Hey all, I covered this case many years ago now, but thought I'd give it another shot because more information and details have come out since then. You'll have to let me know what you thought about the hypothesis I shared at the end of the video in regards to how you might go about explaining this incident.
Really appreciate you covering this case, it was only a few nights ago I watched the case on netflix (files of the unexplained) which showed the family members. I ended up crying at the end, such a heartbreaking story. Thank you for so much more insight into this tragedy, and you spoke so respectfully 😊 Amazing work mister! Plus your hypothesis at the end! Wow 👌 thank you for all your hard work. May the Yuba 5 gents Rest in peace. God bless them, and you! X
@@EmmalineIrish I teared up as well, watching that. It made me so mad to hear they de-prioritized the search rather than prioritize it because of their intellectual disabilities. My brother was similarly challenged and consequently I feel like I can empathize with the families that much more.
I have searched everywhere looking for the music adam used for the first yuba 5, does anyone know what its called? Co.ag has so much to search thru but i cant find it.
This case always stick with me. I listened to the podcast with the family members and it still haunts me how one of the boys’s dad found his son’s remains.
Much deeper dive than I have seen before! It's such an intriguing case and so very sad. What you hypothesize holds water. Knowing unapologetic drunks through-out my life, I'd say it's a very fair assessment. I could see a guy like that... the unlikable alcoholic heart attack fellow gets mad at a car full of vulnerable guys, chases them to the middle of nowhere with or without a weapon. He then has a heart attack from all the exertion and leaves them to die. Maybe they didn't immediately go into the woods that far and tried to wait it out, but the scary drunk guy didn't leave because he was stuck in the snow and then "sleeping it off". So eventually tired and freezing, they trek out to find safety but never make it to tell their story, you know... Hypothetically. You don't have to be below the average intelligence level to panic or make bad decisions. It's too bad we'll never know the truth. Well Done!
I always get this idea of the situation playing out, (however it did) with the probable potentiality of significant complications due to the special needs aspect of the story, producing the following scenario. Something initially goes wrong. Things quickly spiral out of control, but they go out of control more quickly, more unexpectedly, and in a unique manner for each guy. I imagine Matias, realizing he is the one with the clarity, training and ability to most likely have success in righting the ship. I imagine him rising to incredible levels of heroics...maybe even eventually having found a safe haven for the boys, where he knew, worst case ontario, that they could survive for weeks and then, although near exhaustion, gave instructions, prepared the best he could, then set out to brave the weather etc. to find some kind of salvation for his friends, only to perish during his sacrificial quest..... And then, of course, ending up taking the most shade and suspicion of the group, in the end. RIP
@@andrewmckeown6786 tbh that’s exactly how I see it too, the various complicating factors which could affect them were such that it’s hard to come up with a precise answer. I think that, like you say, there was a leader who tried to help the rest out and there were a series of unfortunate events that led to this. I also find it so sad that one of the guys didn’t think he could eat the food or too much of the food becuase he thought it might be stealing But yeah, absolutely agree on this one dude
I also watch The Missing Enigma, and he did a 2 part treatment of this story which I found fascinating as it had so much more info than any other videos i have watched. Im so glad you are tackling this story again. There is still so much we just dont know.
This case has always bothered me. What are the odds that the main witness was also up a freezing desolate mountain at the same time as the boys? I would love to know where he had been drinking that might and if a road-rage incident forced them to flee, and him to end up with a heart attack.
Doesn't sound to plausibly to me either. I wonder about car jacking, or some relationship to drugs. Not that they took any but got talked into delivery?
Joe might have spotted the boys had mental health issues and threatened them to give him their car, as he's was stuck. Maybe Joe drove the boy's car to where it was found, it got stuck and Joe left it behind and began to walk. Perhaps Joe followed the boy's car from the outset and spooked them. After all, it's just as weird that Joe was on the mountain road, maybe he only got there by following and menacing the boys while they drove.
@@VMM34stop. No, seriously. Just fucking stop. There is quite literally not a single shred of evidence that would even remotley point to the fact of anything even remotley similar to anything you're trying to fabricate, in an effort to imply that those poor boys were victims of violence from that gentleman. The mere suggestion of otherwise is nothing short of slander, & is abhoreht. Absolutely abhorrent. Stop.
@@VMM34Stop. No, seriously. Just fucking stop. There is quite literally not a single shred of evidence that would even remotley point to the possibility of anything even remotley similar to anything you're trying to suggest (essentially alleging), in an effort to imply that those poor boys were victims of violence from that gentleman. The mere suggestion of otherwise is nothing short of slander, & is abhorrent. Absolutely abhorrent. Stop. Just stop.
With what I've heard from various accounts and the reputation of mental healthcare, its quite likely several of the men (and they were men ) were practically quite capable which makes it even more strange.
Hi Adam! Thank you for re-releasing this episode about the Yuba City 5. This case is very bizarre to me and has stuck with me more or less ever since I first heard/seen a video about the boys. It's horrible what happened to Jackie Jack Bill and Ted suffering hypothermia and Edema from Frostbite and Gary still being missing after all these years. I used to work with Adults with Disabilities so it must've been real scary for them. This is purely speculation but I was thinking they were chased up the mountain by someone and then fled into the woods to get away from whoever chased them, Then when Gary and Ted got to the trailer they didn't want to light a fire because Gary perhaps thought the pursuers would find them. Anyway I look forward to your next video! Timber
This channel always delivers. Very well researched and narrated, and the illustrations add more depth to the story. I think your hypothesis is a very good one re’ Folie a deux’. Look up the Swedish twins on the motorway as a good example of this. Thank you, Adam, for another excellent video. 😊👍
Awesome as always thanks! As someone with a physical disability I feel like some people probably wrote off the stranger parts of this case due to their situation. Unfortunately happens all the time. Thanks for the coverage!❤
If you look into the Tromp family that owned a farm in Silvan, Victoria, Australia, in 2016 you will find a strikingly similiar scenario that unfolded for them as to what your hypothesising may have occured to the Yuba 5. It was a very bizarre case of an otherwise ordinary rational adult family just up and fleeing their comfortable and stable lifestyle at a moments notice from imaginary pursuers across the country. All the while displaying some incredibly strange behaviour in order to avoid their imaginary pursuers. Luckily, avoiding the very tragic circumstances of the Yuba 5. But it really backs up and gives a lot of weight and credence to your theory regarding the infectious type of hysteria that can conjure up imaginary hostile forces that possibly drove the Yuba 5 to do what they did! You may even consider looking into and doing an episode on the Tromp family it would make for a good listen. Great podcast, by the way!👍😊
I enjoy listening to this case. Minus pushing the car free, the oddest thing to me is why didn’t they just walk back down the road? They could’ve literally followed their tire tracks. Something seems strange
Exactly! Thats always my first thought as well after thinking about them pushing the car free. It just makes no sense, unless they perhaps got scared by something & ran into the woods. That’s the only thing I can think of that even remotely makes a little sense, but then why did they go SO far? It could also explain why they seemingly split off into at least two groups if they got chased or scared into the woods. Did they get turned around? Again, couldn’t they have just laid low for a little bit, then followed their footprints back out? Truly one of the strangest cases I’ve ever heard.
@@Pluto_Is_A_Planet_ yeah no doubt it’s weird . Judging by the way they ran and split it does seem something scared them. I would think those guys would’ve wanted to stay together
@@bs431980 Exactly. That’s why them being scared & running off in two separate groups is the only thing that sort of makes sense, imo. I don’t think they would have purposefully separated like they did otherwise. People do all sorts of things they normally wouldn’t whenever they’re panicking, so that’s what it seems like happened here. The question is, though, is who or what scared them in the first place? Something we’ll probably never know unfortunately.
You did such a great job on covering this case. I’ve heard it many times before. The strange thing is, I’ve never heard anyone talk about how Joe was a drunk, and most of his fellow community members didn’t like him because he wasn’t a great guy. I always believed that the boys just made some wrong turns and their car got stuck and they all ran in different directions due to their mental disabilities. Now with the fact that Joe was drinking earlier that day I believe that he was drunk and may have tried to run the five boys off the road or his erratic drunk driving spooked them into thinking they were being followed and hunted by Joe. Maybe they didn’t light the fire inside of the cabin because they did not want Joe to find them? This is silly, but I am thinking about this because in the hunger games they tell Katniss not to light a fire in the arena because it’s a giant flare that lets everyone know where you are. I could be wrong, but that’s just my theory.
There’s a podcast series about this case it’s about five or six hour long episodes, very detailed and worth a listen if anyone wants to know more about the story
@@bs431980search 'yuba county 5 mopac' on google and it's the first result that pops up. I have to wonder how quite a few youtubers made new videos about this case but chose to ignore this podcast which includes interviews with the family members and direct witnesses. Jackies father for example believes that his son was in the cabin because he saw his sons initials which he was known to 'paint' at random places.
@MissingVoidTV The old man who had a mild heart attack stated he was being tailgated, what if he was the one who was tailgating the boys. The old man was drunk driving trying to overtake & he ended up going off the road while the boys went off the road getting stuck several hundred yards ahead because they were panicking about the old man trying to attack them. The boys ran off down the road & into the woods to hide while the old man came after them for help as he was having a mild heart attack but the boys hid & went silent so that wouldn't be caught by the old man who freaked them out. In a state of panic the boys became separated & they were too scared to give away their position by shouting out to the others. Two of the boys made it to the forest cabin to lay low & were too scared to start a fire or have lights fearing the old man was out there hunting them. The shared episode that you spoke of in the end might have been the one who was left wrapped on the bed was the one who was panicking so bad that the caretaker boy who ended up never being found, he most likely went along with the panic stricken boy's demands just to calm him down & in the end he left for help but fell victim to wild animals after he left.
I’m with you the shoe was on the other foot and he chased them and they scattered and the old man went back to the car and the boys were scared to death and stayed outside and died
If DUI guy shouted at them or angrily honked his horn, one or more of the boys could have started believing that he was chasing them rather than simply trying to get past them. They take another road trying to get away from him, he drunkenly keeps on their bumper and the rest is history.
His car was in front of the Boys Mercury car on the trail, there is no way in the snow for his car to get around them. Also Shones is a massive liar so we have no clue what actually happened with him and the boys.
YES!! One of my favourite stories. I was just commenting yesterday on your dyatlov pass video that you should revisit something like it again. Youre the best. Awoo00oo00o00ooo!!!
@MissingVoidTV yeah man please do it i think you can figure out what others can't. You have a very keen eye for details. I've noticed that about your work. If anyone can crack it, my money would be on you man.
I personally believe that Jack Hewitt was in the cabin too for a while. I believe that Gary secured the two boys in the cabin and took off to get help immediately. This would explain why the oil heater had not been used as Jack may not have understood it and both he and Gary would have thought that help was coming quickly. After a while I believe that Jack then went out possibly to also get help or look for Gary and either got lost or died from hypothermia.
I have a case you might be interested in covering, and thats the case of one Chance Englebert, from Moorcroft, Wyoming, USA. He disappeared after walking away from the home of his wife's family, only once being seen walking in a store security camera. He left behind his wife, newborn, and friends and family when he disappeared in 2019 and nothing has ever been found of him. I have plent more details if you're interested
Thanks for sharing that, always looking to research new cases. Definitely info dump if you feel like it, I'll give it a read through and will have a Google when I get the chance
When I saw "The Full Story", I had to stop what I was doing and click. I probably wouldn't have paid attention if another channel used that title, but Void doesn't really bait like that.
Hopefully it didn't disappoint, I probably could've gone on for another hour on this just adding details here and there but good lord, i'd have been editing for weeks
I think about this case every once in a blue moon. I remember having similar experience where we drove back home from movie theaters with me, my bro and 2 close friends, all of us being diagnosed with autism spectrum, and suddenly I went to the wrong road. Luckily it wasn't serious as it wasn't far where my home and the theater is and thank god we have technology like GPS but it was that moment that me and the gang started to panic. Looking back at this experience reminds me of this case. I don't know what they went through but I speculate the reason they suddenly stopped on the road was to cool their mind as they were probably stressed out that they went the wrong direction, one of them got out of the car in a panic and wandered off on the road to ease the stress. Now I don't know if this theory holds but that's how I visualize based on my personal experience with myself and my friends. Regardless, this was one of the mysterious cases next to Dyatlov Pass (Which is what the Yuba County Five to be considered the American Dyatlov Pass)
That's definitely a plausible scenario. I'm usually pretty good with these cases. Here's my take.... boys after leaving the store and heading home have a run in with drunk joe in a road rage incident. Drunk joe then chases the boys in his car. The boys then make a turn to try ro get away from joe and up the mountain they go. Jacks car finally gets stuck. It's not too bad but drunk joe is right on them. Drunk Joe then threatens the boys with a gun kr other weapon or scares them enough to make them flee their car and run away on foot. Drunk joe then jumps in his car and heads up the mountain a bit more to possibly try to cut them off or other reason. He hets stuck himself and beyween trying to push his car and from the stress of the altercation has a mild heart attack. You then know his story ... Back to the boys..... now after fleeing the car for their lives they realize they are a bit further away then they realize and got turned around. Then in the stress of the moment and not being of the highest intelligence and also possiblly thinking that this crazy drunk guy with a gun is after them they decide to follow the freshly machine packed trail not realizing it leads for miles and miles. Two fall behind and pass. Then a third. By the time the last two make it to the trailer they are exhausted, freezing and traumatized. They know their friends are dead. Ted is now injured and becoming sick. That leaves only Gary to fend for both of them. Gary whonis diagnosed paranoid schizophrenic, off his medication, cold hungry and now thinking a crazy man with a gun is after him decides they need to be queit and not create any fire light. He is obviously not in sound mind anymore. Ted flos succumbing to his illness so Gary decides to make an effort to go get help. He doesn't make it and is never found and ted finally passes feom his illness and hypothermia. A sad all around story with drunk being the cause of 5 deaths.
I'm usually pretty good with these cases. Here's my take.... boys after leaving the store and heading home have a run in with drunk joe in a road rage incident. Drunk joe then chases the boys in his car. The boys then make a turn to try ro get away from joe and up the mountain they go. Jacks car finally gets stuck. It's not too bad but drunk joe is right on them. Drunk Joe then threatens the boys with a gun kr other weapon or scares them enough to make them flee their car and run away on foot. Drunk joe then jumps in his car and heads up the mountain a bit more to possibly try to cut them off or other reason. He hets stuck himself and beyween trying to push his car and from the stress of the altercation has a mild heart attack. You then know his story ... Back to the boys..... now after fleeing the car for their lives they realize they are a bit further away then they realize and got turned around. Then in the stress of the moment and not being of the highest intelligence and also possiblly thinking that this crazy drunk guy with a gun is after them they decide to follow the freshly machine packed trail not realizing it leads for miles and miles. Two fall behind and pass. Then a third. By the time the last two make it to the trailer they are exhausted, freezing and traumatized. They know their friends are dead. Ted is now injured and becoming sick. That leaves only Gary to fend for both of them. Gary whonis diagnosed paranoid schizophrenic, off his medication, cold hungry and now thinking a crazy man with a gun is after him decides they need to be queit and not create any fire light. He is obviously not in sound mind anymore. Ted flos succumbing to his illness so Gary decides to make an effort to go get help. He doesn't make it and is never found and ted finally passes feom his illness and hypothermia. A sad all around story with drunk being the cause of 5 deaths.
I believe Joe's car was found in front of their's and they were basically driving in a path made by a plow with no way to pass. So Joe could never have gotten around them to where his car was seen. And why would be pull a gun on them? No one was shot, the car wasn't stolen and I believe they were all found with their wallets. Why would he need a gun? Makes sense that a gun would scare them but why would that even happen?
Yes, indeed. Who goes miles up a mountain to check on the roads. Surely you would rely on local weather warnings/reports or not go up there at all in such treacherous conditions. And who walks for miles after a suspected heart attack.
The thing is though they we’re alive for weeks after that night. If he did something to them would he have left witnesses? I think one of them had some kind of a mental breakdown and things went off the rails. Probably Gary. And the never found his body. Sus. Still no good answers. 😎✌🏻
@@daveatkins3568 I think gary stayed with Ted hiding till Ted passed while gary was going insane and then gary had to try and run on his own but eventually passed himself up to the north
Looking forward to watching this!! I remember the first video you did on this topic and it was really good!! Thanks Adam, I always enjoy and appreciate your attention to detail in the videos you cover!! 🫡
I don't hear enough about this case. An absolutely mind baffling event. So many possible scenarios,but I must say that Joseph Schoens looked very suspicious.
So glad to see you revisit this one, Adam! I remember your initial coverage of The Yuba County 5…. and the case also haunted me; ever since. But I have a question: At one point, didn’t a witness say she saw 2 of the boys in a phone booth at the store, or parking lot? One on the phone, the other looking around nervously. Did anyone ever ascertain WHO they were trying to call? I’m sure based on the time the witness said she saw them, they could have gotten phone log info to determine what number was dialed. That could be a VERY significant break. But nothing more was mentioned about that phone booth sighting, which leads me to believe it was NOT followed up on. WHY?? (Aside from the presumption of confirmation bias, I mean) I just feel line that was an important detail and really should have been followed up. A very simple checking of what number(s) were called from THAT pay phone, THAT night, ya know? Really, really sad and bizarre.
The only reason someone changes their story is because they are lying. I believe that for whatever reason, they had an altercation, that caused them to drive away from him, and in their panic took a wrong turn, he continued after them till they were stuck in the snow. This also explains the rolled down window and the unlocked vehicle. The passenger side window was rolled down because the passenger was looking out to see if they were still being pursued. When the tires spun in the snow, the men ran from the vehicle. It also explains why they didn't even try to push it. When they exited the vehicle they were running. In the panic they got separated from each other and were left to fend off the elements. Jon's story about the five people refusing to help him was strange, because it was a lie.
We know a lot about what happened to them once they left the car and their route of travel. What we don't know and is the main mystery is why they went that way in the first place. Jack Madruga knew the way home blindfold and the 3 others did not like the dark. When they went to the shop to buy snacks the owner stated there were only 5 of them.
Hi Adam which i hope is your name, i think the report you did on this mad crazy story was your work you did 5 yrs ago, the music used in the back round was so dark and spooky it was perfect !..
Especially after the house fire that Ted (if I remember that correctly) didn't want to get up and leave, it would have been impressed upon him how dangerous fire was. This is a really good thought. Ordinary logic has to be set aside.
@@MissingVoidTVI'm usually pretty good with these cases. Here's my take.... boys after leaving the store and heading home have a run in with drunk joe in a road rage incident. Drunk joe then chases the boys in his car. The boys then make a turn to try ro get away from joe and up the mountain they go. Jacks car finally gets stuck. It's not too bad but drunk joe is right on them. Drunk Joe then threatens the boys with a gun kr other weapon or scares them enough to make them flee their car and run away on foot. Drunk joe then jumps in his car and heads up the mountain a bit more to possibly try to cut them off or other reason. He hets stuck himself and beyween trying to push his car and from the stress of the altercation has a mild heart attack. You then know his story ... Back to the boys..... now after fleeing the car for their lives they realize they are a bit further away then they realize and got turned around. Then in the stress of the moment and not being of the highest intelligence and also possiblly thinking that this crazy drunk guy with a gun is after them they decide to follow the freshly machine packed trail not realizing it leads for miles and miles. Two fall behind and pass. Then a third. By the time the last two make it to the trailer they are exhausted, freezing and traumatized. They know their friends are dead. Ted is now injured and becoming sick. That leaves only Gary to fend for both of them. Gary whonis diagnosed paranoid schizophrenic, off his medication, cold hungry and now thinking a crazy man with a gun is after him decides they need to be queit and not create any fire light. He is obviously not in sound mind anymore. Ted flos succumbing to his illness so Gary decides to make an effort to go get help. He doesn't make it and is never found and ted finally passes feom his illness and hypothermia. A sad all around story with drunk Joe being the cause of 5 deaths.
Could also be that they were all rather religious and mentally challenged and may have believed to take things and use things from the cabin was stealing. Also they weren't found till months later. Who knows how much snow was around the trailers or sheds. The propane tanks and valves are often outside. Could they have been buried and hidden. Could the shed doors have been blocked in the beginning. No one will probably ever know why this happened.
My aunt is schizophrenic and people start looking like monsters after just hours of missing her medication. The schizophrenic would have literally been insanely hallucinating. I always felt this was a missing 411 or this Joe guy was part of something. I felt they were scared in that trailer.
This video is best of this case in youtube, especially final theory. Interesting fact is wells telling the couple that he had a close call while driving. Could it be the boys or he getting back of them with a weapon?
Regarding your shared psychosis theory. They were only in the car for short while, whereas your case study with the brothers they were together for longer in a hut.
The driver, Madruga, shows a rigidity I think I recognize in myself. He might've missed a turn or exit, which would've flustered him and increased the likelihood of making another. Each mistake would compound on another until he might've just shut down on that dirt road. By then he wouldn't risk turning the car around in the snow and dark and wouldn't let anyone else drive it. When they saw the caterpillar tracks they must've thought there'd be shelter or a phone nearby which might explain why they'd go up rather than down. Then that weirdo in his volkswagen would've freaked them out. I'd imagine heart attack man wouldn't be very coherent and must've frightened them further up the hill. Once the 3 of them make it to the shed, I see Gary running back quickly to try and save the other two and then getting lost and dying of exposure. Because if he had stayed, I'm sure he'd have found the other supplies and turned on the heat at least.
@@donnamcdonald-g8n Does that mean they couldn't have gotten lost? I kinda think he took the wrong exit, maybe he was distracted, maybe someone needed a bathroom break...
@@eugenehong8825 As stated if you follow the roadway from the store where they bought snacks, the road goes directly one-way straight home, you really cannot get lost on that road. Jack would of had to have made a purposeful turn almost in the opposite direction for no reason. He was a competent driver and had done the route many times. A pee break, they'd just left the game and there's a toilet at the store where they stopped and it's only about a 45 minute drive. I agree that once they were on the 'other road' for whatever reason, they then got lost and compounded the situation. It's just weird all round.
No, Madruga's family has stated multiple times that Jack Madruga, if he ever did make a wrong turn, did not panic and turned his car around instantly. Madruga never drove on dirt roads and if he ever reached one, he instantly turned his car around, he never continued driving on a dirt road. So, your theory is not correct.
I agree that the boys could have been fleeing somebody or convinced themselves that they were being pursued. A confrontation with that DUI man who kept changing his story is another possibility, especially if he brandished a gun. Maybe they had a confrontation after the game, but it was only shouts and insults, and then one or more of the boys spots a car and think they're being followed. Or DUI shouted at them and happen to be going their way. Then the shared madness kicks after one or more of the boys start thinking they're being pursued.
I'm from Northern Canada and grew up camping in -30 C winters. But I can honestly say that as of right this moment, if I stumbled upon a gas heater or another source of heat, I wouldn't know how to use it or start it. I have only used wood stoves as my heat. I would have tried but I'd be afraid of blowing the place up or carbon monoxide. My point is I don't know anything at all about gas stoves and I haven't even started a BBQ (lol I know pathetic) but that leaves me to believe that yes, they were afraid to make any smoke and give away thier location or simply didn't know how to use the gas heating. And I'm a converse shoe wearer. It's a summer shoe because once the temperature gets around 5 C or 41 F, they practically become useless because they retain condensation and your feet freeze faster. At least in another report I noticed that at least one or 2 of the boys had converse shoes.
Every time I hear this story it is mentioned: 1-Jack never let anyone drive the the Mercury Montego, and it was unlike him to leave it unlock. 2- The undercarriage was in prestine conditions; no dents, no mud,... even though Jack was not familiar with the mountain road that existed at the time. I think someone else was in the car and he got the car stuck in the snow. Then he lowered the window to talk with (at least) a second person (maybe following the Mercury in a second vehicle). When the 2 where distracted the boys made a run for it into the woods. These people could have eventually left in the second car.
My wife's brother sort of reminds of these guys. He is not disabled but slow. He can drive a car, but yet some times struggles to open a bottle of water. He is not a good driver but not the worst, some times he can get lost in quite familiar surroundings while driving. Regardless he managed to somehow finish carpenter school, but has never worked in the trade due to lack of skill.
My personal theory has always been that the boys got into a fight. Maybe one of them had an episode and things escalated beyond reason due to the stress of a parked car, maybe it was just bad luck. I think the two hiding either hurt their friends in some sort of heated, foolish young guys moment, or at least thought they would be blamed for it. Some missing bodies, others clearly having hiding at risk of their own lives, I think if you ignore the introduction that always follows this story, that makes the boys seem so darn nice (not saying they were anything but) and innocent, if the story didnt focus in on their special needs and such, people would see it as a bit less confusing. My personal guess would be a story something like thing, and forgive me for the lack of names, I'm honestly rather stoned and just awful with names. The boys leave the game, grab snacks, all is well. It is late and they are excited for the game the next day, so when the driver suggests a shortcut he knows they agree, or when he takes a wrong turn they are too busy talking about their incredibly exciting, distracting plans for the next day, they don't notice for a long while. At some point they likely noticed they were lost, at which point the classic debate would ensue, to turn around or keep going, most likely keep going won, right up until the car got stuck. Now here is honestly a fairly important part of my theory. Why wasnt the car moved? Well, I know with the idiots I used to drive around with in the snow, young and stupid, if the idiot that insisted we took a shortcut and then got the car stuck started tellin people to get out and push, yellin woulda ensued, and we are a buncha stoned canadian buds. So I suspect somebody was told to get out and push and didnt like that, or maybe they were scared and lost and got in a fight over turning around, either way, tempers flared. Now, I've been around a fair few special needs folks, great people one and all... but anybody that has worked with or around em knows that, when angry, they sometimes lack proportional response. It sounds like this could describe several of these young men. These were large, fit young men, and they were fulla sugar and maybe some adrenalin from fear, I think an argument spiralled out of hand before anybody tried to push the car, and I think it got far, far out of hand. Whatever happened, in the snow and on the side of a mountain who knows, but I think it caused at least two scared, young men to hide in a cabin and freeze to death for fear of being found. I'm sure they thought they would be in trouble, they were by all accounts decent good people, and I suspect something happened that made them afraid to return, or be found. To me, the saddest part is that this likely means that they died hiding, assuming the bodies had been found, when those bodies were the ones never found. PS, I really am not tryin to cast judgement here or pretend they were like, guilty, god only fucking knows what went down out there, I just suspect they knew what happened to their friends, and thought they would be blamed, there are countless ways to get from a fight in the snow to where they ended up, even more if you consider they might not have been entirely rational.
I think Joe threw out a red herring. I can see people with leaning differences not following 'logical' options and I think You're right about the shared fear. They probably couldn't work the heaters and there's a lot of reasons they wouldn't light a fire, like great of it burning down the cabin.
I have watched all the videos of the yuba county five i believe the men got lost took a wrong turn and ended up on the mountain and died from the elements they were so innocent may they rest in peace ❤ thank you for the video it is very good ilike the pictures and photos you have added in x excellent 👍
Throw away all things that isn't weird behavior. They went normally as planned, making it to the game and enjoyed IT. Then normally leaving and stopping at that Market to buy junk food, candy bars, cartons of milk and pepsis and moon pies. Then..... weird stuff, a red pickup truck and one of the men talking on a phone outside that he couldn't operate, then leaving and going home down the highway then taking a wrong turn off to Orroville and apparently up into the Las Plumas national forest in the middle of the night...towards the end. The only witness Joseph schons, in the middle of the same night going to check, at night, his cabin and the snow line up there. later on Joe had a apparent heart attack and spotted them and asks for help which all did not help him. He gets back in car and stays warm until gas runs out, then Joseph gets out and walks 8 or 9 miles back down the hill to some help that took him to the hospital. Then.......... Vanished without a trace... months later, all were found deceased in different places. All except one. You know what I think..?.. I think it was Joeseph who is the one they met earlier and led them behind him following him as they drove behind him slowly and then drove to that spot together and then Joe stops and the boys stopped behind him. It's funny in a weird way that they all arrived around the same time in the same area. They all drive slowly on the same night together. He took all 5 guys to the cabin he knew about and then he left and made up the whole story to cover his ass. Joe was heard later saying: "I should have done this two years ago". They all, both parties, arrive at or around the same time on the same night together. What a coincidence. and neither party wouldn't have normally went, during cold times, especially on the same night. Something is so fishy. What are the odds that both parties ended up at the same places at the same time frame on the same night is just outta sight. Joseph Schones story needs reexamination as his story has criminalization in the time frame.
33:11 "his tennis shoes were found inside the forest service trailer and only four sets of footprints were uncovered at the scene." What is meant by "scene" here? Is it the area around the service trailer or do they mean the entirety of the walked path?
This has been my area for close to half a century. I always think of these boys or young men. A scared delusion would be like the "Monkey Man" mass hysteria being the cause. If it could do that to a country. Then 5 young men wouldn't take much. Do too their cognitive issues. My local group has been pondering this for a week now. I just sent this over. Take the psychology of each individual to where and how they died. I think that would help clear out the oddities & a crazed killer. Thank you for sharing this 😊👍👍
It would be, honestly, very difficult to convince all 5 of one delusion. Especially those with intellectual disabilities who want to always stick to routine and never deviate from it like the five. I don't buy that theory at all.
This case is interesting. I read about a theory that a couple of known local “bullies” attacked the group, and perhaps even killed a member of the 5. They then threatened the remaining 4, and scared them so badly that they decided to travel up the country road up towards the cabin. And were scared enough to never return, and even starve. Scary. Scary thought
I’ve heard the theory you are talking about. Some of the boys families seem to put some stock in it. Supposedly Gary was killed by some guys and his body dumped into the Oroville lake/dam. Doesn’t make sense though as his sneakers were found in the trailer. Seems to disprove the theory.
They were mentally challenged so not thinking of looking for supplies to build a fire makes sense. Especially when you consider how fear affects the average person.
36 year around the mentally handicapped. imagine not having concept of time, so to say in a minute means nothing, not thinking about a fire burning your house down later, i can see him saying what he said as well. imagine not think about hurting someone because u don't feel it. it gets deep.
Ok. Who ate from the cans of food? You said there was 80 empty cans? They are maybe 3 to 4 weeks? Then they didn’t want to leave the trailer so they starved because they had two months more with no food? I’m confused
My theory is he got violent on them they ran of fear and he thought nothing of it but then they went missing knowing it was his fault and he lied to cover his ass Some and felt so bad amongst himself he went a bit crazy
Love it yet this story not an hour video as I saw the great Netflix doc and it had so many things not in it and from BedTime stories and MrBallen theirs so much more I didnt know about it. Needs to be a six part documentary as their so much info on this mystery. Gary facts here wasnt even told on other RUclipsrs. Love it. I only believe half of your theory yet maybe if Joe showed up and they rolled the window and that was enough for them to believe the hallucination as true. It deosnt work if its all in their minds as its five people and they showed no problem's before.
I believe there is a lot of shame that should be put on the rangers and deputies. From family statements and other stories I've heard, I believe that once they knew these boys were mentally handicapped, they felt there was just no way they could make the trailers. As a result they never bothered to search them. In the beginning the rangers and police didn't even want to consider them missing. From what I read, sadly one of the boy's father even came there and did his own search and found his son's body.
It also could be called "WHOS AFRAID OF NASTY JOE". I think the group Paranoia therory i acurate, exacerbated by the problems Gary had. But we shouldnt leave Joe out of the picture Maybe nasty Joe followed them, both vehicles got stuck and Joe came to their car while Gary tried to push it - then they fleed. Tragicly 3 of them died in the first night, Ted and Gary found the sheeds and were stucked there. I am not sure if Gary could stay healthy with his medication to be honest
The open car window kida gives me he ideathat they opened it so they could either lok back or talkj to someone. The wheelspin was upwards,, the car not stuck. I think someone chased them up there. You cn see they drove fast and maybe did not think they could make the turn
I think they were being chased, got stuck and didnt have enough time to get the car un stuck. The drivers window was open. Seems to me someone came to the window, jack rolled it down and whoever it was told the boys to get out. Most likely at gunpoint.
How could he do that? I'm genuinely curious. What schizophrenic symptom can enable Gary do manipulate 4 men to go against their fears of the dark and of the cold to go into the woods?
Here's an observation I will relate concerning this case. One or more of these boys had autism. As families with autism will tell you, it is a unique condition that doesn't seem to make sense at times. Here, in Virginia, in Oct. 2011 the Wood family went hiking with their two young children. At some point, Robbie, their autistic 10-year old, bolted into the forest and disappeared. The frantic family searched high and low but could not find him. Police were involved and could not locate him either. Days went by and the search expanded with hundreds of volunteers. Still no luck. Police were even considering the parents as suspects. Autism affects the mind in unusual ways. One of which is fear. Loud noise, strangers and even being approached sets off panic attacks. Six days after he went missing, Robbie Wood Jr. was found, curled up on the forest floor just outside the search area. He was in good shape and had eluded a huge manhunt for almost a week. You see, normally we assume that someone would want to be found. Searchers look for victims who would run toward them, not away from them. Autism doesn't play by those rules. The Yuba 5 may have evaded the searchers. Local police may not have known about these affects and assumed the boys would rush toward them. It offers one possibility that I haven't seen mentioned yet.
Hey all, I covered this case many years ago now, but thought I'd give it another shot because more information and details have come out since then. You'll have to let me know what you thought about the hypothesis I shared at the end of the video in regards to how you might go about explaining this incident.
Dude I'm loving the new sharp editing styles. Crisp and cool. You even sound more determined and passionate now. Impressive
Really appreciate you covering this case, it was only a few nights ago I watched the case on netflix (files of the unexplained) which showed the family members. I ended up crying at the end, such a heartbreaking story. Thank you for so much more insight into this tragedy, and you spoke so respectfully 😊 Amazing work mister! Plus your hypothesis at the end! Wow 👌 thank you for all your hard work. May the Yuba 5 gents Rest in peace. God bless them, and you! X
@@Theothesleeperthank you! It's a lot more work but I think it's worth it
@@EmmalineIrish I teared up as well, watching that. It made me so mad to hear they de-prioritized the search rather than prioritize it because of their intellectual disabilities. My brother was similarly challenged and consequently I feel like I can empathize with the families that much more.
I have searched everywhere looking for the music adam used for the first yuba 5, does anyone know what its called? Co.ag has so much to search thru but i cant find it.
Every once in a while I think about this case.
Same, one of the reasons I wanted to try covering this again
Me too, and I wish something new would surface.
This is such a terrible thing 😪 I wish we knew, for sure what happened. Just horribly sad.
Same. For some reason. I live nowhere near them. I know nothing else about em. Just an interesting case, I guess.
I do... whenever a channel I'm subscribed to regurgitates it
I hear something different each time I hear an account of this story. I like the detailed and respectful way you described each of the men.
The things now known about Garry make me really wonder. He did some weird stuff.
This case always stick with me. I listened to the podcast with the family members and it still haunts me how one of the boys’s dad found his son’s remains.
What podcast are u referring to? I’d like to listen
@lachicafun, what podcast was
This please? Thanks
@@bs431980 Yuba County 5 by Mopac Audio. I listened to it on Apple Podcasts. There’s about 11 episodes
@@chucktplatt Yuba Country 5 by Mopac Audio. I listened to it on Apple Podcast. There’s about 11 episodes
also wondering the name. i'm not really into podcasts, but i'd listen to this.
Much deeper dive than I have seen before! It's such an intriguing case and so very sad.
What you hypothesize holds water. Knowing unapologetic drunks through-out my life, I'd say it's a very fair assessment. I could see a guy like that...
the unlikable alcoholic heart attack fellow gets mad at a car full of vulnerable guys, chases them to the middle of nowhere with or without a weapon. He then has a heart attack from all the exertion and leaves them to die. Maybe they didn't immediately go into the woods that far and tried to wait it out, but the scary drunk guy didn't leave because he was stuck in the snow and then "sleeping it off". So eventually tired and freezing, they trek out to find safety but never make it to tell their story, you know... Hypothetically. You don't have to be below the average intelligence level to panic or make bad decisions.
It's too bad we'll never know the truth.
Well Done!
Make sure you check out The Missing Enigma's multiple deep dives as well!
Are any drunks apologetic? Sincerely, I mean? Had too many bad experiences myself with such types....
This video was not a deep dive. Just a bad joke.
This case is one of those that always plays on my mind, there are so many different aspects that just do not make sense
I always get this idea of the situation playing out, (however it did)
with the probable potentiality of significant complications due to the special needs aspect of the story, producing the following scenario.
Something initially goes wrong. Things quickly spiral out of control, but they go out of control more quickly, more unexpectedly, and in a unique manner for each guy. I imagine Matias, realizing he is the one with the clarity, training and ability to most likely have success in righting the ship.
I imagine him rising to incredible levels of heroics...maybe even eventually having found a safe haven for the boys, where he knew, worst case ontario,
that they could survive for weeks and then, although near exhaustion, gave instructions, prepared the best he could, then set out to brave the weather etc. to find some kind of salvation for his friends, only to perish during his sacrificial quest.....
And then,
of course,
ending up taking the most shade and suspicion of the group, in the end.
RIP
@@andrewmckeown6786 tbh that’s exactly how I see it too, the various complicating factors which could affect them were such that it’s hard to come up with a precise answer. I think that, like you say, there was a leader who tried to help the rest out and there were a series of unfortunate events that led to this.
I also find it so sad that one of the guys didn’t think he could eat the food or too much of the food becuase he thought it might be stealing
But yeah, absolutely agree on this one dude
I also watch The Missing Enigma, and he did a 2 part treatment of this story which I found fascinating as it had so much more info than any other videos i have watched. Im so glad you are tackling this story again. There is still so much we just dont know.
This case has always bothered me.
What are the odds that the main witness was also up a freezing desolate mountain at the same time as the boys?
I would love to know where he had been drinking that might and if a road-rage incident forced them to flee, and him to end up with a heart attack.
Doesn't sound to plausibly to me either. I wonder about car jacking, or some relationship to drugs. Not that they took any but got talked into delivery?
Joe might have spotted the boys had mental health issues and threatened them to give him their car, as he's was stuck. Maybe Joe drove the boy's car to where it was found, it got stuck and Joe left it behind and began to walk.
Perhaps Joe followed the boy's car from the outset and spooked them. After all, it's just as weird that Joe was on the mountain road, maybe he only got there by following and menacing the boys while they drove.
@@VMM34stop. No, seriously. Just fucking stop. There is quite literally not a single shred of evidence that would even remotley point to the fact of anything even remotley similar to anything you're trying to fabricate, in an effort to imply that those poor boys were victims of violence from that gentleman. The mere suggestion of otherwise is nothing short of slander, & is abhoreht. Absolutely abhorrent.
Stop.
@@VMM34Stop. No, seriously. Just fucking stop. There is quite literally not a single shred of evidence that would even remotley point to the possibility of anything even remotley similar to anything you're trying to suggest (essentially alleging), in an effort to imply that those poor boys were victims of violence from that gentleman. The mere suggestion of otherwise is nothing short of slander, & is abhorrent. Absolutely abhorrent.
Stop. Just stop.
I just love it when I find a great channel to binge during my night time insomnia 😍 LOVE this one!
Even thou they werent the most clever lads, theire behavior is most one of the stranges cases that its really odd!
With what I've heard from various accounts and the reputation of mental healthcare, its quite likely several of the men (and they were men ) were practically quite capable which makes it even more strange.
Well, having intellectual disabilities doesn't make you dumb. 3 of the 5 were described as being quite intelligent.
Hi Adam!
Thank you for re-releasing this episode about the Yuba City 5. This case is very bizarre to me and has stuck with me more or less ever since I first heard/seen a video about the boys. It's horrible what happened to Jackie Jack Bill and Ted suffering hypothermia and Edema from Frostbite and Gary still being missing after all these years. I used to work with Adults with Disabilities so it must've been real scary for them. This is purely speculation but I was thinking they were chased up the mountain by someone and then fled into the woods to get away from whoever chased them, Then when Gary and Ted got to the trailer they didn't want to light a fire because Gary perhaps thought the pursuers would find them. Anyway I look forward to your next video!
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This story is so very haunting. Your final conclusion seems like the best guess I have heard pertaining to this story.Thanks!☺
This channel always delivers. Very well researched and narrated, and the illustrations add more depth to the story. I think your hypothesis is a very good one re’ Folie a deux’. Look up the Swedish twins on the motorway as a good example of this. Thank you, Adam, for another excellent video. 😊👍
Awsome coverage of this unfortunate incident. I've watched both episodes and found this one more informative. A sad state of affairs.
Thank you! I definitely thought it was worth doing again, and I'm pretty sure this one is double the length of the first
I keep coming back to this case because it’s so fascinating. Last night I watched three of my favorite documentaries on this, including this one.
Awesome as always thanks! As someone with a physical disability I feel like some people probably wrote off the stranger parts of this case due to their situation. Unfortunately happens all the time. Thanks for the coverage!❤
If you look into the Tromp family that owned a farm in Silvan, Victoria, Australia, in 2016 you will find a strikingly similiar scenario that unfolded for them as to what your hypothesising may have occured to the Yuba 5.
It was a very bizarre case of an otherwise ordinary rational adult family just up and fleeing their comfortable and stable lifestyle at a moments notice from imaginary pursuers across the country. All the while displaying some incredibly strange behaviour in order to avoid their imaginary pursuers.
Luckily, avoiding the very tragic circumstances of the Yuba 5. But it really backs up and gives a lot of weight and credence to your theory regarding the infectious type of hysteria that can conjure up imaginary hostile forces that possibly drove the Yuba 5 to do what they did!
You may even consider looking into and doing an episode on the Tromp family it would make for a good listen. Great podcast, by the way!👍😊
I enjoy listening to this case. Minus pushing the car free, the oddest thing to me is why didn’t they just walk back down the road? They could’ve literally followed their tire tracks. Something seems strange
Exactly! Thats always my first thought as well after thinking about them pushing the car free. It just makes no sense, unless they perhaps got scared by something & ran into the woods. That’s the only thing I can think of that even remotely makes a little sense, but then why did they go SO far? It could also explain why they seemingly split off into at least two groups if they got chased or scared into the woods. Did they get turned around? Again, couldn’t they have just laid low for a little bit, then followed their footprints back out? Truly one of the strangest cases I’ve ever heard.
@@Pluto_Is_A_Planet_ yeah no doubt it’s weird . Judging by the way they ran and split it does seem something scared them. I would think those guys would’ve wanted to stay together
@@bs431980 Exactly. That’s why them being scared & running off in two separate groups is the only thing that sort of makes sense, imo. I don’t think they would have purposefully separated like they did otherwise. People do all sorts of things they normally wouldn’t whenever they’re panicking, so that’s what it seems like happened here. The question is, though, is who or what scared them in the first place? Something we’ll probably never know unfortunately.
I've watched a lot of videos about this base but this was by far the most in depth video yet. Thank you
You did such a great job on covering this case. I’ve heard it many times before. The strange thing is, I’ve never heard anyone talk about how Joe was a drunk, and most of his fellow community members didn’t like him because he wasn’t a great guy. I always believed that the boys just made some wrong turns and their car got stuck and they all ran in different directions due to their mental disabilities. Now with the fact that Joe was drinking earlier that day I believe that he was drunk and may have tried to run the five boys off the road or his erratic drunk driving spooked them into thinking they were being followed and hunted by Joe. Maybe they didn’t light the fire inside of the cabin because they did not want Joe to find them? This is silly, but I am thinking about this because in the hunger games they tell Katniss not to light a fire in the arena because it’s a giant flare that lets everyone know where you are. I could be wrong, but that’s just my theory.
The only way I can imagine their behavior being the way it was from the evidence is they were in fears for their lives.
You're doing so good mate. I love this channel. Your research skills, your speaking voice. Nowhere to go but up.
There’s a podcast series about this case it’s about five or six hour long episodes, very detailed and worth a listen if anyone wants to know more about the story
What’s it called? Is it on podcast app or RUclips?
@@bs431980 +1 here. What's it called?
Give us a clue?
The podcast is by Mopac Audio, I think it s@@andreah1104 I think it is called
The Yuba County Five.
@@bs431980search 'yuba county 5 mopac' on google and it's the first result that pops up. I have to wonder how quite a few youtubers made new videos about this case but chose to ignore this podcast which includes interviews with the family members and direct witnesses. Jackies father for example believes that his son was in the cabin because he saw his sons initials which he was known to 'paint' at random places.
Glad you did this case for 2024.
This is the 0ne that stays with you.
Okay, going to listen now.
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Thanks again friend. The boys should
never be forgot.
@MissingVoidTV
The old man who had a mild heart attack stated he was being tailgated, what if he was the one who was tailgating the boys. The old man was drunk driving trying to overtake & he ended up going off the road while the boys went off the road getting stuck several hundred yards ahead because they were panicking about the old man trying to attack them.
The boys ran off down the road & into the woods to hide while the old man came after them for help as he was having a mild heart attack but the boys hid & went silent so that wouldn't be caught by the old man who freaked them out. In a state of panic the boys became separated & they were too scared to give away their position by shouting out to the others. Two of the boys made it to the forest cabin to lay low & were too scared to start a fire or have lights fearing the old man was out there hunting them.
The shared episode that you spoke of in the end might have been the one who was left wrapped on the bed was the one who was panicking so bad that the caretaker boy who ended up never being found, he most likely went along with the panic stricken boy's demands just to calm him down & in the end he left for help but fell victim to wild animals after he left.
I’m with you the shoe was on the other foot and he chased them and they scattered and the old man went back to the car and the boys were scared to death and stayed outside and died
Doesn't explain why they were on that road to begin with.
If DUI guy shouted at them or angrily honked his horn, one or more of the boys could have started believing that he was chasing them rather than simply trying to get past them. They take another road trying to get away from him, he drunkenly keeps on their bumper and the rest is history.
His car was in front of the Boys Mercury car on the trail, there is no way in the snow for his car to get around them.
Also Shones is a massive liar so we have no clue what actually happened with him and the boys.
YES!! One of my favourite stories. I was just commenting yesterday on your dyatlov pass video that you should revisit something like it again. Youre the best. Awoo00oo00o00ooo!!!
I think I saw that comment actually, I might look into Dyatlov Pass again at some point and extend what I'd made however many years ago that was
@MissingVoidTV yeah man please do it i think you can figure out what others can't. You have a very keen eye for details. I've noticed that about your work. If anyone can crack it, my money would be on you man.
I'm glad to see u cover this again. I'm going to listen now.
I personally believe that Jack Hewitt was in the cabin too for a while. I believe that Gary secured the two boys in the cabin and took off to get help immediately. This would explain why the oil heater had not been used as Jack may not have understood it and both he and Gary would have thought that help was coming quickly. After a while I believe that Jack then went out possibly to also get help or look for Gary and either got lost or died from hypothermia.
I have a case you might be interested in covering, and thats the case of one Chance Englebert, from Moorcroft, Wyoming, USA. He disappeared after walking away from the home of his wife's family, only once being seen walking in a store security camera. He left behind his wife, newborn, and friends and family when he disappeared in 2019 and nothing has ever been found of him. I have plent more details if you're interested
Thanks for sharing that, always looking to research new cases. Definitely info dump if you feel like it, I'll give it a read through and will have a Google when I get the chance
Your storytelling and artwork are fantastic 👍
Thank you very much!
When I saw "The Full Story", I had to stop what I was doing and click. I probably wouldn't have paid attention if another channel used that title, but Void doesn't really bait like that.
Hopefully it didn't disappoint, I probably could've gone on for another hour on this just adding details here and there but good lord, i'd have been editing for weeks
@@MissingVoidTV It was great. Well done
Quality over quantity Adam.
Good show!!!
Great job!! Thanks for the new info the others didn’t cover.
ohh my god, i am saving this one for later when i am making dinner, i really enjoy ur channel.
I think about this case every once in a blue moon. I remember having similar experience where we drove back home from movie theaters with me, my bro and 2 close friends, all of us being diagnosed with autism spectrum, and suddenly I went to the wrong road. Luckily it wasn't serious as it wasn't far where my home and the theater is and thank god we have technology like GPS but it was that moment that me and the gang started to panic.
Looking back at this experience reminds me of this case. I don't know what they went through but I speculate the reason they suddenly stopped on the road was to cool their mind as they were probably stressed out that they went the wrong direction, one of them got out of the car in a panic and wandered off on the road to ease the stress. Now I don't know if this theory holds but that's how I visualize based on my personal experience with myself and my friends.
Regardless, this was one of the mysterious cases next to Dyatlov Pass (Which is what the Yuba County Five to be considered the American Dyatlov Pass)
That's definitely a plausible scenario. I'm usually pretty good with these cases. Here's my take.... boys after leaving the store and heading home have a run in with drunk joe in a road rage incident. Drunk joe then chases the boys in his car. The boys then make a turn to try ro get away from joe and up the mountain they go. Jacks car finally gets stuck. It's not too bad but drunk joe is right on them. Drunk Joe then threatens the boys with a gun kr other weapon or scares them enough to make them flee their car and run away on foot. Drunk joe then jumps in his car and heads up the mountain a bit more to possibly try to cut them off or other reason. He hets stuck himself and beyween trying to push his car and from the stress of the altercation has a mild heart attack. You then know his story ...
Back to the boys..... now after fleeing the car for their lives they realize they are a bit further away then they realize and got turned around. Then in the stress of the moment and not being of the highest intelligence and also possiblly thinking that this crazy drunk guy with a gun is after them they decide to follow the freshly machine packed trail not realizing it leads for miles and miles. Two fall behind and pass. Then a third. By the time the last two make it to the trailer they are exhausted, freezing and traumatized. They know their friends are dead. Ted is now injured and becoming sick. That leaves only Gary to fend for both of them. Gary whonis diagnosed paranoid schizophrenic, off his medication, cold hungry and now thinking a crazy man with a gun is after him decides they need to be queit and not create any fire light. He is obviously not in sound mind anymore. Ted flos succumbing to his illness so Gary decides to make an effort to go get help. He doesn't make it and is never found and ted finally passes feom his illness and hypothermia.
A sad all around story with drunk being the cause of 5 deaths.
Very well researched. Impressive. I think your theory is very plausible.
My guy, I haven't heard from you in awhile.💯👍🏾
Such a great channel. The accent doesn’t hurt the quality, that’s for sure! Nice job, as usual.
Thank you!
I'm usually pretty good with these cases. Here's my take.... boys after leaving the store and heading home have a run in with drunk joe in a road rage incident. Drunk joe then chases the boys in his car. The boys then make a turn to try ro get away from joe and up the mountain they go. Jacks car finally gets stuck. It's not too bad but drunk joe is right on them. Drunk Joe then threatens the boys with a gun kr other weapon or scares them enough to make them flee their car and run away on foot. Drunk joe then jumps in his car and heads up the mountain a bit more to possibly try to cut them off or other reason. He hets stuck himself and beyween trying to push his car and from the stress of the altercation has a mild heart attack. You then know his story ...
Back to the boys..... now after fleeing the car for their lives they realize they are a bit further away then they realize and got turned around. Then in the stress of the moment and not being of the highest intelligence and also possiblly thinking that this crazy drunk guy with a gun is after them they decide to follow the freshly machine packed trail not realizing it leads for miles and miles. Two fall behind and pass. Then a third. By the time the last two make it to the trailer they are exhausted, freezing and traumatized. They know their friends are dead. Ted is now injured and becoming sick. That leaves only Gary to fend for both of them. Gary whonis diagnosed paranoid schizophrenic, off his medication, cold hungry and now thinking a crazy man with a gun is after him decides they need to be queit and not create any fire light. He is obviously not in sound mind anymore. Ted flos succumbing to his illness so Gary decides to make an effort to go get help. He doesn't make it and is never found and ted finally passes feom his illness and hypothermia.
A sad all around story with drunk being the cause of 5 deaths.
I believe Joe's car was found in front of their's and they were basically driving in a path made by a plow with no way to pass. So Joe could never have gotten around them to where his car was seen. And why would be pull a gun on them? No one was shot, the car wasn't stolen and I believe they were all found with their wallets. Why would he need a gun? Makes sense that a gun would scare them but why would that even happen?
Joe's story is all over the place i think he knew exactly what happened to those guys
I think the police likely felt he was dodgy
Yes, indeed. Who goes miles up a mountain to check on the roads. Surely you would rely on local weather warnings/reports or not go up there at all in such treacherous conditions. And who walks for miles after a suspected heart attack.
I agree!
The thing is though they we’re alive for weeks after that night. If he did something to them would he have left witnesses? I think one of them had some kind of a mental breakdown and things went off the rails. Probably Gary. And the never found his body. Sus. Still no good answers. 😎✌🏻
@@daveatkins3568 I think gary stayed with Ted hiding till Ted passed while gary was going insane and then gary had to try and run on his own but eventually passed himself up to the north
Looking forward to watching this!! I remember the first video you did on this topic and it was really good!! Thanks Adam, I always enjoy and appreciate your attention to detail in the videos you cover!!
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Cheers Jamie, I remember at the time I thought it was one of the better videos I'd made, definitely deserving of a revisit to add more detail
Definitely agree 💯 Thanks again Adam, part 2 was just as good!!
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I don't hear enough about this case. An absolutely mind baffling event. So many possible scenarios,but I must say that Joseph Schoens looked very suspicious.
So glad to see you revisit this one, Adam! I remember your initial coverage of The Yuba County 5…. and the case also haunted me; ever since.
But I have a question:
At one point, didn’t a witness say she saw 2 of the boys in a phone booth at the store, or parking lot? One on the phone, the other looking around nervously. Did anyone ever ascertain WHO they were trying to call? I’m sure based on the time the witness said she saw them, they could have gotten phone log info to determine what number was dialed.
That could be a VERY significant break.
But nothing more was mentioned about that phone booth sighting, which leads me to believe it was NOT followed up on.
WHY??
(Aside from the presumption of confirmation bias, I mean) I just feel line that was an important detail and really should have been followed up. A very simple checking of what number(s) were called from THAT pay phone, THAT night, ya know?
Really, really sad and bizarre.
She lied.
Thank you for more information about joe and for covering this with more info altogether.
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The only reason someone changes their story is because they are lying. I believe that for whatever reason, they had an altercation, that caused them to drive away from him, and in their panic took a wrong turn, he continued after them till they were stuck in the snow. This also explains the rolled down window and the unlocked vehicle. The passenger side window was rolled down because the passenger was looking out to see if they were still being pursued. When the tires spun in the snow, the men ran from the vehicle. It also explains why they didn't even try to push it. When they exited the vehicle they were running. In the panic they got separated from each other and were left to fend off the elements. Jon's story about the five people refusing to help him was strange, because it was a lie.
We know a lot about what happened to them once they left the car and their route of travel. What we don't know and is the main mystery is why they went that way in the first place. Jack Madruga knew the way home blindfold and the 3 others did not like the dark. When they went to the shop to buy snacks the owner stated there were only 5 of them.
Hi Adam which i hope is your name, i think the report you did on this mad crazy story was your work you did 5 yrs ago, the music used in the back round was so dark and spooky it was perfect !..
literally jump up and down when there’s a new missing void video for me to sleep to
Haha hope it helped!
@31:45 hypothesis : one of surviving guys says “no. No no no. We are not supposed to play with fire” and group agrees/it’s settled once and for all
If Gary wasn't present at the cabin, I could actually see something like that happening
Especially after the house fire that Ted (if I remember that correctly) didn't want to get up and leave, it would have been impressed upon him how dangerous fire was. This is a really good thought. Ordinary logic has to be set aside.
@@MissingVoidTVI'm usually pretty good with these cases. Here's my take.... boys after leaving the store and heading home have a run in with drunk joe in a road rage incident. Drunk joe then chases the boys in his car. The boys then make a turn to try ro get away from joe and up the mountain they go. Jacks car finally gets stuck. It's not too bad but drunk joe is right on them. Drunk Joe then threatens the boys with a gun kr other weapon or scares them enough to make them flee their car and run away on foot. Drunk joe then jumps in his car and heads up the mountain a bit more to possibly try to cut them off or other reason. He hets stuck himself and beyween trying to push his car and from the stress of the altercation has a mild heart attack. You then know his story ...
Back to the boys..... now after fleeing the car for their lives they realize they are a bit further away then they realize and got turned around. Then in the stress of the moment and not being of the highest intelligence and also possiblly thinking that this crazy drunk guy with a gun is after them they decide to follow the freshly machine packed trail not realizing it leads for miles and miles. Two fall behind and pass. Then a third. By the time the last two make it to the trailer they are exhausted, freezing and traumatized. They know their friends are dead. Ted is now injured and becoming sick. That leaves only Gary to fend for both of them. Gary whonis diagnosed paranoid schizophrenic, off his medication, cold hungry and now thinking a crazy man with a gun is after him decides they need to be queit and not create any fire light. He is obviously not in sound mind anymore. Ted flos succumbing to his illness so Gary decides to make an effort to go get help. He doesn't make it and is never found and ted finally passes feom his illness and hypothermia.
A sad all around story with drunk Joe being the cause of 5 deaths.
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Could also be that they were all rather religious and mentally challenged and may have believed to take things and use things from the cabin was stealing. Also they weren't found till months later. Who knows how much snow was around the trailers or sheds. The propane tanks and valves are often outside. Could they have been buried and hidden. Could the shed doors have been blocked in the beginning. No one will probably ever know why this happened.
My aunt is schizophrenic and people start looking like monsters after just hours of missing her medication. The schizophrenic would have literally been insanely hallucinating. I always felt this was a missing 411 or this Joe guy was part of something. I felt they were scared in that trailer.
This video is best of this case in youtube, especially final theory. Interesting fact is wells telling the couple that he had a close call while driving. Could it be the boys or he getting back of them with a weapon?
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Regarding your shared psychosis theory. They were only in the car for short while, whereas your case study with the brothers they were together for longer in a hut.
Yeah this has always stuck with me too mainly because the details just don’t add up whatsoever.
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I'm sorry to hear that Waters, glad I can help even if it's only a tiny bit
Folie a cinq?
It might be the only known case
The driver, Madruga, shows a rigidity I think I recognize in myself. He might've missed a turn or exit, which would've flustered him and increased the likelihood of making another. Each mistake would compound on another until he might've just shut down on that dirt road. By then he wouldn't risk turning the car around in the snow and dark and wouldn't let anyone else drive it. When they saw the caterpillar tracks they must've thought there'd be shelter or a phone nearby which might explain why they'd go up rather than down. Then that weirdo in his volkswagen would've freaked them out. I'd imagine heart attack man wouldn't be very coherent and must've frightened them further up the hill. Once the 3 of them make it to the shed, I see Gary running back quickly to try and save the other two and then getting lost and dying of exposure. Because if he had stayed, I'm sure he'd have found the other supplies and turned on the heat at least.
If you follow the roadway it is impossible to turn without knowing about it. The road goes straight down to where they lived.
@@donnamcdonald-g8n Does that mean they couldn't have gotten lost? I kinda think he took the wrong exit, maybe he was distracted, maybe someone needed a bathroom break...
@@eugenehong8825 As stated if you follow the roadway from the store where they bought snacks, the road goes directly one-way straight home, you really cannot get lost on that road. Jack would of had to have made a purposeful turn almost in the opposite direction for no reason. He was a competent driver and had done the route many times. A pee break, they'd just left the game and there's a toilet at the store where they stopped and it's only about a 45 minute drive. I agree that once they were on the 'other road' for whatever reason, they then got lost and compounded the situation. It's just weird all round.
No, Madruga's family has stated multiple times that Jack Madruga, if he ever did make a wrong turn, did not panic and turned his car around instantly. Madruga never drove on dirt roads and if he ever reached one, he instantly turned his car around, he never continued driving on a dirt road. So, your theory is not correct.
@@ClarkKenttheBoss He only drove about a 100 yards into the dirt road before leaving the car.
I agree that the boys could have been fleeing somebody or convinced themselves that they were being pursued. A confrontation with that DUI man who kept changing his story is another possibility, especially if he brandished a gun. Maybe they had a confrontation after the game, but it was only shouts and insults, and then one or more of the boys spots a car and think they're being followed. Or DUI shouted at them and happen to be going their way. Then the shared madness kicks after one or more of the boys start thinking they're being pursued.
I'm from Northern Canada and grew up camping in -30 C winters. But I can honestly say that as of right this moment, if I stumbled upon a gas heater or another source of heat, I wouldn't know how to use it or start it. I have only used wood stoves as my heat. I would have tried but I'd be afraid of blowing the place up or carbon monoxide. My point is I don't know anything at all about gas stoves and I haven't even started a BBQ (lol I know pathetic) but that leaves me to believe that yes, they were afraid to make any smoke and give away thier location or simply didn't know how to use the gas heating.
And I'm a converse shoe wearer. It's a summer shoe because once the temperature gets around 5 C or 41 F, they practically become useless because they retain condensation and your feet freeze faster. At least in another report I noticed that at least one or 2 of the boys had converse shoes.
Every time I hear this story it is mentioned:
1-Jack never let anyone drive the the Mercury Montego, and it was unlike him to leave it unlock.
2- The undercarriage was in prestine conditions; no dents, no mud,... even though Jack was not familiar with the mountain road that existed at the time.
I think someone else was in the car and he got the car stuck in the snow. Then he lowered the window to talk with (at least) a second person (maybe following the Mercury in a second vehicle). When the 2 where distracted the boys made a run for it into the woods. These people could have eventually left in the second car.
The biggest issue with this is that Jack Remains had the cars keys in his pocket. The only way this works is if there were 2 seperate pairs of keys;
Yeah I think you’re pulling this one out of your ass.
This story is extremely bizarre! 😮
My wife's brother sort of reminds of these guys. He is not disabled but slow. He can drive a car, but yet some times struggles to open a bottle of water. He is not a good driver but not the worst, some times he can get lost in quite familiar surroundings while driving. Regardless he managed to somehow finish carpenter school, but has never worked in the trade due to lack of skill.
My personal theory has always been that the boys got into a fight. Maybe one of them had an episode and things escalated beyond reason due to the stress of a parked car, maybe it was just bad luck. I think the two hiding either hurt their friends in some sort of heated, foolish young guys moment, or at least thought they would be blamed for it. Some missing bodies, others clearly having hiding at risk of their own lives, I think if you ignore the introduction that always follows this story, that makes the boys seem so darn nice (not saying they were anything but) and innocent, if the story didnt focus in on their special needs and such, people would see it as a bit less confusing.
My personal guess would be a story something like thing, and forgive me for the lack of names, I'm honestly rather stoned and just awful with names.
The boys leave the game, grab snacks, all is well. It is late and they are excited for the game the next day, so when the driver suggests a shortcut he knows they agree, or when he takes a wrong turn they are too busy talking about their incredibly exciting, distracting plans for the next day, they don't notice for a long while. At some point they likely noticed they were lost, at which point the classic debate would ensue, to turn around or keep going, most likely keep going won, right up until the car got stuck.
Now here is honestly a fairly important part of my theory. Why wasnt the car moved? Well, I know with the idiots I used to drive around with in the snow, young and stupid, if the idiot that insisted we took a shortcut and then got the car stuck started tellin people to get out and push, yellin woulda ensued, and we are a buncha stoned canadian buds. So I suspect somebody was told to get out and push and didnt like that, or maybe they were scared and lost and got in a fight over turning around, either way, tempers flared.
Now, I've been around a fair few special needs folks, great people one and all... but anybody that has worked with or around em knows that, when angry, they sometimes lack proportional response. It sounds like this could describe several of these young men. These were large, fit young men, and they were fulla sugar and maybe some adrenalin from fear, I think an argument spiralled out of hand before anybody tried to push the car, and I think it got far, far out of hand.
Whatever happened, in the snow and on the side of a mountain who knows, but I think it caused at least two scared, young men to hide in a cabin and freeze to death for fear of being found. I'm sure they thought they would be in trouble, they were by all accounts decent good people, and I suspect something happened that made them afraid to return, or be found. To me, the saddest part is that this likely means that they died hiding, assuming the bodies had been found, when those bodies were the ones never found.
PS, I really am not tryin to cast judgement here or pretend they were like, guilty, god only fucking knows what went down out there, I just suspect they knew what happened to their friends, and thought they would be blamed, there are countless ways to get from a fight in the snow to where they ended up, even more if you consider they might not have been entirely rational.
Wow this is a great doco. The Shared delusional Fear. Sounds very probable.
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Onli 6:58 in to the video but I must say, I really don't think that picure of Gary Mathias do him justice.
I think Joe threw out a red herring. I can see people with leaning differences not following 'logical' options and I think You're right about the shared fear. They probably couldn't work the heaters and there's a lot of reasons they wouldn't light a fire, like great of it burning down the cabin.
I have watched all the videos of the yuba county five i believe the men got lost took a wrong turn and ended up on the mountain and died from the elements they were so innocent may they rest in peace ❤ thank you for the video it is very good ilike the pictures and photos you have added in x excellent 👍
Throw away all things that isn't weird behavior. They went normally as planned, making it to the game and enjoyed IT. Then normally leaving and stopping at that Market to buy junk food, candy bars, cartons of milk and pepsis and moon pies.
Then..... weird stuff, a red pickup truck and one of the men talking on a phone outside that he couldn't operate, then leaving and going home down the highway then taking a wrong turn off to Orroville and apparently up into the Las Plumas national forest in the middle of the night...towards the end.
The only witness Joseph schons, in the middle of the same night going to check, at night, his cabin and the snow line up there.
later on Joe had a apparent heart attack and spotted them and asks for help which all did not help him. He gets back in car and stays warm until gas runs out, then Joseph gets out and walks 8 or 9 miles back down the hill to some help that took him to the hospital. Then..........
Vanished without a trace... months later, all were found deceased in different places. All except one.
You know what I think..?.. I think it was Joeseph who is the one they met earlier and led them behind him following him as they drove behind him slowly and then drove to that spot together and then Joe stops and the boys stopped behind him.
It's funny in a weird way that they all arrived around the same time in the same area. They all drive slowly on the same night together. He took all 5 guys to the cabin he knew about and then he left and made up the whole story to cover his ass.
Joe was heard later saying: "I should have done this two years ago".
They all, both parties, arrive at or around the same time on the same night together. What a coincidence. and neither party wouldn't have normally went, during cold times, especially on the same night. Something is so fishy.
What are the odds that both parties ended up at the same places at the same time frame on the same night is just outta sight. Joseph Schones story needs reexamination as his story has criminalization in the time frame.
33:11 "his tennis shoes were found inside the forest service trailer and only four sets of footprints were uncovered at the scene." What is meant by "scene" here? Is it the area around the service trailer or do they mean the entirety of the walked path?
Since they were 5 people and it will be very hard to be intimidated,I think someone took over their thinking and judging.
This has been my area for close to half a century. I always think of these boys or young men. A scared delusion would be like the "Monkey Man" mass hysteria being the cause. If it could do that to a country. Then 5 young men wouldn't take much. Do too their cognitive issues. My local group has been pondering this for a week now. I just sent this over. Take the psychology of each individual to where and how they died. I think that would help clear out the oddities & a crazed killer. Thank you for sharing this 😊👍👍
It would be, honestly, very difficult to convince all 5 of one delusion. Especially those with intellectual disabilities who want to always stick to routine and never deviate from it like the five. I don't buy that theory at all.
This case has been covered to death by now.
That being said, YOU KNOW IM GONNA CLICK FOR THE BOYSSSSS
I've heard 3 or 4 accounts of this but I don't think Paulides ever covered it?
This case is interesting. I read about a theory that a couple of known local “bullies” attacked the group, and perhaps even killed a member of the 5. They then threatened the remaining 4, and scared them so badly that they decided to travel up the country road up towards the cabin. And were scared enough to never return, and even starve. Scary. Scary thought
I’ve heard the theory you are talking about. Some of the boys families seem to put some stock in it. Supposedly Gary was killed by some guys and his body dumped into the Oroville lake/dam. Doesn’t make sense though as his sneakers were found in the trailer. Seems to disprove the theory.
They were mentally challenged so not thinking of looking for supplies to build a fire makes sense. Especially when you consider how fear affects the average person.
36 year around the mentally handicapped. imagine not having concept of time, so to say in a minute means nothing, not thinking about a fire burning your house down later, i can see him saying what he said as well. imagine not think about hurting someone because u don't feel it. it gets deep.
So sad.
Ok. Who ate from the cans of food? You said there was 80 empty cans? They are maybe 3 to 4 weeks? Then they didn’t want to leave the trailer so they starved because they had two months more with no food? I’m confused
The drunk guy lying and changing his story is the only one that knows what happened.
My theory is he got violent on them they ran of fear and he thought nothing of it but then they went missing knowing it was his fault and he lied to cover his ass Some and felt so bad amongst himself he went a bit crazy
Would have loved to know your sources..
Love it yet this story not an hour video as I saw the great Netflix doc and it had so many things not in it and from BedTime stories and MrBallen theirs so much more I didnt know about it. Needs to be a six part documentary as their so much info on this mystery. Gary facts here wasnt even told on other RUclipsrs. Love it. I only believe half of your theory yet maybe if Joe showed up and they rolled the window and that was enough for them to believe the hallucination as true. It deosnt work if its all in their minds as its five people and they showed no problem's before.
Hard to believe they never searched that csbin.
Youd figure that forest rangers or deputies would have known it was there,and looked.
It was 20 miles away. 😎✌🏻
@daveatkins3568 But,if those boys made it there, wandering aimlessly,
A forest ranger should've searched at some point.
I believe there is a lot of shame that should be put on the rangers and deputies. From family statements and other stories I've heard, I believe that once they knew these boys were mentally handicapped, they felt there was just no way they could make the trailers. As a result they never bothered to search them. In the beginning the rangers and police didn't even want to consider them missing. From what I read, sadly one of the boy's father even came there and did his own search and found his son's body.
@@daveatkins3568 The trailers were actually only about 5 miles away as the crow flies from the Montego. This video got a lot of info very wrong.
Is it me or is it a recurring thing that missing hiker groups that become disappearance mysteries have some type mentality issues?
Hey Adam why did you change the name of your show?
It also could be called "WHOS AFRAID OF NASTY JOE". I think the group Paranoia therory i acurate, exacerbated by the problems Gary had. But we shouldnt leave Joe out of the picture
Maybe nasty Joe followed them, both vehicles got stuck and Joe came to their car while Gary tried to push it - then they fleed. Tragicly 3 of them died in the first night, Ted and Gary found the sheeds and were stucked there. I am not sure if Gary could stay healthy with his medication to be honest
The drunk driver guy probably road rage chased them up that hill before he had that heart attack. Scared the crap out of the boys.
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His car was found in front of theirs and with the snow there was no way to pass them.
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The open car window kida gives me he ideathat they opened it so they could either lok back or talkj to someone. The wheelspin was upwards,, the car not stuck. I think someone chased them up there. You cn see they drove fast and maybe did not think they could make the turn
I think they were being chased, got stuck and didnt have enough time to get the car un stuck. The drivers window was open. Seems to me someone came to the window, jack rolled it down and whoever it was told the boys to get out. Most likely at gunpoint.
Did you see the new(ish) Netflix episode on this? Seems to have some different angles.
The Netflix episode and this video both had a lot of misinformation, sadly.
Got mi shaft stuck
Gary may have had an episode and convinced the others, them being less confident socially/verbally, to flee into the woods.
How could he do that? I'm genuinely curious. What schizophrenic symptom can enable Gary do manipulate 4 men to go against their fears of the dark and of the cold to go into the woods?
heart attack guy did it
So basically another Dyatlov Pass Incident?
Very similar. It has been called "America's Dyatlov Pass Incident".
Here's an observation I will relate concerning this case. One or more of these boys had autism. As families with autism will tell you, it is a unique condition that doesn't seem to make sense at times. Here, in Virginia, in Oct. 2011 the Wood family went hiking with their two young children. At some point, Robbie, their autistic 10-year old, bolted into the forest and disappeared. The frantic family searched high and low but could not find him. Police were involved and could not locate him either. Days went by and the search expanded with hundreds of volunteers. Still no luck. Police were even considering the parents as suspects. Autism affects the mind in unusual ways. One of which is fear. Loud noise, strangers and even being approached sets off panic attacks. Six days after he went missing, Robbie Wood Jr. was found, curled up on the forest floor just outside the search area. He was in good shape and had eluded a huge manhunt for almost a week. You see, normally we assume that someone would want to be found. Searchers look for victims who would run toward them, not away from them. Autism doesn't play by those rules. The Yuba 5 may have evaded the searchers. Local police may not have known about these affects and assumed the boys would rush toward them. It offers one possibility that I haven't seen mentioned yet.
Would Jack really have approved of they littering in his car?
They were prob hanging out goofing around and it was dark he prob didnt notice as much at the time
Where Is this accent from?
I'm curious. (French girl here)
So I like to learn about your language and its different accents
Did you ever hear about the town bully theory?