It's funny how this bell curve happens in virtually every profession, whether it's manual labor, coding, or artistic. When you're a beginner you do less (because you dont know how to do more). When you're intermediate, you do more (because you think more is better) and then when you're a master, you do less again (but this time it's because you do only what's absolutely necessary and everything else is superfluous).
The beauty of filmmaking truly happens when editing isn't just the step where all of the errors on set are now your responsibility to piece together. When a director can just properly get the shot so you have the right material to work with to make things like this happen, it's so fantastic.
Me adding a 6 second shot to my rough cut My editing professor: "6 seconds? This ain't 1952 buddy, its too slow. It needs to be faster, more cuts, more B-rolls, MORE B-ROLLS!!!" He would get a heart attack after watching this.
The finger getting cut off is an amazing scene. Staying on her face longer then we’re used to to the point where you think we might not see the finger but BAM. There it is. Also staying j the actor’s face letting them ACT.
Even when I closed my eyes as in the theatre as she took her finger off, the sound editing was so good that I still felt her cutting it off. I couldn't hold it anymore and when I opened my eyes, the scene cuts to the payoff, which I tried so desperately to ignore LOL. I felt everything. I love and hate it, and I think that's the effect the director and editors wanted the audience to experience. This was a great episode, thanks so much for doing it!!
Not cutting is one thing, not moving the camera to get a perfect framing of the scene is something else. Yasujiro Ozu was the master of the static framing. He did it back in the day (1940s, 1950s).
This just proves to how subjective the art of filmmaking can be. This is great but you can also have multiple cuts in the same scene and turn it into a stunning piece of artwork. Just because we are so used to cuts in even low production films, this feels different and unique
I like the frame narrative concept in this film, these are usually tough stories to edit because these edits call for the highest degree of psychological awareness of the editor in relation to what the audience needs to feel from the director's perspective of course. Great stuff!
The no cut approach is one of my favorite moves. It is the kind of thing that when pointed out to less critical eyes, people can no longer unsee the lack of cutting. John Huston used this technique as well as a way to have more control over the narrative.
Always impressive guests! I usually haven't heard of them but knowing they are behind such masterpieces, immediately get the idea. Nice one, Hayden! 🍿🎬
I LOVE the discussion about the "expansion of time" by going out (in concentric circles thematically) and returning and how it amplifies the theme. Sounds like an expanded version of thematical montage a la Sergei Einsenstein - but instead of shots, it's sequences. Same idea anyway - maybe it's ALL owed to Eisenstein.
Compositional frames, purposefuley narrative builds, all within a particular shot / scene, etc., nicley done. It's always something artistd struggle with. If you have a hammer, then swing, and everything is a nail. give someone an edit suite and all they do is press the cut button. Thanks for this! Keep it up!
Having recently watched a series made for Disney... where there is so much that is implied but never said, but done badly, watching some of these clips really highlights how much information can be conveyed without words... and simply through visual story telling & editing
"...let the code of the scene be transmitted". This statement kinda blew my mind a bit. He's thinking about the 'product' in different way, a better way. Imbuing it with agency almost. Thank you for this video.
I thought that was the aim of a good edit cut, for the message to be conveyed in the clearest, most potent way possible. However, I understand the director's, producer's, studio's, editor's visions don't always align to achieve that goal.
That push in while she's talking about mundane grocery stuff is so The Shining coded. It works so well to set you up for what's next. It's shocking but because of that push in, the silence, and the music, you're shocked but somehow ready for it. It's so wild.
I never imagined this before, but now it makes sense. It's similar to something I recently watched, Monsters: The Lyle and Erik Menendez Story. There's a scene that's over five minutes long without any cuts, and it's very interesting because I was able to follow the scene clearly without it feeling compromised.
This is an amazing episode with so much to learn and feel threatened at the same time, which is incredible. Both the host and interviewer are top-notch! This is my first time commenting on a show on RUclips. Thank you~
Many thanks for the video. It’s amazing that Dzyga Vetrov’s ideas are still alive. BTW, his pseudonym “Dzyga” translates from Ukrainian as «spinning top».
Did I miss a spoiler alert? I'm glad I didn't see this before seeing the film at the cinema. This video reveals significant acts in the film which evoke changes in the viewers' understanding and emotions through all three stories.
I have learnt a lot about editing with this great piece of work, thanks to our Oscar nominated editor, which is a visual representation of how a story will play out with visual information, shot by shot. It's made up of a chronological series of images, with accompanying notes, helping the filmmaker to clarify their vision. I'm from Sierra Leone 🇸🇱 West Africa, trying to lay more emphasis in filming as well as editing with mindset technical sound.
Although this seems very simple, my question is, were they shooting for the edit? Was the way that the film was cut ALREADY in the filmmaker's head or was every possible (logical?) shot taken to play with in post?🤔
I think it was IMDb that used to list the average scene length for movies. Quite a few were 5 seconds or less, which meant there had to be a lot of rapid cuts in order to drag the average down for the entire movie.
You should invite Director of Somebody else -1975 music video Tim mattia or Jodeb. They cut everyting in different time and spaces. Kind a very unique way to make things
oh snap , you owe me $50 sir !!! lol great video , lots of insight . Im not a creator but I do love films and writing good stories. This stuff will come in handy.
i was not ready for that first scene oh my GOD! its somehow what im NOT seeing thats making me squirm in my chair and then the quick cut to the thumb is just brutal man what the fuckkkkk
most of what i have been taught is to cut cut cut keep peoples attention people have short attention spans. this is like completely the opposite of that advice so how would you take this information and apply it? just looking for others ideas and to start a conversation on the video.
I love what you got to show here and enjoy what you have to say. Really good stuff. One note just maybe from me... but SPOILERS? LOL. I have not had a chance get to Kind of Kindness yet and wow!!! yes this sc is amazing and i'm in it.. but spoiler maybe LOL. Keep up the good stuff all in all.
The only problem i have with this is she's cutting off her thumb with the TIP of the knife instead of the middle, you have much less control and leverage if you cut with the tip
I always thought that editing follows the script. So how would the director or the DP know to film the flashbacks if it's not in the script? I gotta go find that script now.
This Podcast is basically free editing film school.
'if you're not paying for the product, you are the product'
youtube university
Absolutely!
That is a price I'm willing to pay @@Kawabata_Akira
@@Kawabata_Akira no, mubi paid for the product. we have it for free.
Can't believe this is free. So amazing to hear a cinema professional explain his style so eloquently.
not free for them, they are sponsored by mubi
@@AlamdaAli not free for us, we pay by being exposed to commercials...
It's funny how this bell curve happens in virtually every profession, whether it's manual labor, coding, or artistic. When you're a beginner you do less (because you dont know how to do more). When you're intermediate, you do more (because you think more is better) and then when you're a master, you do less again (but this time it's because you do only what's absolutely necessary and everything else is superfluous).
it's true what they say, "less is more"
Now I'm curious. Is this the reason why uncut walking tour videos gain a lot of traction on RUclips?
movie name
The beauty of filmmaking truly happens when editing isn't just the step where all of the errors on set are now your responsibility to piece together. When a director can just properly get the shot so you have the right material to work with to make things like this happen, it's so fantastic.
Me adding a 6 second shot to my rough cut
My editing professor: "6 seconds? This ain't 1952 buddy, its too slow. It needs to be faster, more cuts, more B-rolls, MORE B-ROLLS!!!"
He would get a heart attack after watching this.
This guy was actually my editing professor. 😄
💀
@@Winduct what was he like as an editing professor?
@@the.lbd.diaries Slow and quiet but a deep thinker.
@@Winductthat's cool. thanks for replying
The thumbnail says Don't cut, and yet the thumb was cut.
lmaoo
lol..
The finger getting cut off is an amazing scene. Staying on her face longer then we’re used to to the point where you think we might not see the finger but BAM. There it is. Also staying j the actor’s face letting them ACT.
what movie is it?
@@KevinJM220 Kinds of Kindness. Might still only be in theaters.
Even when I closed my eyes as in the theatre as she took her finger off, the sound editing was so good that I still felt her cutting it off. I couldn't hold it anymore and when I opened my eyes, the scene cuts to the payoff, which I tried so desperately to ignore LOL. I felt everything. I love and hate it, and I think that's the effect the director and editors wanted the audience to experience. This was a great episode, thanks so much for doing it!!
I feel so sick hahahaha I was doing the same
He was my teacher in film school!❤❤❤❤❤❤❤ amazing person, big love!!!!
Not cutting is one thing, not moving the camera to get a perfect framing of the scene is something else. Yasujiro Ozu was the master of the static framing. He did it back in the day (1940s, 1950s).
Yorgos Mavropsaridis' encouraging words towards the end of the video was so sweet. So lovely!
That first shot is so terrifying that I almost didn’t want to watch this video.
This just proves to how subjective the art of filmmaking can be. This is great but you can also have multiple cuts in the same scene and turn it into a stunning piece of artwork. Just because we are so used to cuts in even low production films, this feels different and unique
Love this. Nice to see in a world of RUclipsrs making it feel like there needs to be a cut every tenth of a second.
Dude you're brave to continue to show this in youtube.
Also props to the Master editor and the interview amazing
I like the frame narrative concept in this film, these are usually tough stories to edit because these edits call for the highest degree of psychological awareness of the editor in relation to what the audience needs to feel from the director's perspective of course.
Great stuff!
The no cut approach is one of my favorite moves. It is the kind of thing that when pointed out to less critical eyes, people can no longer unsee the lack of cutting.
John Huston used this technique as well as a way to have more control over the narrative.
this was incredible to watch
You're incredible for watching thank you.
The editor is as much artist as technician. Love this.
ok.. i gotta pause at 5:00.. never heard of this movie.. now I gotta go watch it first.. while both thumbs are intact... WOW!
Doing the same! Love these actors. Love this kind of film. Looks super interesting. I’ll be back!
Always impressive guests! I usually haven't heard of them but knowing they are behind such masterpieces, immediately get the idea. Nice one, Hayden! 🍿🎬
I LOVE the discussion about the "expansion of time" by going out (in concentric circles thematically) and returning and how it amplifies the theme. Sounds like an expanded version of thematical montage a la Sergei Einsenstein - but instead of shots, it's sequences. Same idea anyway - maybe it's ALL owed to Eisenstein.
Compositional frames, purposefuley narrative builds, all within a particular shot / scene, etc., nicley done. It's always something artistd struggle with. If you have a hammer, then swing, and everything is a nail. give someone an edit suite and all they do is press the cut button. Thanks for this! Keep it up!
This is one of the most influential videos I've seen on editing. I am bookmarking this for rewatching and future reference.
Having recently watched a series made for Disney... where there is so much that is implied but never said, but done badly, watching some of these clips really highlights how much information can be conveyed without words... and simply through visual story telling & editing
"...let the code of the scene be transmitted". This statement kinda blew my mind a bit. He's thinking about the 'product' in different way, a better way. Imbuing it with agency almost.
Thank you for this video.
I thought that was the aim of a good edit cut, for the message to be conveyed in the clearest, most potent way possible. However, I understand the director's, producer's, studio's, editor's visions don't always align to achieve that goal.
That push in while she's talking about mundane grocery stuff is so The Shining coded. It works so well to set you up for what's next. It's shocking but because of that push in, the silence, and the music, you're shocked but somehow ready for it. It's so wild.
It's very touching that he called her Emily.
this is amazing hayden !!!
Incredible conversation. Thank you!
14:00 is a double entendre in film language. 😮
understanding the genius of it is freakin amazing
This was fantastic! Thank a lot for this!
Intriguing insights into the world of Oscar-nominated editing! Your exploration of the editor’s unique rule is both thought-provoking and inspiring
Thank you so much. RUclips Gold
very powerful information in this clip. thank you for sharing!
Love this podcast, golden nuggets a plenty!
Very nice to know this powerful cutting technics. Thank you for sharing.
I never imagined this before, but now it makes sense. It's similar to something I recently watched, Monsters: The Lyle and Erik Menendez Story. There's a scene that's over five minutes long without any cuts, and it's very interesting because I was able to follow the scene clearly without it feeling compromised.
Wow! You got Yorgos?! Amazing.
Can you get Thelma Schoonmaker?? :)
Thank you so much for the interview and your efforts. I wish you all the best.
This is an amazing episode with so much to learn and feel threatened at the same time, which is incredible. Both the host and interviewer are top-notch! This is my first time commenting on a show on RUclips. Thank you~
as an intern sound designer this helped me so much such a brilliant video, thank you for this
Sweet video. Thanks guys 😎
really nice intro pacing and giving me exactly what I clicked for. thank u
Many thanks for the video. It’s amazing that Dzyga Vetrov’s ideas are still alive. BTW, his pseudonym “Dzyga” translates from Ukrainian as «spinning top».
Amazing to honor a master.
If only he broke his one rule and cut every 0.5 seconds he might have won an oscar for best editing like in Bohemian Rhapsody.
AMAZING, thank you very much for this
I like the tip for the kitchen scene; be cognisant of your timing (visual vs audio). Good rule of thumb. xD
I often listen to The Editing Podcast while I am driving or doing chores. Today I watched it during breakfast 🤢 ; guess I'll go back to listening 😆.
I don't know this channel, but 4 minutes in I am shocked! I need to pause and go watch Kinds of Kindness.. This video it's too well made. 👏👏👏
Did I miss a spoiler alert? I'm glad I didn't see this before seeing the film at the cinema. This video reveals significant acts in the film which evoke changes in the viewers' understanding and emotions through all three stories.
I haven’t seen the film and unfortunately didn’t realize how much would be revealed 😅
That was so interesting video! Thank you!
Great podcast! I’m curious how much much of these complex sequences are in the script?
I love this. Thank you
I have learnt a lot about editing with this great piece of work, thanks to our Oscar nominated editor, which is a visual representation of how a story will play out with visual information, shot by shot. It's made up of a chronological series of images, with accompanying notes, helping the filmmaker to clarify their vision. I'm from Sierra Leone 🇸🇱 West Africa, trying to lay more emphasis in filming as well as editing with mindset technical sound.
Mastering the art of film editing
i loved watching this ...... amazing observation by you bro.. real filmmakers
Sir please make a podcast with music video director to editing tips
Although this seems very simple, my question is, were they shooting for the edit? Was the way that the film was cut ALREADY in the filmmaker's head or was every possible (logical?) shot taken to play with in post?🤔
what an amazing episode. Anyway, I need to get back to work
Wow! Not even finished yet, and this one is 😮 🤯
This was SO GOOD!
Love this content, thank you.
This is brilliant!
I think it was IMDb that used to list the average scene length for movies. Quite a few were 5 seconds or less, which meant there had to be a lot of rapid cuts in order to drag the average down for the entire movie.
Love the video, thank you!
Please lint roll your mic foam
Welp not gonna be able to sleep tonight. Thanks for the interview though😆
Very cool!
This was very eye opening.
Excellent break down
What’s the name of the song in this moment? 0:35 - 1:04
Sweet dreams
So useful! Thanks
You should invite Director of Somebody else -1975 music video Tim mattia or Jodeb. They cut everyting in different time and spaces. Kind a very unique way to make things
Subscribed, Thanks!!
Wow, what a great insight!
inadvertedly spoiled kinds of kindness for myself BUT the video was worth it ;-;
this is perfection
oh snap , you owe me $50 sir !!! lol great video , lots of insight . Im not a creator but I do love films and writing good stories. This stuff will come in handy.
i was not ready for that first scene oh my GOD! its somehow what im NOT seeing thats making me squirm in my chair and then the quick cut to the thumb is just brutal man what the fuckkkkk
most of what i have been taught is to cut cut cut keep peoples attention people have short attention spans. this is like completely the opposite of that advice so how would you take this information and apply it? just looking for others ideas and to start a conversation on the video.
I love what you got to show here and enjoy what you have to say. Really good stuff. One note just maybe from me... but SPOILERS? LOL. I have not had a chance get to Kind of Kindness yet and wow!!! yes this sc is amazing and i'm in it.. but spoiler maybe LOL. Keep up the good stuff all in all.
The only problem i have with this is she's cutting off her thumb with the TIP of the knife instead of the middle, you have much less control and leverage if you cut with the tip
1:10 What movie is this?
Kinds of Kindness
😂
For film i am totally agree but what about reel and content of 30 second
I always thought that editing follows the script. So how would the director or the DP know to film the flashbacks if it's not in the script? I gotta go find that script now.
Love it 💚💚
THANK YOUUUUUUUUUUU :)
Thank you ❤
YES. YES. YES.
First time here...
Holy hell what a way to rope me in and make me sub+bell.
40% RUclips commercials cuts, 10% Mubi commercials talk and 50% of Your Podcast....
Brilliant.
What's the name of the films
Superb 👌🏼✨
This is how film schools should be instead of boring af for 2 semesters and then dull and flat during some actual hands on basic crap.
This is epic 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
Thats Mubi ad was funny
I can not believe I can watch this for free
"don't cut" is also solid advice for emma stone in that movie!