I've played worship music for almost 30 years. In our present church, our worship team (of which I'm a member) refuses to play Hillsong, Bethel, Elevation, & Mosaic.
I would like to say the same for the worship teams I play on now, and have played on in the past. They seem to think like "It's in the top forty or the Hot 100" mentality.
I told our leaders about Hillsong, Bethel, and crew years ago. All it did was fall upon deaf ears. They said that 'was the direction that the church was going'. All it did was bring heartache upon me and my family after that. We had positions of leadership taken from us. We finally left a year ago and found a small reformed church that does RPW. Much happier now.
As a leader I had the same happen. Ended up in some heated meetings, and no one saw issue with it "as long as the words are good." I told them based on that logic "I expect the next Sunday we sing Living on a Prayer, and Don't Stop Believing." We ended up leaving as even more unqualified leadership was elected.
The fake praise music brings in too many people, and money...they know how to play on emotions, seduce the congregations with "feelings"...how do you think Trump hijacked American Christianity?!? "Satan comes as an angel of light, to destroy the world..."...Jesus said that!
Yep. I stopped listening to my local "Joy FM" station a long time ago. I recommend a streaming service like Spotify where you can find lots of good hymn playlists.
They've inundated every Christian music 🎶 sphere. Support independent Christian artists as well that stick directly to Biblical truth. Nothing wrong with praise and worship, just make sure you know who's making it and exactly what they believe about God/Jesus.
About 18 years ago, I couldn't stand the radio anymore and found out only 5 years ago why. Even without consciously knowing, my spirit couldn't stand it.
@debrahartley9254 I used to work part time in Christian radio many, many years ago. Its so sad that most stations don't seem to care they're playing music tied to false teachers.
My husband and I prayed over this kind of issue for a couple of years until God led us to the right place to worship Him. It was pretty painful waiting times. Thank God for His mercy that finally He answered our prayers. Our church is one of the OPC in TX. We are now learning back again how to worship God properly as a whole congregation.
Were they teaching any unbiblical things hillsong and such believes? Or are you just referring to songs that you think are bad just because some misguided ppl wrote them?
Thankfully I’m about ready to move out of state. The small SBC church I go to sings whoever they want. They say nobody is perfect and we’d have to stop all songs… No church discipline. I can’t wait for my house to sell and move. I’ve found a great church in the town I’m moving to.
I have recently stopped listening to any radio or TV at all and have adopted 1 Thessalonians 5:17 - Pray without ceasing. I have alone moments and I don’t have to be entertained by worldly things. I am driving along I just talk to God about anything that enters my mind. If a wicked thought enters my mind, I am so tuned in to God I can immediately say “Depart from me satan!” It has really brought peace to my life.
there are hillsong songs that have biblically sound lyrics. if a worship teams plays some hymns, contemporary songs, an aforemetioned hillsong song, I dont see the problem. The pastor is expository and no nonsense. I dont see where two or three hillsong songs among 100 or so other songs is a problem
agreed. my church rejects aspects of lutheran doctrine on communion but we still sing a mighty fortress. we reject aspects of wesleyan doctrine of salvation but still do o for a thousand tongues to sing. and nobody in our congregation knows or cares what the preacher at whatever ccm bands church teaches anyway. if the lyric to that song is biblical churches will want to sing it. and if the pastor of your actual church faithfully preaches from the bible you will survive that one in a hundred bethel song without concern i love these two brothers in christ and will generally agree with them but i think they go little overboard on hillsong, bethel, etc. and then talk about dont leave your church over tertiary issues
@@michaelking9460 Agreed - but realize when you sing Mighty Fortress or For a Thousand Tongues to Sing you aren't financially supporting either Lutherans or Wesleyans - but in the case of Hillsong and similar you are (if your church is doing the licensing through CCLI). Millions of dollars go to them from their song catalog every year.
@erickphd whole point of ccli is churches are covered for all the songs with one license. so if church wants to use songs from our hymnals printed in the 1970s they are still paying ccli whether they sing hillsong or not victory in jesus 1939, in the garden 1912, and the old rugged cross 1913, are still under copyright. so if the church with hymnals still in the back of every pew wants to put those lyrics on the screen for the congregation with average age of 72 to actually see the words and sing, that church pays ccli to not steal the lyrics
I don't even bother with Christian music anymore. 😢 I'm listening to Strange Fire by John MacArthur. It's such an amazing book that lays out the history of Charismatic Christianity and Wealth and Health Gospel and gives so many references in the Bible that prove how messed up the theology is. My listening today quoted Justin Peters. I highly recommend it!!
I went to the Strange Fire Conference. It was an amazing experience. I left the charismatic chaotic "church" that I used to attend. (Calvary Church of Albuquerque) What a relief!
One thing I will say about Hillsong, is that the Holy Spirit used them when Jesus called this prodigal back home. Something was whispering to my spirit "Hillsong," and I looked on RUclips for it, and saw a listing for "I Surrender" and clicked on it, and was on my knees in tears halfway through it. And I was out of church the whole time that Hillsong was becoming a thing. That was the summer of 2022. Now, in early 2025, and over a year back, my Spotify playlists and suggestions are full of contemporary worship bands/albums with a much smaller audience and a lot less "major record deal" aspirations. Hillsong Worship: almost 6.5 million monthly listeners. Most of what I listen to now on Spotify have a couple of thousand. It's a lot different regime theologically and in genuine praise/worship.
My friend, there is a remnant in Bethel in Redding, but God is calling His children out of there. Same to you! Leave that emotive, blaring, sensitive, sensual music. ❤
Thank you Todd and Justin for this discussion. Replacement theology and infant baptism are secondary issues, but significant. If you can live with these, good. We couldn't join a church who teaches that the church has replaced Israel, nor a church that baptises babies. Do your homework folks when seeking a church, we've been on a huge journey.....
Our church holds to RT & baby baptism, millions of years creation… and when I’ve talked to the pastor he just talks down to me or answers like a politician using big words and doesn’t really answer the question; the church in Australia is pretty weak IMO.
praise him with the clash of cymbals, praise him with resounding cymbals. Psalms 150:5 I'm all for old hyms, but to completely write off other instruments in worship music is biblically incorrect.
@@bobbymcglathery4468I agree we are not under Old Testament dictates in our worship, but we are told in the NT to "sing to ourselves in psalms and spiritual songs". I believe this does not dictate musical instruments, but types of words.
Justin isn’t saying anything about the type of instrument or genre in worship, idk why people keep making that up in the comments here. Music and lyrics that are unbiblical and interested in emotionally manipulating you- are wrong. It’s quite simple.
He also suggests it's wrong to play modern instruments and sing modern songs... He thinks it's wrong to sing songs those churches wrote no matter if they are biblical or not simply because they may have different doctrine beliefs than him
If wish people would have noticed this truth as well-one that is "quite simple" to see. If the church [as a whole] was still singing the doctrinally/theologically sound hymns that sustained the church for centuries, this music discussion re: Hillsong, Bethel, Elevation, etc would be mute. Sadly, the church dismissed Gods word re: conforming to/being set apart from that which the world loves re: music-the image, sound, style, etc [Romans 12v2].
@@jaybelle1909Hillsong, Elevation, and Bethel don’t just have different stances- they preach heresy and error. They’re apostate. So there’s no excuse other than laziness for using even their songs that do pass a basic doctrinal sniff test. There are a massive number of biblically sound songs from biblically sound writers. I didn’t notice the first time around that Todd mentioned biblical music- if his stance is that there are musical instruments that aren’t allowed in worship, I would disagree with that. I will say, as soon as the music becomes a distraction or becomes so loud that the congregation cannot hear each other sing, then it has become unbiblical worship. Congregational worship is primarily for the purpose of *singing together* to praise the Lord. If your worship is instrumental only, that is also not acceptable worship.
What if the music emotionally moves you toward God? Music is meant to move you. Otherwise what’s the point of it. You may as well just recite poetry and eliminate music altogether. I’m sorry but I don’t buy this legalistic stuff these guys are teaching. Jesus told us to go into the world and preach the gospel so people could be saved. That is our number one mission. False churches will crumble on their own they don’t need self-righteous Christians to make it their number one mission to “expose” them. Jesus said a nation divided against itself will fall. These guys are not helping the promotion of the Kingdom of God, they are divisive. Sorry to be so blunt but I’ve been a Christian for over 40 years and have witnessed how this kind of thinking has shipwrecked the spiritual journey of a lot of people, many who are now even questioning the existence of God.
@@marcelfrey9984 // Marcel, I'm sorry [truly], that you're confused with regards to music; specifically its intended purpose in the church. 1] it should reflect the truth of Gods word re: that which is known [sound doctrine/theology] so as to promote true worship 2] it should reflect our attitude towards Christ and our spiritual condition [re: that which pleases God] 3] it should NOT introduce aspects of todays culture as a means to "draw people" into church with what appeals to them [but instead]: 4] in every way it should be different, set apart, and alien to this fallen society since people view music as a reflection of "societal norms" 5] music *in the church* was never meant to be used *as a means to "emotionally move" people* [WHY?] 6] man wars with his emotions change due to sinful desires [Gal 5v16-24], but biblical truth and God do not change* [Mal 3v6; Heb 13v8] The word "new" appears next to the word "song" in the Psalms more than any other term because it's a "new song" for the saints, and our "new song" is distinct and "set apart" from this worlds "old songs" [Ps 33v3; 40v3; 96v1; 98v1]. Please notice that these "new songs" do not point to US; we are not the intended subject-they speak of and *point to God and His Glory.* Music should be a means to promote true worship, not to "emotionally move" people. Hezekiah restored "worship" in the temple via music because "The Lord commanded it" [1 Chronicles 29v25]. I pray this helps.
As a newer (10 yr) worship leader, our Baptist church has already rid ourselves of Hillsong, Bethel, and Elevation songs... I still do some contemporary but watch the lyrics and performers carefully... we are near many Lutheran and prosperity megachurches in a prosperous city... small, biblical, but growing in good Christians... good advice episode...
Funny enough when the churches started singing hymns back in the day they started getting accused of using "Bar Music" along with some other colorful language. I don't think the style or instruments matter. I think it is about the lyrics and the people behind them. Is the theology sound? Song Writers have left Hillsong, Bethel, and Elevation. I don't think every song their name on is bad. A lot of them have bad theology or very little of it but there have been some Biblically sound songs though they might be few and far between. Though with some of them it is getting harder to trust.
Elmbrook Church in Brookfield, Wisconsin used to be a good biblical church but after 2000 they moved to a seeker church using Bethel, Hillsong etc. I confronted the music leader and the pastor and elders and they ignored me. Initially “ I didn’t leave Elmbrook, Elmbrook left me.” So we left. Going to a great Baptist church now that is 45 minutes away. Elmbrook was 10 away.
Elmbrook just gives off mega church vibes. I’ve been there a couple of times. Saw a Jeremy camp concert there which was amazing however I went for a service once. For a 5000 seat sanctuary I never felt so alone. It was a sombering experience
I talked to my senior pastor about Bethel and Elevation music and he told me to give proof. I told him look at the churches and what they do. Bethel does "grave sucking" and Elevation has "prosperity teachings". Despite all that, I was told that if the song is praising God then it is fine. I said where it comes from matters. Maybe I have to think about moving to another church.
Bethel songwriters are on record blaspheming and the leadership is in video admitting they use their music to manipulate people and that if people sing their songs they are in agreement with their decrees, heretical decrees.
Same thing happened at my church. The pastor said God can save anyone through even a secular song. I believe this to be true, but that is God doing the saving. It is a different matter for the Shepherd of the flock to bring the wolf into the church!" God does not want us to sin so grace can abound! The pastor did not agree. I left the church.
"Shout To The Lord", "Oceans" and "What a Beautiful Name" are all songs that touch my soul in worship. being an EXJW they wrecked me the first time I heard them. so I find in that context they are amazing songs in comparison to the music I had in the dead false religion of the Watchtower. so maybe that's why I find arguing about these songs as chirstians is a little silly. but also as a Baptist that's why I support local church independence. to me our church playing a song isn't to say "we support the writers and church organization who wrote it or produced it", its saying "we are performing this song because it affirms what we believe about God and our faith". because when we are singing great old hymns like "Amazing Grace", "Come Thou Fount", "Cornerstone", "Jesus Paid it All", "It is Well", etc, how many are thinking of who those writers were or the church they were involved in? not too many. we reflect on the words and what they mean.
Justin Peters 'don't leave a church over secondary issues.' Also Justin Peters 'If they play Hillsong, Bethel or Elevation, leave' Bonus Justin 'Be at a church you can practice your spiritual gifts' (play it back, he said that. Pretty much) Bonus Justin on other videos 'spiritual gifts have ceased!' WHAT!? I'm so confused. Maybe I need to stay off youtube and stick to my Bible...
I agree that your first two points are contradictory. But I believe he's referring to the spiritual gifts mentioned in Romans 12 and 1 Peter 4 (among other places). And as a cessationist, he believes miracles of healing like what the apostles did by the power of the Holy Spirit has ceased.
@ Not in the sense of the OT. Prophecy in this passage refers the endowment and speech of the Christian teachers. Basically, proclaiming what the Word says is how I understand it.
@@hasanyoneseenmyark If that's the case, then why does nobody translate it teaching and why is teaching listed in verse 7 separately. I don't think your response is supported by the text
If wish people would have noticed this easy to see truth that is rampant in todays church. If churches were still singing the doctrinally/theologically sound hymns that sustained the church for centuries, then this music discussion re: Hillsong, Bethel, Elevation, etc would be mute. Sadly, the church dismissed Gods word re: conforming to and/or being set apart from that which the world loves re: music-the image, sound, style, etc [Romans 12v2]. There simply wouldn't be a "market" for their music.
I live in Singapore and have searched for more than 10 years for a biblical church. There are so many wolves...During covid, I attended a chinese church where the pastor never went to seminary and plagiarised John McArthur ( most believers were from China who didn't understand English). The elders and church workers are his cronies and he hides heretical teaching by quoting RC and Paul Washer. I called him out and those who idolised him ostracised me. They call themselves life church and claim to share the gospel but it's a facade to feed the pastor n his family. I have left and since found a church that preaches the gospel and it's members are willing to journey together. Praise God for His loving mercy for me. ❤
Do you care to share what teaching you believed was Heretical?I'm familiar with the Authors you mentioned,but my love goes back further to 17th century Christian Authors of which I have many of their great writers in my library.
“The area of our researches has been as wide as the bounds of existing religious literature, American and British, Protestant and Romish; ancient and modern. Whatever may be thought of our taste we have used it without prejudice, and a good hymn has not been rejected because of the character of its author, or the heresies of the church in whose hymnal it first occurred; so long as the language and the spirit commended the hymn to our heart we included it, and believe that we have enriched our collection thereby. The range of subjects is very extensive, comprising not only direct praise, but doctrine, experience, and exhortation; thus enabling the saints according to apostolical command to edify one another in their spiritual songs.” - Charles Spurgeon
@@Endofdays-ob6qz Sturgeon is a fish. You are also a sinner - All have sinned and come short of the glory of God. Romans 3:21 That's why Spurgeon wrote, "All of Grace". Endofdays can also be saved! As Spurgeon would say, Look unto Jesus and be ye saved - all the ends of the earth. Isaiah 45:22; John 8:24
And this quote speaks to the fact that if the song doesn't have any false teaching itself, then it's probably ok to sing it yourself. However, in a context in which royalties from that song being played go to the church that sponsored it, then I wouldn't contribute to that, like listening to or watching it on RUclips or Spotify, or in a big church(that almost certainly pays them royalties).
When worship music is theologically correct but it is shunned because someone from Hillsong wrote it, then falling in the opposite ditch becomes an issue.
For me, it’s that they make money from that. In other words, I’m de facto supporting them and their false ministry. It’s not just because somebody from Hillsong wrote it. 🤷🏻♀️
@@luanneneill2877 I'm not sure how the copyright laws work for new worship music, but regardless it makes for a rather interesting dilemma. When the old widow gave her last two mites to a temple system gone horribly wrong, was she wrong to support them?
@@rockzalt Yep, that’s exactly what the conundrum is!! 🤷🏻♀️ From my understanding, churches pay a licensing fee to CCCI (I think that’s the name) to be able to play whatever songs are in their domain and the artist/group gets a cut/royalty of that each time their song is used.
@@rockzalt In the case of the widow, I’d wager that she didn’t know that they were corrupt. Currently, we know the money goes to false ministries. I think that’s where the difference lies.
@ That adds another layer. Unlike radio stations who pay song writers for their music and make a profit from it, churches are non-profit. Mandatory charging other churches to use worship music may need a bit of overturning tables and whipping.
I am like that, enjoying some secular tunes but still discerning greatly, and as a result I purge many secular tunes AND so-called "Christian" songs from my collection. K-Love and Family Life radio networks are forbidden in my home now. Both play the CCM that is of Hillsong and Bethel, plus the teaching ministries of false teachers. Very few Christian radio stations are biblically sound anymore. Sad 😢!
If you’re a woman and you want to warn a pastor of quoting a wolf…and you go first to an elder, be prepared for being dismissed in your concern. A lot of elders are (sadly) “yes men” and I think, often bristle when a woman shares a concern. Especially when it comes to music. Most churches DON’T discern and don’t care about those who do.
A lot of good, solid churches are struggling with this very issue. "The Music"……I spoke with one of our Elders about our loud music, the spotlights, the fake fog on stage, the light board, the big LED screen behind the stage…..etc…. He said, "well a lot of churches are using the same music, the lights etc…." Also "the younger families like the uptempo music…if we went back to singing old hymns, the sanctuary would be empty in 3 weeks" ……that told me a lot !!!
What exactly is wrong with all of that? Show me where it says in the Bible that is wrong? There is not only one way to worship. Worship is about lifting up the name of Jesus. My church uses these things and we absolutely praise Jesus in doing it.
It's hard enough to find a church in my area. The same people who talk about the importance of if being part of a local church tell you to leave the church for all the things mentioned. That only leaves me without a church.
I teach college level music majors, and I get many people interested in going into contemporary worship leading as musicians. I have warned a few of them already to be careful about what songs they use in their worship reading and I have specifically called out Hillsong. I hope they heeded my instruction and warning.
Here in Australia, hillsong in the day was very big here & christian stores had quite a big display of hillsong stuff like CD's, DVD's, clothing, etc... Now..... very different....nothing of hillsong to be seen anywhere! Blessings to you.
Thank you for this I needed to hear it everybody keeps telling me just deal with what you got!!! Unless God says stay I am not going to stay! You better be teaching God's word because Ibwill not settle!!!!!
Meet with them face to face. Ask them why.. ask questions and write down answers. Go to scripture for answers... don't listen to the eat the meat,spit out the bones nonsense
@@sillyslappyyeah bring scripture and show them where the Bible says only sing songs out of The Faith we sing. Lol….the Bible says worship God, and as long as the song is worshipping God then who cares
@ We are to worship in spirit and in truth (John 4:23-24). The music from these group are tainted with half-truths and appeal to emotion. Not to say that all their songs aren't theologically sound, but why support the groups of heretical churches? Instead we are to expose the deeds of darkness (Eph. 5:11).
I cannot walk i'm handicapped stuck in my hospital bed at home. I was saved in this state few years ago , My only way of church is watching on youtube.
I’m having the problem of going to a church that sings Hillsong, bethel, elevation, my conscience really struggles about continuing to attend but don’t there’s ni other church around me and don’t want to just stop congregating.
Can you show me where Hillsong promotes heresy in regards to a major Christian doctrine such as diety of Christ, virgin birth, salvation by grace through faith etc?
@@johntrevett2944 have you watched that sermon? What did you interpret from it? I've watched it many times and tried to defend it myself and say it was taken out of context or that he misspoke. Let me know what you think about it.
I haven't listened to many of their songs cause I was warned since I was young. But I did serve at a church plant for 9 months last year that mostly did CCM songs, and thus included the 3 mentioned. The ones the church chose were okay doctrinally, but they were also very simple and repetitive, so there's not not much to nitpick. As for Bethel, I'll give you a super obvious one. "There's No One Like You Lord" popped up on my Spotify, and I liked the musical arrangement enough to save it, but as I started to really listen to it, the chorus repeats "Worthy is the Lamb, Who was slain and seated on the throne, And there's no one like the Lord, All of the elders, creatures bow, Giving praise to Him and Him alone, 'Cause there's no one like the Lord"....but biblically, we're told countless times "Jesus is seated at the right hand of the Father", so He's not alone on the throne, and He's not the only one getting praise. They're teaching against the trinity and it could be very confusing to newer believers if they hear that songs first. I don't doubt that Hillsong probably has some as well. I know the themes and messages of "Oceans" is often questioned since it's popular, but I can't personally say much since I haven't heard all of HIllsong's discography, only a handful. I wouldn't be surprised if they have something just as questionable, even if others haven't made a video talking about it yet. Songs take a lot of time to listen, so I wouldn't even care to dig deeper if I already know the church isn't standing on solid ground to begin with, just to prove a point. Enough people have warned against them, so I need to guard my heart and mind first~
Any song that acknowledges Jesus is Lord, our Saviour, the living Word, the only begotten Son of the Most High God, is acceptable for praise. God sorts out the hearts of those who sing His praises, He knows who is true, and who isnt ❤
Well, you are right in part. Praising Jesus is always a good thing. But how does the song present Jesus? As a Holy divine Son of the living God? Or as our buddy, or boyfriend?
Worship pastors use these songs if the lyrics are OK and in alignment with the Bible. They are using them to enhance the service. Worship music has become a stumbling block for me. I used to serve on a worship team and in choir (for 20 years). Then, all of these people started coming out talking about Hillsong, Bethel, etc. I’m glad they did. I had some of the same reservations at times. Now, I’m totally clueless as to what we’re supposed to do for worship music. If we do all hymns, people leave or sleep. If we do the new stuff, it’s wrong. So what is the answer? Is there no way to honor God with our worship without nitpicking everything apart? It seems as long as the lyrics are OK and your heart is in the right place that it may be it’s a good offering to the Lord. I don’t know all of the answers, but my heart is heavy. Because now I hardly worship in song at all, which is quite sad for someone who has been called to worship ministry. Now I just sit in the pews. 😢
I'll share my story. I grew up Seventh-Day Adventist, which was a mix of hymns and older Christian/gospel songs. When I read through the bible in high school (around 2011), I started realizing some flaws in our theology and was confused about the gospel, but before I could come to a conclusion, I just got caught up with work, school, dating, etc. A couple years ago, I realized how dark this world is and ran back to God, and finally understood the true gospel. I was truly transformed. Now, I also took music all through school, but dabbled in various instruments, wasn't great at any. I had a band dream though, so before my revelation, I picked up guitar and started a rookie band. I never liked western secular music cause it was sexual and full of sin, violence, pride etc, but I loved Japanese music which was more positive, good messages, sang about courage and changing the world and standing up for what's right etc. But after I was transformed, I Just didn't care to listen to music. I preferred silence. I did listen to some old gospel songs I remembered, but I was also binging a lot of Christian RUclips videos, so I knew to beware of Bethel and Hillsong, and also found out singers my family used to listen to like Kirk Franklin are worldly and compromising, so it was dangerous grounds. I wasn't even sure what Sunday church to go to, so I went back to an SDA church for a few weeks, but the false doctrine was clear as day since they were covering Revelation that quarter, so I left, and told my mom I'm never going back. Thankfully, I moved out already, but we still live pretty close to each other. So last year, a church reached out to me as they needed musicians. It was a church plant in the city over, but they could give me a ride. I did ask doctrinal questions and it seemed to check out, so I agreed to go. They were non-denominational, but Pentecostal in nature, which was new to me. They were all immigrants from Nigeria, but I'm born here and of Caribbean-descent, so they may naturally click but I'm already the odd one out. Anyways, I was expecting some complex gospel music since they're black, but they actually played CCM music, which was great for me to jump into with my skill level. This was the first time I really gave their songs a listen. A few, I heard before but didn't know it was Hillsong like Goodness of God, since I heard it first in the SDA church (made me cry), and then had Cece Winan's version on my phone. I had Spencer Smith's words in my head when screening them, and I see what he means by sorcery, in that it's just super catchy, super repeatitive, 'boyfriend' songs with Jesus replacing him, and not much doctrine. Since Pentecostals feels music is vital to 'worship', they aim for the feel good stuff. And since we were a small church and moved to a location without a projector/screen, songs that were easy for people to sing along with sounded like a benefit, but honestly, I still had issues. Now, I knew I needed a church. I lost a lot of friends when I was reborn and was sharing, so I saw the need for a community. But I also wanted a place where I could truly grow in God. When everything started to click for me, like this world is evil, that everything here is temporary, just how much God desires to spend time with me, and how important my walk of holiness is when it comes to connecting with Him and leading others to Him, like, I want to be encourages and enlightened, and hopefully find others who are as passionate. I didn't find that there though. As much as people sang and spoke in tongues, they were more focused on the world. They read their bibles and such, but they were more concerned about work and finding a husband. The pastor preached the true gospel, but it was very seeker friendly. I'd ask him questions bout various things, but he said we shouldn't talk bad about ANY pastor, and how deeper bible stuff is for small groups, and how he'd avoid the question if a gay person asked if it was okay, and it was clear that he cared more about growing a church and being likeable. There were other things I questioned and argued about, cause his wife was also a pastor, things like tongues, or him pushing marriage on me when being single is even encouraged. He just felt he was right and would push his idea, even though I had a lot of verses supporting my views. For me, worship isn't about music, it's a lifestyle, it's obedience, it's doing what God told us to do. But if we want to praise God, it should actually be focused on God. A lot of songs talk about what God does for us, and who He is to us, like how he provides, and helps us, and will bless us, and how He's a good father....and that's not completely bad, but it's focused on us and how we feel. I think if we're gonna worship God, we need to praise all his characteristics, not just His love, but His righteousness and justice, His wrath and jealousy, His strength and majesty. And if we're going to sing to minister to ourselves, hymns are better because they really tell us about the Christian walk, how we should think, how we should act, what the gospel is all about and so on. So anyways, I left that church, not just for that, but because they weren't transparent. I was serving freely, and even volunteering and helping out with other things, but they were paying other musicians who didn't come prepared, and didn't even listen to the songs beforehand. I was already annoyed since they didn't seem to care or love my God, but made worse when I realized they were making money. We're a church plant that can barely afford rent! One time, the pastor even hired a muslim girl. I was already bothered when I found that out after service, but made worse when we kept chatting and she said that was the case. We need to worship God in spirit and in truth. But it was clear the pastor just wanted a big worship team and a big church to show off with, rather than asking himself what would God want and what would please Him the most. There was also other drama and such, and it just didn't feel worth it to wake up at 6am (when I normally wake up at 10), travelling an hour both ways, out for 6 hours a day, for a church where I'm not being fed at, and my passion and zeal for God is constantly being poured on with cold water, yet I was still being used to serve in various ways to help the church function and grow, so I was just burnt out. I said I would wait for God before making assumptions and joining a church again, lest I be grieved once more. A Baptist church came to my door, and asked me if I knew the gospel, to explain it, if I felt I was saved and if I could lose my salvation, so we had a good discussion. Decided to check em out. Very small church. They use a hymnal, and lacking musicians, they had a piano recording playing, and his wife accompanied it with violin. Very hard hitting sermon, which I really appreciate. The members were friendly, mostly white and Asian, which I'm used to. I'm from Toronto, super multicultural, but I tend to fit in more with whites and Asians due to my interests, like musicals and anime haha. The wife and another lady did ask if I can sing or play anything, and they were excited I could, but they're not pushing. It's one of those 'if I want to one week, just let them know' thing. I don't know if the above really answered your question. When I was at that church, I was thinking like you in that "if the lyrics of this specific song align, I guess it's okay?" but even then, the lyrics are rarely deep or anything to meditate on. Spotify recommended one of Bethel's newer songs "No One Like You Lord", and musically, I loved the arrangement, so I added it to liked songs. But maybe like 10 listens in, I was like "wait a second....". Main message of the song is that "Jesus is seated alone on his throne, him and him alone, there's no one like you Lord", but in the bible, we're told countless times, "Jesus is seated at the right hand of the Father". Sadly, many people don't read the bible, so they may not even realize this is clearly against the trinity and good doctrine. While I understanding wanting to be seeker sensitive to newbies, I think songs that either don't share anything about the bible or that slip in questionable things can lead them astray or allow them to be comfortable with a very basic Christianity. I heard another video put it best, a lot of evangelical churches are just 'a cheap concert and a ted talk', and I had to agree. Music is beautiful and amazing, but Satan was a worship leader and he now uses music to cause many to sin, planting toxic seeds, incantations about pride and wickedness. I got so annoyed when I used to scroll reels and songs like "Bodyshop" or Doja Cats "Shes the devil" song would come up. I would never listen to these songs, but they would pop up so much that even if I heard a millisecond of it, it would be stuck in my head again, and I would forcibly try to kick it out. I think some CCM songs and artists are okay, but if we were to have anything looping in our heads, I think it's much better if it's something that would actually strengthen us, cause it's built on good doctrine or even quotes a verse, instead of just something that makes us hum, ya know? Hope that helps!
This is helpful for us to make a decision about our church. Our worship in church ( music and Gods word) is to a Holy God and we should not be changing how we worship to please men! This is exactly how Satan is infiltrating our churches 😢 through the music!
My church played “The Chipmunk Song” at the end of our Christmas Eve service as the recessional. We sing a lot of the unholy trinity’s music. I don’t; I sit in the narthex for the whole service because not only do I hate the music, 86 decibels is well beyond my comfort level. (Yes, I measured it and that was the max., 80 was the average) Edit: the teaching is solid; the music “ministry” is where the trouble lies.
You are so right, sir. Staying in a false church - or even a 'weak' church - would be like dropping a hot coal into cold embers. Ain't gonna last long. 😕
There is no perfect church. Stop the leaving and perseverance of the saints is needed. Correction is needed. Especially in the broken churches. Keep proclaiming the Gospel. Be bold. Have them push you out. Then find a church a faithful sound church. Maybe I am in error?
Agree on no perfect church and each situation is different, we left a church after 20 years, my wife felt that she could change a church from the inside and made a little bit of progress initially but as Justin said this starts with the church leadership and for every perceived step forward there were 2 immediately backwards, where does the line get drawn? We had female preachers, Bethel teachings, Sozo and School of Super Natural Ministry a very weak/ false gospel (life enhancement and downplaying of sin) no church discipline and much much more, there were many very kind people who love God but are greatly deceived, Famine In The Land have done a good piece on issues to look out for, we still battle with how much we say to people we left behind in that movement. Matthew 7 22-23 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy by thy name, and by thy name cast out demons, and by thy name do many mighty works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
Just curious and throwing this out there, is it okay to still play some of these Bethel, Hillsong, Elevation, etc. songs if it’s leading people to worship? I am not a fan of those churches’ teachings sometimes, but if the song is theologically sound, does that make it acceptable? Also too, I’ve noticed more songs from these groups are coming straight from scripture. So how do you answer that, if they are singing a passage from Psalms or Corinthians, how is that okay to rebuke?
Nobody says they can’t sometimes produce good music or theologically correct songs. Sara won’t be that obvious to have them all be terrible. But the root of their fruit is evil. They preach another Jesus. Bill johnson literally has said Jesus left his deity to perform miracles not as God. And that Jesus was the first to be born again! No! There’s so much more heresy you’ll find about these organizations if one looks. So yes it should matter to every pastor if they’re playing this music they’re endorsing heresy and funding false teachers to continue their message
I wouldn’t, because by playing their songs (Biblical or not), #1 you’re funding their church, #2) people WILL look up those songs and can be lead to watch their sermons/follow them on social media. That’s giving the enemy a foothold into your congregation.
@@MagnoliaViewAcademy-pm7yq that means you'd have to keep pressing "skip" on the random Christian music playlist on your Spotify because most of them contain songs from Bethel, Elevation and Hillsong. 😅 To be clear, you are against Hillsongs music even if the songs are Bible based to prevent people unintentionally funding their church but yet you have no problem funding YT (a very secular non-Christian org) by regularly using this platform? 🤔.
I’ve attended Hillsong for over 20 years, and I can tell you things are changing. New leadership is in place, and board members have been replaced in the past two years.
Anyone in Texas? Anyone know of a place to gather. Where TRUE brothers and sisters meet? I've not set foot into a church in nearly 8 years, not because I'm not a believer, merely because I want to hear the Word and fellowship with real believers. If this is picky, I'm not sorry, I want to grow closer to God, I don't want to backpeddal.
Another Calvinist…another one who judges clearly with an agenda. Do i listen to, read, or put on anything from Bill Johnson? NO NO NO. But neither do i listen to, read or put anything into my ears from a Calvinist. OR one who when you read and listen comes across hating, well disliking women. Sorry folks this was propaganda. Pray for the Holy Spirit to guide you where you should be. And remember Jesus absolutely LOVED women. Answer this who was probably the first evangelist in the Bible? the woman at the well. READ the whole story….
Bob Kauflin from Sovereign Grace told me that they sing some Hillsong from time to time. How do we treat those brothers then if that is the case? I love you guys and stand beside 99% of your teaching but you can't sit there and proclaim that any church that sings Hillsong is then on a downward spiral to become more seeker sensitive. It's just not true.
Brother, thank You for bring the Truth. Because GOD is using This to wake people up. And Yes that’s people in the Church ‼️And you’re so right about leaving the Church, It’s Better to Save Your Soul, than JESUS NOT KNOWING YOU 💙🙏💙💙🙏🙏💙
Singing Hillsong songs, even the ones with biblical words, gives a foothold to satan into our churches. Even Satan can recite scripture. God will not bless our churches if we worship Him not in purity. We need to reject our itching ears. May we praise and worship our Lord to please and glorify Him. 🙏🏼
I think we are to go to the pastor if the music director won’t hear you. Then see what happens and maybe leave if the pastor won’t deal with it. Saying that, I’ve been to a lot of churches moving around the country with the military, and I’ve never seen one do church discipline per the Bible, although our current church is close…the current issue handling is tbd…and the pastor preaches the whole Gospel in truth, isn’t afraid of any topic.👍🏼☝🏼✝ 🎉
The great christian hymn "Amazing grace" doesn't mention God or Jesus at all. So why do some blast modern gospel songs when some oldies are questionable for not praising God?
You can confess every ugly sin and receive grace, but DON'T you dare criticize the music! I left for a reformed church. Old hymns, new melodies...deep theology and deeper love. 🤲👑🙌❤
When I first began to truly follow Jesus as a young adult I found a fellowship that taught verses out of the bible to sing. I know iver 80 verses just from singing them over and over for 6 OR7 years. Thanks D Hall! In Las Cruces, NM
Im assuming everyone that is against this music doesn't own a tv or have cable or streaming services. Obviously the people that put that out isnt Christian so by your standards you better not have these things. Which obviously the tv content is even less Chritian than this music. Also logos software has some books that arent good doctrine so you better stop using logos too. Or we can just use what aligns with scripture and dont what doesn't instead of trying to find ways to eliminate everything that isnt made by christians...we may end up starving cause all farmers etc christian?
So now confessing and accepting Jesus as your Lord and Saviour is not enough? Must we all attack each other churches just because they sing wrong words? Someone need to tell me what they are because so many songs are quoted straight from the Bible verses. I never been a Hillsong member but at times when I go there (for accepting friends invitations when they have special celebrations) I feel God's presence and speaking right to my soul through their messages and fellowships and not always through the praise and worships because the fact is I dont even like most of their songs. I am a veteran musicians who loves Motowns, Country, Smooth Jazz genres so I dont even go to Hillsongs because of their songs but how can you guys pass condemnations and judgements to people who have the same end goal as you which is to glorify and praise God? Surely God is pleased with that? Why aren't you?
@@MagnoliaViewAcademy-pm7yq pardon my ignorance and I am genuinely interested and would like to ask you to give some examples of "another gospel" you are referring to. I visited Hillsong a while ago and all I remember is that the message was Jesus centered.
@@MKCarol-ms7lg that's right! Piano is a percussion instrument that also should be banned from all sanctuaries. This is coming from a bass player, the friend of drummers.
Look up the artist! Example would be look up "Who wrote What a wonderful name it is" and it will tell you the artist. I'd avoid Hillsong, Bethel, and Elevation as they are all three in the same category
They are a cult from Australia... their music is used widely in Charismatic,Word of Faith, "Prosperity Gospel, & Pentecostal Churches that are influenced by those movements. When you read the lyrics on the wall, or off a sheet, they will say "Hillsong". I confess I used to listen to some of their music when they first arrived on the scene. Now, most is either unscriptural, or appeals to folks flesh & emotions.
I was aware of this, to never compare the style of preaching of different pastors and elders in the church, thanks to this verse. Although, I have heard from fellow believers that, X is better than Y. By all means, read the full chapter or if you’re pumped, read the whole book of Corinthians.⬇️ 12 Now I mean this, that each one of you is saying, "I am of Paul," and "I of Apollos," and "I of Cephas," and "I of Christ." 13 Has Christ been divided? Paul was not crucified for you, was he? Or were you baptized in the name of Paul? (1 Corinthians 1:12-13)
It's not the style dear, it's whether it is the word of truth, delivered IN truth or filtered through the filter if a man's EGO. ALWAYS bring a bible with a concordance and find supporting scripture, previous and following verses for context and verify what is said. I have strongly disagreed with a pastor but went home and studied the topic more. I can tell if it's a rerun sermon from years ago as well. Sometimes the bible study is worth more than a 15 minute sermon. If it is a good sermon I don't want to go home! But they work on a timer
I used to think it was this easy, but it’s not. Some Hillsong songs have better theology than John MacArthur. Our local cafe played “Good Grace” which clearly states “our salvation is in His blood.” MacArthur has made confusing and contradictory claims on this in the past. Also, eschatology is way underrated.The “secondary” and “tertiary” labels are made up and can easily lead to a disjointed hermeneutic.
My church is awesome it preaches biblically accurate doctrine and heavy on repentance not trying hide anything. Yet, they do use the elevation and hillsong worship songs here and there and I just don't see that being a reason to abandon a church entirely. He isn't looking at the person who made the song but the intent of the heart.
But we can’t judge their hearts only the truth or lies coming from their lips. And bethel, Hillsong elevation Jesus culture, etc. are all bad fruits from bad trees as their doctrine is not biblical and even preaching another Jesus. There’s so much proof online to this if people will look. But many don’t want to give up their previous favorite songs to stand for truth!
@@rosieds4996that is such crap. I have been listening to those groups music for years and there is absolutely no false doctrine in their music. They are powerful songs to God. People in these comments are giving Pharisee vibes hardcore.
There isn’t anything wrong with those groups music. I’ve been listening to them for years. If there were I wouldn’t still be. These people are so focused on a speck in others eyes they don’t see the plank in their own eye.
I am a very conservative Christian and some of my favorite songs are Hillsong, Smith, Tomlin, Bethel, Jesus image, A little emotional but beautiful melody's. Even Jimmy Swaggart whom I am sickened by has great gospel music (older hymns). When they stop singing I check out, and get some word from Macarthur.
I don't think I'd even recognize Hillsong music as theirs, and I can't name the original sources of most of the songs I hear in church. I do pay attention to the words, and I will object to false doctrine from the stage either in the teaching or the music. But if the doctrine in the lyrics is sound, I do not feel an added burden to search out every one of the original sources and do a background on them. Why is it somehow insufficient to know the Bible and test the lyrics against Scripture? Are you really asserting that we need to do backgrounds on all the original artists? Why do we need to develop, maintain, and enforce a list of "unacceptable" artists?
After being educated on how Hillsong, Bethel and Elevation does things at their churches, I do avoid their music, but I still love my modern Christian music that I grew up on. It seems to me that along with Justin Peter's disdain for their music, he also seems to disapprove of modern styles of music that isn't in the hymn modal of chord progression. If it isn't a "blue-haired Betty" plunking away at an organ or piano, along with a congregation that couldn't find the right key to sing in to save their lives, it doesn't belong in the church. I do understand that songs we sing in church aren't necessarily for us to think it sounds pretty, but for the Lord to be praised and worshipped. So, what do we do? Go all the way back to the "true" traditional music of the early church? I hope everyone likes Gregorian chants. Or maybe go back even farther to King David and bring back harps for everyone. Well, that's my thoughts about the subject. Have a blessed day in the Lord.
Ya, I love Todd, but in this area he seems to have a really hard time understanding the difference between preference and what Christian music is - most of the time he is really talking about his preference. If a church just had traditional music I probably show up late a lot more. Worship music is supposed to be a time that brings you closer to God, but if you can’t stand the style of the music it’s not going to do that. There is nothing unchristian about having musical preferences.
I just started back at church post a major break at our past church that a lot broke off due to harsh ruling and money control. And aweful tactics. Haven’t been to one for a while after that happened. New church we started at is nondenom and quite large and I love they have great children’s ministry. But we are on week six and we have barely been greeted I’ve never spoken to the pastor really and they sing modern music for 30mins and have one 30 min Sunday service a week. They have a Bible study Wednesday evening. No prayers no leader in the room. We watch another church on the tv. I’ve never heard the gospel or alter call. They had a baptism that happened on the side of the stage in the middle of a song and then walked bake stage. Don’t know who it was or her story. Know one even talked about the fact that she accepted Christ. We’ve tried other churches near me and still I haven’t found a fit. Am I being picky or are my convictions right? I’m used to old school traditional Baptist church but it became so legalistic and not cultivating my growth due to shame of my lack of knowledge. I just want an accepting church family with kids ministry and firm grounding on the word. I’ve come a long way with online ministry and learning to Bible study and I want more. I feel so distraught because I can’t drive 30+ mins to church after school and work and back before bedtime for my kids if we go that far. Am I being too picky? And if I leave the nondenom church to I talk to leadership before i go? Ask why they don’t share the gospel?
I have heard that about staying in a church you see not following biblical teaching.... I understand about questioning but they evade or ignore so you must leave to protect oneself & family if you have one
Errr, only 'old music' is Biblical. No it isn't. And did the churches in Paul's time only sing old songs using a pipe organ. Clearly not. Cool, you don't like Hillsong, but other instruments and new songs are hardly unBiblical. You are destroying your own argument. Discernment is important, but consider that the writers of many old hymns had some issues in their lives also.
Jesus sang hymns with the disciples before He ascended to heaven. That's the type of music we should be singing in churches not the rock and roll hillsongs
Wait. Wut? I am not leaving my church because we sing a song from Hillsong. Am I suppose to quit saying the Lord's Prayer just because I hear them saying it at Smiling Joes's church? How do we know that "Traditional" church songs were writen by someone who never sinned? Sorry. Just not diggin' this video.
Read 1Cor 5 (very short chapter) and then come back and concentrate on verses 6 and 7 (Do you not know that a little leaven ferments the whole batch of dough?) and verse 11 (But now I am writing you to stop keeping company -- not even eating with such a man). I know there are many people who say that the ministry (songs, church, evangelism, missionary) are bringing people to Jesus and they might be at first but eventually because of the wrong teaching the holy spirit won’t be there. The church will tickle people’s ears to stay in business or die altogether. In the mean time those people will be worse off than they were before. They will end up hating Jesus or following the wide road and not even know it. Since I can remember (maybe 5 years old) I have wanted to know God and searched for him my whole life (I will be 55 this year). I have been in and out of churches and through many different “Christian” organizations. Every church I left had a serious fatal flaw but in all cases I hadn’t been there long enough to do anything about it. Currently I have been out of church at least 3 years and it bothers me that I am not among brothers. I study the bible (not just read) every day. I must say life is so much easier if I start my day in prayer because it keeps my mind on God all day long. I will say this (simplified) One God, the fall of man, what sin is (the law), the son of God Jesus, why Jesus suffered Gods wrath and died, Jesus rose and sits as our intercessor, Gods final judgement, 2 greatest commandments, finally your heart condition on everything above. Any organization that defers from this in the slightest, have nothing to do with them. Eve was deceived, don’t think you can’t be. Read the bible and pray; you can fight the enemy.
Thank you for that Bible reference. I read it and agree. A little leaven leaven’s the whole lump. But that’s what many are trying to do today, make little of this issue but it’s no small issue. I will refer to that verse also when I speak to my pastor about this soon.
@2:42 Wouldn't you go to the Pastor & Elders next instead of just finding another church? I think going to the pastor & Elders to talk to them about it would edify that church. If the Pastor then say's naa, we're still going to be listening to Hillsong, then I'd be looking.
What do you do when ALL the churches in your city and surrounds play one of these organisations songs. Ive spent the last 3 years leaving chirches who do this and after warning them but being ignored ive come full circle. No churches left. I cant start a church. Im a single mom, my hands are full. I rely on watching sermons from John McArthur, Voddie, Zac Poonen and other amazing bible based teachers who are inspired by the Holy Spirit.
The issue with Christian music today is it’s bland. When I became a Christian - Third Day was fresh, Toby Mac, Mercy Me, Switchfoot were all great. Now? Everything sounds like Michael W. Smith. Just not my style. Music is an art and art is meant to inspire. When all the music has the same sound and it’s not a music type that appeals to you, well, it’s not something you will listen to. I don’t really listen to the Bethel stuff, but artistically I can see why people do - it’s much more musically and artistically appealing.
It’s all pop nowadays. There was individuality back in the 70’s and no one sounded the same. I guess up until around 1989 that was the golden age of Jesus Music and CCM although stuff got real popish and commercial before that. I get that the style isn’t the issue here but I think there was less heresy and trendy stuff in CCM back then.
So what if you confront your church about playing those song and they use excuses about how some of the people who wrote some of the old hymns and how unbiblical some of their beliefs or lives were? That's what mine has done and now to keep people from saying anything they just stopped showing who wrote the songs.
Time to leave... that's what my husband and I had to do... we saw the direction the church was heading in, and none of the leaders reached out to talk to us. They'd reach out if we missed 2 Sunday's in a row... stopped going in June... crickets
I mean they're not wrong - I think we need to remember that songs aimed for glorifying God in corporate worship will encompass that imperfection becuse the reality is all songs come from imperfect bodies (did you know the song 'O, Holy Night' was actually written by an atheist?) and I say this - you can in good faith be in a theologically solid church and sing some of Hillsong songs , not because of who Hillsong is, but because of what some of their songs reflect corporately about who God is . Just because a song was made 300+ years ago, it doesn't make it more revering to God and equally, a song made in the modern day with all the knowledge we may have, isn't better either. Look at the lyrics and discern accordingly. Anecdotally, my church mainly sings Sovereign Grace music, City Alight, the Gettys and older hymns but we have a few Hillsong songs that are sung but all the ones that are are gospel pointing. In my own daily life, Sovereign Grace Music, City Alight , Emu Music and the Gettys make up my playlist and yet, I can sing those songs in a corporate setting because the songs are pointing to the nature of God and not to me.
“You’re not going to change the church from the bottom up.” I love that. I’m grateful that God got me out of the charismatic church. They were great people who did wonderful work in the community, but there was no practice of church discipline, the sermons, especially the ones from the lead pastor, were more like TED Talks, the stances on topics like healing and speaking in tongues did not line up with scripture, and most of the music came from Bethel and Elevation. I now attend a small Lutheran church and I love it. The gospel is presented each week, the word is exposited, the music comes from the hymnal, and there’s no chaos.
The main (and perhaps only) criteria for judging whether a song is worthy of singing in church should be the lyrics themselves. Are they Biblical? Do they glorify God? If so, then I don’t care who wrote it. If it’s true; if it’s honoring to Christ, then I say “Sing it!” At that point, it has nothing to do with where it originated.
I have been wondering this also. I sing a lot of the songs they sing, always loved watching them also. But they have been bringing in a lot of the music I've ran from.
I have enjoyed your work for a while now. I think I first saw you on the Fox News channel late at night years ago. I am also a believer who put my trust in our Savior Jesus Christ many years ago. With that said, I'm not sure I agree or see the validity of abstaining from "Hillsong" worship songs if they are theologically sound, or at least not promoting any views that's contrary to God's Word. That said, all music was contemporary/new at one point or another. I am a musician who has taught music and the guitar/bass to people for over 20 years. I see music as a gift to the soul. It helps bring out those emotions while we worship our Lord and Savior through song. I appreciate your videos, and we align on most things, but this anti-Hillsong viewpoint, I'm not sure we agree. Take care!
I've played worship music for almost 30 years. In our present church, our worship team (of which I'm a member) refuses to play Hillsong, Bethel, Elevation, & Mosaic.
@@misterstratocaster Good for them
I would like to say the same for the worship teams I play on now, and have played on in the past. They seem to think like "It's in the top forty or the Hot 100" mentality.
I told our leaders about Hillsong, Bethel, and crew years ago. All it did was fall upon deaf ears. They said that 'was the direction that the church was going'. All it did was bring heartache upon me and my family after that. We had positions of leadership taken from us. We finally left a year ago and found a small reformed church that does RPW. Much happier now.
As a leader I had the same happen. Ended up in some heated meetings, and no one saw issue with it "as long as the words are good." I told them based on that logic "I expect the next Sunday we sing Living on a Prayer, and Don't Stop Believing." We ended up leaving as even more unqualified leadership was elected.
@@jetdriver26 sorry to hear that.
The fake praise music brings in too many people, and money...they know how to play on emotions, seduce the congregations with "feelings"...how do you think Trump hijacked American Christianity?!? "Satan comes as an angel of light, to destroy the world..."...Jesus said that!
@@jetdriver26 I was thinking George Harrison’s My Sweet Lord.
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Same with Christian radio stations and music streaming. Every third or 4th song is Bethel, Hillsong, Elevation.
I wish it were only every third or 4th song, more like every other song.
Yep. I stopped listening to my local "Joy FM" station a long time ago. I recommend a streaming service like Spotify where you can find lots of good hymn playlists.
They've inundated every Christian music 🎶 sphere. Support independent Christian artists as well that stick directly to Biblical truth. Nothing wrong with praise and worship, just make sure you know who's making it and exactly what they believe about God/Jesus.
About 18 years ago, I couldn't stand the radio anymore and found out only 5 years ago why. Even without consciously knowing, my spirit couldn't stand it.
@debrahartley9254 I used to work part time in Christian radio many, many years ago. Its so sad that most stations don't seem to care they're playing music tied to false teachers.
My husband and I prayed over this kind of issue for a couple of years until God led us to the right place to worship Him.
It was pretty painful waiting times.
Thank God for His mercy that finally He answered our prayers.
Our church is one of the OPC in TX. We are now learning back again how to worship God properly as a whole congregation.
I have warned my church about Bethel, Elevation and Hillsong but I just get blown off.
Shake that DUST...Matthew 10: 14-16
I do know that furtick named his church after the elevation tour by u2. It's disclosed in a book that he wrote.
Then I suggest you Leave at Once!
Were they teaching any unbiblical things hillsong and such believes? Or are you just referring to songs that you think are bad just because some misguided ppl wrote them?
@jaybelle1909 Elevation and Hillsong preach the prosperity/word faith gospel. Bethel is a cult which is ground zero for the New Apostolic Reformation.
So happy my church sings from the hymnal. I love the old hymns.
So do I! And so does my daughter! 😊
Thankfully I’m about ready to move out of state. The small SBC church I go to sings whoever they want. They say nobody is perfect and we’d have to stop all songs…
No church discipline. I can’t wait for my house to sell and move. I’ve found a great church in the town I’m moving to.
I have recently stopped listening to any radio or TV at all and have adopted 1 Thessalonians 5:17 - Pray without ceasing. I have alone moments and I don’t have to be entertained by worldly things. I am driving along I just talk to God about anything that enters my mind. If a wicked thought enters my mind, I am so tuned in to God I can immediately say “Depart from me satan!” It has really brought peace to my life.
there are hillsong songs that have biblically sound lyrics. if a worship teams plays some hymns, contemporary songs, an aforemetioned hillsong song, I dont see the problem. The pastor is expository and no nonsense. I dont see where two or three hillsong songs among 100 or so other songs is a problem
agreed. my church rejects aspects of lutheran doctrine on communion but we still sing a mighty fortress. we reject aspects of wesleyan doctrine of salvation but still do o for a thousand tongues to sing. and nobody in our congregation knows or cares what the preacher at whatever ccm bands church teaches anyway. if the lyric to that song is biblical churches will want to sing it. and if the pastor of your actual church faithfully preaches from the bible you will survive that one in a hundred bethel song without concern
i love these two brothers in christ and will generally agree with them but i think they go little overboard on hillsong, bethel, etc. and then talk about dont leave your church over tertiary issues
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@@michaelking9460 Agreed - but realize when you sing Mighty Fortress or For a Thousand Tongues to Sing you aren't financially supporting either Lutherans or Wesleyans - but in the case of Hillsong and similar you are (if your church is doing the licensing through CCLI). Millions of dollars go to them from their song catalog every year.
@erickphd whole point of ccli is churches are covered for all the songs with one license. so if church wants to use songs from our hymnals printed in the 1970s they are still paying ccli whether they sing hillsong or not
victory in jesus 1939, in the garden 1912, and the old rugged cross 1913, are still under copyright. so if the church with hymnals still in the back of every pew wants to put those lyrics on the screen for the congregation with average age of 72 to actually see the words and sing, that church pays ccli to not steal the lyrics
I love Justin Peterson ♥️ I pray that he continues sharing The Truth.
I don't even bother with Christian music anymore. 😢 I'm listening to Strange Fire by John MacArthur. It's such an amazing book that lays out the history of Charismatic Christianity and Wealth and Health Gospel and gives so many references in the Bible that prove how messed up the theology is. My listening today quoted Justin Peters. I highly recommend it!!
Do you listen to hymns? Its super important to have hymns and spiritual songs, can I recommend Keith and krysten getty, the psalmist projects, etc!
EVERY PROBLEM IN CHURCHES TODAY HAS ITS ROOTS IN CHARISMATIC DECEPTION.
I went to the Strange Fire Conference. It was an amazing experience. I left the charismatic chaotic "church" that I used to attend. (Calvary Church of Albuquerque)
What a relief!
Try Greater Vision
So you stopped offering a sacrifice of praise to the Lord?
One thing I will say about Hillsong, is that the Holy Spirit used them when Jesus called this prodigal back home. Something was whispering to my spirit "Hillsong," and I looked on RUclips for it, and saw a listing for "I Surrender" and clicked on it, and was on my knees in tears halfway through it. And I was out of church the whole time that Hillsong was becoming a thing. That was the summer of 2022. Now, in early 2025, and over a year back, my Spotify playlists and suggestions are full of contemporary worship bands/albums with a much smaller audience and a lot less "major record deal" aspirations. Hillsong Worship: almost 6.5 million monthly listeners. Most of what I listen to now on Spotify have a couple of thousand. It's a lot different regime theologically and in genuine praise/worship.
My friend, there is a remnant in Bethel in Redding, but God is calling His children out of there. Same to you! Leave that emotive, blaring, sensitive, sensual music. ❤
@@sojourner2013did you not read his full comment
Thank you Todd and Justin for this discussion. Replacement theology and infant baptism are secondary issues, but significant. If you can live with these, good. We couldn't join a church who teaches that the church has replaced Israel, nor a church that baptises babies. Do your homework folks when seeking a church, we've been on a huge journey.....
Our church holds to RT & baby baptism, millions of years creation… and when I’ve talked to the pastor he just talks down to me or answers like a politician using big words and doesn’t really answer the question; the church in Australia is pretty weak IMO.
@@clarkemcclymont2879 I think that maybe I'd be leaving that church ....
“Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel” Romans 9:6
praise him with the clash of cymbals, praise him with resounding cymbals. Psalms 150:5
I'm all for old hyms, but to completely write off other instruments in worship music is biblically incorrect.
I think the point was sound doctrine in the songs, not the instruments used.
Psalms is referring to Old Testament Israel not New Testament christians. The only music that is mention is singing.
@@bobbymcglathery4468I agree we are not under Old Testament dictates in our worship, but we are told in the NT to "sing to ourselves in psalms and spiritual songs". I believe this does not dictate musical instruments, but types of words.
@@bobbymcglathery4468 If you throw that out, then toss out the whole book.
I’m not liking drums used in my church, string instruments, maybe a horn like a trumpet.
Justin isn’t saying anything about the type of instrument or genre in worship, idk why people keep making that up in the comments here.
Music and lyrics that are unbiblical and interested in emotionally manipulating you- are wrong. It’s quite simple.
He also suggests it's wrong to play modern instruments and sing modern songs... He thinks it's wrong to sing songs those churches wrote no matter if they are biblical or not simply because they may have different doctrine beliefs than him
If wish people would have noticed this truth as well-one that is "quite simple" to see. If the church [as a whole] was still singing the doctrinally/theologically sound hymns that sustained the church for centuries, this music discussion re: Hillsong, Bethel, Elevation, etc would be mute. Sadly, the church dismissed Gods word re: conforming to/being set apart from that which the world loves re: music-the image, sound, style, etc [Romans 12v2].
@@jaybelle1909Hillsong, Elevation, and Bethel don’t just have different stances- they preach heresy and error. They’re apostate. So there’s no excuse other than laziness for using even their songs that do pass a basic doctrinal sniff test. There are a massive number of biblically sound songs from biblically sound writers.
I didn’t notice the first time around that Todd mentioned biblical music- if his stance is that there are musical instruments that aren’t allowed in worship, I would disagree with that. I will say, as soon as the music becomes a distraction or becomes so loud that the congregation cannot hear each other sing, then it has become unbiblical worship. Congregational worship is primarily for the purpose of *singing together* to praise the Lord. If your worship is instrumental only, that is also not acceptable worship.
What if the music emotionally moves you toward God? Music is meant to move you. Otherwise what’s the point of it. You may as well just recite poetry and eliminate music altogether. I’m sorry but I don’t buy this legalistic stuff these guys are teaching. Jesus told us to go into the world and preach the gospel so people could be saved. That is our number one mission. False churches will crumble on their own they don’t need self-righteous Christians to make it their number one mission to “expose” them. Jesus said a nation divided against itself will fall. These guys are not helping the promotion of the Kingdom of God, they are divisive. Sorry to be so blunt but I’ve been a Christian for over 40 years and have witnessed how this kind of thinking has shipwrecked the spiritual journey of a lot of people, many who are now even questioning the existence of God.
@@marcelfrey9984 // Marcel, I'm sorry [truly], that you're confused with regards to music; specifically its intended purpose in the church.
1] it should reflect the truth of Gods word re: that which is known [sound doctrine/theology] so as to promote true worship
2] it should reflect our attitude towards Christ and our spiritual condition [re: that which pleases God]
3] it should NOT introduce aspects of todays culture as a means to "draw people" into church with what appeals to them [but instead]:
4] in every way it should be different, set apart, and alien to this fallen society since people view music as a reflection of "societal norms"
5] music *in the church* was never meant to be used *as a means to "emotionally move" people* [WHY?]
6] man wars with his emotions change due to sinful desires [Gal 5v16-24], but biblical truth and God do not change* [Mal 3v6; Heb 13v8]
The word "new" appears next to the word "song" in the Psalms more than any other term because it's a "new song" for the saints, and our "new song" is distinct and "set apart" from this worlds "old songs" [Ps 33v3; 40v3; 96v1; 98v1]. Please notice that these "new songs" do not point to US; we are not the intended subject-they speak of and *point to God and His Glory.* Music should be a means to promote true worship, not to "emotionally move" people. Hezekiah restored "worship" in the temple via music because "The Lord commanded it" [1 Chronicles 29v25]. I pray this helps.
As a newer (10 yr) worship leader, our Baptist church has already rid ourselves of Hillsong, Bethel, and Elevation songs... I still do some contemporary but watch the lyrics and performers carefully... we are near many Lutheran and prosperity megachurches in a prosperous city... small, biblical, but growing in good Christians... good advice episode...
Funny enough when the churches started singing hymns back in the day they started getting accused of using "Bar Music" along with some other colorful language. I don't think the style or instruments matter. I think it is about the lyrics and the people behind them. Is the theology sound? Song Writers have left Hillsong, Bethel, and Elevation. I don't think every song their name on is bad. A lot of them have bad theology or very little of it but there have been some Biblically sound songs though they might be few and far between. Though with some of them it is getting harder to trust.
What the songs and Sermons are filled with, ingredients (the pure Gospel of salvation through JESUS is the centre.
Elmbrook Church in Brookfield, Wisconsin used to be a good biblical church but after 2000 they moved to a seeker church using Bethel, Hillsong etc. I confronted the music leader and the pastor and elders and they ignored me. Initially “ I didn’t leave Elmbrook, Elmbrook left me.” So we left. Going to a great Baptist church now that is 45 minutes away. Elmbrook was 10 away.
Elmbrook just gives off mega church vibes. I’ve been there a couple of times. Saw a Jeremy camp concert there which was amazing however I went for a service once. For a 5000 seat sanctuary I never felt so alone. It was a sombering experience
I talked to my senior pastor about Bethel and Elevation music and he told me to give proof. I told him look at the churches and what they do. Bethel does "grave sucking" and Elevation has "prosperity teachings". Despite all that, I was told that if the song is praising God then it is fine. I said where it comes from matters. Maybe I have to think about moving to another church.
He told you he wanted to give you proof?
@@ThatOne77 LOL, yes! And he asked me are they qualified to say who is cult and who is not?
Same response at mine. I stay because my family understands the preaching due to intellectual issues.
Bethel songwriters are on record blaspheming and the leadership is in video admitting they use their music to manipulate people and that if people sing their songs they are in agreement with their decrees, heretical decrees.
Same thing happened at my church. The pastor said God can save anyone through even a secular song. I believe this to be true, but that is God doing the saving. It is a different matter for the Shepherd of the flock to bring the wolf into the church!" God does not want us to sin so grace can abound! The pastor did not agree. I left the church.
Pipe organ and old hymns?
What about below?
“With the ten-stringed lute and with the harp, With resounding music on the lyre.”
Psalm 92:3
It was a joke? Did you not notice the audience laughed!? Do you remember laughter?
@ I didn’t notice that, I am glad they weren’t saying that.
Anyone else feel like hearing “Shout to the Lord” would be by far, the least of their problems.
"Shout To The Lord", "Oceans" and "What a Beautiful Name" are all songs that touch my soul in worship. being an EXJW they wrecked me the first time I heard them. so I find in that context they are amazing songs in comparison to the music I had in the dead false religion of the Watchtower. so maybe that's why I find arguing about these songs as chirstians is a little silly. but also as a Baptist that's why I support local church independence. to me our church playing a song isn't to say "we support the writers and church organization who wrote it or produced it", its saying "we are performing this song because it affirms what we believe about God and our faith". because when we are singing great old hymns like "Amazing Grace", "Come Thou Fount", "Cornerstone", "Jesus Paid it All", "It is Well", etc, how many are thinking of who those writers were or the church they were involved in? not too many. we reflect on the words and what they mean.
@@AndyBCCAShout to the Lord points to God’s attributes. But Beautiful Name is fluff. God didn’t want heaven without us? Where is that in Scripture?
Justin Peters 'don't leave a church over secondary issues.'
Also Justin Peters 'If they play Hillsong, Bethel or Elevation, leave'
Bonus Justin 'Be at a church you can practice your spiritual gifts' (play it back, he said that. Pretty much)
Bonus Justin on other videos 'spiritual gifts have ceased!'
WHAT!? I'm so confused. Maybe I need to stay off youtube and stick to my Bible...
I agree that your first two points are contradictory. But I believe he's referring to the spiritual gifts mentioned in Romans 12 and 1 Peter 4 (among other places). And as a cessationist, he believes miracles of healing like what the apostles did by the power of the Holy Spirit has ceased.
Nailed it.
@hasanyoneseenmyark So prophecy mentioned in Rimans 12 is still continuing?
@ Not in the sense of the OT. Prophecy in this passage refers the endowment and speech of the Christian teachers. Basically, proclaiming what the Word says is how I understand it.
@@hasanyoneseenmyark If that's the case, then why does nobody translate it teaching and why is teaching listed in verse 7 separately. I don't think your response is supported by the text
Nearly ALL churches these days are compromised. But it says Hebrews 10:25 don't forsake the fellowship 🤦....it's so hard to know what to do!
If wish people would have noticed this easy to see truth that is rampant in todays church. If churches were still singing the doctrinally/theologically sound hymns that sustained the church for centuries, then this music discussion re: Hillsong, Bethel, Elevation, etc would be mute. Sadly, the church dismissed Gods word re: conforming to and/or being set apart from that which the world loves re: music-the image, sound, style, etc [Romans 12v2]. There simply wouldn't be a "market" for their music.
I live in Singapore and have searched for more than 10 years for a biblical church. There are so many wolves...During covid, I attended a chinese church where the pastor never went to seminary and plagiarised John McArthur ( most believers were from China who didn't understand English). The elders and church workers are his cronies and he hides heretical teaching by quoting RC and Paul Washer. I called him out and those who idolised him ostracised me. They call themselves life church and claim to share the gospel but it's a facade to feed the pastor n his family. I have left and since found a church that preaches the gospel and it's members are willing to journey together. Praise God for His loving mercy for me. ❤
Do you care to share what teaching you believed was Heretical?I'm familiar with the Authors you mentioned,but my love goes back further to 17th century Christian Authors of which I have many of their great writers in my library.
“The area of our researches has been as wide as the bounds of existing religious literature, American and British, Protestant and Romish; ancient and modern. Whatever may be thought of our taste we have used it without prejudice, and a good hymn has not been rejected because of the character of its author, or the heresies of the church in whose hymnal it first occurred; so long as the language and the spirit commended the hymn to our heart we included it, and believe that we have enriched our collection thereby. The range of subjects is very extensive, comprising not only direct praise, but doctrine, experience, and exhortation; thus enabling the saints according to apostolical command to edify one another in their spiritual songs.” - Charles Spurgeon
Even in Spurgeons day, warped views floated around! The "Prince of Preachers", will always have a voice!
Sturgeon was a sinner
@@Endofdays-ob6qz Sturgeon is a fish.
You are also a sinner - All have sinned and come short of the glory of God. Romans 3:21
That's why Spurgeon wrote, "All of Grace". Endofdays can also be saved! As Spurgeon would say, Look unto Jesus and be ye saved - all the ends of the earth. Isaiah 45:22; John 8:24
And this quote speaks to the fact that if the song doesn't have any false teaching itself, then it's probably ok to sing it yourself. However, in a context in which royalties from that song being played go to the church that sponsored it, then I wouldn't contribute to that, like listening to or watching it on RUclips or Spotify, or in a big church(that almost certainly pays them royalties).
@@turbo1gts "A Collection of Psalms and Hymns for Public, Social, and Private Worship", compiled by C.H. Spurgeon. 1866 Quote was from the Preface
When worship music is theologically correct but it is shunned because someone from Hillsong wrote it, then falling in the opposite ditch becomes an issue.
For me, it’s that they make money from that. In other words, I’m de facto supporting them and their false ministry. It’s not just because somebody from Hillsong wrote it. 🤷🏻♀️
@@luanneneill2877 I'm not sure how the copyright laws work for new worship music, but regardless it makes for a rather interesting dilemma.
When the old widow gave her last two mites to a temple system gone horribly wrong, was she wrong to support them?
@@rockzalt Yep, that’s exactly what the conundrum is!! 🤷🏻♀️
From my understanding, churches pay a licensing fee to CCCI (I think that’s the name) to be able to play whatever songs are in their domain and the artist/group gets a cut/royalty of that each time their song is used.
@@rockzalt In the case of the widow, I’d wager that she didn’t know that they were corrupt. Currently, we know the money goes to false ministries. I think that’s where the difference lies.
@ That adds another layer.
Unlike radio stations who pay song writers for their music and make a profit from it, churches are non-profit.
Mandatory charging other churches to use worship music may need a bit of overturning tables and whipping.
As I heard someone once say, "I'd rather listen to good secular music than bad Christian music."
True! At least they don't use God's name to make money.
I am like that, enjoying some secular tunes but still discerning greatly, and as a result I purge many secular tunes AND so-called "Christian" songs from my collection. K-Love and Family Life radio networks are forbidden in my home now. Both play the CCM that is of Hillsong and Bethel, plus the teaching ministries of false teachers. Very few Christian radio stations are biblically sound anymore. Sad 😢!
Every church and ministry is a business
@@bineoyou realize it costs money to further the kingdom right?
@@nostalgia6578delusional
If you’re a woman and you want to warn a pastor of quoting a wolf…and you go first to an elder, be prepared for being dismissed in your concern. A lot of elders are (sadly) “yes men” and I think, often bristle when a woman shares a concern. Especially when it comes to music. Most churches DON’T discern and don’t care about those who do.
I left a church over the felt needs, now they are teaching soul rhythms, completing their transition to Kundalini Christianity, they are full on CCM.
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A lot of good, solid churches are struggling with this very issue. "The Music"……I spoke with one of our Elders about our loud music, the spotlights, the fake fog on stage, the light board, the big LED screen behind the stage…..etc…. He said, "well a lot of churches are using the same music, the lights etc…." Also "the younger families like the uptempo music…if we went back to singing old hymns, the sanctuary would be empty in 3 weeks" ……that told me a lot !!!
Two words: Seeker. Sensitive. Entertainment should be outside of the sanctuary, not the main event in a Church service!
What exactly is wrong with all of that? Show me where it says in the Bible that is wrong? There is not only one way to worship. Worship is about lifting up the name of Jesus. My church uses these things and we absolutely praise Jesus in doing it.
It's hard enough to find a church in my area. The same people who talk about the importance of if being part of a local church tell you to leave the church for all the things mentioned. That only leaves me without a church.
I teach college level music majors, and I get many people interested in going into contemporary worship leading as musicians. I have warned a few of them already to be careful about what songs they use in their worship reading and I have specifically called out Hillsong. I hope they heeded my instruction and warning.
Here in Australia, hillsong in the day was very big here & christian stores had quite a big display of hillsong stuff like CD's, DVD's, clothing, etc...
Now..... very different....nothing of hillsong to be seen anywhere!
Blessings to you.
Thank you for this I needed to hear it everybody keeps telling me just deal with what you got!!! Unless God says stay I am not going to stay! You better be teaching God's word because Ibwill not settle!!!!!
I'll be sending an email to my leadership in the morning about this issue. Please pray it doesn't fall upon deaf ears!
Meet with them face to face. Ask them why.. ask questions and write down answers. Go to scripture for answers... don't listen to the eat the meat,spit out the bones nonsense
Make sure you ask them to research the writers of every hymn too. Wouldn't want to find out one of them wasn't a Christian or heretic either.
What issue? Do they preach what hillsong does, or are you just talking about them singing songs you think is bad?
@@sillyslappyyeah bring scripture and show them where the Bible says only sing songs out of The Faith we sing. Lol….the Bible says worship God, and as long as the song is worshipping God then who cares
@ We are to worship in spirit and in truth (John 4:23-24). The music from these group are tainted with half-truths and appeal to emotion. Not to say that all their songs aren't theologically sound, but why support the groups of heretical churches? Instead we are to expose the deeds of darkness (Eph. 5:11).
I cannot walk i'm handicapped stuck in my hospital bed at home. I was saved in this state few years ago , My only way of church is watching on youtube.
There are good Preachers on RUclips like John MacAurther, Gary Herrick. We watch them when we can't make it to church.
@NoreneCurran yes I do listen to John Macaurther / voddie bauchem / Paul washer / Tim Conway
I’m having the problem of going to a church that sings Hillsong, bethel, elevation, my conscience really struggles about continuing to attend but don’t there’s ni other church around me and don’t want to just stop congregating.
Can you show me where Hillsong promotes heresy in regards to a major Christian doctrine such as diety of Christ, virgin birth, salvation by grace through faith etc?
Allah and Jesus being the same way to God?
@@f15eagleger You're claiming Hillsong says that? Provide evidence.
@@johntrevett2944 have you watched that sermon? What did you interpret from it? I've watched it many times and tried to defend it myself and say it was taken out of context or that he misspoke. Let me know what you think about it.
I haven't listened to many of their songs cause I was warned since I was young. But I did serve at a church plant for 9 months last year that mostly did CCM songs, and thus included the 3 mentioned. The ones the church chose were okay doctrinally, but they were also very simple and repetitive, so there's not not much to nitpick.
As for Bethel, I'll give you a super obvious one. "There's No One Like You Lord" popped up on my Spotify, and I liked the musical arrangement enough to save it, but as I started to really listen to it, the chorus repeats "Worthy is the Lamb, Who was slain and seated on the throne, And there's no one like the Lord, All of the elders, creatures bow, Giving praise to Him and Him alone, 'Cause there's no one like the Lord"....but biblically, we're told countless times "Jesus is seated at the right hand of the Father", so He's not alone on the throne, and He's not the only one getting praise. They're teaching against the trinity and it could be very confusing to newer believers if they hear that songs first.
I don't doubt that Hillsong probably has some as well. I know the themes and messages of "Oceans" is often questioned since it's popular, but I can't personally say much since I haven't heard all of HIllsong's discography, only a handful. I wouldn't be surprised if they have something just as questionable, even if others haven't made a video talking about it yet. Songs take a lot of time to listen, so I wouldn't even care to dig deeper if I already know the church isn't standing on solid ground to begin with, just to prove a point. Enough people have warned against them, so I need to guard my heart and mind first~
Interesting video about a tough subject. Great job!!
Any song that acknowledges Jesus is Lord, our Saviour, the living Word, the only begotten Son of the Most High God, is acceptable for praise. God sorts out the hearts of those who sing His praises, He knows who is true, and who isnt ❤
Well, you are right in part. Praising Jesus is always a good thing. But how does the song present Jesus? As a Holy divine Son of the living God? Or as our buddy, or boyfriend?
Worship pastors use these songs if the lyrics are OK and in alignment with the Bible. They are using them to enhance the service.
Worship music has become a stumbling block for me. I used to serve on a worship team and in choir (for 20 years). Then, all of these people started coming out talking about Hillsong, Bethel, etc. I’m glad they did. I had some of the same reservations at times. Now, I’m totally clueless as to what we’re supposed to do for worship music. If we do all hymns, people leave or sleep. If we do the new stuff, it’s wrong. So what is the answer?
Is there no way to honor God with our worship without nitpicking everything apart? It seems as long as the lyrics are OK and your heart is in the right place that it may be it’s a good offering to the Lord. I don’t know all of the answers, but my heart is heavy. Because now I hardly worship in song at all, which is quite sad for someone who has been called to worship ministry. Now I just sit in the pews. 😢
I'll share my story. I grew up Seventh-Day Adventist, which was a mix of hymns and older Christian/gospel songs. When I read through the bible in high school (around 2011), I started realizing some flaws in our theology and was confused about the gospel, but before I could come to a conclusion, I just got caught up with work, school, dating, etc. A couple years ago, I realized how dark this world is and ran back to God, and finally understood the true gospel. I was truly transformed.
Now, I also took music all through school, but dabbled in various instruments, wasn't great at any. I had a band dream though, so before my revelation, I picked up guitar and started a rookie band. I never liked western secular music cause it was sexual and full of sin, violence, pride etc, but I loved Japanese music which was more positive, good messages, sang about courage and changing the world and standing up for what's right etc. But after I was transformed, I Just didn't care to listen to music. I preferred silence. I did listen to some old gospel songs I remembered, but I was also binging a lot of Christian RUclips videos, so I knew to beware of Bethel and Hillsong, and also found out singers my family used to listen to like Kirk Franklin are worldly and compromising, so it was dangerous grounds. I wasn't even sure what Sunday church to go to, so I went back to an SDA church for a few weeks, but the false doctrine was clear as day since they were covering Revelation that quarter, so I left, and told my mom I'm never going back. Thankfully, I moved out already, but we still live pretty close to each other.
So last year, a church reached out to me as they needed musicians. It was a church plant in the city over, but they could give me a ride. I did ask doctrinal questions and it seemed to check out, so I agreed to go. They were non-denominational, but Pentecostal in nature, which was new to me. They were all immigrants from Nigeria, but I'm born here and of Caribbean-descent, so they may naturally click but I'm already the odd one out. Anyways, I was expecting some complex gospel music since they're black, but they actually played CCM music, which was great for me to jump into with my skill level. This was the first time I really gave their songs a listen. A few, I heard before but didn't know it was Hillsong like Goodness of God, since I heard it first in the SDA church (made me cry), and then had Cece Winan's version on my phone. I had Spencer Smith's words in my head when screening them, and I see what he means by sorcery, in that it's just super catchy, super repeatitive, 'boyfriend' songs with Jesus replacing him, and not much doctrine. Since Pentecostals feels music is vital to 'worship', they aim for the feel good stuff. And since we were a small church and moved to a location without a projector/screen, songs that were easy for people to sing along with sounded like a benefit, but honestly, I still had issues.
Now, I knew I needed a church. I lost a lot of friends when I was reborn and was sharing, so I saw the need for a community. But I also wanted a place where I could truly grow in God. When everything started to click for me, like this world is evil, that everything here is temporary, just how much God desires to spend time with me, and how important my walk of holiness is when it comes to connecting with Him and leading others to Him, like, I want to be encourages and enlightened, and hopefully find others who are as passionate. I didn't find that there though. As much as people sang and spoke in tongues, they were more focused on the world. They read their bibles and such, but they were more concerned about work and finding a husband. The pastor preached the true gospel, but it was very seeker friendly. I'd ask him questions bout various things, but he said we shouldn't talk bad about ANY pastor, and how deeper bible stuff is for small groups, and how he'd avoid the question if a gay person asked if it was okay, and it was clear that he cared more about growing a church and being likeable. There were other things I questioned and argued about, cause his wife was also a pastor, things like tongues, or him pushing marriage on me when being single is even encouraged. He just felt he was right and would push his idea, even though I had a lot of verses supporting my views.
For me, worship isn't about music, it's a lifestyle, it's obedience, it's doing what God told us to do. But if we want to praise God, it should actually be focused on God. A lot of songs talk about what God does for us, and who He is to us, like how he provides, and helps us, and will bless us, and how He's a good father....and that's not completely bad, but it's focused on us and how we feel. I think if we're gonna worship God, we need to praise all his characteristics, not just His love, but His righteousness and justice, His wrath and jealousy, His strength and majesty. And if we're going to sing to minister to ourselves, hymns are better because they really tell us about the Christian walk, how we should think, how we should act, what the gospel is all about and so on.
So anyways, I left that church, not just for that, but because they weren't transparent. I was serving freely, and even volunteering and helping out with other things, but they were paying other musicians who didn't come prepared, and didn't even listen to the songs beforehand. I was already annoyed since they didn't seem to care or love my God, but made worse when I realized they were making money. We're a church plant that can barely afford rent! One time, the pastor even hired a muslim girl. I was already bothered when I found that out after service, but made worse when we kept chatting and she said that was the case. We need to worship God in spirit and in truth. But it was clear the pastor just wanted a big worship team and a big church to show off with, rather than asking himself what would God want and what would please Him the most. There was also other drama and such, and it just didn't feel worth it to wake up at 6am (when I normally wake up at 10), travelling an hour both ways, out for 6 hours a day, for a church where I'm not being fed at, and my passion and zeal for God is constantly being poured on with cold water, yet I was still being used to serve in various ways to help the church function and grow, so I was just burnt out.
I said I would wait for God before making assumptions and joining a church again, lest I be grieved once more. A Baptist church came to my door, and asked me if I knew the gospel, to explain it, if I felt I was saved and if I could lose my salvation, so we had a good discussion. Decided to check em out. Very small church. They use a hymnal, and lacking musicians, they had a piano recording playing, and his wife accompanied it with violin. Very hard hitting sermon, which I really appreciate. The members were friendly, mostly white and Asian, which I'm used to. I'm from Toronto, super multicultural, but I tend to fit in more with whites and Asians due to my interests, like musicals and anime haha. The wife and another lady did ask if I can sing or play anything, and they were excited I could, but they're not pushing. It's one of those 'if I want to one week, just let them know' thing.
I don't know if the above really answered your question. When I was at that church, I was thinking like you in that "if the lyrics of this specific song align, I guess it's okay?" but even then, the lyrics are rarely deep or anything to meditate on. Spotify recommended one of Bethel's newer songs "No One Like You Lord", and musically, I loved the arrangement, so I added it to liked songs. But maybe like 10 listens in, I was like "wait a second....". Main message of the song is that "Jesus is seated alone on his throne, him and him alone, there's no one like you Lord", but in the bible, we're told countless times, "Jesus is seated at the right hand of the Father". Sadly, many people don't read the bible, so they may not even realize this is clearly against the trinity and good doctrine. While I understanding wanting to be seeker sensitive to newbies, I think songs that either don't share anything about the bible or that slip in questionable things can lead them astray or allow them to be comfortable with a very basic Christianity. I heard another video put it best, a lot of evangelical churches are just 'a cheap concert and a ted talk', and I had to agree.
Music is beautiful and amazing, but Satan was a worship leader and he now uses music to cause many to sin, planting toxic seeds, incantations about pride and wickedness. I got so annoyed when I used to scroll reels and songs like "Bodyshop" or Doja Cats "Shes the devil" song would come up. I would never listen to these songs, but they would pop up so much that even if I heard a millisecond of it, it would be stuck in my head again, and I would forcibly try to kick it out. I think some CCM songs and artists are okay, but if we were to have anything looping in our heads, I think it's much better if it's something that would actually strengthen us, cause it's built on good doctrine or even quotes a verse, instead of just something that makes us hum, ya know? Hope that helps!
This is helpful for us to make a decision about our church. Our worship in church ( music and Gods word) is to a Holy God and we should not be changing how we worship to please men! This is exactly how Satan is infiltrating our churches 😢 through the music!
My church played “The Chipmunk Song” at the end of our Christmas Eve service as the recessional.
We sing a lot of the unholy trinity’s music. I don’t; I sit in the narthex for the whole service because not only do I hate the music, 86 decibels is well beyond my comfort level. (Yes, I measured it and that was the max., 80 was the average)
Edit: the teaching is solid; the music “ministry” is where the trouble lies.
You are so right, sir. Staying in a false church - or even a 'weak' church - would be like dropping a hot coal into cold embers. Ain't gonna last long. 😕
A new ministry: grumpy old men.
There is no perfect church. Stop the leaving and perseverance of the saints is needed. Correction is needed. Especially in the broken churches. Keep proclaiming the Gospel. Be bold. Have them push you out. Then find a church a faithful sound church. Maybe I am in error?
Agree on no perfect church and each situation is different, we left a church after 20 years, my wife felt that she could change a church from the inside and made a little bit of progress initially but as Justin said this starts with the church leadership and for every perceived step forward there were 2 immediately backwards, where does the line get drawn? We had female preachers, Bethel teachings, Sozo and School of Super Natural Ministry a very weak/ false gospel (life enhancement and downplaying of sin) no church discipline and much much more, there were many very kind people who love God but are greatly deceived, Famine In The Land have done a good piece on issues to look out for, we still battle with how much we say to people we left behind in that movement. Matthew 7 22-23 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy by thy name, and by thy name cast out demons, and by thy name do many mighty works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
Or if your church loves The Gospel Coalition!
Just curious and throwing this out there, is it okay to still play some of these Bethel, Hillsong, Elevation, etc. songs if it’s leading people to worship? I am not a fan of those churches’ teachings sometimes, but if the song is theologically sound, does that make it acceptable? Also too, I’ve noticed more songs from these groups are coming straight from scripture. So how do you answer that, if they are singing a passage from Psalms or Corinthians, how is that okay to rebuke?
Nobody says they can’t sometimes produce good music or theologically correct songs. Sara won’t be that obvious to have them all be terrible. But the root of their fruit is evil. They preach another Jesus. Bill johnson literally has said Jesus left his deity to perform miracles not as God. And that Jesus was the first to be born again! No! There’s so much more heresy you’ll find about these organizations if one looks. So yes it should matter to every pastor if they’re playing this music they’re endorsing heresy and funding false teachers to continue their message
I wouldn’t, because by playing their songs (Biblical or not), #1 you’re funding their church, #2) people WILL look up those songs and can be lead to watch their sermons/follow them on social media. That’s giving the enemy a foothold into your congregation.
@@MagnoliaViewAcademy-pm7yq that means you'd have to keep pressing "skip" on the random Christian music playlist on your Spotify because most of them contain songs from Bethel, Elevation and Hillsong. 😅
To be clear, you are against Hillsongs music even if the songs are Bible based to prevent people unintentionally funding their church but yet you have no problem funding YT (a very secular non-Christian org) by regularly using this platform? 🤔.
@rosieds4996 out of curiosity, have you physically attend any of their service?
I’ve attended Hillsong for over 20 years, and I can tell you things are changing. New leadership is in place, and board members have been replaced in the past two years.
Anyone in Texas? Anyone know of a place to gather. Where TRUE brothers and sisters meet? I've not set foot into a church in nearly 8 years, not because I'm not a believer, merely because I want to hear the Word and fellowship with real believers. If this is picky, I'm not sorry, I want to grow closer to God, I don't want to backpeddal.
Another Calvinist…another one who judges clearly with an agenda. Do i listen to, read, or put on anything from Bill Johnson? NO NO NO. But neither do i listen to, read or put anything into my ears from a Calvinist. OR one who when you read and listen comes across hating, well disliking women. Sorry folks this was propaganda. Pray for the Holy Spirit to guide you where you should be. And remember Jesus absolutely LOVED women. Answer this who was probably the first evangelist in the Bible? the woman at the well. READ the whole story….
Bob Kauflin from Sovereign Grace told me that they sing some Hillsong from time to time. How do we treat those brothers then if that is the case? I love you guys and stand beside 99% of your teaching but you can't sit there and proclaim that any church that sings Hillsong is then on a downward spiral to become more seeker sensitive. It's just not true.
Brother, thank You for bring the Truth. Because GOD is using This to wake people up. And Yes that’s people in the Church ‼️And you’re so right about leaving the Church, It’s Better to Save Your Soul, than JESUS NOT KNOWING YOU 💙🙏💙💙🙏🙏💙
My question is how to tell how to tell if a hymn is from Bethel, Elevation, or Hillsong.
Singing Hillsong songs, even the ones with biblical words, gives a foothold to satan into our churches. Even Satan can recite scripture. God will not bless our churches if we worship Him not in purity. We need to reject our itching ears. May we praise and worship our Lord to please and glorify Him. 🙏🏼
I think we are to go to the pastor if the music director won’t hear you.
Then see what happens and maybe leave if the pastor won’t deal with it.
Saying that, I’ve been to a lot of churches moving around the country with the military, and I’ve never seen one do church discipline per the Bible, although our current church is close…the current issue handling is tbd…and the pastor preaches the whole Gospel in truth, isn’t afraid of any topic.👍🏼☝🏼✝ 🎉
The great christian hymn "Amazing grace" doesn't mention God or Jesus at all. So why do some blast modern gospel songs when some oldies are questionable for not praising God?
They know the story behind the song. It was written by a rather unholy slave trader who came to know Jesus as his Savior and turned his life around.
You can confess every ugly sin and receive grace, but DON'T you dare criticize the music! I left for a reformed church. Old hymns, new melodies...deep theology and deeper love. 🤲👑🙌❤
When I first began to truly follow Jesus as a young adult I found a fellowship that taught verses out of the bible to sing. I know iver 80 verses just from singing them over and over for 6 OR7 years. Thanks D Hall! In Las Cruces, NM
Im assuming everyone that is against this music doesn't own a tv or have cable or streaming services. Obviously the people that put that out isnt Christian so by your standards you better not have these things. Which obviously the tv content is even less Chritian than this music.
Also logos software has some books that arent good doctrine so you better stop using logos too.
Or we can just use what aligns with scripture and dont what doesn't instead of trying to find ways to eliminate everything that isnt made by christians...we may end up starving cause all farmers etc christian?
So now confessing and accepting Jesus as your Lord and Saviour is not enough? Must we all attack each other churches just because they sing wrong words? Someone need to tell me what they are because so many songs are quoted straight from the Bible verses. I never been a Hillsong member but at times when I go there (for accepting friends invitations when they have special celebrations) I feel God's presence and speaking right to my soul through their messages and fellowships and not always through the praise and worships because the fact is I dont even like most of their songs. I am a veteran musicians who loves Motowns, Country, Smooth Jazz genres so I dont even go to Hillsongs because of their songs but how can you guys pass condemnations and judgements to people who have the same end goal as you which is to glorify and praise God? Surely God is pleased with that? Why aren't you?
Doctrine matters. And their false doctrines do often come through in their music with word of faith decree and declaring things into their music.
That’s the problem though- at their core, Bethel, Elevation, Hillsong, etc preach another gospel. That’s a serious doctrine issue!
@@MagnoliaViewAcademy-pm7yq pardon my ignorance and I am genuinely interested and would like to ask you to give some examples of "another gospel" you are referring to. I visited Hillsong a while ago and all I remember is that the message was Jesus centered.
@@MagnoliaViewAcademy-pm7yqelevation absolutely does not. That is a lie.
Thank you both
I really need someone, ANYONE to tell me how pipe organ is THE biblical way to worship?? Am I missing something here?
It isn’t. I think Todd was making a joke about it as many people do believe that ( which is it true of course)
Just a joke squeezed in.
Like this one, if the king James is good enough for the Apostle Paul, then its good enough for me.
@@Carlos-bz8vd
Sarcasm! Todd has lots of fun with it. Blessings to you!
All I know is drums don't belong in the sanctuary.
@@MKCarol-ms7lg that's right!
Piano is a percussion instrument
that also should be banned from all sanctuaries. This is coming from a bass player, the friend of drummers.
how do i know what a hillsong song is?? i am a newer Christian and this is a sincere question
Look up the artist! Example would be look up "Who wrote What a wonderful name it is" and it will tell you the artist. I'd avoid Hillsong, Bethel, and Elevation as they are all three in the same category
@@olson_mediathat's a good idea, I do not bring my phone into church but I'll consider it as I learn! thank you
if it sounds like Jesus is my boyfriend, def bethel/hillsong/elevation
@@MsQ275A church is required to add the license info on the slides (artist, publisher). Normally it will be there but not always.
They are a cult from Australia...
their music is used widely in Charismatic,Word of Faith, "Prosperity Gospel, & Pentecostal Churches that are influenced by those movements.
When you read the lyrics on the wall, or off a sheet, they will say "Hillsong". I confess I used to listen to some of their music when they first arrived on the scene. Now, most is either unscriptural, or appeals to folks flesh & emotions.
Life is too short to sing weak (or bad) hymns.
bethel & hillsong are pablum (at best)
The band and the church fell short. That doesn’t make the music evil. God makes beautiful things out of the dust.
I was aware of this, to never compare the style of preaching of different pastors and elders in the church, thanks to this verse. Although, I have heard from fellow believers that, X is better than Y. By all means, read the full chapter or if you’re pumped, read the whole book of Corinthians.⬇️
12 Now I mean this, that each one of you is saying, "I am of Paul," and "I of Apollos," and "I of Cephas," and "I of Christ."
13 Has Christ been divided? Paul was not crucified for you, was he? Or were you baptized in the name of Paul? (1 Corinthians 1:12-13)
It's not the style dear, it's whether it is the word of truth, delivered IN truth or filtered through the filter if a man's EGO.
ALWAYS bring a bible with a concordance and find supporting scripture, previous and following verses for context and verify what is said. I have strongly disagreed with a pastor but went home and studied the topic more. I can tell if it's a rerun sermon from years ago as well.
Sometimes the bible study is worth more than a 15 minute sermon. If it is a good sermon I don't want to go home! But they work on a timer
I used to think it was this easy, but it’s not. Some Hillsong songs have better theology than John MacArthur. Our local cafe played “Good Grace” which clearly states “our salvation is in His blood.” MacArthur has made confusing and contradictory claims on this in the past. Also, eschatology is way underrated.The “secondary” and “tertiary” labels are made up and can easily lead to a disjointed hermeneutic.
My church is awesome it preaches biblically accurate doctrine and heavy on repentance not trying hide anything. Yet, they do use the elevation and hillsong worship songs here and there and I just don't see that being a reason to abandon a church entirely. He isn't looking at the person who made the song but the intent of the heart.
But we can’t judge their hearts only the truth or lies coming from their lips. And bethel, Hillsong elevation Jesus culture, etc. are all bad fruits from bad trees as their doctrine is not biblical and even preaching another Jesus. There’s so much proof online to this if people will look. But many don’t want to give up their previous favorite songs to stand for truth!
@@rosieds4996that is such crap. I have been listening to those groups music for years and there is absolutely no false doctrine in their music. They are powerful songs to God. People in these comments are giving Pharisee vibes hardcore.
There isn’t anything wrong with those groups music. I’ve been listening to them for years. If there were I wouldn’t still be. These people are so focused on a speck in others eyes they don’t see the plank in their own eye.
I am a very conservative Christian and some of my favorite songs are Hillsong, Smith, Tomlin, Bethel, Jesus image, A little emotional but beautiful melody's. Even Jimmy Swaggart whom I am sickened by has great gospel music (older hymns). When they stop singing I check out, and get some word from Macarthur.
I don't think I'd even recognize Hillsong music as theirs, and I can't name the original sources of most of the songs I hear in church. I do pay attention to the words, and I will object to false doctrine from the stage either in the teaching or the music. But if the doctrine in the lyrics is sound, I do not feel an added burden to search out every one of the original sources and do a background on them.
Why is it somehow insufficient to know the Bible and test the lyrics against Scripture? Are you really asserting that we need to do backgrounds on all the original artists? Why do we need to develop, maintain, and enforce a list of "unacceptable" artists?
After being educated on how Hillsong, Bethel and Elevation does things at their churches, I do avoid their music, but I still love my modern Christian music that I grew up on. It seems to me that along with Justin Peter's disdain for their music, he also seems to disapprove of modern styles of music that isn't in the hymn modal of chord progression. If it isn't a "blue-haired Betty" plunking away at an organ or piano, along with a congregation that couldn't find the right key to sing in to save their lives, it doesn't belong in the church. I do understand that songs we sing in church aren't necessarily for us to think it sounds pretty, but for the Lord to be praised and worshipped. So, what do we do? Go all the way back to the "true" traditional music of the early church? I hope everyone likes Gregorian chants. Or maybe go back even farther to King David and bring back harps for everyone. Well, that's my thoughts about the subject. Have a blessed day in the Lord.
Ya, I love Todd, but in this area he seems to have a really hard time understanding the difference between preference and what Christian music is - most of the time he is really talking about his preference. If a church just had traditional music I probably show up late a lot more. Worship music is supposed to be a time that brings you closer to God, but if you can’t stand the style of the music it’s not going to do that. There is nothing unchristian about having musical preferences.
I just started back at church post a major break at our past church that a lot broke off due to harsh ruling and money control. And aweful tactics. Haven’t been to one for a while after that happened. New church we started at is nondenom and quite large and I love they have great children’s ministry. But we are on week six and we have barely been greeted I’ve never spoken to the pastor really and they sing modern music for 30mins and have one 30 min Sunday service a week. They have a Bible study Wednesday evening. No prayers no leader in the room. We watch another church on the tv. I’ve never heard the gospel or alter call. They had a baptism that happened on the side of the stage in the middle of a song and then walked bake stage. Don’t know who it was or her story. Know one even talked about the fact that she accepted Christ. We’ve tried other churches near me and still I haven’t found a fit. Am I being picky or are my convictions right? I’m used to old school traditional Baptist church but it became so legalistic and not cultivating my growth due to shame of my lack of knowledge. I just want an accepting church family with kids ministry and firm grounding on the word. I’ve come a long way with online ministry and learning to Bible study and I want more. I feel so distraught because I can’t drive 30+ mins to church after school and work and back before bedtime for my kids if we go that far. Am I being too picky? And if I leave the nondenom church to I talk to leadership before i go? Ask why they don’t share the gospel?
Judging is one thing, discernment of what is evil/unbiblical or good is one thing.
Thank you, brothers!
I’m very ignorant, please tell me what is hillsong and bethel?
I have heard that about staying in a church you see not following biblical teaching.... I understand about questioning but they evade or ignore so you must leave to protect oneself & family if you have one
Errr, only 'old music' is Biblical. No it isn't. And did the churches in Paul's time only sing old songs using a pipe organ. Clearly not. Cool, you don't like Hillsong, but other instruments and new songs are hardly unBiblical. You are destroying your own argument. Discernment is important, but consider that the writers of many old hymns had some issues in their lives also.
Jesus sang hymns with the disciples before He ascended to heaven. That's the type of music we should be singing in churches not the rock and roll hillsongs
I’m pretty sure you missed the WHOLE POINT of the video….
I'd say just ditch Hillsong songs entirely, nevermind the rock and roll style.
I guarantee that first century hymns were far different musically than what’s in your hymnal today.
I will listen to Hillsong any day over listening to wonky wacky false teaching Calvinists like Friel and Peter. 😂 Divisive Calvinistic hypocrites.
What if my church sings "Oh Holy Night?" is that as bad as Hillsong?
Wait. Wut? I am not leaving my church because we sing a song from Hillsong. Am I suppose to quit saying the Lord's Prayer just because I hear them saying it at Smiling Joes's church? How do we know that "Traditional" church songs were writen by someone who never sinned? Sorry. Just not diggin' this video.
Read 1Cor 5 (very short chapter) and then come back and concentrate on verses 6 and 7 (Do you not know that a little leaven ferments the whole batch of dough?) and verse 11 (But now I am writing you to stop keeping company -- not even eating with such a man). I know there are many people who say that the ministry (songs, church, evangelism, missionary) are bringing people to Jesus and they might be at first but eventually because of the wrong teaching the holy spirit won’t be there. The church will tickle people’s ears to stay in business or die altogether. In the mean time those people will be worse off than they were before. They will end up hating Jesus or following the wide road and not even know it.
Since I can remember (maybe 5 years old) I have wanted to know God and searched for him my whole life (I will be 55 this year). I have been in and out of churches and through many different “Christian” organizations. Every church I left had a serious fatal flaw but in all cases I hadn’t been there long enough to do anything about it. Currently I have been out of church at least 3 years and it bothers me that I am not among brothers. I study the bible (not just read) every day. I must say life is so much easier if I start my day in prayer because it keeps my mind on God all day long. I will say this (simplified) One God, the fall of man, what sin is (the law), the son of God Jesus, why Jesus suffered Gods wrath and died, Jesus rose and sits as our intercessor, Gods final judgement, 2 greatest commandments, finally your heart condition on everything above. Any organization that defers from this in the slightest, have nothing to do with them. Eve was deceived, don’t think you can’t be. Read the bible and pray; you can fight the enemy.
Thank you for that Bible reference. I read it and agree. A little leaven leaven’s the whole lump. But that’s what many are trying to do today, make little of this issue but it’s no small issue. I will refer to that verse also when I speak to my pastor about this soon.
@2:42 Wouldn't you go to the Pastor & Elders next instead of just finding another church? I think going to the pastor & Elders to talk to them about it would edify that church. If the Pastor then say's naa, we're still going to be listening to Hillsong, then I'd be looking.
I DID AND GOT BLOWN OFF. IN ANOTHER CHURCH NOW THAT WON'T PAY HERETICS MUSIC ROYALTIES!
What do you do when ALL the churches in your city and surrounds play one of these organisations songs. Ive spent the last 3 years leaving chirches who do this and after warning them but being ignored ive come full circle. No churches left.
I cant start a church. Im a single mom, my hands are full.
I rely on watching sermons from John McArthur, Voddie, Zac Poonen and other amazing bible based teachers who are inspired by the Holy Spirit.
This vid is total legalism that shows no love for people! Run from this stuff!
Exactly!
The issue with Christian music today is it’s bland. When I became a Christian - Third Day was fresh, Toby Mac, Mercy Me, Switchfoot were all great. Now? Everything sounds like Michael W. Smith. Just not my style. Music is an art and art is meant to inspire. When all the music has the same sound and it’s not a music type that appeals to you, well, it’s not something you will listen to. I don’t really listen to the Bethel stuff, but artistically I can see why people do - it’s much more musically and artistically appealing.
It’s all pop nowadays. There was individuality back in the 70’s and no one sounded the same. I guess up until around 1989 that was the golden age of Jesus Music and CCM although stuff got real popish and commercial before that. I get that the style isn’t the issue here but I think there was less heresy and trendy stuff in CCM back then.
So what if you confront your church about playing those song and they use excuses about how some of the people who wrote some of the old hymns and how unbiblical some of their beliefs or lives were? That's what mine has done and now to keep people from saying anything they just stopped showing who wrote the songs.
Time to leave... that's what my husband and I had to do... we saw the direction the church was heading in, and none of the leaders reached out to talk to us. They'd reach out if we missed 2 Sunday's in a row... stopped going in June... crickets
I mean they're not wrong - I think we need to remember that songs aimed for glorifying God in corporate worship will encompass that imperfection becuse the reality is all songs come from imperfect bodies (did you know the song 'O, Holy Night' was actually written by an atheist?) and I say this - you can in good faith be in a theologically solid church and sing some of Hillsong songs , not because of who Hillsong is, but because of what some of their songs reflect corporately about who God is . Just because a song was made 300+ years ago, it doesn't make it more revering to God and equally, a song made in the modern day with all the knowledge we may have, isn't better either. Look at the lyrics and discern accordingly.
Anecdotally, my church mainly sings Sovereign Grace music, City Alight, the Gettys and older hymns but we have a few Hillsong songs that are sung but all the ones that are are gospel pointing. In my own daily life, Sovereign Grace Music, City Alight , Emu Music and the Gettys make up my playlist and yet, I can sing those songs in a corporate setting because the songs are pointing to the nature of God and not to me.
@@enigma4526well said. Now I have to update my Christmas playlist 🤣 jk.
Wonder if people prostrate when they worship. Do they have a prostrate pastor?
"Find some like-minded believers and start a church."
And if none of them meet the qualifications of eldership?
Can someone please explain what’s wrong with hillsong and bethel. Thanks
“You’re not going to change the church from the bottom up.”
I love that. I’m grateful that God got me out of the charismatic church. They were great people who did wonderful work in the community, but there was no practice of church discipline, the sermons, especially the ones from the lead pastor, were more like TED Talks, the stances on topics like healing and speaking in tongues did not line up with scripture, and most of the music came from Bethel and Elevation.
I now attend a small Lutheran church and I love it. The gospel is presented each week, the word is exposited, the music comes from the hymnal, and there’s no chaos.
The main (and perhaps only) criteria for judging whether a song is worthy of singing in church should be the lyrics themselves. Are they Biblical? Do they glorify God? If so, then I don’t care who wrote it. If it’s true; if it’s honoring to Christ, then I say “Sing it!” At that point, it has nothing to do with where it originated.
This persons entire ministry is built around picking on those who do not agree with his ways...but of course he thinks they are GOD's way....
What about the gaither gospel group?
I have been wondering this also. I sing a lot of the songs they sing, always loved watching them also. But they have been bringing in a lot of the music I've ran from.
CHARISMANIA....
Aligned with Word of Faith heretic Kenneth Copeland.
How do we know if our church is practicing church discipline? What types of sins would require church discipline?
How is it biblical to worship with songs written centuries after the biblical times by people whose hearts we can’t know accompanied by pipe organ?
I have enjoyed your work for a while now. I think I first saw you on the Fox News channel late at night years ago.
I am also a believer who put my trust in our Savior Jesus Christ many years ago.
With that said, I'm not sure I agree or see the validity of abstaining from "Hillsong" worship songs if they are theologically sound, or at least not promoting any views that's contrary to God's Word.
That said, all music was contemporary/new at one point or another.
I am a musician who has taught music and the guitar/bass to people for over 20 years. I see music as a gift to the soul. It helps bring out those emotions while we worship our Lord and Savior through song.
I appreciate your videos, and we align on most things, but this anti-Hillsong viewpoint, I'm not sure we agree.
Take care!
why keep promoting justin when hes a calvanist and their doctrine is not the gospel........