I love the scene in Man of Steel when Clark is younger and he gets overstimulated by his super hearing. It's so sweet the way it shows how much he loves his mom and that depiction of how a kid would react to something like that is great
@@NandovMovies definitely agree about Clark and Martha's scenes Exactly like it is in the comics Clark has always been the most vulnerable with his mom out of everyone who knew his true Kryptonian origins
I have personally maintained, ever since I saw it in theaters, that the opening scene of Batman V superman is an solid intro to the character of Bruce Wayne and thoroughly demonstrates why he would completely abhor Superman in that moment.
I also maintain that Batman killing people was appropriate for the film. This was a Bruce Wayne close to completely losing it, one step away from old Bruce Wayne from The Dark Knight Returns. He was completely downtrodden and had decided to stop playing by the rules. It’s established that him branding people was not how he’d previously operated and was bad. And at the end, him not branding Lex symbolised that he was back, that his no killing rule was back, and that he was a paragon once more. Still don’t much like the film, but Batfleck was great.
Julie Andrews actually turned down a cameo in Poppins because she (rightfully) thought it would steal the younger actors' thunder. You can tell that balloon saleswoman role at the very end was written with her in mind....
It's heartbreaking because in hindsight if they just took their time and was more patient, the stuff they were making had legs and could go on for so much more
Aquaman was the last movie I saw in theaters before the pandemic. I remember my friend and I have really low expectations but knowing we were probably going to have fun. The movie cut to Atlantis and that theme in the score dropped our jaws dropped and people in the theater were gasping and whispering about it. It was fun, goofy, gorgeous, action packed, and sincere. There's just something so sincere about Aquaman in every scene. It wasn't trying to be the deepest or the greatest, I didn't need to be. It just felt like the movie was itself and that's all it kind of needed to be.
Aquaman was an amazingly fun movie. It still stands out as one of the best in their entire slate to me with how imaginative and off the wall it is. Somehow a mix of Indiana Jones, Star Wars, Lovecraft and Super Heroes that just works.
I just want to say that the Enchantress transformation scene in the conference room in Suicide Squad is one of the most badass moments in the DCEU (along with the Karathen scene in Aquaman). Visually it's just really cool to look at, and I think really sets the tone for the character. It's just too bad that she's pretty goofy in subsequent scenes in the movie.
That was the big omission from Nando’s praise of the movie. That was an amazing visual (which unfortunately was undermined the rest of the movie by bad performance, writing, and visuals for what started out looking like we could have a truly memorable villain).
24:32 Funny you mention this because 1) I believe Jason Momoa said he pitched Lobo to Zach Snyder for his role before auditioning for Aquaman, and 2) It's all but officially confirmed that he's going to play Lobo in Gunn's DCU
Fun Fact: For Suicide Squad, the majority of the cast and crew got the tattoo "SKWAD" in honor of this film. The tattoos were even applied by some of the cast members, Margot Robbie and Will Smith.
You can simultaneously play the big fight scene from MoS of superman vs zod with the intro of that same fight in bvs where you see it from Bruce's and the others pov and they line up PERFECTLY.
Ben Affleck is actually my favorite live action portrayal of batman, he just unfortunately got stuck with a messy script. But he has the look of Bruce Wayne and the voice modulator when he wears the costume is way more intimidating than what they tried to do with Bale. I wish he got a solo movie.
Yeah people talk a lot about his fight scenes in that. But to me one of the most classically "Batman" scenes on film was when he was at the underground boxing match as Bruce and he whispered something into the losing fighters ear and then he started winning. Afflecks beefy grinning Bruce (with danger right under the surface) was perfect.
I'll always defend Man of Steel. I loved it since I first saw it in theaters and thought it was a bold and fascinating take on Superman with perfect casting.
I said it before a couple of years ago, but I stand by it. If Mark Strong had been cast as Lex Luthor and Jessie Eisenberg had been cast as Doctor Sivana, but they'd kept the energies of the characters they'd actually played, it would have been an improvement.
That scene just before the No Man's Land fight, is one of the few scenes in any films that always make me cry. There was something about it that just got to me the first time and it worked so well.
*Henry Cavill* when he talked about Superman always spoke like he’d rather be playing another version than the character he was playing… do you can’t get mad at Gunn - when Snyder and WB wasted him when they had him 🤷🏾♂️
Flight actually does come back when Superman stops Steppenwolf’s axe, and his main theme is persistent throughout the trilogy. Just wished they would’ve used the theme in his cameo appearances like Black Adam and Shazam
The Flash movie's failures to get off the ground killed the DCEU once and it killed it again when it finally came out. The problem was always that there was no shared vision, and you cant base a shared universe franchise in a doomed timeline you already intend to fix with Flashpoint
I felt the same way, but after some digging, evidence has shown that the final version Suicide Squad was tampered with from the intended version. I hope one day the Aryer cut will get the light of day after the fact.
James Wann's Aquaman blew me away because that town action set piece was BRIGHT in an interesting way (not just 'MCU bright grey)! The colours POPPED and the action was Kingsman-esque interesting and engaging like you said. I didn't even think about the plot because I was so blown away by the visuals. I want James Wann to direct an Uncharted film
Im not a snyder fan but.. To be fair, he was hired at the start to have his trilogy on Superman in Dark knight style. They already worked alot with him so they knew his style
Honestly, the DCEU actually had a lot of potential and some pretty exciting ideas, especially when they started with Man of Steel, a reasonably solid start to this universe that told a different type of Superman movie that had a more grounded and grittier take on Superman which admittedly isn't my favourite take on the character. However, it's still a genuinely well-made movie with a great cast, especially for Superman and Zod and a fantastic score by Hans Zimmer that took a risk with a character and chose to do something unique and unconventional. However, the WB studio's greed, intervention and desperation to catch up with Marvel at the time severally killed this universe before it had a chance. Witnessing a studio shoot themselves in the foot countless times is surreal. I genuinely cannot wait to see what James Gunn has planned for the rebooted DCU going forward and how he'll hopefully fix what WB broke multiple times, especially with what he has planned for Superman and countless other DC characters in the future, which gives me a lot of hope for the franchise again.
I think the thing that make's Man of Steel's fight scenes feel so visceral is the camera work. It goes beyond shaky cam, its got this constant bit of motion blur, and most importantly, refocusing, that makes it feel like an actual camera man is having a hard time keeping up with the action. It's an effect that's a bit overused throughout that movie, but during the fight scenes in particular, it works really well.
The one thing Josstice League did better was Cyborgs introduction and that is because of this exchange with his father: “You’re afraid they’ll see the monster” “You’re not a monster.” “It’s weird you thought I meant me.”
It wouldn't have worked very well but i would've liked if diane said "No man can cross. But perhaps men can cross" to go for a more unified approach But i much prefer silence over what could've been
It wasn't exactly aquaman to say the least, but my first impression of Momoa was way back from Stargate Atlantis, so it felt like a return to form for me xD
I will forever hold MoS, BvS and ZSJL close to my heart. I just hope people in the future stop being so ANGRY at these movies, now that they're basically a thing of the past and don't dictate what comes next for the future. It's like getting mad at X-men Origins: Wolverine nowadays, even tho Deadpool already got 2 movies, with one on the way where he's with Wolverine.
9:06 I'm forever sad the Synderverse never took off as it could have. As a Man of Steel evangelist, the opening scene of BvS was surreal in establishing their dynamic. When you see the lasers 360 cut the building from the inside 'from a punch' it's those 'little things' that made it so epic.
As a DC fan who tried his best to find things to like in each of these, I love this series a great deal. Even the burn of "Suicide Squad... this will be quick."
For me, the single biggest thing I liked about Josstice League is that we finally got a Superman that felt like the character I know. Not the super-serious Man of Steel angsting over whether he has a place in this world, nor the BvS angsting over whether he has a place in this world, but the friendly, slightly dorky, Kansas farm-boy who stops and chats to kids - who makes time to rescue cats from trees - the guy who's willing to sit for hours on a ledge with someone who's thinking about committing suicide and just let them work through whether to jump or not. For all its flaws, the movie gives us the character that invented the superhero genre, rather than a dark, gritty, angsty "hero".
Snyder should have been given another character to put on the big screen like Deathstroke or another dark gritty hero instead of Batman to better suit his style of film making. Superman was a bad choice to start your gritty/dark superhero story; especially with Snyder at the helm.
I'm glad that someone can have something nice to say about so-called Josstice League, it's old and tired that the theatrical Justice League is constantly used as a punching bag either because they don't like Joss Whedon or simply because it's not Zack Snyder directing.
Tell me you haven't read the comics without telling me. Superman has on occasion gone through depressive phases in the comics where he questions his place in the world.
14:34 I honestly think that’s why I like Viola’s performance so much. She perfectly captures the essence of the JLU version while not being a straight up imitation
Hah, wow, you were a lot more charitable towards Kevin Costners Pa Kent than I would've. I violently disagree with a lot of things said and done with- and around Snyders Superman, but having Pa misinterpret a conversation with a woman who's child Clark saved, and then go "maybe drowning a schoolbus of children had been preferable" is maybe the worst thing for me. Pretty great video besides. I kinda wanna do a DCEU Marathon before Superman next year.
I took my dad to see Man of Steel at the theater. If I'm not mistaken, that was Father's Day weekend. We both walked out of the theater feeling like what we saw was not Superman. It was dark, brooding, more focused on action than character... This was a Clark Kent that I could not believe grew up on a farm in Kansas. The color palette was cold, there wasn't much life in the characters... It was awful.
I had the complete opposite reaction. Great modernization of the character. Kal-El choosing Humans over his own people was great. This version was more inspiring than any other on-screen portrayal. This is the only film where Superman felt like the underdog.
@@tristandevlin6667”Kal-El choosing humans over his own people was great.” That right there is where the problem lies. Krypton is not his people. Superman’s people…IS humanity. He was raised here by human parents, went to school with human people, got jobs with human people, speaks a human language, etc. All he’s ever known is Humanity. Krypton is not his world because he was born there.
@@wesstewart2677They are his people tho. Yes he loves humanity, but at the end of the day he is kryptonian. Throughout the entire movie he felt different from everyone else. And he wanted to know who he was and where he was from. That’s what makes Superman in this movie even better. He didn’t give up on finding out where he’s from. Despite the frustration and confusion within him HE KEPT GOING. He found out where he was from. And what makes it even better is that even when he found out where he’s from,m and who his father is, HE STILL CHOOSES EARTH AND DEFENDS EARTH. That is my Superman. A Superman who goes through different challenges and overcomes them and shows us how to be the best version of ourselves DESPITE the hardships we face.
@@wesstewart2677They are his people. No amount of time raised on earth is going to erase the fact that he IS Kryptonian. The reason you didn't like Man of Steel is because you had a misunderstanding of the character and came in with the wrong expectations.
In defense of Aquaman’s casting: Representation. Namor and Aquaman are two higher profile characters that could solve a representation problem and be made more grounded and interesting without breaking them by drawing a connection to Polynesian culture and peoples. I believe that was part of the reason Momoa was chosen, even though they failed to really follow up on that in his solos.
@@uhwaykin Money, social mechanics, and power plays can make my opinion count for a lot. It is in your best interest not to dismiss opinions different from your own. That's the easiest way for morons like Trump to get power, by appealing to those who don't feel listened to. Nothing has ever been improved by silence.
@@Arcin00 Exactly. Jason Mamoa has a lot of charm, but his Aquaman isn't comic accurate at all. DCEU Aquaman is Jason Mamoa if he had the same origin and powers as Aquaman.
BvSDoJ showed juust a taste of Batman actually being a detective. If they had expanded this into a whole movie with Diana being a mystery through it and explaining some of why Lex Luthor did what he did it would have really helped. Stuffing this with the other eight plotlines in one movie didn't work.
Aquaman has one of my favourite moments in Cinematic history.. when he shoulder barges the falling Bell rather than grabbing the little girl and most likely snapping her neck as he does. Other superheroes must have a tone of whiplash claims against them.
I made a video on the first and last lines of every DC film and you can see the change in tones over the course of the DCEU from serious to dark to light.
i'm not a big fan of Aquaman, largely because of the plot/casting of Momoa, but it's so visually beautiful and so colorful/flashy in a way that made it feel like a comic book movie instead of an action movie with super heroes. that's another reason i love the Marvels, i like when comic book movies look like comics
Margot Robbie and Viola Davis doing picture-perfect-performances in their roles in The Suicide Squad does not retroactively make the all-over-the-place-accent and literal phoning-it-in performances in Suicide Squad any better. I have never understood the take that those two were the best part of that garbage fire, they were burning right along side Katana.
Oh I didn’t realize that this was a part 1 and I was confused lol. Also I think something worth mentioning is that Aquaman 1 & 2 might’ve had the best main hero and main villain costume combo ever, at least off the top of my head. Aquaman’s suit looks amazing, and Manta’s suit in Aquaman 2 is beautiful as well.
The fact that 10 years of this universe and we never got a green lantern.... We got a peacemaker show and blue beetle movie (coming from a huge jamie fan) before a green lantern (some of the most important characters in the dc universe because they are space cops) ever showed up smh. The DCEU really was a complete mess. Theres so many more characters missing but yall know that already
@@bignate5368Superman and Batman have had many, many commercially successful movies, which demonstrate to the studio that they are worth taking another chance on, even if they've had a few bad takes. Wonder Woman had never had a feature film before. Aquaman had never had a feature film before. I can't think of any other JL members who got their on film.
Not a save the Snyder verse guy but I’ll never stop loving the Snyder trilogy. Still super hype for the DCU. I’m glad we got these 3 movies before we go onto a more classic adaptation. We’ll never see movies like this again with these characters in stories like this again whether you’re a fan of them or not.
It will ALWAYS be hilarious how people cry about Doomsday in Barman v Superman going by how he looked at the end of Death of Superman, hilariously ignoring that the story started with the character looking like a mogoloid wrapped in trashbags wearing welding goggles
The problem is Doomsday was created with one goal. To fight Superman to the death so DC could boost sales. The Death of Supes was always kind of overrated. An attempt to make Superman relevant in the 90s but very little depth beyond that.
2:28 "It's everything I like about the Man of Steel suit with bolder colors" The Black Adam suit is literally the Man of Steel suit with bolder colors.
It's almost SHOCKING how huge Wonder Woman (2017) was...and it's cultural impact was almost completely diminished by 1984 being terrible, and much of Gal's public image. I fear we won't get another WW film until 2031 :(
One of my favorite parts of suicide squad was Diablo. He just gave some serious tone to an otherwise silly movie. Also one of the only characters with an actual character arc
Compelling defense. And honestly, I agree with Ben Affleck. This was the first time I went "This man is Batdad." But I'm biased when it comes to the Bat family. Can't wait for Pattinson to go to the circus and come home with an orphan kid.
The thing is Pattinson still looks pretty young and so him being the ward of an orphan would look like some guy and his younger brother. He should get robin in his 3rd movie
This actually convinced me to check out Aquaman. I was never really a big fan of Momoa's take on the character but he's likeable in some places. Kinda wish they tried to make him more accurate but then maybe he'd be too similar to like Superman or something.
While the movies were up and down, the scores to the early DCEU were great. Hans Zimmer' Man of Steel, the dual composers of Zimmer/JunkieXL in BvS were memorable . Even Steven Price's Suicide Squad score was not super distinct yet I still like it
Ive said it before and I'll say it again. I would have been fully behind bvs if they took the opportunity to ground the fight between the two characters snd their inevitable allyship in something in the world. Like, im no screen writer but if, "save Martha," had been, "you have to save my mom" or, "i have to save my mom," it would have made it 20x more believable. That moment where batman realizes superman is a person is so important to the story they were telling. I also think they could have done a better job showing that dichotomy, because in the images where huddled masses reach out to touch him he feels very distant. He is supposed to be kinda distant, right like, "this worship isnt what i wanted." But then he goes and hangs out with lois and he's more alien than ever. Standing in a bathtub with 500$ loafers on whats that? Thats when we needed to hear his humanity and see his humility, and it just doesnt track. its like 90% of the way there and if it had gotten that bit i dont think jesse eisenberg would have been a problem. Yeah thats a weird luthor, but if you make a weird hatable billionaire i think we can figure out how to hate him in the movie instead of taking us out of it.
It's so interesting to see that lex luthors meltdown in 2016 is what we have now with Musk in 2024. Not that cringe but still funny that at that time billionaires were well put together
Of the Snyder era, the Snyder cut is my absolute favorite. BVS is a very close second. I just loved the cinematography and the tone of those films. Of the newer post Snyder era, Aquaman is my favorite because it’s so weird and different but the colors are vibrant, the music is awesome, the action is intense and it’s just a stunning film overall
I pretty much agree with everything you say in the video, really where we disagree is that I enjoyed Suicide Squad, but I agree Gunn's Suicide Squad is much better. You're mention of James Wan doing more in the superhero space is interesting, I've seen a lot of his horror work and their respective franchises as well as both Aquaman movies and some movies he's involved in only as a producer and such (and I've enjoyed all of them), and I agree, he would be excellent in the superhero genre. I feel he'd be able to pull off a lot of the darker stories and characters that the studios have failed with previously, like your suggestions of Spider-Man and X-Men, I think he would do an excellent movie with some of the darker villains like Kraven or Venom (and actually make them villains like many want to see) or darker stories like Age of Apocalypse or Dark Phoenix, and the suggestion of Batman and Swamp Thing on the DC side of things is excellent as well, many dark and horror stories involving both those characters. I wouldn't be surprised if in the next couple years or so we hear about him getting signed to do more superhero stuff.
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I love the scene in Man of Steel when Clark is younger and he gets overstimulated by his super hearing. It's so sweet the way it shows how much he loves his mom and that depiction of how a kid would react to something like that is great
That's something I'll always love zack for and showing that it hurts Clark to use heat vision
That scene makes me cry whenever I watch it. It reminds me of when I was a kid with undiagnosed autism and how overstimulating the world seemed
@@tomlinson1710 I feel that so much :')
The insane action and beautiful vibrant colors of Aquaman make it clear to me that James Wan needs to direct a Green Lantern movie.
I totally agree
That Zod line “Where did you train? On a farm?!” Always gives me chills.
The short lighthouse fight immediately sold me on Aquaman, James Wan is the best at making superpowers feel kinetic but grounded.
Yeah that fight was great!
@@NandovMovies definitely agree about Clark and Martha's scenes
Exactly like it is in the comics
Clark has always been the most vulnerable with his mom out of everyone who knew his true Kryptonian origins
Best line of the whole DCEU "this is Katana, she's got my back."
Best line "Kal El Noooo"
Best line has to be "What are we some kinda Suicide Squad".
Rick Flag with Katana- 😁
Rick Flag without Katana- 💀
M A R T H A
They spend the first third of the movie on elaborate character introductions and they tack this on in the helicopter like they forgot
Karen Fukuhara's Katana was one of my favourite things in the entire DCEU and it's tragic that she never got to come back.
I have personally maintained, ever since I saw it in theaters, that the opening scene of Batman V superman is an solid intro to the character of Bruce Wayne and thoroughly demonstrates why he would completely abhor Superman in that moment.
I also maintain that Batman killing people was appropriate for the film. This was a Bruce Wayne close to completely losing it, one step away from old Bruce Wayne from The Dark Knight Returns. He was completely downtrodden and had decided to stop playing by the rules. It’s established that him branding people was not how he’d previously operated and was bad. And at the end, him not branding Lex symbolised that he was back, that his no killing rule was back, and that he was a paragon once more.
Still don’t much like the film, but Batfleck was great.
Solid take. I never saw it from this perspective before.@@intergalactic92
I fully back both of you
Julie Andrews actually turned down a cameo in Poppins because she (rightfully) thought it would steal the younger actors' thunder. You can tell that balloon saleswoman role at the very end was written with her in mind....
It's heartbreaking because in hindsight if they just took their time and was more patient, the stuff they were making had legs and could go on for so much more
Aquaman was the last movie I saw in theaters before the pandemic. I remember my friend and I have really low expectations but knowing we were probably going to have fun. The movie cut to Atlantis and that theme in the score dropped our jaws dropped and people in the theater were gasping and whispering about it. It was fun, goofy, gorgeous, action packed, and sincere. There's just something so sincere about Aquaman in every scene. It wasn't trying to be the deepest or the greatest, I didn't need to be. It just felt like the movie was itself and that's all it kind of needed to be.
Aquaman was an amazingly fun movie. It still stands out as one of the best in their entire slate to me with how imaginative and off the wall it is. Somehow a mix of Indiana Jones, Star Wars, Lovecraft and Super Heroes that just works.
I felt that way walking out of the theater, but years later I find both it and WW to be pretty mid.
I just love how unapologetic it is about the fact it’s a comic book movie. It’s camp and ridiculous, but it knows it, and that’s the fun part.
I just want to say that the Enchantress transformation scene in the conference room in Suicide Squad is one of the most badass moments in the DCEU (along with the Karathen scene in Aquaman). Visually it's just really cool to look at, and I think really sets the tone for the character. It's just too bad that she's pretty goofy in subsequent scenes in the movie.
Yeah that demonic hand coming up and twisting as she transforms still gives me goosebumps
@@mtanve2319 yeah! It's so cool!
Enchanteresse & incubus should have been reserved for a justice league dark or shadow pact movie
That was the big omission from Nando’s praise of the movie. That was an amazing visual (which unfortunately was undermined the rest of the movie by bad performance, writing, and visuals for what started out looking like we could have a truly memorable villain).
24:32 Funny you mention this because 1) I believe Jason Momoa said he pitched Lobo to Zach Snyder for his role before auditioning for Aquaman, and 2) It's all but officially confirmed that he's going to play Lobo in Gunn's DCU
I hope so on that 2nd point, he's perfect!
@@El-Burrito I thought this Lobo was pretty cool:
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Fun Fact: For Suicide Squad, the majority of the cast and crew got the tattoo "SKWAD" in honor of this film. The tattoos were even applied by some of the cast members, Margot Robbie and Will Smith.
Who did D a m a g e d?
That is depressing lol
I bet they all regret that tatoo lol
I find it hilarious that we had two separate teases of Superman vs Black Adam in the same year and nothing happened
You can simultaneously play the big fight scene from MoS of superman vs zod with the intro of that same fight in bvs where you see it from Bruce's and the others pov and they line up PERFECTLY.
"And let's get started with..." Green Lantern. "... Man of Steel."
That was what WB thought, too... eventually.
Deadpool already killed that timeline
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@@holycowthatsoutofthisworld3831 have you watched Deadpool 2? You'd understand why I said what I said
@@holycowthatsoutofthisworld3831 in Deadpool 2, Deadpool goes back in time and shoots Ryan in the head as he's holding the script to Green Lantern
Ben Affleck is actually my favorite live action portrayal of batman, he just unfortunately got stuck with a messy script. But he has the look of Bruce Wayne and the voice modulator when he wears the costume is way more intimidating than what they tried to do with Bale. I wish he got a solo movie.
Yeah people talk a lot about his fight scenes in that. But to me one of the most classically "Batman" scenes on film was when he was at the underground boxing match as Bruce and he whispered something into the losing fighters ear and then he started winning. Afflecks beefy grinning Bruce (with danger right under the surface) was perfect.
I'll always defend Man of Steel. I loved it since I first saw it in theaters and thought it was a bold and fascinating take on Superman with perfect casting.
No one likes the Man and Steel that way.
I still think a classic Luthor would've worked if he took Bruce's place in the intro to BvS. WOuld give him a legit reason to hate aliens.
I said it before a couple of years ago, but I stand by it. If Mark Strong had been cast as Lex Luthor and Jessie Eisenberg had been cast as Doctor Sivana, but they'd kept the energies of the characters they'd actually played, it would have been an improvement.
That scene just before the No Man's Land fight, is one of the few scenes in any films that always make me cry. There was something about it that just got to me the first time and it worked so well.
🤓someone unironically got emotional at this schlock
*Henry Cavill* when he talked about Superman always spoke like he’d rather be playing another version than the character he was playing… do you can’t get mad at Gunn - when Snyder and WB wasted him when they had him 🤷🏾♂️
Preach the truth
This is objectively false. Henry and Zack loved the character, gatekeepers are the only ones at fault. At least do your proper research...
@@davidcatalan9513 lol "gatekeepers". Ya'll can't even identify the real people in control of the situation up top.
@@davidcatalan9513 Zach hated the character and thought he knew how to write him better. He was wrong.
@@myoldhandlewasmadewheniwas9Lol no he didn’t? Stop trolling bruh.
Flight actually does come back when Superman stops Steppenwolf’s axe, and his main theme is persistent throughout the trilogy. Just wished they would’ve used the theme in his cameo appearances like Black Adam and Shazam
The Flash movie's failures to get off the ground killed the DCEU once and it killed it again when it finally came out. The problem was always that there was no shared vision, and you cant base a shared universe franchise in a doomed timeline you already intend to fix with Flashpoint
Aquaman felt like a video game and thats def not a bad thing
Calling Suicide Squad a stumble is like calling Chernobyl a minor accident
A lil' woopsie
Really not that bad
I enjoyed it
#ReleaseTheAyerCut
I felt the same way, but after some digging, evidence has shown that the final version Suicide Squad was tampered with from the intended version. I hope one day the Aryer cut will get the light of day after the fact.
James Wann's Aquaman blew me away because that town action set piece was BRIGHT in an interesting way (not just 'MCU bright grey)! The colours POPPED and the action was Kingsman-esque interesting and engaging like you said. I didn't even think about the plot because I was so blown away by the visuals. I want James Wann to direct an Uncharted film
Im not a snyder fan but.. To be fair, he was hired at the start to have his trilogy on Superman in Dark knight style.
They already worked alot with him so they knew his style
Imagine if they had made a Batman adaptation of "Death in the Family" before BvS.
Honestly, the DCEU actually had a lot of potential and some pretty exciting ideas, especially when they started with Man of Steel, a reasonably solid start to this universe that told a different type of Superman movie that had a more grounded and grittier take on Superman which admittedly isn't my favourite take on the character. However, it's still a genuinely well-made movie with a great cast, especially for Superman and Zod and a fantastic score by Hans Zimmer that took a risk with a character and chose to do something unique and unconventional. However, the WB studio's greed, intervention and desperation to catch up with Marvel at the time severally killed this universe before it had a chance. Witnessing a studio shoot themselves in the foot countless times is surreal. I genuinely cannot wait to see what James Gunn has planned for the rebooted DCU going forward and how he'll hopefully fix what WB broke multiple times, especially with what he has planned for Superman and countless other DC characters in the future, which gives me a lot of hope for the franchise again.
I think the thing that make's Man of Steel's fight scenes feel so visceral is the camera work. It goes beyond shaky cam, its got this constant bit of motion blur, and most importantly, refocusing, that makes it feel like an actual camera man is having a hard time keeping up with the action. It's an effect that's a bit overused throughout that movie, but during the fight scenes in particular, it works really well.
On Man of Steel, how do you not mention: "You Think You Can Threaten My Mother?"
The one thing Josstice League did better was Cyborgs introduction and that is because of this exchange with his father:
“You’re afraid they’ll see the monster”
“You’re not a monster.”
“It’s weird you thought I meant me.”
Everytime I see a new Nando video I’m like: “we’re so back!”
It wouldn't have worked very well but i would've liked if diane said "No man can cross. But perhaps men can cross" to go for a more unified approach
But i much prefer silence over what could've been
The men are brave line still hits me to this day
"did it deserve the oscar"
"......no"
i love nando
3:04 always happy to hear some Greenland praise
"But if I win, you're off the team," makes me smile so much every time I hear or think about it I almost cry.
I still want to see the original Ayer cut of Suicide Squad
It wasn't exactly aquaman to say the least, but my first impression of Momoa was way back from Stargate Atlantis, so it felt like a return to form for me xD
I feel like the phrase “say what you will about x” is doing a lot of heavy lifting in this video.
Still salty that Amy Adams wasn’t cast as Lana Lang and that Jimmy Olsen got killed off in BvS 😓
I will forever hold MoS, BvS and ZSJL close to my heart. I just hope people in the future stop being so ANGRY at these movies, now that they're basically a thing of the past and don't dictate what comes next for the future. It's like getting mad at X-men Origins: Wolverine nowadays, even tho Deadpool already got 2 movies, with one on the way where he's with Wolverine.
9:06 I'm forever sad the Synderverse never took off as it could have. As a Man of Steel evangelist, the opening scene of BvS was surreal in establishing their dynamic. When you see the lasers 360 cut the building from the inside 'from a punch' it's those 'little things' that made it so epic.
Snyderfans still blame everything on Woke. Meanwhile DCEU was anything BUT woke
I got a lot of love for Man of Steel especially that soundtrack, Hans Zimmer is such a phenomenal composer
Amy Adams carried MoS and BvS acting on her back. It's a shame they really didn't figure out a story for her- but I liked her Lois!
As a DC fan who tried his best to find things to like in each of these, I love this series a great deal.
Even the burn of "Suicide Squad... this will be quick."
Loved the DCEU, it was a fun ride
Tbh, i'm kinda glad Flight wasn't used after MOS. If it was, it could've been overused like the WW theme.
It was used in the Snyder cut
My brain still screams when I think about Batfleck.
I have never needed a video more in my life. This is exactly what i've been needing without knowing i needed it
For me, the single biggest thing I liked about Josstice League is that we finally got a Superman that felt like the character I know. Not the super-serious Man of Steel angsting over whether he has a place in this world, nor the BvS angsting over whether he has a place in this world, but the friendly, slightly dorky, Kansas farm-boy who stops and chats to kids - who makes time to rescue cats from trees - the guy who's willing to sit for hours on a ledge with someone who's thinking about committing suicide and just let them work through whether to jump or not. For all its flaws, the movie gives us the character that invented the superhero genre, rather than a dark, gritty, angsty "hero".
Snyder should have been given another character to put on the big screen like Deathstroke or another dark gritty hero instead of Batman to better suit his style of film making. Superman was a bad choice to start your gritty/dark superhero story; especially with Snyder at the helm.
I'm glad that someone can have something nice to say about so-called Josstice League, it's old and tired that the theatrical Justice League is constantly used as a punching bag either because they don't like Joss Whedon or simply because it's not Zack Snyder directing.
Tell me you haven't read the comics without telling me.
Superman has on occasion gone through depressive phases in the comics where he questions his place in the world.
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The josstice league is leagues above the snyder cut
14:34 I honestly think that’s why I like Viola’s performance so much. She perfectly captures the essence of the JLU version while not being a straight up imitation
Hah, wow, you were a lot more charitable towards Kevin Costners Pa Kent than I would've. I violently disagree with a lot of things said and done with- and around Snyders Superman, but having Pa misinterpret a conversation with a woman who's child Clark saved, and then go "maybe drowning a schoolbus of children had been preferable" is maybe the worst thing for me.
Pretty great video besides. I kinda wanna do a DCEU Marathon before Superman next year.
Ben affleck should come back in the Gunn verse as Thomas Wayne, I think he’d play a perfect one if given the chance
For all of 5 minutes
I highly doubt we'll get a Thomas Wayne in the DCU except maybe paintings
On Nando, you are so uncynical. I love it.
James Wan might be the secret ingredient to James Gunns new universe
I took my dad to see Man of Steel at the theater. If I'm not mistaken, that was Father's Day weekend.
We both walked out of the theater feeling like what we saw was not Superman.
It was dark, brooding, more focused on action than character... This was a Clark Kent that I could not believe grew up on a farm in Kansas.
The color palette was cold, there wasn't much life in the characters... It was awful.
I had the complete opposite reaction. Great modernization of the character. Kal-El choosing Humans over his own people was great. This version was more inspiring than any other on-screen portrayal. This is the only film where Superman felt like the underdog.
@@tristandevlin6667”Kal-El choosing humans over his own people was great.”
That right there is where the problem lies. Krypton is not his people.
Superman’s people…IS humanity. He was raised here by human parents, went to school with human people, got jobs with human people, speaks a human language, etc.
All he’s ever known is Humanity. Krypton is not his world because he was born there.
@@wesstewart2677THANK YOU!!! that guy doesnt get it.
@@wesstewart2677They are his people tho. Yes he loves humanity, but at the end of the day he is kryptonian.
Throughout the entire movie he felt different from everyone else. And he wanted to know who he was and where he was from. That’s what makes Superman in this movie even better.
He didn’t give up on finding out where he’s from. Despite the frustration and confusion within him HE KEPT GOING. He found out where he was from. And what makes it even better is that even when he found out where he’s from,m and who his father is, HE STILL CHOOSES EARTH AND DEFENDS EARTH. That is my Superman. A Superman who goes through different challenges and overcomes them and shows us how to be the best version of ourselves DESPITE the hardships we face.
@@wesstewart2677They are his people. No amount of time raised on earth is going to erase the fact that he IS Kryptonian. The reason you didn't like Man of Steel is because you had a misunderstanding of the character and came in with the wrong expectations.
In defense of Aquaman’s casting: Representation. Namor and Aquaman are two higher profile characters that could solve a representation problem and be made more grounded and interesting without breaking them by drawing a connection to Polynesian culture and peoples. I believe that was part of the reason Momoa was chosen, even though they failed to really follow up on that in his solos.
Representation is a non-reason.
@@Chameleonred5Luckily, your opinion counts for very little.
Sure you can change his race but Jason Mamoa still feels nothing like the actual character
@@uhwaykin Money, social mechanics, and power plays can make my opinion count for a lot. It is in your best interest not to dismiss opinions different from your own. That's the easiest way for morons like Trump to get power, by appealing to those who don't feel listened to.
Nothing has ever been improved by silence.
@@Arcin00 Exactly. Jason Mamoa has a lot of charm, but his Aquaman isn't comic accurate at all. DCEU Aquaman is Jason Mamoa if he had the same origin and powers as Aquaman.
man oh man the amount of warmth in my heart after watching wonder woman is something i’ll never forget.
I maintain that Watchmen's ending is better than that of the comics. The space squid thing is not great
BvSDoJ showed juust a taste of Batman actually being a detective. If they had expanded this into a whole movie with Diana being a mystery through it and explaining some of why Lex Luthor did what he did it would have really helped. Stuffing this with the other eight plotlines in one movie didn't work.
The DCEU will surely see a revival in a few years, Prequels style.
Patrick Wilson should have been cast as Arthur
Aquaman has one of my favourite moments in Cinematic history.. when he shoulder barges the falling Bell rather than grabbing the little girl and most likely snapping her neck as he does. Other superheroes must have a tone of whiplash claims against them.
I made a video on the first and last lines of every DC film and you can see the change in tones over the course of the DCEU from serious to dark to light.
i'm not a big fan of Aquaman, largely because of the plot/casting of Momoa, but it's so visually beautiful and so colorful/flashy in a way that made it feel like a comic book movie instead of an action movie with super heroes. that's another reason i love the Marvels, i like when comic book movies look like comics
We're back to 2012, the DCU has yet to start
Excellent breakdown of the whole thing!
this is a great trilogy of videos.
Margot Robbie and Viola Davis doing picture-perfect-performances in their roles in The Suicide Squad does not retroactively make the all-over-the-place-accent and literal phoning-it-in performances in Suicide Squad any better. I have never understood the take that those two were the best part of that garbage fire, they were burning right along side Katana.
what are you on about, that animated chicken movie is far more politically savvy then any Snyder movies
Animated Chicken movie? You mean Chicken Run?
Oh I didn’t realize that this was a part 1 and I was confused lol. Also I think something worth mentioning is that Aquaman 1 & 2 might’ve had the best main hero and main villain costume combo ever, at least off the top of my head. Aquaman’s suit looks amazing, and Manta’s suit in Aquaman 2 is beautiful as well.
You left out the best movie of all, the Nando cut of justice league
The fact that 10 years of this universe and we never got a green lantern.... We got a peacemaker show and blue beetle movie (coming from a huge jamie fan) before a green lantern (some of the most important characters in the dc universe because they are space cops) ever showed up smh. The DCEU really was a complete mess. Theres so many more characters missing but yall know that already
It's because the Ryan Reynolds GL movie really was That Bad and poisoned the well.
Hardly any Martian Manhunter either. He just talks to people in short scenes, and that's it.
@@StarryEyed0590 almost every justice league member has gotten a bad live-action adaptation yet they still get more love then green lantern
@@jlev1028 the fact that he was there the whole time and decided not to help once is crazy 😭
@@bignate5368Superman and Batman have had many, many commercially successful movies, which demonstrate to the studio that they are worth taking another chance on, even if they've had a few bad takes. Wonder Woman had never had a feature film before. Aquaman had never had a feature film before. I can't think of any other JL members who got their on film.
Not a save the Snyder verse guy but I’ll never stop loving the Snyder trilogy. Still super hype for the DCU. I’m glad we got these 3 movies before we go onto a more classic adaptation. We’ll never see movies like this again with these characters in stories like this again whether you’re a fan of them or not.
It will ALWAYS be hilarious how people cry about Doomsday in Barman v Superman going by how he looked at the end of Death of Superman, hilariously ignoring that the story started with the character looking like a mogoloid wrapped in trashbags wearing welding goggles
The problem is Doomsday was created with one goal. To fight Superman to the death so DC could boost sales. The Death of Supes was always kind of overrated. An attempt to make Superman relevant in the 90s but very little depth beyond that.
2:28 "It's everything I like about the Man of Steel suit with bolder colors"
The Black Adam suit is literally the Man of Steel suit with bolder colors.
Can’t wait for part 2!
It's almost SHOCKING how huge Wonder Woman (2017) was...and it's cultural impact was almost completely diminished by 1984 being terrible, and much of Gal's public image. I fear we won't get another WW film until 2031 :(
Jeremy Irons in Die Hard 3 *chef's kiss*😙
One of my favorite parts of suicide squad was Diablo. He just gave some serious tone to an otherwise silly movie. Also one of the only characters with an actual character arc
I loved the universe - zack snyders trilogy , wonderwoman - suicide squad !… BOP… fit perfectly together
14:38 my weird take is that I would combine CCH Pounders voice with Davis’s everything else to make the perfect Amanda Waller.
Batflecks BVS suit is my favourite to kick around Arkham Knight in. And I have alot of time for the BVS ultimate edition
Compelling defense. And honestly, I agree with Ben Affleck. This was the first time I went "This man is Batdad."
But I'm biased when it comes to the Bat family. Can't wait for Pattinson to go to the circus and come home with an orphan kid.
The thing is Pattinson still looks pretty young and so him being the ward of an orphan would look like some guy and his younger brother. He should get robin in his 3rd movie
@@mtanve2319 I can wait 😊
pattinson is middle aged af what are you on about@@mtanve2319
*ZOD:* _"You fight like a dairy farmer!"_
*SUPERMAN:* _"How appropriate. You fight like a cow!"_
This actually convinced me to check out Aquaman. I was never really a big fan of Momoa's take on the character but he's likeable in some places. Kinda wish they tried to make him more accurate but then maybe he'd be too similar to like Superman or something.
While the movies were up and down, the scores to the early DCEU were great. Hans Zimmer' Man of Steel, the dual composers of Zimmer/JunkieXL in BvS were memorable . Even Steven Price's Suicide Squad score was not super distinct yet I still like it
Nando we need a Flash family fancast
Great video & excited for this new series
LETS GOOO NEW NANDO SERIES
Ive said it before and I'll say it again. I would have been fully behind bvs if they took the opportunity to ground the fight between the two characters snd their inevitable allyship in something in the world. Like, im no screen writer but if, "save Martha," had been, "you have to save my mom" or, "i have to save my mom," it would have made it 20x more believable. That moment where batman realizes superman is a person is so important to the story they were telling.
I also think they could have done a better job showing that dichotomy, because in the images where huddled masses reach out to touch him he feels very distant. He is supposed to be kinda distant, right like, "this worship isnt what i wanted." But then he goes and hangs out with lois and he's more alien than ever. Standing in a bathtub with 500$ loafers on whats that? Thats when we needed to hear his humanity and see his humility, and it just doesnt track.
its like 90% of the way there and if it had gotten that bit i dont think jesse eisenberg would have been a problem. Yeah thats a weird luthor, but if you make a weird hatable billionaire i think we can figure out how to hate him in the movie instead of taking us out of it.
It's so interesting to see that lex luthors meltdown in 2016 is what we have now with Musk in 2024. Not that cringe but still funny that at that time billionaires were well put together
Can't wait to hear your thoughts on peacemaker
Of the Snyder era, the Snyder cut is my absolute favorite. BVS is a very close second. I just loved the cinematography and the tone of those films.
Of the newer post Snyder era, Aquaman is my favorite because it’s so weird and different but the colors are vibrant, the music is awesome, the action is intense and it’s just a stunning film overall
I pretty much agree with everything you say in the video, really where we disagree is that I enjoyed Suicide Squad, but I agree Gunn's Suicide Squad is much better.
You're mention of James Wan doing more in the superhero space is interesting, I've seen a lot of his horror work and their respective franchises as well as both Aquaman movies and some movies he's involved in only as a producer and such (and I've enjoyed all of them), and I agree, he would be excellent in the superhero genre. I feel he'd be able to pull off a lot of the darker stories and characters that the studios have failed with previously, like your suggestions of Spider-Man and X-Men, I think he would do an excellent movie with some of the darker villains like Kraven or Venom (and actually make them villains like many want to see) or darker stories like Age of Apocalypse or Dark Phoenix, and the suggestion of Batman and Swamp Thing on the DC side of things is excellent as well, many dark and horror stories involving both those characters. I wouldn't be surprised if in the next couple years or so we hear about him getting signed to do more superhero stuff.
I stand by the calling in of Plan B by Batman as the one change in Josstice League that makes sense. It shows that Batman had an active backup plan.
> While I don't think it's the best adaptation ever made, 300 may be the most visually faithful
Sin City: Do I mean nothing to you?