Just Say You're Christian Already!! w/ Jordan Peterson
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In this clip, Matt Fradd and Jordan Peterson talk about how many Catholics wish Jordan would "join the team". Why is that and how does that make him feel?
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You know you asked JP a good question when you get him to close his eyes and think 😆
Maybe it's difficult to look and think at the same time.
@@lalaithan It's a normal concentration method..
@@natewilke Also a mild jest.
@@lalaithan JP is very smart, so he usually has an answer right away so he doesn't need to close his eyes to think. If he does, that's how you know you asked him a good question, hope that makes sense haha.
JP has so many people praying for him, it’s ridonculous.
Yes me included
haha true, I have been praying too
😂
We should pray for everyone. 😄
praying is useless, o something productive with your time instead like cleaning your room
He kind of reminds me of what I've heard and read about St Constantine. Leader of Rome that totally supported Christianity but didn't fully commit or get baptized until late in life. Don't worry, it will happen for him. When Jesus wants you, there is no escape, lol.
I mean his new book is "We Who Wrestle with God", lol.
That is actually wrong.
Constantine usually called Jesus Christ Our Lord.he also called the Council of nicea.he sat in the council with the Bishops.he requested for their canons.he built Churchs.
He did alots of things because he bealived it.the reason he got baptized in bed death,was because people at the time usually did that.they weren't getting baptized until they are old or until they got close to death.
King Theodosius the great(who was a Christian) did also the same.
St.John Chrysostom also was baptized later in his life.
This was common in their time.
That was also why the reason,it change later and now we baptized kids just few days after they were born .
Reason being it was considered, dangerous to wait until you are old or until you are close to death.
@@merhawifirzun3477 Just to add extra context. The reason many early Christians waited to be baptized late in life was because they took "Baptism for the remission of sins" to mean that baptism cleansed you from past sins. Therefore, by being baptized on their death bed, or late in life, they where less likely to commit new sins.
Both the Orthodox and Catholic churches ended up addressing this concern, hence the move to young baptism.
@@etheretheretherYes you are right,i forgot about that part,i have also read similar somewhere.
@merhawifirzun3477 Thanks for clarifying! It would seem to me that by rejecting baptism when deciding to become a Christian, you are failing to commit and be in full communion with the Holy Spirit. Typical Catholic trying to find the loopholes, lol!
Call me “religious” but I do believe it is hypocritical of Jordan to say we must consecrate our lives to God and yet he will not do this in any formal yes religious way. I am calling out the truth here. May God bless you all ❤
people should already, by now understand that he doesn't agree nor define god as this scientific sense. He is actually more a Faith believer guy than you. His believe is very much actually inclined with many Philosophical Theologians. The problem with you, the atheist and many others is that while saying religion is Faith based, you still try to view it through the lens of the epistemology/the philosophy of science. He actually defined god as how the bible define god as. The spirit of the Logos, the Word etc.
That’s because you think a specific word matters
“It’s blue”
“non, c'est bleu”
“Nein, es ist blau”
“不，它是蓝色的”
“نه آبی است”
YOU HAVE TO MAKE THE EXACT SAME FACE SOUND I MAKE!!!!
What's does that look like to do it in a formal/religious way? Going to a building or living it daily?
And yet he practice what he preaches and have led more young people out of atheism that most religious folks today....
Formal religion has nothing to do with following God!
I think we want big names on our side because we feel like it will change the hearts of their fans, not because we doubt our own beliefs. The thing I doubt is my own ability to evangelize and I hope more wise people will do the lions share.
I felt the same as you when I was a Christian. I couldn’t evangelize to people. I realize now it was because I simply couldn’t come up with a good reason to address peoples reasonable concerns. Also, I’m not good at speaking, i am just not gifted in it.
But that’s a problem
You shouldn’t need to be a gifted speaker defending your faith. The Bible promises god will give you the Holy Spirit to direct you in what to say, but that doesn’t happen.
Now, I’m an atheist and I’m not meaning to belittle you or your religion, but one of the reasons I turned away was when the broken promises of religion started to pile up, I went back and re-examed everything and I found it not to be true
@moriningland Just because you don't have the gift to share the gospel doesn't mean Jesus is not God.
God doesn't owe you anything. You submit to Him, not Him to you.
Being an atheist is ignoring all the evidence of a creator. From the fine tuning of the universe, to the deep need of everyone to find meaning in life, to thousands of years of people believing in the super natural, to countless reports of miracles(most of them are not true, but still there are too many reports), to all cultures in history reporting seeing spirits, to people having spiritual dreams, to people having psychedelic trips, to people having near death experiences and reporting the afterlife, to Jesus coming to earth and claiming to be God, to all the Christian history.
Everything points to a spiritual world along with the physical.
Jesus is really God in the flesh.
@@Moriningland we are not promised to know what to say. The Holy Spirit is in the church, and keeping it from doctrinal error through the structure and hierarchy put in place by the apostles. We, each of us are guided morally by the Holy Spirit through our conscience. It’s possible you were told of promises that you thought were to you as an individual, but were instead to the church as a whole. Was their another promise or specific part that made you rethink your faith? I am the reverse of you, I was an atheist and I became Christian and then Catholic. I feel non-Catholics make a lot of errors interpreting scripture that actually pushes people away from Christianity.
@@daniellenm395 there’re many reasons why I rethought my faith. It the foundation was the general bad behavior of Christian’s. It really culminated with trump and his vast majority of support among Christian’s, that and around the time I began noticing that atheists were more caring and decent for Christian’s. That’s when I started realizing something was seriously wrong there.
But that wasn’t why I became an atheist. That’s just why I started to take a second look at the whole faith and it just did not hold up at all to scrutiny.
It’s a lot to go into but it boils down to
- I don’t trust the Bible. It seems it was clearly written by people and is not divine
- evolution is a fact, and I see how that directly conflicts with the Bible.
- I do not trust what Christian’s say
@Moriningland hello, I was wondering if you have considered messianic prophecy? And if you have, what did you think about them?
The fact that he says “what would you say?” and then proceeds to iterate the most precise bundling of words that no one would say is why JP is legendary.
He’s a grifter and he’s made millions of dollars by making impressionable teens think he’s smarter than he actually is.
@@MoNtYbOy101 Okay buddy.
@@its_herocast276 I don't think that's the case. Check the names again---we were both replying to MoNtYbOy101.
@@JakeStuder Oh true my bad..
@@MoNtYbOy101 I tend to agree more and more the more I see his videos
The second he says he is Christian, next too many will demand to know "Baptist? Orthodox? Lutheran? If you don't tell us we can't judge you against that groups rules and call you out more when your humanity shows!"
IDK that seems like a weak argument. If he won't admit to being a Christian because people will label him and that's annoying for him, then I'd say the suffering life of a Christian isn't for him.
Romans 1:16, Luke 9:26
Pints with Aquinas is traditional Catholic.
Orthodox and Catholics think they are the only true options. They inherited this vision of the Church as a single specific institution, which was shaped at the time of the Roman/Byzantine Empire.
We love you JBP. You are a light in a dark time. Your Rules on audio got me through 2020.
God’s time is not ours. Freewill is very important to God, so much so that He wouldn’t be Love itself if it wasn’t for freewill. Jordan will get there, maybe at the last moment of his life. But secular society needs someone like him, because they won’t listen to a committed christian. But surely through Tamy’s prayers he will be saved.
1 Cor. 7
And if a woman has a husband who is not a believer and he is willing to live with her, she must not divorce him. For the unbelieving husband has been sanctified through his wife, and the unbelieving wife has been sanctified through her believing husband.
I think what most Christians who hear JP talking about Christianity fear is that he speaks of our faith in a patronizing manner. You hear it especially when he speaks of his wife’s faith - “it has really worked for her”. That is not what we are talking about as Christians. I’m not saying anything about what JP actually believes and I pray for him. All I am saying is that Christians are not mere pragmatists. We do not believe Christianity because it works. It works because it is true.
Many are worried about the salvation of JP. I hope he will accept the resurrection and divinity of Christ and be baptized. However, JP already takes Christ's words, and the words of the other biblical prophets, far more seriously than most Christians I've met. And while I have a personal belief and witness that Christ is indeed our Lord and Savior, I also believe I would do well to worry more about improving my own discipleship by following JP's example of better demonstrating my belief with my conduct than merely with my professions of faith.
Pray for the Salvation of Jordan Peterson
Tell me, Mr Christian genius, what is salvation exactly? Does it mean giving your life to Christ? Cause if that's the case, most of the world does not need salvation.
@@DestinyAwaits19Accepting Christ as the son of God and making a conscious effort to turn from your sins, according to God's law.
Christ is King, JP.
This became a popular slogan all of a sudden following October 7th...the statement is true..but do you understand why Andrew Tate for example and his followers were posting that?
@@angru_arches they want to go on crusade
@@angru_arches That "slogan" has been around LONG before October 7th, 2023 😂Pontious Pilate had it written above the crucifix and Pope St. Pius XI established the feast of Christ the King back in 1925.
@@natewilke why are you playing dumb? You're being disingenuous and facetious to avoid the issue. This slogan has recently been used as an antisemitic dog whistle. I'm Christian and I've been shocked by many Christians' glibness towards the current Jewish plight. It's vindictive and at times outright hateful.
@@natewilke Classic liberals thinking everything is a current event
The message went above and beyond so many heads in comment section...
Yep, after reading the comments I'm trying to find the verse where Jesus says we must choose a denomination and announce it....
When JP chooses what form of Christianity he's going to officially adopt, one thing is for certain.... you know he's going to have done his research.
Sounds like you're approaching this w/ grace and a sense of humour. That made me smile, because he does think things to death. It's a huge gift God has given him and sometimes our gifts can also backfire on us a bit too. Some people judge him pretty harshly and aren't very patient, but this is the way God made him.
@saintejeannedarc9460 the more time I spend researching Christianity and its many forms, the more I discover that we're all a little right and a lot wrong about many things. We could all stand to return to the Bible with some humility, and be sure to read a different translation occasionally.
@@Grizzlox I agree totally and come to those conclusions all the more, the older I get. What I felt so sure when I was younger, doesn't seem as sure anymore. The thing that does get more sure is coming to God w/ the faith as a little child. It's nice to delve into more complex doctrine, but that's not what saves us. It's simple faith and serving Jesus as Lord, because he's our savior that saves us.
@@saintejeannedarc9460this is the way, you have nailed it, approaching Jesus like a child approaches their parent.
"If", not "when". Who knows, he might end up becoming a Mohammadan or a Hindu. For my part, I'd prefer him to become a Sikh than either of those two.
Well, that's probably a bit unfair to my Hindu neighbours who are very gracious and welcoming, and I admit it's not at all charitable to my (presumably Buddhist) coworkers who are eager to have me taste their spicy Thai food most days. All very kind and generous people.
But for me, the only "Muslims" I've really liked are the folks from Iran with whom I've had a few pints of lager. Which makes it 4 out of 4 Iranians (either born there, or have at least one parent from there).
It's not the best statistic - it's only 4 people, compared to the way more Catholic Filipinos and Orthodox Serbians I've had a very good time with, but hey... 4 out of 4 ain't bad.
@1:46 "Rosary City, man! Yeah."
Rosaries accumulated = Hundreds
Rosaries prayed = Unknown (likely = 0)
Number of Catholics that need Mr. Peterson's validation = 0
Being brought to one's knees before God - Priceless 😎
You're entirely mistaken and with the context of his sick wife/their prayers together I'd say it's also in very poor taste. I'll assume you're entirely ignorant to the situation...
@@CatfishBradley One cannot say a Rosary in Grace with God without believing in Him. Did I truly need to say this?
@@CatfishBradley Tammy Peterson treated the Rosary properly. I know the story. Jordan and Matthew had a good laugh over these Blessed gifts. That really bugs me.
Maybe don’t be totally arrogant
@@stubinski268 Ad hominem
you're a great interviewer Matt
He dropped the ball on the Rosary question that he didn't ask
Good on Matt to have the guts for that question
We want you to make this decision on your own time. Ive enjoyed watching you discover and support your wife with love.
"Believe? Difficult to answer. I do not need to believe. I KNOW."
-CARL JUNG
JP is not a Christian. He’s a mystic who talks about the Bible
He’s got the allegorical and some spiritual aspects down pat, and it’s a joy to hear him talk about them, but that’s just one slice of the pie. Christ established an institution made up of men meant to help us follow him, and to be here after his ascension. That was just as much a part of his message as the transformative and spiritual aspects. It’s the piece Jordan is missing. HOW do we take up our cross? HOW do we become sanctified? HOW do we consecrate ourselves to Christ? The Catholic Church (and EO for the most part) has those steps with the Sacraments and the community. Jordan is not moving past the abstract, I pray he will eventually.
Being dunked in water and eating bread/wine or crackers/grape juice is hardly worth the commitment alone. I don't think you're appreciating the importance of the "abstract" and the fact that you take that with you wherever you go, unlike sacraments, confession, etc.
Yeah.. the commitment that Jordan is talking about is a far greater challenge and sacrifice than the Catholic traditions.
If all you’re doing is the traditions, you’re missing the gate entirely. And I think that is JPs point. Life is not tradition.
You pickup your cross by voluntarily taking on the burden of your life, while maintaining a resilient and positive attitude toward God. It means to take on the burden to fix everything around you that you can stomach while not being appreciated for it, and likely being criticized, crucified, and shamed by everyone watching you do it. And after you successfully carry those burdens, and the whole world views you as evil for it, maintaining faith and forgiveness without becoming bitter and hateful.
This is carrying your cross and following Christ. It is the commitment. Not much of a commitment though, because there is no other way to live a life that will be eternally satisfying. And so you do it because there is no other way.
If you believe, you know. You don't need the church to teach you that. If you know, you automatically know what to do, because it's the truth itself.
I really really enjoyed this conversation! Very well done Matt and thank you Jordan Peterson and God bless you all!
I want him in my team, yes I do 🙋🏾♀️
Jordan reminds me of the guy from The Great Divorce by C.S. Lewis that wants to continue analyze God as a concept from the outside and not live within Him.
I think he actually DOES want to live within Him, his brain & logic based in this world keeps him on the edge of doubt though.
I think he actually DOES want to live within Him, his brain & logic based in this world keeps him on the edge of doubt though.
This is clearly not the case when you watch the full interview
@@orphanedhanyou Right. He says he lives as if God is real but I don't think he actually knows what that would actually look like and instead continues the same mode of living. I don't think he understands the real and personal relationship God desires and tries to grasp at meaning for himself instead of simply asking for it to be given to him. God is being itself He is fundamentally simple by nature. Jordan is making it more complicated than it needs to be.
@@flamingdragon3861 erm ackshually!!!
What a great question,often I wondered myself,the reason, publicly stating your belief by influencers. Groups want you on the team.
When Peterson meets God I think he will embrace him just as any other Christian would. That's all that matters.
Oh, I know he will be a devout Catholic by then. It’s not nice for people though to make remarks about him not joining the Catholic Church. It’s not for us to do that, we just pray and God will do the rest.
People really dont understand jp when he says he isnt a christian. He prays and reads scriptures and does all the stuff you christians do. Maybe more. But he will not disrespect the name because he understands the extreme path in a way few appreciate and even fewer live. It’s a complete surrender to the truth impulse born of Christ. To confront the actual reason would be for others to confront their own faith, especially to those serious believers, who talk to god all day and see nothing but god. To even those monastics who live in the silent prayer. Even these arent enough. The highest expression of affirmation is negation, opposites are the strongest expression of anything. Pride shouldnt be anywhere in the mind, and Christianity should cut through belief. Into a transformation or action of the world and divine, not lip service, labeling, and petty sectarianism. To truly live the teaching as opposed to believe the teaching. Ask yourself the reason why you want him to be on yourside? To be marketing pr to your religion? Such pettiness is precisely why JP wont for he cant without disrespecting what he holds most dear
It's not pettiness. There is only one way to heaven and that is through Christ Jesus, by faith alone, not by works, or extreme, perfect living of the Word. Jordan gets this wrong every time. Never have I heard him talk of God's grace, mercy, forgiveness, and love. John 3:16 says it all.
Now that is not to say we Christians aren't to strive to live by the Word, and constantly aim to be like Christ. But there is grace when we fail and stumble, for no man is perfect but the Son of Man.
Desiring Jordan's salvation is love. Not pettiness, or selfishness. No man can earn it, and Matthew 10:32 says "Therefore whoever confesses Me before men, him I will also confess before My Father who is in heaven." If anything his unwillingness to openly confess his faith is cowardly, though I do not condemn him for it. I pray he comes to our Lord Jesus, and is Saved.
@@thinkinggingerbeard2556 You speak lots of thoughts. You cite lots of scripture. But you’re still blinded by yourself.
@@thinkinggingerbeard2556very much agree! As a Catholic I have a slightly different view of salvation which is line with the Catechism of the Catholic Church. But yes I pray for Jordan’s conversion and for the conversion of all sinners. Our works are but dirty rags and an unbeliever like Jordan is blind to this. On the other hand faith without works is dead - we are saved by faith and judged on our works so it’s actually a both and not an either or as Protestants like to frame it. It’s not faith alone it’s faith and works leading to salvation. Read the book of James ❤God bless ❤
It’s not petty to be genuinely concerned with the state of Jordan’s soul. That is actually love. ❤️
@@carakerr4081 I love your comment sister. But the soul my friend. . God already has it. It’s in Gods hands. Not yours or mine. What you’re describing is the human love which arises from the ego when one hasn’t surrendered absolutely everything to God. To Truth with a capital T. The Christian surrenders the entire will to God.
God is pushed away from yourself and from others when God is forced or urged. In the interior silence, God is discovered. And the impulse of Christ becomes lived through humility and not spoken. The faith where one needs not even one divine thought and lives in its direct experience behind every thought.
People need to stop trying to get this man to say he’s a Christian. If he really was he wouldn’t need any cajoling, he would declare it gladly.
I think people need to ask themselves if THEY are a Christian, not test whether Jordan is one.
We all have our own individual walks with God. It's clear JP has the knowledge portion down. Just about the relationship walk now. Love that God will walk with each one of us on such an individual and personal way. Truly a loving Father.
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Thank you.
He views it in a completely metaphorical way it seems. I don’t know why he doesn’t just say that.
I’ve never thought of making the connection between the climate change panic and the Baal worshippers during Elijah‘s time. Would love to hear him expound more on that
As St. Ignatius of Loyola says, Love is shown more in deeds than words. Jordan, don't follow Jung's misguided path, claiming you don't need to believe because you already know. You don't truly know, none of us does. Christianity can't be unpacked through a series of abstractions because though it resembles myths in many respects, it differs in one crucial way- it is true! (As Tolkien told his friend, C.S. Lewis). For the good of your soul, take the plunge!
Peterson said earlier in the conversation when discussing atheism and belief that it’s an “all in enterprise” and how there is no good reason to be an atheist - I think Peterson believes deep down but yeah he sidesteps the direct question. Matt should have asked him why aren’t you all in?
Jordan Peterson discusses so much about the faith and he tends to criticize people partaking in the faith, but he is so ignorant of his own need for a savior, and it’s because of his social status. A humble man is aware of his own sins and seeks reconciliation before trying to sound intellectual in the eyes of man. God does not respect intellect, but he accepts the sacrifices of a broken and contrite heart.
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What makes you think he is ignorant for his need of a savior? You cant really know someones heart, even of someone extremely close to you. Yet you are claiming to know his heart despite you only seeing his online persona.
I don't need him to say he's Christian in order for Christ to love him. He believes in a way very few can understand... Even himself. Titles don't matter
Jordan is a man who lives by the laws of Christ. Leave him alone! He is doing more for the kingdom of God than thousands of Christians put together. I am sure that he is giving intense joy to the heart of God, to whom he is closer than ever.
Don't worry about his salvation, let's worry about ours.
I agree... the question reminds me of the Pharisees questioning Jesus, about healing a man, on the 'wrong' day of the week.
If God isn't working through Jordan, then I don't know how God works then. His way of believing and serving God is not conventional Christianity. Somehow though, he's the atheist whisperer and gets through to them in a way that priests and pastors generally don't. I've seen so many massive long threads on YT where the atheists or former atheists are marveling that they can't wait for his bible series. That they just got their first bible and are reading it for the first time, or read it w/ a non critical view now. His unorthodox psychological and practical approach to bible stories has made the bible relevant to them for the first time. He makes what they believed were useless fables relevant in every way to practical life.
Then the question remains...why not commit? None of us are worthy but humble to know we need the grace of Christ hence desire to live this beautiful rich faith out in love as partakers of the divine nature. The miracle his wife recieved would make most believe, & be Catholic
I believe there is the flock of Christians and the disciples of Jesus.
These are the 2 categories of faithful people. Jesus said to Peter, "tend to my flock".
This means some people are all in, and they take care of others.
Jordan Peterson, if he believed, he would go all in. And probably become a true disciple of Jesus. That's a very hard commitment and he doesn't want to make it without being sure.
He is like doubting Thomas. I pray for him to fully believe, not because he will share the gospel, but because he will save his soul.
@@dimitrisleo I agree, hence Bishops, Priests & even dedicated missionaries & martyrs. I just can't imagine knowing the truth but hesitant to try to live it. We can all at least live the faith wherever we are, vocation or living & practice & participate in Christendom & love our neighbors while worshipping in spirit & in truth, otherwise it can be seen as cowardice or luke warm. Even in Catholicism the position of salvation outside the Church is for those who know the Church is the true Church but still refuse it...vs the previous position, before Protestantism, that there is no salvation outside of Christendom which was only the Catholic Church. I personally like Peterson & at times enjoy him speaking on the faith, & also pray he takes that step & says, "God's will be done"
@J-PLeigh8409 I didn't really understand the 2nd point you made, but it sounds very interesting. Can you please explain the part you wrote about salvation outside the church? I didn't really get it if you think it's possible or impossible.
@@dimitrisleo it was only used as a comparison of sorts, such as Peterson knowing the truth but not fully stepping into the Kingdom of Light in Christ. Just like a Protestant or lone Bible reader knowing Catholicism is true but still refuses it. Either way, it is absolutely possible, & I believe likely that he becomes Christian, & even likely that anyone that knows the truth of the Church will become Catholic.
@J-PLeigh8409 Thank you for explaining. I believe protestants have their reasons for not believing and most of them are well meaning. I believe in the Theotokos myself, but I can understand why it might seem unbiblical.
Not sure on catholicism myself, but I think the body of Christ is still one. And I believe the body has parts in more than 1 denominations. Who built better on top of the cornerstone, that is Jesus, we will find out when it is tested by fire by Jesus himself. And as Jesus said, even the one who built badly, he will be saved barely through the fire.
RUclips deleting my comments is not going to change anything. hopefully when RUclips reads the content they cannot claim it violates any TOS.
That is so perfect…the big kid on your team.
He's clearly evasive about it. He scrutinises the wording of the question to the Nth degree and then freely answers other deep questions without doing so. He is a brilliant social commentator but on matters of faith he's full of crap.
He is not Christian because God has not as of yet given him the faith required to grasp onto Christ. Faith is a gift, not a choice, and there would be no bandying about with words if he had been given that faith by God. God has his timing, and we can only guess as to why.
Amen 🙏
@PintsWithAquinas Hello from Youngstown, Oh.
I started watching Jordan Peterson with some of his lecture series and then his series on the book of Genesis. Wen watching other lectures and some interviews, I came to the personal conclusion that Jordan Peterson is trying to come to grips with God as only an intellectual can. I do not know if he will ever take that final leap of faith. I do believe there is something holding him back and am not sure if even he knows what that is.
Jordan doesn't want to be boxed in as just another (fill in the blank). That's why he refuses to commit.
Agree. The second he says he is Christian, next too many will demand to know "Baptist? Orthodox? Lutheran? If you don't tell us we can't judge you against that groups rules and call you out more when your humanity shows!"
@@orphanedhanyou That's a merciful insight, and that will definitely happen. I think he summed it up best when he said that he just thinks differently. That's what I've concluded through the years too. God made to think differently and it's been a gift to us and helped many people.
But by refusing to commit he is not doing what he insists we all do which is to commit! My question is what exactly does he want us to commit to? There in lies the problem I have with him. But I agree he is in process and God is using him to reach the secular world 🌎
When he fully trusts in God, he will convert 🙏until then we should pray for him and so he stops analyzing God like one of his patients. All you need is To Trust in GOD ALMIGHTY 🙏 Jordan
You wanna know what belief means Jordan Peterson? It means youre willing to die for something.
Richard Wyrnbrand is a prime example of belief, dogma, faith and conviction.
Id rather be dead, than live for another second, knowing or truly feeling and thinking the universe is absurd and nihilistic.
Bram Stoker is credited with saying, “Faith, that faculty which enables us to believe things which we know to be untrue”. I think that people who are highly analytical, like Jordan Peterson, require more faith than average to convert to any religious belief system. When your entire personality is focused around acute, objective analysis and reasoning, it can be incredibly difficult to say, "screw it, I'm just gonna believe this all the way without ever having a full evidence for or against it". I'm impressed that he's as open-minded about it as he is, to be honest.
Some of our greatest thinkers and scientists embraced Catholicism wholeheartedly. Prof John Lennox (Oxford Mathematician) is an excellent defender of the faith. Psychology is hardly a stringent science. The real issue here is humility and the ability to surrender to God.
"He who denies me before man I will deny before the Father"
The sense I get from Jordan, and I could be wrong, is that I think he truly understands the weight of the commitment to follow Christ. He understands the Parable of the Minas/Talents, and I think while he has some reservations, he largely understands the significance/holy inspiration of God’s word, even if he wouldn’t choose to use the word holy, he’d probably tie it back into universal archetypes or something, but I do detect serious reverence for God’s word there.
I think he also understands his flaws and that because of them, he wouldn’t be worthy enough to take the plunge for fear of becoming the Pharisee he mentions here. I think he’s contemplating but is concerned that committing to being a Christian would be biting off more than he feels worthy enough to chew. But that’s the irony, it’s that precise sense of unworthiness that makes him worthy of the gospel message. In Jesus’ words, it’s not the well who need a doctor, but the sick. Take the leap Jordan, we’re praying for you!
"Every one therefore that shall confess me before men, I will also confess him before my Father who is in heaven. But he that shall deny me before men, I will also deny him before my Father who is in heaven." Matthew 10,32
I think Jordan believes that action speaks louder than " words". Christ knows who's camp he is in for sure. THAT i think, is the point
"WE dealt with you guys back at the time of Elijah...."
TOO OBVIOUS 😁😂 This man has a better attitude, and know that faith without work is dead!
Why is everyone so worried about whether JP actually “says” he’s a Christian? I don’t get it. People just freak out about this. I’m not worried AT ALL about JP. I’m quite certain I’ll see him on the other side. Why? Because of the fruits he displays. I see what he’s “becoming.” He’s on the right trajectory. He’s noticed “the light” and by all indications he’s walking “in” and “toward” the light. Chill out people.
Agreed completely. You can't be such a fruit bearing tree and maintain such a stellar attitude in the face of incredible adversity, and still continue to want to help others the way he does and not have the hand of God heavily upon you.
JBP is Catholic but doesn't know it. He sounds like an old world saint struggling with his "inner demons".
He won't compromise his militant mission. The minute he says that, half of his audience stops listening. He knows that.
To have everlasting life you absolutely must trust in the person and finished work of Christ alone for salvation; this means that saving repentance is turning from unbelief to belief.
I don’t know why it’s a binary- he is changing what being a Christian means. We have the word saint to distinguish those who actually appear to live out the fullness of both the commitment and death of self from other Christians . All of us who aren’t great saints and our actual identity at a psychological level is not fully united to Christs mystical body are still committed to TRYINg to follow, knowing how hard that is to achieve are being reminded constantly of our failure. On one hand I appreciate what he is saying but I don’t agree that we should subsume the label “Christian” into “Saint”. Identifying as a Christian is an an important first step, the beginning of your commitment to try fail and try again.
Agreed. It’s not up to him to change what being a Christian means. He’s not acknowledging the institutional aspect of Christ’s Church, which is just as much part of Christ’a message.
Only the Almighty knows who is a real Christian and who is not. Some people just call themselves Christian but have no idea what it means to be a Christian. To be a Christian means to forgive, to love, to do good, to trust in the Lord, not to run after money and things of this world.
I think it's possible he's not committing at least publically bc if he does then he's just another preachy Christian and non-believers will tune him out. I think the way he's approaching is more effective in getting people to listen.
Normally I can understand Peterson's positions and arguments about 90% of the time, but that drops down to about 50% any time he starts talking about religion or God.
Damn that's a good question.
Pray for him and he will undeniably come home eventually ✝️ his wife will long for his salvation
"Then we went to Greece, and the Greeks led us to the edifices where they worship their God, and we knew not whether we were in heaven or on earth. For on earth there is no such splendour or such beauty, and we are at a loss how to describe it. We only know that God dwells there among men, and their service is fairer than the ceremonies of other nations. For we cannot forget that beauty." - Emissaries of Grand Prince Volodymyr.
He knows that once he says he's a Christian then he will be judged as one. It seems like to me that he doesn't want to say it because he doesn't believe he's the perfect example of a Christian. That and I don't think he believes Jesus is literally God or that he performed literal miracles or literally rose from the dead.
Catholic wife, Evangelical daughter, he ought to become Orthodox and complete the family
Answer: "Yes. In fact, now that you mentioned it, I feel used now by your asking me on the show and asking that very question. Pull up your own damn bootstraps of Faith."
JBP spends to much time observing faith instead of just having faith.
If he follows Christ, he IS on the “right team”
ITS OK JORDAN I UNDERSTAND YOU
He’s an interesting intellectual who takes countless life lessons from scriptures. He sees their value, analogies to all kinds of moral dilemmas etc. By contrast a Christian at some point recognizes his need for a God of power and love who forgives through Christ. It leads to intense peace and the experience of confident faith that all will be well because of this new found relationship. It grows and the learning of lessons from scripture and life changes the believer to want to be more like Him. It’s less intellectual and more experiential to me. I don’t think that is JP. I think he is a greatly educated and logical person continually exploring. I hope he finds who he really is looking for.
JP lives for the most part as if God is real, and he has brought many people out of atheism. However, I think many people have two concerns. First, if JP does not accept the bodily resurrection of Christ and his divinity, then all his good works mean nothing for his salvation. Second, if JP would take up his cross and boldly proclaim the Lordship of Jesus Christ, it could draw more people into the fullness of God's truth rather than the surface level of simply living a good life.
Amen 🙏
“Therefore you should not confine yourself to just one manner of devotion, since God is to be found in no particular way, neither this one nor that. That is why they do Him wrong who take God just in one particular way. They take the way rather than God.”
Meister Eckhart
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One of the most famous of all Catholics...St. Agustine...once said: "If you think you understand...then it's not God." I think JBP understands that...unlike the vast majority of his followers. It's not unlike what Socrates said: "All I know is that I know nothing."
If he won't confess God vefore men, how will he before God?
I have already poisted parts of the court records. Jordan is a Frasier Crane wannabe. He is an entertainer not a psychologist. Because he sells books and videos and lectures, THAT IS NOT THERAPY. He needs to address his bad conduct in courts in the case of Case 1 Sordi v. Sordi, 2009 CanLII 80104 (ON SC) he defamed a parent in court. In the case 2 R. v. Pearce, 2012 MBQB 22 (CanLII) he tried to free a murderer. Then in the case Peterson v. College of Psychologists of Ontario, 2023 ONSC 4685, he tried to avoid taking responsibility. He also tried to interfere in a family court case in Montana, the Kolstadt case, where there was a GAG order, he unprofessionally diagnosed a minor without interviews or assessments, and tried to defend unfit parents.
I mean he said it pretty clearly here: "Because it's a commitment. I don't think that way". A little bit like another over thinker Augustine, his racing and challenging mind is maybe stopping him just accepting an idea fully.
"Jesus said, 'Pick up your cross and follow me.'"
"How many rosaries have people given you?"
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is Tammy Peterson not a catholic anymore? did she not get confirmed??
She is. Their daughter isn’t.
Christian story is unqiue and revolutionary. One cannot put mythology as a serious contender against theology & the Creed. That is not a jibe against pagan myths or a sectarian boast. The Gospel story actually happend, it is really historical, in a way that no pre-Christian story is. Only after Christianity they can be attempts at emulation. The Gospels are both a chronicle & myth at the same time. Christian story also unites philosophy & mythology, reason & imagination, for the first time as well, Aristotle & Virgil are united only in the Christian synthesis. The existance of God & of the immortal soul cam be proven through metaphisical demonstrations/proofs & they open the door to acceptance of Christian story, since together with the historical record that we have it makes the belief in the Resurrection of Jesus rationally justified. Pagan stories are fortellings & daydreams, "they steer however shakily towards the true harbour" (Tolkien). They were never intended to be treated as true in philosophical sense, only in poetical. Christian story is fullfilment & reality, the Greatest & Strangest Story Ever Told. The story unites all the patterns & Christ unites all the archetypes. And at the same time it does not contain platitudes & has many strange episodes.
"For we have not by following artificial fables, made known to you the power, and presence of our Lord Jesus Christ; but we were eyewitnesses of his greatness." ~ 2 Peter 16.
"And do not call anyone on earth your father; for One is your Father, He who is in heaven."
- Jesus (Matthew 23:9)
Topics like global warming are totally different. Though it does take courage to stand against the crowd, it's a different thing to turn to our Father and accept the invitation to eat the tree of life, which Christ re-opened our way to. Lord, help us to eat.
Just read A Severe Mercy. Jordan Peterson is Sheldon VanAuken and Tammy is Davey.
It would be wise for Jordan to declare himself non denominational. We get too caught up in denominations instead of simply saying that one is a follower of Christ.
Whatever God calls him to,that's what he'll be declaring when the time is right for him. I'll just be happy to hear him freely proclaim himself as Christian. I know Catholics really want to hear that he is Catholic, and I'll be happy for him if that's the way he goes too, even though I'm not Catholic either. It does seem like Catholics like to have that notch under the belt, because they've won another one. I don't find protestants do that. They will just rejoice that he is Christian,whichever kind it is.
I don't even think he needs to 'declare' himself non-denominational, but I agree with your point. I can't find a Bible verse that says we need to choose a denomination.
@@hxhdfjifzirstc894 The bible only talks about Christ being our one and only denomination. It is addressed in the bible directly. There is also no verses about one holy apostolic church, as Catholics and Orthodox claim either. We are instead told not to look down on other members of the body of Christ and that all are needful. We are expressly reminded to not say that the toe is less important than other seemingly more comely parts. Those types of churches are definitely the more flashy and comely parts, and they see themselves as The church, but the bible does say otherwise. Yet they can't see it. They just act like we as protestant Christians just aren't part of the body. Yet many of them do acknowledge that we are and it doesn't make sense.
I take his words at face value. What he practises is what he believes.
Tells me he does believe at least in the ideas that Abraham did. But not necessarily much farther than Abraham did.
It's in the right direction. But it's not yet at Christ, the Torah, or Mohammed.
I think he is more Zio Fascist than Christian, and esp Catholic for sure.
Babbling
JP is a true teacher of God. Those who claim belief are most often nauseating. I can’t stand being anywhere around them.
One can only say this as an unbeliever. If one were grafted into Christ, brotherly love toward all who are in his body would flow from them.
More court records
2009 Sordi case part 2
I will deal next with Dr. Peterson’s report entitled “Multiple rater response to play assessment description From Kawartha Family Court Assessment Service Report”. It is dated May 4, 2009. This is perhaps the most interesting of all of the reports that counsel for the respondent wishes the court to consider. It comes as close to “junk science” as anything that I have ever been asked to consider. Dr. Peterson’s evidence was that he did not consider himself to be an objective observer, if only because he only saw the respondent. Therefore, he took excerpts from the Kawartha Family Court Assessment Service Report dealing with the observations of the play sessions with the children and each parent. He then designed a questionnaire to explore the actions of the parents therein. He then sent all that to what he describes as “22 colleagues, psychologists, social and child care workers”. We know nothing of their experience. Five persons responded to his questionnaire. The following is Dr. Peterson’s description of those five:
You don't become Christian by following the Bible and living in guilt. Christianity is a lifestyle, not a doctrine. And its one you live to the fullest, by trying every drug and making love to beautiful women. It doesn't mean avoiding sin and being harmless. Life is good. So live it up, and do well onto others.
Part of me wonders if JP is constantly avoiding public declarations of faith, because as soon as he does, he’ll lose a lot of fans and followers from one side or the other.
Jordan Peterson believes god is a "meta-metaphor" and not real in the same way most Christians believe in god. This is why he is not willing to call himself either a Christian or an Atheist. He thinks that People too dumb understand it in that way (most people) should probably just believe it like a fairy tale because that still infers the benefits. And i agree with him unfortunately, hes just to scared to say that in most situations, if you listen to the debates he has with Harris closely, he reveals this.
Jordan Peterson should get to know Howard Elseth
That jacket!
I know right. He's been doing the bizarre suit jackets for awhile. I guess he's having fun w/ it. I find it kind of distracting, but many love it.
But he didn't say he prays the rosary, or that he is willing to take up his cross. Isn't he kind of stating that unless he is willing to take up his cross, he cannot commit? And so, he is in the right place. He CAN'T enter the church at this moment. With his understanding, any priest could baptise him and give him confirmation right then and there, like St Philip to the Ethiopian eunuch, but he is not ASKING for it at this point. Leave it to his wife. He is her cross, her prayer crusade. In God's good time. This part of the interview was actually the worst placed question. Sorry, Matt 😢 With love, greetings from Japan by a Slovak raised in heavenly Austria where crucifixes still adorn the classrooms.
So has he said hes a Christian, as in given himself to christ? I dont care which denomination. I am cautious of possible wolves in sheeps clothing.