Tha is for this video.. I now have all my questions answered. Thank you! I've always been skeptical about 2 links after hearing it's not safe for air ride, and it's better to do a 4 link suspension. But now I understand them more clearly.
Thank you Lawrence I've been rolling on a 2 link for the last 5 year never had a problem. Been looking at 4 link. But after your class I'll save my money and buy something else
Great video and topic! I do want to add on a a little bit of the off center wheels. I was curious about this myself so i drew up a couple different link bar lengths to see how much travel the wheel goes back in forth. Before i say the numbers the graph i drew up would be setting the bar parallel to the ground at mid travel ( 4" ), of lets say 8 inches of total travel. 15" link bar has a total of .54" of movement 20" link bar has a total of .40" of movement 28" link bar has a total of .28" of movement 34" link bar has a total of .23" of movement I used to setup my link setups at "ride height" but was often told to set it a half travel to keep axle movement small as possible. I think the biggest problem people make is not setting up the bars parallel to mid height. So i went back to sketch up to test the theory of setting a 15" link bar parallel to the ground and full drop and going 8" up from there. The movement is now a shocking 2.31" from the original .54" I feel you, i can talk on this topic forever as well lol, keep up the videos. Keep on truckin'
scrappingpavement I would appreciate a little more info on 3 link setups I recently bagged the rear of my 97 GMC Sierra and I would like to know your opinion on pinion angle and where you would set it I like to drive with it low but I find it has a small amount of vibration and my pinion is up a little and I do have split drive shaft thanks in advance
@scrappingpavement thank you and that's why I say go with where your ride hight will be mainly for the pinion angle that is most important then the rest only matters for short times when you need to lift over something or lay at a show or lay to drag.
@projectc1500 the vibration could be coming from the carrier bearing. But my first guess would be. Get your tired balanced you would he surprised and then an alignment. If it's still doing it then I would try that carrier bearing. Hope this helps.
The Ring gear slings oil to the front. Pinion angle is more important for u-joint life and Binding. Case in point a 2wd and 4wd use the same rear but different Pinion angle. The 4wd pinion points up more. The factory lift blocks is Tapered.
Ive honestly never thought about axle fluid level transfer when debating 2 vs 4. Well done Lawrence. Its a very touchy topic. Im pro 4 link, and have tried a 2 link as I believe I mentioned on Faceyspace. Anyways, well done. Good information for sure.
Thank you for this video Sir, I like your basic build concept my myself. Personally and I know the "opinion" joke, but all the cantilever, bars, tubes and bent crap in a trucks bed just to hide a bag in there somewhere looks ridiculous.
Lawrence buddy great seminar on. suspension but technology is so far advanced in air suspension there are trucks that track and autocross on air but you are right they are all on 4 link 😊👍
so is a 2 link a bad idea on a 79 suburban where I will be driving it around town, and sometimes to shows 4+ hours from home seeing 80+ mph on the freeway? I just want it lowered, good ride, and air it out when I park
Another down side to doing a reverse link, is that u don't have much room to get the pivot point far enough away from your axle. The further away the pivot point is, the less your axle's pinion angle is gonna rotate.
Oh it's still used sometimes but it's no good using the main leaf only you place a bag center of the spring to provide lift same as a load helper spring. Biggest set back is axle wrap the one main leafed is not strong enough to hold things where they need to be. Just dangerous.
You need to tell people if you're talking about building a bagged truck or a 4 by 4 because your drawings are animated 4 links Three Links and two links don't travel that much I'm not trying to be a smart-ass a lot of it's got to do with how you put your brackets
Tha is for this video.. I now have all my questions answered. Thank you! I've always been skeptical about 2 links after hearing it's not safe for air ride, and it's better to do a 4 link suspension. But now I understand them more clearly.
Your welcome glad to help.
Thank you Lawrence I've been rolling on a 2 link for the last 5 year never had a problem. Been looking at 4 link. But after your class I'll save my money and buy something else
Your welcome check out bio customs comment they had some corrections to what I had said.
Great video and topic!
I do want to add on a a little bit of the off center wheels. I was curious about this myself so i drew up a couple different link bar lengths to see how much travel the wheel goes back in forth. Before i say the numbers the graph i drew up would be setting the bar parallel to the ground at mid travel ( 4" ), of lets say 8 inches of total travel.
15" link bar has a total of .54" of movement
20" link bar has a total of .40" of movement
28" link bar has a total of .28" of movement
34" link bar has a total of .23" of movement
I used to setup my link setups at "ride height" but was often told to set it a half travel to keep axle movement small as possible. I think the biggest problem people make is not setting up the bars parallel to mid height. So i went back to sketch up to test the theory of setting a 15" link bar parallel to the ground and full drop and going 8" up from there. The movement is now a shocking 2.31" from the original .54"
I feel you, i can talk on this topic forever as well lol, keep up the videos.
Keep on truckin'
scrappingpavement I would appreciate a little more info on 3 link setups I recently bagged the rear of my 97 GMC Sierra and I would like to know your opinion on pinion angle and where you would set it I like to drive with it low but I find it has a small amount of vibration and my pinion is up a little and I do have split drive shaft thanks in advance
@scrappingpavement thank you and that's why I say go with where your ride hight will be mainly for the pinion angle that is most important then the rest only matters for short times when you need to lift over something or lay at a show or lay to drag.
@projectc1500 the vibration could be coming from the carrier bearing. But my first guess would be. Get your tired balanced you would he surprised and then an alignment. If it's still doing it then I would try that carrier bearing. Hope this helps.
@@blacktahoe6409 always set your pinion angle the opposite of your transmission.
Example from my truck:
Transmission is at -3°
Axle set at +3°
The Ring gear slings oil to the front. Pinion angle is more important for u-joint life and Binding.
Case in point a 2wd and 4wd use the same rear but different Pinion angle. The 4wd pinion points up more. The factory lift blocks is Tapered.
Great video. By far the best explanation I’ve found. Now to bag my ranger 😁
Thank you very much.
Ive honestly never thought about axle fluid level transfer when debating 2 vs 4.
Well done Lawrence. Its a very touchy topic. Im pro 4 link, and have tried a 2 link as I believe I mentioned on Faceyspace.
Anyways, well done. Good information for sure.
Thank you bro
That's why i need automatic level sensors .... for when the wife rides with me so her side doesn't drag LMAO
Oh hell lmao your not even right for that one ahahahaha
*Good info, Prof. Duarte. Nice whiteboard..*
Thank you.
Thank you for this video Sir, I like your basic build concept my myself. Personally and I know the "opinion" joke, but all the cantilever, bars, tubes and bent crap in a trucks bed just to hide a bag in there somewhere looks ridiculous.
Your welcome I can understand ridiculous but at the same time it's a work of art for the builder.
Great video brother I'm going 4 link with a watts link
Thank you and awesome lots of control with that set up.
Lawrence buddy great seminar on. suspension but technology is so far advanced in air suspension there are trucks that track and autocross on air but you are right they are all on 4 link 😊👍
Thank you
Good video and Happy Thanksgiving and have a blessed day Keep On mini Truckin bro
Thank you and happy thanks giving to you as well.
so is a 2 link a bad idea on a 79 suburban where I will be driving it around town, and sometimes to shows 4+ hours from home seeing 80+ mph on the freeway? I just want it lowered, good ride, and air it out when I park
jea
2 link will do you just fine.
I have a c notched 85 nissan pickup. There is only one bar from left frame to right frane. Is this a 3 link system?
Another down side to doing a reverse link, is that u don't have much room to get the pivot point far enough away from your axle. The further away the pivot point is, the less your axle's pinion angle is gonna rotate.
Yes and know please check out my newest video showing even more on the reverse 4 link.
Great video man
Thank you
Explain a 3 link please
Same as a 4 link only the top bar is wishbone to triangular and support the rest axle
@@earthscraper69 thank u and love ur videos has help open my eyes to bagging my project s10
You're welcome
so what was the original theories behind using leaf springs back in the day?
I don't know I want alive yet
Lawrence Duarte I ment in a bag set up
Oh it's still used sometimes but it's no good using the main leaf only you place a bag center of the spring to provide lift same as a load helper spring. Biggest set back is axle wrap the one main leafed is not strong enough to hold things where they need to be. Just dangerous.
Is using Johnny joints better suited for 2 link?
They won't keep your axle centered so no i personally wouldn't use them
You’ll need to use a pan hard bar or watts link
But you should use one anyway.
You need to tell people if you're talking about building a bagged truck or a 4 by 4 because your drawings are animated 4 links Three Links and two links don't travel that much I'm not trying to be a smart-ass a lot of it's got to do with how you put your brackets
This is true I should have mentioned that I see your point
What if i wanted to daily my build?
Just depends on how you drive it daily as to what way you should do your suspension
Well id have to say ur normal daily drive some highway of course it be on a 93 silverado 1500 swb
Everyone has a different way they daily drive there vehicles bro.