd almost expect that the next term windfall is more important than having functional offspring, oh wait oil companies what are you doing?!?
A propaganda piece in the guise of `science and technology'! The `process' that is being talked about is the standard process of capitalist agriculture and livestock production prevalent in the global north. In the global south, meat consumption is far less; frozen, processed meat is a rarity, only limited to the wealthy top few percent of the population. But a fantastical PR effort nonetheless to sidestep agriculture, to completely turn the problem of global food security upside down, make the global south more and more dependent on global north and create confusion about the historical culpability of the capitalist global north in engineering the climate catastrophe.
We can't live without the planet, the planet can live without us.
And the planet can't live without life, and that inludes animals. Our animals make the soil beneath our feet that vegans seem to think they grow their food in.
It is so stupid how are we trying to replace beef with not really tested technology instead of promoting adding algae (=reducing methane by 80%)... we also can´t forget that cowas are often used for landscape managament that would also needed to be done anyway (using machinery for this loweres biodiversity on pastures and that needs to be reminded)