I just bought a 2021 Veloster N and let me tell u it’s perfect car for a single dad with. 4 year old son. When he’s with me it’s normal mode and tame and he has his own rear door. When I’m alone in N mode all day and the car is incredibly engaging to drive I’ve already taken it out to the tail of the dragon! I love my Veloster N
The Veloster is a cool little car. I tint a lot of them, but Wheel spin and the fact that it's front wheel drive take it off the serious contender list of affordable performance cars.
I'm a Toyota guy but man this channel has made me a fan of Hyundai. My next car will definitely be Hyundai. Hyundai deserves my money for building fun affordable cars over us
Very interesting race. For those who don't know, FWD's weakness is acceleration from a stop but tend to be faster at a roll due to a more efficient drive train. AWD is best for accelerating from a stop but tend to lose power at speeds due to the drive train and added weight. That was clearly proven in this video.
@@automotivetv9861 What other awd performance car do they offer at this price range? Adding awd will make the thing heavier. The car is suppose to be light and nimble and while being somewhat affordable.
@@2010ngojo Why is there no awd in the V6 Camry/2.0T Altima but its available as an option on the weaker engine variants? Why is the honda City available everywhere internationally accept in north America?
@@automotivetv9861 Because people want awd? But that's mostly for winter or slippery conditions. None of those cars are exactly driver oriented. Look at the Kona N. No awd while the weaker variants do have awd as an option.
Had a 2017 wrx. Great daily for me, im comfortable driving manual. AWD was great. Performance was great. Its duty ended when i was traveling around 20mph and was struck by a hyundai santa fe traveling in excess of 50mph(driver was suffering a medical emergency) in a head on collision. For the little car the wrx was, it did a surprisingly great job of allowing my girlfriend and I to walk away shaken but completely fine.
@@ZZPxFTW That's for sure, because they don't usually blow up within the warranty, turbo ej engines mostly blow up around 100k to 250k km depends on the way you drive and maintainance, I don't know you, but many people don't go to dealership for major mechanical issue, they find some trustable shop or rebuild engine at home, so you are not gonna see blown subaru at dealership all day.
@@mingshili9769 it was sarcasm dude. I was pointing out that if he worked for Hyundai, why would he call out his own brand. Most of the engine out repairs on our lifts are out of warranty, so a lot of people do actually do that through the dealership
@@kitvexed8229 neither of these cars are "made for the track" lmao. They're kind of sporty road cars. I'm not even sure what point you're making about the warranty or what you're referencing when you say "then"....
Especially if it has the 2.5t and wet dual clutch. If they give it a LSD it will hurt a lot of feelings. With just a jb4 that engine dynos at 320 to the wheel and a lot more torque
@@brolyvi1211 yes but they are rather talking about the fact that a dct stays in boost a lot better and is a lot faster that a manual no one said it is more of a drivers car or vise versa :) both transmission's are great
@@waxedmint1451 thats true. Manual transmission is for the feeling of more control and imo more fun. DCT is no doubt faster but I'd rather have the fun of driving manual while it lasts
Have a Veloster N and tried to race an STI a couple weeks ago... pretty much went how this did. Won't be the best off the line, but it is such a fun car to own and drive daily. Love it
@@mik55tv22 that's a shitty map, it lags out so bad between shifts. If anyone is on the fence about a jb4 this video is proof it is not a good choice lol
@@sugarfree1985 oooh watch out saying that. The VN boys will come out and talk mad shit. Hands down the most toxic car community I've ever had the displeasure of being a part of. When I said JB4 was garbage and not a proper way to tune it triggered all of them. They also got triggered when I pointed out actual mechanical problems I had with rough starts and getting an ELSD code every single time I drive in Eco mode. This car is fun, but it's too damn slow and without a proper way to tune it's really not worth getting. Wish I would have got an ATS-V or 6th gen Camaro.
@@PacoRobbins It’s not meant to be a straight line car, you do realize that, right? If you’re over here talking about ATS V and Camaro, I’m wondering why you even went with a VN in the first place.
@@Vitallord I had a BT/FBO/E85/Meth Speed3 and could keep up with those cars. It had been so long since I'd been stock I forgot how slow it was, so I bought an N. Honestly, the VN was for gas mileage. I knew I'd be driving quite a bit and when I keep it in Eco mode I'm getting 32-34 mpg so it's doing what I wanted it to do.
Former 19 wrx owner went 22 EN. Awd will always take advantage of stop and go traction. Im very satisfied with EN but also miss WRX. Two different cars two different kinds of fun. But i can tell you eLSD really cuts corner so tight it's a revolution for fwd. I think it cuts better than wrx.
Buy neither, wait for the finally 400HP STI 2.4L 2022 ; Rumors going around are suggesting the upcoming WRX STI packs a tuned version of the same 2.4-liter turbocharged boxer, which will make around 400 HP and 361 lb-ft of torque. the 2022 STI is estimated to cost around $40,000, making it potentially solid value for money!
The 2022 STi base will not have 400hp. If it has 400hp it will be a special edition $55-60k+ like the s209 or something like that. At which point you might as well get something else better for $60k
@@Kaz8693 because people have speculated about a 400hp STi since the early 2000s and it never came to be. Especially not under $55k-$60k. Subaru won't do it
SubZero they keep getting heavier and heavier. I bet they WILL in fact do it but it’ll be 4000 pounds, or close to it. So the power to weight ratio will be a bit better then previous models but not by much. They’ll sel you on the aspect that it’s got “400hp” But drives like a boat and barely beats the 2021model Lolol
I rode in veloster N during an autocross event, I wad highly impressed. Shocked at how quick and nimble it was. Very fun ride along (And I drove my s4 that day)
All fun until you need to start working on it 🤦🏿♂️. But it depends on where I am. If I'm in a snowy state WRX all the way. If I'm like in florida wellllll Veloster it is.
If straight line performance is all that matters then sure this is a good video, but as for cars, I’d look elsewhere. Otherwise these two cars are much more and both have great merits that the other might not share
@@shabanajannik2600 it's awd and unpreped fwd😂 what do u expect. Let me try tho ill give the sti the hit. Anyways payed 10k more to lose on the highway
@@8SpeedNate How old is the STI platform on? and this was a TUNED N, or roll racing would have been less of an GAP. Why don't we come back to this same comment section when STI is out with it's new GEN which is what should be compared to the N anyways. We will talk then ;)
WRX sti는 기어 변속이 초반 가속에 맞춰져 있고, 벨로스터 N은 초반보다는 중간 속도에서의 가속에 맞춰져 있는듯.. 때문에 45km/h의 속도상에서 가속을 비교 할때 벨로스터 N이 더 빠르게 치고 나가는듯.. 즉 트랙에서 달릴때 초반에는 뒤쳐져도 코너를 돌면서 가감속을 하면서 추월할 수 있겠지..
This actually kinda makes sense because the STI is 4K more than the veloster N and the JB4 costs around 600 bucks so it puts it a little closer to a dollar for dollar comparison. If they put a stuffed turbo in the veloster N it might actually be extremely close in terms of price, although you start to have to actually tune the car at that point so it might be a 1k difference.
@@eternalrogue832 I'd agree with you 5 years or more ago. But Hyundai has really stepped up. From 2019 to present their performance and styling have come a long way. That veloster DCT transmission is a beast, better reviewed than some more comparable expensive competitors. However Hyundai is marketed as a more economical car. But you get good stuff for the money. This is just my opinion, but I think it's a fair one.
@@octpumpkin3355 That doesn't mean there won't be a new lawsuit started. And if you are driving on the highway with a semi behind you and your transmission just decides that it would be good if your car stopped accelerating believe me you wouldn't support a car manufacturer either. Hyundai spent years telling people that the transmission was supposed to work that way. They are a trash company and make trash cars.
@@eternalrogue832 the N cars all are engineered and designed by Albert B - same guy who did the M cars for BMW. Every N car that has come out is completely different than the non N. You might have a point in long term but they are still giving 100k mile warranties which is more than any manufacturer.
AWD will usually win off the line but I'm impressed the Veloster walked the STI on the roll. This car is impressive for the price. This just may be my next toy.
Add the Cobb stage 1 plus intake/tune to Subie… I crossed shopped both of these cars first of year. Hyundai dealers where not dealing so I bought new STI. Very happy I did especially for resale value. ;).
Sure the AWD Factor can't be denied off the line. Like in my mk7 Golf R. But a stock 2021 N with DCT, proper launch control, and NGS overboost would be closer from a dig. And likely take the STI in a roll
The veloster N is a 276 hp 260 ft lb 2.0T. The Subaru STI is a 310 hp 290 ft lb 2.5T. The awd and slight power advantage goes to the subaru but it is heavier. Thats why with a stage 1 tune the veloster N makes 335 hp 320 ft lbs and you can clearly see the 250 pounds and the 25 hp let the veloster walk the sti. There are tunes out now for the Veloster N that give you around 345 hp 330 ft lbs with no bolt ons. I have seen 5.0 seconds with the manual stock with an upgraded set of tires. Now the newer cars also have the DCTs as an option, come with sport cup tires, and have NGS overboost that gives you 10 hp and 15 ft lbs of torque for 20 seconds. 286 hp and 298 ft lbs of torque when you press it. Otherwise you have 276 hp and 289 ft lbs. The sonata N with 290 hp with the 8 DCT and upgraded tires are pulling off 4.8 second 0-60s so there is no reason why the veloster wont be in the mid 4 second range with the automatic.
Was hoping it was the new DCT. Good runs though. Can't wait for the video of the DCT model. Also can't wait for the Elantra N DCT. I'm eyeing on that in the near future(all because of 4 doors).
@@edpenkalski8937 yup. The Veloster N will slowly fade away and discontinued. Elantra N will replace it. I think it was not smart to make the VTN. It wasn't already doing well as they wanted to. The Elantra N/i30 N was already in Europe and successfully doing well. They should of just brought that here. I myself didn't specifically get the VTN because it was a 3 door. If it was the Elantra N from the beginning I would of been one of the 1st person to purchase one. 100%. But ya I can see the VTN being discontinued and the Elantra N will replace it. It also doesn't help the Kona N will be out. The VTN will definitely not survive. Oof!!
I couldn't agree more .. there are a lot faster and practical 3 doors or hot hatches if you want to call them that.. the golf r can be tuned to 500 hp with a few supporting mods and it has twice the passenger space and cargo space of the volobster.. and then there's the civic type r ... And let's not forget the all new Yaris gr.. all except the Honda have 4 wheel drive to boot
Hyundai are wack ass cheap cars those engine don’t last 100k miles or even reach 200k miles they’ll break down so easily below 100k lmao good luck w that in your future loo
They actually operate on the same principal as a manual transmission which allowed you to select a gear regardless of rpm range and the gear ratio on an F1 is completely different from that of an automatic transmission but no e way to change apples to oranges
The Veloster N is nice but it would have been cool to see a stock Veloster N without the JB4 tune. The JB4 tune gives it a lot of extra power And if the STI beat it too much stock they should have raced the WRX instead of the STI. Good video though.
@@hotdogy12345 I own 2015 STi and I know that 2457cc but It rounds up to 2.5L. 2457cc - 2460cc - 2.5L I was referring to EJ257 which if you are not in japan, you get 2.5L port injected single scroll turbo charged boxer engine. In Japan you get 2.0L twin scroll turbo charged port injected engine. EJ207 This will be the last generation of EJ engine. (2015 - 2021) In general terms, 2.4L refers to FA24 used in Ascent SUV which it's twin scroll turbocharged direct injection. You usually round up the engine CC one decimal place.
Says the STI has a 2.4L engine.... is this the FA24 exposed before its official debut or a typo? Veloster is 300lbs lighter so it's no surprise it has an advantage in certain conditions with a tune against a heavier stock car. What was the point?
The sti comes out ahead on standing start as all wheel drive always shines there, but once the cars are rolling the reduced drive train losses of the two wheel drive Hyundai allow it to wind up quicker than the Sti. On top of that, everything being equal, an auto will always come out on top in a drag race.
Interesting how in the dig race once the both got going they were going at the same level and no one was catching up to each other but on the roll race the veloster walks the sti
Veloster N is approx. 13.5 sec. 1/4 mile car, as is the STI and both Seem to cross that line ar approx. 105mph, so on paper by the pro driver tests, they're the same.. it seems theoretically, they should be very close in a roll race too.. but here we see a difference in that. Was sti keeping a lower gear to the roll start speed ?.. Korean's are building Cars with German Engineers now, soooo Dam Cool Cars Now !!
Long time suby fan, always will be but gotta respect sub 14 quarter mile and sub 5 second 0-60 (the 2021 was tested at 13.4 seems lowest quarter) from a 2wd car from the factory lmao pretty wild where tech has brought us
@@8SpeedNate you are allowed to research before commenting lmao google does exist. Heck it even owns YT lmao I've owned multiple Subarus. Admitting that fucking Hyundai is as fast as my stage 2 2013 WRX hatch was NOT easy for me, so cut some slack over here lmfao
Yes, because on paper the 0 to 60 on a Veloster N supposed to be 5.5 compared to the sti that is 6.0. I just paid of my 2019 Veloster N it has only 17 thousand miles, don’t know if I’m going to keep it or get rid of for another car. But the N is very fun to drive specially how the road feels with the track mode.
I'm not too shocked to see an STi lose a roll race. Its primary advantage is its grip, apart from that the car isn't suited to driving in a straight line with its stock transmission gear ration
The STi driver's shifts were really good, but he should've used I mode (intelligent mode, lower than sport mode) for the first run to make it more fair.
So fun seeing that grin on your face beating the STi haha. Would’ve been easy to turn off JB4 and do a roll race then we can really see the difference it makes. Nice work 👍🏼
This is me whenever there's someone trying to be fast by me when I'm going to work or whatever and they all but disappear in my mirror. Then when all the twisties are done and I'm going down the highway with the cruise on they blow past me like they're doing something.
STI stock is sub 5 second 0-60 with good launches and will be consistant and 1/4 mile well.into the 13's. The gearing and drivetrain make the STI a great accelerating car. Made that tuned hyundai look.slow
It is evident from the sound that the N also has an exhaust. Now tune the STI, up the boost from the factory 14psi to 21psi, full exhaust and go again. That would then be even matched.
I wouldn't trade my N for that Subaru ever. Performance aside, I see those Subarus everywhere. I've owned my N for 2 years and have only seen 2 others on the road. I get compliments on mine almost every time I drive it. It is so much fun to drive!
@@carwashninja Right? Sure on a dig the STI is faster, but I bet you go through windy roads and the STI would struggle to stay up with the N. There was a BMW that had like 200hp on the VN but couldn't shake the VN off his ass on windy road lol. Plus STI is pushing 6k-8k over the DCT VN. It's just like the Ford mustang. EVERYONE has one.
The STI price difference is way more than the cost of a tune. Their second generation Ns are not on the market yet. Elentra & Kona N have advancements not currently on Veloster or I30. Hyundai made several changes to the package. Watch the Elentra N unveiling video. They cover the changes coming to N vehicles.
Man, he's just barely out of reach from a dig. Really interesting stuff. I'm curious how much the JB4 tune helped the N from launch. We know it really paid off in the roll.
Why do people even comapre stock STIs? The STI is a car which can do 800 wheel on stock gearbox, and is a car in which you can rape Ferraris and all the rest. The STI is built by Subaru to be perfected by the owner!
Equal power and drivers, FWD VS AWD, FWD will always win...It has less weight, as well as more power per driven wheel to work with, with less driveline loss. I saw it happen all the time with the Eclipses GS-T vs Eclipse GSX. In a roll-on, the FWD would always win. At the drag strip, they would lose but have serious trap speed.
I also cant wait until they releasr the rear mid engined car that has the 2.5T and awd. They are also going to put the 2.5T in other N cars with upgraded tune and calibration with different internals. They are working on prototypes since last year. They are looking at the 350 hp benchmark.
I have a 2021 hyundia veloster N DCT and I have changed the stock tires and wheels and installed the tork lower control arm brace. Wheel hop is gone and it is much better riding with 18 s vs 19s .
Sti's Cobb tune with launch control and flat foot shifting is something to behold. Whole new beast. Hyundai just cancelled the Veloster, it's too bad, the N really brought that car to the forfront.
After arriving home from work third shift and head to bed 🛏️, let's see this first 🥇!!! Good video and good morning 🌅 to all. Now I'm gonna take a 😴😴😴.
@@guhbe385 u made the mistake of choosing a 2021 N look up the 2019-2020 N as shown in the video. Msrp of base 27,785. Performance pack is 28,985 so still 10k
AWD launch. Those STIs aren't made for a high top end. They're rally cars. Grip and acceleration. They made unlimited rally cars once, and it was canceled when drivers started dying like it was a pandemic.
I have a Hyundai Sonata se 2016 with a handful of Mods pushing 280 at least because I be taking R/T v8 , older v8 2000’s mustang GT, 350 z etc thoses cars push easy 300+ hp my car also a FWD , stick shift/ automatic transmission.. ima start posting my car best exhaust hands down you guys we’ll see once’s I post it . 👌🏼
AWD of the Sti wins the dig, not sure why people are surprised. Power to weight ratio of the Veloster won the roll race, again not sure why people are surprised
I own a stock sti 2019 and here in australia we get the i30n no veloster n but same platform and motor and a friend has one. Stock for stock I smoke it from the dig and the roll also I raced bikes and have been driving for 30 years so my gear changes are on point which is crucial in a manual car. I’m quite sure this race has many variables as the drivers may not be shifting great or shifting at the right moment but I can bet my left testicle stock for stock the sti has it beat on both roll and dig. Tunes always improve topend and there is a lot more load on an awd vehicle when speeds get higher unless you have loose surface or less traction. Fwd cars just turn me off to be honest as I’ve owned a couple when younger and the feeling you get driving one is stressful especially when the road has cor ers and camber off camber etc. rear wheel drive or awd only
I'm sorry my guy but I have to say it - the shifting needs work. Slow to disengage, overall have your foot off the gas for what seems like a full second, RMPs are all over the place. You also completely missed the shift into 2nd on the first pull at 3:18 - You can hear rev limiter. Shouldn't have even shown that run.
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I just bought a 2021 Veloster N and let me tell u it’s perfect car for a single dad with. 4 year old son. When he’s with me it’s normal mode and tame and he has his own rear door. When I’m alone in N mode all day and the car is incredibly engaging to drive I’ve already taken it out to the tail of the dragon! I love my Veloster N
I hope you got the DCT!
The Veloster is a cool little car. I tint a lot of them, but Wheel spin and the fact that it's front wheel drive take it off the serious contender list of affordable performance cars.
@@mobility63 its def one of the best FWD sports cars with ELSD and the DCT is a dream like car.
Should have waited for the Elantra N. Hyundai is showcasing it on July 14th!
I'm a Toyota guy but man this channel has made me a fan of Hyundai. My next car will definitely be Hyundai. Hyundai deserves my money for building fun affordable cars over us
Very interesting race. For those who don't know, FWD's weakness is acceleration from a stop but tend to be faster at a roll due to a more efficient drive train. AWD is best for accelerating from a stop but tend to lose power at speeds due to the drive train and added weight. That was clearly proven in this video.
Do the right mods and you won’t beat an an awd car
@@Inkedspeed that was a basic and stupid ass statement all in one. I'm impressed.
The question is which is better from a stop, rwd or fwd?
Plus fwd pulls rather that pushes. Simple science
@@noahpike8274 he even managed to stutter in his own comment 🤣
They need to make an AWD Veloster N.
They won't because if they do it'll eat from the sales of the other cars in their line up... corporations are sleazy
@@automotivetv9861
What other awd performance car do they offer at this price range? Adding awd will make the thing heavier. The car is suppose to be light and nimble and while being somewhat affordable.
@@2010ngojo Why is there no awd in the V6 Camry/2.0T Altima but its available as an option on the weaker engine variants? Why is the honda City available everywhere internationally accept in north America?
@@automotivetv9861
Because people want awd? But that's mostly for winter or slippery conditions. None of those cars are exactly driver oriented.
Look at the Kona N. No awd while the weaker variants do have awd as an option.
Will make it heavier and more expensive
Had a 2017 wrx. Great daily for me, im comfortable driving manual. AWD was great. Performance was great. Its duty ended when i was traveling around 20mph and was struck by a hyundai santa fe traveling in excess of 50mph(driver was suffering a medical emergency) in a head on collision. For the little car the wrx was, it did a surprisingly great job of allowing my girlfriend and I to walk away shaken but completely fine.
I work at a Hyundai and the N so far has been reliable.
I work at Subaru and NEVER see any blown head gasket EJ's come in
@@ZZPxFTW That's for sure, because they don't usually blow up within the warranty, turbo ej engines mostly blow up around 100k to 250k km depends on the way you drive and maintainance, I don't know you, but many people don't go to dealership for major mechanical issue, they find some trustable shop or rebuild engine at home, so you are not gonna see blown subaru at dealership all day.
@@mingshili9769 it was sarcasm dude. I was pointing out that if he worked for Hyundai, why would he call out his own brand. Most of the engine out repairs on our lifts are out of warranty, so a lot of people do actually do that through the dealership
@@ZZPxFTW how come subaru doesnt have a 10yr/100k warrantee on a vehicle made for the track like Hyundai then sir?
@@kitvexed8229 neither of these cars are "made for the track" lmao. They're kind of sporty road cars. I'm not even sure what point you're making about the warranty or what you're referencing when you say "then"....
The Elantra N should be interesting.
Especially if it has the 2.5t and wet dual clutch. If they give it a LSD it will hurt a lot of feelings. With just a jb4 that engine dynos at 320 to the wheel and a lot more torque
🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️the elantra N is literally a veloster but with 4 doors instead of 3
@@MelloHubb that's the sonata
@@reyfuentes4572 Heard its going to have a bit more torque than the Veloster N
@@jonathancolbert6666 yea just like the veloster N in N grin shift mode...it's literally the same engine and power train
Very interesting. You seemed very focused since this one was manual. I wanna see Veloster N DCT version too. With that 20sec. boost mode on
DCT Veloster N would win
DCT Veloster N is much better than manual N
Automatic does not require skills, jst press the gas and let the machine do everythinf else
@@brolyvi1211 yes but they are rather talking about the fact that a dct stays in boost a lot better and is a lot faster that a manual no one said it is more of a drivers car or vise versa :) both transmission's are great
@@waxedmint1451 thats true. Manual transmission is for the feeling of more control and imo more fun. DCT is no doubt faster but I'd rather have the fun of driving manual while it lasts
The Vesloter typo all over the place was a nice touch, really stands out from the crowd.
Have a Veloster N and tried to race an STI a couple weeks ago... pretty much went how this did. Won't be the best off the line, but it is such a fun car to own and drive daily. Love it
Try a roll race. You my might beat the STI.
The Veloster sounds like is slipping the clutch
It sounds like it but its not its just the way the ECU is mapped
@@mik55tv22 that's a shitty map, it lags out so bad between shifts. If anyone is on the fence about a jb4 this video is proof it is not a good choice lol
@@sugarfree1985 oooh watch out saying that. The VN boys will come out and talk mad shit. Hands down the most toxic car community I've ever had the displeasure of being a part of. When I said JB4 was garbage and not a proper way to tune it triggered all of them. They also got triggered when I pointed out actual mechanical problems I had with rough starts and getting an ELSD code every single time I drive in Eco mode. This car is fun, but it's too damn slow and without a proper way to tune it's really not worth getting. Wish I would have got an ATS-V or 6th gen Camaro.
@@PacoRobbins It’s not meant to be a straight line car, you do realize that, right? If you’re over here talking about ATS V and Camaro, I’m wondering why you even went with a VN in the first place.
@@Vitallord I had a BT/FBO/E85/Meth Speed3 and could keep up with those cars. It had been so long since I'd been stock I forgot how slow it was, so I bought an N. Honestly, the VN was for gas mileage. I knew I'd be driving quite a bit and when I keep it in Eco mode I'm getting 32-34 mpg so it's doing what I wanted it to do.
I need to test drive the Elantra N when it comes out. Nice comparo!
Elantra N is just launch today in Korea.14.July
Can you try with new Veosyer N with wet D8 sometime?
Former 19 wrx owner went 22 EN. Awd will always take advantage of stop and go traction. Im very satisfied with EN but also miss WRX. Two different cars two different kinds of fun. But i can tell you eLSD really cuts corner so tight it's a revolution for fwd. I think it cuts better than wrx.
bro i take sharp ass turns at around 60-70 no problem in my veloster r spec. couldnt imagine an n.
Buy neither, wait for the finally 400HP STI 2.4L 2022 ; Rumors going around are suggesting the upcoming WRX STI packs a tuned version of the same 2.4-liter turbocharged boxer, which will make around 400 HP and 361 lb-ft of torque. the 2022 STI is estimated to cost around $40,000, making it potentially solid value for money!
I bet you it weighs close to 4000 pounds tho
The 2022 STi base will not have 400hp. If it has 400hp it will be a special edition $55-60k+ like the s209 or something like that. At which point you might as well get something else better for $60k
@@qpSubZeroqp why is it hard to believe?
@@Kaz8693 because people have speculated about a 400hp STi since the early 2000s and it never came to be. Especially not under $55k-$60k. Subaru won't do it
SubZero they keep getting heavier and heavier.
I bet they WILL in fact do it but it’ll be 4000 pounds, or close to it. So the power to weight ratio will be a bit better then previous models but not by much. They’ll sel you on the aspect that it’s got “400hp”
But drives like a boat and barely beats the 2021model
Lolol
I rode in veloster N during an autocross event, I wad highly impressed. Shocked at how quick and nimble it was. Very fun ride along (And I drove my s4 that day)
S4 is not a track or autocross by any means
Considering the regular WRX cost more than the VN, this is a no brainer. I'm not paying over $40k for an STi when I can get a VN for $30k
When you gonna start racing the DCT Veloster N? That thing is faster than the manual.
Thatd be great
I can’t find one :(((
@@SamCarLegion makes sense. When I bought mine a couple months ago I could only find 5 in the whole state of Florida lol. It's awesome though.
Good point bud👊🏽👊🏽
@@slimv3.162 where at?
Would love to see stock vs stock between these 2. I think sti would definitely take the N on rolls in stock form.
The Veloster is lying about it's power to ,
@@VaunShiz I agree with just a tune they're making loads more torque
Ahren Scholz Wym they lie about their power?
@@VaunShiz how is it lying about it’s power?
@@VaunShiz factory dyno runs line up with factory power figures so no, they aren't.
AWD for the win
All the time
All the traction
All the fun
Subaru 👊
All fun until you need to start working on it 🤦🏿♂️. But it depends on where I am. If I'm in a snowy state WRX all the way. If I'm like in florida wellllll Veloster it is.
Too Subaru’s been boring lately
I've been thinking of trading in my supercharged BRZ for an STI. Thanks for helping me decide.
@david so what did you decide?
Supercharged brz sounds awesome. I'd take that over the common place wrx sti anyway. Did you end up sellin
Dude this is the video I was looking for I want both of these
Neither, 2022 STI finally 400HP
@@richardpruitt5193 looks like ass though
If straight line performance is all that matters then sure this is a good video, but as for cars, I’d look elsewhere. Otherwise these two cars are much more and both have great merits that the other might not share
dayum someone got gapped on the roll. I thought the N would catch up off a dig but man did it get its justice on that roll. Great stuff
😂😂😂
Damn someone got gapped on every dig drag...man talking like the sti didn't win anything, oh this is a KDM channel I forgot
@@shabanajannik2600 We all know STIs slow af unless it's from dig lol.
@@shabanajannik2600 it's awd and unpreped fwd😂 what do u expect. Let me try tho ill give the sti the hit. Anyways payed 10k more to lose on the highway
@@8SpeedNate How old is the STI platform on? and this was a TUNED N, or roll racing would have been less of an GAP. Why don't we come back to this same comment section when STI is out with it's new GEN which is what should be compared to the N anyways. We will talk then ;)
Good match up, I feel that the only difference is that awd on take off, awesome racing
WRX sti는 기어 변속이 초반 가속에 맞춰져 있고, 벨로스터 N은 초반보다는 중간 속도에서의 가속에 맞춰져 있는듯.. 때문에 45km/h의 속도상에서 가속을 비교 할때 벨로스터 N이 더 빠르게 치고 나가는듯.. 즉 트랙에서 달릴때 초반에는 뒤쳐져도 코너를 돌면서 가감속을 하면서 추월할 수 있겠지..
스탠딩 스타드에서는 전륜 구동 vs 4륜 구동의 트랙션 차이도 영향이 있을 것 같습니다..ㅠㅠ.. 벨N이 저 정도면 그래도 상당히 선방했다고 보이네요.
글쎄요. STI는 Boxer 타입 플랫 방식 설계라 엔진출력의 변속기 효율이 현기차랑 비교불가입니다. STI는 맥스토크 도달시간, 수치자체도 월등하고. 박서는 코너에도 강합니다. 노튜닝 순정 2대 같은 스펙 타이어, 휠로 트랙가도 STI가 이길거라 생각합니다. 편의성빼고 파워 트레인 설계만 봐도 벨엔이 여러모로 안되죠.
비슷한 힘이라 치더라도 각차의 무게중심이 어디있는지에 핸들링 안정성은 매우 차이가 납니다.
@@pubscherr 월등하지 않고요 그 반대네요. 엔진도 벨엔보다 더 커요. 제원도 딸리고 움직임도 나은게없는데 월등이란 말을 하다니 ㅋ
Stock vs stock would’ve made more sense
This actually kinda makes sense because the STI is 4K more than the veloster N and the JB4 costs around 600 bucks so it puts it a little closer to a dollar for dollar comparison. If they put a stuffed turbo in the veloster N it might actually be extremely close in terms of price, although you start to have to actually tune the car at that point so it might be a 1k difference.
Stock the wrx takes it easy, boring comparo
@@hunger993 WRX gets walked by GTIs and Golf Rs easily too lol
@@coflyer2949 wrx vs n n wins. Sti vs n, sti wins
The AWD on the STI makes a huge difference. Keep up the excellent work Sam.
@@eternalrogue832 the race from a roll would probably be a tie if the veloster was stock tune.
@@eternalrogue832 I'd agree with you 5 years or more ago. But Hyundai has really stepped up. From 2019 to present their performance and styling have come a long way. That veloster DCT transmission is a beast, better reviewed than some more comparable expensive competitors. However Hyundai is marketed as a more economical car. But you get good stuff for the money. This is just my opinion, but I think it's a fair one.
@@eternalrogue832 the 2021 dct I'm VN not included in that settlement.
@@octpumpkin3355 That doesn't mean there won't be a new lawsuit started. And if you are driving on the highway with a semi behind you and your transmission just decides that it would be good if your car stopped accelerating believe me you wouldn't support a car manufacturer either. Hyundai spent years telling people that the transmission was supposed to work that way. They are a trash company and make trash cars.
@@eternalrogue832 the N cars all are engineered and designed by Albert B - same guy who did the M cars for BMW. Every N car that has come out is completely different than the non N. You might have a point in long term but they are still giving 100k mile warranties which is more than any manufacturer.
STI starts are 🔥. Too much to come back from!!
Truer words were never spoken!
AWD will usually win off the line but I'm impressed the Veloster walked the STI on the roll. This car is impressive for the price. This just may be my next toy.
Add the Cobb stage 1 plus intake/tune to Subie…
I crossed shopped both of these cars first of year. Hyundai dealers where not dealing so I bought new STI. Very happy I did especially for resale value. ;).
Props to the Hyundai! For it being FWD, still kept up with the STI pretty well on the dig.
Both are great choices but if I were to choose I would probably get the sti
Gotcha. Thought it was apples to apples but the N is tuned. Makes a big difference for turbo cars. Awesome vid!!! Thank you.
Interesting match up! Hey Sam, how about DCT Veloster N vs DCT Sonata N line?
Can’t find a dct in Canada :(
@@SamCarLegion well, i have a stock 2022 dct in florida if you come out here 😅
5:42 Sam was shifting the crap out of this car! Great races man!
Lol
Your channel is beautiful. Greetings to you from the Middle East
Sure the AWD Factor can't be denied off the line. Like in my mk7 Golf R. But a stock 2021 N with DCT, proper launch control, and NGS overboost would be closer from a dig. And likely take the STI in a roll
That STi has a near 20yo engine in it. I’d be surprised if the Veloster didn’t win a roll race.
The manual transmission is difficult to use while racing
Only if youre a noob.
The veloster N is a 276 hp 260 ft lb 2.0T.
The Subaru STI is a 310 hp 290 ft lb 2.5T.
The awd and slight power advantage goes to the subaru but it is heavier. Thats why with a stage 1 tune the veloster N makes 335 hp 320 ft lbs and you can clearly see the 250 pounds and the 25 hp let the veloster walk the sti. There are tunes out now for the Veloster N that give you around 345 hp 330 ft lbs with no bolt ons. I have seen 5.0 seconds with the manual stock with an upgraded set of tires. Now the newer cars also have the DCTs as an option, come with sport cup tires, and have NGS overboost that gives you 10 hp and 15 ft lbs of torque for 20 seconds. 286 hp and 298 ft lbs of torque when you press it. Otherwise you have 276 hp and 289 ft lbs. The sonata N with 290 hp with the 8 DCT and upgraded tires are pulling off 4.8 second 0-60s so there is no reason why the veloster wont be in the mid 4 second range with the automatic.
Was hoping it was the new DCT. Good runs though. Can't wait for the video of the DCT model. Also can't wait for the Elantra N DCT. I'm eyeing on that in the near future(all because of 4 doors).
Why not just buy a real sports sedan ? Lol
Which makes my point for me about the volobster... A 4 door will out sell it again with the same tuning package easy...
@@edpenkalski8937 yup. The Veloster N will slowly fade away and discontinued. Elantra N will replace it. I think it was not smart to make the VTN. It wasn't already doing well as they wanted to. The Elantra N/i30 N was already in Europe and successfully doing well. They should of just brought that here. I myself didn't specifically get the VTN because it was a 3 door. If it was the Elantra N from the beginning I would of been one of the 1st person to purchase one. 100%. But ya I can see the VTN being discontinued and the Elantra N will replace it. It also doesn't help the Kona N will be out. The VTN will definitely not survive. Oof!!
I couldn't agree more .. there are a lot faster and practical 3 doors or hot hatches if you want to call them that.. the golf r can be tuned to 500 hp with a few supporting mods and it has twice the passenger space and cargo space of the volobster.. and then there's the civic type r ... And let's not forget the all new Yaris gr.. all except the Honda have 4 wheel drive to boot
Hyundai are wack ass cheap cars those engine don’t last 100k miles or even reach 200k miles they’ll break down so easily below 100k lmao good luck w that in your future loo
I see subarus everywhere, only seen two of the Ns around me. Nice video, loved seeing the n walk away on the roll.
Roll racing is for guys that can't drive a stick 😉
@@edpenkalski8937 Do F1 race cars use a stick?
They actually operate on the same principal as a manual transmission which allowed you to select a gear regardless of rpm range and the gear ratio on an F1 is completely different from that of an automatic transmission but no e way to change apples to oranges
@@edpenkalski8937 F1 drivers use paddle shifters with no clutch don’t they?
Its tuned.
Hope you blow up man your vids are great 👍🏻
The Veloster N is nice but it would have been cool to see a stock Veloster N without the JB4 tune. The JB4 tune gives it a lot of extra power And if the STI beat it too much stock they should have raced the WRX instead of the STI. Good video though.
0:32 It's 2.5L single scroll turbo charged port injected Boxer engine.
Not 2.4L
There might be 2.4L in the future.
Hate to break it to you but it's not either of the two... EJ25 is 2457cc
2450cc and up is classified as a 2.5L.. EJ25 is definitely not a 2.4L
@@hotdogy12345 I own 2015 STi and I know that 2457cc but It rounds up to 2.5L.
2457cc - 2460cc - 2.5L
I was referring to EJ257 which if you are not in japan, you get 2.5L port injected single scroll turbo charged boxer engine.
In Japan you get 2.0L twin scroll turbo charged port injected engine. EJ207
This will be the last generation of EJ engine. (2015 - 2021)
In general terms, 2.4L refers to FA24 used in Ascent SUV which it's twin scroll turbocharged direct injection.
You usually round up the engine CC one decimal place.
Says the STI has a 2.4L engine.... is this the FA24 exposed before its official debut or a typo? Veloster is 300lbs lighter so it's no surprise it has an advantage in certain conditions with a tune against a heavier stock car. What was the point?
I think its a typo it's the EJ257
Great video. I really like the different views. If you can please do the same video but with the new Veloster N DCT.
Good ol EJ, 30 year old design and still up there
And still the best sounding and most aggressive sounding 4 cylinder
The sti comes out ahead on standing start as all wheel drive always shines there, but once the cars are rolling the reduced drive train losses of the two wheel drive Hyundai allow it to wind up quicker than the Sti. On top of that, everything being equal, an auto will always come out on top in a drag race.
Stock for stock, N falls flat
Cool, please try this with Elantra N next.
Interesting how in the dig race once the both got going they were going at the same level and no one was catching up to each other but on the roll race the veloster walks the sti
Nah vloter was seen gaining on the wrx at higher speeds.
Veloster N is approx. 13.5 sec. 1/4 mile car, as is the STI and both Seem to cross that line ar approx. 105mph, so on paper by the pro driver tests, they're the same.. it seems theoretically, they should be very close in a roll race too.. but here we see a difference in that. Was sti keeping a lower gear to the roll start speed ?.. Korean's are building Cars with German Engineers now, soooo Dam Cool Cars Now !!
Long time suby fan, always will be but gotta respect sub 14 quarter mile and sub 5 second 0-60 (the 2021 was tested at 13.4 seems lowest quarter) from a 2wd car from the factory lmao pretty wild where tech has brought us
The N is not a mid 13s car
@@8SpeedNate According to car and driver and motor trend,, they pulls 13.4 and 13.7 in the N Veloster..
and they also manages 4.8 & 5.1 0-60 on their best runs... so.. comparing pro to pro test results... real life everyday drivers ?
@@8SpeedNate you are allowed to research before commenting lmao google does exist. Heck it even owns YT lmao I've owned multiple Subarus. Admitting that fucking Hyundai is as fast as my stage 2 2013 WRX hatch was NOT easy for me, so cut some slack over here lmfao
When u look at the numbers the veloster should win but U just can't put down the power on a fwd compared to an awd from a stand still.
Yes, because on paper the 0 to 60 on a Veloster N supposed to be 5.5 compared to the sti that is 6.0. I just paid of my 2019 Veloster N it has only 17 thousand miles, don’t know if I’m going to keep it or get rid of for another car. But the N is very fun to drive specially how the road feels with the track mode.
I'm not too shocked to see an STi lose a roll race. Its primary advantage is its grip, apart from that the car isn't suited to driving in a straight line with its stock transmission gear ration
Yes stock vs stock sti will win. I raced a veloster n the other day with my sti and took it to gapplebees
i've never lost to an STI in my stock N on a roll.. EVER
you must've caught em in ECO mode bruh
The STi driver's shifts were really good, but he should've used I mode (intelligent mode, lower than sport mode) for the first run to make it more fair.
With just a downpipe and racechip...im neck and neck with bolt on camaro ss's. These cars are insane...
So fun seeing that grin on your face beating the STi haha. Would’ve been easy to turn off JB4 and do a roll race then we can really see the difference it makes. Nice work 👍🏼
This is me whenever there's someone trying to be fast by me when I'm going to work or whatever and they all but disappear in my mirror. Then when all the twisties are done and I'm going down the highway with the cruise on they blow past me like they're doing something.
STI stock is sub 5 second 0-60 with good launches and will be consistant and 1/4 mile well.into the 13's. The gearing and drivetrain make the STI a great accelerating car. Made that tuned hyundai look.slow
It is evident from the sound that the N also has an exhaust. Now tune the STI, up the boost from the factory 14psi to 21psi, full exhaust and go again. That would then be even matched.
no exhaust the car comes like that brand new varex valves in the muffler
Another great video. Thank you!!!
The Veloster shines on track not a drag car ,but very quick ,I take the N ,maybe because i own one .
I wouldn't trade my N for that Subaru ever. Performance aside, I see those Subarus everywhere. I've owned my N for 2 years and have only seen 2 others on the road. I get compliments on mine almost every time I drive it. It is so much fun to drive!
@@carwashninja Right? Sure on a dig the STI is faster, but I bet you go through windy roads and the STI would struggle to stay up with the N. There was a BMW that had like 200hp on the VN but couldn't shake the VN off his ass on windy road lol.
Plus STI is pushing 6k-8k over the DCT VN.
It's just like the Ford mustang. EVERYONE has one.
I don't know what your doing on those upshifts but it sounds like crunching and grinding and a bunch of clutch slippage as well.
I dont get why people try to drag race cars that are BUILT to handle
I have an older Veloster and the third gear on them really pulls
The STI price difference is way more than the cost of a tune.
Their second generation Ns are not on the market yet. Elentra & Kona N have advancements not currently on Veloster or I30. Hyundai made several changes to the package. Watch the Elentra N unveiling video. They cover the changes coming to N vehicles.
Man, he's just barely out of reach from a dig. Really interesting stuff. I'm curious how much the JB4 tune helped the N from launch. We know it really paid off in the roll.
Would do a lot more with catless downpipe.
@@pincheadam that or the DCT version would probably take it, even from a dig.
even a stock veloster N would beat a STi from a roll.....STi makes like 230-240 whp and Veloster makes like 250-260 WHP and weighs way less
Its the front wheel drive. Note the enhine bounce from first to second and the wheel slippage. The N has more usable HP to the wheel
Stock VN don’t make no where near 250-260 whp stock. They make anywhere from 225-237
Honestly I would take both of them. Would seem nice seeing them both in the garage.
Why do people even comapre stock STIs? The STI is a car which can do 800 wheel on stock gearbox, and is a car in which you can rape Ferraris and all the rest. The STI is built by Subaru to be perfected by the owner!
Equal power and drivers, FWD VS AWD, FWD will always win...It has less weight, as well as more power per driven wheel to work with, with less driveline loss. I saw it happen all the time with the Eclipses GS-T vs Eclipse GSX. In a roll-on, the FWD would always win. At the drag strip, they would lose but have serious trap speed.
I also cant wait until they releasr the rear mid engined car that has the 2.5T and awd. They are also going to put the 2.5T in other N cars with upgraded tune and calibration with different internals. They are working on prototypes since last year. They are looking at the 350 hp benchmark.
Please do a Veloster N vs 2021 Mazda 3 Turbo video
It's coming!
@@SamCarLegion Please make sure its the Veloster N DCT as that would be a great comparison to the Slow 6 speed automatic in the Mazda 3 Turbo!
@@yuolo9979 yes we have one!
Please dont change the beginning theme its epic
Glad u like it
I have a 2021 hyundia veloster N DCT and I have changed the stock tires and wheels and installed the tork lower control arm brace. Wheel hop is gone and it is much better riding with 18 s vs 19s .
Sti's Cobb tune with launch control and flat foot shifting is something to behold. Whole new beast. Hyundai just cancelled the Veloster, it's too bad, the N really brought that car to the forfront.
Hyundai cancelled all the velosters except for the N. 😎 The N is the only model they are keeping.
What tune did the Veloster have?
Jb4
3 doors + hatch is the best configuration for anyone at any age.
I like the N but sedan is sexier then hatch most times
unfortunately not many people like the 3 door gimmick but I love it.
@@lsjionredlinesupercharged2049 Elantra N
@@8SpeedNate I absolutely hate it. 4 doors and it would be a buy for me. 3doors and it's a deal breaker.
@@dnegel9546 really?I personally don't car to me I use 1 door
I'm close to buying a Veloster N. Really hoping it's reliable though.
I got one last year and have over 20k miles on it with no issues.
I’ve went from a 17 wrx to a 20 wrx to a 20 Camry TRD to a 21 Veloster N dct. Hyundai is killing it rn.
Im looking to buy either a Veloster n MT or a WRX soon, what do you recommend for someone that just wants something fun
Weight played a major difference in the roll races
After arriving home from work third shift and head to bed 🛏️, let's see this first 🥇!!! Good video and good morning 🌅 to all. Now I'm gonna take a 😴😴😴.
Great video for Elantra. These turds never want to play with STI. Been driving a 2016 STI for 10 years now. FACT CHECK!!!! Still wired car...
Wow there’s a lot going on here
the Veloster's front bumper is about the scrape the pavement every time he shifts
This tuned veloster n vs civic type r would be good races!
출발시 4륜과 2륜의 차이로 벨로스타가 뒤지나, 주행중 베틀은 상대가 안되는구만...
와 한국 사람 이다
ㅋㅋ 많음
There is no pop corn sounds coming form the exhaust what did the owner do to that N
Aside from the JB4 tune, any other aftermarket upgrades to the N?
You know the dct veloster N is way faster then the manual veloster N 😂
When I get my STI I know it will be a golden horse. Since im not modding it and want it to stay bone stock. I love that car just the way it is.
Is that the STI you had against the Accord?
why not throw a Acessport in the STI if you got a JB4 in the N
The sti already has a 10k plus msrp
@@8SpeedNate base models are
$33,245 N
$38,170 STI
Msrp of them if you build and price on manuf sites.
Though decent point there not the same price
@@guhbe385 u made the mistake of choosing a 2021 N look up the 2019-2020 N as shown in the video. Msrp of base 27,785. Performance pack is 28,985 so still 10k
Sam can you please 🙏 do a Base Wrx vs base Sti?
AWD launch. Those STIs aren't made for a high top end. They're rally cars. Grip and acceleration. They made unlimited rally cars once, and it was canceled when drivers started dying like it was a pandemic.
WRX make more sense vs the veloster...the STI is on other lvl !
Can’t wait to see the new STI , they say it’s going to have 400hp!! But the price of the new sti is going to be a lot more than a Veloster N.
u get what u pay for, there's simply no comparison between a japanese legend and some crappy korean vehicle
@@aquapisces24 Weeaboo alert! Lol. Did you know Hyundai won WRC championship? Where was Subaru?
@@aquapisces24 Are you staying in the 20th century? It's the 21st century now. Get your shit together!
@@aquapisces24 as soon as the new sti comes out I’ll put one on order. Trade in my 2015 WRX for the beast
@@jeremybrown3748 wise decision
I have a Hyundai Sonata se 2016 with a handful of Mods pushing 280 at least because I be taking R/T v8 , older v8 2000’s mustang GT, 350 z etc thoses cars push easy 300+ hp my car also a FWD , stick shift/ automatic transmission.. ima start posting my car best exhaust hands down you guys we’ll see once’s I post it . 👌🏼
What was the point of this? Why didn't he launch it in n mode with the elsd locked? He would have had way less wheel spin.
AWD of the Sti wins the dig, not sure why people are surprised. Power to weight ratio of the Veloster won the roll race, again not sure why people are surprised
I own a stock sti 2019 and here in australia we get the i30n no veloster n but same platform and motor and a friend has one. Stock for stock I smoke it from the dig and the roll also I raced bikes and have been driving for 30 years so my gear changes are on point which is crucial in a manual car. I’m quite sure this race has many variables as the drivers may not be shifting great or shifting at the right moment but I can bet my left testicle stock for stock the sti has it beat on both roll and dig.
Tunes always improve topend and there is a lot more load on an awd vehicle when speeds get higher unless you have loose surface or less traction. Fwd cars just turn me off to be honest as I’ve owned a couple when younger and the feeling you get driving one is stressful especially when the road has cor ers and camber off camber etc. rear wheel drive or awd only
I'm sorry my guy but I have to say it - the shifting needs work. Slow to disengage, overall have your foot off the gas for what seems like a full second, RMPs are all over the place. You also completely missed the shift into 2nd on the first pull at 3:18 - You can hear rev limiter. Shouldn't have even shown that run.
Veloster is 2.0 so it is impressive compared to 2.5 sti. Also sti is faster with the launch only because it is awd.