Ageism in the workplace: What older workers can do to stay employed
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- Опубликовано: 8 янв 2019
- A new study claims about 56 percent of Americans over the age of 50 have faced or could face "employer-driven" job loss, according to ProPublica and the Urban Institute. Last year, two longtime Ohio State University teachers reached a settlement after suing for age discrimination. In our Work in Progress series, we partnered with LinkedIn to take a closer look at issues affecting the workforce. LinkedIn editor-in-chief Dan Roth joins "CBS This Morning" to offer practical tips for how older Americans can protect themselves in the workplace.
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This is a cautionary tale. This is why as you get closer to that age group, you have to HUSTLE.
- You MUST have multiple streams of income, like side gigs and investments.
- You MUST throw in as much money as you legally can in your 401K and IRA. Remember that you can start collecting on it when you’re only 59 1/2, and if you have a disability, you can get a waiver to collect sooner.
- You MUST cut your expenses and keep your debt at zero or nearly zero.
The reality is that in a company layoff, unless you’re an executive, older workers are the first to go, and it takes an older worker longer to find a comparable position than a younger worker, so they have to take positions at a significant pay cut. You have to be prepared for a longer unemployment stretch or a lower pay grade.
A lot of companies now cleverly force out older works by eliminating jobs older higher paid
More content like this please! Age discrimination keep getting more common.
Yeah- them laughing about it like a bunch of ditzes kind of undid what good they could potentially have done.
I heard that age discrimination for women start at 35
it depends how you look like, age is a number
same for men
For a model you are retired
For men it starts at 40
Why? 35 is still your
I'm 56 and building neural network machine learning models. However, I'm far and away the oldest on the (my) engineering team. My management is in their 30's and can't understand how predictive analytics works. And I get the sense that I'm gone when the next culling of the herd occurs. And I will never be able to apply my skills at this level ever again if I get canned.
And it's funny how it's backfiring.
We see companies that try to push out all the older Gen X and replace them with Y and Z, then they complain how these younger kids quit too easily or they have no work ethic, or they thought they would be technologically advanced, but they're only advanced in things the company doesn't need. So perhaps those younger workers are savvy with social media, but have tons of trouble using MS Excel or something of that nature.
Obviously this was 3 years ago when this article came out, so we didn't have the pandemic and the great resignation. I can understand a company not wanting to hire an older worker because that older worker is showing that they are behind on their skills, and worse, unwilling to be managed by someone younger. Just because you are older doesn't mean you should instantly be management.
However, there are many older workers that have the skills, experience, and an incredible work ethic. They don't complain if they have to work past 5:00. They don't sit there expecting a raise and promotion every year just for showing up and doing the job.
I'm also reading now how the unfortunate reality of many youth is that they spend so much time in regimented play time and activities that they are suddenly lacking in creativity and problem solving skills. I hope they can catch up, but it's again another reason why corporate America shouldn't just dismiss anybody above the age of 50.
Affirmative action for workers aged 45 and older. Because ageism begins way before 50.
Very true. I began getting passed over as I started to approach 40. And, no, it was not an issue of money because I was willing to take what was being offered. Employers just want fresh out of college applicants and don't seem willing to accept anything else...
@@AngelaBaldi They are so much easier to pull the wool over their eyes- I'm convinced that is a big part of it as well.
Plain & simple,.... When a company can hire a younger worker for cheaper,....beware.
Reminds me of an old truth in business though- "There's never enough time or money to do it RIGHT, but they always find the time or money to do it OVER".
I am 53 and I applied and interviewed for two jobs and I did great.
For some reason I did not get both jobs even though I aced the interviews and acessments...wow what a shame.
IM 51 AND BEEN REJECTED FOR JOBS LIKE 50 TIMES MAYBE MORE
IM DISABLED TOO
Same
IM 52 AND LEARNING DISABLED MY WHOLE LIFE
DOZENS OF REJECTIONS EVEN IN LAST 25 YRS
GOT NO REFERENCES TOO - MY FORMER BOSS DECEASED
NOT MUCH HELP
Because Sohail HR
I call bs, employers are paying new younger people more that experienced one and the younger employees get the cushy jobs that older ones should get do to they have earned the position.
This is what I think also.
I hate this "gotta keep up with technology" crap! Who do you think worked from using DOS, through windows in it's beginnings and all the freezes and lock ups, lost data, etc through today's point and click? WE DID!! My last job was hooking up NETWORKS together for college classrooms, sound systems and projection equipment. I had at least 3 training classes a year on updated technologies for the past 12 years. Most of the technologies they're looking for are really tight butts, smooth skin and possibilities for "fun times" (sexually). Plus our H(W)EALTH and liability insurance skyrockets putting even more of a burden on employers who want to hire and keep us old fogies on the job but it's more business prudent to let us go and hire young ones since all this "complicated" technology basically does all of the work today and all you need is a warm body there to push buttons or click an arrow to get the job done. And this trend is going to spread more and more down the line of employees until we're ALL unemployed to tech replacements. WAKE UP NOW because the water's already boiling for the upper 50% of workers and warming up fast for everyone else! We must CHANGE our social construct of having to work outside the home to be paid because that idea is ALREADY OBSOLETE! Employers, who you going to sell your goods or services to if nobody is working? That's why retail, restaurants and thousands of businesses are closing today because NOBODY'S working enough to BUY YOUR STUFF! THINK! Let common sense come back to your future planning. Politicians! SEE PREVIOUS STATEMENT! No workers...NO TAXES!
Well the politicians really don't care ... especially most of the super wealthy ones ... and many employers don't care about the workers .
And i see your comment was made before Covid hit ... needless to say things are so much worse now .
Now that they figured out a lot more jobs can be done from the home , which is actually a good thing for many people ... regretfully the heartless powers-that-be will start outsourcing THOSE jobs , too ... hard times ahead for many many people who don't deserve it .
Absolutely. I am a 57 year old IT director that see a bunch of 20 somethings that don't know how to use Office 365
It's even worse if you're an older worker and get caught up in a layoff, it's not easy finding another job when you're 55 to 60 years old.
My wife has been looking for 8 months now and has had many interviews most of which seem to go fantastic, and then she gets the dreaded email we decided to go in another direction.
In my mind that means a younger worker because my wife definitely has the experience.
Exact same situation here. I sometimes am made to feel like a "Make a Wish Child" in the interview process- much like African Americans are made to feel when being given sham interviews for NFL head coach positions under the Rooney Rule. They are "interviewed", but never considered seriously.
I have been looking for 6 mos, definitely ageism.
You probably use age discrimination by saying because I'm old
Same here, and had to sell my new car, and will soon have to sell my home at a loss, and rehome my dog and go live in my 25 year old SUV (until it dies, then I'm a hobo). Laid off 5 years before retirement and no one will hire me. A lifetime of hard work, and I get to live on the riverbed to show for it.
We should be fixing this country's discriminative unethical business hiring practices, not catering, cowering or figuring how to beat it...
In 1988 I have a young former student and friend who worked in Japan and he said he saw a building which is 60% vacant but are field with desktop non-stop customized computers because Japan does not import foreigners but rather have machines do the job because of lower birth rates which created a labor shortage. Now I was informed by someone that Japan won't hire foreigners, especially American millennials, they rather have machines and robotics do the job. BUT THEY HOLD ON TO THEIR OLDER WORKERS THAT THEY HAVE BEEN UPGRADING EDUCATIONALLY AND RETRAINING EVERY 2 TO 3 YEARS inorder to supervise and oversee the machines FOR THEY HAVE INVALUABLE WORK EXPERIENCES. American employers does not care for their workers because they do not upgrade their education and training every 2 to 3 years. No nation is perfect but JAPAN IS DIFFERENT and is light years ahead in manpower upgrading management and in educational upgrading and skills upgrading. Americans wastes their local manpower potential by not doing the same thing that the Japanese are doing.
@@darthvader5300 And the primary reason for that is the people of Japan RESPECT AND HONOR their Senior citizens...values which are glaringly absent in America...
Ageism isn't covered in HR departments under their DEI initiatives. That is one bigotry still allowed to flourish in companies today.
@@cuivre2004 Because it saves them on the pay scale and the cost of benefits, it will never change. They will jsut fnd new and improved ways of perpetuating it while making it dificult to prove in a legal sense.
@@jenniferliggett6385 I'm not so fatalistic- people said the same thing you said about racial discrimination and justified it just as you are doing. I've observed much more employer loss due to time away due to maternity and paternity leave etc. from the younger workers than I see from the more senior workers in my place of employment. Sheer work ethic over-rides any absenteeism in the senior staff. Also, there is not necessarily a higher salary cost for more senior people- the salary posted is the salary posted- the candidate can make the decision to take it or leave it, IF offered the job. The problem is, they aren't even offered it to begin with!
Having gone through this being laid off at > 60. Realize you can’t stop people from considering your age even if you’re at the top of your game. As for your present employer they may think just how many years does she have left to give us ?? and you can’t stop that from happening ! But for NEW employers they CAN’T ask you your age! So don’t sabotage yourself by putting a birthdate, a graduation date or any other dates on your resume that will lead to your direct age !!! Once they meet you then you can win them over in person.
Anytime you feel you are being discriminated against KEEP a daily journal 📓!!! Even tabs would be nice !!! The big picture will be eye opening !!! For example if you didn’t get training and they just threw you in there keep that UN-filled out training list ! KEEP hard copies of inappropriate e-mails and if there was an inappropriate in person meeting follow up with a summary e-mail to document it and run off your hard copy. Over 60 in the past and most likely still is a protected age. Although employers act as if they don’t know this ! And employment at will states do not help either ! If they are not giving you the tools to be successful in the beginning document, document, document. Good luck getting a lawyer to take it on though probably not enough money in it.
These lay offs may effect the rest of your life’s earnings if it causes you to take early social security. HOLD up BEFORE you draw early social security. Social Security that increases 8 % per year especially in the later years to age 72 at which point it will not increase. WAIT as long as you can before taking social security !!! Increasing that monthly check as much as you can before you take it ! Talk to a financial advisor to make these choices.
Don’t let the emotions of the situation cause other unwise choices like moving your 401/403 to accounts with more fees from a employer based accounts without fees. You will be tempted to make quick decisions just make sure it’s the best decision for you in long term.
Last tip: in today’s world give up perfection for speed. Sometimes being older we default to just wanting it done right instead of just completing it ok with more speed !
Unfortunately time ran out before know your legal rights could be covered but important info here. 😊😊😊
Yup. I just started experiencing this at work. After experiencing homophobia and racism in the workplace, I can honestly say it is pretty easy to identify workplace discrimination in any form. Workplace discrimination hurts, no matter how and why it's happening.
Hope everything turns out ok. Stay strong.
It hits women harder than men and it makes me sick.
I was laid off in January 2024, 5 years before early retirement at 62. Now no one will hire me, and had to sell my new car, am about to lose my home, and find a new home for my dog. Thanks for the loyalty, Nichols, Melburg, & Rossetto...
This soooo true. Being a nurse I need to know different software when charting. I see older nurse who dont want to learn and want to retire sooner than later. My mom made it very clear u can not retire w one type of job u need two different jobs. For example being a teacher and being RN. One full timr and one pert time. Dont depend or rely on your employer . they are out for them selfs.
Always update and or go back to school for updates.
TBH, the software is not hard to learn. The hospitals have been pressuring older nurses out so they can drop the wages and use the excuse of the software.
You know the old saying you can't teach old dogs new tricks
Attention older worker: if you want to stay employed become self-employed.
I never work for 20 years and I become a widow. I only clean houses and apartments but I cannot do it anymore because I got slower in my years. I can still do graphic design and draw on the computer with Adobe Creative Suite. The software is still fun to me.
SAME HERE I HAVE A SIDE GIG SELLING SCRAP METAL
LEAST I CAN USE IT ON MY INCOME TAXES
I am 52. My co-worker is a 34 yo single mother of two! Thanks to her unreliability I don't have to worry! Been there 4 years, no call ins. She's been there 2 years and i gave up counting her tardiness and call ins!!
I've covered for women with maternity leave as well as phantom pregnancies- I did not get any 'attaboys' for doing their work and not complaining. If the boss is a "White Knight"- the slackers will still be thought of favorably and those who cover for them are still marginalized.
This should be highly addresses on the Federal level.
It can't be because our President is incompetent because he's too old!! 😂. Ah, the irony
A bizarre explanation: In graduate business school back in the 80's, my consumer behavior professor said the answer was "prunes." Prunes? He said older people start to develop wrinkles after 50, which remind younger people of prunes. Very strange.
People have passion to work and employers tell you "No!" My father was an engineer. After the retirement, he worked as a dish-washer at the restaurant six days a week in America. As the matter of fact, managers from the different restaurants and banquet halls offered him the position even though he was 80+. He stopped working as he got Parkinson decease at age 85. I earned three degrees and graduated from two technical schools, but never found a job even though there a number of accounting posiitons. When hiring managers see me, they don't feel comfortable because of my accent and age. My point is that age is only #.
The really annoying thing is all the tittering and making light of this so that the harsh medicine goes down easier-for them. It doesn't when you have bills substantiating $50K in income, lose your job and then can only get a job paying $30K annually-if you're lucky.
The only thing I can say is cut your expenses to the very bone so if you are let go from that 50-plus job you can survive on $30,000. The most I made for my job after twenty years was thirty-eight thousand a year and that was a $5,300 yearly profit sharing the last four years after my mortgage and car payment was paid for I was able to save half my paycheck I made sure my house and car were paid off early and I carried no debt. I quit my job at 65 and that was two years ago best thing I ever did. The worst thing to do is retire with mortgage and debt and many older people do.
@@debbieframpton3857 Thank you for your reply. I have already cut my expenses to the bone but food prices have gone up 30 percent. The company I work for has been acquired and they just gave us all a sneaky pay cut by requiring us to pay for benefits that formerly were part of compensation, without an increase in wages to offset that cost. But, if you speak out about it, there goes your inadequate means of survival.
@@jenniferliggett6385 ,
Sorry to hear this about your job I hope somehow things will get better
It seems to me that just about every where I go lately I run into employees that can't do their job. And they're in ALL age groups. I mean simple things like getting a phone number right or more importantly giving the right vaccine during a wellness exam! Or instructions on how to administer a medication to your animal or what date/time your dental appointment is after they set it up for you. And the list goes on and on. I've noticed too for a long time that especially corporations, expect the work from 1 employee to equal 5. In other words, work around the clock 24/7 or get fired. It's as simple as that! My husband works those sort of hours and he is past 55 and runs circles around the younger ones in technology and sleepless nights working. I've literally have known my husband to get 3 hours sleep in a weeks time. The downfall is these sort of hours can catch up to anyone no matter the age of the individual and the corporations don't care. They care about NUMBERS! That's it!
In the commercial tech sector, employees over 50 without a PhD make up the vast majority of those laid off. At 53, i was thrown under the merger bus along with over 70 other employees over 45. I'm 63 now, with a great company in defense sector that values experience and desire to learn now technology and design techniques. After 3 years i was promoted to management. Love the company and culture.
People mention suing employers, but it does cost a lot of money to hire a lawyer.
Universal Basic Income
ahhhhhhhhh NOooooooooooo
acct4u What’s the alternative? Look where we’re headed
UBI when you reach 60
@@3John-Bishop 2023
I had an interview with a company that seemed interested in me. During the interview, cracks were made about my age. Needless to say I did not get the job. Nice to see professionalism st it's best!
I've stayed up with tech advances in my field (creative) but that is ironically overshadowed by my experience. My perceived value, in employer's eyes, is "expensive," "not directable," and "slow," based on my age. I've spoken with HR in many companies and those are the truths. The software that is used to cow-catch your resume will kick you to the curb before any human has the chance to.
Yeah...have to laugh...there was a VP job for Quality Systems. I was highly qualified for the job with great strength in this area. I took the job requirements and wrote my resume cover letter exactly to address each and every requirement they stated showing how I fit it to a T. Next day I received a rejection letter saying they are looking for someone more fitting to the job. WHAT???? Oh, wait...Im an older female in STEM. I forgot.
There was a bus accident in my town a little while ago, it was the 67 year old (I wish I was 67 again) drivers fault. My neighbors son who’s 24 said he thinks anybody over 5o needs to be retested for driving abilities…. I said “whaaatt?”
Yeah, recently honked at a guy who ran a stop sign right in front of me in a school zone area. He was no older than 24 years of age. Stupidity is not age dependent.
I had a coworker tell another one that the people without children should be the ones who come in to work during COVID and those with children be allowed to work from home- because "we are all in different phases of our lives". I was never married nor have I any children- not everyone follows the same templated life!
Money. They're afraid they will lose money. It is always and will always be the same
I had a colleague who worked 9-2 in a place where the hours were 8-5 because she claimed she needed to be home to take care of her daughter. I never understood why this was approved since it was well known -- her mother came to live with her to help her. She was not accessible even though she was supposed to be working from. Bonus: she was promoted to supervisor and got rid of colleagues who had the experience and not only came to work for the full hours but put in extra time, too. Really? Companies are going to pull this? Spare us the propaganda on productivity and having the most qualified skills. Too many places operate like high school. As an older person, don't waste my time and skills if the highlight of the day is gossiping about stupid stuff and taking four months to write a memo (another great one my colleague-promoted-to-supervisor 'achieved').
There are retirement jobs. Like security. I had a boss that was 75.
That shouldn't be the goak
Deadwood? Horrible...
Why do people get so pisses off when people say you can't teach an old dog new tricks?
What you state is do true, so real.
LinkedIn and other tech firms are fonts of age descrimination
Well they will get old soon too. So.. It will catch up to them sooner than later. I've never treated older co-workers badly. It insane how they get away with breaking the law.
In 1988 I have a young former student and friend who worked in Japan and he said he saw a building which is 60% vacant but are field with desktop non-stop customized computers because Japan does not import foreigners but rather have machines do the job because of lower birth rates which created a labor shortage. Now I was informed by someone that Japan won't hire foreigners, especially American millennials, they rather have machines and robotics do the job. BUT THEY HOLD ON TO THEIR OLDER WORKERS THAT THEY HAVE BEEN UPGRADING EDUCATIONALLY AND RETRAINING EVERY 2 TO 3 YEARS inorder to supervise and oversee the machines FOR THEY HAVE INVALUABLE WORK EXPERIENCES. American employers does not care for their workers because they do not upgrade their education and training every 2 to 3 years. No nation is perfect but JAPAN IS DIFFERENT and is light years ahead in manpower upgrading management and in educational upgrading and skills upgrading. Americans wastes their local manpower potential by not doing the same thing that the Japanese are doing.
Japan has a different view on aging versus the US. Japan holds older people in high regard and reverence, while the US basically chucks out the older people with the trash. I can definitely see Japan retraining their older workers regularly.
It is unfortunate that employers can skate around what's legal and still say they are equal opportunity. They can just let people go because of employment at will and in an interview can just reject you because your too old oh I mean not the right fit--then a 22 year old right out of school less qualified gets hired. It happens all the time
10 YEAR SUCKS
It won't affect Dan, obviously.
They want slim, young, good-looking and mostly white employees. Believe me, I am telling the truth. I've encountered it plenty of times when I was slim, young, good-looking but mostly black. LOL Now, being over 50, I am deemed Too Big, Too Black, Too Old, Too Beautiful, and Too Brilliant. However, it doesn't change the fact that I am a Space Lawyer whether I practice or not. I actually enjoy my private research on Exoplanets.
Sue them. Walk in the office with a tape recorder device next interview. Do it. What can they do about it? Whack us?
@@Filthy_Larry depending on the state in which you live, you have to tell whoever you're taping that the conversation is being recorded. Otherwise, it's inadmissible in a court of law. Ageism is becoming more & more prevalent thru out the country but very difficult to prove unfortunately
You are right. That's how it is.
I am white, but my skin color does not help 🤣🤣🤣
I keep looking at these comments and I kinda wish I didn’t. One of the women featured in this is a close family friend who even named me. I can speak and say that she did what she could to change and has consistently kept up with new technology and does the best she can to do what’s right. I can say that what happened isn’t fair. She’s far from conservative and absolutely not some MAGA nutcase. She’s kind and didn’t deserve what happened. There is blatant age discrimination within the system currently. A lot of folks are mistreated. And while I know a lot of the older generations hold some garbage beliefs, I can speak and defend my friend and say this is bs. I say this as a younger millennial. God, y’all suck.
So how does this topic now become political? Keep your politics at home. This discussion has nothing to do with MAGA. It has to do with age discrimination in the workplace. No one cares about your political crap
@@Whitewolf0516 I believe what they're trying to say is that older people are discriminated against because people assume they automatically have controversial and/or out dated political views which cause them to be passed for a job for a company that may be geared to younger generations.
I like working with the older demographic. What I do not like is picking up anyone’s slack however. Age has been used to tell me (a younger person) to consistently give an extra hand to older workers.
Older workers have a wealth of industry experience but tend to be resistant to changes. That can make it hard for companies who are also facing uncertainty due to technological advances.
Nah. It's an excuse. Wait for it -- let us know when you experience it and then you will understand. We've witnessed a tremendous amount of change. Thanks for making it easier to discriminate because likely, you will be out the door before you hit 40. What goes around -- comes around
I've seen younger people who don't really want to work and are no better at change. Some older people are great with technology. Resistance is individually driven.
Age discrimination in employment is rampant. Sure there are laws against it. But employers know that these laws are practically toothless, and they can easily get around them.
Give me an older worker any day of the year. I just can't understand why so many companies practice this sort of discrimination. And why does this report only focus on women victims? MEN get shafted too!
She means:
"I am white woman, hear me roar"
Dye your hair... if you have any.
Heres the thing. Older workers are extremely inefficient and resistant to technology. I found out very quickly that working hard to them is because it takes them longer to get things done. Technology really changed everything for people born in 1980s
That may be true for Boomers, but it’s definitely NOT true for Gen X. Gen X, especially those who were born in the 70s, invented a lot of the technology, and they are the quickest to adapt to any technology because not only did they invent it, but they were the first generation to utilize it when they were in grade school. It’s Gen X that’s taking the most advantage of AI to make their jobs more efficient and possibly making other jobs dated and irrelevant.
@@Jennifer_Lewis_Beach_Living nah, it starts with millennials. Gen X are inefficient as well.
lol gen x designed all the programming languages and operating systems we use today, 😂
@@mrparts again as someone who owns a successful business I only know what I know.
@@AN-jz3px this is what happens. In every generation, some people work in technical fields and some don’t. There are lots of gen Z that sure they can do a TikTok video or can do a pretty presentation using adobe AI tools, but are completely unable to work with complex formulas and algorithms , design a workflow to solve a problem , unable to code, and unable to understand systems. And there are lots of gen X who are gurus in code, programming, and technology because they have been exposed to it for decades and have seen it evolve. It all depends on how you look and find workers for your business.
Universal basic income..it needs to happen immediately!
You're seriously looking forward to UBI? I'll bet you're vaxxed and boosted, too. "You'll own nothing and you'll be happy."
You think so!.you are the fool child..keep in your little lane and let others think for you
Let's not use Nancy Pelosi as a person to emulate,...
Deadwood? HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Older workers need to embrace technology instead of resisting it.
Charles Mascari I code websites in HTML/CSS/Javascript. I'm almost 55...technology has nothing to do with ageism.
Anita Barneycastle they just want to pay you less
We have. And then some. Another suggestion?
Heh, older workers BUILT the technology. Do you know what you are talking about?? Maybe surfing your cell phone is 'technology.' Some of us know how to build our computers. Give me a break with these stereotypes
Poor comment.
Dye your hair, wear a wig, don't try too hard to be youthful.
If you cannot comprehend why after 30 yrs of doing the same thing over and over you aren't viable then THAT'S why you got fired. Your age has nothing to do with it. And supervisors can only repeat themselves so many times. If you can't keep up with technology maybe it's time for you to exit the workforce and strike out on your own.
Osta Climbp you’re wrong.
LOL 😂 .. what is the relation of Tech with Teachers
@@daipayanbhowal8914 Many classes use online courseware now. If academic careers are "publish or perish", that can't be ignored.
It’s these same generalizations that are causing the ageism problem. I can and do run circles around the younger folks. But the opportunity to hire they selected a 28 yr old that is VERY good at flirting. A male a bit older than me was passed over for a promotion to a young person. But of course these two young folks make less. I do think that when an older woman is in charge that they are more apt to hire someone older.
And of course, you won't have to worry about reaching age 40. Age discrimination keeps getting younger and younger.
i age shame and i’m proud of it