The Top 5 Most UNBALANCED Cards in Bloons Card Storm
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- Опубликовано: 8 сен 2024
- and how I would fix them
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For those who are new to this channel, I just want to point out that we try to keep the conversation civil and logical here. The Fry Em Up channels have been an oasis from the kind of toxicity that exists in other places of the internet, and I plan on keeping it that way.
I've been really happy with the civility and comradery I have seen so far from the past-and-present greater Bloons communities, and it's an honor and privilege to become a small part of that.
I realize that by making this video I am opening myself up to future criticism, especially if my proposed fixes turn out to be too strong or weak in future updates, but that's part of the fun of this type of conversation. I am in no way making this video to bash any of the decisions of the Bloons Dev Team, rather, it's just to respond to one the main purposes of the beta test, which was to receive feedback about balance changes. I decided to share my thoughts in video form as well as the feedback form requested by Ninja Kiwi.
Please keep it very civil, and always try to validate where people are coming from before criticizing them. Not just to me, but more importantly, to other comments and other members of this awesome community.
Thanks, and I can't wait to see what the future holds for this awesome game.
I didn't think about the changes being too much or too little when making that comment for some reason but good point
I think that you did a great job with your opinions about BCS. Your knowledge from PvZH and making the most random decks based on synergies really gives a new perspective on how to play the game compared to a BTD6/Battles 2 youtuber. Plus it would be funny if your changes becomes op as PvZH is pretty much disappointing in terms of changes (if there is even any at all).
@@forthemworthyyeah there's nothing wrong with a fun meta even if there are cards that are better than others
sigh starch lord is the most overrated card in the entire game. I can't stand it when people think starch lord is good. You guys, this is a 4 cost card that has 2 attack and 4 health. It has garbage stats. Now let's look at it's abilities. When you play a root, it gets +1/+1. Thats almost no- think about it. In order to get this up to the actual stats that it needs to be as a 4 cost card, this would have to buff like 2 roots just to break even. It would have to grow 3 roots to actually be viable. The fact that people think that it is a good idea to start drawing cards on turn 5, it really means you have no idea how to play pvz heroes. It's way too late! This is- it's- you dont make a deck that has roots in it, that's not a good strategy, there are some good roots in the game but you just have to put too many roots in it. It's drawing cards on turn 5, the last turn you're gonna be drawing cards as a plant player is going to be on turn 3. it's so overrated, it's just a big piece of trash, just look at this guy, a big ugly guy. it's based on by the way the worst Marvel superhero in the entire Marvel Fra- actually universe of Superheroes in the entire history of the planet, star-lord, who is a simp, douchebag, has no superpowers, is the lamest, dumb. and do you know what, it's appropriate cuz this is the stupidest card in the game and it's based on the stupidest Marvel superhero ever. This is so overrated, It's so grunts it's so, I'm sticking this in F tier I don't even care.
@@Cow1751 xD
It is really funny how the Banana Farm is the best tower in BTD5, BTD6, BTD Battles and every single game it's in. Literal Akuma of Bloons
This applies to a lot of games because when you make money from farms it helps you get more farms until you are making really high money per round or wave to spend on defences for the otherwise really hard waves
-Rose- Banana farm refuses to be nerfed.
Raging banana 👹
Tbh, from a game centered around monkeys, it shouldn't be surprising lmao
THE RAGING DEMON
"A lot of games just came down to who got more banana farms. Whoever gets more banana farms wins."
Congrats, BCS, you successfully recreated BTD Battles.
Quick Ready = Time to Shine
exactly.
So it should cost 1, right?
@@HoverMelon2000 lol
More like plant food or lurch for lunch
Except you can run more than one in your deck. Imagine if Captain combustible could main deck multiple copies of time to shine. He’d have turn -1 lethal
the super monkey’s reload time makes no sense at all, it’s supposed to be a tower that shoots supremely fast
They forgor
maybe they could just increase the ammo
Super Monkey with 6 ammo and 30dmg with 2 cooldown
Super Monkey: 15 attack x6, reloading 3 per round dynamically. That would reflect its tower design in the BTD series. What you're suggesting sounds like something a top path sniper like Maim MOAB could be, one attack for 300+ damage, on a long reload time, and increasing the target's delay by 1
I totally agree that what I'm suggesting, as well as the way super monkey is built now would fit better with a sniper. And that super monkey should have something more rapid fire.
The whole point of super monkey is that it’s just dart monkey, but it attacks super fast, so I think same cost, 4 20 dmg shots and reload of 1
9:54 I can't believe they're overpowered AGAIN. What is it with goated dev teams and making their economic units this strong?! I love it!
It's kinda on purpose at this point
Believe in the new cause Fry, dont doubt, the views will come make sure to look at the others that are going into this game too maybe collab at some point and share thoughts n off course make videos.
thanks! this is just what I need to hear. So far, the views have been coming as well :)
We are dw
I am so excited for the future of this game! It's like rediscovering pvzh.
This will either age like milk or fine wine.
true, kind of setting myself up for future criticism.
At least in this game there’s a chance for you to find out if your suggestions actually work
@@raiden8929 bro get a life
So much to staying kind
He used a nice metaphor, and the PvZH suggestions barely aged ever
@@BaumBanane yeah and it's not like this joke was immediately obvious, i made it so it can be even funnier in the future, hell the joke itself can age.
As a bloons fan and a FryEmUp enjoyer, I am very excited about what the future holds
Fry, I would watch your PvZ Heroes content when it was first released; and then 2 years ago I had a surgery that made me bed-ridden for a couple of weeks. I binged all the content I missed and had a blast watching you play a card game you loved. It would concern me that the state of the game was on a timer, but now that you have come to really like BCS, I am really happy to see that there is new content for you to relish in. I'll be watching even if I don't play BCS myself lol
glad i could bring some positivity to your life, thanks for your kind words
One of my big worries for BCS is Ninja Kiwi's tendency to omit crucial information from the description of cards. In BTD6, some upgrades have flavor text rather than actual descriptions of their abilities and many entire mechanics are completely hidden and you can only really find out about it by reading the wiki. We already see this with tack shooter so hopefully they address this problem.
Also, when destroyed and when popped aren’t explained properly
But after a few games we’d probably find out what the cards actually do, still annoying especially for new people
Same worries here. Being able to know what your opponents cards to are key to victory, and can be problematic if it's not clear enough (the fact "on destroyed" and "on popped" seem to mean the same is a testament)
Hopefully they do it like we have in pvzh: description on the card and flavour underneath it. Still able to fit personality while being informative
We can see why you were one of the few RUclipsrs invited to play this game without being a solely Bloons channel. Fry knows what he is doing!
So fry something cool we found, youtuber ISAB ended up going superlate game all the way up to round 28! This led to the storm using many unused cards in the main game here are a few of them.
A card that stuns an opponents monkey for 1 turn that costs 2 gold.
A double rainbow bloon that costs 10 gold and can be played twice but only has 350 hp.
A double ceramic bloon that costs 7 and can played twice.
A double yellow bloon that costs 5 and can be played twice but has 140 hp.
By "Double" im assuming they spawn 2 bloons at once?
There are also a few extra modifiers after late game!
At turn 24, everyone recives double damage
At the end of turn 20, bloon spawns from the storm double (but not stun for some reason).
At turn 17, the storm plays cards every turn
And an extra note, the storm will eventually be able to play pink bloons >:D.
this is really neat stuff, i'll have to try and force a game that late some time.
Tack shooter can also counter pink bloons (it damages attacking bloons), making it even more overpowered (you said in your previous video that pink bloons cannot be countered) although yes they can wait for it to reload it still does something to pink bloons as opposed to every other option. I can't wait for overdrive (an upgrade of tack shooter) to drop and counter everything.
i only mentioned tack shooter in passing because monkeys being underpowered seems like the more pressing issue than the one that is overpowered. I could def see tack shooter getting a small nerf in the future though.
I haven’t been this excited for a game in a while, BTDbattles 2 was neat but too fast paced for me. This is the perfect Bloons pvp game and I can’t wait to build decks
same fr
the Black and White balloon are intended to be a pair of cards, as in main BTD they both are released from the same bloon when it is popped. Thus, the card draw effect is likely going to stay - I believe it should always draw when it leaves the field, no matter how it does so, however.
The Super Monkey is known for fast attacks - dropping its recharge to 1 and adjusting attack power accordingly makes sense, with the idea you proposed of a slow, high-power nuke fitting another monkey more - an upgrade of Sniper Monkey in BTD6 fits that perfectly.
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I say the shift is good one. I feel like many PvZ hero viewers would enjoy watching this
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Loving the pivot, the future is bright for u
thank you!
This is definitely a game that has tons of potential. It seems like it will be an extremely fun, strategic, and has tons of room for additions from the bloons universe. Im glad you're giving it valid ideas/balance changes, and I hope this game will become successful and bring tons of players to it as well as your channel. Keep it up, Fry!
I really hope they buff sniper monkeys damage extremely. I like the idea of him having 1 shot but 1 shot of 50 will always be worse than 2 shots of 25, to lose all that versatility in who you are targeting the one shot monkeys should do way more damage. It would still be counter able by smaller bloon swarms.
exactly
Looks like Ninja Kiwi always got a problem with Banana Farm! XD
Top 5 Most UNBALANCED Person:
1) Fry Em Up now carrying Ninja Kiwi
2) Fry Em Up's goons
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What if super monkey instead had 1 turn reload BUT the damage is reduced to 20/25 since it's a super monkey, it shoots fast without dealing high damage
Its so awesome to see someone who doesn't know much about bloons cover the new game, I subscribe
yeah, i'm def way behind in my bloons knowledge, hopefully i'll pick it up as time goes by.
@@FryEmUpbloons has like 15-20 unique hero’s and over 300 upgrades for monkey towers. And bloons get special properties too (camo, regrow, lead, purple, fortified) so lots of potential for new cards
Banana farm is basically the non nerfed brain galaxy environement in pvz heroes
So happy to see you really diving into this game, I just love how you can tackle a brand new card game like this and analyze these nuanced elements, it reminds me of your PvZ Heroes tier lists with very thoughtful responses, so excited for the future of this game and this channel!
Fry: "I am going to move to a game where devs listen (and care...?) and relay the balancing issue.
*issues
you know you can edit comments right
But for real guys ninja kiwi devs are so good. Like look on the wiki at patch notes. 10-20 buffs and nerfs every update for BTD6 and BTD Battles 2
@@toast3374 I know...
It is kind of silly, but I wanted to keep the heart. (Thx Fry. He was quick.)
It's wild to see fry moving pvzh content in the other channel after years of making it here but it's honestly refreshing
6:12 hey its me being compared to crossbow.
Hey Monke Baby 😉
I'm glad someone else shares the same opinions on how the farm would be fixed cause I've talked to a lot of people that seem to think that just increasing the price by 1 would be enough despite having either High Finance or a single Cash Drop being able to still play it in a single turn.
Maybe it's a beta thing, but I don't like how little counterplay there is to Pink bloon. Unless you have Quincy passive or a tack shooter, it's a guaranteed 20% of your total health for 4. It's kinda like if explody imp was an overshoot card lol
I think the only thing keeping it in check is the fact you (for now) can only run a max of 3 copies of a card, so you can't just rush that many of them.
I'm actively trying to make a scratch version/port of this game so I'll take notes for a balance patch
I am so excited to play more of this game in future playtests. It's been so much fun already and Ninja Kiwi is quite possibly one of the best dev teams out there for making fun, reasonably grindy, and plain good games (and they stick with balance updates for a longggg time 😅)
Great video. Ive been watching since fry streamed back when the bathroom was right behind his chair and black sweater days. Ive always wondered whats after PvZ heroes since no other card game turns cards into real life moving figures, until now, and this looks like a great for the channel
man that was 2017, thanks for staying with me all these years!
"*sigh* super monkey is the most overrated card in the entire game. I can’t stand it when people think starch lord is good. You guys, this is a 8 cost card that has 60 attack and 3 shots at an4 turn reload time. It has garbage stats. Now let’s look at it’s abilities. When you play it, you deal a bit of damage and that's it. Thats almost no- think about it. In order to get this up to the actual stats that it needs to be as an 8 cost card, this would have to attack twice just to break even. It would have to attack 3 times to actually be viable. The fact that people think that it is a good idea to do one wave of damage for 8 cost, it really means you have no idea how to Blooms Card Strom. It’s way too late! This is- it’s- you dont make a deck that has monkeys in it, that’s not a good strategy, there are some good monkeys in the game but you just have to put too many monkeys in it. It’s one burst of damage for 8 gold, the last turn you’re gonna be doing damage as a monkey player is going to be on turn 3. it’s so overrated, it’s just a big piece of trash, just look at this guy, a big ugly guy. it’s based on by the way the worst DC superhero in the entire DC Fra- actually universe of Superheroes in the entire history of the planet, super-man, who is a simp, douchebag, has no superpowers, is the lamest, dumb. and do you know what, it’s appropriate cuz this is the stupidest card in the game and it’s based on the stupidest DC superhero ever. This is so overrated, It’s so *grunts* it’s so, I’m sticking this in F tier I don’t even care." - Fry Em Up doing the monkey tier list probably. Anyways, nice video fry, hopefully these cards will be adjusted when the game comes out.
IT'S HERE!
Thanks for the new copy pasta, extra points for the fact you even changed the superhero rant to be applicable
Just wanted to comment to say that it's great seeing you so excited for this game, it makes me super hyped myself and can't wait to see what the future holds
fry oh fry where do i begin...
I can’t tell if this is a positive comment or a negative one 😂
@@hunterclarke7799 it's so positive I love this man
thx
great suggestions Although I believe they need to make it more like actual balloons such as making the money have counters like 1500 so the banana farm can give 150 per round at a 4 cost to. balance and some of the units mentioned here like crossbow costs 425
Its ironic that super monkey has such a long reload since in the main game its known for its speed
yeah it's pretty ironic. but i do like the idea of some tower being super strong and slow, just for variety.
I feel like if banana farm was 3 cost 1 gold, or 5 cost 2 gold, it would be outclassed by supply drop or be too bricky.
I think 2 cost 1 gold, or 4 cost 2 gold.
My biggest wish for bcs is actually the progression
Ninja kiwi messed up badly for btd battles 2 and the launch went really poorly
I hope they’ve learned their lesson and nail the launch first try. Being a card game it’s doubly important that the game doesn’t become yet another mobile cash grab, there’s too much potential for it to be wasted
I just love that you, Fry, are so into this game. Really, apart from PvZ Heroes, there was no other game that you would have dealt with so much. Besides the fact that I really want to play with this game, I'm most looking forward to seeing what you can get out of it. What ideas do you create, what kind of decks, how will you react to various updates or changes. 🦎
The thing is, I've seen videos from other Bloonstubers, both with smaller and larger subscribers. However, no one raised the hype meter in me as much as you Fry. Just seeing how you react to simple things in the game just makes me want to play BCS more, even though I know I can't yet.
I have a feeling this is going to be another very long relationship for you. You and Bloons Card Storm.💚
(And, I'd still like to see you try out Marioman98's PvZ Heroes fangame, which is available on Itch. And how to react to new cards. 🙄)
thanks, yeah a game like this only come around once every, well, 8 years.
Though i love fry’s pvz heros videos, it’s refreshing seeing his commentary on another game.
I love the switch up of content! I liked PVZH but this game is great I subbed! Once the game fully comes out I can’t wait to watch u make good decks
Oh and since you not gona do pvzh on the main channel, are you gona change profile picture and if yes what is it gona be
Someone needs to draw fry in the BCS art style
I might change the frying pan to a balloon, but I'll probably only do that after making content for this game for many months.
@@FryEmUp maybe someone could draw you in the btd6 style
@@FryEmUp If you do, we might encouter each other in the future in a stream. When that happens, I promise I won't look at your stream. If my name is FunFreddyBon or Gargantuas12 that would be me
i agree with the on destroyed being activated on face damage it makes the most sense
Honestly, quincy's passive should have reduced the 10 damage when the bloons are going to hit face, since "NoThInG gEtS pAsT mY bOw" and the get past his bow when they hit face
I think it would be cool for the super monkey to stay at 60 damage but get a lot mroe ammo, like 6-8 ammo (maybe then make it more expensive as well), that way you have a very unique card where you need to balance how much ammo you use becasue you will have to wait that long reload. For most other monkeys you just dump the ammo all at once all the time to get max dmg. would be cool to have that aspect where you can have super high burst but when you run out you are vulnerable. (maybe also then make the reload even higher like 5 or something since taht amount of 1 turn burst would be insane)
this is another good option, and would fit a bit better with the rapid-fire nature of Super Monkey in past games. Say 60 damage with 5 ammo instead of 3x100
What’s crazy is that when this game releases they’ll probably have stronger (but more expensive) versions of the banana farm like banana central, and monkey Wall Street
It would be neat if super monkey fan club buffer super monkeys, perhaps by reducing cooldown by one
My super monkey balance suggestion-
Keep him at a high gold cost. Lower his damage to about a dart monkey, but increase his ammo significantly and make his reload a little quicker.
This way the super monkey becomes a low single shot, high dps tower similar his original role in the tower defense games.
I feel like the game would work better with simultaneous turns and resolution phase, and I want it to be a 4 way battle but that’s a personal preference.
I have a feeling that this video is gonna turn into a new copypasta in the future
These videos on BCS are so cool and I'm excited every time one comes out! I'm itching for the game to be out already so I can play it and I can't wait for all the videos you're going to make on it! I can imagine the highlight/fail comps, tier lists, and meme decks already! And the balancing you suggested here seems really good to me!
My take on the "on destroyed"/"on popped" effects is that they could be replaced with an "on first hit" effect. For the golden bloon the opponent has a choice to not pop it, and tank the 70 damage maybe in the early game where HP is not as big a deal, or delay popping it a bit. And when playing it into quincy's passive, it would get that gold immediately so it could be a powerful combo card, like reds but more situational. Maybe make it give back 2 gold if it's too powerful. The black bloon would be a white bloon with a 1 turn delayed card draw essentially, because most people would not tank the 130 health.
I think with the effect they were going for it could also relate to health thresholds. That way a powerful bloon can still have the effect, but the opponent can't whittle it down to 10 health without activating the card. So if there was a 400 health bloon the activation could be related to say going below 100 health.
I agree with all of your commentary on what should be changed! My hope for this game is that it has regular balance changes to keep it fresh
random thoughts:
- super monkey is known as a high-rate-of-fire low-damage tower in the BTD games, so I think its damage should remain low and the amount of projectiles it has increased - I do really like what you say about keeping it as a bail card, so you can deploy it and wipe a ton of bloons at once, but it needs more shots for that
- sniper monkey has a really interesting upgrade in BTD6, Maim Moab -> Cripple MOAB that stuns bloons, I'd love to see "On hit: increases target bloon delay by 1"
- classic banana farm being too stronk. an interesting idea could be to delete regular banana farm and instead have "IMF" - costs 2-3 gold to play, and in 2-4 turns generates 5-10 gold as a once-off (it goes away afterwards). This would be less oppressive, less stacky, and give counterplay, which I think could be cooler than money go brrrr
11:04 I thought that maybe making banana farm cost 2 and give 1 could still make it viable, but not nearly as game changing.
i forgot to mention that possibility in the video, the problem with that would be that it could be played on turn 1, which is so OP
Very nicez the only card that i feel really needs to be here is Return 2 Sender. Completely denying any danger a BFB can pose or the damage from an expensive monkey and making them have to SPEND THE GOLD TO PLAY IT AGAIN is so nuts for 4 gold.
I used to think this way, but someone made a good argument, that big bloons grant bloontonium and big monkeys attack immediately, so the even when bounced, that huge cost doesn't totally go to waste. add that to the card advantage given to the opponent when bouncing cards into their hand, it could be BCS has actually balanced cheap bounces. I get your opinion too though, I think we'll really have to wait till the game comes out to test this more
@@FryEmUp you're still forcing the opponent to respend the gold on a card they've already played and that can be an entire lategame turn's worth of gold if you bounce the correct thing, besides, you're usually bouncing a tower that would attack immediately anyway
Just by the looks of it Bloon Embiggen is an insane win condition.
An increase in the price seems reasonable, but that's just based on what I've been seeing.
In previous btd games, black bloons where immune to explosions and white where immune to ice. It might be that black bloons are underpowered because we havent seen any sort of towers that do explosions.
I think that if they gave the Crossbow Monkey the same ability as the Sharp Shooter would be good, dealing double damage when at full ammo.
Both of them come from the same 'upgrade tree' in Bloons, so it'd be neat to have something to tie them together, and show that connection better
Fry one question : are you not allowed to say when this game goes public or do you genuinely have no idea. Anyway I can’t wait for it to come out and will definitely be there when it launches
they haven't announced an exact date yet just "Q3", I will be covering this and other news in an upcoming video.
July-September is when they said it will likely come out
Okay good to know
Are you gonna try to become a News RUclipsr for BCS or keep it at gameplay and mechanics? In PvZH there wasn’t many news to report on so you couldn’t try it
@@BaumBanane until the game comes out mostly news. once the game comes out though, it will probably be mostly gameplay and strategy, with occasional news updates sprinkled in.
Basic supermonkey is always really expensive and trash in all the games lol.
I think quick ready should cost more when used on bigger bloons like +2 cost for ceramics and +4 cost for moabs.
7:30 "Big BFB... BFB starts with Big, would I come into your home and ask for a coffee coffee or a chai tea?"
i think you deserve a 🤓
@@FryEmUp it was just a into the spider verse reference man 😥
@@addicteddawn6763 yeah no worries. I'm just joking. And I still haven't seen spiderverse so, my bad
@@FryEmUp ma fault slime 🫶
ngl they need to get fry on the design team
One thing to note about the card strengths is that like PvZH, BCS will have a rarity system. Sniper monkey is probably as strong as it is because it is a „legendary“ card, and NinjaKiwi wants to make money from the game so Legendary cards will probably be the most powerful. Still, with Super Monkey being a „rare“ card it should be stronger than 45/turn (1-cost dart monkey does 20/turn (although two dart monkeys cost 2 spaces and the devs probably overestimated the value of board space, thus making the more expensive monkeys worse))
Ready for the future of this!
Not to mention that sharpshooter is even MORE buffed by gwen, affected by effectively 4 x 5 damage up.
Farm always manages to be op no matter the dame its in
maybe they could just give SM more ammo and lower atk since the gimmic with it everywhere else is literally many weak attacks
Ninja kiwi should hire this guy.
I think banana farm is going to be healthier in a state where monkey towers can get removed for cheap, since monkey towers are inherently reactive I think having cheap ways to remove them would actually be fine for the game overall, you lose the value of their reload but you already got value from their damage.
One thing that comes to mind is that in the home game btd6, there's a hero named Adora, who has an active ability where she can sacrifice monkeys to strengthen herself. Now I think a mechanic like that would need a lot of tweaking to not just be a "gg bad matchup" situation, but the idea of removing monkeys from the board for very little cost is consistent with the game's universe already.
Or maybe not straight up removing them, but disabling their abilities or actions for a few turns, something like that. Shoot maybe give banana farm a reload time lol. In general I think that banana farm is strong right now because it gets almost guaranteed value, you will very rarely be punished for playing it, which is an issue for ramp cards who should carry the inherent risk of "I'm playing a weaker game now for a stronger game later on"
Farm being op in every game is very consistent
I think a cool idea to balance banana farm would be to make it cover 2 monkey slots as in the base game their area was quite large as well
10:51 "Just to break even"
Where have I heard that before?
it's a term used for businesses, how much revenue they need to just to cover their expenses. I think Gordan Ramsey uses it a lot when talking about restaurants, for example.
They also generally use that term when doing day trading
The farm definitely needs a delay on the proft. If it takes a couple of turns, it will be punishable by cards that eemove monkeys, which we currently have one confirmed that will remove a monkey with 20 attack or less
Fun fact: Using the formula MaxDamageInOneRound/RoundToNextUse (Including round used)/cost, super monkey is better than crossbow by about 5, although super monkey just is worse, somehow
2 cards I have noticed that you didn't mention.
Heal 100 for 3 needs a buff. I would double the healing to 200 or reduce the cost to 1
The 3 cost that returns monkeys or bloons is really strong and should get a price increase
I'm not really surprised that you are now making bloons cards storm content and I don't really mind it was inevitable
I agree with all the cards on this list, but I think bloon embiggen is also realy strong, I expect combo decks based around that and swarm bloons to pop up once we get acess to deck building, almost like a firestorm or other aoe damage bait deck.
What about the pink balloon? I THINK it’s broken right?
Of course the banana farm is busted in this game too
Isnt pink bloon also a bit unbalanced? other than tack shooter, there's no way the opponent can react to it
it's very strong i agree, but not as much as quick ready that can push hundreds of damage to face instantly. maybe pink deserves a small nerf, or maybe there will be more towers like tack shooter that will counter it.
@@FryEmUpi think pinks should be nerfed since if tacks are also nerfed, then pinks would be even more op.
Fry this is such an interesting video, im liking the new content ❤
Glad you enjoy it!
I wonder if the weak towers are just because they might be making an upgrade tower system? Like in cardfight vanguard? ( but considering how there are multipe dart towers, it won't prolly be happening) . Some towers definitely do tend to be on the weaker side, esp when towers are already weaker than bloons.
Do agree with your takes in this video
Super Monkey could be more true to the tower in attacking much faster. Maybe a late game version of Dart Monkey where it reloads every turn and does 40 damage or so.
agreed
When i first saw other youtubers play this game i thought it looked boring even for a beta but your streams and videos really changed my perspective ❤
I appreciate that!
I feel like super monkey should be a 4 cost 40 damage with 3 darts and reload speed because it is a normal super monkey and not like a sun temple or plasma blasts
Also Great video Fry keep up the good work😁
hey fry i have a deck idea for pvz heros in the deck is a mix of science and leap with hg my deck uses
4. neutron imp
4. drone engineer
4.beam me up
4.dr space time
3.what ever environment adds 2 atk
3. imp troughing imp
4.leap
4. leap station
4.pogo
3.gadjet scientist
3.helcopter
this deck has so much synergy its crazy the main problem i have with science decks is that i don't have both my helicopter or gadget scientist with a leap station on the board i can turn these weak high cost cards into high power cards. there is a high concentration of cheap environments in this deck so neutron imp is crazy with zombot drone engineer .if you can get one of each on the board early on hgs super powers grow neutron imp and you can passively set up environments for late game ( like leap station) while agroing your opponent you can control small cards as well with these bonus attacks you also have beam me up to control. there is a lot of 2 cost cards in this deck i like this because hg super makes these cost one and with free neutron imps you can flood the board easily if you want better curve you could use inter dimensional zombie(i do not own this card so i have not test it same with teleportation zombie)because of all the cheap science environments and easy leapablity. when i use this deck it feels like every card works with each other the ability to play long game or agro is crazy .
would really apricate to see your version of my deck love your videos fry(ps if you want to credit me just call me eggstar)
They need to add cards with which you can steal gold from the opponent, so stashing gold would become a risk aswell. Or cards with which you can steal an opponents random monkey.
Banana farm needs to play around the 5 tower limit. It should cost 3 and generate 1 gold. And then there could be something like marketplace that costs 6 and generates 2 gold per turn. Despite marketplace being a direct upgrade that saves space, it's balanced out because banana farm can be placed earlier, generating more gold in the time it takes to set up the marketplace.
Oh lol you said basically what I did
I think crossbow monkey should be a lesser version of the sharp shooter as in the btd games it’s the upgrade is before sharp shooter, maybe keep it’s damage but add 1 ammo.
how i would balance quick ready is i would make you play it before you play a bloon so the opponent can play around (also maybe make it a minimum of 1 to balance it more)
I’m really exited for this game to come out, it looks really fun so far
What is your opinion on situational costs? Like making quick ready and return to sender's cost adjusted by the cost of the target monkey/bloon.
Also discovered your channel recently and I'm loving it!
seems a bit technically complicated.
Thank you. welcome!
Super monkey and Crossbow definitely should be buffed