I'm DONE with Dragon Shield Sleeves
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I've bought a lot of Dragon Shield Matte and Dual Matte's this year, and things are definitely hit or miss in the QC department. I just started playing this summer, and the first pack of sleeves I ever bought were matte Jet's based on my friends recommendation. They shuffle great. The edges look great. Not quite as good, but very acceptable, were the matte Night Blue and matte Sky Blues. My biggest issue has been with the dual matte's. The edges have been pretty rough on basically every pack, some worse than others.
Dual Mattes: Glacier, Peach, Wraith, Orchid, Eucalyptus, Lagoon, and Glaciers.
The worst of the bunch are the Glaciers and Peach. Extremely difficult to shuffle because the edges are so rough from what I assume is poor cuts from the factory. Some of the peach had the bent corners like you showed. The rest also have rough edges, but not as bad, so I can actually shuffle them easy enough even though they don't feel nearly as nice as the Jet's.
I just bought a pack of Ultra Pro Eclipse sleeves to try. I will add Katana's to the list and try those next. Hopefully Dragon Shield can sort things out - I really like all the color options they have.
Atleast offer what you think is a better alternative if you are going to trash the things.
Man I just encase my cards in concrete. Always safest
For real?? I was just about to do that!!
😂😂😂😂
Like a time capsule
I found not owning any cards is by far the safest
You guys dont epoxy dip your cards…?
I typically use the Dragon Shield Blue Matte (the one with "Dennaestor" on the box), this way I can move cards between decks and not have to take the time to change the sleeve. I've noticed a change in the texture size on the back of the sleeve, it's just noticeable enough, if you're looking for it. Thanks for the recommendation of another sleeve brand, I'll be trying them out!
I do the same thing, very sad to find out the quality has dropped
I asked myself "How are Dragon Shields breaking in such a way, this is unheard of!"
*shows off a shuffle involving heavy bending of the card and sleeve*
Ahhh I see, we have a degenerate on our hands...
finally someone who's saying this! I bought some dragon shields earlier this year for commander and they shuffle horribly. so awkward and uncomfortable. I bought some katanas a couple of months later and the difference is insane
So I was using kitanas and I put in foil cards. And you know the foil bend has been happening with these new cards. So overtime my full deck becomes curled with kitana sleeves. With dragon shield it helps stopping the foil curl. And it’s easier to double sleeve with dragon shield vs kitana. But I agree kitana feels better.
Out of the 3 packs of dragonshield sleeves I bought last year, 2 were very fragile (corners split in regular shuffling) and 1 was outright defective (had a horizontal discolored line on each sleeve).
I don't know how, but my 4 years old DS sleeves are still holding strong, with zero sleeves needing to be replaced for the last 2 years.
I also have done extensive testing throughout multiple brands. Unfortunately katanas are still not """"PERFECT ENOUGH""""" measured for double sleeving cards. Dragon shield tolerances are so specced to double sleeve cards i basically consider them unacceptable for single sleeving. Katanas are using way tighter build and better materials which I think is essential for the 60 card format grinders that constantly swap cards. As long as you pick the right colors dragon shields are still the way to go for that specific color AND double sleeved cards. Many colors are sadly trash.
True. One thing I have noticed is that Dragon Shield sleeves are much more durable when double sleeved because they are not as tight. Maybe they are just engineered that way...
What are the reliable colors for you?
I actually can't stand katana, I find they grime up and stick very quickly
@@jetm7698 (All Matte) copper, silver, black, base green, purple,
@@MrHammerStudios Theyre still second best option on the market for double sleeving behind dragon shield
I am not surprised that over the past two years companies may have had to sacrifice some quality control, experienced supply chain issues, and as a result may have seen a drop in quality. Hopefully this is something that companies are able to remedy in the future with these issues all but resolved. Luckily, I stock up heavy on sleeves and I still have a few thousand that were bough pre-2020, new in box.
katana has always been the best, but there tend to be much pricier than other sleeves on the market
The dragonshield Matte are nice 👍🏽 the regular glossy ones are a pain to shuffle 😢
Huh, I didn't even know that Dragon Shield made sleeves with opaque backs... maybe not when I was last playing with cardboard, around Battle for Zendikar ? Really love(d) their fully transparent ones though, even if a bit prickly !
@@BlueTemplar15 are the transparent ones even legal?
@@KarlKatten Why would they be illegal when playing without any sleeves isn't ??
Nice to know that I'm not the only one having issues with DS sleeves. I bought a pack two weeks ago, and 20 of those sleeves have split at the bottoms corners.
Yeah i've had the same problem with three different colors. Ooze, Silver, and Snow. All of the problems in the video
I use katanas and the only thing I have a problem with is that the sleeves start to wrinkle after a decent amount of use.
I like to use dragon shield dual mattes, they have the silky smooth shuffle feel and I haven't had any quality issues with them, easy to double sleeve in too
I will definitely have to look into this. I don't use my sleeves very often, but I have not had this same kind of damage.
This is a huge problem for any level of competitive play.
Now that you mention it, I took a look at a commander deck I bought along with fresh dragon shield sleeves about 2 weeks before christmas. Didn't even play the deck yet, just shuffled it a couple of times to test opening hands... maybe 10-15 proper shuffles and yeah, 5 out of 100 sleeves already have bent corners. I have a set of sleeves from a couple years ago that is in better condition after a lot more gameplay. These new ones were the snow dual matte dragon shields.
edit: typo fix
Yeah I've had the same problem
2:35 tip, don't shuffle like that then 😂
I feel like he went his whole life without someone telling him otherwise 🤣
I’ve actually noticed this recently and its been really frustrating. Like, i just sleeved up the 40k decks and the secret lair commander deck and I’ve got bent corners on nearly all my sleeves. I guess im just going to have to move to Katana too.
Personally I have been using nothing but dragon shields for years, I've yet to run into any of these issues but maybe that's just because I only ever use matte black dragon shields. Buy some new boxes in the future and see if I run into these problems, and if I do I will definitely switch to your recommendation. Appreciate the video, if this is a common issue especially continuing on in the future then Dragon shield needs to be called out and either have their place as the best leave company replaced with someone else that deserves it or they need to fix their quality control leaves that they were before. Appreciate the video calling them out, always important to make sure that the top dog doesn't get too comfortable in that spot, they have to work to keep it.
its definitely a first world problem of using specialty colors over white or black
big agree - absolutely think if dragon shield is having quality control they deserve to be called out, i will say though i started really getting back into paper magic in like 2018~ and bought 4/5 different sets of dragonsheild, and over the next 3 years i bought like 2 more sleeves and while i will say the sleeves from 2018 are dirty and a little used they work, none have split or anything. and that's like the 3 different art sleeves i started with, the blue dragon and the red one and one other. i even use the gaial ones now in my main deck and they of course get dirty but never any quality problems with them, i guess i'm lucky
Thank you for sharing this! I've been using the Dual Matte Dragon Shield Sleeves and I found quality control problems with splitting, yet I never had an issue with the coloration (which was quite perfect), and the shuffle feel was sufficient.
You have me interested in trying out Katana Sleeves for my Modern and Legacy decks.
I made the jump to Katana and... 🤤 So nice.
After shuffling my Edgar Markov deck in katanas my hands have an orgasm
Glad it was helpful!
I'm done with dragon shields, too. I recently bought ten packs of black jet sleeves, and five packs had sleeves 1 mm longer than others, which is super annoying during shuffling
and you can get a game loss for marked cards during competitive events!!
There are so many alternatives to DS I would try if it weren’t for a poor selection of colors. I have always loved the color options available from DS.
Yeah me too! But it's always quality first for me!
Thanks for talking about this! Big issue no one is talking about on RUclips. And I'm sorry, but their flippant comment acknowledging the issue as a "small issue that has been corrected" is total BS. And to the folks saying "just tell them they will send you new ones!" My friends and i have all submitted cases, and not even had a response for about a month. And I'm not sure the new ones will be any better.
Exactly!! You are spot on
Ultimate Guard Katana + KMC Perfect Fits are the way to go! I have this setup on all of my decks and love it
Totally agree!
meh, katanas get incredibly disgusting very quickly, still prefer DS over here in Europe for quality
Ever since they started making Matte backs, they went downhill. They're original Metallic colors still hold up
I've noticed the quality dip in Dragon Sheild as well. I got a brand new pack of Dragon sheild, not only did not have any "extra" sleeves you usually get with Dragon sheild, but one of the sleeve was SMALLER than the rest, so I had had 99 sleeves with one smaller than the rest. Super annoying.
Im happy someone else have changed to my new favourites. Dragon shields just arnt it anymore.
Big facts
I've been using Black KMC Hyper Matte's for like 10 years. I use Dragon Shields for a few decks but almost every deck I own is in KMC Hyper Matte's as well as KMC Perfect Fits or Perfect Fit Hards.
My friend and I split 14 pink diamond mattes today while testing for 3 hours. Insane bad quality for the past few batches of pink diamond mattes.
Exactly the same here. I've used Purple Matte for years. 3 months ago now I purchased 3 packs to resleeve my decks. After one tournament all the corners were bent, some corners were split and the edges of every sleeve caught on the others, the shuffle was awful. I complained to the retailer, who replaced them. I hoped mine were just a bad batch. The replacements were just as bad. I was devastated. I have however now switched to Dragon Shield Dual Matte and find them better than than the Dragon Shield Matte ever were.
I love the feel of the katanas and use them for draft, but for some reason they lose the shuffle quality with my edh deck. Just too many cards I guess.
I bought a brand new sealed box of dragonshield and the first 5 sleeves the corners were bent so I had to throw them away. I am not buying them again
I bought some 3 months ago and 40 out of 100 sleeves were already completely open on the bottom. I thought I had bought the wrong product.
Lol you bought the right product😂
I agree. I have a commanderdeck which is sleeved for about 10 years in Dragon Shields. The sleeves were great but, now I have the same issues like you.
Katanas are the best. I have a commander deck that I have had some yellow katanas for 17 months now and have not had to replace them. I just give them a wipe with an alcohol wipe every now and then to keep them clean.
I noticed the difference in color and some boxes are DOA. sleeves broke too easily now...gonna have to try Katana...
One of the best sleeves I’ve owned is some random company on Amazon that sells 1000 sleeves for $27. Name starts with an H, but I can't remember the name
Same issue with the white sleeves and the crimson japanese sleeves. That's nonsense, these sleeves cost a lot to break on your third shuffle
Dragon shields I’ve been buying recently multiple sleeves have different widths. You can actually pull these sleeves out of the deck by feel. And some have like glue strings still attached. Quality has definitely gone down
I've also noticed issues with the DS perfect fit inner sleeves. The last two packs have some kind of mold release film on the inside making them look milky. You can rub it off with your finger, so I'm concerned that it will ruin any cards I put in there.
Damn that's bad... I'm glad I don't double sleeve...
I’ve noticed the same issues over the last 6 months. The bent corners I don’t care so much about because I don’t play competitive formats, but just when shuffling half the time brand new sleeves gave a catching problem and don’t shuffle together nicely. I’ve switched to Ultra Pro Eclipse Matte and haven’t had any issues since
Eclipse are also pretty good!
I've bought dragon shields for a few years. I used to struggle in tearing them but now they tear so easily. I have a bunch of the classic black gloss sleeves. I'm probably going to switch the next time I run out of good sleeves
As someone who works at an LGS, Dragon Shields are definitely getting noticeably worse. Worse are their new dual mattes. 5 sleeves literally ripped opened the first time I shuffled with them. I've also been pushing for folks to use Katanas, but folks should be wary; Ultimate Guard is pushing for stores to buy their new sleeves called Cortex. They're packaging are almost identical to Katanas. Cortex are cheaper in quality and have frosted fronts. Keep an eye out.
In my LGS in Poland we have similar problem. I and my buddy bought 3 packs of new DS. After 30 games we have to change something like 20 sleeves, becouse they were destroyed. Not damage, DESTROYED.
This is quite interesting. I've noticed the opposite with me in that katana sleeves don't feel near as good as dragon shield. Shuffling with katana sleeves feels so weird while dragon shield ones shuffle quite smoothly. To be fair in my case though my dragon shield sleeves are only on my Yugioh decks while the katana sleeves on only on my magic decks. That might make a difference for me.
Also my sleeves are over a year old so this is probably a more recent problem that I haven't been affected by. I'll get some dragon shield sleeves soon and test.
From what I have experienced certain colors of dragon shields shuffle well one way and if you flip them the other way they shuffle horribly and have that cracking noise. The off color from different boxes of same color has been a known issue. I still prefer dragon shields over any other sleeves because of the extra space at the top. I dislike that katanas have no extra space at the top.
i bought 2 packs of Dragon shield sleeves last summer and they got the same issue with the corners within a month of light play.
Only problem I have with DS is i have to count the sleeves to make sure there are 100. I have gotten fewer sleeves before, but usually there are 3 to 10 extra sleeves in there. Its annoying cause its a different count every time. I don’t wanna count 100 sleeves every time before i put my commander deck in.
Good point! I play 60-card constructed formats so it doesn't bother me much but that's something to keep in mind
I've couple packs of older Dragon Shield Matte sleeves that are in perfect condition after 5 years of shuffling and playing but their newer stock is definitely far inferior. Corners will bend after while and I've had couple of them to split. Katana's seem to be nicest ones in terms of quality nowadays
That's a good summary of my current sleeve situation
Looking at these comments, it looks like the real problem is quality control across all sleeve manufacturers
Dragon Shiled is not the only one apparently
As a commander player all my sleeves are dragon shield perfect fits and regular sleeves in gray. Don't have to swap or take cards out ever if all sleeves are the same 😉. I've had dragon shield last me 3x more than ultra pro and katanas are nice but sadly there's no way to buy them in bulk here.
Just had a batch of dual mattes and red and pinks split on me, should’ve watched this video first. Quality really differs, my regular matte blood reds work fine, man
Same here! Some batches are fine but others split easily...
I've had zero issues with any of mine. They're about the only one I buy now cus of not having any issues. I have some that I've shuffled hundreds of times and not a single one has broken.
I literally JUST got back into TCGs. Just started playing MtG less than 1.5 months ago. I bought packs of sleeves lately from a local card shop. Definitely notice the corner damage as I also do a cut style shuffle like you. However I DONT do the bridge style flexing you do and I still have card issues. Different colors also, and have a problem figuring out how this happens on the same pack of sleeves. I will definitely check out Ultimate Guard Katanas because I also like the idea of the cards fitting better anyways.
Also, using the same color sleeve for all my decks I get to simply swap cards and don't have to sleeve swap. Makes life easier.
I have the red katana sleeves but when I got into double sleeving my decks I found that they were super tight and a lot of the time the inner sleeve would keep sliding off the card when trying to get it in. I've been using gamegenic sleeves recently and the size is perfect for double sleeving and no excess sleeve at the top of the card. Not to mention they are pretty cheap in comparison
Used to be a huge dragon shield fan, this year I felt the same as you. Spent like $100 on sleeves trying every brand. I agree with you. Katana are now way better. Although I found a small company called Imperium Duelist. I use their Imperium Armor Sleeves almost exclusively now.
mind if I ask when the problematic katana sleeves you got were from? I got a pack of them when I first started getting back into magic a year and a halfish and the one pack of katanas I got (this same forest green actually) just felt like crap after a bit.
I have been playing with dragon shield for awhile, and consistently have a bottom corner splitting issue.
I agree with everything except your shuffle lol, that hurt to watch 🤣 no wonder they were getting damaged after 4 rounds honestly..
Lol
I'm glad someone else finally said it! I've been advocating this for months!!
When I use dragon shield I double sleeve so that they last, also feels better in my hand, but if you single sleeve it’s not great
last two packs of dragonshields I bought were missing a significant number of sleeves. one had only 94 and the second had 90.
I've had issues with Katanas getting dirty fairly quickly, but I still think I like them more than dragonshields post 2020ish. Boxes are very hit or miss. I have some that are fine, generally with the picture sleeves I don't have issues (but I only use them for commander decks). However some boxes are broken as I open them. I don't know when it happened, but I've lost a lot of faith in them. I currently don't love any sleeve, but katanas are probably the best
Katanas do get dirty fast haha..
I have noticed that dragon shield has fallen off in quality. Also I use the black sleeves from dragon shield and tend to buy a bunch at one time so I can change them out. However after looking at my decks that I change cards out in you can tell from the shine one the sleeve backs if they are from a different box. Also the sleeves in the box are coming warped and this warp is different box to box and you can tell if you have mixed up the boxes. It’s quite bad
True. Old batches have much superiror quality
My problem with katana is I've bought two packs of the same colour and they had a different cut size and they're too small for Digimon as the cards travel out the end but I agree their shuffle is unmatched when you first get them.
They changed sizes about 2 years ago. Was one of the boxes you purchased possibly over 2 years old?
I haven't played paper in a few years, But KMC Hyper Mats were my go to since I couldn't find the original UltraPro Pro Matte I used to use back in the early 2000's.
KMC is in a similar situation. Their quality has massively declined over the years.
@@MTGDeckmasters have you tried any KMCs from their latest production run? they're a lot closer to the old quality
@@lol0237 No, but if that is the case then I'll give them a shot!
The normal “matte” dragon shield ones are mint. All the other dragon shield types, glossy, double matte, art. All crap.
I have dragon shields from 10 years ago and they're still fine. A little scuffed but none are split and the corners are intact.
I bought 13 packs of dragonshields expecting the same quality from the sleeves i used for 8 years. They are garbage.. I'm so pissed.
That's the unfiltered truth lol
@@MTGDeckmasters are KMC hyper mattes still good?
@@jefftrvecvlt1819 No
I agree… I had the same problem: I bought the matte gold and the brushed with the dragon cub as artwork and the quality is ridicolously poor: the matte are hard to shuffle due to irregular corners and I’ve already ripped 10 or more, while the brushed one (that were the safest) are even worse…I had a pair of matte blue bought in 2020 and they are still durable and easy to shuffle as the first day….DragonShield lost so much in quality in these last 2 years and I thought it was me until some feedback…
Yeah DS used to be king but times have changes...
Only just recently (as in last week lol) became aware I have an ACTUAL "local game store", as in it's only a 5min drive away (as opposed to what I would've formerly called my "local" game store...which was actually 4ish towns away, and about a 20min drive haha), and this newly-found store keeps Katana's in stock. Hadn't ever came across any irl before, I don't think. So I'll probably end up giving them a try.
But honestly (and I know I'll get crucified by anyone that sees this comment lol), the "best" sleeves I've ever, EVER owned is a set of Ultra Pro's, from 2008 (the ones where the sleeve's back image is meant to look the same as an actual MTG card, except the "Magic" text is yellow, as opposed to the blue it is on the actual cards).
And keep in mind, these sleeves were from back when any Ultra Pro sleeves with "images" on the backside weren't actually printed onto the sleeve, but like a decal or something, that was pressed ONTO the actual sleeve itself, so there were a TON of issues with sleeves that would start peeling at the corners as the image seperated from the back of the sleeve hahaha.
And yes, out of the 80 sleeve pack, I've had about 5 or 6 of them become unusable due to that...but the sleeves are FIFTEEN YEARS OLD lol. Like I can't believe they've held up so long, being Ultra Pro, no less lol. Idk...I did get extremely lucky clearly, and I love them so I'm thankful for that small win. Lol
Maybe it's because the quality of Ultra-Pro was much better 15 years ago. I have similar art sleeves I bought in 2016 (Gideon, Ally of Zendikar) and they started peeling like crazy after a fee weeks. Note: That was before I shuffled like I do now
Man, my dragon shield sleeves last forever, maybe because I have Oder ones, but I don’t think I have ever had one split.
It's because they are the older ones. The new batch is way worse.
I am a casual player so I was a little confused, AT FIRST, but after listening to your comments and reading everyone else’s it’s quite important and extremely in depth…. I just wanted to match my deck colors to the sleeves and was realizing some of the sleeves were god awful… I now only buy the full color sleeves that are cheaper than the black inner DS sleeves I enjoy them a lot more, they shuffle well but I don’t have to worry about any rules just comfortability
Yea I think I've noticed a bit of this I bought a pack of purple and a couple of the sleeves wasn't made correctly so it couldn't fit the card luckily a couple extra were in there so I didn't need to buy more but still
Yup, Seems about right it. I used to use dragonshields for yeeeears because they used to last for years but all the newer ones just sorta rip easy or the corners get crimped. I've since moved to the ultra pro eclipes selves those things are nice
What's so odd to me is that I personally started off with ultra pros eclipse Matt black sleeves. But like a good while back when I think they were a newer line from ultra pro. I got suggested dragon shields, tried them, loved them, and used them ever since cuz ultra pros eclipse didn't have the shuffle feel I wanted back then. But dragon shields gone down in quality do much that they might be worse than that new product line version of the eclipse sleeves and eclipse sleeves mightve just gotten better better over time.
Wrong horse to bet on maybe.
Judging last year for a small sized TCG (as opposed to Standard Size) we had to fail so many Dragon Sheild sleeved decks on entry sleeve check due to product inconsistency, especially Dauls, that it was frankly ridiculous. On-site vendor ultimately pulled some of their DS Sleeve stock from sale due to how bad the issue ended up being.
The Dual Mattes are terrible. I get one tournament out of them before the shuffle feel turns to mud. It's a shame they got rid of their matte art sleeves since those last months of locals without deteriorating at all.
Switched to Katanas after having the corner snag issue on two packs of DS.
Those are definitely good sleeves though. I hate them for double sleeving and I exclusively double sleeves though we already know your position on that.
I love how the playmat is a Dr Dre reference 😂
Finally someone gets it...
Katana sont de loin les meilleurs sleeves que j'ai utilisé. DS j'ai toujours trouvé qu'ils étaient plus difficile lors du shuffle. J'ai les argent de DS pis je ne les utilise plus depuis longtemps
I've had two non foil decks curl cause the katana sleeves. Plus I've tried mixing the same color and they were different lengths. End of story buy the sleeves you prefer.
I stopped using dragon shields over 5 years ago when i started having issues with them falling apart. Should have realized something was amiss when walmart started carrying them.
What do you mean?? Walmart only sells top quality products!!
I’ve never had an issue with Katanas and personally will never go back to dragon shield. It’s honestly a preference thing for sleeves.
I've seen the color variations issue and got a new box before, same with damaged sleeves
Yeah ... I feel for you. Going back to Katanas too. I still have some dual sleeved decks with Katanas which are older then my dual sleeved Dragon Shield decks. They last forever unlike my wraith dual sleeves. It's sad because I love the dual sleeves but the quality is not there anymore.
I got back into magic recently to do a few EDH decks and I bought all Dragon Shield matte sleeves. I’ve actually been severely disappointed with them. The shuffle feel isn’t good anymore, they feel like they’re all catching every shuffle, I’ve had multiple sleeves split on me in the past week (and I’ve shuffled these particular sleeves maybe 30 times in total), I was considering swapping to Katana (my only issue is the lack of colors), and several videos have been confirming my thoughts. Going to track some down and make the swap and give them a shot!
I did get one pack of Classic DS sleeves to see if they feel better, going to swap that deck in question to those and give it a shot, but if they don’t feel AMAZING, I’m swapping to Katana immediately.
Im using katanas too.
they are awesome.
i used dragonshield brushed art sleeves before, but they werent durable at all. they scratched and damaged themselves, so i bought yellow katanas and omg, they were awesome.
they shuffle great, they feel kinda fluffy and well made and they are the best sleeves i ever used.
only can give props to ultimate guard for the katanas.
Agreed. Katanas are the only good UG sleeves I have ever used lol
@@MTGDeckmasters ya, they are pricy but they are worth it.
the cortex sleeves are super trash and the supreme ux no need to even think about it. 🤣
the supreme ux are like the worst sleeves i ever used.
i tried to unsleeve an card and the sleeve ripped apart (no joke).
katanas on the other side are near perfection
I run KMC hyper mattes with KMC perfect fits for modern and legacy. They have an insanely good feel and I've never had any corner chipping. I use DS for my edh decks.
I got 400 matte dragon shields recently and 2 out of my 3 decks feel fine shuffling, but the 3rd one (which is the main one I play) feels so sticky. It's almost as if I used then while eating pancakes covered in syrup or something, you can barely shuffle it
Maybe someone at the factory had a craving...
@@MTGDeckmasters I hope not lmao. I clean them thouroughly with 90% isopropyl and still sticky. I'm just gonna replace em tomorrow with these sleeves from a company called Quiver time. Hopefully they're good.
BCW Elite2 is my favorite "budget" option when Katanas are not available. I challenge any doubters to give those a try and I guarantee they will impress at that price point.
Thanks for the suggestion I'll try them out!!
I bought a bunch of Dragon Shield sleeves a few weeks ago, all matte, and I gotta say... They didn't live up to the internet-hype of the last few years. And I like Dragon Shield! I have super-fond memories, from years apart, of Dragon Shield gloss black sleeves! But these new matte ones... The corners kept catching! They just didn't shuffle well! They were plenty slippery, as out-of-the-box sleeves are, but they just weren't great!
You’re shuffling the cards incorrectly, that’s how sleeved get damaged, you have to glide them from the corners to prevent air pockets for dust and air to get in but more importantly so they don’t get caught inside other cards. Also you’re slightly bending the corners doing it that way.
and yet you can shuffle that way with other brands with zero issues
@@providencebreaker1558 it still opens the sleeve to allow air and dust in which is the biggest issue with protecting the cards.
My only complaint about katana is how much difficulty it is to open the boxes while keeping them intact definitely childproof lol
Really? They are fine for me
@@MTGDeckmasters I don't have fingernails so that might be part of it honestly
Last 3 boxes of dragonshield I got have had 98, 99, and 100 sleeves. Should be 102 ish like normal
All of the major sleeve manufacturers go through periods of this. I have boxes of Katanas from a couple years ago with some serious deformity defects. I have boxes of DragonShields with similar problems as demonstrated here. I also have sleeves by both which are flawless and durable. There is no silver bullet solution, manufacturing processes vary over time, you just have to navigate it as best you can.
I've had several issues with dragon shield having less then 100 sleeves on a few occasions and honestly Katana sleeves just feel better while shuffling.
True. On the other hand, I've heard plenty of people say they received over 100 sleeves in packs of Dragon Shield!
@@MTGDeckmasters most of the time I get a couple extra to be fair. in my opinion however a couple extra sleeves that I dont have a need for doesn't outweigh the problem of not having enough sleeves for my new deck randomly. Nothing against those who still like dragon shield but I'm moving on.
I have the same problem with dragon shield I brought this year, the corners opened with less than a mouth of use. I had older dragon shields with 4 years of use that were in better shaped than this one.
Lately My dragon shields have started splitting 1-3 BRAND NEW sleeves at each FNM. It's ridiculous
i will say that even a few years ago the quality is night and day
I bought a set of the lime sleeves a while back and noticed the same issues. Quality control is kinda iffy, but I think they're still great sleeves on average. I tried Katanas once and got really tired of needing to push my cards back down past the opening of the sleeves from just shuffling and very minimal play
Same issue here. I just knock my deck on the table before and after shuffling. It solves the issue.
Why not show us the katana sleeves
Ultimate guards will bend at the corners. I have never seen a dragon shield do that. I have seen some dragon shields have a wrong cut and are easily picked out if you look at the right angle. But i may be working with older stock