The deck of the Chinese carrier broke in half and collapsed. Don't believe anything you hear about Chinese engineering, it is all propaganda. They even paint brown countryside green with big spray trucks to look better for publicity shots. RECAP: This carrier broke in half (the deck at least), I have seen the footage after the sea trial which China has suppressed. All their claims are fake, they just make cheap copies of current tech.
The era of overcapacity for electromagnetic catapults has officially arrived. The Type 076 amphibious assault ship is officially equipped with an electromagnetic catapult and was launched yesterday.
@@AL-pv2bq Don't think that is necessarily the case. It does make sense if they're using it as a deterrent considering they're basically surrounded by many potential enemies (India, S. Korea, Japan, Taiwan, and the majority of SEA).
@@echadit Let's acknowledge the elephant, China wants to invade Taiwan. Right? Their official stance is that it is rightfully theirs and they won't disavow the use of lethal force to make it happen. The only reason they have not tried yet is because they think they would lose due to Taiwan having Japan and America to back them up.
I think it's quite funny that we're being told to believe 2 diametrically opposed perspectives, first that they're a danger to us, and second that they are weak and decades behind us.
People on RUclips might, the actual people in decision making positions do not in any way underestimate the opposition. You think anybody in this comment section has any relevance to?? 😅.
I don’t think RUclips commenters represent the ideals of the US government. The govt likely is not taking any chances with China’s recent advancements.
I love how all the Western xenophobes and jingoists are rushing in to dismiss Chinese progress. =) While most of you make valid points, this complacency is exactly what the Chinese need and love.
I don't think China really inspire to win battles against US. CCP just needs to prove that if engaging battles, it has sufficient capability to inflict enough deaths on the US side to change the American's' opinion to stop the war (as long as China doesn't initiate attack to US like Japan did to peal harbor.) I believe China knows it. China isn't like US which has an unrealistic goal to change the world to its liking.
The battlegroup is in the post but there's some problems with the WishDotCon order so they are using some ships from the bottom of Russian cornflake packets
They have Type 055 which is arguably the strongest destroyer in the world right now. But yes, they regularly train with a full service group out in the open seas.
@@VaioletteWestover Lol arguably because unlike American destroyers it's not definitive right? You can argue anything but you can't deny that we're still decades ahead despite your best efforts to rip off our designs and tech.
Exactly. The U.S. flexing its military might against poorly equipped fighters in sandals across the Middle East isn't a true test of power. The real challenge will come when they face a peer competitor like China.
Yes it does. Have you forgotten that in 1941, Germany and Japan had more combat experience than the US? The fact that war crimes committed doesn't negate the fact that Russia currently has more recent combat experience than NATO.
The Chinese are very good at building nuclear power systems. No doubt they could have done that in their carriers by now, if they wanted. And no doubt the will do so in a future generation of ships. I'm waiting for their first ship, or submarine, with a Thorium Molten Salt reactors. Rest assured that they have a well thought out plan for this.
state of the art and cutting edge? This thing is a TEMU USS Gerald Ford. It has diesel engines. The only impressive modern tech are the catapults and those really dont matter nearly as much in the grand scheme.
It will take another 15 -20 years of work to get this on par with a USA carrier, and about that much time to train the sailors. But you have to start somewhere and this is a good start
They already have aircraft carrier experience since the commissioning of their first two ships in the last decade . For the Chinese it only takes about 5 years for a ship to be combat ready including its sailors and pilots. The west has to stop underestimating these people. Just take a look of what they have done in last 10 years with the high speed rail network and Ev car market.
For the people saying "what about the carrier battle group" brother, they have those, THE THING they lack is simply experience, they dont join wars just for the sake of it so they dont have any battle experience operating carriers
battle experience ? What experience does US has? Fighting vs the Houthis? In this day of AI, Quantum communictions, drones etc , you want grandpas to fight a war? No lad, the way it is going no country in the world is anay match even close to fighting China. Tell us which weaponry US tech is ahead of China? ...almost none. Get out of your cocoon and start to innovate and dont waste money on wars.
Sorry. This is a lie. This POS takes 48 hours just to generate enough steam to leave port. Its planes are such garbage they can’t take off with full fuel and weapon loads. It needs multiple oilers to follow it around since it diesel electric. Easy targets for any first world navy. Worst of all, the generals in charge of it were arrested for scamming money out of the program by using cheaper steel. Dude. It’s a coral reef in first hour of a conflict.
Don’t underestimate Chinese intelligence. What they lack in experience they make up for in sheer brain power. They are very well versed in operations and well trained. Real world experience will come with the Taiwan situation sadly.
@@itinnyi -- NOPE. We love the Japanese, the South Koreans, the Taiwanese, and all other Asians *except* the country with the very worst track record in human rights, IP theft, and expansionist ambitions of the past 75 years; i.e., CHINA. Cope.
I would personally say it's not comparable between the Fujian and the R. Ford because China most likely wants the 003 to stay in the South China Sea along with the Liaoning, the Shandong, and the 004 which is most likely is also conventional engines since from what I heard it's the 003's sister ship. The nuclear carriers in the future will be used to travel further as far as Guam according to what I heard. When war breaks out and the nuclear carriers fighting on the frontlines, the 4 conventional engine carriers will most likely stay behind in the SCS to protect the coast because you can't leave yourself completely vulnerable if you send all of your armies to fight without any protection.
The last major carrier battle was fought at the Battle of Midway. Japan lost 4 carriers Akagi, Kaga, Soryu, and Hiryu to USA's 1 carrier USS Yorktown. Nobody had carrier battle experience ever since, unless if you count carrier "gunboat diplomacy" as such. All battles were fought using tactics and strategies from the last war, Midway was 82 years ago. That's how the British and French lost to the Wehrmacht's Biltzkrieg tactics, because they thought they could stop the Germans by digging trenches
Philippine Sea in 1944 was far bigger. The Japanese super carrier Tio was sunk by a single torpedo from an American sub. But they had half a dozen more carriers we had to deal with! Unfortunately for Japan the U.S. brought over a dozen aircraft carriers and our defensive firepower brought down hundreds of Japanese naval aviators in one day. But you can be excused for forgetting it. It is ignored by “History” for reasons that I can’t understand. It was basically the Battle of the Bulge of the Pacific, but sadly overshadowed by the Normandy campaign in Europe. There was a much more dangerous moment for the U.S. Navy late October 1942, the Battle of Santa Cruz, which nearly cost us the entire Guadalcanal campaign…
China's aerospace fighter: low-altitude flight, speed of Mach 8, payload of 60 tons, can carry nuclear warheads, high altitude, high speed, radar cannot detect, missiles cannot catch up
@@曾林-k7q On the aero fighter, there are some issues. Using the SR-71 as a basis, let's see what is possible and not possible. The SR-71 goes through a lot of fuel. After taking off, it needs to be refueled. For long distance missions, it is going to need to refueled again. China has a few aerial refuelers but is not well known for aerial refueling. Now for the speed part. China is well known to have poor jet engine performance. I find the ability to jump from the Mach 1 to Mach 2 range to Mach 8 range is highly unlikely. The slow down from Mach 8 would leave a signature of some sort easily to be picked up. Now, for my last item: The weapons and weapon system. China would have to developed a new class of weapons to handle the initial speed and aerodynamics from the aircraft. The weapon deployment system has to be able to deploy the weapon in such a way to not get sucked up into the weapons bay, drop the weapon that it does not cause any air disturbance, and have the capability of updating the weapon in midflight. The SR-71 has a bay door for the camera system but the ability to drop anything of the bay was not possible (but there was some talk about doing so). So, I have a very hard time believing that China developed a Mach 8 aircraft that can drop some sort of weapon.
If you mean the one that sank on the pier: That wasn´t the first nuclear submarine they build. They already build multiple classes of Nuke Subs. They are basically transitioning on a comparable speed to the US and Russia back when nuclear power became a thing.
You do realize that almost all modern radars are dual/ multi band radars. Phased array has to be in cause it’s a search radar with very specific wave guides
Welk, the Fujian isn't China's furst domestically built carruer. But is the first indigenously designed carrier The Shanding was the first 100% domestically built carrier based on a Russian design and tweaked
The trouble with carriers, and why they aren't really seen outside of the US navy at any scale that makes them practical tools for projecting power is the sheer scope of the logistics, technology, and training involved is prohibitive in the extreme. The US spends less on its military as a percentage of GDP than other nations, but our GDP is so much larger than other nations it allows us to do these things anyway. Even on a budgetary scale, we spend about 10-15% of our budget (depending on the year and the actual details of how it's spent - often defense spending ends up being used for other things) - that said: We still complain daily about how much we spend on the military. The common meme is that it's why we don't have universal healthcare, forgetting that more than half of the budget already goes to those kind of programs: Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, Obamacare, and other health care programs. The point is, even with all of our advantages, and current capabilities, it's likely we won't have any carriers in the decades to come as we move further down the road to returning to an isolationist society. So how likely is it that China will go full tilt? I'd argue they'll build at least three because that's how many you need to have an actual carrier always available and thus have a credible ability to project power, but beyond that? I doubt it. The costs associated with them and the capabilities they provide only make sense if you're looking to either rule the world or play peacemaker for the world. I don't think China honestly wants to do either. Regional superpower, sure, global superpower? I don't think it's really what they want. Economically sure, militarily? I just don't see them wanting to go that route as we've already shown the world the benefits don't really outweigh the costs on a practical level. China would have to have a pretty radical change in "cultural morality" to want to play policeman, and world domination? It's not really practical since the creation of nuclear weapons.
If the last few years showed us something is that the single power hegemony over the world is bad and leads to a lot of abuse. Like a chair, the world needs many legs to balance itself, 2 is okayish but more is better.even less powerful, other powers will have positive impact on the world peace. We are still in a transitional period though during which the old hegemon is not sharing power without a fight, it is the most dangerous period so far...
For those who don't know. In 2022, China accumulated 4 million IPs submitted to World Trade Center. Not only that China became the first country to surpass 3 million IPs. America's IP ownership is less than 3 million till now.
That's what everyone keeps saying, but it took them 7 years to build it. That's not exactly impressive since the Ford class for the USA is built in just 4-5 years.
@@AL-pv2bq Was that from the actual start of construction or the start of planning? I bet it took 20 years of arguing in Congress before the Ford was even a picture in someone's head. From a doodle on a napkin to a supercarrier in seven years would be VERY quick.
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When there's no worker safety, forced labor, and being able to pollute as much as you want, you could probably build a carrier in less than a year.
@@speedingoffence we aren't talking about prototyping or inventing tech, we are talking about large scale production of existing designs here. The Ford was designed to be built in as little as 3 years should the need arise, and that is per shipyard. I haven't read anything that suggests China could do it faster.
You know that China builds nuclear powered submarines? This type- 03 carrier is the testing design for future nuclear super carriers. China has the capability to make 2 carriers in a year. While the USA takes years to build just one carrier. In the next 10 years, China could have up to 5 super carriers Which will give China upper hand in the Asia Pacific region.
One key difference between Fujian and Ford is Fujian uses DC electric magnetic catapult and Ford uses AC based electric magnetic catapult. With endless large supply of electricity from nuclear engine Ford can operate catapult directly from power supply and Fujian uses battery to store electricity to power the DC catapult, kind is like how an EV operates. The advantages of DC is it’s more stable but way more complicated than AC to construct and maintain. BTW, Taiwan is only 100 mikes away from mainland, there is no need for carrier to invade 5:08 when the island is reachable by land based planes and even conventional rockets. Taiwan strait is a very shallow sea in between, too shallow for big submarine or carrier to pass without submarine protection.
lol , can the Kitty launch f-35 or any other next Gen planes ? You do realise out of the 11 Carriers the U.S has only 3 can accommodate modern fighters , so the U.S and China are basically equal with China's 3 carriers all capable of accommodating its latest planes, and why this is important is because they carry heavier pay loads, more fuel = greater striking distance!
@chinathesideyoudontsee8157 Do you not realize F-35 can be launched off a helicopter carrier like the Japanese Kaga? Kittyhawk (of the 1960's) had a slightly longer deck than the Fujian (1068' vs 1037'). Whatever catapult is fitted to a deck is decided by operational needs (type of aircrafts to be launched), and can be replaced/upgraded.
@@jims8828 While amphibious assault ships like the America-class and Wasp-class can launch the F-35B variant, which uses a short takeoff and vertical landing they give up distance and pay load . Like I said the U.S has 3 capable of launching the best version while USS Theodore Roosevelt (CVN-71) is likely to be modified as well.Not all U.S. aircraft carriers can be easily modified to launch F-35s, especially those without the necessary infrastructure for catapult-assisted takeoff (CATOBAR). The idea that the Kitty Hawk or any similar carrier is comparable or able to compete with the latest Chinese carriers is absurd .
@@chinathesideyoudontsee8157 While the helicopter carriers and amphibious assault ships can VTOL F-35B, the Fujian is not capable of launching any version of F-35. Period. Because China is not eligible for buying any F-35. All of the currently in service USN carriers can physically have their catapults replaced and upgraded to new catapults that can launch regular navy version of F-35's. Many of them won't simply because of budgetary and fleet planning reasons, e.g.: Enterprise is already retiring, most of the Nimitz class will be retiring before enough F-35 squadrons are trained to populate their decks, therefore they will most likely finishing the rest of their useful careers carrying their current squadrons of F/A-18's etc.. Meanwhile, during the same time period, the Chinese navy doesn't have either the squadrons of anything or any comparable hole in the water into which to throw money besides the Fujian, which is physically only comparable to KittyHawk and most likely would lose any fight against the KittyHawk with the F/A-18's that it had at the end of its career nearly two decades ago. "The latest Chinese carriers" consist of the Fujian, which is being built and is neither operational nor having its squadrons, plus two ancient Soviet style jump-decks (one of which literally a scrubbed and repainted Soviet rust bucket, and the other a domestic copy thereof); a "carrier fleet" that the Japanese Self-Defence force can take care of. If the KittyHawk were still around, its battle group can probably take care of all three of them.
@@chinathesideyoudontsee8157 All USN fleet carriers have had catapult-assisted take-off's since the ones built in the early 1950's. Catapult capacity has been chosen for operational needs. Catapults can be replaced and upgraded. All USN fleet carriers since the KittyHawk class have been larger than the Fujian. Some of the current 11 fleet carriers may not be upgraded to launch regular navy F-35's, but that has more to do with fleet planning: some like the Enterprise are already retiring; many of the Nimitz class don't have enough service years left in them before there are enough naval F-35 squadrons trained to populate their decks, so they will continue operating with the F/A-18 squadrons that they already carry; the VTOL F-35B squadrons can operate on existing Nimitz class without any upgrade. Chinese navy doesn't even have any aircraft comparable to the F-35. The Fujian is not even operational. The other two carriers they have are ancient Soviet style jump decks of near-zero combat value against any carrier of even the KittyHawk Class (a non-nuclear carrier much smaller than Enterprise, Nimitz or Ford classes) carrying its complement of F/A-18's, never mind the current USN carriers. In other words, if the KittyHawk were still around, its battle group alone would be able to take care of all 3 of "the latest Chinese carriers." Heck, even the Japanese Self-Defence Force fleet with their tiny carriers can take care of the entire "latest Chinese carriers."
@@keithmoore5306 not sure who is the delusional here. Their 6th gen just came out today and a EM catapult 076 amphib was just launched too. Their shipbuilding dwarfs US capability that can't even churn out a frigate now.
@@riflebird4842 - It's called HYPOCRISY. A few months ago, the host of this channel said Aircraft carriers were a waste of money in modern warfare. Now he's praising this new Aircraft carrier. This channel is a joke.
bUT iT's NoT nUClEaR!!!! Except the Fujian is just an in-between iteration - China is already building 3 nuclear powered carriers with the same displacement.
The 076 is in the water already? I'd thought it'd be still under construction for a couple more months. I still doubt they few 6-gen fighters off it though. For one thing, they don't have any 6-gen fighter yet. Binkov just released a video about a possible candidate 6-gen fighter from Chengdu, but that one is so gigantic, it doesn't look like even the USS Ford is big enough to launch it, nevermind the 076.🤣
@@danielch6662well, being able to operate in a carrier is not a requirement for being a 6th-gen fighters is it? Being honest, if those 6th-gen planes are really so stealth and fast as people think they'll be, probably they can afford to be gigantic bombers that happens to cary air-to-air missiles for shooting any fighter getting close...
US: has 11 aircraft carriers and 800 military bases worldwide to protect its money-printing machine. China: develop a blue-water navy to safeguard its international trade.
@@Adole123 it doesn't trust me china only knows how to copy not innovate have you noticed how it looks like the American's ship LOL also my buddy in China says the phones in china suck always crashing if china can't get that right you want me to believe they can with a ship LMAO
@@Adole123 dude, can'y you read or is it understanding the problem? I do not have to prove anything, it's people who wants to say that something is true that must prove their claims. If you want to say that this carrier has cutting-edge technologies you need to have evidence for your statement; I do not have to do the same cause I'm not making any statement. Can you prove that flying donkeys don't exist? No, you can't, cause it's impossible to prove that something don't exist. If you make a positive statement you have the burden of the proof, anything else would be logically impossible.
0:46 fuojam type 003 4:02 groundbreaking technology 7:25 toe to toe 9:10 the role of the fujian in China's military strategy 10:53 challenges and limitations 12:39 global naval dynamics
Hmmm. During my navy career, the last ship I served on was HMCS Athabaskan. 14:34 in the video. Kinda funny to see the bridge when the videos about a Chinese carrier
@@shinre Very good.. Thanks for asking.. And "if" we want to learn to shoot our own jet fighter, we'll come and ask you. But don't hold your breath bud 🤣🤣🤣
0:50 - Chapter 1 - Fujian type 003 2:30 - Mid roll ads 4:05 - Chapter 2 - Groundbreaking technology 7:25 - Chapter 3 - Toe to toe 9:15 - Chapter 4 - The role of the fujian in china's military strategy 10:55 - Chapter 5 - Challenges & limitations 12:40 - Chapter 6 - Global naval dynamics
After reading many comments, how can the Ford aircraft carrier be compared with the Fujian aircraft carrier? The Ford aircraft carrier has not yet reached the attack range of its carrier-based aircraft, and it has already been silent. The 055 is equipped with a carrier-based version of the DF-21
From the US. The first catapults were used in the US over a hundred years ago. It isn't new tech. Some people are just sore that China didn't spend 80 years working through all the outdated steam catapults we no longer want to use, but instead jump straight to EM cats. This cut the lead the US had from a hundred years down to just a couple of years. China is still behind, but they're damned close.
Personally I consider Fujian either a proof of concept (or several) or at best a prototype. I would consider it more the general equivalent of a Forrestal or even enlarged Midway rather than something that could go toe to toe with a Nimitz or Ford. The EMALS and the (presumably) electric propulsion system are likely only some of the things being tested and in due course EM, laser and railgun weaponry might also find their way onto this ship before spreading more widely in the PLAN, assuming that the PRC survives that long. My assumption is that Fujian is conventional powered only because the PRC is currently incapable of designing, building and operating a naval reactor powerful and dependable enough for them to install in it.
Too many new techs all at once increases the risks to such an unacceptable level, the entire project could fail. Just ask the USN about it. The inclusion of the EM cat into the 003 instead of delaying it until the 004, that decision itself was already an enormous risk. This is only their 3rd carrier. Twenty years ago, they had nothing.
This isn't a video game. CSGs aren't going to be going at each other one on one. And no, the Fujian is Kitty Hawk sized. And to think because the Fujian isn't nuclear powered because "the PRC is currently incapable of designing, building and operating a naval reactor powerful and dependable enough for them to install in it" is further proof none of you people know what you're talking about or understand the PLA or China's geopolitics. Because I'm sure, the country who leads in nuclear power, already has SSNs and has started to mass produce them, and has been building nuclear propulsion civilian shipping ships for years is "incapable of designing, building, and operating a naval reactor". China doesn't need a CVN right now. Educate yourself and get off Reddit.
The USN are already using unmanned drones for refueling. Unmanned attack aircraft can't be far behind in view of the cost of training pilots -- >$1 million -- and the physical limitations of the human body --
Many commentors are quick to compare Chinese aircraft carrier with American ones. But, this is really beside the point because China does not strategize to fight any war far away from China. The real important message is how China upgrades their military capabilities from ground up with much SMALLER budget and much SHORTER time, with much BIGGER manufacturing capacity. Their trajectory of superiority (not dominance) makes the statement.
Excellent review, two things needs to point out, one is the cost to build and maintain will be fraction of the cost of US, the other is the speed to service ready will be far quicker than people think.
The fact that Chinese has all the power train, inclduing propelling, and generation engines for such a vessels is amazing. That it's builds all its own air wing and air-defense missiles on the carrier is even more of a statement.
There's a reason it called 003 for the three major problems problem 1 the Catapult is not dependable problem 2 lack of range and problem number 3 and it's a biggie the material they building it out of is sub quality that has already been reported to have stress cracks under its own weight
Former carrier crew member here: There are so many things it takes to support carriers not to mention all the moving parts they're still a long way from being a warship
yes, but they have had active carriers for 10 years. they have also actively gone out and hired carrier crew members from other countries to help train.
"So many things" go into a Boeing and we know how "good" Boeing stuffs are these days. By contrast, China's sending assets to the dark side of the moon and to Mars in impeccable fashion while NASA failed and never did. Yeah, sure, let's talk about "so many things it takes to support (whatever)". China has laid down 40,000 km of high-speed rail track across the country while you guys can't even pull off one that's less than two dozen km long from Las Vegas so, yeah, please refresh our memory when the last time was that the US successfully executed anything new that required those "many things" to come together. I count NONE. The fact you're a "former" whatever and here talking about crappy old things is an embarrassing statement about the sorry state of American tech, especially military tech.
@@SeanGelarden that's why the Chinese are pumping out ships, planes and drones like crazy. They're building what's necessary to support those carriers. If I'm not mistaken, they produce more than half of all commercial ships in the globe, the numbers are around 50x what the US does. Imagine how this capacity would affect any war...
They couldn't even trap aircraft until a retired US Marine helped them out 2-years ago and who is now being extradited from Australia to US for trial xD
Same here in the UK. A couple of years ago it was revealed that 30 former RAF and Royal Navy pilots were training the Chinese military via a South African contractor and worst of all, it was perfectly legal at the time.
China has an extremely limited blue water navy. The us navy out classes the chinese military in every aspect. The us navy is nearly 3 times the tonnage of china. 😂
@@andrean2247 The Chinese do have larger count of ships but when you compare the overall tonnage, the US wins hands down. A bigger part of the weight is in the 11 carriers. Beyond that, US ships are built to take a beating and survive. Can not say the same for China.
You’re forgetting that the USN has its fleet spread out over every ocean on the planet. China can muster its entire navy in its own backyard (which is where they will need it).
6:05 ... It's often overlooked by the general population .. Nuclear Powered Aircraft carriers still need to be refuelled at least monthly in peace time, as all the airplanes need fuel AND, the crew is powered by canned beef and powdered potatoes .... they can only carry a linted supply.
A nuclear Carrier also NEEDS SUPPLY SHIPS to supply food, water, necessities for it's crew and oil/gas/fuel, YES - OIL/GAS/FUEL for the fighter jets and other ship equipment to function! Not to mention the protecting warships around the Carrier! China thought of all these drawbacks and opted to spend the excessive cost of Nuclear power, to energy power savings/storing/usage, etc.
Nuclear power, though very useful, does not preclude replenishment at sea. Aviation fuel, food and other consumables must be routinely resupplied which requires a fleet train. Added to this, the escorts will also need topping up with fuel so a nuclear powered carrier is not a total panacea.
China's aerospace fighter: low-altitude flight, speed of Mach 8, payload of 60 tons, can carry nuclear warheads, high altitude, high speed, radar cannot detect, missiles cannot catch up
@@曾林-k7q You missed the point. There is no real reports of any aircraft taking off or land on the Type 003. That takes time to get your crew to be proficient with carrier ops. You can try to use the Type 001 and 002 for comparison but the launch systems are totally different.
You mean EMALS? Which is already on US carriers and has been for a long time. The original version of it was made in the US in 1946. God you are a terrible shill, go away.
Its not close to the ford class, not even close. More to a US Forrestal class, the processor to the nimitz class from the 1960’s. That doesn’t mean its not a threat however. A 30 year old weapon can still kill a 3 year old ship. When compared to the ford it would get its ass kicked, now the ford is still being developed itself and not fully combat ready.
The GR Ford is the sum of decades of experience, development, design. It's taken decades to get there and a number of previous aircraft carriers to work out the kinks. While China still has improvements to make, it's first carrier is not overly far behind the US. China will continue to develop its aircraft carrier design. There's advantage with starting from fresh . It's not "obligated" to previous technologies. There's no retooling process. While skeptics may laugh at China's first carrier, the second and third will be the ones that'll scare people and those are being built now.
Careful there Jon. China is actually better at building ships than the US today. Not saying that will last forever. But right now, they are ahead. Why do you think half the biggest commercial ships in the world are being built over there today? It's not China's warships that are cracking and unable to go out to sea when the wind is blowing stronger than a breeze. After 3 consecutive failures, the USN had decided _we really need to replace those old destroyers and cruisers. We'll just buy an off-the-shelf design from Europe to fast track everything._ And then they managed to screw up even THAT !!! By tinkering with a known working design. 🤣 Go look for Sal's channel you YT. It's a complete 💩show. It'll be a hoot, if it were not so serious. Please do not fall for the CCP propaganda. The commies are smart and devious. All those "American patriots" proudly proclaiming the US is far ahead, China is not capable of doing anything. They aren't patriots. Or Americans. If they are such patriots, why are they telling us to be complacent and let China catch up?
@@danielch6662 I question everything that comes out of China. Including their population numbers. I think they just make shit up. The chinese are terrible at creating things, but pretty good at copying things and really exceptional at producing shit versions of things.
note: fujian province is not only close to Taiwan, the taiwan island used to be part of fujian, and under the administration of fujian province. people from fujian and taiwan island share similar culture and language, many pro china taiwannese saw fujian as their ancestor land.
It’s absurd for Americans to be boasting about its fighting experience. That is nothing to be proud of. In fact, you should be ashamed of your country’s belligerence and having levied untold amount of killing and destruction around the globe. If the US is serious about being a true leader, don’t lead in starting and fighting wars. Instead lead in conflict resolution peacefully, trade, development, cooperation, collaboration, helping other countries to improve, building bridges not walls and address challenges facing humanity. Which is exactly what China is doing, rather successfully.
After watching a few videos on carrier operations that have been sharpened by decades of deployment I have no doubt that the Chinese are in for a world of hurt just trying to operate a real aircraft carrier. Just watching flight operations and one realizes just how many individuals are choreographed into a dance to make safe operations possible. You don't learn this overnight but over decades of experience on what works and what does not.
You are right. And you are also wrong. Nobody can gain experience by simply standing aside and NOT going in to get that experience. Everybody is new at some point. Today, they are noobs playing with very expensive shinny new toys. Give them 20 - 30 years, they wouldn't be noobs anymore.
In 2007, China still does not have a single high speed train line. While the Japan and Europe have them since the sixties and the eighties. Less than 20 years later they have built and now operate a 45k km hsr network running all over their vast country. Some of these lines transverse some of the most challenging geographical terrains on earth. Something that the Japanese and Europeans don't have to deal with. Learning to operate an aircraft carrier efficiently like the US Navy should be a less challenging endeavor, given sufficient time. Like their HSR or space program.
Keep burying your head in hapless delusional cope before you realise China builds more ships than the rest of the world combined. Americans are behaving like the hare in the race against the tortoise. Their loss ain't China's problem
@@SengpoSatbang You sound like a broken record, when dealing with lethal weapons accidents happen, doesn't happen to china because the weapons are not very lethal lmao
@@AL-pv2bq Absolutely. I agree 100%... So don't fret, the US Navy reigns supreme. The Chinese navy will never ever have the ability to shoot its own fighter jet. And the Chinese navy will never ever have planes like the F35, which has the strong tendency to submerge into the sea. 🤣🤣🤣
A lot of the stats Simon said are off or way off. And not sure he or people involved in this videos creation understand some of the terms that were used. and unless China travels with fuel ships. They can't be called a true blue water navy. Also someone commented that America has been refining carriers for over 60 years. This is very wrong America has been working on. Using and refining its carriers for over 100 years. China is still decades behind America. And the leaps they have made are due to either buying the other 2 carriers they have and what technologies they have stolen or reverse engineered. As China hasn't had "ANY" big homegrown innovations in any of their technologies for over 15 years. It's all been stolen I could go on and on about their navy, this video, and China in general but I'll spare all of you it's late and I'm going to bed. Night everyone.
As a prior engineer for the US Navy my work wasn't specific to the Ford (I worked on specific systems for the entire fleet and have been on over 50% of the ships the US Navy has). From my work I spoke with counterparts on other systems and the Ford had it's problems but they weren't as bad as the issues with the Fujian. The Fujian is not fast, it's not powerful, and it can't launch planes so it's just a great future contribution to the ocean floor.
Come on. Are you a real engineer or a 13-year old kid? I would love to hear your engineering based reason why you think it can't launch planes. Is it because the testing hasn't reached that phase yet? Look at it like this. The 003's main task is not to go toe-to-toe against the USS Ford. It's to train Chinese sailors and pilots. Their biggest problem is they don't have enough experienced crew. And there's just no other way to gain experience. You need to operate carriers. And it takes time. Meanwhile, the 003 is also a test bed for their equipment and engineers. They will iterate and evolve their stuff to 004, to 005, and so on. The mere fact that they're not whacking out 10 copies of the same design tells us that they're not done with their R&D. They are working on their tech and training their crew at the same time. Do you think there is a better way?
Exactly. These are their trials, their learning vessels. Without nukes they are cheap and easy to maintain. They will eventually sell these to other countries that will want to flex their military muscles i.e Iran, Turkey, Malaysia, Egypt, South Africa, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Saudi, UAE, etc. It's the next version after this that will make the Ford class needing a nappy!
the fact is, CV-FUJIAN is not an attack weapon but a defence shiled, it protects the 055 Cruiser from air dominance and let the 055 ships play the offence role, this is the whole difference strategy in using CV in real combat from US Navy, lets see what will happen in coming conflicts.
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The deck of the Chinese carrier broke in half and collapsed. Don't believe anything you hear about Chinese engineering, it is all propaganda.
They even paint brown countryside green with big spray trucks to look better for publicity shots.
RECAP: This carrier broke in half (the deck at least), I have seen the footage after the sea trial which China has suppressed.
All their claims are fake, they just make cheap copies of current tech.
Trash creator is still trash. You just have a team and you are a content mill that puts out so much misinformation that you all should be prosecuted.
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.... deep breath BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA ... passes out.. BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
what a joke
Bro, you're late the Chinese has launched their new NGAD 6th generation aircraft! I do wanna know your thoughts on it
@@megaprojects9649 The deck split in half, it's a Tofu Dregg Aircraft carrier.
The era of overcapacity for electromagnetic catapults has officially arrived. The Type 076 amphibious assault ship is officially equipped with an electromagnetic catapult and was launched yesterday.
lol, overcapacity, I can't get enough!
Yes, China lacks experience being an aggressive empire, and hasn't fought a war in over 40 years. That's something to be proud of, not ashamed of.
Does building power projection ships mean they want to change that?
@@AL-pv2bq Don't think that is necessarily the case. It does make sense if they're using it as a deterrent considering they're basically surrounded by many potential enemies (India, S. Korea, Japan, Taiwan, and the majority of SEA).
@@echadit Let's acknowledge the elephant, China wants to invade Taiwan. Right? Their official stance is that it is rightfully theirs and they won't disavow the use of lethal force to make it happen. The only reason they have not tried yet is because they think they would lose due to Taiwan having Japan and America to back them up.
No, just to make sure other countries not to force China to change that.@@AL-pv2bq
It's not from lack of desire fool. Its lack of ability.
Regardless of what China does, we keep dismissing them or minimizing their technological advances. This is the absolute worst mistake we can make.
I think it's quite funny that we're being told to believe 2 diametrically opposed perspectives, first that they're a danger to us, and second that they are weak and decades behind us.
Sober people.
People on RUclips might, the actual people in decision making positions do not in any way underestimate the opposition.
You think anybody in this comment section has any relevance to?? 😅.
I don’t think RUclips commenters represent the ideals of the US government. The govt likely is not taking any chances with China’s recent advancements.
No worries, is the Temu team, go back to sleep.
Imagine releasing this video, China release a new carrier and 2 6th gen fighters in hours 😂
No one has a 6th gen fighter
I love how all the Western xenophobes and jingoists are rushing in to dismiss Chinese progress. =) While most of you make valid points, this complacency is exactly what the Chinese need and love.
Finally someone I agree with.
Yup. They are fools playing right into China's hand.
I don't think China really inspire to win battles against US. CCP just needs to prove that if engaging battles, it has sufficient capability to inflict enough deaths on the US side to change the American's' opinion to stop the war (as long as China doesn't initiate attack to US like Japan did to peal harbor.) I believe China knows it. China isn't like US which has an unrealistic goal to change the world to its liking.
Well said! This is exactly what the Chinese wants. Any deviations from expectations here in the West will create disarray, an advantage to China.
Is there no mention of the battle group? A carrier without an effective battle group is extremely vulnerable regardless of how impressive it is.
Well the Chinese regularly train out in the Pacific with their battle groups, recently gad one with both Liaoning and Shandong
The battlegroup is in the post but there's some problems with the WishDotCon order so they are using some ships from the bottom of Russian cornflake packets
@@NightPhoenix.Yeffective is the key word comrade. And they still can't go anywhere without a fleet of tug boats following close behind.
They have Type 055 which is arguably the strongest destroyer in the world right now. But yes, they regularly train with a full service group out in the open seas.
@@VaioletteWestover Lol arguably because unlike American destroyers it's not definitive right? You can argue anything but you can't deny that we're still decades ahead despite your best efforts to rip off our designs and tech.
The US does not necessarily have more combat experience than China. Committing war crimes across the Mid East for 3 decades is not combat experience.
Exactly. The U.S. flexing its military might against poorly equipped fighters in sandals across the Middle East isn't a true test of power. The real challenge will come when they face a peer competitor like China.
Specially against countries who can't defend themselves
They never fight an army with air defense
Those two things are not mutually exclusive.
Yes it does. Have you forgotten that in 1941, Germany and Japan had more combat experience than the US? The fact that war crimes committed doesn't negate the fact that Russia currently has more recent combat experience than NATO.
The Chinese are very good at building nuclear power systems. No doubt they could have done that in their carriers by now, if they wanted.
And no doubt the will do so in a future generation of ships.
I'm waiting for their first ship, or submarine, with a Thorium Molten Salt reactors. Rest assured that they have a well thought out plan for this.
It will come. Say in 5 years time.
The chinese make nothing of quality.
90% of our military is made from china 😅
The Chinese Tian Gong space station is much better than the ISS.
Cope.
btw historically TW belonged to Fujian province before Japan annexed it
And now they are their own country. Seems simple to me.
simple to you, not recognized by your government officially
@@JDRogers65Read their constitution
@@JDRogers65并没有成为一个国家，联合国不承认，欧美国家也没有一个承认的，只要他们还继续使用中国人建立的国家，把中国人作为国父，把中国人的节日作为国庆日，他们就没法真正独立成为国家。很快就会被大陆统一了
Belong to the ROC, yes.
There is even a debate in China whether they needed a nuclear power carrier. But I bet China will build one. We should find out in a year or two.
state of the art and cutting edge? This thing is a TEMU USS Gerald Ford. It has diesel engines. The only impressive modern tech are the catapults and those really dont matter nearly as much in the grand scheme.
Temu better than boeing...
@@joek7031sound dumb😂🤦🏿♂️
Last time I was this early people thought Ice would make a good aircraft carrier.
Ice? No. Pykrete? Absolutely 😂
Damn. .. Ice Burn!
It will take another 15 -20 years of work to get this on par with a USA carrier, and about that much time to train the sailors. But you have to start somewhere and this is a good start
They already have aircraft carrier experience since the commissioning of their first two ships in the last decade . For the Chinese it only takes about 5 years for a ship to be combat ready including its sailors and pilots. The west has to stop underestimating these people. Just take a look of what they have done in last 10 years with the high speed rail network and Ev car market.
It'll be a long time before china can challenge the shear amount of experience and hard lessons learned by the US navy over the last 80 years.
That experience isn't a secret. The USA hasn't fought a peer military in that time and has never fought a nation with space assets.
For the people saying "what about the carrier battle group" brother, they have those, THE THING they lack is simply experience, they dont join wars just for the sake of it so they dont have any battle experience operating carriers
Finally another sane person.
battle experience ? What experience does US has? Fighting vs the Houthis?
In this day of AI, Quantum communictions, drones etc , you want grandpas to fight a war?
No lad, the way it is going no country in the world is anay match even close to fighting China.
Tell us which weaponry US tech is ahead of China? ...almost none.
Get out of your cocoon and start to innovate and dont waste money on wars.
Sorry. This is a lie. This POS takes 48 hours just to generate enough steam to leave port. Its planes are such garbage they can’t take off with full fuel and weapon loads. It needs multiple oilers to follow it around since it diesel electric. Easy targets for any first world navy. Worst of all, the generals in charge of it were arrested for scamming money out of the program by using cheaper steel. Dude. It’s a coral reef in first hour of a conflict.
Don’t underestimate Chinese intelligence. What they lack in experience they make up for in sheer brain power. They are very well versed in operations and well trained. Real world experience will come with the Taiwan situation sadly.
Thats exactly what Russian navy said when they attacked japan in 1904, it was one of the most one-sided naval battles. For japan.
This guy needs his own TV series
what's a t v?
Christmas gift for the Pentagon guys 😂😂😂
I have a greater fear of gas station sushi than a boat built by China
Probably insulated with asbestos 😂
Heeeey. You leave my rollergrill eggrolls alone. They're tasty, , and perfectly healthy. .
Im sure they'd love the west to keep thinking this way.
@@itinnyi -- NOPE. We love the Japanese, the South Koreans, the Taiwanese, and all other Asians *except* the country with the very worst track record in human rights, IP theft, and expansionist ambitions of the past 75 years; i.e., CHINA.
Cope.
I like your videos, your explanations are very professional.
I would personally say it's not comparable between the Fujian and the R. Ford because China most likely wants the 003 to stay in the South China Sea along with the Liaoning, the Shandong, and the 004 which is most likely is also conventional engines since from what I heard it's the 003's sister ship. The nuclear carriers in the future will be used to travel further as far as Guam according to what I heard. When war breaks out and the nuclear carriers fighting on the frontlines, the 4 conventional engine carriers will most likely stay behind in the SCS to protect the coast because you can't leave yourself completely vulnerable if you send all of your armies to fight without any protection.
The last major carrier battle was fought at the Battle of Midway. Japan lost 4 carriers Akagi, Kaga, Soryu, and Hiryu to USA's 1 carrier USS Yorktown. Nobody had carrier battle experience ever since, unless if you count carrier "gunboat diplomacy" as such. All battles were fought using tactics and strategies from the last war, Midway was 82 years ago. That's how the British and French lost to the Wehrmacht's Biltzkrieg tactics, because they thought they could stop the Germans by digging trenches
Philippine Sea in 1944 was far bigger. The Japanese super carrier Tio was sunk by a single torpedo from an American sub. But they had half a dozen more carriers we had to deal with! Unfortunately for Japan the U.S. brought over a dozen aircraft carriers and our defensive firepower brought down hundreds of Japanese naval aviators in one day. But you can be excused for forgetting it. It is ignored by “History” for reasons that I can’t understand. It was basically the Battle of the Bulge of the Pacific, but sadly overshadowed by the Normandy campaign in Europe. There was a much more dangerous moment for the U.S. Navy late October 1942, the Battle of Santa Cruz, which nearly cost us the entire Guadalcanal campaign…
Kid, in ai era, forget about your heroes.
Just finished my type 03 donut today.
China's aerospace fighter: low-altitude flight, speed of Mach 8, payload of 60 tons, can carry nuclear warheads, high altitude, high speed, radar cannot detect, missiles cannot catch up
@@曾林-k7q On the aero fighter, there are some issues. Using the SR-71 as a basis, let's see what is possible and not possible.
The SR-71 goes through a lot of fuel. After taking off, it needs to be refueled. For long distance missions, it is going to need to refueled again. China has a few aerial refuelers but is not well known for aerial refueling.
Now for the speed part. China is well known to have poor jet engine performance. I find the ability to jump from the Mach 1 to Mach 2 range to Mach 8 range is highly unlikely. The slow down from Mach 8 would leave a signature of some sort easily to be picked up.
Now, for my last item: The weapons and weapon system. China would have to developed a new class of weapons to handle the initial speed and aerodynamics from the aircraft. The weapon deployment system has to be able to deploy the weapon in such a way to not get sucked up into the weapons bay, drop the weapon that it does not cause any air disturbance, and have the capability of updating the weapon in midflight. The SR-71 has a bay door for the camera system but the ability to drop anything of the bay was not possible (but there was some talk about doing so).
So, I have a very hard time believing that China developed a Mach 8 aircraft that can drop some sort of weapon.
@@曾林-k7q No.
Hey how did the Chinese first nuclear submarine work out?
If you mean the one that sank on the pier: That wasn´t the first nuclear submarine they build. They already build multiple classes of Nuke Subs. They are basically transitioning on a comparable speed to the US and Russia back when nuclear power became a thing.
I hear they're building all the new boats with glass bottoms so they can see the previous boats.
@@akairborne Oh.... i guess the russians would have to do that first... just to give China something to copy ;)
Funny he will never do a show on that lol
first? they been operating nuke subs since 2007? are you dumb?
Fuj -Simon is what it should be called.
You do realize that almost all modern radars are dual/ multi band radars. Phased array has to be in cause it’s a search radar with very specific wave guides
Welk, the Fujian isn't China's furst domestically built carruer. But is the first indigenously designed carrier
The Shanding was the first 100% domestically built carrier based on a Russian design and tweaked
liaoning is first,china spend alot human power and money to made it a real carrier
The trouble with carriers, and why they aren't really seen outside of the US navy at any scale that makes them practical tools for projecting power is the sheer scope of the logistics, technology, and training involved is prohibitive in the extreme.
The US spends less on its military as a percentage of GDP than other nations, but our GDP is so much larger than other nations it allows us to do these things anyway. Even on a budgetary scale, we spend about 10-15% of our budget (depending on the year and the actual details of how it's spent - often defense spending ends up being used for other things) - that said: We still complain daily about how much we spend on the military. The common meme is that it's why we don't have universal healthcare, forgetting that more than half of the budget already goes to those kind of programs: Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, Obamacare, and other health care programs.
The point is, even with all of our advantages, and current capabilities, it's likely we won't have any carriers in the decades to come as we move further down the road to returning to an isolationist society. So how likely is it that China will go full tilt? I'd argue they'll build at least three because that's how many you need to have an actual carrier always available and thus have a credible ability to project power, but beyond that? I doubt it.
The costs associated with them and the capabilities they provide only make sense if you're looking to either rule the world or play peacemaker for the world. I don't think China honestly wants to do either. Regional superpower, sure, global superpower? I don't think it's really what they want. Economically sure, militarily? I just don't see them wanting to go that route as we've already shown the world the benefits don't really outweigh the costs on a practical level. China would have to have a pretty radical change in "cultural morality" to want to play policeman, and world domination? It's not really practical since the creation of nuclear weapons.
Did you also factor in the ~1 trillion the dod was not able to account for? And what about all the secret funding projects that wasis not included?
If the last few years showed us something is that the single power hegemony over the world is bad and leads to a lot of abuse. Like a chair, the world needs many legs to balance itself, 2 is okayish but more is better.even less powerful, other powers will have positive impact on the world peace.
We are still in a transitional period though during which the old hegemon is not sharing power without a fight, it is the most dangerous period so far...
For those who don't know. In 2022, China accumulated 4 million IPs submitted to World Trade Center.
Not only that China became the first country to surpass 3 million IPs. America's IP ownership is less than 3 million till now.
Interesting break down, also a valid but double edged point at the end
The impressive/troubling thing is that they can probably knock out another 20 of them in the time it would take other countries to create two.
That's true. Would you rather 1 US Supercarrier or 10 of these? I'm not sure I have an answer to that.
That's what everyone keeps saying, but it took them 7 years to build it. That's not exactly impressive since the Ford class for the USA is built in just 4-5 years.
@@AL-pv2bq Was that from the actual start of construction or the start of planning? I bet it took 20 years of arguing in Congress before the Ford was even a picture in someone's head.
From a doodle on a napkin to a supercarrier in seven years would be VERY quick.
When there's no worker safety, forced labor, and being able to pollute as much as you want, you could probably build a carrier in less than a year.
@@speedingoffence we aren't talking about prototyping or inventing tech, we are talking about large scale production of existing designs here. The Ford was designed to be built in as little as 3 years should the need arise, and that is per shipyard. I haven't read anything that suggests China could do it faster.
The "latest in naval technology" doesn't include a diesel powered ship that maxes out at 30 knots.
Regardless of not being nuclear powered what’s the problem? British and French carriers have pretty much the same speed
when it comes to huge ships be military or civilian 30 knots is already fast, what are you expecting? this ships will evade missiles?
Now everyone knows you don't know anything about carriers.
You know that China builds nuclear powered submarines? This type- 03 carrier is the testing design for future nuclear super carriers. China has the capability to make 2 carriers in a year. While the USA takes years to build just one carrier. In the next 10 years, China could have up to 5 super carriers Which will give China upper hand in the Asia Pacific region.
I don't think you have any idea how fast 30 knots is for a supercarrier, and those are just the official figures from the Chinese.
Just to clarify, AUKUS is not an alliance, it is a strategic partnership.
If France joins it will faukus
How would you clarify the difference?
Whatever, three warmongering Anglo-Saxon gang members, nothing unusual.
@@jaredray7034 u just nailed it.
the alliance is called blood , Anglo-Saxon ,five eyes ,ANZUS,Commonwealth etc etc
One key difference between Fujian and Ford is Fujian uses DC electric magnetic catapult and Ford uses AC based electric magnetic catapult. With endless large supply of electricity from nuclear engine Ford can operate catapult directly from power supply and Fujian uses battery to store electricity to power the DC catapult, kind is like how an EV operates. The advantages of DC is it’s more stable but way more complicated than AC to construct and maintain. BTW, Taiwan is only 100 mikes away from mainland, there is no need for carrier to invade 5:08 when the island is reachable by land based planes and even conventional rockets. Taiwan strait is a very shallow sea in between, too shallow for big submarine or carrier to pass without submarine protection.
At 85k tons and conventionally powered, it's roughly comparable to the USS Kitty Hawk class, the 1960's carriers before the USS Enterprise.
lol , can the Kitty launch f-35 or any other next Gen planes ? You do realise out of the 11 Carriers the U.S has only 3 can accommodate modern fighters , so the U.S and China are basically equal with China's 3 carriers all capable of accommodating its latest planes, and why this is important is because they carry heavier pay loads, more fuel = greater striking distance!
@chinathesideyoudontsee8157 Do you not realize F-35 can be launched off a helicopter carrier like the Japanese Kaga? Kittyhawk (of the 1960's) had a slightly longer deck than the Fujian (1068' vs 1037'). Whatever catapult is fitted to a deck is decided by operational needs (type of aircrafts to be launched), and can be replaced/upgraded.
@@jims8828 While amphibious assault ships like the America-class and Wasp-class can launch the F-35B variant, which uses a short takeoff and vertical landing they give up distance and pay load .
Like I said the U.S has 3 capable of launching the best version while USS Theodore Roosevelt (CVN-71) is likely to be modified as well.Not all U.S. aircraft carriers can be easily modified to launch F-35s, especially those without the necessary infrastructure for catapult-assisted takeoff (CATOBAR).
The idea that the Kitty Hawk or any similar carrier is comparable or able to compete with the latest Chinese carriers is absurd .
@@chinathesideyoudontsee8157 While the helicopter carriers and amphibious assault ships can VTOL F-35B, the Fujian is not capable of launching any version of F-35. Period. Because China is not eligible for buying any F-35. All of the currently in service USN carriers can physically have their catapults replaced and upgraded to new catapults that can launch regular navy version of F-35's. Many of them won't simply because of budgetary and fleet planning reasons, e.g.: Enterprise is already retiring, most of the Nimitz class will be retiring before enough F-35 squadrons are trained to populate their decks, therefore they will most likely finishing the rest of their useful careers carrying their current squadrons of F/A-18's etc.. Meanwhile, during the same time period, the Chinese navy doesn't have either the squadrons of anything or any comparable hole in the water into which to throw money besides the Fujian, which is physically only comparable to KittyHawk and most likely would lose any fight against the KittyHawk with the F/A-18's that it had at the end of its career nearly two decades ago. "The latest Chinese carriers" consist of the Fujian, which is being built and is neither operational nor having its squadrons, plus two ancient Soviet style jump-decks (one of which literally a scrubbed and repainted Soviet rust bucket, and the other a domestic copy thereof); a "carrier fleet" that the Japanese Self-Defence force can take care of. If the KittyHawk were still around, its battle group can probably take care of all three of them.
@@chinathesideyoudontsee8157 All USN fleet carriers have had catapult-assisted take-off's since the ones built in the early 1950's. Catapult capacity has been chosen for operational needs. Catapults can be replaced and upgraded. All USN fleet carriers since the KittyHawk class have been larger than the Fujian. Some of the current 11 fleet carriers may not be upgraded to launch regular navy F-35's, but that has more to do with fleet planning: some like the Enterprise are already retiring; many of the Nimitz class don't have enough service years left in them before there are enough naval F-35 squadrons trained to populate their decks, so they will continue operating with the F/A-18 squadrons that they already carry; the VTOL F-35B squadrons can operate on existing Nimitz class without any upgrade. Chinese navy doesn't even have any aircraft comparable to the F-35. The Fujian is not even operational. The other two carriers they have are ancient Soviet style jump decks of near-zero combat value against any carrier of even the KittyHawk Class (a non-nuclear carrier much smaller than Enterprise, Nimitz or Ford classes) carrying its complement of F/A-18's, never mind the current USN carriers. In other words, if the KittyHawk were still around, its battle group alone would be able to take care of all 3 of "the latest Chinese carriers." Heck, even the Japanese Self-Defence Force fleet with their tiny carriers can take care of the entire "latest Chinese carriers."
Let's not forget that their planes are so heavy that they can't take off with a full load of weapons.
and have engines that think they're grenades!!
This is incorrect… typically modern fighter/attack aircraft takeoff with full weapons but not fuel… they top off fuel thru in-air refueling.
@@keithmoore5306 🤣🤣🤣
Real world scenario where you have to launch hundreds of sorties, this tofu, temu , show will fail
This is a myth. Please stop spending so much time on Reddit.
He said all this with a straight face. That’s the most impressive thing about this video.
Comments like this shows how terrified you guys are of your ongoing demise. Mocking is the first sign. But it's not going to help. 😅😅
definitely shows old hair boy is mental!!!
@@a.m.9357 take your meds the delusions are back!!
@@keithmoore5306 not sure who is the delusional here. Their 6th gen just came out today and a EM catapult 076 amphib was just launched too. Their shipbuilding dwarfs US capability that can't even churn out a frigate now.
I see china bots (or from their pretend best friend) are here
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Awesome!
Remember everyone gets grumpy when someone truly praises china
@@riflebird4842 - It's called HYPOCRISY. A few months ago, the host of this channel said Aircraft carriers were a waste of money in modern warfare. Now he's praising this new Aircraft carrier. This channel is a joke.
比起福建航母，你可以了解一下076四川，作为军事迷，我认为是比航空母舰更具有代表性的。想象一下人类第一台海上无人机作战平台，上百种蜂群攻击与防御作战编程，Ai算力，以及海下看不见的无人潜艇😅
bUT iT's NoT nUClEaR!!!! Except the Fujian is just an in-between iteration - China is already building 3 nuclear powered carriers with the same displacement.
FYI, China has just lanched its first em catapult equipped landing carrier, type 076, and maiden flew two 6-gen fighters in two days back to back.
The 076 is in the water already? I'd thought it'd be still under construction for a couple more months.
I still doubt they few 6-gen fighters off it though. For one thing, they don't have any 6-gen fighter yet. Binkov just released a video about a possible candidate 6-gen fighter from Chengdu, but that one is so gigantic, it doesn't look like even the USS Ford is big enough to launch it, nevermind the 076.🤣
Flying mock ups around an airport as a propaganda stunt on Mao's birthday hasn't impressed anyone. As usual China is full of shit!
@@danielch6662
There's a second candidate from Shenyang that flew on the same day.
@@danielch6662well, being able to operate in a carrier is not a requirement for being a 6th-gen fighters is it? Being honest, if those 6th-gen planes are really so stealth and fast as people think they'll be, probably they can afford to be gigantic bombers that happens to cary air-to-air missiles for shooting any fighter getting close...
US: has 11 aircraft carriers and 800 military bases worldwide to protect its money-printing machine.
China: develop a blue-water navy to safeguard its international trade.
is it made in the style of the tofu dreg style of architecture?
Nice clean lines on that ship
China marine power is getting better and better
Everybody tough until they meet DF-21
Question how do you know it’s packed with cutting edge systems have you been on it or in it??
How do you know it don't? Have you been on it?
@@Adole123 it doesn't trust me china only knows how to copy not innovate have you noticed how it looks like the American's ship LOL also my buddy in China says the phones in china suck always crashing if china can't get that right you want me to believe they can with a ship LMAO
@@Adole123 well, the burden of the proof fell on those who want to claim something is true, not the other way around
@@michelebelfiore921 Ok than explain how he can prove it. Your move!
@@Adole123 dude, can'y you read or is it understanding the problem? I do not have to prove anything, it's people who wants to say that something is true that must prove their claims. If you want to say that this carrier has cutting-edge technologies you need to have evidence for your statement; I do not have to do the same cause I'm not making any statement. Can you prove that flying donkeys don't exist? No, you can't, cause it's impossible to prove that something don't exist. If you make a positive statement you have the burden of the proof, anything else would be logically impossible.
0:46 fuojam type 003
4:02 groundbreaking technology
7:25 toe to toe
9:10 the role of the fujian in China's military strategy
10:53 challenges and limitations
12:39 global naval dynamics
...for China.
You actually dropped this king 👑
I often disagree with Simon but I always like the videos solely for his presentation skills
Hmmm. During my navy career, the last ship I served on was HMCS Athabaskan. 14:34 in the video. Kinda funny to see the bridge when the videos about a Chinese carrier
Non nuclear means welcomed in every port !
So they have 1 carrier , essentially. 10 more to go to rival the US
You are right, the US navy is incomparable. It even shot, not 1 but 2, its own F 18
That is a really superb navy 🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@SengpoSatbangwumao army we know you
@@SengpoSatbang Hey how did the Chinese first nuclear submarine work out?
@@shinre Very good.. Thanks for asking..
And "if" we want to learn to shoot our own jet fighter, we'll come and ask you.
But don't hold your breath bud 🤣🤣🤣
@@nbamaziokereke8228 Wow.. the anger 🤣🤣
When the Chinese navy want to shoot their own fighter jet, they'll give you a call 🙂🤣
0:28 "for china's navy" sounded a little different than what Simon really said.😺 Please tell me I'm not the only one. LOL
I’m Gerald Ford, and you’re not- Chevalier Chase
0:50 - Chapter 1 - Fujian type 003
2:30 - Mid roll ads
4:05 - Chapter 2 - Groundbreaking technology
7:25 - Chapter 3 - Toe to toe
9:15 - Chapter 4 - The role of the fujian in china's military strategy
10:55 - Chapter 5 - Challenges & limitations
12:40 - Chapter 6 - Global naval dynamics
After reading many comments, how can the Ford aircraft carrier be compared with the Fujian aircraft carrier? The Ford aircraft carrier has not yet reached the attack range of its carrier-based aircraft, and it has already been silent. The 055 is equipped with a carrier-based version of the DF-21
你说的没错。
I wonder where China got the idea for their catapults….?
China got the idea from a Chinese research paper according to one report.
From the US. The first catapults were used in the US over a hundred years ago. It isn't new tech.
Some people are just sore that China didn't spend 80 years working through all the outdated steam catapults we no longer want to use, but instead jump straight to EM cats. This cut the lead the US had from a hundred years down to just a couple of years. China is still behind, but they're damned close.
Personally I consider Fujian either a proof of concept (or several) or at best a prototype. I would consider it more the general equivalent of a Forrestal or even enlarged Midway rather than something that could go toe to toe with a Nimitz or Ford.
The EMALS and the (presumably) electric propulsion system are likely only some of the things being tested and in due course EM, laser and railgun weaponry might also find their way onto this ship before spreading more widely in the PLAN, assuming that the PRC survives that long. My assumption is that Fujian is conventional powered only because the PRC is currently incapable of designing, building and operating a naval reactor powerful and dependable enough for them to install in it.
Too many new techs all at once increases the risks to such an unacceptable level, the entire project could fail. Just ask the USN about it.
The inclusion of the EM cat into the 003 instead of delaying it until the 004, that decision itself was already an enormous risk. This is only their 3rd carrier. Twenty years ago, they had nothing.
@@danielch6662你忽略了技术是指数增长的。
This isn't a video game. CSGs aren't going to be going at each other one on one. And no, the Fujian is Kitty Hawk sized.
And to think because the Fujian isn't nuclear powered because "the PRC is currently incapable of designing, building and operating a naval reactor powerful and dependable enough for them to install in it" is further proof none of you people know what you're talking about or understand the PLA or China's geopolitics. Because I'm sure, the country who leads in nuclear power, already has SSNs and has started to mass produce them, and has been building nuclear propulsion civilian shipping ships for years is "incapable of designing, building, and operating a naval reactor". China doesn't need a CVN right now. Educate yourself and get off Reddit.
One day there will be a drone carrier. Just imagine launching a swarm of drones anywhere in the world.
The USN are already using unmanned drones for refueling. Unmanned attack aircraft can't be far behind in view of the cost of training pilots -- >$1 million -- and the physical limitations of the human body --
And that day is here. The 076 just launched. I'd previously thought they still had several months to go.
search 076
Many commentors are quick to compare Chinese aircraft carrier with American ones. But, this is really beside the point because China does not strategize to fight any war far away from China. The real important message is how China upgrades their military capabilities from ground up with much SMALLER budget and much SHORTER time, with much BIGGER manufacturing capacity. Their trajectory of superiority (not dominance) makes the statement.
Excellent review, two things needs to point out, one is the cost to build and maintain will be fraction of the cost of US, the other is the speed to service ready will be far quicker than people think.
The fact that Chinese has all the power train, inclduing propelling, and generation engines for such a vessels is amazing. That it's builds all its own air wing and air-defense missiles on the carrier is even more of a statement.
Tofu Aircraft Carrier.
@@Daginni1 Yeah doubly true for the lameass 7th fleet liner-rammer destroyers.
No.
@@Daginni1
Like that tofu spacecraft that got some astronauts stranded in space without a ride home. So when are they coming back ?
@@Daginni1 you mean like the Tofu 737 Max, or the 777X which nobody wants any more )))
There's a reason it called 003 for the three major problems problem 1 the Catapult is not dependable problem 2 lack of range and problem number 3 and it's a biggie the material they building it out of is sub quality that has already been reported to have stress cracks under its own weight
And the next one is 004, and you already know it is going to have 4 problems? That's an interesting take. 🤣
Thank you for your insight, it's rare to have a Chinese ship builder comment on RUclips.
You have been involved with it's construction right.
Don't make fun of it, they managed to make an aircraft carrier that is no more than 30% tofu by weight.
The biggest problem with this ship is that you weren't invited to be the chief engineer, unfortunately your intellect isn't up to scratch
@@danielch6662 It just shows his lack of intelligence.
It looks like Mega Failures is on air this time.
That carrier will make for a very awesome coral reef on day 1 of any battle vs The USA. 🇺🇸
Former carrier crew member here: There are so many things it takes to support carriers not to mention all the moving parts they're still a long way from being a warship
yes, but they have had active carriers for 10 years. they have also actively gone out and hired carrier crew members from other countries to help train.
"So many things" go into a Boeing and we know how "good" Boeing stuffs are these days. By contrast, China's sending assets to the dark side of the moon and to Mars in impeccable fashion while NASA failed and never did. Yeah, sure, let's talk about "so many things it takes to support (whatever)". China has laid down 40,000 km of high-speed rail track across the country while you guys can't even pull off one that's less than two dozen km long from Las Vegas so, yeah, please refresh our memory when the last time was that the US successfully executed anything new that required those "many things" to come together. I count NONE. The fact you're a "former" whatever and here talking about crappy old things is an embarrassing statement about the sorry state of American tech, especially military tech.
@kindface chinese bot
@@SeanGelarden that's why the Chinese are pumping out ships, planes and drones like crazy. They're building what's necessary to support those carriers. If I'm not mistaken, they produce more than half of all commercial ships in the globe, the numbers are around 50x what the US does. Imagine how this capacity would affect any war...
@@SeanGelardenso? As if accusing someone “bot” would change reality. Also, even Chinese bots are now putting US bots in shame.
They couldn't even trap aircraft until a retired US Marine helped them out 2-years ago and who is now being extradited from Australia to US for trial xD
Same here in the UK. A couple of years ago it was revealed that 30 former RAF and Royal Navy pilots were training the Chinese military via a South African contractor and worst of all, it was perfectly legal at the time.
China has an extremely limited blue water navy. The us navy out classes the chinese military in every aspect. The us navy is nearly 3 times the tonnage of china. 😂
What is this? Pillow fight?
Smacking others with tonnage?
@@andrean2247 The Chinese do have larger count of ships but when you compare the overall tonnage, the US wins hands down.
A bigger part of the weight is in the 11 carriers. Beyond that, US ships are built to take a beating and survive. Can not say the same for China.
You are right, the US navy is incomparable. It even shot, not 1 but 2, its own F 18
That is a really superb navy 🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@SengpoSatbang it also shot down a satellite. Twice. From ships.
You’re forgetting that the USN has its fleet spread out over every ocean on the planet. China can muster its entire navy in its own backyard (which is where they will need it).
6:05 ... It's often overlooked by the general population .. Nuclear Powered Aircraft carriers still need to be refuelled at least monthly in peace time, as all the airplanes need fuel AND, the crew is powered by canned beef and powdered potatoes .... they can only carry a linted supply.
The one thing about the US Navy is its ships can be resupplied at sea; fuel, food, and munitions. China does not have capacity down yet.
@@recondax No need to. They can just sail back to port. Seeing as they would likely be operating at most, only a couple hours away.
@@danielch6662 lmao true.
Well done to China
you do know the ford class has issues when plane launch the radar doesn't work at all, call it a disruption. it is well known among the crew members
A nuclear Carrier also NEEDS SUPPLY SHIPS to supply food, water, necessities for it's crew and oil/gas/fuel, YES - OIL/GAS/FUEL for the fighter jets and other ship equipment to function! Not to mention the protecting warships around the Carrier!
China thought of all these drawbacks and opted to spend the excessive cost of Nuclear power, to energy power savings/storing/usage, etc.
Imagine how many plans and blueprints they had to steal to make this.
Yeah, and they didn't even steal any good ones.
沙雕，003的船体是借鉴苏联航母
Considering China's shipping industry is bigger than Us' and Europe's combined
They stole because your media say so, and you were taken in.
Nuclear power, though very useful, does not preclude replenishment at sea. Aviation fuel, food and other consumables must be routinely resupplied which requires a fleet train. Added to this, the escorts will also need topping up with fuel so a nuclear powered carrier is not a total panacea.
China used to be behind 60 years in aircraft carrier technology, now they are only 10 years behind the US.
Not CIWS! PDC'S! If you know, you know 😂
I haven’t seen them launch an aircraft off that thing yet.
China's aerospace fighter: low-altitude flight, speed of Mach 8, payload of 60 tons, can carry nuclear warheads, high altitude, high speed, radar cannot detect, missiles cannot catch up
@@曾林-k7q You missed the point. There is no real reports of any aircraft taking off or land on the Type 003. That takes time to get your crew to be proficient with carrier ops.
You can try to use the Type 001 and 002 for comparison but the launch systems are totally different.
it is a floating nothing burger. reminds me of those futuristic cities they built but no one lives or works there
Lmfao c'mon Simon you buying that bull💩 😮😅
Catobar doesn't require electromagnetic launchers, and ski ramp carriers are actually the new advancement, not an older technology.
02:04 - Ooh nice!
You dont see that kind of slick feature on any American carrier 😅
When its launched
04:20 - Nice
You mean EMALS? Which is already on US carriers and has been for a long time. The original version of it was made in the US in 1946.
God you are a terrible shill, go away.
@thomgizziz
I was actually talking about the 3 decorative feature on top of this Chinese ship that stands out
Not the EMALS usage history
Its not close to the ford class, not even close. More to a US Forrestal class, the processor to the nimitz class from the 1960’s. That doesn’t mean its not a threat however. A 30 year old weapon can still kill a 3 year old ship. When compared to the ford it would get its ass kicked, now the ford is still being developed itself and not fully combat ready.
Particularly when it’s backed up by dozens of destroyers, hundreds of land based aircraft, and hundreds more land based ASMs.
The GR Ford is the sum of decades of experience, development, design. It's taken decades to get there and a number of previous aircraft carriers to work out the kinks. While China still has improvements to make, it's first carrier is not overly far behind the US. China will continue to develop its aircraft carrier design. There's advantage with starting from fresh . It's not "obligated" to previous technologies. There's no retooling process. While skeptics may laugh at China's first carrier, the second and third will be the ones that'll scare people and those are being built now.
The comment is what i expected from this channel honesty 😅
Trust Me The Air craft carries are the sitting ducks vs legitimate enemies.
Based on their construction methods for building, I question if that ship will still be floating and functioning in 5 years. Tofu Dregg
You are right, the US navy is incomparable. It even shot, not 1 but 2, its own F 18
That is a really superb navy 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Careful there Jon. China is actually better at building ships than the US today. Not saying that will last forever. But right now, they are ahead. Why do you think half the biggest commercial ships in the world are being built over there today?
It's not China's warships that are cracking and unable to go out to sea when the wind is blowing stronger than a breeze. After 3 consecutive failures, the USN had decided _we really need to replace those old destroyers and cruisers. We'll just buy an off-the-shelf design from Europe to fast track everything._ And then they managed to screw up even THAT !!! By tinkering with a known working design. 🤣
Go look for Sal's channel you YT. It's a complete 💩show. It'll be a hoot, if it were not so serious. Please do not fall for the CCP propaganda. The commies are smart and devious. All those "American patriots" proudly proclaiming the US is far ahead, China is not capable of doing anything. They aren't patriots. Or Americans. If they are such patriots, why are they telling us to be complacent and let China catch up?
@@danielch6662 I question everything that comes out of China. Including their population numbers. I think they just make shit up.
The chinese are terrible at creating things, but pretty good at copying things and really exceptional at producing shit versions of things.
All I see is a future promotion opportunity for a US submarine Captain
LMAO THIS IS GOLD
Not the one who ran into a mountain in the South China Sea i hope...
@@Ben734 LMAO THIS IS GOLD
note: fujian province is not only close to Taiwan, the taiwan island used to be part of fujian, and under the administration of fujian province. people from fujian and taiwan island share similar culture and language, many pro china taiwannese saw fujian as their ancestor land.
It’s absurd for Americans to be boasting about its fighting experience. That is nothing to be proud of. In fact, you should be ashamed of your country’s belligerence and having levied untold amount of killing and destruction around the globe.
If the US is serious about being a true leader, don’t lead in starting and fighting wars. Instead lead in conflict resolution peacefully, trade, development, cooperation, collaboration, helping other countries to improve, building bridges not walls and address challenges facing humanity. Which is exactly what China is doing, rather successfully.
It's still diesel what a joke.
After watching a few videos on carrier operations that have been sharpened by decades of deployment I have no doubt that the Chinese are in for a world of hurt just trying to operate a real aircraft carrier. Just watching flight operations and one realizes just how many individuals are choreographed into a dance to make safe operations possible. You don't learn this overnight but over decades of experience on what works and what does not.
You are right. And you are also wrong. Nobody can gain experience by simply standing aside and NOT going in to get that experience. Everybody is new at some point. Today, they are noobs playing with very expensive shinny new toys. Give them 20 - 30 years, they wouldn't be noobs anymore.
In 2007, China still does not have a single high speed train line. While the Japan and Europe have them since the sixties and the eighties. Less than 20 years later they have built and now operate a 45k km hsr network running all over their vast country. Some of these lines transverse some of the most challenging geographical terrains on earth. Something that the Japanese and Europeans don't have to deal with. Learning to operate an aircraft carrier efficiently like the US Navy should be a less challenging endeavor, given sufficient time. Like their HSR or space program.
This thing is a gigantic piece of floating crap. You ever seen anything made in China that was better than its western analogue? Sleep easy friends.
Aren’t 70% of all Apple iPhones manufactured in China? So, that’s as good as the West - but still more economical.
Keep burying your head in hapless delusional cope before you realise China builds more ships than the rest of the world combined.
Americans are behaving like the hare in the race against the tortoise. Their loss ain't China's problem
Packed with cutting edge [US] technology
Yes other Daniel. The US does the R&D, and then China manufactures and uses them.
You are right, the US navy is incomparable. It even shot, not 1 but 2, its own F 18
That is a really superb navy 🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@SengpoSatbang You sound like a broken record, when dealing with lethal weapons accidents happen, doesn't happen to china because the weapons are not very lethal lmao
@@AL-pv2bq Absolutely. I agree 100%... So don't fret, the US Navy reigns supreme.
The Chinese navy will never ever have the ability to shoot its own fighter jet.
And the Chinese navy will never ever have planes like the F35, which has the strong
tendency to submerge into the sea.
🤣🤣🤣
TLDR: US still has the Neptune trident and will probably for another decades.
F-35 Battle tested LMFAO !!!
A lot of the stats Simon said are off or way off. And not sure he or people involved in this videos creation understand some of the terms that were used. and unless China travels with fuel ships. They can't be called a true blue water navy. Also someone commented that America has been refining carriers for over 60 years. This is very wrong America has been working on. Using and refining its carriers for over 100 years. China is still decades behind America. And the leaps they have made are due to either buying the other 2 carriers they have and what technologies they have stolen or reverse engineered. As China hasn't had "ANY" big homegrown innovations in any of their technologies for over 15 years. It's all been stolen I could go on and on about their navy, this video, and China in general but I'll spare all of you it's late and I'm going to bed. Night everyone.
Im surprised it hasn't sank yet. Like that Chinese sub that sank at the dock.
As a prior engineer for the US Navy my work wasn't specific to the Ford (I worked on specific systems for the entire fleet and have been on over 50% of the ships the US Navy has). From my work I spoke with counterparts on other systems and the Ford had it's problems but they weren't as bad as the issues with the Fujian. The Fujian is not fast, it's not powerful, and it can't launch planes so it's just a great future contribution to the ocean floor.
Come on. Are you a real engineer or a 13-year old kid? I would love to hear your engineering based reason why you think it can't launch planes. Is it because the testing hasn't reached that phase yet?
Look at it like this. The 003's main task is not to go toe-to-toe against the USS Ford. It's to train Chinese sailors and pilots. Their biggest problem is they don't have enough experienced crew. And there's just no other way to gain experience. You need to operate carriers. And it takes time.
Meanwhile, the 003 is also a test bed for their equipment and engineers. They will iterate and evolve their stuff to 004, to 005, and so on. The mere fact that they're not whacking out 10 copies of the same design tells us that they're not done with their R&D. They are working on their tech and training their crew at the same time. Do you think there is a better way?
I'm not concerned with Type 003, its successor, the Type 004 it's what I'm concerned about, since its going to be powered by nuclear.
Exactly. These are their trials, their learning vessels. Without nukes they are cheap and easy to maintain. They will eventually sell these to other countries that will want to flex their military muscles i.e Iran, Turkey, Malaysia, Egypt, South Africa, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Saudi, UAE, etc.
It's the next version after this that will make the Ford class needing a nappy!
the fact is, CV-FUJIAN is not an attack weapon but a defence shiled, it protects the 055 Cruiser from air dominance and let the 055 ships play the offence role, this is the whole difference strategy in using CV in real combat from US Navy, lets see what will happen in coming conflicts.