Listening to a police chief talk about accountability considering the lack of accountability for law enforcement is just hypocritical. It's not about safety and protecting the public. It's all about the revenue. It's also about justifying and keeping the law enforcement/legal system propped up.
@@georgewallace4457 I agree... I've been telling people this for The Longest. For there to be a crime, you must have a victim. In a Traffic Stop; where's the Victim ? Who got hurt ? Where's The Property Damage ? There's none ! This goes to show you; all Traffic Stops are Government Corruption ! We need to DEFUND THE POLICE ! Shut down The Whole Police Traffic Division completely across America ! Police Officers get paid to chase and arrest criminals ! Traffic Stops are NOT crimes ! All Traffic Stops are a VIOLATION of The Constitution ! You have The Right to travel freely on State and City Highways and Streets, without being molested by Government Officials, unless you've committed a crime. I heard a police officer once say; Traffic Stops are civil matters. Well there you go. If Traffic Stops are civil matters, police officers don't get involved with civil matters. Police Officers only handle crime !
They investigated themselves and found that they committed no wrongdoing. To be fair, I'd do the same. I mean, you know, if we were all allowed to investigate ourselves, no one would be in prison.
I heard about a law in place ? Or being advocated that says just like if your in a car with friends and someone kills someone in act of crime ..all are responsible..so if other officers see improper and or illegal things being done by other officers and don’t do their fiduciary duty to report a crime ..any crime done by anyone they can be held responsible and liable…in this day and age of cameras that would have to straighten up….love to see that in every state..
@@keithrosenberg5486 don't worry about the odd liberal meat-heads on here .. .they always used big words like never and always ... they will go away once their mac and cheese is ready
Really? I see this all the time. You do realize that when they act outside the color of the law they lose their qualified immunity. …and this happens more than most know. No one likes bad cops, this includes police departments.
I like how its always accountability for citizens, but never ever for those that need to be held accountable and to the great proclaimed standard we hardly ever see. Copsplaining this crap won't make it more believing... if you don't have accountability for those in position, don't expect it from those without a position.
It has never been about safety, it has always been about revenue. A traffic ticket is multiplied 400% or more and that money goes to the city that writes the ticket.
They cities and law enforcement are incentivized to criminalize more and levee larger and larger fines & fees. This sort of change to the law is long overdue. These streets and roads are paid for and belong to the people, not the cops.
you say that until you are the victim of a traffic violator. driving is a privilege and not a right so hitting someone in the pocket book is a way of discouraging bad driving behaviors.
@@larrygaal4808 I've been the victim of a traffic violator. Most people probably have. But the weird thing about morally bankrupt criminal types is that they don't follow the law anyway. All you do is grow the government and limit the liberty of the good people. This is why so much time and energy is spent by the government and their media on terrifying people. For them, it's marketing. Wouldn't more education (like in Europe) be a better solution for otherwise good people? And why don't they make the roads better and safer like cars have become? Because car companies have to compete in a free market and government doesn't. Their desire for genuine safety is an inch thick and a mile wide.
@@larrygaal4808 you missed the point. It is not about hitting the pocket book of traffic violators, it's about the PD and courts using petty violations to extract large amount of revenue from the people so they can spend such revenue on unnecessary, extravagant, wasteful, and luxurious expenditures. Which in turn leads to the poor class having their lives ruined (jail), overloading the criminal justice system which leads to various problems for example serious crimes such as violent crimes getting back logged.
@@larrygaal4808 Nonsense although it is said a lot. The Supreme Court said, "Driving is not a mere privilege which may be prohibited or permitted at will, but a common right one has under ones right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness." Much more to this, Thompson vs. Smith, 154 SE 579, Constitutional law, Sec. 329, Page 1135, and many more. It's a right that can be suspended but it's a demonstrated required forfeiture and not a suspended or denied privilege. Citizens are not children under the custodial care of the government.
Two wrongs don't make a right... police should be held to a higher standard than citizens... yet we let them slide. I've called in to report cops doing bad things as a concerned citizen. I request they get their superior to call me back. I've had a couple of interesting conversations with them over stupidity. Don't be afraid to call them out, and don't be a "someone else will" - get involved yourself if you don't like what the police are doing. Go to the city council meetings, go talk with the police chief, get them to understand that we are watching and we don't like what we see. I have, and do, and will continue to. That all said, there has to be a mechanism to get the unsafe drivers off the street. This is a bad law.
In the same county the mayor of Kansas City says there is no room for arrestees. But this chief says we need to arrest non violent misdemeanors? These officials in this county need to communicate with one another. This all happened on the same newscast as well. What a joke
Police don't make laws. They also don't represent people. So I think that they just need to shut up and do whatever the lawmakers, on the people's behalf, decide.
This chief seriously needs to look in the mirror. Nobody breaks traffic laws more than cops. Their logic is " I have to break the law to enforce the law ".
A cop talking about accountability and consequences for your actions ??? When a cop does something wrong, they try and hide behind qualified immunity, investigating themselves, and district attorneys that won't charge them. Cops talking about accountability is about as hypocritical as it gets.
So does he feel the same about consequences for police officers who violate the rights of the people, and or when his officers break the law in their duties, or this just for the none Blue Lives.
Neither the police chief or any other officers should have any concerns or say about any new traffic laws since they are so conveniently above and beyond those laws.
Why is the only consequence jail? There are plenty of punishments that can be done short of jail. You can suspend the license, ban any registration of vehicles owned by the offender, notify the insurance company who covers the offending vehicle, garnish wages, seize assets, ban the offender from purchasing a new vehicle, etc. Eventually something will annoy the offender enough to pay the ticket.
We should have a "citizen's patrol" that polices the police for their traffic infractions not involving an emergency. The fines fund the patrol. No guns needed because the police should be compliant, right?
@@Godsbaebi I've seen the auditors. I'm talking having the right to pull police over for traffic infractions when they are not on an emergency call i.e. not using their emergency lights.
Maybe they should stop bothering people about victimless crimes. And what the hell is going on with Malik. Every time he talks it's like he's interviewing for a high school theater club
@@commonuser-2554 you going to need to site your source on that. How specifically does somebody else driving faster than you hurt you. Remember the word hurt has a meaning. It is specific and articulable. You and the police need to mind your own fucking business how fast other people are driving. If there's not a crash there's not a victim
Victimless crimes? Are you sure? Do you look at the news ? In 2022…..approx 43,000 people died in car accidents…..as a nurse I’ve SEEN too many innocent people dying, many became hero’s and donated life to another person. sadly, driving stupid doesn’t just affect the person doing it!!! Wake up. Look at the news. Maybe you think dying in a car wreck is somehow “moral” compared to other needless deaths? Maybe one day when it affects YOU OR YOUR LOVED ONES will you change your tune. Someone blasting down the road can hit a rock, or hole, debris, stranded cars, glass, dead animals, etc……or someone changing lanes right when they come blasting by and then it’s over!!! Give those innocent souls a fast answer to “victimless crimes”
I've seen multiple police officers violate traffic laws. I've seen videos on people confronting police for violation traffic laws. When confronted, they either don't care or abuse their authority to cite them for something.
Whats ridiculous in most of these cities, independence included, where i live is, they have several 4 lane hiways intentionally marked 30 or 35 mph just so they can sit there and give out speeding tickets knowing it should be atleast 45 on the hiways if not more.
Pretty much all speed limits are arbitrarily set low to make it easier to write tickets. If it's a state hwy you can call MODOT and request a speed study. The speed limit should be set at what 85% of the people are driving. I managed to get 2 speed limits raised and the cops stopped setting up traps on the other.
So putting people in jail for traffic violations Is more important than drug/human trafficking, burglary, and murder? Cause i see more of that than anything. There are certain points where traffic offenses become arrestable; including wreckless driving, driving without a license, and driving while suspended. Jailing people for their inability to pay a civic debt borders on becoming a debtor's prison.... which were outlawed in 1833.
I would like to read the bill in its entirety. If gets rid of bench warrants for non-appearance, but does it rid of points on driver's licenses? Does it get rid of ...or make it easier for unpaid tickets to screw with credit history? How will it loom in an employer's background check upon the consideration of a new job candidate? Remember when many people thought what they posted on social media...could never be used against them for getting a job, an apartment...credit card...etc...It has become standard practice now for employers to include social networking reviews in the potential hire's background checks. Agree or not... that's okay. But, if someone thinks that they will never have to worry about a traffic ticket again...might want to think twice because we live in a petty, vengeful society and it still could come back and kick you where it hurts.
It doesn't make the job harder. However, it does allow traffic offenders to continue offending without consequences, which may eventually result in injuries to others.
Yet another opportunity for people to not take accountability for their actions. Stupid bill, I doubt it will last long. IF you think this is a good idea, you are obviously an offender and an idiot as well.
If you watch enough videos of people getting arrested and the DAs office just throwing their cases out... dismissing all charges---charges worse than a minor driving issue. One will quickly see It has only gotten worse the last few years... and it is the taxpayers that foot the bill for all of it. So, let's just throw more crap to the wall and see what sticks.
People, keep in mind ; All Traffic Stops are a VIOLATION of The Constitution ! Traffic Stops are NOT crimes ! You don't go to jail or prison for Traffic Stops ! You have The Right to travel freely on State and City Highways and Streets without being molested by Government Officials. Unless you've committed a crime. Traffic Stops are NOT crimes !
Traffic Code not law ! It's A Civil Infraction not a law volition. NO Warrant Shall Be Issued With out PROBABLE CAUSE , Affidavit AND SWORN TESTIMONY OF THE VICTIM. !!! SO WHO IS VICTIM OF TRAFFIC INFARCTION ?????
I didn’t know cops were only around for traffic? I thought their job was to uphold all laws? Seems like all cops just focus on traffic and not on anything else!
So if the person does not show up to court and no warrant is issued, I'm guessing it will show up when they go to renew their license. And will not be able to renew until the tickets are payed.
Dmv & insurance will be their punishment. You lose license or insurance now you can't drive & driving without those is an arrest in most states so the police get what they want eventually 😅
But then won’t they just continue driving on a revoked or suspended license or tag which again is another traffic offense?where is the incisive to follow the law then?
Well Chief Dustman, Why do you think it is ok to arrest or this but actively prevent accountability in your own department. Are you a hypocrite? Why yes you are.
Ejection the supreme Court has ruled it is not the job of the officers for your safety if it's not their job did it means its monetary funds for the city any victims am I still out affidavit under penalty and perjury is the victims job not the cities all tickets with with money involved is a bill of attainder and it is unconstitutional on its face of course they lied to the people they say it's a contract but all contract when forced upon you is null and void the city makes 100 million dollars but what about the victim I bet there's not a hundred million dollars to them
I think there should be a distinction between regular traffic ticket and criminal traffic offenses and offenders Someone who has multiple DUI is a criminal and if are not following rules of court ,,probation..than a warrant should be issued but not for a minor infraction,,letters ,and sanctions should suffice
I agree, we should get rid of qualified immunity. That gives absolutely no accountability for police officers that decide to violate the constitution and commit crimes. That's what we're talking about right?
Good report Will. Makes Law Enforcement's job 'harder'? No one is forcing anyone to remain in a job that is too hard for them. Anyone that does not like or agree with the legislation can and should go about effecting change by the legal means available. In this case it would be referendum. And why not ask the people you promised to serve Chief? Does this have anything to do with a revenue stream? The Chief talks about adding more to the proverbial plates, but what he says makes NO sense. Why Dustman wants to have it back to the way it used to be can only be the Almighty Dollar. The Chief could not care less about 'where we go as a society'. He cares about having his agencies meal ticket taken away from him. A legitimate concern to be sure. Especially owing to the fact that the court awards from lawsuits against excessive force are getting more frequent with bigger dollar values. One out-of-control maniac cop can cost a community hundreds of thousands of dollars. Eventually the courts are going to allow prosecutors to go after the cops personally. Qualified Immunity be damned. I suggest going after the people and institutions that train the police candidates. This is the source of a lot of the problem . . . but I digress. Good luck Chief. Not an enviable position to be in. Thanks.
What is supposed to be bad about this law? It removes the person from the concern that a simple traffic ticket can destroy their life with warrants for their arrest. This relegates the ticket to being paid. I would think that the police would rather not have to pick people up for traffic tickets.
I agree taking drivers licenses, high fines, and jail time for traffic infractions is pure evil. Need to get rid of seat belt laws. Also, the police literally use it to harass the public and take your right to travel free on public roads that the taxpayers not the police pay for.
Well... I was going to rant about "qualified immunity" but, It looks like every comment before me has that covered in spades! Well done informed citizens! Well done!
This chief sound dumb how is a expired tag or a broken tail keeping the streets safe cause yall seem to always harrass the wrong people u miss the people committing real crimes just to get the person who has a bad tag lmao
They work hard to keep the poor poor and they protect the 1% and their money. Just compare the percentage of rapes they solve to the percentage of bank robberies they solve and you will see that the police work to keep the 1% on top.
Because if you protest they will put a bunch of charges on you and if you say I don't care I can afford an attorney and pay my tickets they will say we will keep on coming by
Today, it's all about the revenue .When the economy is good, you don't see a lot of people pulled over. Sales tax generates the revenue. When the economy is bad, You see people pulled over a lot more. Especially around the 1st and 15th. The State will get there money.
The poor are less likely to be able to pay a fine for something minor that doesn’t matter. But courts will and do ruin your life if you are poor and can’t pay or fight
There are a couple problems when it comes to traffic violations. People can pay the fine or they can ask for a hearing. Now I think about this for a second, I watched a live court case where an individual was being charged with stealing $50 worth of merchandise. Now this has nothing to do with a traffic violation with the following exception, the judge in the case said that even though this involved only $50, having this hearing and having the witnesses ( police officers testify) cost that municipality over $2000 in court costs that they can’t recover. So if this is what happens when someone wants a hearing, how many of these can the city or municipality stand to have in front of a judge. Wouldn’t it be better if they had a few opportunities to pay for the infraction or lose their driving privileges something that can be done electronically without involving a hearing and everything that goes with it. In this particular municipality, if there is a traffic infraction and the defendant asks for a hearing, to save money remember the police officers testifying, the district attorney/prosecutor reduces the charges and the individual ends up paying a small fine but there are still court costs they can’t recover. There’s always more than two sides to a story.
I seen Kcmo ambulance on 291 headed towards Liberty where their lights and sirens is on pass me and then later I passed them. They had their lights and sirens on to go to Andy’s ice cream that should be against the law just to put your lights and sirens on so you can get through to to go get ice cream.
We should also pass a law where anyone getting stopped/fined for using their phone, gets to have their ticket immediately declared null and void if the cop stopping them has a phone, radio, laptop computer, Gameboy or any other distraction in the front seat of their car.
No one should be arrested for a simple traffic violation. But if their bad driving rises to the level of criminal behavior, or if someone gets injured due to deliberate misbehavior behind the wheel (street racing, drunk driving, etc.), then all bets should be off.
Is driving without a license a traffic infraction? Seems all these citations could be used to suspend a drivers license. If no license or driving suspended is only an infraction, then you might as well stop working traffic. Wasting your time. The honest citizens who infrequently violates traffic laws will say opps, and pay their fine, others will push it, see what happens.
Not issuing a WARRANT for unpaid traffic ticket makes sense. The person will need to show up to court or will lost by default and have to pay the ticket. If they don't their license will be suspended. Not issuing warrants saves time and money for the courts and LE
The system is designed to keep people off the road that should not be on the road. But my problem with the system is that a minor traffic offense can compound into you losing your license being in jail having all these finds that you can't pay. There's way too many people below the poverty line they get a minor traffic offense and end up in the system for years.
Accountability ended when qualified immunity began. Every argument the clown made can be mirrored and provides an accurate description of policing today….. lack of or no accountability.
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Listening to a police chief talk about accountability considering the lack of accountability for law enforcement is just hypocritical. It's not about safety and protecting the public. It's all about the revenue. It's also about justifying and keeping the law enforcement/legal system propped up.
No victim; no crime. It's all about the $$.
@@georgewallace4457 I agree... I've been telling people this for The Longest. For there to be a crime, you must have a victim.
In a Traffic Stop; where's the Victim ? Who got hurt ? Where's The Property Damage ? There's none ! This goes to show you; all Traffic Stops are Government Corruption ! We need to DEFUND THE POLICE !
Shut down The Whole Police Traffic Division completely across America !
Police Officers get paid to chase and arrest criminals !
Traffic Stops are NOT crimes !
All Traffic Stops are a VIOLATION of The Constitution !
You have The Right to travel freely on State and City Highways and Streets, without being molested by Government Officials, unless you've committed a crime.
I heard a police officer once say; Traffic Stops are civil matters. Well there you go. If Traffic Stops are civil matters, police officers don't get involved with civil matters. Police Officers only handle crime !
so what happens to cops when they break the law and nothing is done about it. what message are we saying to them and accountability.
They investigated themselves and found that they committed no wrongdoing. To be fair, I'd do the same. I mean, you know, if we were all allowed to investigate ourselves, no one would be in prison.
That it is US again THEM.
I heard about a law in place ? Or being advocated that says just like if your in a car with friends and someone kills someone in act of crime ..all are responsible..so if other officers see improper and or illegal things being done by other officers and don’t do their fiduciary duty to report a crime ..any crime done by anyone they can be held responsible and liable…in this day and age of cameras that would have to straighten up….love to see that in every state..
They are sovereign criminals
What about accountability from the police themselves. We NEVER see them account for bad cops or their mistakes.
You can't have that man , because then we wouldn't have any police😂😂😂😂😂😂
oh please -- drop the liberal crap.
@@keithrosenberg5486 don't worry about the odd liberal meat-heads on here .. .they always used big words like never and always ... they will go away once their mac and cheese is ready
@@PoolsideData oh please -- drop the childish name calling and ad hominems and make an intellegent rebuttle.
The person that wrote the new law needs there head examined
The idea of a police officer talking about accountability when they have qualified immunity is just so rich.
That was my first thought exactly.
Really? I see this all the time. You do realize that when they act outside the color of the law they lose their qualified immunity. …and this happens more than most know. No one likes bad cops, this includes police departments.
They want the public to believe they're infallible.
@@WH0oo... The courts have persuaded them that they are infallible.
I like how its always accountability for citizens, but never ever for those that need to be held accountable and to the great proclaimed standard we hardly ever see. Copsplaining this crap won't make it more believing... if you don't have accountability for those in position, don't expect it from those without a position.
Cops are professional hypocrites who want strict accountability for everyone except themselves.
It has never been about safety, it has always been about revenue. A traffic ticket is multiplied 400% or more and that money goes to the city that writes the ticket.
They cities and law enforcement are incentivized to criminalize more and levee larger and larger fines & fees. This sort of change to the law is long overdue. These streets and roads are paid for and belong to the people, not the cops.
you say that until you are the victim of a traffic violator. driving is a privilege and not a right so hitting someone in the pocket book is a way of discouraging bad driving behaviors.
@@larrygaal4808 I've been the victim of a traffic violator. Most people probably have. But the weird thing about morally bankrupt criminal types is that they don't follow the law anyway. All you do is grow the government and limit the liberty of the good people. This is why so much time and energy is spent by the government and their media on terrifying people. For them, it's marketing. Wouldn't more education (like in Europe) be a better solution for otherwise good people? And why don't they make the roads better and safer like cars have become? Because car companies have to compete in a free market and government doesn't. Their desire for genuine safety is an inch thick and a mile wide.
@@larrygaal4808 you missed the point. It is not about hitting the pocket book of traffic violators, it's about the PD and courts using petty violations to extract large amount of revenue from the people so they can spend such revenue on unnecessary, extravagant, wasteful, and luxurious expenditures. Which in turn leads to the poor class having their lives ruined (jail), overloading the criminal justice system which leads to various problems for example serious crimes such as violent crimes getting back logged.
@@larrygaal4808 Nonsense although it is said a lot. The Supreme Court said, "Driving is not a mere privilege which may be prohibited or permitted at will, but a common right one has under ones right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness." Much more to this, Thompson vs. Smith, 154 SE 579, Constitutional law, Sec. 329, Page 1135, and many more. It's a right that can be suspended but it's a demonstrated required forfeiture and not a suspended or denied privilege. Citizens are not children under the custodial care of the government.
How about consequences for police?
Two wrongs don't make a right... police should be held to a higher standard than citizens... yet we let them slide. I've called in to report cops doing bad things as a concerned citizen. I request they get their superior to call me back. I've had a couple of interesting conversations with them over stupidity. Don't be afraid to call them out, and don't be a "someone else will" - get involved yourself if you don't like what the police are doing. Go to the city council meetings, go talk with the police chief, get them to understand that we are watching and we don't like what we see. I have, and do, and will continue to.
That all said, there has to be a mechanism to get the unsafe drivers off the street. This is a bad law.
In the same county the mayor of Kansas City says there is no room for arrestees. But this chief says we need to arrest non violent misdemeanors? These officials in this county need to communicate with one another. This all happened on the same newscast as well. What a joke
Police don't make laws. They also don't represent people. So I think that they just need to shut up and do whatever the lawmakers, on the people's behalf, decide.
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I don't understand why they can't just comply!!!
@@saber005 This seems to be the source of great confusion for bad cops everywhere.
there just mad cause it gives them less power to violate peoples rights.period!
facts.
This chief seriously needs to look in the mirror. Nobody breaks traffic laws more than cops. Their logic is " I have to break the law to enforce the law ".
Why is the chief trying to make criminals out of simple traffic violations?
God forbid cops can't drag people out of a car and throw them in a cage for not being able to pay for a sticker or something😂
Fewer reasons for pretextual stops and opportunites to violate people's rights.
A cop talking about accountability and consequences for your actions ??? When a cop does something wrong, they try and hide behind qualified immunity, investigating themselves, and district attorneys that won't charge them. Cops talking about accountability is about as hypocritical as it gets.
So does he feel the same about consequences for police officers who violate the rights of the people, and or when his officers break the law in their duties, or this just for the none Blue Lives.
Neither the police chief or any other officers should have any concerns or say about any new traffic laws since they are so conveniently above and beyond those laws.
But then they have absolutely NO accountability
Why is the only consequence jail? There are plenty of punishments that can be done short of jail. You can suspend the license, ban any registration of vehicles owned by the offender, notify the insurance company who covers the offending vehicle, garnish wages, seize assets, ban the offender from purchasing a new vehicle, etc. Eventually something will annoy the offender enough to pay the ticket.
Exactly
Or add the fine on the next years tags
People v. Battle, traffic infractions are not crimes and are deemed unconstitutional no victim no crime
We should have a "citizen's patrol" that polices the police for their traffic infractions not involving an emergency. The fines fund the patrol. No guns needed because the police should be compliant, right?
Now you know why repressive governments harass folks for recording cops & tape over your video doorbell before...
We do, they are called auditors. Lots of videos on RUclips
@@Godsbaebi I've seen the auditors. I'm talking having the right to pull police over for traffic infractions when they are not on an emergency call i.e. not using their emergency lights.
Auditors..
@@fivestringplus1 citizens arrest?
Maybe they should stop bothering people about victimless crimes.
And what the hell is going on with Malik. Every time he talks it's like he's interviewing for a high school theater club
It’s not victimless if it hurts people.
@@commonuser-2554 you going to need to site your source on that. How specifically does somebody else driving faster than you hurt you. Remember the word hurt has a meaning. It is specific and articulable. You and the police need to mind your own fucking business how fast other people are driving. If there's not a crash there's not a victim
@@commonuser-2554 The laws are whats been hurting people. Citizens have been being made victims of the bureaucracy, and it needs to stop.
@@billycroan2336 would you say the same about people who drive while intoxicated? Genuinely asking
Victimless crimes? Are you sure? Do you look at the news ? In 2022…..approx 43,000 people died in car accidents…..as a nurse I’ve SEEN too many innocent people dying, many became hero’s and donated life to another person. sadly, driving stupid doesn’t just affect the person doing it!!! Wake up. Look at the news. Maybe you think dying in a car wreck is somehow “moral” compared to other needless deaths? Maybe one day when it affects YOU OR YOUR LOVED ONES will you change your tune. Someone blasting down the road can hit a rock, or hole, debris, stranded cars, glass, dead animals, etc……or someone changing lanes right when they come blasting by and then it’s over!!! Give those innocent souls a fast answer to “victimless crimes”
Revenue generation is hard
Cops have certain immunities but I don't. *Therefore, I am held to a higher standard than a cop.*
Racketeering and extortion
Are not vocations they are crimes
Bet he doesn’t like it when his officer’s are held accountable.
I've seen multiple police officers violate traffic laws. I've seen videos on people confronting police for violation traffic laws. When confronted, they either don't care or abuse their authority to cite them for something.
wonder how the chief feels about abuse of qualified immunity..
Whats ridiculous in most of these cities, independence included, where i live is, they have several 4 lane hiways intentionally marked 30 or 35 mph just so they can sit there and give out speeding tickets knowing it should be atleast 45 on the hiways if not more.
Pretty much all speed limits are arbitrarily set low to make it easier to write tickets. If it's a state hwy you can call MODOT and request a speed study. The speed limit should be set at what 85% of the people are driving. I managed to get 2 speed limits raised and the cops stopped setting up traps on the other.
So putting people in jail for traffic violations Is more important than drug/human trafficking, burglary, and murder? Cause i see more of that than anything. There are certain points where traffic offenses become arrestable; including wreckless driving, driving without a license, and driving while suspended. Jailing people for their inability to pay a civic debt borders on becoming a debtor's prison.... which were outlawed in 1833.
It seems like suspension of the driver's license is the obvious solution here.. I wonder why no one is doing that?
@@benguenschebut that is a another traffic offense. So if they didn’t follow the law about traffic why would they care if they are suspended/revoked?
@@Chiefsfan98 well this only makes sense if driving with a suspended license is an on-the-spot arrestable offense
I would like to read the bill in its entirety. If gets rid of bench warrants for non-appearance, but does it rid of points on driver's licenses? Does it get rid of ...or make it easier for unpaid tickets to screw with credit history? How will it loom in an employer's background check upon the consideration of a new job candidate? Remember when many people thought what they posted on social media...could never be used against them for getting a job, an apartment...credit card...etc...It has become standard practice now for employers to include social networking reviews in the potential hire's background checks. Agree or not... that's okay. But, if someone thinks that they will never have to worry about a traffic ticket again...might want to think twice because we live in a petty, vengeful society and it still could come back and kick you where it hurts.
Traffic violations aren't crimes, they are ordinances and policies. Crime has a victim and the city or state cannot be a victim.
Well if they're overburdened in the court systems stop handing out bogus tickets.
Only a tyrant would say what that police chief said.
😂 he's still going to get his quota no matter what he's just upset he's not going to get that extra money from the tickets.
It is the right balance and if it makes your job harder it just makes your job harder !!! Welcome to advance citizenship !!!
It doesn't make the job harder. However, it does allow traffic offenders to continue offending without consequences, which may eventually result in injuries to others.
Yet another opportunity for people to not take accountability for their actions. Stupid bill, I doubt it will last long. IF you think this is a good idea, you are obviously an offender and an idiot as well.
If you watch enough videos of people getting arrested and the DAs office just throwing their cases out... dismissing all charges---charges worse than a minor driving issue. One will quickly see It has only gotten worse the last few years... and it is the taxpayers that foot the bill for all of it. So, let's just throw more crap to the wall and see what sticks.
@@doubledforgeabsolutely! And often criminal offense without consequences can lead to worse, emboldened crimes.
People, keep in mind ;
All Traffic Stops are a VIOLATION of The Constitution !
Traffic Stops are NOT crimes !
You don't go to jail or prison for Traffic Stops !
You have The Right to travel freely on State and City Highways and Streets without being molested by Government Officials. Unless you've committed a crime.
Traffic Stops are NOT crimes !
Don't trust anyone in $200 sunglasses.
The People have Spoken and agree that Bum Policing needs to be curbed
No wonder they're pissed, now they can't get their whole city budget from traffic tickets.
Traffic Code not law ! It's A Civil Infraction not a law volition. NO Warrant Shall Be Issued With out PROBABLE CAUSE , Affidavit AND SWORN TESTIMONY OF THE VICTIM. !!! SO WHO IS VICTIM OF TRAFFIC INFARCTION ?????
There are quite a few videos of Independence Police that shows a department with ZERO ACCOUNTABILITY!!!
It's going to hinder their efforts to put people in jail for their unlawful traffic stops.
Well do something about the habitual dwi offenders
I didn’t know cops were only around for traffic? I thought their job was to uphold all laws?
Seems like all cops just focus on traffic and not on anything else!
So if the person does not show up to court and no warrant is issued, I'm guessing it will show up when they go to renew their license. And will not be able to renew until the tickets are payed.
Great idea.
Dmv & insurance will be their punishment. You lose license or insurance now you can't drive & driving without those is an arrest in most states so the police get what they want eventually 😅
But then won’t they just continue driving on a revoked or suspended license or tag which again is another traffic offense?where is the incisive to follow the law then?
A cop complaining about lack of accountability is rich. Wonder how many of his officers he's ever really held accountable for their actions.
I like the new law
Abolish qualified, judicial and prosecuratorial immunity. Abolish police unions. Abolish the fraternal order of police and citizens united.
Well Chief Dustman, Why do you think it is ok to arrest or this but actively prevent accountability in your own department. Are you a hypocrite? Why yes you are.
Ejection the supreme Court has ruled it is not the job of the officers for your safety if it's not their job did it means its monetary funds for the city any victims am I still out affidavit under penalty and perjury is the victims job not the cities all tickets with with money involved is a bill of attainder and it is unconstitutional on its face of course they lied to the people they say it's a contract but all contract when forced upon you is null and void the city makes 100 million dollars but what about the victim I bet there's not a hundred million dollars to them
I think there should be a distinction between regular traffic ticket and criminal traffic offenses and offenders
Someone who has multiple DUI is a criminal and if are not following rules of court ,,probation..than a warrant should be issued but not for a minor infraction,,letters ,and sanctions should suffice
Cops honest like politicians
When you bring accountability to the blue line then we'll talk. You tube videos suggest this comment isn't out of line with reality.
I agree, we should get rid of qualified immunity. That gives absolutely no accountability for police officers that decide to violate the constitution and commit crimes. That's what we're talking about right?
This is crap for them to assume we can keep up. We can't.
Good. Maybe there will be less road piracy: How many PDs and municipalities are funded by ticket revenue?
Good report Will. Makes Law Enforcement's job 'harder'? No one is forcing anyone to remain in a job that is too hard for them. Anyone that does not like or agree with the legislation can and should go about effecting change by the legal means available. In this case it would be referendum. And why not ask the people you promised to serve Chief? Does this have anything to do with a revenue stream? The Chief talks about adding more to the proverbial plates, but what he says makes NO sense. Why Dustman wants to have it back to the way it used to be can only be the Almighty Dollar. The Chief could not care less about 'where we go as a society'. He cares about having his agencies meal ticket taken away from him. A legitimate concern to be sure. Especially owing to the fact that the court awards from lawsuits against excessive force are getting more frequent with bigger dollar values. One out-of-control maniac cop can cost a community hundreds of thousands of dollars. Eventually the courts are going to allow prosecutors to go after the cops personally. Qualified Immunity be damned. I suggest going after the people and institutions that train the police candidates. This is the source of a lot of the problem . . . but I digress. Good luck Chief. Not an enviable position to be in. Thanks.
In other words, cops and municipality may lose revenue
Upholding our rights an constitution 😮😂
What is supposed to be bad about this law? It removes the person from the concern that a simple traffic ticket can destroy their life with warrants for their arrest. This relegates the ticket to being paid. I would think that the police would rather not have to pick people up for traffic tickets.
I agree taking drivers licenses, high fines, and jail time for traffic infractions is pure evil. Need to get rid of seat belt laws. Also, the police literally use it to harass the public and take your right to travel free on public roads that the taxpayers not the police pay for.
California laws are slowing coming this way
Hearing police talk about accountability is a joke. Yall investigate yourselves and clear yourselves every time.
Am I the only one who thinks this reporter sounds like Martin Luther King?
Lots of money is made on them tickets
Well... I was going to rant about "qualified immunity" but, It looks like every comment before me has that covered in spades! Well done informed citizens! Well done!
FTA failure to appear is the money maker in all courts.
You should talk about your officer's actions an consequences.
In independence you get arrested and beaten for simply trying to pay property tax.
Thumbs down for ad's and not paying me to view them
Just be clear, is it about traffic safety or revenue?
You are not going to jail for a traffic violation, you are going to jail for failing to appear in court. That is 2 different things.
I wouldn't want you to be put in a cage for either of those things.
@tomgrimm1141 how dumb are you, you clearly don't comprehend
@@anthonyware4033 Not as dumb as people who protect the biggest criminals around the police. You must be one of them Trump U. Valedictorians.
the real concern is financial
This chief sound dumb how is a expired tag or a broken tail keeping the streets safe cause yall seem to always harrass the wrong people u miss the people committing real crimes just to get the person who has a bad tag lmao
They work hard to keep the poor poor and they protect the 1% and their money. Just compare the percentage of rapes they solve to the percentage of bank robberies they solve and you will see that the police work to keep the 1% on top.
Why would anyone ever show up to court to pay a fine or plead guilty or innocent. Simple ignore the tickets. Zero accountability. Crazy !!!!!
Because if you protest they will put a bunch of charges on you and if you say I don't care I can afford an attorney and pay my tickets they will say we will keep on coming by
News reporter got the best voice in the nation 😂😂
Violate the law such as police violate the law ?
Today, it's all about the revenue .When the economy is good, you don't see a lot of people pulled over. Sales tax generates the revenue.
When the economy is bad, You see people pulled over a lot more. Especially around the 1st and 15th. The State will get there money.
lol you can always put a lien on my hoopty🤣
They want full jails so no room exists for the big fish...
There's other methods to ensure revenue generating is allowed to continue....
I'm with you Chief !! Enforce the laws !!
The poor are less likely to be able to pay a fine for something minor that doesn’t matter. But courts will and do ruin your life if you are poor and can’t pay or fight
If you don’t pay your fines they used to suspend your license , now it goes to a collections agency. Weak.
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“Citizens should be left alone absent good reason” - Joe Gruters (R) 💯💯💯💯💯💯💯💯💯💯💯💯
There are a couple problems when it comes to traffic violations. People can pay the fine or they can ask for a hearing. Now I think about this for a second, I watched a live court case where an individual was being charged with stealing $50 worth of merchandise. Now this has nothing to do with a traffic violation with the following exception, the judge in the case said that even though this involved only $50, having this hearing and having the witnesses ( police officers testify) cost that municipality over $2000 in court costs that they can’t recover. So if this is what happens when someone wants a hearing, how many of these can the city or municipality stand to have in front of a judge. Wouldn’t it be better if they had a few opportunities to pay for the infraction or lose their driving privileges something that can be done electronically without involving a hearing and everything that goes with it.
In this particular municipality, if there is a traffic infraction and the defendant asks for a hearing, to save money remember the police officers testifying, the district attorney/prosecutor reduces the charges and the individual ends up paying a small fine but there are still court costs they can’t recover. There’s always more than two sides to a story.
We are slaves more laws than we need they get to pick whatever law was passed in secret then wait here so we can find a law we broke 🎉
I seen Kcmo ambulance on 291 headed towards Liberty where their lights and sirens is on pass me and then later I passed them. They had their lights and sirens on to go to Andy’s ice cream that should be against the law just to put your lights and sirens on so you can get through to to go get ice cream.
Accountability? That’s the pot calling the kettle black
We should also pass a law where anyone getting stopped/fined for using their phone, gets to have their ticket immediately declared null and void if the cop stopping them has a phone, radio, laptop computer, Gameboy or any other distraction in the front seat of their car.
It hurts a for profit businesses bottom line
What Judge Is a Lawyer First in Municipal Courts ?
No one should be arrested for a simple traffic violation. But if their bad driving rises to the level of criminal behavior, or if someone gets injured due to deliberate misbehavior behind the wheel (street racing, drunk driving, etc.), then all bets should be off.
Sounds like a great law idk 🤷🏿♀️ ?
Is driving without a license a traffic infraction? Seems all these citations could be used to suspend a drivers license. If no license or driving suspended is only an infraction, then you might as well stop working traffic. Wasting your time. The honest citizens who infrequently violates traffic laws will say opps, and pay their fine, others will push it, see what happens.
Not issuing a WARRANT for unpaid traffic ticket makes sense. The person will need to show up to court or will lost by default and have to pay the ticket. If they don't their license will be suspended. Not issuing warrants saves time and money for the courts and LE
So what is the "right and wrong" justice for crap, out of control cops that terrorizes its citizens in your precinct ??
The system is designed to keep people off the road that should not be on the road. But my problem with the system is that a minor traffic offense can compound into you losing your license being in jail having all these finds that you can't pay. There's way too many people below the poverty line they get a minor traffic offense and end up in the system for years.
Accountability ended when qualified immunity began. Every argument the clown made can be mirrored and provides an accurate description of policing today….. lack of or no accountability.