I wanted to talk about the natural progression of deathcore over the decades, and how the community and natural evolution of the style could be taken notes from when it comes to other contemporary metal subgenres. What're your thoughts of deathcore as a genre?! Be sure to let me know down below!!!!!!! But for now, cheers, rock on, stay heavy and have yourselves a fantastic rest of your day or night, depending on when you see this!!!!!!! 🤘🤘🤘🤘🤘🤘🤘
Uh, no Deathcore is the opposite of Nu-Metal Nu-Metal was the peak of Metal back in the 2000s LP being back is a huge deal and BMTH is heavily influenced by them
The ONLY thing that SUCKS about deathcore is bands thinking that having a breakdown = good music. Thy Art does a LOT of breakdowns but they still churn out BANGERS. Idk, it’s a delicate process.
Deathcore is one of my least favourite genres because of how every band does the same thing, I do love whitechapel though for how emotional their music can be
It's called song structure comprehension lol. Humans naturally have pattern recognition and if he we hear the same chugga chugga djn djn in every song, we get used to it and then get bored
What i like about deathcore is that its so diverse. Theres the symphonic melodic stuff like lorna shore or shadow of intent, theres the more slammy stuff like within destruction or vulvodynia, theres the more proggy stuff like Fit for an autopsy(my personal favorite deathcore band) or Rings of Saturn, even like some slow doomy stuff like black tongue or acacia strain. It has a little something for everybody which i appreciate, and most of the time bands sound distinct from each other.
This year has been a blast for deathcore, Brand Of Sacrifice, Disembodied Tyrant, Immortal Disfigurement, Whitechapel, Bodysnatcher (Beatdown deathcore dont flame me), Oracle Spectre, Slaughter To Prevail, Darko US, The Browning, Oceano, Shadow Of Intent, Spite, Lorna Shore, Enterprise Earth, etc. Just so many goodies and options for anyone and I love it! In terms of who’s killing it rn though for me personally it 100% goes to Disembodied Tyrant
Btw there is also a wave of Deathcore Bands who revive the sound of myspace Deathcore. The Bands I know are Girl of Glass, Restricted US, Rev3rent, VictimBlamed, EyeSawGod, Psycho Frame(of course), Thus Spoke Zarathustra, Tracheotomy, Peacemaker FL, 9Dead, A Winter's Remorse, Lilith's Demise, Disfigured, D0nnie Brasc0, dont fear the end, May they Rest, Crucifiction, Shabriri, Slamwich, Ripe with Decay, The Devil went down to Georgia, Wocket Launcher, Consume the Assailant, Katywentmissing, Birthoftragedy and Destroy All! Humans. Every single one of them is jsut sooo good imo
My brothers forced deathcore on me after discovering Lorna. Honestly hard to believe I was appalled by it, given how much of it makes up my playlist now. Lorna, Slaughter, Brand, all the new guys are good, but there's just something about the ogs. I will NOT hesitate to call Whitechapel my favourite deathcore band, and the new single had me going "That's why he's the goat! THE GOAT!" I have so far enjoyed everything I've heard by Whitechapel, and can't wait for the new album. I do find it quite interesting to listen to the underground and see the way it's going, and also how the mainstream deathcore has managed to be mainstream without losing its punishment, and I can't wait to see where the genre goes next. I really like the more hardcore influenced approach by Brand and honestly prefer Slaughter when they're more groovy. Lorna are at their best when they're throwing in their black metal bits. Whitechapel are always at their best no matter what they do. Really can't wait to see the development of what is (somehow) one of the most successful metal subgenres!
Deathcore is just so fun. Whitechapel and Chelsea grin are my favorites of all time and honestly Tom barber is really killing the game along with Phil. DARKO US is so good and so just dynamic and fun and even CG’s new stuff is so clearly inspired by black dahlia murder. It’s very cool to see them go from the MySpace kids who made “I hate my ex girlfriend” death core to exploring dark fantasy, using symphonic elements, and even introducing cleans.
@@TheMetalTempestYTDisembodied Tyrant/Synestia and Psychoframe are incredible. DT/S is the new school deathcore done very very well. Psychoframe is like old school deathcore. Would recommend.
My brain got hardwired to 80s Thrash and 90s Death Metal in my teen years and that was when Deathcore was a really starting to take off (late 2000s/early 2010s). I always leaned to music that felt fast, so those two genres became my go-to. As a result, not surprisingly, I couldn't understand the hype for deathcore (and some degree still kinda don't). The idea of having to bring a song to a grinding halt to do a breakdown just didn't sound appealing to me. That's not to say I haven't tried on numerous occasions to try and get a better understanding, but I always just end up circling back to Thrash and Death.
lots of thrash & death have breakdowns. different from deathcore but still breakdowns. it actually gives you a break from the brutality like battery or antichrist - sepultura, thus making it just as brutal as when you started the song and even makes it even more like liege of inveracity
@@cecillianhater I think one of the main differences is (at least in my experience), thrash and death breakdowns still maintain the momentum of the rest of the song, and typically still groove pretty well. Most deathcore breakdowns I've heard seem to consist of the band playing random arrhythmic bullshit as slow as they possibly can while the vocalist makes unnecessary weird noises into the mic.
@@rcengineeri think it's mostly because it's more for fun at live shows instead of musicality, like death especially. i can't really stand slam either, and that's definitely loved for live shows instead of the artistry. modern hardcore is also obviously like this, while i'd argue that a lot of early hardcore is for the artistry
Deathcore was the only genre I feel like I got to be apart of. I was too young to be involved with death metal or the early metal core scene or even the nu metal movement. I felt like there was never gonna be a metal movement my I wound get to experience first hand. Unfortunately my introduction to the genre was the news of Mitch lucker passing away. All the alternative kids I had started making friends with at school were talking about it the next day. Keep in mind the heaviest thing I had heard up to that point was slipknot. They told me about who suicide silence were and I went home and listened to the cleansing for the first time. I was instantly hooked! After that I remember rabbit whole diving into death-core for days on end. I ended going to a FYE midnight release of or endless war by whitechapel and they have been in my top 10 favorite metal bands since. I’ve got to see Lorna shore and slaughter to prevail start off as opening bands going to arena status now. It the genre I feel the most at home in. I remember finally getting my phone back after basic training and the first thing I listened to was my death core play list and the at the time new suicide silence song love me to death.
I was really into deathcore back in 2018/2019 although I was mostly listening to older stuff like early suicide silence, Chelsea grin, and bring me. I don’t listen to it much nowadays but it’s still fun to go back to every once in a while. Contrary to what you said about a lot of bands building songs around a breakdown, I always thought it was annoying that there were a lot of bands who would write the most boring generic songs but thought they were hot shit because they had a great vocalist. Regardless, I have to give the genre props for continuing to stay relevant and interesting after all these years.
As a fan of fusion genres, hard agree. Though I think I tend to gravitate more towards some of the "older" stuff (I still maintain that The Price of Existence by All Shall Perish is the best album in the genre), I definitely find deathcore to be a genre I regularly find myself being pulled back into. It definitely gets kind of stale from time to time, with every band riding the same gimmick(s), but then something else comes along and kind of refreshes things for a while, possibly to a higher degree than most other genres I can think of, bar from maybe post-hardcore or something.
I am the exact same and agree with you. I love MySpace deathcore, especially with bands like All Shall Perish, early Suicide Silence, and early Chelsea Grin. However, I still love and listen to modern deathcore bands like Angelmaker, Lorna Shore, and Paleface Swiss.
I'm an old head ( or whatever they call it) I'm 49 and deathcore is my favorite genre! It's a definite evolution in extreme metal and way more creative than most of the other genres
Funny enough I was at the Polaris/Blessthefall show last night and the merch guy saw me wearing an Acacia Strain shirt and was like "hell yeah brother"
This feels like the flip-side to an opinion I’ve long held in that Metal is, in a positive sense, the most reductive genre (or ‘umbrella genre’ of which there are dozens if not hundreds of sub-genres) of music. This is essentially why it’s possible to cover basically any song in a metal instrumentation. The tighter the constraints for a process/protocol, the more variety there is to be found within those constraints. Pressure creates diamonds, degrees of infinity, blah blah blah. Cool video. Never thought I’d see a Korn, Slipknot, Dream Theater and MCR sticker all on the same wall.
It's funny, because despite getting into metal a few years ago I never came across or had any sort of feelings for deathcore until last year when i found about it. Never understood the hatred for it (besides a lot of overproduction issues) I always thought it was a dope concept and the bands I love from that genre pull that stuff really well. My favorites are Darko, All Shall Perish, Angelmaker, and Whitechapel. Also wanna shoutout Vulvodynia and Cabal, super brutal yet underrated bands.
new to deathcore and into Darko? hell yeah bröther I feel like if you check out old school Deathcore, old Death Metal, and old Hardcore, you appreciate the fusion that made Deathcore more and appreciate the evolution of that fusion into something new like Darko Us that much more. Just hoping my nerding out makes you nerd out, but I genuinely think you'll love (and hate) Deathcore more if you understand it's roots and how it was originally a fusion genre of Death Metal and Hardcore.
I listened to Metalcore and Deathcore for years before truly understanding how prominent the Hardcore genre was on creating the music that's all synonymous with "Metal" today. It's a good and bad thing simultaneously. The good stuff was worth it though.
I'm glad that Whitechapel returned. Between Visveral Retch and Kin, they definitely fell to the wayside in peoples minds in terms of Detahcore bands. The genre was so addle with these Lorna Shore moments, something that Whitechapel popularised with early songs like The Somatic Difilement and Devirgination Studies. Those gut wrenching moments in songs where all hell breaks loose. But the genre got over saturated to say the least. I think the last time they truly were effective was the Amongst the Low and the Empty breakdown. Not to be that guy, but it was just gross to a comedic effect and stoppped being heavy. But Visceral Retch helped prove that a forboding and dark atmosphere could build up a breakdown better than gagging into a mic for a minute.
No deathcore band will match the ferocity and aggression of early Converge or Beneath The Massacre. Except Veil of Maya, Born Of Osiris, Whitechapel, Bleed From Within, Lorna Shore and After The Burial, deathcore is fairly formulaic. Improving the melody, harmony and chord progression has kept deathcore alive because I honestly thought a lot of deathcore bands were gimmicky 10 years ago
I’ve been listening to deathcore for about 10 years now. I absolutely love it and its my favorite metal subgenre. I remember being in fifth grade in 2009 and coming across Hollywood Undead’s music video of “Young” and being blown away because I’ve never heard anything like that. From there I got into Slipknot, Asking Alexandria and slowly into deathcore.
I miss when Deathcore had death metal influences and hardcore influences. I think for the not so good deathcore bands, the style is too diluted with musicians and fans that don't know about the hardcore influences. Having that said, we'd be complaining if people didn't innovate. Darko Us is doing the weirdest shit to deathcore right now and I'm fine with it's lack of "pure/old school deathcore" because they're doing something creative and new. I still like deathcore even with my complaints and preferences for other genres.
I knew about deathcore since I was about 9 because of my brother listening to BMTH's "Count your Blessings" and Suicide Silence's "Disengage" but I didn't really know who they truly were at the time. It wasn't until I started working at Walmart in 2019 when a coworker really got me into the genre through Angelmaker and their self titled that they were going to drop later on that year. It went from them, to Brand of Sacrifice, to Shadow of Intent, Ingested, the list goes on! While it might not be as much of a go to genre for me now as it was then, I'll still go out of my way to see what bands are dropping shit, discover new bands, and bump things like Within Destruction's "Lotus" (which is probably one of the most unique and experimental deathcore albums I've listened to ever and I love it) or Angelmaker's "Dissentient" (REALLY solid album through and through) and just have a kick ass headbanging time
Deathcore is my favorite genre, from the really raw, unhinged, and brutal sound of MySpace deathcore. Shown with bands like early Suicide Silence, Count Your Blessings era BMTH, All Shall Perish, Winds of Plague, etc. To the modern deathcore bands like Angelmaker, Lorna Shore, Brand of Sacrifice, and Darko US. I just love how deathcore from its inception has been innovative and open to progress, unlike extreme metal genres such as Death Metal and Black Metal. However, I am not oblivious to the number of Lorna Shore copycats who only care about how brutal the breakdown is. As a whole, though there is a lot of oversaturation within the genre, if you sift through the bands, you will eventually find many bands who are pushing the mold of what deathcore is.
I personally agree that the deathcore community is much more open in comparison to other genres, gatekeeping sucks but in this genre I personally never found a situation like that
never understood the need for metal fans to compare metal to classical music I love Necrophagist and First Fragment, I'm definitely not opposed to classical and baroque influences in death metal, but the vast majority of metal does not have any classical influences in it.
Stumbled upon this band called Abbie Falls a few days ago, i think their No One’s above, No One’s below album slaps pretty hard. Also Brand of Sacrifice.
I found deathcore a few years ago and really grew to like it. I like more of the modern guys like Kyle, Will, and Alex, and a few others but i think its cool how the genre evolved into what it is today ngl. Course most of my family sometimes wonders where they “went wrong with me” because i was solely raised on church music for the first few years of my life. Anyone got any good recommendations for me? I havent listened to a lot of bands because i have the 3 i mentioned above on repeat most of the time lol.
if there was any actual "blackened" deathcore, that's actually blackened, not Symphonic metal with breakdowns, I'll gladly check them out edit: I totally respect what LornaShorecore bands are doing for metal, it's getting a lot of people into the genre. I just don't like it
Whitechapel have no bad records, that's a fact. You want some good OG deathcore? The Somatic Defilement, This Is Exile, A New Era of Corruption. Want a more groove-oriented album? Self-Titled, Our Endless War, Mark of the Blade. Want an alternative twist with some of the best clean vocals in metal (Phil is majorly underrated in the cleans department)? The Valley, Kin! And with this new single, we're going to get some pounding, heavy stuff for the next album. Whitechapel is the GOAT.
Metal in general is in a much healthier state in terms of cultural relevance and a huge chunk of that is thx to the inviting attitude of modern deathcore. One of my earliest experiences of extreme metal really clicking with me was when Rings of Saturn dropped Ulta Ulla back in 2017. Made the growls which at the time for me not feel like a hurdle and something that felt baller as hell. But yea you’re exactly right, you don’t have these unwritten subgenre blockers (for lack of better term) there’s no equivalent of osdm fans dismissing all tech death or 2nd wave Norwegian bm fans completely dismissing the symphonic black metal scene. With deathcore, it felt like every niche fucked with and appreciated each other. Creating this scene that encourages all approaches and is so intriguing from the outside looking in that bands outside of the style wanted try their hand at it like goddamn Cryptopsy in 2008. It’s rare to have all these pros be displayed in one sub genre of metal and deathcore definitely doesn’t get enough credit for it. Simply put, deathcore has the most vibes. Everytime I put on metalcore or deathcore from any era I just feel like imma party it up
Brother preach!!!! Deathcore is insanely diverse and open as fuck to experimentation which is why the recent elitism and bitchy fans annoy the fuck outta me
I would not fully agree in terms of gatekeeping For exmple there was the petition against Suicide Silence's self titled in 2017 (although it was really not great)
Deathcore is far from perfect. There used to be so many generic filler songs. The only band of deathcore that is perfect is Carnifex, then bands with one perfect album in the genre before evolving like The Faceless and Job For A Cowboy, then many bands with a few AMAZING songs and the rest of the CD being much weaker and then following them, bands like Lorna Shore have innovated after them to make the genre reach greater levels of potential. There is a lot of criticism from elitist metalheads, and some of it was rightfully deserved in the early days, but nowadays there has been so much evolution to the genre that it really has surpassed a lot of the so called "classic" death metal bands. Hate me if you want for telling it like it is. Nobody will hate me more than I hate myself
When you say deathcore "surpassed a lot of the classic death metal bands" do you mean that it's evolved more than death metal has, or that it has evolved in a way that makes it superior to death metal?
@@alexchism5192 Damm dude, you are absolutely right about Despised Icon. I only started listening to them last year and songs like MVP and In The Arms Of Perdition are masterpieces. Thank you
@@digitalmortality2001In my opinion, it is much heavier than most of them, it has better production quality, and personally as someone who grew up listening to classic death metal before I was even a teenager, I would buy albums from the most beloved bands in the genre, only to find that I liked only the song that made me buy the CD in the first place, and not enjoying the rest of the album. Modern technology has really made Deathcore surpass the attack of traditional metal simply for the fact that it is much easier to use DAWs abd other digital equipment than the analog equipment that the OG death metal bands recorded their albums on
@@brandonharris9160 I don't really focus on production value all that much, especially on a music style where high quality production is not a priority. I think classic death metal albums such as Altars of Madness or Seven Churches are fine as they are with their lower quality production because the music is still top notch. There are some instances where it might hinder the experience but I'd say I've built some endurance to that from all my time listening to extreme metal.
God dammit; it's about my tenth attemp to get into something that has ,,core" in it's name and I end up with one song that I like a bit, while the rest was just boring slog. Sorry guys. It doesn't want to be any other way
I disagree, I think it peaked in 2009-2010, everything after became an over produced, MacBook sounding stale nonsense across the board. The things that made the genre cool in the beginning got lost in “good production”. Everyone is entitled to disagree with me, but that’s how I feel as a former deathcore kid coming up when it wasn’t mainstream pop metal yet. Tbh I think the djent craze played a part in ruining the genre, again no disrespect to anyone that disagrees with me.
Never got into this genre it does simply nothing to me. When I was your age I was into metalcore, then moved on to death and black. Trust me in less than 5 years you probably wont listen to deathcore anymore. To me the fry vocals are lame, and the breakdowns kill it. I have enjoyed some songs from the genre like Whitechapel - I Will find you and quite a few from Shadow of Intent when they were experimenting on the album Elegy with a lot of MDM and symphonic elements, as soon as they went back to their deathcore roots I was out.
deathcore is one of the genres with the most copycats, most of them try to sound like lorna shore, wich is a mix of shadow of intent and infant annihilator. Djentcore is boring and overproduced, everyone uses the same amp sims, presets, samples and vocals. Slaughter to prevail is instrumentally mid and are only popular for alex terrible's youtube career. Myspace deathcore was more authentic, but still was just at the gates copypaste and repetitive 1 powerchord breakdowns and is now liked for nostalgia but back then was hated by most people. There are great bands that while not being groundbreaking still do good generic deathcore like and hell followed with or as blood runs black. You say death, grind and black metal haven't evolved, that's bs, check out the avant garde and dissonant scenes or the tech and progressive scenes. Even bands like wormrot have released more groundbreaking stuff than any of the new deathcore bands, wich even if they sound professional technically and production wise, they are uninspired and rely on gimmicks, over the top breakdowns and memes to make tiktoks of.
I've seen more deathcore bands than straightforward death metal. And I've seen them with my Dad. And he likes them too, which makes me happy. Especially since in senior year, I listened to a lot of Whitechapel, Suicide silence (mitch era), Carnifex, Thy Art Is Murder, etc and was scared to show him them. I will say I used to be a big fan of Jhofffilms and I took that very seriously and wouldn't listen to anything Chris said wasn't good. I also would follow killbot and gorgor attack (still do) and blackmetal werewolf in bands they like. Then I found Infant annihilator and I remember just going "Holy fuck" and I slowly got out of the mindset that I used to have. Especially when I found Countblagorath, and I just found more and more bands. Now I listen to what I want to. If you don't like the band, fine. But don't bash someone else for enjoying them.
Deathcore has a redundant trope melody while having little to no fucking melody. Dun-Dun-Dun Dun-Dun-Dun REPEAT Nu-Metal has been the most expansive and inportant of any metal genre. Deathcore will never make melodic metal. Just breakdown shitcore.
@@nikitost0p85 This boomer has been listening to Metal for thirty years. The past decade has sucked. Dont blame me for having taste. This new Metal is a bunch of posers with tattoos like they passed out in a mens room and they got drawn all over. Whinny redundant un-original breakdowns with nothing to say besides what has already been spoken. Falling in Reverse is fucking lame. Lorna Shore, all of them, its fucking emo-core with breakdowns. Lame.
I wanted to talk about the natural progression of deathcore over the decades, and how the community and natural evolution of the style could be taken notes from when it comes to other contemporary metal subgenres. What're your thoughts of deathcore as a genre?! Be sure to let me know down below!!!!!!! But for now, cheers, rock on, stay heavy and have yourselves a fantastic rest of your day or night, depending on when you see this!!!!!!! 🤘🤘🤘🤘🤘🤘🤘
Uh, no
Deathcore is the opposite of Nu-Metal
Nu-Metal was the peak of Metal back in the 2000s
LP being back is a huge deal and BMTH is heavily influenced by them
The ONLY thing that SUCKS about deathcore is bands thinking that having a breakdown = good music.
Thy Art does a LOT of breakdowns but they still churn out BANGERS. Idk, it’s a delicate process.
Deathcore is one of my least favourite genres because of how every band does the same thing, I do love whitechapel though for how emotional their music can be
I love Thy Art so much and I miss CJ so bad
It's called song structure comprehension lol. Humans naturally have pattern recognition and if he we hear the same chugga chugga djn djn in every song, we get used to it and then get bored
What i like about deathcore is that its so diverse.
Theres the symphonic melodic stuff like lorna shore or shadow of intent, theres the more slammy stuff like within destruction or vulvodynia, theres the more proggy stuff like Fit for an autopsy(my personal favorite deathcore band) or Rings of Saturn, even like some slow doomy stuff like black tongue or acacia strain. It has a little something for everybody which i appreciate, and most of the time bands sound distinct from each other.
Bro! Fit For an Autopsy is so fire! They literally do NOT miss.
Vulvodynia is super underrated and fun.
@@rixbyte7438 never really got into their music much, kris's solo lead tones are a solid 9/10
He lives in a liminal space
This year has been a blast for deathcore, Brand Of Sacrifice, Disembodied Tyrant, Immortal Disfigurement, Whitechapel, Bodysnatcher (Beatdown deathcore dont flame me), Oracle Spectre, Slaughter To Prevail, Darko US, The Browning, Oceano, Shadow Of Intent, Spite, Lorna Shore, Enterprise Earth, etc. Just so many goodies and options for anyone and I love it!
In terms of who’s killing it rn though for me personally it 100% goes to Disembodied Tyrant
Btw there is also a wave of Deathcore Bands who revive the sound of myspace Deathcore. The Bands I know are Girl of Glass, Restricted US, Rev3rent, VictimBlamed, EyeSawGod, Psycho Frame(of course), Thus Spoke Zarathustra, Tracheotomy, Peacemaker FL, 9Dead, A Winter's Remorse, Lilith's Demise, Disfigured, D0nnie Brasc0, dont fear the end, May they Rest, Crucifiction, Shabriri, Slamwich, Ripe with Decay, The Devil went down to Georgia, Wocket Launcher, Consume the Assailant, Katywentmissing, Birthoftragedy and Destroy All! Humans. Every single one of them is jsut sooo good imo
brutha always comin in support
My brothers forced deathcore on me after discovering Lorna. Honestly hard to believe I was appalled by it, given how much of it makes up my playlist now. Lorna, Slaughter, Brand, all the new guys are good, but there's just something about the ogs. I will NOT hesitate to call Whitechapel my favourite deathcore band, and the new single had me going "That's why he's the goat! THE GOAT!" I have so far enjoyed everything I've heard by Whitechapel, and can't wait for the new album. I do find it quite interesting to listen to the underground and see the way it's going, and also how the mainstream deathcore has managed to be mainstream without losing its punishment, and I can't wait to see where the genre goes next. I really like the more hardcore influenced approach by Brand and honestly prefer Slaughter when they're more groovy. Lorna are at their best when they're throwing in their black metal bits. Whitechapel are always at their best no matter what they do. Really can't wait to see the development of what is (somehow) one of the most successful metal subgenres!
You pretty much right and by chapel releasing that brutal masterpiece they did. Just shows you deathcore ain't going anywhere at all
Deathcore is just so fun. Whitechapel and Chelsea grin are my favorites of all time and honestly Tom barber is really killing the game along with Phil. DARKO US is so good and so just dynamic and fun and even CG’s new stuff is so clearly inspired by black dahlia murder. It’s very cool to see them go from the MySpace kids who made “I hate my ex girlfriend” death core to exploring dark fantasy, using symphonic elements, and even introducing cleans.
Shoutouts to the newer bands
Disembodied Tyrant
Oracle Spectre
Psycho-Frame
Larcenia Roe
Oh shit, will have to check these out!
@@TheMetalTempestYT Lmk what you think!
They're all pretty good I really like to the grave specifically directors cuts
@@TheMetalTempestYT damn you have to listen to psycho frame
@@TheMetalTempestYTDisembodied Tyrant/Synestia and Psychoframe are incredible.
DT/S is the new school deathcore done very very well. Psychoframe is like old school deathcore. Would recommend.
It's a good time. I'm in a few Facebook groups centered around it and people are pretty cool.
My brain got hardwired to 80s Thrash and 90s Death Metal in my teen years and that was when Deathcore was a really starting to take off (late 2000s/early 2010s). I always leaned to music that felt fast, so those two genres became my go-to. As a result, not surprisingly, I couldn't understand the hype for deathcore (and some degree still kinda don't). The idea of having to bring a song to a grinding halt to do a breakdown just didn't sound appealing to me. That's not to say I haven't tried on numerous occasions to try and get a better understanding, but I always just end up circling back to Thrash and Death.
lots of thrash & death have breakdowns. different from deathcore but still breakdowns. it actually gives you a break from the brutality like battery or antichrist - sepultura, thus making it just as brutal as when you started the song and even makes it even more like liege of inveracity
you aren't obligated to like anything. deathcore is mostly very crappy
@@cecillianhater I think one of the main differences is (at least in my experience), thrash and death breakdowns still maintain the momentum of the rest of the song, and typically still groove pretty well. Most deathcore breakdowns I've heard seem to consist of the band playing random arrhythmic bullshit as slow as they possibly can while the vocalist makes unnecessary weird noises into the mic.
@@rcengineeri think it's mostly because it's more for fun at live shows instead of musicality, like death especially. i can't really stand slam either, and that's definitely loved for live shows instead of the artistry. modern hardcore is also obviously like this, while i'd argue that a lot of early hardcore is for the artistry
@@rcengineer My sentiments exactly.
I'm just happy some music I listen has success.
Deathcore was the only genre I feel like I got to be apart of. I was too young to be involved with death metal or the early metal core scene or even the nu metal movement. I felt like there was never gonna be a metal movement my I wound get to experience first hand. Unfortunately my introduction to the genre was the news of Mitch lucker passing away. All the alternative kids I had started making friends with at school were talking about it the next day. Keep in mind the heaviest thing I had heard up to that point was slipknot. They told me about who suicide silence were and I went home and listened to the cleansing for the first time. I was instantly hooked! After that I remember rabbit whole diving into death-core for days on end. I ended going to a FYE midnight release of or endless war by whitechapel and they have been in my top 10 favorite metal bands since. I’ve got to see Lorna shore and slaughter to prevail start off as opening bands going to arena status now. It the genre I feel the most at home in. I remember finally getting my phone back after basic training and the first thing I listened to was my death core play list and the at the time new suicide silence song love me to death.
First of all, hair lookin' good king!
Also, i agree. I think the variety of deathcore / metalcore is undeniable.
I was really into deathcore back in 2018/2019 although I was mostly listening to older stuff like early suicide silence, Chelsea grin, and bring me. I don’t listen to it much nowadays but it’s still fun to go back to every once in a while. Contrary to what you said about a lot of bands building songs around a breakdown, I always thought it was annoying that there were a lot of bands who would write the most boring generic songs but thought they were hot shit because they had a great vocalist. Regardless, I have to give the genre props for continuing to stay relevant and interesting after all these years.
As a fan of fusion genres, hard agree. Though I think I tend to gravitate more towards some of the "older" stuff (I still maintain that The Price of Existence by All Shall Perish is the best album in the genre), I definitely find deathcore to be a genre I regularly find myself being pulled back into. It definitely gets kind of stale from time to time, with every band riding the same gimmick(s), but then something else comes along and kind of refreshes things for a while, possibly to a higher degree than most other genres I can think of, bar from maybe post-hardcore or something.
I am the exact same and agree with you. I love MySpace deathcore, especially with bands like All Shall Perish, early Suicide Silence, and early Chelsea Grin. However, I still love and listen to modern deathcore bands like Angelmaker, Lorna Shore, and Paleface Swiss.
I'm an old head ( or whatever they call it) I'm 49 and deathcore is my favorite genre! It's a definite evolution in extreme metal and way more creative than most of the other genres
As Blood Runs Black and Through the Eyes of the Dead.... that is all thank you
Can’t wait to see Whitechapel and Lorna next month deathcore has been great lately
when those dotted quarter note riffs hit you can't help but destroy shit
Funny enough I was at the Polaris/Blessthefall show last night and the merch guy saw me wearing an Acacia Strain shirt and was like "hell yeah brother"
This feels like the flip-side to an opinion I’ve long held in that Metal is, in a positive sense, the most reductive genre (or ‘umbrella genre’ of which there are dozens if not hundreds of sub-genres) of music. This is essentially why it’s possible to cover basically any song in a metal instrumentation.
The tighter the constraints for a process/protocol, the more variety there is to be found within those constraints. Pressure creates diamonds, degrees of infinity, blah blah blah.
Cool video. Never thought I’d see a Korn, Slipknot, Dream Theater and MCR sticker all on the same wall.
Deathcore is my favourite metal genre.
It's funny, because despite getting into metal a few years ago I never came across or had any sort of feelings for deathcore until last year when i found about it. Never understood the hatred for it (besides a lot of overproduction issues) I always thought it was a dope concept and the bands I love from that genre pull that stuff really well. My favorites are Darko, All Shall Perish, Angelmaker, and Whitechapel. Also wanna shoutout Vulvodynia and Cabal, super brutal yet underrated bands.
new to deathcore and into Darko?
hell yeah bröther
I feel like if you check out old school Deathcore, old Death Metal, and old Hardcore, you appreciate the fusion that made Deathcore more and appreciate the evolution of that fusion into something new like Darko Us that much more.
Just hoping my nerding out makes you nerd out, but I genuinely think you'll love (and hate) Deathcore more if you understand it's roots and how it was originally a fusion genre of Death Metal and Hardcore.
I listened to Metalcore and Deathcore for years before truly understanding how prominent the Hardcore genre was on creating the music that's all synonymous with "Metal" today. It's a good and bad thing simultaneously. The good stuff was worth it though.
@@XueYlva You know it. Definitely excited to dive deeper into the genre.
I'm glad that Whitechapel returned. Between Visveral Retch and Kin, they definitely fell to the wayside in peoples minds in terms of Detahcore bands. The genre was so addle with these Lorna Shore moments, something that Whitechapel popularised with early songs like The Somatic Difilement and Devirgination Studies. Those gut wrenching moments in songs where all hell breaks loose. But the genre got over saturated to say the least. I think the last time they truly were effective was the Amongst the Low and the Empty breakdown. Not to be that guy, but it was just gross to a comedic effect and stoppped being heavy. But Visceral Retch helped prove that a forboding and dark atmosphere could build up a breakdown better than gagging into a mic for a minute.
No deathcore band will match the ferocity and aggression of early Converge or Beneath The Massacre. Except Veil of Maya, Born Of Osiris, Whitechapel, Bleed From Within, Lorna Shore and After The Burial, deathcore is fairly formulaic. Improving the melody, harmony and chord progression has kept deathcore alive because I honestly thought a lot of deathcore bands were gimmicky 10 years ago
I’ve been listening to deathcore for about 10 years now. I absolutely love it and its my favorite metal subgenre. I remember being in fifth grade in 2009 and coming across Hollywood Undead’s music video of “Young” and being blown away because I’ve never heard anything like that. From there I got into Slipknot, Asking Alexandria and slowly into deathcore.
I miss when Deathcore had death metal influences and hardcore influences. I think for the not so good deathcore bands, the style is too diluted with musicians and fans that don't know about the hardcore influences.
Having that said, we'd be complaining if people didn't innovate. Darko Us is doing the weirdest shit to deathcore right now and I'm fine with it's lack of "pure/old school deathcore" because they're doing something creative and new.
I still like deathcore even with my complaints and preferences for other genres.
That's a hot take, my impression at least form the circle I'm in is that deathcore isn't taken seriously
It really isn't.
I knew about deathcore since I was about 9 because of my brother listening to BMTH's "Count your Blessings" and Suicide Silence's "Disengage" but I didn't really know who they truly were at the time. It wasn't until I started working at Walmart in 2019 when a coworker really got me into the genre through Angelmaker and their self titled that they were going to drop later on that year. It went from them, to Brand of Sacrifice, to Shadow of Intent, Ingested, the list goes on!
While it might not be as much of a go to genre for me now as it was then, I'll still go out of my way to see what bands are dropping shit, discover new bands, and bump things like Within Destruction's "Lotus" (which is probably one of the most unique and experimental deathcore albums I've listened to ever and I love it) or Angelmaker's "Dissentient" (REALLY solid album through and through) and just have a kick ass headbanging time
Angelmaker is such a good band
Deathcore is my favorite genre, from the really raw, unhinged, and brutal sound of MySpace deathcore. Shown with bands like early Suicide Silence, Count Your Blessings era BMTH, All Shall Perish, Winds of Plague, etc. To the modern deathcore bands like Angelmaker, Lorna Shore, Brand of Sacrifice, and Darko US. I just love how deathcore from its inception has been innovative and open to progress, unlike extreme metal genres such as Death Metal and Black Metal. However, I am not oblivious to the number of Lorna Shore copycats who only care about how brutal the breakdown is. As a whole, though there is a lot of oversaturation within the genre, if you sift through the bands, you will eventually find many bands who are pushing the mold of what deathcore is.
I personally agree that the deathcore community is much more open in comparison to other genres, gatekeeping sucks but in this genre I personally never found a situation like that
Although I don't listen to deathcore too much, I enjoyed most of the songs I listened to.
Death music to me is classical music with a blast beat and with a demon as a singer. To be honest.
never understood the need for metal fans to compare metal to classical music
I love Necrophagist and First Fragment, I'm definitely not opposed to classical and baroque influences in death metal, but the vast majority of metal does not have any classical influences in it.
Agreed I love Lorna shore and slaughter to prevail. Any recommendations for more deathcore
Stumbled upon this band called Abbie Falls a few days ago, i think their No One’s above, No One’s below album slaps pretty hard.
Also Brand of Sacrifice.
@@AsherOvSacrifice I’ll check them out
as blood runs black
I think Infinite Death EP by Thy Art Is Murder is peak deathcore
I am happy to learn …
But have reservations..
I found deathcore a few years ago and really grew to like it. I like more of the modern guys like Kyle, Will, and Alex, and a few others but i think its cool how the genre evolved into what it is today ngl.
Course most of my family sometimes wonders where they “went wrong with me” because i was solely raised on church music for the first few years of my life.
Anyone got any good recommendations for me? I havent listened to a lot of bands because i have the 3 i mentioned above on repeat most of the time lol.
Angelmaker, Tony Danza Tapdance Extravaganza, Chelsea Grin
Deathcore is the most boring genre of meral because it all sounds the same
if there was any actual "blackened" deathcore, that's actually blackened, not Symphonic metal with breakdowns, I'll gladly check them out
edit: I totally respect what LornaShorecore bands are doing for metal, it's getting a lot of people into the genre. I just don't like it
Whitechapel have no bad records, that's a fact. You want some good OG deathcore? The Somatic Defilement, This Is Exile, A New Era of Corruption. Want a more groove-oriented album? Self-Titled, Our Endless War, Mark of the Blade. Want an alternative twist with some of the best clean vocals in metal (Phil is majorly underrated in the cleans department)? The Valley, Kin! And with this new single, we're going to get some pounding, heavy stuff for the next album. Whitechapel is the GOAT.
Metal in general is in a much healthier state in terms of cultural relevance and a huge chunk of that is thx to the inviting attitude of modern deathcore. One of my earliest experiences of extreme metal really clicking with me was when Rings of Saturn dropped Ulta Ulla back in 2017. Made the growls which at the time for me not feel like a hurdle and something that felt baller as hell. But yea you’re exactly right, you don’t have these unwritten subgenre blockers (for lack of better term) there’s no equivalent of osdm fans dismissing all tech death or 2nd wave Norwegian bm fans completely dismissing the symphonic black metal scene. With deathcore, it felt like every niche fucked with and appreciated each other. Creating this scene that encourages all approaches and is so intriguing from the outside looking in that bands outside of the style wanted try their hand at it like goddamn Cryptopsy in 2008. It’s rare to have all these pros be displayed in one sub genre of metal and deathcore definitely doesn’t get enough credit for it. Simply put, deathcore has the most vibes. Everytime I put on metalcore or deathcore from any era I just feel like imma party it up
Brother preach!!!! Deathcore is insanely diverse and open as fuck to experimentation which is why the recent elitism and bitchy fans annoy the fuck outta me
I still think Suicide Silence is a great band. Their last two albums ripped and they’re great live
I would not fully agree in terms of gatekeeping
For exmple there was the petition against Suicide Silence's self titled in 2017 (although it was really not great)
Deathcore is far from perfect. There used to be so many generic filler songs. The only band of deathcore that is perfect is Carnifex, then bands with one perfect album in the genre before evolving like The Faceless and Job For A Cowboy, then many bands with a few AMAZING songs and the rest of the CD being much weaker and then following them, bands like Lorna Shore have innovated after them to make the genre reach greater levels of potential. There is a lot of criticism from elitist metalheads, and some of it was rightfully deserved in the early days, but nowadays there has been so much evolution to the genre that it really has surpassed a lot of the so called "classic" death metal bands. Hate me if you want for telling it like it is. Nobody will hate me more than I hate myself
I'd argue despised icon has an almost perfect discography as well. totally agree on everything, though.
When you say deathcore "surpassed a lot of the classic death metal bands" do you mean that it's evolved more than death metal has, or that it has evolved in a way that makes it superior to death metal?
@@alexchism5192 Damm dude, you are absolutely right about Despised Icon. I only started listening to them last year and songs like MVP and In The Arms Of Perdition are masterpieces. Thank you
@@digitalmortality2001In my opinion, it is much heavier than most of them, it has better production quality, and personally as someone who grew up listening to classic death metal before I was even a teenager, I would buy albums from the most beloved bands in the genre, only to find that I liked only the song that made me buy the CD in the first place, and not enjoying the rest of the album. Modern technology has really made Deathcore surpass the attack of traditional metal simply for the fact that it is much easier to use DAWs abd other digital equipment than the analog equipment that the OG death metal bands recorded their albums on
@@brandonharris9160 I don't really focus on production value all that much, especially on a music style where high quality production is not a priority. I think classic death metal albums such as Altars of Madness or Seven Churches are fine as they are with their lower quality production because the music is still top notch. There are some instances where it might hinder the experience but I'd say I've built some endurance to that from all my time listening to extreme metal.
God dammit; it's about my tenth attemp to get into something that has ,,core" in it's name and I end up with one song that I like a bit, while the rest was just boring slog. Sorry guys. It doesn't want to be any other way
I disagree, I think it peaked in 2009-2010, everything after became an over produced, MacBook sounding stale nonsense across the board. The things that made the genre cool in the beginning got lost in “good production”. Everyone is entitled to disagree with me, but that’s how I feel as a former deathcore kid coming up when it wasn’t mainstream pop metal yet. Tbh I think the djent craze played a part in ruining the genre, again no disrespect to anyone that disagrees with me.
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Not gay, but cheers :]
Never got into this genre it does simply nothing to me. When I was your age I was into metalcore, then moved on to death and black. Trust me in less than 5 years you probably wont listen to deathcore anymore. To me the fry vocals are lame, and the breakdowns kill it. I have enjoyed some songs from the genre like Whitechapel - I Will find you and quite a few from Shadow of Intent when they were experimenting on the album Elegy with a lot of MDM and symphonic elements, as soon as they went back to their deathcore roots I was out.
deathcore is one of the genres with the most copycats, most of them try to sound like lorna shore, wich is a mix of shadow of intent and infant annihilator. Djentcore is boring and overproduced, everyone uses the same amp sims, presets, samples and vocals. Slaughter to prevail is instrumentally mid and are only popular for alex terrible's youtube career. Myspace deathcore was more authentic, but still was just at the gates copypaste and repetitive 1 powerchord breakdowns and is now liked for nostalgia but back then was hated by most people. There are great bands that while not being groundbreaking still do good generic deathcore like and hell followed with or as blood runs black. You say death, grind and black metal haven't evolved, that's bs, check out the avant garde and dissonant scenes or the tech and progressive scenes. Even bands like wormrot have released more groundbreaking stuff than any of the new deathcore bands, wich even if they sound professional technically and production wise, they are uninspired and rely on gimmicks, over the top breakdowns and memes to make tiktoks of.
There's new deathcore bands that play MySpace deathcore. Check out Psycho-Frame, Rev3rent, and Peacemaker FL, they have some good stuff
Things only stop being metal if they are ultra popular or not brutal .
I've seen more deathcore bands than straightforward death metal. And I've seen them with my Dad. And he likes them too, which makes me happy. Especially since in senior year, I listened to a lot of Whitechapel, Suicide silence (mitch era), Carnifex, Thy Art Is Murder, etc and was scared to show him them.
I will say I used to be a big fan of Jhofffilms and I took that very seriously and wouldn't listen to anything Chris said wasn't good. I also would follow killbot and gorgor attack (still do) and blackmetal werewolf in bands they like. Then I found Infant annihilator and I remember just going "Holy fuck" and I slowly got out of the mindset that I used to have. Especially when I found Countblagorath, and I just found more and more bands.
Now I listen to what I want to. If you don't like the band, fine. But don't bash someone else for enjoying them.
No
Deathcore has Brojob. That's literally all you need to know for how awful it is. Jussayin'.
Deathcore has a redundant trope melody while having little to no fucking melody.
Dun-Dun-Dun Dun-Dun-Dun
REPEAT
Nu-Metal has been the most expansive and inportant of any metal genre.
Deathcore will never make melodic metal. Just breakdown shitcore.
i dont like deathcore but there's an entire subgenre called melodic deathcore and a lot of modern deathcore like lorna shore are very melodic
I've never seen more boomer comment than this one
@@cecillianhater Sorry Mate. Lorna Shore is whinny emo bullshit. I dont need a yap dog crying about how much of a loser he is. That dog dont hunt.
@@nikitost0p85 This boomer has been listening to Metal for thirty years. The past decade has sucked. Dont blame me for having taste. This new Metal is a bunch of posers with tattoos like they passed out in a mens room and they got drawn all over. Whinny redundant un-original breakdowns with nothing to say besides what has already been spoken.
Falling in Reverse is fucking lame. Lorna Shore, all of them, its fucking emo-core with breakdowns. Lame.
@@OverlordOfDarkness95 Sorry Homie. That song sounded like every other song that came before itm