More TRANSWARP Technologies
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- Опубликовано: 19 июл 2024
- There are still more transwarp technologies out there that Starfleet and the Federation has encountered that far outstrip standard warp speed.
This video aims to look at these and why Starfleet has yet to seriously undertake research into each one from the Voth to the Borg.
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I like your idea of why the Xindi would have to stop using the vortex stuff, it makes sense that while the Delphic Expanse was being manipulated it would allow that kind of travel, but then after the sphere builders were stopped and the space returns to normal that wouldn't work then, and just faded away and they had to use regular warp again. It makes a lot of sense.
It's a useful but of retroactive headcannon that always made sense to me. So much about the Xindi was truly alien and I found that rather refreshing.
In a regard of NX-01's coming in touch with Xindi's Vortex FTL drive, when you take scans of something, some new technology in this case, it does not automatically mean that you will be able to re-create it within the confines of your own technology and scientific knowledge.
My head-canon is that Xindi simply wanted to stay away after the hapless war and I, myself, would definitely not feel like having the cheek to try and befriend someone whom I wanted and TRIED to brutally annihilate just a few days ago.
And this sentiment would likely last for at least a couple of generations.
Therefore, one does not have to try and think up convoluted and contrived reasons as to why the Starfleet did not get their hands on Xindi's, or Xindi-based, tech before the 25th century.
Simply put, the technology did not have to stop working at all, but all in all, Rick's aforementioned idea is also quite a nice head-canon. I wouldn't mind it.
@Ganda Gandara you misspelled ST:D. :-|
@Ganda Gandara fair enough
I genuinely never considered that would happen. Need to find and iron out an FB post I made on this.
"Transwarp" just seems like a catch all term for any technology that allows speeds beyond whatever the current standards are and once the tech prolifirates enough to become the new standard it ceases being transwarp and is just simply "Warp". So for example if a TNG era Federation ship was somehow sent back in time to the TOS era and captured by Starfleet of the time, to the people of the era that ship would have Transwarp, but once it has been reverse engineered and put out fleet wide it is just warp to them now. Which brings up questions about the Kelvin Timeline I suppose.
I think that the Kelvin timeline "warp" is some sort of reversed engineered slipstream drive, if you think about it, it looks similar in a way.
@@ROBERTO-in2iq
In the "Kelvin" universe (Honestly calling it that feels like a insult. We'll just name it based on the FIRST SHIP we see on screen. I prefer Alternate Universe #4 or AU4), What is normally considered Transwarp, in the original universe, is possibly just a nature evolution of Warp. This as the Federation and Starfleet are much more direct, even aggressive, about using concepts and advances by other races brought into the Federation. Vulcans, for example, had warp far longer than most and likely had a lot of ideas they were "too logical" to just try.
Plus, Kelvin was also a reference to JJ's uncle.
Catchphrase like transsexual, transgender, transphobia, transogyny?
@@DMSProduktions
Catchall: a term or category that encompasses a variety of different elements.
Catchphrase: a well-known sentence or phrase, especially one that is associated with a particular famous person.
Neither has anything to do with what you wrote. Makes no sense even as a mockery. Bet you thought you were being clever huh?
One interesting thing about Voth ships and future Federation ships I found is that the Wells class Timeships have the same glowing tail end as the Voth capital ships (there are horizontal striped around the glowing section). I wonder if Federation in 29th century managed to create the same tech as the Voth. Also, it might have something to do with taking the ship out of phase with the normal spacetime, in which case both Excelsior experiment and that Interphasic cloaking device from TNG might have been re-purposed to achieve transwarp.
Good catch.
@@chrissonofpear1384 It might even be Voth transwarp tech that is used on the Wells class. We don't see much of that time period, but perhaps by that point Voth and Federation had "proper" contact and are allies or have even merged.
If Scotty hadn't stolen those important bolts from the Excelsior, the Federation would have had transwarp back in the late/movie TOS era ^_^
Question not the acts of the Miracle Worker. He knows ALL.
"Deemed a failure"
Even though they redid the entire warp scale... I'm glad you agree at least a little that the experiment wasn't a failure.
Granted it helped to further refine current warp tech, but they never to managed to achieve their primary goal of replicating the interphasic phenomenon encountered by the tos enterprise after first contact with the tholians and incorporating the effect to vastly improve the travel distances achievable by the warp drive if that time.
Or it was the harnessing of reliable Wormhole effect (TMP) per Starfleet Dynamics tech book.
If I remember it correctly, 24th century's Warp 10 was something like Warp 18.75 in the 23rd century with their old scaling.
No, it's infinite, for all the sense that makes.
18.75 is only 6,591.8 times lightspeed on old scale.
Sorry, my bad.
I know that Warp 10 is unachievable under normal circumstances.
I rather meant something like Warp 9.9999999999.........
I found it:
""Gene Roddenberry established the maximum velocity of the starship as ".73 of one light year per hour". This would translate to a top speed of approximately 6,400 c (equivalent to TOS warp 18.57, or somewhere between TNG warp 9.9 and 9.99)""
You missed out the Sikarian's and their subspace trajector. Even though it wasn't used to power a starship it could move a group of people ~40,000 lightyears almost instantaneously. I think that this counts as a type of transwarp that negates the need for starships altogether.
Related, there were a few TNG episodes dealing with long distance transporter technologies. Some not routinely used because they weren't up to Starfleet usual safety standards. One blown up before it could be properly studied for plot reasons.
And then there are the Vaadwaur and their tunnels
fun fact about that trajector is that it could catapult a ship across space faster than you can say it could catapult a ship across space....
As long as you know your destination why not Stargate; or Sikarian Gate?
Just paint the ships red, that will make them go faster XD
Would everyone on it were a red shirt?
@@Corvus__ ooh hadn't thought of that, ship full of red shirts, something goes wrong and they are red paste on the back wall....
@@chrisgurney2467 LOL! What a red-! Err I mean rad joke!
Don't forget the stickers.
Borla stickers optimize exhaust flow.
K&N stickers for improving the Bussard collectors efficiency.
Bilstein stickers keep the structural integrity field at peak performance.
Hurst stickers will improve transitions from sublight to warp.
Holley stickers maintain matter-antimatter ratios.
Nonsense, we all know RGB makes everything much faster than just paint!
The voth has transwarp technology too
Voyager did have transwarp they called “enhanced warp” in the episode where they discover they are the silver blood people. And it would take 2 years to get back to the earth using it.
Also the vortex travel also exited in the delta quadrant in the episode dragons teeth
Maybe it’s a natural phenomenon but doesn’t exists everywhere and not known by everyone
ah your talking about the enhanced Warp the USS Equinox was using to travel without dilithium crystals
Then there's the Soliton Wave FTL system and the Displacement Wave used to take Voyager into the Delta quadrant :).
That "soliton wave" system may have been a failure as propulsion (at least baring some stabilization refinements), but would have been an interesting WMD launched towards enemy planets. The Federation would be squeamish about using it as such, but the Romulins, Cardasians, or elements like section 31 would be very interested.
My understanding of Starfleets Transwarp was the transporter systems were beaming the sub space bubble ahead of the ship thereby allowing the ship to be pulled rather than pushing itself through subspace.
Beaming the radiation & particle build up that causes the most problems at higher speeds out of the way would be an interesting work around too or even actively collecting it somehow. The Bog just shove it aside like a snowplow, & Slipstream seems to try to avoid it some other way, But we can see a not properly equipped ship will kill itself if it goes into a Transwarp tunnel for more than a short period of time.- as happened with the Enterprise D when it was following Lore and the Rogue Borg.
Where the technology is not explained, the fanwanking comes in to fill the vacuum
Was that in Mr Scott's Guide to the Enterprise, Jeff Hallam?
:Or the Starfleet Dnyamics tech book? (both of which I have)
In the 80s TOS comics, besides the transwarp experiment, there was also the HyperWarp experiment. Coincidentally, the test ship&Enterprise ends up in the realm of the Companion which sounds way too similar to the realm that the Traveler had taken the Ent-D in the first episodes of TNG. Also as for the Warp10, looks like there's a temporal barrier for reaching transwarp just like there's a temporal barrier as a ship reaches lightspeed. The Voth's personal phase cloak could be a temporal based phase cloak(TOS&Voyager episode), so they could had broken the Warp10 temporal barrier by using their temporal phase cloak to cancel the effects of hyper evolution. Note that the Excelsior Transwarp experiment was based on the Interphase/cloak after the Enterprise encountered the Tholian Web's Interphase field.
And the fake 'hyperwarp' used to trick Romulans in the Serpents Among the Ruins novel...
A real pity that the “great experiment” crossed paths with Mr. Scott! Had they kept either the Enterprise or the Excelsior somewhere else, it’s likely the outcome would have been different, as our favorite Chief Engineer would then not have taken the control chips on a one-way trip to hell (or - at least - the Genesis planet!) 🤣
i highly doubt that it was mr.scott's sabotage that actually caused the excelsior to be deemed a failure.. the missing components he had would have been found with a thorough diagnostic examination of the drive, and don't forget, less than a year later Kirk and Co. were cleared of charges by starfleet, and i highly doubt that Mr. Scott wouldn't tell them how to fix it. assuming he hadn't left some sort of time coded message with instructions in the ship's computer, scheduled to post itself to the ship's engineer after a day or two's time.. more than enough for the Enterprise to get a good head start.
i suspect the technology itself was flawed.. either the mathematical models were flawed and didn't work as expected in practice, or the hardware wasn't safe. or both.
that said, i do suspect that the excelsior's standard warp system was probably more powerful and advanced even without whatever transwarp gadgets they were testing. being the first ship to have "TNG grade" warp drives would help explain why the ship saw such a long service life, while most of its contemporaries got relegated to support roles (like the Oberth miranda class) or retired outright (the refit constitutions). without being purpose built for TNG power drives, those older ships would have more limited speed and range. good for supporting roles within the federation, but less useful for exploration into the unknown or in battle.
a probable source of the technology for TNG style warp might well have been the kelvan's, from TOS "By Any Other Name". in the episode the extragalactic kelvans hijack the Enterprise, and add systems that allowed it to cruise well over its rated warp factor. (was supposed to be limited to TOS warp factor 8ish, in the episode the 'upgraded' enterprise hit warp 11 on its way to the edge of the galaxy, and and 14+ once in intergalactic space)
the reason i say that i suspect kelvan technology is invovled in TNG warp drive is because the Kelvan's state that the upgraded enterprise would take 300 years to reach Andromeda. a similar distance trip in TNG "where no one ha gone before", with the Enterprise D at Triangulum and looking to back to the milky way was also stated to take 300 years at a Galaxy Class ship's maximum sustainable warp. as Triangulum and Andromeda are roughly the same distance away from the milky way, this suggests that the upgraded TOS Enterprise and the Enterprise D were capable of roughly the same warp velocities.
since the kelvan enhancements to the enterprise never appear again in TOS, and episodes after that return to the pre-upgrade speed limits, i would presume that they were removed for study by the federation (probably with the help of the kelvan's from that episode.) since the upgrades were comparable with existing federation warp technology, being able to build drives that use the upgrades integrally only a decade later seems reasonable. and it would make sense that the Excelsior might have been designed to use such drives.. use the most powerful proven warp drives that the federation knows of, combined with experimental devices to try and make them even more powerful.
Since there are some rough graphs and list about how fast which warp factor is relative to light speed, we can take both, the Consitution Enterprise to Andromeda, and the Galaxy Enterprise in Triangulum and estimate the speed it would take, as both galaxies are real and the distance roughly known.
To reach Andromeda in 300 years it would take about 8100 c, which would be around warp 20.08 on the old scale or warp 9.991 on the new scale
To fly back from Triangulum in 300 years it would take about 9300 c, which is around warp 21 on the old scale or warp 9.9925 on the new scale.
Both are way faster than what canon says about even more recent ships. The Intrepid class (Voyager) officially has a maximum speed of warp 9.975, which is slightly above 5100 c, and the sovereign class (Enterprise-E) is supposed to reach warp 9.985, around 7300 c
And those are maximum speeds, not what the ship can sustain long term.
For the TOS and TNG Enterprise the official speed limits for continuous travel are at 512 c (warp 8 old scale, Constitution during the series) and 1900 c (warp 9.6 new scale, Galaxy) respectively.
Interesting is that warp 11 on the old scale is around warp 8.5 on the new scale for around 1350 c which is actually a bit faster than what the Voyager did if we exclude all the massive jumps they did with help (like Kes' ascension, the vaadwaur network, borg transwarp, quantum slipstream, etc)
In Star Trek online, the Vaadwar used subspace corridors for faster travel, which after their defeat it was taken over by another race allied too the Voth.
well in TSO romulan warbirds can also reach transwarp speeds if a powerful enough singularity is installed.
@@windhelmguard5295 Naah, they be called timelords if they recreate the experiment done by Rassilon and Omega of Gallifrey.
I wonder why this wasn't included? Maybe because they didnt call it transwarp in the Voyager episode. But it's still FTW.
It makes no logical sense that Excelsior would fail to produce at least some good. By the time a space frame would have been created and the transwarp system installed, the development of the technology has already been through the computer > laboratory > individual physical components > combined individual components > small craft test bed > a modified well-understood space frame and finally a purpose built test bed on a large space frame-Excelsior. By the time they get to the Excelsior stage, Star Fleet is not testing the validity of transwarp it is testing practical application on a large space frame. All Scotty did was monkey with the current test bed; something that would be easy to fix in short order.
But, the big mistake here is that transwarp in Star Fleet parlance means the same thing as it does in other species usage. At this point Star Fleet has been working on the warp ten barrier and I am not talking about the TNG infinite definition. Rather, that the fleet seemed limited to a general technological ability to exceed conventional warp 10. This would have been like the ENT era warp 5 threshold and the later TOS warp 8 threshold. Both would fall in the march to warp ten. Trans only means to move beyond the current scale into a new one. Trans-sonic is a term used by aircraft engineers, trans-luminal means to move faster than the light speed limitation.
Assuming that trans means to improve existing technologies, Excelsior was a success. Star Fleet warp speeds began to exceed warp 10 and eventually a redefinition of the warp scale was instituted. This happened again and again in Star Fleet and goes all the way back to the time when warp 2 was the limit. Each limitation was broken and each of those success could have been termed a trans-warp program.
Many people think trans-warp means something esoteric, when it has a much more conventional usage in real science.
It is possible that Excelsior did not achieve the full potential hoped for by its designers or perhaps it did, the Federation grew from around 200 light years in radius from Sol to spanning an 8,000 light year footprint just 60 years later. That is a massive explosion in size and that was not going to happen with the old TMP era warp drive technology. Star Fleet had taken 50 years to go from ENT era of 50 light years to 200 light years with that system, it was not going to suddenly grow by 2,000% in a similar time period without some level of improvement.
I agree.
It was a very sturdy, efficient, popular design, otherwise.
I would agree the general development of the Great Experiment. It might be that much research was suppressed for some reason, possibly for the reasons of "Threshold".
TOS is pretty flexible. To me, sometimes they seemed like warp was FASTER in that era, and the galaxy smaller than in Next Gen as things hadn't been well established. For hard numbers, "The Squire of Gothos" took place 900 light years away from Sol. Or 500 light years based on taking place in the 23rd century. Plus, the early trip to the 'edge of the galaxy', presumably up from the galactic plane, would be about 500 light years.
Personally, I don't think the geometric warp scale makes sense. I would probably explain it as "4D", which has some support with "The Cage" episode and reference to the "time space warp", and time effects in other episodes. That would yield a speed of 16c for warp 2; 81c for warp 3; 256c for warp 4; 625c for warp 5; 1296c for warp 6 and so on. I realize that this might seem incredibly fast, but it's the only easy way to explain "Enterprise" in which a light year could be easily traveled in a day, or certain TOS episodes where the Enterprise is indeed several hundred light years from earth. even a '4D' warp 10 would still take ten years to cross the breadth of the galaxy, and likely have many limitations on this such as components wearing out.
@@larqven0192 People who fly aircraft will tell you that all air is not the same air. All space is not the same space. When the climate is cold and clear the air is more dense compared to a hot day. Ships at have a different level of buoyancy in salt water compared to fresh. Space is no different. Star Trek calls these passages or areas warp highways, which are essentially places where you get more speed for your warp. Of course out of universe we know this is just writer inconsistency, but in universe it is not hard to explain. Part of the problem is that we are applying normal space rules to sub space - an area we know nothing about it, if it exists at all. All we can do is be the viewer and note that a ship left this point at this time and appears at this point at this time and then measure that distance as some multiple of c.
We have even seen sub-light engines exceed the speed of light.
Being out of phase sounds like a good alternative way to get around the side effects of very high warp speeds. Like Hawking radiation build up and virtual particle build up that can also be solved by steering the ship around denser areas, brute forcing the stuff out the way or shifting the ship to a slightly different dimension of space time. I suspect most of the ludicrous speed methods are out of phase with the normal universe out out and out in another dimension of space-time and so not even moving in the physical Universe any more - so it's creeping very close to being Hyperspace not warp.
I'm thinking there is more than one kinda of Co-axial warp drive too - such as a means to use the hop and grab effect which is to an outsider almost like teleporting or being able to combine the two which is to both warp space and grab and throw it behind in chunks and so do both at the same time again as it's physically moving space and not just warping it's flow it should also allow faster travel as this side steps particle build up too.
Follow up Thought. is a vessel using Transwarp harder to detect from the outside - is that why The Vengeance was considered a stealth ship even at FTL - if it's Transwarp Drive and ability to do eccentric things like intersect another ship's warp bubble and attack it with Phasers might be hard to detect . I wonder if her drive is the same as the busted one on the Excelsior or some other type ?
Makes sense. Hawking radiation may also be mitigated by deflector dish output.
I have wondered why Vulcans hadn't reached amazing transwarp speeds? They have had warp drive for a long time.
It's sort of hinted at during the 4th season of ST: Enterprise.
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They aren't really into randomly exploring space and tend to just go to where they set course to. They might not have the need to go super fast.
You miss some, the various subspace distortion method of Cytherians and Nacene.
Deus ex machina only works as long as the other gods allow it.
I often wonder about that time in TNG when that guy gets stuck in one of t he holodecks and some kind of super intelligence takes over his brain and transports the Enterprise right across the galaxy in just a small amount of time. It was one of the very first episodes in season 1 IIRC.
They did travel a great distance, something like 30, 000 light years but the destination was near the center of the galaxy
What about "spatial flectures" like that Q junior created with the delta flyer's systems?
Since Voyager never revisited the tech, I have to presume Q removed the necessary technique program from the computer.
Love your videos,
I'm working on designing my onw ship, I already have the general idea of her but i still need to design it, however, she'll have both standard Warp Drive, as well as Quantum Slipstream Drive. One of it's peculiarities will be that she'll be designed to operate without any help from Starfleet, to prevent the problems of Voyager from happening again (ships being stranded somewhere).
I think that in Star Trek, you need to go fro a compromise between performaces and reliability, we see this a lot in Voyager, where many "new technologies" had to be scrapped due tu unreliability.
That sounds cool. Would like to see what you come up with when you are done. Who knows it might make it here if they decide to do a fan ship episode or maybe even Trekyards.
@@kamenwaticlients I was thinking about sending it to them too, I do already know how I want her to look (nothing to fancy) but I already have the name for her USS Georgia (Georgia class).
@@ROBERTO-in2iq Nice! Go for it. Do your best to create it.
What size are you planning for? Something big like the Galaxy or Sovereign, or something smaller like the Intrepid, Prometheus, Akira or Excelsior?
@@HappyBeezerStudios Hello, sorry for the late reply. Tbh, in these years since my original reply i kinda put the entire design "on the shelf" due to irl priorities. I do have a sketch but honestly i should redo the ship from 0 as new ideas and stuff came up to my mind over time.
Size wise it's marginally larger than an Odyssey class (about 1.1km in length), mostly due to the overall design being less "curvy".
Overall, i shifted away slightly from the point being that the ship has both Warp and slipstream drive (since in the 25th century almost, if not, everyone has both anyway) and focused more on the premise of the ship, that of an enhanced, deep space, long range explorer being almost fully self-sustaining, requiring little to no help from Starfleet. In this time i did in fact came up with a backstory for the class, that being of an idea pitched by Admiral Janeway of creating such a class after what she and her crew had been through in the Delta Quadrant; with a hidden aim towards future intergalactic exploration. This culminated into the creation of many classes that would have served as test various aspects of the new design, all being stepping stones in this development (these being the classes that i took inspiration from, such as the Legacy class, Renown class, Polaris class, exc.) all of this culminating in the Odyssey class being the final step, as proof of concept/technology demonstrator, with my class being the final result and continuation of this lineage.
A very recent addition tho is that i ditched a captains yatch, and instead i placed an Adamant class starship named Kitakaze in its place.
Right now, in my free time i came back on it and i'm working of the bridge.
3:45 Having never read any of the books, I always junked the other stuff and just figured 'Excelsior Trans Warp" wasn't a fail and IS the updated warp tech we see in TNG.
excellent content as always...what about the inter dimensional gateway technique thingy used by species 8472 to create a complex series of quantum singularities as transdimensional rifts to access their realm an to access that of the Delta Quadrant ...would it only access fluidic space? what about the
Schisms episode from Next Gen... although that was more about subspace abductions than modes of transportation...
Can you look and compare other FTL drives in sci-fi please.
Stargate 👀. Traveling to other galaxies in a matter of days.
Xindi Vortex: The first time the NX-01 triedto use it, they got thrown over a centuri into the past.
The same thing happened the last time they used it, but Daniels may have made that possible.
A way to accidentally travel to the past? Not the kind of thing you want as the Primary FTL drive! Overall it sounds very similar to the Ad-Hoc Borg Transwarp corridor.
The theory that the creation of a Vortex was tied to the Expanse also makes sense. It would at least explain why no Xindi ever went back in time intentionally to warn his people not to follow the Sphere Builders. By the time they had accepted it, they could not longer use that drive.
The Delphic Expanse ceased to exist. The unique physics and conditions of the region ceased to exist.
Xindi "subspace vortex" technology would just become a bunch of useless numerology in the computers and a pile of nonfunctional junk in the engineering rooms, elegant machinery based on completely invalid principles. Magic items from old edition rules which don't work in new edition rules.
I really liked your explanation of Xindi transwarp and why it, and the Xindi, suddenly became absent. Linking the Next Gen warp curve to the Great Experiment was interesting.
Great! As always. Thank you.
I always thought the transwarp on the Excelsior was a success and it's just what became known as standard warp from then on, just at higher speeds, and is part of why they redefined the warp factor numbers. I know there is now cannon material that suggests it fails as a single line of evidence, but I think it's better just to say it worked, and is why ships are now faster. That was always how it 'felt' to me watching it at the time
I like the idea that the Voth use the same tech as the Warp 10 experiment... Can't devolve to Lizard if you're already Lizard.
And they seem to have the system under control, slower, but much safer.
Soooooo.... Are we saying that transwarp is a type of B5 Jump Gate Tech or Star Wars Hyperdrive??
Watchout for the Bonehead manouevre...
I love your explanation for why the Xindi subspace corridors were not explored further. By saying they could only be initiated from the Delphic Expanse, it sufficiently explains why Starfleet couldn't replicate it afterwards and why we didn't see the Xindi involved in interstellar politics for the next couple centuries.
I wonder if the Xndi arc will re-emerge in the next season of Discovery, given the time jump to the period around the Temporal Cold War...
Discovery ended up in the 32nd Century, the Temporal Cold War was occurring with factions from the 31st century. Based on the season 3 trailer, I can only guess the Federation lost
It finally became a hot war
In a regard of NX-01's coming in touch with Xindi's Vortex FTL drive, when you take scans of something, some new technology in this case, it does not automatically mean that you will be able to re-create it within the confines of your own technology and scientific knowledge.
Xindi simply wanted to stay away after the hapless war and I, myself, would definitely not feel like having the cheek to try and befriend someone whom I wanted and TRIED to brutally annihilate just a few days ago.
And this sentiment would likely last for at least a couple of generations.
Therefore, one does not have to try and think up convoluted and contrived reasons as to why the Starfleet did not get their hands on Xindi's, or Xindi-based, tech before the 25th century.
The Heart of Gold's "Infinite Improbability Drive", and the experimental but short lived ships powered by Bad News.... Wait, wrong universe.
Ha, I've been a humble viewer, so thank you Rick!
Something else to keep in mind is that the Xindi subspace corridors had an unpredictable interaction with the impulse drive used by most Starfleet ships for sublight propulsion, as the two of the three attempts to use the subspace corridors resulted in Enterprise experiencing an unplanned jump backwards in time. I think that this would render the technology to hazardous through its unpredictability.
I’d like to see warp speeds rated in the amount of years it would take Voyager to get home (and hopefully avoid many, many horrible deaths) by using them.
Like those "transwarp" techs if Voyager would've use them from the start of their journey?
I really liked this video
I'm not absolutly sure, but I remember, the xindi ships reentered the corridor when they left Earth back to the Expanse.
20 seconds ago? Sweet! can't wait! Cheers!
Connecting the Exelsior Transwarp experiment with the changed warp scale was always my headcanon.
Any chance of you doing a video like this on the Hyperdrive from Stargate?
Only when you stop placing limits on yourself can you achieve what seems impossible.
That subspace field looks like it's surrounding a Star Wars death star... 😆
Maybe transwarp was past warp 10 in the old scale. The new scale it was just a warp drive that went faster than the old warp 10.
If we take what we know about the math of the "old" and "new" scale then warp 10 on the old is about warp 9.743 on the new one.
Warp 9 on the new scale would be about warp 11.48 on the old scale
Warp 9.6 (max cruise speed of the Galaxy class) about warp 12.4 on the old
Warp 9.975 (max speed of the Intrepid class) about warp 17.3 on the old
Warp 9.985 (max speed of the Sovereign class) about warp 19.4 on the old
The Enterprise-A under Kirk in the movies can do warp 12 on the old scale, which would be somewhere between 9.3 and 9.4 on the new scale.
Why didn’t trek use the “dimensional shift” tech from ‘higher Ground’ to make a torpedo for the borg?
Indeed. While the tech might not be suited for transporting crew, at least not on any regular basis, a bomb could be far more accepting of some molecular distortion from the delivery system.
I thought the Voth used "folding Space"
Like in actual warp?
@@IchigoKurosakicool no, like a fold , think 2 points opposite end of paper and fold paper to bring together.connected with a worm hole.
@@searcherT that's the equation visualisation of a worm hole bruh....
That is also used with Alcubierre drive
@searcherT
That's called Coaxial Warp Drive.
Otherwise, I do not remember what Voth used.
I'm currently re-watching Voyager and am in the S2.
@@subraxas I just forgot the name of the drive when I made the comment.
Perhaps the borg assimilated a species that had "corridors" first. then used them. They then assimilated a species with data on how to produce transwarps within individual ships, but maybe it was very power consuming, so they left the "defunkt" tech there in place to use for less important trips that didnt need such fast travel?
The Voth "Transwarp" technology could be something akin to a 'space folding' type mechanism, to cross vast distances in moments vs a super-fast subspace/warp space drive.
Considering the visual effect is similar to the "warp 10" thing the Voyager did, it might be a similar technology, but a bit slower and much safer. In a more controlled manner.
Idea: Xindi vortex travel actually the same as that used by the Excelsior, just going by a different name. Excelsior design capitalising on the same spacial instabilities (though diffuse by that time) to allow an easier access to transwarp, but over time it became more and more difficult to replicate the effect, due to even the diffuse instabilities present across the federation at the time dissipating to unusable levels. The Federation scientists involved may not have even realised that the spacial instabilities were even connected to the (mostly dissipated by this time) Delphi Expanse until later experiments were failing, and they went back over their data and reconsidered some assumptions they were making regarding what they considered "normal" subspace stability.
I spit out my coffee hearing the Xindi speed. That's 1000x faster than the Warp 9 figure. That's Andromeda in less than 2 years and the whole Super Cluster in reasonable timescales.
Holy bejeezus
In the Star Trek movie,(1979) due to an imbalance in the warp nacelles, the Enterprise created, then was dragged into an unstable wormhole. Which is, or should be a form of transwarp, possibly never explored due to the "unstable" bit.
Just a note...
The Federation actually uses 2 forms of Warp, of which TOS uses one model and TNG+ plus uses a different model.
Warp 10 being maximum is idiotic with the TNG model, which is the one you generally use.
TNG+ uses a bubble to continuously expand/compress space which moves the ship. There should be no limit to this with advancing technology and as such Warp scaling for this system should actually just keep going linearly like TOS used to...
TOS (and Threshold) uses the spatial torque method of Warp which twists forward axis of the ship from horizontal to vertical. They higher the torque, the higher the faster the speed, but once it hits maximum torque, ie vertical, it can go no farther and would have infinite velocity. This obviously makes sense to have a scale that goes up to some arbitrary number, I'd prefer 90 mind you, but whatever, the point is Warp 10 being the max here makes sense, but instead TOS has it able to increase past 10
TNG+ plus warp scale is already a type of Transwarp relative to the TOS warping, but instead of "inventing" some new jargon, just flip the two scales or come up with lore like... "The original Warping method had a max warp that the originators hadn't thought of when they were naming things so a new scale was developed to account for this that was adopted. Around the same time a new warp method was developed. It was decided that to not confuse people that they would stick with this new scale and simply apply it to the new method. However, it has become ridiculous and a burden to captains to maintain this so a new standard has to be developed." And then you just come up with a speed table that makes sense to use/say.
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This was awesome don't understand the negative thumbs down
have you done an episode on the warp catapult from voyager
I see borg transwarp as a sort of... well, Regular warp is like a tidalwave surfer, pulled along by the wave itself. Borg Transwarp is like a surfer being bulled along by a speedboat. It's essentially the hub-destination pulling the vessel through warped space in a way that a warp drive could never manage. The Corridors - let's call them Quantum Subspace-Corridors cuz Technobabbe, would more or less be less 'murky' if that makes sense, with regular warp riding through and hitting in parts with subspace matter and particles, the Corridor will be more clean and the pull from one Hub to the other is what ensures this insanely fast method. Hyperspace Lanes as Stellaris calls it. Rather than having to manually 'Warp' the distance. A natural refinement of Warp technology.
I love your logic on the Star Trek race Xindi But with so many different species, one would think they have advantage, that is to say it they shared knowledge with each other.
Just like the Federation.
I have a theory about the origins of the excelsior class trans warp experiments from the original series and control from discovery.
Basically it goes that both the transwarp technology and the technology used to create control were taken from the wreckage of the borg ship that was destroyed in first contact and then rediscovered in Enterprise. Im pretty sure they wouldve continued to research the site the borg drones were found finding advanced technologies such as transwarp coils and systems used to connect all the drones in the collective. The reason the great experiment may not have worked was because they couldnt recreate the transwarp coils when the burned out ultimately resulting in the project being scrapped, I believe control is the result of them trying to recreate the borg collective by having all the admirals inputting info. I believe they used borg technology they found on the ship the do it and thats y it shared such similarities such as the nano machines and the common dearing of human bodies thru them and that perhaps this also resulted in the borg being created in a weird kind of grandfather paradox kinda thing. Idk I know its ruff but free to use if u like 👍
The Xendi corridors may not have been directly created by the spheres. The corridors may have been from direct influence from the Sphere Builders or a combination of the spheres and Sphere Builders. One thing is clear by on screen presentation. The corridors did not extend into the Sphere Builders dimension but may have extended partially into a stable dimension in between.
I find it honestly shocking that by the 32nd century, starfleet hadnt developed anything better than warp. Hell, I'd expect by the 30th century, starfleet would've had a transwarp conduit network of their own, so they can go between known locations faster!
Can you run a readable list of warp speeds? Please and Thank you!
Speculateion: Xindi tech was the basis for the Great Experiment. It handily ties things together including giving a great reason why Star Fleet was so secrative about the drive. Perhaps they promised not to investigate the tech and were doing it anyway like with cloaks.
So, I want to point out the the Voth developed on earth and left over 165M years ago. So not to be picky, but It's soooo much longer than a Millennium. If I remember correctly with the casual speed of there Transwarp, they were able to travel 140 something light years in mere seconds.
Ah! The fascinating world of Transwarp.
One question I always had, did the Excelsior actually travel faster then other ships of that era? It seems like if it did they would have made it work later. I realize it was a piece junk but the space frame was a gem.
Also, the Xindi didn't develop the vortex network themselves, and probably didn't understand how it worked, either.
In other concepts of transwarp drive involves the actual use of transport technology, use transport's on a warp field and basically beam the field in front of the ship, sounds like a lot of hoopla right?
I have a question about the star trek TOS episode season2 episode 22. The Kelvins modified the engines to reach warp 11 and get to the Andromeda galaxy in 300 years. What happened to that technology?
At the end of Star Trek Continues informations of an upgraded version of warp tech was given to Kirk by an older version of him. That probably was the "transwarp" tested in The search for Spock.
What if the Excelsior transwarp is an attempt to replicate the xindi vortex in the ordinary space? They try to and fail establishing that the dissipation of the Delphic expanse make it impossible to work, but in the meantime they develop new warp components for the engine that otherwise redefine the warp scale and engine efficiency, so they came to call it "transwarp" for a time, and after it's well established among military and civilian, they call it simply "warp"
I will always wonder if tranawarp tech had some relation or was born out somehow from the technology of the Kelvans which allowed the Enterprise to even go beyond warp 11 in By Any Other Name. Based on the old warp scale. Those improvements vanished after that episode without any follow up explanation of any kind
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The Voth were a space fearing species for millions of years; not just a millennia. Remember, they were from Earth 65 million years ago?
Plot armour, plot speed
The traveller also made the ship go faster In TNG, Q has flung the ship across the quadrant with a click of his finger, I always thought that warp drive speed was also limited because the dilithium crystals would shatter, which is why the ship shakes and engines burn out.
They need too invent a Q drive.
Would you consider the jump gate from Voyager, the one repurposed from the Caretakers tech, form of transwarp?
There are subspace portals like the Xindi used in Voyager.
Dragons Teeth episode I believe.
People always seem to forget that episode. It might not been as much as a jump as the 10,000 ly Kes did or the 10 years they got closer with quantum slipstream, or the 20,000 ly they cut by stealing transwarp from the borg, but it's still quite a bit.
Hey man! I continue to enjoy the Star Trek lore. I like these tech videos about warp lately. Jesus Christ be with you friend!😊
You, and everyone else seems to think Scotty removed a few parts from the Excelsior... Let's call them the spark plugs. That's why it failed
Let's see... The Milky-way Galaxy is 105,700 light years across. If the Voth transwarp corridor allowed 90 light years in seconds, and we conservatively estimate a rate of 10 light years per second, it means that with that technology you could travel from one end of the galaxy to the other in just under three hours.
It would be interesting if Star Trek actually went in that direction, because it would mean that exploring other galaxies would suddenly become possible.
While it's technically true that material from both the Andromeda and Milky Way galaxies are already in contact with each other, for the most part the two are estimated to be approximately 2.5 million light-years apart.
At Voth transwarp speeds we're looking at just under three days to travel from the Milky Way galaxy to Andromeda.
And we have the CGI capability to make all the nonhumanoid aliens. With travel to other galaxies, the Star Trek universe will start looking like the Pokemon universe.
None of these seem to be faster than the Cybertronian Space Bridge or Transwarp Drive. Those things provide near-instantaneous Travel across almost any distance.
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Might have already been mentioned, but if the Vortexes were theoretically only openable from the Delphic Expanse...how did Degra's ship and the Aquatic ship that gave the Enterprise a lift to Earth get back to the Expanse?
If memory serves, the tech wasn't compatible with Federation ships.
Maybe the corridors linger for a while and can be reopened for the route back. A bit like slipstream in Andromeda, where you basically have to keep using it like walking on a path otherwise the grass keeps overgrowing it.
And after the expanse was gone, the tech to open vortexes might simply not work anymore.
These technologies were not pursued because the Federation did not have an adequate supply of Plotdevicium.
What about the Vaadwaur subspace corridors
I'm 99% certain the USS Vengeance was using Transwarp during Into Darkness
Either that or all the ships in the "Kelvin" timeline actually use some sort of reverse engineered Slipstream tech...
@@Amarganeitor OR something from Narada?
Three times faster, was said. So Warp 11.5, if nu-Enterprise did Warp 8 max.
So the Xindi actually have a form of hyperdrive from Star Wars.
All star fleet has to do is go ask the Guardian of forever to show the the history of the development of a particular drive by a certain spieces and they would have everything they need to duplicate it.
Mooooorrree transwarp captain!
Im pretty sure dem aquatics vortexed back home after delivering the enterprise "back" to earth the end of season 3.
Correction:
Actually all they did was turn back and go out of view.
I love star trek, but to this day I don't understand the fetish for using the 'deflector' to solve most problems. All it's supposed to do is keep debris from hitting the ship at high speed. Why is it a space swiss army knife?
What about the caretaker array if they can build something like that they could send ship across the galaxy
WARP 13! YOU STILL HAVE NOT TALKED ABOUT IT!
That was an alternative reality where the old warp technology that allowed such speeds was still in effect. Old warp 13 was about the same velocity as new warp 9.6. There was no warp 10 infinite speed in the old warp scale. TOS and Enterprise were old warp scale, TNG, DS9 and Voyager were new warp scale.
@@briananthony4044 All good things used the old scale? that i find hard to believe. My point from another video. If they just keep adding 5 or 9 to warp 9 like 9.99 or 9.9995 etc why not have a new system? Its gets crazy with the numbers.
@@radeadcool I did read some years ago, that the use of WP 13 was a plot point to distinguish the different timelines. One had the Dr on her own ship using the old warp scale, and a 3 nacelle Galaxy class with stealth tech, etc to tell us this was not the normal timeline.
Contrary. The Xindi are actually mentioned once in a single scene in Star Trek The Next Generation.
They weren't invented yet by the writers back then.
It must have been the Kzinti then. Check them out!
I believe it was Starbase Xendi 9, not Xindi?
What about the saurian race in the Delta quadrant
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What ship is that at 0:27?
The dinosaurs that were found in the Delta quadrant from Earth
What is the ship at 3:49
in the animated series in the 70's the arretians used a ultrawarp spock said the ship was travelling at warp 25 and their tractor beam was locked and was travelling at the same speed and hit into the beta niobe nova then traversed into a negative universe where space was white and the stars was very dark colored even black and time was reversed as well i think it went as far as 27 when they hit the nova and using the same method commodore april and his wife aged in reverse and using the teleporters to return everyone to their original ages i loved reading that one in the novelization and watching it also but the series did not show the full episode the novel had the whole event even showing a planet that was covered in auroras it turned out to be a test by the actual real arretians to kirk and the enterprise oh how i hope they bring them back and that type of warp power the arretians had they make the voth, borg, and iconians look like snailsand hwo that ship of theirs was described as holy froakiemomma thats wicked awesome.
Was your intro because I pissed and moaned last time about how useless Borg transwarp would be if they had to go through established transwarp conduits!? Because that wasn’t a jab at your video!