Chrome Painting Lures with Spaz Stix Mirror Chrome, Testing Spaz Stix Clear Coat
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- Опубликовано: 3 июл 2024
- I have tested Spaz Stix Chrome before and I have tested every clear coat I use over it but, I have not tested the Spaz Stix Clear Coat. It's always disappointing when you Chrome a hand made lure only to have it turn dull and grey after you clear coat. I have found work-arounds that help keep the chrome shine but, I have not tried the Spaz Stix clear. If you like to paint lures and use chrome finishes this video will interest you.
I'm a cosplay armor maker and this info about the chrome spaz stix and the clear coat has been so helpful, thank you for sharing this!
Glad it was helpful!
Great information there, well done.
I was looking for this information, thank you!
Glad it was helpful!
I’ve had good results with Alclad chromes and their clear gloss finish. They also have a whole line of candy coats that look great.
Thanks for sharing! I swear we are doing the same stuff all the time! It's amazing! I'm trying an automotive clear coat specifically designed for the chrome effect to continue shiny
Good luck...it didn't work for me. Maybe you will find a way....
@@EngineeredAngler I will most definetely send it your way if I do!
@@cecapfishing9882 Can you try doing an auto clear coat after the floor wax? could that possibly work? I have also had 'some' luck with using a product called 'createx colors UVLS clear - 4050 gloss'. Its hit and miss though. After the crome I spray this on and then let it dry before doing a two pack clear coat.
Thank you in advance for any response
Have you tried Alclad paint as they do an amazing chrome finish. You have to spray it black with their gloss undercoat and then you get the mirror finish. I would epoxy them with Devcon 2 but it would dull the finish as it reacts with the metallic paint. I then found out that Alclad also did a clear coat which is water based so I tried that and gave the lure 2 coats. When it dried I then put on the epoxy and no reaction and it still keeps the mirror finish. I don't work for them by the way but I do love their metallic paints which are in many colours. It's pretty thin too so easy to airbrush on and I clean the gun with acetone which is nail varnish remover.
I know you like your gold colour and they do an amazing selection of them and one of them is an exact match for the Megabass Kinkuro lure.
They are pretty cheap too and a little bit goes a very long way.
Check out this guy using the stuff on a Storm Troopers helmet.
ruclips.net/video/POe_FIvhmd0/видео.html
Well, you find the way things work after discovering (most) of the ways that don't - that has been my experience anyway LOL! Thanks for sharing your experience with these products - frustrating but fun anyway :-) Seems counter intuitive to paint a reflective surface over black - you would figure that white would be better. That silver plate finish is awesome but costs and setup are a bit beyond my current level of commitment to DIY lure making - I am more at the aluminum finish and metal foil level at the moment. Cheers and take care!
I think that you can get such nice results from foil that doing much of anything else is just for the fun and challenge.
Not into fishing but info on painting is appreciated !!
You bet!
As a model car builder I find the spaz stix chrome to be really great. Definitely the smoothest you can prep the plastic like glass before even spraying on your black base is crucial! Also after spraying on my black base I still spray on Pledge to give an extra shiny base to it. I found this helps the spaz stix adhere better. One thing also I noticed is you said you were spraying the Pledge at 30 psi, usually we spray around 10 psi for Pledge how thin it is. Any higher it runs a lot and doesn't seem to dry that well. Gravity feed airbrushes btw with that. But I found Pledge still keeps a good mirror shine on the spaz stix if sprayed in thin coats. Maybe a little more playing around with pressure and coats you might find that right medium. I was a little apprehensive too about trying their gloss clear for the chrome. I might go ahead and pick some up still and experiment. I really like how your lures came out they look amazing! Keep up the good work!
I played around with the pressure on the gun and found that if I got lower than 25psi or so the floor wax would spatter. It's probably the difference in guns. Truth be told the very best finish I have found comes from dipping the item in the pledge and not spraying.
Thanks so much for watching and sharing your knowledge....
@@EngineeredAngler I'm going to experiment as well with dipping in pledge to see if I can get some different results. I always like to try other ways out when it comes to Spaz Stix. Yeah usually my guns are .3 or .2 mm needles & nozzles and found between 10 or 15 psi is usually good for pledge. Interestingly, I've also found using a very soft fine hair brush with the spaz stick can give the same mirror finish for smaller parts or trim pieces. Larger pieces still needs ti be sprayed. I purchased the Spaz Stix clear so I'll be experimenting with that as well. Maybe dipping like pledge might give a result close to pledge.
I you have some success, please share. Good luck.
@@EngineeredAngler Update! So I've done a lot of experimenting with the Spaz Stix Clear since I got it in and had time to play with it. First off, yeah it's not worth a spit in any of it's use for Mirror Chrome. I've spray it light dusting coats, medium coats and heavy coats. I've even dipped it like Future and no matter what I did.. it took the shine away and hazed it up. I even played with air pressure settings and everything was the same result. Good old faithful Future did the job sprayed on or dipped. One thing to note, I have been playing around with Molotow Liquid Chrome paint pen I got at Hobby Lobby, and I have to say I'm pretty impressed by it. You can buy refill's for it online but it's a little pricey but gives a very nice chrome finish. The thing with it is, you have to let it really dry for a good few days before touching it. It will get fingerprints or smear up if you try to touch too soon. But I have to say, if you haven't tried it out you might want to check it out. The pens are paint pens you have to press the nub to get the paint flowing. But I ended up taking the pen apart and harvest the paint out to airbrush. PSI will vary gun to gun, but I found around 20 to 30 worked good. I also found with it, a heavier coat than how we would spray on Spaz Stix worked best. Check it out if you get a chance.
try airbrushing with constant air and only regulating the flow with your finger. this improves the finish in the end by a lot.
I've used this stuff for model cars in the past because it really is a nice looking chrome. Unfortunately i haven't found any good way to clear coat it either. From what i understand the spaz-stix is made for clear lexan plastic RC car bodies. It is meant to be sprayed backwards. You're supposed to spray the chrome on the inside of the clear body then spray a black on that followed by the clear to protect it from the inside. The clear plastic is what protects it from the outside.
You're right, I realised that it was meant to be used that way after reading Q&A on their website. The krylon looking-glass is the same way. I have still been able to get some nice metalic finishes using it, not perfect, but nice.
What do you mean by this? I'm afraid I'm unable to find more information on sealing chrome paint. I'm making a prop that needs to be extremely reflective, as much as possible.
@@Ce13stialBunny @Celeste Velez When building remote controlled vehicles the bodies that go on them are sometimes a clear plastic. The spaz-stix is meant to be sprayed in a backwards order. You spray the chrome, then the black, and then the clear ob the inside of the plastic body. The plastic body itself is what gives the gloss and protection from the outside. Unfortunately i havent found any paint that gives an absolute mirror finish when spraying the outside surface of something. What is it you're trying to make?
@@mikev3977 I'm recreating a prop from a movie. The Beast from Mandy (2018). I bought an official replica of it which was very expensive and it's definitely fragile. The prop in the movie is extremely glossy chrome, so is the replica. I want it to be that glossy if possible but also EXTREMELY durable for handling often and flexing.
@@Ce13stialBunny It may not be 100% perfect but you can go to home depot or lowes or any local hardware store really and find some aluminum foil tape. Its a metal tape for HVAC ducts. Just be sure to get one without any logos printed on it and cover it in that. Then you can get some metal polish and a rag and shine it up. It wont be perfect and youll have to line up the tape just right to avoid gaps along the edges but i think that would end up looking a lot brighter that any paint youll find.
Yep had the same experience with this stuff looks great after you give it a lite buff then turns flat after using their own clear coat???
Does the wax take being handled well? I need to make a prop that is chrome and it's going to be handled quite a lot. Will it crack when flexed?
My interest in pinewood derby cars is about as far from your passion for lures as we can get, yet we have one problem in common: How to clear coat Spaz Stix Mirror Chrome without dully the finish. After testing many clear coat options, the one that's worked the best for me was Devcon 5-Minute epoxy. It doesn't raise the aluminum grains in the paint at all, which is the reason clears dull the finish. The problem is that the epoxy is far too thick. If it could be thinned, it might make a good clear for Mirror Chrome.
You can thin epoxy, you just have to thin the two components separately. I have used acetone, and MEK but I have had some success with denatured alcohol too.
@@EngineeredAngler Thank you!
So I have been into rc cars and painting lexan bodies for 25 years. I've used Spaz Stix chrome a lot. I'm pretty sure that paint is designed for inside lexan bodies. Paint the back side of a clear plastic spoon then after drying is completely done back with black. The unpainted side of the spoon is the effect its designed for.
I agree but that is not how they are marketing it...don't think for a minute I haven't spent ours trying to come up with a reasonable way to paint the inside of a transparent lure😊. Thanks for watching.
Maybe hit the floorwax with a heat gun see if the shine comes back
Hello,
Do you could try to cover it with crystal clear resin/hardener?! Maybe that chemistry doesn’t kill the Chrom surface?!
Great video! Just curious, the floor wax, is that the final clear? If so, do you feel it's pretty durable in water when fishing? Thanks!
The floor wax is just a mid coat. After that I add the paint job then the final clear coats.
laquer thinner to clean up is what i use
How well do you think the chrome will hold up on the underside of a car hood, I have airbrushed the American flag on the underside of a Shelby mustang hood and he wants the cobra snake about 8”x10” in chrome. No sun will get to it and nothing should ever touch it.
Hmmm interesting. I may have messed up myself. I tried using a matte primer/ filler for a 3d printed object and the chrome came out dull as soon as I sprayed. I’m assuming I needed to spray a black gloss first?
Hugh gloss is key.
What black paint did you use and gloss clear coat? I used a high gloss Rustoleum base and then applied the Spax Stix. Didn't top coat it. After time the primer was easting throught resulting in tons of black spots over the entire helmet (3D printed Mandolorian). Obviously a chemical reaction. Any recommendations?
The best thing to do is to put a high gloss clear over the black. This way you can apply multiple coats and if needed polish it to a super high gloss. This gives you a great surface to apply the spaz and keeps it from contacting the paint.
Hey EA, ever tried moulding fluoresent lures for squid or night fishing?
I've done some florescent and phosphorescent (glow in the dark) paint jobs but, I haven't added phosphorescence to my casting resin...might be cool with clear resin.
Hello I want to say I love your videos and I have learned a while lot. I just watched your frog video and I have to ask if you could list the brands of silicone and resin you used please.
I use silicone from Smooth-On and my casting resin is made by Specialty Resins. Thank you for watching.
@@EngineeredAngler thank you and I love your videos
I use this to re-chrome the front grill of my car. Can I use floor wax to seal it? If so, how would I go about applying? Can I use a brush if I don’t have a air gun?
You can try a brush or just a sponge but be aware the stuff is very likely to become dull no matter how you put it on period
How do I get ahold of you? I found the products you're looking for!! Extremely chrome, extremely durable, and perfect!
Email me at EngineeredAngler@gmail.com
Have you tried dipping the chrome bait in kbs diamond after the chrome and wax?
After its coated with wax nothing will change with any clearcoat. But KBS applied directly on the chrome will dull it.
Have you tested UV cure coatings over the Spaz Stix or Alclad chrome?
Yes same result.
Have you tried applying the candy color directly over the chrome , and then the floor wax?
The sequence doesn't seem to matter much. The final clear creates the dullness.
Mannn how did you get the chrome to work in your air brush? I was able to get some out but for some reason it keeps clogging up my air brush gun ….
Larger needle
After the floor polish, can you clear it in KBS? Will you still get the reflective look?
That really reflective finish you have right after you give it a bit of a wiping with a soft rag is not something I have been able to keep. The best results are from using the floor wax but...it still becomes slightly dull. To answer your question, yes you can coat it with KBS over the floor wax. Good luck.
Engineered Angler obviously the floor wax isn’t going to protect the paint. If it’s just going to end up looking like a pearl silver after clear, I would rather just clear it. I guess I’ll give it a shot
From the standpoint of fishing - not selling lures - would you think it best to not clear coat ? Just repaint as needed? I make wooden swimbaits for myself but don't sell them.
I only sell my lures on very rare occasions to some tournament fisher buddies. But, I still think a well painted attractive lure helps with your own psychology and confidence. If you stop believing in the lure you'll stop tying it on.
But it's a personal preference based on what give you the satisfaction you're looking for. Let's face it , If it wasn't about personal satisfaction you could just buy a nice lure at Walmart. Thank you for sharing your point of view and for watching my videos, tight lines....
@@EngineeredAngler Please don't misunderstand- I am all in for folks selling their lures- just wondered if a clear coat is worth it if it changes the look - so it seems to me that a clear coat is for durability/protection while the initial paint is the "look". Thank you for all you do, I love your channel and efforts!
Can you polish the spaz stix with car polish?
It's too thin and soft to polish
You should try UV clear coat
I did....here's the video of all the tests I did with Spaz Stix
ruclips.net/video/5-JfyKYWYGg/видео.html
Have you tried KBS diamond coat gloss clear? That’s what I dip my lures in and it’s always crystal clear
Yes I have tried it...it gives a good clear but still dulls the chrome on the Spaz Stix
@@EngineeredAngler sure does, I've tried so many different types of clear coat, it's a shame you can't seem to keep that chrome finish once you try to clear coat the stuff 😞
Have you used spaz stix with airbrush? How do you remove the paint ?
Yes.. I use it in the video. To clean, I use acetone.
Would you consider a hot stamp foil video?
I've actually been thinking about it a bit, but I'm still deciding if its something I'm interested in for the long haul. Thank you for the suggestion...
Engineered Angler I watched a video with guy using an iron to heat a rubber pad and then pressing it onto the lure with the heated rubber pad...worked rather nicely...some really cool iridescent and holographic foils...I’ve considered it my self for some time...if I could figure out a good chrome spray, cheap enough I wouldn’t consider it...but....
What is the best airbrush chrome after clear coat. I'm wanting to do some lures using g chrome on the top shoulders and across the top dorsal fin
With the exception of silver plating, all the better chroming paints are about the same. I would start out trying spazstix...best bang for the buck and easy to use. I have made a lot of videos on the topic, here's a playlist: ruclips.net/p/PLEVBv_zywucTYrW8i-BqXBWZMdqoc6PnJ
@@EngineeredAngler thanks brother
Is there anything new on the market to chrome a bait.
Maybe 😃
Would UV cure dull the chrome after buffing?
Each clear has a slightly different affect. Here's the video of all the tests.
ruclips.net/video/5-JfyKYWYGg/видео.html
Would love to own a piece of your art. Is it available online the craftsmanship is fascinating to say the least.
Thank you. But for right now I won't be selling anything. My plan is to set something up in the future
@@EngineeredAnglerwell be sure to keep me posted it would be an honor to own a piece, your dedication to the craftsmanship is unmatched by any competitor.
Hi if you baby it after you do the chrome do yo have to use the clear coat and wreck it ? Thx
No, you can leave it without the clearcoat...but it can be damaged easily.
Thank you
what about an acrylic clear?
Same problem
How long are you letting the floor polish dry? I sprayed the Pledge floor finish. It sat for an hour. I thought it was dry. But after I dipped it in KBS, it cracked and separated. The paint had dried for over 24 hrs so I figured it was dry. What do you suppose could have happened?
Is it an acrylic floor wax?
KBS is urethane based and should go over acrylic with no problems...not what happened...
I believe it is acrylic. It is Pledge Revive It Floor Finish. Is it not the correct one? The only one I could find.
If it is a combination cleaner/finish...that might be the problem.
Did you try polishing after each Spaz coating ?
Buffing the clear was not on the instructions but I tried it with no improvement.
It may be a stretch, but would you be willing to try spraymax 2k clear coat on spaz stix? I saw someone get incredible results once.
Yea...I'll do it. Have the 2k clear.
Thanks! Can’t wait!
In your opinion out of all the crimes which is the best and easiest to use. And do u have to put a black under the crome? Also do you have to Clearwater it.
This is a great question for the question of the week. I'll cover it on an upcoming video.
I paint trolling flashers for salmon on lake ontario and trying to figure out as the crome paddles we can buy the paint comes right off. They don't make them like they used to
What do you clean your airbrush with after using the chrome paint?
Usually I use acetone.
Thanks!
Spraymax 2k clear
Try putting a light dusting might hel ya 😂
holy shit what air pressure r u using?!?! clearly at least 3 times what they recommend.
The bottle says 15 to 20 PSI I used 18 PSI.
Why not dip it in a clear resin for ultra clear
The issue is not the clarity if the clear coat...it's the chemical reaction with the spray chrome. They seem to react with all clear coats, including both epoxy and polyester resins.
If you don't look at his face, you might think this is Steve Buscemi doing this video.
At least you left out the face....
Two things that you are doing wrong is not giving the chrome paint enough time to dry and allow the solvents to evaporate off. And you're spraying a too-heavy coat of the clear causing the chrome to "lift" and ruin the reflective surface.
That's good to know...I really thought there was no way to keep the reflective finish. I have done an experiment where I left the finish without any clear coat in a safe place. But it still went grey after a few weeks. Any insight?
Hi tio it’s Xander
Hey Xander, how are you? I hope you're feeling strong. I heard you went out on the boat with your dad...did you catch more fish than him?
Yeah I caught eight fish and he caught two I still am sick but am getting better little by littles
I knew you were a better fisher than your dad...good job.😆
Thanks I also knew it all along
@@alexandercollazo2998
Go to sleep!
Buff in between clear coats maybe
Didn't work...
@@EngineeredAngler figured thought it was worth a shot tho
Try 2 part epoxy instead of spray clear finish
You should watch this...ruclips.net/video/5-JfyKYWYGg/видео.html
You said 2 light dustings if clear coat and you pt 5 whole coats 😂😂 no one noticed or said anything
Maybe cuz you didn't listen. He said according to the instructions 2 light coatings, then 3 more once the first 2 dry
Just watched this. Reason it failed everything you did was wrong. All of it. You followed no directions f4om the start. Didn't even use the black backer made for it. If your going to demo something then tell people it's no good you should follow directions!!
I've been playing with this stuff for years...even the manufacturer admits it always dulls out when you clear coat it. Notice how the chrome was near perfect even without the black base..??? so why black base? The issue is not getting an initial chrome finish the problem is keeping it when you clear coat it. Try it yourself...the best you will get is a semi-polished aluminum type finish. Frustrating for all. Totally get your point about the directions...
Then you make a video and show everybody what to do.
You got a big head
But a surprisingly small hat size 🤔