From smartphones to e-cars - How important is the lithium-ion battery? | DW Documentary
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- Опубликовано: 14 фев 2023
- The lithium-ion battery is proving to be one of the most important innovations for the 21st century. This new technology is the cornerstone of e-mobility and digitalization. It’s set to play a big role in enabling the switch to renewable energies.
Without the lithium-ion battery, many of the technological innovations we take for granted today would be almost inconceivable. From smartphones to e-cars, the lithium-ion battery can be found in almost every battery-powered device.
The technology is particularly well-established in one, perhaps surprising, place: the warehouse. In the field of "intralogistics,” e-mobility is already the order of the day. In fact, lithium-ion forklifts have been hard at work in warehouses around the world for more than a decade.
The Hamburg-based Jungheinrich company is a trailblazer in this technology. But pioneering comes with challenges. Intralogistics deals with a wide variety of issues, from artificial intelligence to sustainability, resource availability, and recycling. This film explores the extraction of lithium, the production of state-of-the-art cells and their use in vehicles and AI-controlled large-scale energy storage. It highlights the latest developments in this promising and rapidly advancing field.
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You learn something everyday. DW documentaries are unbiased
@@chriscarrol9373 ha what? They are always good unless they are bad. Is pretty much what that says. 60% of the time it works every time.
No outlet is unbiased that is a silly assumption.
I am always impressed by the serious and measured approach of DW documentaries.
A major factor is Li-Ion battery susceptibility to temperature extremes. In cold enough temperatures Li-Ion batteries can lose around 40% charge.
Magnesium ion batteries may be the next battery. They have two ions instead of one, so more charge. Also, could be less susceptible to temp swings
@@yuki-sakurakawa That sounds very interesting. I'll have to look into it.
The speed at which innovation is taking place, leaves us with one conclusion: the future is now! Thank you.
Another conclusion: the techno-industrial system will inadvertently require us to extract many many more resources from Nature, in order to keep growing and "save the climate". In the process, ever more species and their LIVING space will be lost. The Sixth Extinction -> THAT is NOW.
Well the manufacturers wouldn't like that. Same as the "unbreakable" glass which never entered the market. Wouldn't do good on their sales...
Incredible. I am so sad that my country, Bolivia, one of the country with the biggest Lithium deposits of the world is just beggining to explode it. but our weakened state is not trust worth it. Corruption, negligence, impunity are the heart of my country. This documentary shows us a better, greener future. Ironically after covid 19 pandemic, urban mobility in bolivia got worse. thousands of noisy motorcycles and cars entered illegally to the country. We, now, live in a noisier, filtier, unhuman cities.
I wish to see this change in Bolivia of fosil fuel to lithium iron battery during my life time.
Electric scooters are replacing gas scooters here in Longmont CO USA. I assume this is going to happen eventually everywhere. Policies help. There are tax rebates that help with the adoption.
Sergio mi hermano, it's just human greed especialy here in the states & welthy countries that sell their souls to the gas/oil giants they will sell their arse/soul to the Devil if need be.. De humans need to change the way we live and do it like super fast like yesterday, de dont have much time left before It's to late, to be honest i think it's to late already.
We dont stop pumping out oil or gas anytime soon & these EVIL greedy people that live well off, they think that everything is going to be fine, their grandchildre will love in a very different World, thats the legacy they are leaving behind for them & por everyone else.....Six mass extincion is upon us as we speak my brother.
Blessings to you and your family always from puerto rico with lots of love
I had hopes for the socialist government and Lithium, but then there was the right-wing coup. I have a Bolivian Tourist Visa for a 90 day visit that's good until November 8, 2028. Use Lithium sales to fund an attack on Peru (in turmoil right now) and take back Bolivia's path to the the Pacific Ocean. Join forces with Ecuador, another victim of Peruvian land grabs.
Korea has the world's top lithium-ion battery makers.
Korea had a 0-0 draw against Bolivia in the 1994 U.S. World Cup.
Hwang Sun-hong, the current coach of the U-23 national soccer team, was criticized for failing to score against Bolivia because he missed a chance as a striker, but he scored the first goal against Poland in the 2002 Korea-Japan World Cup.
@@beelzebub3991 how come a 90-day tourist visa is good until november 2028?. are you ok right now?
At the geothermal plants at the Salten Sea area California USA Li extraction plants are currently being built. It appears that about 40% of the world's supply of Li can be produced from this one geothermo area.
Yes! Exciting news for Imperial county, CA. 😀
i cant believe those electric forklifts have been around since 2008! i first saw 1 in 2022, i wish they were more widespread here sooner! i destroyed my back between 2010 and 2020 by moving pallets
Outstanding journalisn💚🌍✨🌱🕊️🙏🏻💪🏻
Imagine humanity spending the same amount of effort on this technology as it currently spends on making weapons!
I agree with you but unfortunately we are a very violent species! We got to spend time developing both for the time being because you always have evil people who want to do bad things my friend!
As always a great documentary by DW.
Lies again? Lite Plan Legal Porno
DW is great when not broadcasting U$ propaganda.
Lithium-Ion’s 10th anniversary? Try 38th, the tech was developed in 1985
Vanadium flow batteries for green grid storage. Big stuff happening in South Africa.
Very good idea for long storage. It will come soon enough when energy storage is taking off.
propane is even cheaper then the power bill. plus the batters are super sensitive to temp to hot or cold and the fork lift will just quit on you
Congratulations for the documentary
All the best! 😉
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@@DWDocumentary it's one of the best internet discoveries your documentaries. The topics are interesting, well researched, controversial often. I pretty much treat everything you say now as the truth. Can't wait to watch this one, maybe it will answer some of the question that you hear from people afraif of change that how bad the electric cars are becuase of the batteries (sth I don't believe myself ;))
Recycling “clean energy “ products is a must like the car batteries phone batteries and solar pannels, research lab grown versions of those mines ect
Yea, this is an important step in transitioning to green energy!
Good upload ... !!
The name of the musical piece starting at 0:05?
und wie werden die Batterien aufgeladen? Mit Himbeersaft?
Solar, wind, hydro, any power source really. On households it is becoming a more popular thing to have solar on the roof charging a battery which supplies the house and an EV
@@matthewdilks2677 so, out from an electric plug. and WHERE does the electricity come from? the - greens - declared that atomic power is ok now.
sun is shining all year round in the Sahara or Africa. Get solar power from there? via cables 1000s of km long? wind? is it blowing all the time,everywhere?
the grid is built in such a way that one needs a constant flow of electricity. 50 Hertz, not more and not less.
Hydro? hardly on any big river anymore. it takes up to 30 years to get it going.
( there are films on youtube, for all this, sun,wind, water, what obstacles there are. might that be a little green 4 legged fish eating frog, a salmon that never even run that river, the view is blocked onto mountains 100km away....).
all these renewable energies are nice and fine and needed. but NOT in MY backyard...such is the attitude these days.
Thanks for posting
Thank you for watching!
Storing energy in hydrogen has an overall conversion efficiency of 25%....
What happens to the waste when you extract these materials from the earth ?
they go into a landfill and from there to our water supply as usual. we see endless promises of recycling but it doesn't actually happen, certainly not to the degree that's advertised.
@@csehszlovakze The slave child labor mines that extract the lithium has been omitted.
@@karenishness1 that too, but don't let the musk simps know 😂😂😂
What waste? Don't you know EVs are the best thing to have ever happened to us? They will lead us to a future that is powered by misleading facts and optimism :) Can't wait until EVs are the norm and car manufactures have absolute control of the vehicle whose batteries will probably have to be replaced every 7 years or so. The future looks bright. Why pump petroleum from the desert when we can cut into forests to mine the materials for batteries? The latter seems to be the most environmentally friendly option obviously.
@@alileevil Except for the children in Africa digging the lithium up with their bare hands and dying en masse, And of course the spontaneous combustion of the batteries causing inferno like fires that none can escape from.
Good step 👍
Lithium-ion battery production is an integral part of two major economies, in particular, ours (the U.S.) and Poland. In April '23, it was reported that Poland surpassed the U.S. to have the world’s second largest lithium-ion battery production capacity. 👍🏿
Thanks for sharing.... This is beautiful
I use my alcatel mobile for 4 years almost.... bought for 80 euros as the returned google pixel didnt have switchable batteries... so I bought 2 pairs of extra batteries exteding the life for 6 to 8 years I hope...
I wonder if the extraction of lithium, the creation, and the recycle is actually producing less waste than fossil fuel cars. I mean mining pollutes water and is energy intensive. I am personally going to reduce driving to help instead of relying on innovatins.
Reducing at the source is always preferred when possible. Personally, my two bikes and a bit of public transit are such a good combination that I have a hard time imagining my life any different in terms of transportation.
It doesn't matter what you do, their will be more drivers in the world in 5 years, making an alternative clean transportation is important regardless.
STOP eating meat too, the meat industry is one of the biggest problems
Realy I like this video so much
thanx for add subtitle. i understood. how need battery in our life. but, lithium ion battery is very important. while you ask me. what will good fuel for car. i will say hydrogen. we shouldnt always depend on battery.
not true filling the dissel tank is cheaper than the power bill from charging
DW 😊
super sir
Outstanding program. I hope German innovation will help them prosper thereby avoiding most Ukraine impacts.
I have read that there are on earth only sufficient resources for production of around 100million automobiles and trucks. I don't believe recycling was part of the study.
Let the source benefits from the profit
Is the narrator the same lady who does NEOM?
Korea has the world best lithium ion battery makers.
LG, 'amazing' track record on battery(biggest cases in car explosions)...Samsung, best flammable phones. Should i a go on?
sustainability ; tempting word , but i don't know why i got heartache when i hear it
I want to listen about sodium ions battery of future use.
The key is the recycling of batteries, and rare metals, not only for the electric car industry, but also for all electronic devices,
15:00 👍
Aww... Now how are we ever going to be able to take our phones with us when we travel 🧳 😒
Great job,,, Europe,, great,, people are happy with the job,, grow up,, more and more,,
I am confused. Li-Ion is a new technology? I've been using devices with them in it for ages.
obviously born yesterday
I think you are confused lithium battery with lithium-ion battery. They are totally two different categories of technology.
@@peternjoyce It's been around for years
@@peternjoyce I have a Laptop from 1999 with Li-ion battery in it (the cells are quite dead though).
Dr Goodenough developed lithium ion battery usa.
Actually he was head of the Oxford University Inorganic Chemistry Lab in the early 1980s. When Thackeray joined his lab, the ongoing work on spinels bore fruit when Thackeray showed evidence of lithium migration.... Thackeray later joined Argonne labs holding on to the patents
Let's always do alot of good 🙏
Lithium can be found a lot in Indonesia and Australia. However, a Sodium-ion battery is a safer, and more friendly environment and has no explosion.
Thailand has successfully made a Sodium-ion battery and it is ready for manufacturing. The reserve of rock salt accounts for 18 billion tons, an enormous amount of reserve on the Korat Plateau.
The United States imports from Thailand of Salt, Pure Sodium Chloride, and Sea Water amounted to US$31.9 thousand in 2021.
The Chinese company, CATL ranked first among the Top 10 sodium-ion battery companies in the world, is a world-leading new energy innovation technology company, focusing on the R&D, production and sales of new energy vehicle power battery systems and energy storage systems.
Most of China's EV car makers have moved their factories to Thailand and started dominating the Japanese car makers at the moment.
That’s what I know about rechargeable batteries on the other side of the world.
Sodium battery have their own place. They will be mostly used as a midterm storage for the grid as they aren´t as energy dense as Lithium batteries. Maybe Sodium gets it´s place in smaller, cheaper EVs with less range.
Lfp is already truly amazing how much energy they can store, to think I can power my whole house with something about the size of 2 cartons of beer still impresses me to this day. With the billions going into development I will probably be able to do it with 1 carton in a decade and that would be tech worthy of a scifi movie. Electrons don't weigh much so there is a lot of room for energy density improvements :) Put that together with solar panels also improving every year and its already time to give the middle finger to greedy energy companies in some parts of the world.
When they come up with a battery made of beer that you can drink and pee out to recharge that will be the peak of civilization 🙃
LFP is actually a step backwards in terms of power density over NMC lithium ion batteries, but they don’t catch fire the same way the older NMC batteries could.
@@wizardindustriesusa Im willing to give up some density for the longevity, safety and cost advantage, so are the big Ev makers. NMC will become niche use case until something even better comes along....
The way of the future is graphene/ graphite batteries.
Li is only beginning, like Pb was in batteries, but Li is heavy and we need another cathode and anode materials, maybe not LiC6 and LiFePO4 and LiPF6 + EC + DMC + VC, but only few 100-th nanometers Li metal anode and special cathode, so we can make 1000 km battery / 100 kg / 20000 cycles from 0 to 45 *C without DC resistance impact.
I wish at least some of the profits from mining Li in Chile would go back towards the people in the country.
drink a shot every time she says "intra logistics"
hik
5.9 million tonns of Lothium got discovered in Jammu which is a part of india in North.
In the end, just a battery into an forklift. New name is mobile forklift, tech babi
First comment, thanks for the upload.
Thanks for watching!
@@DWDocumentary your article is biased, you cherry pick who and what to tell you stories about. Dont get me wrong, great quality documentary but hope you get better mention on leaders in the industry next time and less cherry picking... Cherry picking is also a for of manipulation.
In India we have now lot of lithium
like chapatti and chicken masala and biryani?
That's why they think about this field genius, you have so many workers who are underpaid, a big beautiful exploitation 🙏💞❤️, lithium doesn't get itself from out the ground you know
your not cuting emissons your just moving it
I’m not sure if Jungheinrich could take all or any credit for lithium powered forklifts within the Intralogistics logistics industry unless of course IF they are narcissistic
Rich people need electric jets too, and electric boats, I am waiting
Oh forgot electric helicopters and fully electric company industries
Shame we'll have no lithium anyway because of people tossing away those disposable vapes after use
Not to forget how these batteries are exploding into infernos with no time for people to escape. A chinese fleet of busses gone within 30 seconds.
This a problem with current Li batteries with wet electrolyte. Hopefully this problem can be solved with the development of dry electrolytes.
@@stanleytolle416 The same stupid careless greedy hateful people making them? Doubt it mah.
Good thing for brake flow.
LG is the biggest battery explosions scale world wide, check data dude...they screw up Ford Chevy and others...
@sourav jaiswal Sarcasm won't make it safe.
People don't really care about the environmental impact.
It's about saving money 💰.
Nice @40:24 there is a wild Linux user!
Looks like Windows
Missed a lot by not mentionimg Congo and cobalt.
Yay!!
Wish Germany was making cars just like they make those sustainable batteries.
LIB is the future, no doubt.
we live in a cycle, so close to the end and begin again...😎
This documentary comes after lithium was found in (Union Territory of Jammu and Kashmir India) weeks ago that's interesting
This is Now, people.
I wonder if in a hundred years we gonna have same problem as with oil , we just run out of lithium and make an even bigger mess in the process 🤔
Anything dug out from the earth is never a good idea and will eventually run out
Even worse, have you seen these batteries exploding in chinese busses? An entire fleet wiped out in 30 seconds.
Ever heard of recycling
That smart phone has the most Inefficient charger ... wireless charging 😂😂
india found 5.9 tonnes in j&k and working in argentina to found more lithium
Fantastic! This is the way to the Future, the way to the stars!
amazon and walmart use hydrogen forklifts in their warehoues :X
Hydrogen will never be a viable alternative for energy storage without direct access to molecular hydrogen. It's basic physics.
The battery of the future and now going forward for EV and bigger battery storage and applications is lithium silicon battery 🔋
when you realise that cars enable the carbon intensive urban growth patterns of the modern world, you can draw conclusions of whether smart vehicles are essentially "green". The have your cake and eat it too mentality is counterintuitive.
When you do the math and figure out electric cars would massively reduce emission regardless...
@@Victor-vj5ds lol. No it wouldn't.
@@flicksbyhans yes it would, you just wouldn't know because you haven't done the math.
@@Victor-vj5ds just making its batteries is more harmful
@@ajbm6 no it isn't, making batteries is energy intensive but it makes up it's footprint in less than 3 years compared to a gas car, new techniques are constantly being developed to make batteries cleaner like dry electrodes over wet electrodes, you can even recycle them profitably now using hydrometalurgy recycling. Most of the bad stuff you hear about EVs is a myth or outdated.
Not "was", it still is very costly.
Everyone speaking about Lithium. What about Cobalt?!
Cobalt is old battery tech-use now. It is less environment-friendly compared with Lithium-ion or sodium-ion batteries. We haven't find better alternative yet because all these battery technologies aren't really environment-friendly.
@@youme1414 I mean, currently cobalt is a key element in Li-Ion batteries. It's the main elemet used as active material in cathode. It's cobalt the most difficult element to find out currently and it's even more difficult to find another alternative of it.
@@IngVasiu Nickel seems to be a better alternative to cobalt in battery cathode, if I could recall.
@@youme1414 Nickel together with cobalt and manganese (NMC) are all part of the cathode components. They are all needed.
Let me be direct : As it's important to us, it is important to our planet earth too ! Actually nothing is waste if we use it in a smart way, but which unfortunately human's have failed. Smart in the sense real smart the pure one ! Now as some humans thinks they are smart will leave it to them to know & understand that how aware are they. Thankyou!🙏
The AI stuff sounds like Theranos all over again, just a magic hype-y solution, never mind how it works
So DW couldn't mention Sodium as an upcoming competitor. Something tells me that this video is brought to us by corporate Germany - Intra Logistics a huge suspect.
This idea makes no sense. Germany has a larger supply of sodium deposits than lithium.
Suggesting sodium as a replacement to lithium is like suggesting hydrogen to be a replacement for gasoline. the technology isn't there yet.
why would they mention a tech that its pioneered by US biggest adversary?
@@havencat9337 excuse me. Pioneered by who?
All praise our God, Lithium-Ion
....,and end of religious. Science will serve our humanity.
And is the parts needed being stolen from Africa??
Yeah u absolutely right they still all raw material from Africa and they buy it cheap from g to there
In child slave labor mines digging the lithium.
More than 90% of Lithium is extracted outside Africa, infact around 70% alone from Chile, Argentina and Bolivia.
Which world are you living in?
@@seedhasaadabhartiya3312 I live in London England 🇬🇧 🙌 😀 you are the biggest lieyer I have ever had of
@@CVL1986 he is hindtuva fascist RSS troll
We are on the cusp of a revolution in the battery sector. Far too long lithium ion batteries have been the same technology essentially for decades. It is finally time for this technology to evolve to provide us a much more energy dense, thermally efficient, and safer type of battery. 3D silicon anode lithium ion batteries will be rapidly scaled over the next few years.
Why tf You make 42:25, 42:31 length documentaries. Is this OCD?
Likely a standardized tv broadcast length.
@@theonlycaulfield Hmmm.
@@theonlycaulfield Finally Mr. caulfield replied to me like a normal person with a reasonable explanation.
Why? Do you have a short attention span? Documentarys typically contain a fair amount of information which requires time to deliver that information.
Solid state is the future
Silicon Anode is the battery of the future, lithium ion batteries are now getting antiquated
Why is the safety factor of H2 never mentioned?
The hidden cost of e-cars is too high. An eco-utopia.
What are the steps taken to save the environment where these minerals are mined while exploiting the miners, especially in less developed nations?
Do you really think they care about the environment? It’s all about 💰💰
No mention of LFP batteries that don't contain Cobalt, Nickel or Magnesium. Or Sodium-Ion batteries where sodium replaces lithium.
The comments on the DW videos are something else. Whats fake, real or a scam?
In California, the Salton Sea has been mine for the making of car battery. Warren Buffett 's company infested in it. The surrounding land have bubbling hot brine
About 5 years ago I bought a lot there, and just found harsh, sand storms and hot sun, very little shade. I think I made 3 or 4 payments of
$ 100 dollars a month, and there was a lot of permits and regulations to improve your own property. Things had to be done in a certain order. And with time limits. So I let it go, and oh well. I hope the cool laid back people I met there are all doing fine. And finally get paid for the suffering they all have been through.
Hopefully the batteries would evolve away from Lithium to a safer material
Li-NMC batteries are non-sustainable and literally incendiary devices that turn toxic waste. And don't quote aluminium and copper from recycling efforts, quote lithiumhexafluorophosphate the electrolyte and cobalt and manganese percentages. This is madness, li-nmc technology reminds me of the 1950s nuclear everything.
With millions of vapers using Lithium Ion batteries daily, it seems like this documentary would've at least mentioned this use in passing.
Is it just me, or does this Doc seem really German-centric?
Whoever figures out how to profitably recycle batteries is gonna be uber rich soon.
You mean a German program is German centric? No, get out of here?!?!
All that stuff about forklifts powered by lithium is silly. The power source should match the demands and with a forklift you can power it with a lead acid battery they are much cheaper. If you put a lithium battery in a forklift it's more expensive but the cheaper solution is more than capable of doing the job. There are plenty of electric forklifts out with with lead acid batteries and lead acid batteries are far cheaper.
When it comes to hydrogen then you don't need hydrogen in forklifts or cars or motorbikes, it's just not practical. However it is very practical in short-haul aircraft and that's why Airbus are doing massive amounts of research for hydrogen aircraft.
Hydrogen is also practical for ships that don't go too far. It's not good for the ships that will travel thousands of miles but just a few hundred it's a good solution. If you have a ship crossing an ocean then there is some research into making fuels from green hydrogen and those fuels take even more energy to make, but they are energy dense enough for a ship to cross an ocean.
If a ship is just traveling from the UK to France (near Dover) then battery power ships would be at their limit and you might want to use hydrogen. If you have a ship that traveling from the North of England to the Netherlands then battery power is not good enough, your best bet is hydrogen.
It's all about the right solution for each individual situation.
Li batteries are cheaper than lead acid batteries. Yes the first cost is higher but Li can hold more power and last a lot longer. Because of this Li batteries cost about a third less than lead acid over the full life cycle of the battery.
@@stanleytolle416 true
Lithium beats lead
now India will going to became world top exporter country.
India is going to dominate 21st century ❤️🔥
Nah China will
I studied batteries and lithium is just wrong way for car batteries.
What is correct Way?