Alex Kurtzman's idea was originally coined the Shroom drive, but while the function and special effects remained entirely the same they changed it to Spore drive so people would be slightly less likely to bust out laughing every time they used it.
@@toddoverholt4556 Isn't the "universe spanning mushroom" just a living network in another dimension though? It's kind of like the idea of subspace itself really. When they jump they're hopping between two points through this dimension that the myceials live in. Which is why when the network was at risk of dying it would've screwed with our own dimension because they're all link more or less. Same applies to subspace as per trek lore.
I personally found the catapult to be the mostviable for the federation. On top if they used this technology they could strategically position them around federation space for future battles and would change the future, The discovery future, completely.
True though I understand it caused ships damage too Either way I'm sure voyager brought back downloaded computer specs and detailed scans and 31st century technology be very viable . though what was that Vulcan gateway experiment that worked but was dangerous . maybe was a prototype .
Actually Quantum Slipstream V2 from Timeless (10 000 Ly's per minute) seemed the most viable. Voy got it to work after all... in what a space of 4 to 6 months after encountering the original Quantum slipstream which topped out at 300 Ly's per hour. At any rate, Starfleet and UFP with their massive resources would have to be able to sort out the phase variance issue in at most a year after Voyager returned... assign adaptive algorithms into the mix, and problem solved. In fact, VOY also had scans of Tetryon reactors and a number of other energy generation technologies which did NOT rely on dilithium or Antimatter... so, the Burn never made any sense.. 800 years since the 24th century is a RIDICULOUSLY large amount of time for a space faring organisation comprised of over 150 different alien species to come up with FAR more advanced and better methods of generating power and FTL speeds. The Burn shouldn't have happened...it was just lazy writers not wanting to flex creative muscles to create a highly advanced setting in which they would actually have to THINK about how to use advanced technology and write compelling stories without duming stuff down (which is more than doable).
I read a theory somewhere that it was only possible because the Spheres in the Delphic Expanse had already distorted space so much. Once they were destroyed, the ability to use the vortexes diminished until it was outright impossible.
@@Restilia_ch that is what i suspect too. though IMO the federation may well have experimented with trying to get it to work every so often. it is also possible that vortex drive never stopped working, but without the Delphic Expanse and its spatial alterations, the result was just not any faster than standard early warp drive.
Come on people Cant go back an expect new story lines to match up with older ideas. Even the Xindi wasn't mentioned again in star trek. Different timeline? JJ verse to Cannon.
There is another method of travel that Q junior used with Delta flyer when he tried to run away. He used that method at least three times; 1. He escapes and Icheb gets hurt, 2. He returns to Voyager to get help, 3. Q and Janeway return to the place of attack. It always bothered me that they somehow weren't able to get navigational and sensor logs to recreate it on a larger scale. Then there is a spatial trajector from Sikaris with a range of 40000 light years in few seconds ... And if we're counting experimental Quantuum slipstream, we should also count Warp 10 ... We are also forgetting the faster then light travel from Stargate; If we can count catapult from ST VOY, we should also count Puddle Jumpers going through the stargate, jumping wast distances in a matter of seconds (all depends on available power on the dialling side). And of course, there is Atlantis - the city-ship with a wormhole drive, that can achieve the same thing without any need for stargates on either end.
Star Trek really needs to make a comeback but then again video games and movies and basically everything right now is going to shit because of crappy writing
@@incogni-bro8276 don't have a problem with that writing in that game I just have a problem with the gameplay I'm more of a Star Trek bridge Commander Kobayashi Maru person Star Trek Online just does not have the feeling although admittedly I love the ships and all the cool stuff that they have in there like The Dauntless and weird nice ships from different stuff it's pretty cool I'll give it that but I want something more to scale something more fun something that lets me control stuff a little bit better more like a battle simulator
Borg assimilation is fake news, they call it the delta quadrant virus… can you believe that? I here that injecting bleach also kills the nanotechnology - Donald J Trump the 7th, president of the united federation of trump, circa June 2350.
British Ben, Great video. I had forgotten some of these non-warp means of FTL travel. As for my favorites: * Spore Drive - I love the spinning effect when Disco teleports across space. Also, the ship traveling via mushroom highway is crazy enough to fit in Trek. After all, the franchise has magic tech (replicators) and intelligent space jellyfish. * Bajoran Wormhole - Yes, the wormhole is scientifically plausible. But it's the LOOK of the wormhole that sells it. The opening of the wormhole is a stunning event that it makes sense so many races would flock to it. * Graviton Catapult - I forgot about this one until you mentioned it. The GC is cool because it's simple, but effective: load ship and then launch. It's a futuristic twist on old technology. So, that's my list. Keep up the great work.
There was also the Barzan wormhole that turned out to be unstable, sending two Ferengi to the Delta Quadrant. They make another appearance in VOY and ruin the crew’s chances of getting home
Drive. We are talking about drives. Wormholes wouldn’t count. That would be like saying you have a very fast bicycle, because you jumped it off a cliff and went fast on the way down.
I love quantum slipstream! I really wish that "hero ships" of Star Trek (Enterprise, Defiant, a new Voyager, etc) would be fitted with them. I always felt it looked exactly like *hyperspace from Star Wars*. It could literally bridge the 2 sci fi franchises if they really wanted to. They're sitting on a gold mine and they don't even know it. Subspace vortices and transwarp also sound like hyperspace drive, too. And I love underspace corridors, too 8-)
It's not made explicit in the episode, but I think the deal with the coaxial warp drive was that the larger the ship, the more likely it was to fail catastrophically (ship go boom), which could explain why Voyager never tried to integrate it into their systems. Their shuttles could've likely used it safely, but the writers probably never even considered that.
In the episode "Spock's Brain", they encountered an Ion drive. No mention of it... The Romulans use a confined singularity to power their warp core. No mention of that either.
The fastest any Star Trek ship traveled was in TNG, Season 1 Episode 6 ( Where no man has gone before), an alien from Tau Alpha C known as the Traveler takes the Enterprise to Outer Rim of the universe in a matter of a few hours, estimated speed of 100 trillion x speed of light.
@@gatecitten The spore drive is limited to where the network itself has expanded to. If it's a part of the universe the network isn't there, it's useless.
Actually we don't know the size of the universe. We can guess, and we have quite a range in the guesses (from equal to the size of the observable universe to a few sextillion lightyears). Also it took a lot less time than a few hours, it was more like a minute or two. Therefore the top speed could be as high as 5 octillion times the speed of light.
The concept of gateways into some form of FTL or launcher has always been in SciFi. I even wrote a short story during Elementary school about the discovery of an ancient alien gateway in our solar system.
I personally adore the Quantum Slipstream Drive. I loved "Hope and Fear" and that effect. It was just immensely stylish and I felt bad when they kept reusing the effect for different FTL systems after that.
i agree with Star Trek Online technology progression with the drives. i think Trans Warp and Slipstream were the next best evolutionary steps needed for more exploration of the universe. Subspace distortions and Time Drives are what was needed in order of them to achieve what Q hinted at in All Good things, Humanity exploring alternate worlds and timelines.
I absolutely agree, but what Star Trek Online gets wrong is Subspace Vortex, which combined with the Gravity Well and Temporal Anchor trait from the Legendary Glenn, can pull 500K DPS in ISA run.
Timeless greet ep. Awesome video and of course you cant include Q, I mean the dude is so badass he takes a break in an alternate reality and becomes Alarak the highlord of the Tal'darim. The dude is a beast.
John de Lancie also voices the Human President in the fourth Master of Orion game. His villainous counterpart, the Terran Khan, is voiced by Freddy Krueger himself
What did the Caretaker use? It took Voyager all the way across the galaxy in a few seconds. The Borg don't invent anything. they assimilate it. What about the Guardian of forever? Neither alive or a machine? How about the transporter in All of Yesterday's? Probably the same technology of the Iconian's. The Iconian Gateway.
Quantum Slipstream was heavily used by citizens of the Galaxy in the 32nd Century Pre-Burn because of the scaresity of the supply of Dillithium Booker Ship has 3 types of Drive onboard, Warp Drive, Quantum Drive, and Tachyon Sail Drive but he mostly used Quantum Drive on the daily basis if there's no Dillithium onboard.
I liked the catapult because it seems like something the federation could realistically use if they set up enough of them. Also it reminds me of the mass relays in Mass Effect, and look how far those could take starships. I know that Voyager episode came out a long time before Mass Effect but still.
Good to see you Ben, I just saw American Ben make a great 40K video great to catch up with you I'm about to have a look here I'm trying to up my Star Trek trivia knowledge y'all a great source.
Then there was a crossover story with Doctor Who, which means that the TARDIS is the fastest form of FTL in Star Trek. While the story is not official canon (yet), there is the matter of StarFleet having access to Gallifreyan _bigger on the inside_ tech for some of its ships - particular Voyager's hangar bay and doors.
Wait...what? I have seen literally every episode of Star Trek (except the OG animated series) at least once, and I do not remember Doctor Who ever making an appearance.
Love how the aliens sent a superweapon who just make some markings on the ground and leave when they could had just launched a ball of iron with the speed faster than light.
Unlikely the borg be able to invent when their orders are clear to follow instructions and not think on their own. They're community of communists where the foreman is the brain and you do not think without the foreman's approval. At the same time being encouraged to take intiative who is all about efficiency in working faster and better but not smarter.
@@rwleif Not actually the case as in TNG and beyond they used a different warp scale as indicated by the TNG crew and I believe other manuals. And in either case the Voyager warp 10 is still much faster then anything in TOS as they still had traveling distance while Tom Paris claimed to be everywhere at once
@@rwleif True, was just commenting on the TOS faster than warp 10 thing, and even in TNG the Tom Paris warp 10 is faster as it was anywhere instantaneously but I'll have to watch both episodes to legitimately compare the 2
We also have to include the Traveller into the mix. He showed Wesley Crusher how to phase a starship's engines to go to the limits of speed, and this could be used on any warp capable ship.
There was also rhe Traveler in TNG! At least I think this is what he was called... in the Italian translation it's Viaggiatore which means traveler... the alien who appeared both in seasons 1 and 7
@@starleighpersonal I'd rather be sitting parked right over the romulan senate building than being any where near a vidiian vessel. So I would take my odds with the Romulans. At least their ale is good.
@@starleighpersonal The Romulan Empire doesn't have ships fast enough to catch Voyager so that wouldn't be a problem. It was probably due to the instability and the presumed failure of the drive given Kim's calculations gave disrupted it.
Voyager's Warp 10 and TNG's Soliton wave didn't get an honourable mention. How many others didn't make the final list? The transwarp jokes were very funny by the way.
Kinda. Transwarp corridors, Subspace Vortex, Underspace - they are all largely artificial FTL networks. Star Wars hyperspace lanes seem to be simply easy to travel, often traveled, well charted hyperspace routes.
Voth Transwarp, casually blinked 30 lightyears in 3 seconds (including the windup and exiting animations), giving it a lowball estimate of 10 lightyears per second and a highball of 30 lightyears per second
Old video I know, but, there was also the method the son of Q used when he stole the Delta Flyer. Though based on what he (and later engineer Reed in Enterprise) said it sounded like he used a similar or possibly the same method the Xindi used to open the vortexs they travel through as both methods worked by using the deflector array to create an opening in subspace.
In Star Trek: Prodigy, we're introduced to the protostar drive, which uses a literal protostar to achieve proto-warp and can allow a ship to traverse up to 4,000 light years in a matter of minutes.
It could work if a ship is constructed around it from the get-go, which is what that race did. They tried to adapt the Voyager to it and couldn’t. The equipment and the geometry is all wrong. It would be like trying to adapt the spore drive to a ship without a spinning ring
@@artembentsionov True, but still one of my favorites and still holds potential for Starfleet(better than transwarp at least cause at least Voyager has everything on the drive still while the transwarp coil is fried)
On the second season of the Discovery series where they were on the 31st century, the Spore drive had been nerfed so it could probably only travel inside the Milky Way galaxy, as something aabout the galactic barrier acted against the micelial network as well.
I think it’s also partly based on slipstream from *Andromeda*. It also requires an organic pilot, and the visuals from when they’re returning to the prime universe are very similar to *Andromeda*’s slipstream
@@no_one01-5 the show is based on Roddenberry’s idea for a Trek show set in a post-Federation world. It never got traction. He tried to adapt it to a show twice before it finally took off as Andromeda, after his death, of course. Federation became Commonwealth, Starfleet became High Guard, Klingons became Nietzscheans, Vulcans became Perseids (sort of, they’re very emotional about science), etc. On the other hand, the show has slightly more realistic physics in that all sensors and comms are lightspeed, so if you see something a light minute away, it already happened 60 seconds ago. There was speculation that Discovery’s third season would be an attempt to bring the concept back home, but it turned into something else
@@artembentsionov "Nietzcheans"? That's subtle. 😄 But like I said, it's premise sounds interesting and if I find it somewhere, I'm definitely going to watch it. 🙂
@@no_one01-5 they’re not aliens. They’re a genetically-engineered human subspecies. They practice warped beliefs based on Nietzsche’s philosophy and the works of Ayn Rand (their homeworld is called Fountainhead). Their main goal in life is to spread their genes as much as possible, thus their men seek to be as strong and cunning as possible to show their breeding to potential mates, and women seek out those qualities in them. It’s not uncommon for successful men to have multiple wives. Love is irrelevant in their culture. A typical Nietzchean introduces himself by stating his full name (first and last name, which are often historical in nature; one time there was even a guy named Genghis Stalin), then his pride (yes, they divide themselves into prides like lions), and then the names of his parents (e.g. “out of Victoria by Barbarossa”). Sometimes they’re asked for more details about their genealogy, as if they’re horses or something. The episodes used to be on RUclips, but it seems they’ve been taken down since I last checked. If you have Amazon Prime, they’re available on there (with ads)
Coaxial warp drive was "stolen" from Dune. The Holzmann effect was used to fold space, permitting inertia-less instantaneous travel over vast distances. The Navigators (or Steersmen) use Spice to provide a limited view of the future, so allowing them to guide the ship.
I've long held the idea that if you can travel in time then you can travel to any point in space in an instant. Instead of moving forward or backward in time you move sideways. Given the Federation's understanding of temporal dynamics for ST:TOS Voyager should have been able to figure out a temporal manipulation based travel system relatively easily. But then you end the story too soon and the studio makes no money.
it's interesting that some of these FTL's were used in other sci-fi's an example would be the spore drive something that gave the same results was used in the series Dark Mater
The Starfleet had Transwarp drive in the future that was shown to Picard in the episode All Good Things. Q was moving Picard through time, putting in motion the series of events that places Picard on Captain Beverly Picard’s medical ship
and in Star Trek III Transwarp Excelsior (the one that Scotty sabotaged, but I don't think that was truly "transwarp" just a name to say Excelsior was "suped up" compared to Enterprise 1701 of the time.
In "Andromeda", they use quantum slipstream as well... BTW, that series was created using unused material from Gene Roddenberry and was produced by his widow...
come on ben, we all know getting high going into space and travelling in ftl always ALWAYS begins in a disco, then depending on the quality of the discotheque drive determines how many days later youll return home to earth
You definitely forgot one, the one that turned Janeway and the pilot of the ship to revert back into some lizards lol. The war drive allowed you to be at any place or point in time and space. I’m sorry I can’t remember the name I’m gonna try to find it. Lol
The NX 21980 USS QED has an experimental drive system based on 58th century technology. The drive when active entangles the ship, crew, and everything else within the field's AOE to particles at the destination. With an effective range of 4,000 ly, the drive is capable of returning a ship from the Delta quadrant in 19 jumps or roughly 5 seconds. By entangling particles, folding space, then unfolding space; a ship can travel to any destination within 4,00 ly in just under 1/10 of a second.
Stargate has the Atlantis Wormhole drive, and the Super Gate that allows star ships to gate between galaxies, the distance between our galaxy and the Ori galaxy was estimated to be between 50 million - 150 million light years. Using the time of an average gate trip would make the super gate the winner when we remove the improb drive.
Fun fact, Paul Stamets, chief engineer of the discovery who's also a mycologist (scientist who studies fungi) shawes his EXACT name with an actual mycologist 😂
So I have an interesting question that I've heard floated around for a while now with people coming down on both sides. Are the Q magic or super advanced tech?
What about the displacement wave generated by the Caretaker array to take Voyager 70,000 lightyears in minutes, similar to the Chrono Deflector in that it displaces spacetime however it's more stable/reliable than the deflector and can be initiated remotely, e.g. halfway across the galaxy from the generating station, making by far the most efficient way to travel. I always thought that was the dumbest thing about STV, blowing up the caretaker array instead of defending it.
What about in the Star Trek episode where these aliens from the Andromeda galaxy took over the Enterprise and installed a warp upgrade, which set them to Warp 25 ... to take them back to the Andromeda galaxy
Thank you. I enjoyed that. Most channels never mention the different drives in Star Trek (I think they jealous because they are technically faster than their favourite sci-fi/fantasy series). Please do a video on largest non-natural structures in sci-fi? I'd love to see how Star Treks Dyson Sphere measures in comparison.
The TimeShip from Futures End (VOY) Its so fast it gets there in the past. Going all the way back to earth through one vortex. Its like the Chrono deflector but better. Being from the 29th century it doesn't burn itself out. It just blows up entire solar systems if you get it wrong....
The spore drive seems to be essentially a wormhole drive with the mycelial network being pretty much a network of mushroom based wormholes
The way I heard it explained is that it took advantage of the quantum entanglements of a specific kind of universe spanning mushroom
Alex Kurtzman's idea was originally coined the Shroom drive, but while the function and special effects remained entirely the same they changed it to Spore drive so people would be slightly less likely to bust out laughing every time they used it.
@@toddoverholt4556 Isn't the "universe spanning mushroom" just a living network in another dimension though? It's kind of like the idea of subspace itself really. When they jump they're hopping between two points through this dimension that the myceials live in. Which is why when the network was at risk of dying it would've screwed with our own dimension because they're all link more or less. Same applies to subspace as per trek lore.
@@GPsarakis the spore drive does seem similar to the jump drive that Galactica uses.
Whoever proposed a drive that basically powers a ship by huge tardigrades, must be using mushrooms themselves.
I personally found the catapult to be the mostviable for the federation. On top if they used this technology they could strategically position them around federation space for future battles and would change the future, The discovery future, completely.
True though I understand it caused ships damage too
Either way I'm sure voyager brought back downloaded computer specs and detailed scans and 31st century technology be very viable . though what was that Vulcan gateway experiment that worked but was dangerous . maybe was a prototype .
Actually Quantum Slipstream V2 from Timeless (10 000 Ly's per minute) seemed the most viable.
Voy got it to work after all... in what a space of 4 to 6 months after encountering the original Quantum slipstream which topped out at 300 Ly's per hour.
At any rate, Starfleet and UFP with their massive resources would have to be able to sort out the phase variance issue in at most a year after Voyager returned... assign adaptive algorithms into the mix, and problem solved.
In fact, VOY also had scans of Tetryon reactors and a number of other energy generation technologies which did NOT rely on dilithium or Antimatter... so, the Burn never made any sense.. 800 years since the 24th century is a RIDICULOUSLY large amount of time for a space faring organisation comprised of over 150 different alien species to come up with FAR more advanced and better methods of generating power and FTL speeds.
The Burn shouldn't have happened...it was just lazy writers not wanting to flex creative muscles to create a highly advanced setting in which they would actually have to THINK about how to use advanced technology and write compelling stories without duming stuff down (which is more than doable).
Warp speed itself formed catapult motion, by using warp nacelles & deflector array dampening
Starfleet never utilizing the Subspace Vortex from the Xindi was criminal.
I read a theory somewhere that it was only possible because the Spheres in the Delphic Expanse had already distorted space so much. Once they were destroyed, the ability to use the vortexes diminished until it was outright impossible.
@@Restilia_ch that is what i suspect too. though IMO the federation may well have experimented with trying to get it to work every so often.
it is also possible that vortex drive never stopped working, but without the Delphic Expanse and its spatial alterations, the result was just not any faster than standard early warp drive.
Come on people Cant go back an expect new story lines to match up with older ideas. Even the Xindi wasn't mentioned again in star trek. Different timeline? JJ verse to Cannon.
The enterprise J used the sub space vortex to travel. So I agree
Anyway, Space disco!
There is another method of travel that Q junior used with Delta flyer when he tried to run away. He used that method at least three times; 1. He escapes and Icheb gets hurt, 2. He returns to Voyager to get help, 3. Q and Janeway return to the place of attack. It always bothered me that they somehow weren't able to get navigational and sensor logs to recreate it on a larger scale.
Then there is a spatial trajector from Sikaris with a range of 40000 light years in few seconds ...
And if we're counting experimental Quantuum slipstream, we should also count Warp 10 ...
We are also forgetting the faster then light travel from Stargate; If we can count catapult from ST VOY, we should also count Puddle Jumpers going through the stargate, jumping wast distances in a matter of seconds (all depends on available power on the dialling side).
And of course, there is Atlantis - the city-ship with a wormhole drive, that can achieve the same thing without any need for stargates on either end.
Don't forget about Destiny
This is great! Man cannot live by Star Wars alone!
Star Trek really needs to make a comeback but then again video games and movies and basically everything right now is going to shit because of crappy writing
@@ethanspaziani5269 Star Trek Online is pretty good with its writing in my opinion.
@@incogni-bro8276 don't have a problem with that writing in that game I just have a problem with the gameplay I'm more of a Star Trek bridge Commander Kobayashi Maru person Star Trek Online just does not have the feeling although admittedly I love the ships and all the cool stuff that they have in there like The Dauntless and weird nice ships from different stuff it's pretty cool I'll give it that but I want something more to scale something more fun something that lets me control stuff a little bit better more like a battle simulator
@@ethanspaziani5269 That’s understandable, some of the gameplay can be problematic for me as well.
Star Wars is mainly cool for its lightsabers xD
The Borg did not invent transwarp. The Borg invent nothing. They assimilate.
borg are lazy parasites apparently there a lot of awsome tech but we never see the borg use it
The borg put the ate ass in assimilate.
We seek only to improve the quality of life for all peoples…
Borg assimilation is fake news, they call it the delta quadrant virus… can you believe that? I here that injecting bleach also kills the nanotechnology - Donald J Trump the 7th, president of the united federation of trump, circa June 2350.
Well they do also adapt
British Ben,
Great video. I had forgotten some of these non-warp means of FTL travel.
As for my favorites:
* Spore Drive - I love the spinning effect when Disco teleports across space. Also, the ship traveling via mushroom highway is crazy enough to fit in Trek. After all, the franchise has magic tech (replicators) and intelligent space jellyfish.
* Bajoran Wormhole - Yes, the wormhole is scientifically plausible. But it's the LOOK of the wormhole that sells it. The opening of the wormhole is a stunning event that it makes sense so many races would flock to it.
* Graviton Catapult - I forgot about this one until you mentioned it. The GC is cool because it's simple, but effective: load ship and then launch. It's a futuristic twist on old technology.
So, that's my list. Keep up the great work.
There was also the Barzan wormhole that turned out to be unstable, sending two Ferengi to the Delta Quadrant. They make another appearance in VOY and ruin the crew’s chances of getting home
Drive. We are talking about drives. Wormholes wouldn’t count. That would be like saying you have a very fast bicycle, because you jumped it off a cliff and went fast on the way down.
I love quantum slipstream! I really wish that "hero ships" of Star Trek (Enterprise, Defiant, a new Voyager, etc) would be fitted with them. I always felt it looked exactly like *hyperspace from Star Wars*. It could literally bridge the 2 sci fi franchises if they really wanted to. They're sitting on a gold mine and they don't even know it. Subspace vortices and transwarp also sound like hyperspace drive, too. And I love underspace corridors, too 8-)
My favorite part was explaining the FTL drive of the Bajoran wormhole.
I also LOVED Voyager’s Timeless it is also one of the best episodes of the show in my opinion
It's not made explicit in the episode, but I think the deal with the coaxial warp drive was that the larger the ship, the more likely it was to fail catastrophically (ship go boom), which could explain why Voyager never tried to integrate it into their systems. Their shuttles could've likely used it safely, but the writers probably never even considered that.
One thing. When Voyager was following the Delta Flyer, Harry Kim was transmitting phase variances, not navigational coordinates.
In the episode "Spock's Brain", they encountered an Ion drive. No mention of it... The Romulans use a confined singularity to power their warp core. No mention of that either.
this is warp drive but they reactor use this
Warbirds still slower than ENTERPRISE D
Ion drive is a sublight engine.
The fastest any Star Trek ship traveled was in TNG, Season 1 Episode 6 ( Where no man has gone before), an alien from Tau Alpha C known as the Traveler takes the Enterprise to Outer Rim of the universe in a matter of a few hours, estimated speed of 100 trillion x speed of light.
I think the spore drive is stil faster but he who am i
That was more the Traveler than it was the ship so it doesn't really count.
@@gatecitten The spore drive is limited to where the network itself has expanded to. If it's a part of the universe the network isn't there, it's useless.
Actually we don't know the size of the universe. We can guess, and we have quite a range in the guesses (from equal to the size of the observable universe to a few sextillion lightyears). Also it took a lot less time than a few hours, it was more like a minute or two. Therefore the top speed could be as high as 5 octillion times the speed of light.
@@DayneTreader That jump to the edge of the universe only took a couple minutes at the most, for sure.
5:22 Hey, is Barcley's Disco Theme actually "One Must Fall 2097" OST? :)
Am I the only one that thinks the Graviton Catapult sounds like a Mass Relay?
Probably where Bioware got the idea from.
A lot of Mass Effect was inspired by Babylon 5, so they probably threw in some Star Trek for good measure.
The concept of gateways into some form of FTL or launcher has always been in SciFi. I even wrote a short story during Elementary school about the discovery of an ancient alien gateway in our solar system.
Yea imo it's clearly a sky hook or orbital delivery system to anyone physicist who doesn't watch star trek (if such a person exists 🤣)!
Well it does relay mass
7:45 - You are a true beast, mister! My hat goes down for you.
I personally adore the Quantum Slipstream Drive. I loved "Hope and Fear" and that effect. It was just immensely stylish and I felt bad when they kept reusing the effect for different FTL systems after that.
Spatial bias drive (slip wave drive) the only Scientifically possible form of ftl that can be done now
The idea for the Slip Wave Bias Drive uses a pressure-wave gradient to move a spaceship that is encased in a specially shaped magnetic field bubble.
i agree with Star Trek Online technology progression with the drives. i think Trans Warp and Slipstream were the next best evolutionary steps needed for more exploration of the universe. Subspace distortions and Time Drives are what was needed in order of them to achieve what Q hinted at in All Good things, Humanity exploring alternate worlds and timelines.
I absolutely agree, but what Star Trek Online gets wrong is Subspace Vortex, which combined with the Gravity Well and Temporal Anchor trait from the Legendary Glenn, can pull 500K DPS in ISA run.
Timeless greet ep. Awesome video and of course you cant include Q, I mean the dude is so badass he takes a break in an alternate reality and becomes Alarak the highlord of the Tal'darim. The dude is a beast.
John de Lancie also voices the Human President in the fourth Master of Orion game. His villainous counterpart, the Terran Khan, is voiced by Freddy Krueger himself
I kinda wanna know where the FSD(Frame shift drive) from Elite dangerous fits in this scale
Improbability Drive is basically Warp 10 from Threshold, we can only hope that Threshold is not canon.
Maybe it is an Improbability Drive I mean what happened in that episode was pretty improbable.
Threshold is at the very least canon with Lower Decks, because we can see a transwarp newt in one episode.
What did the Caretaker use? It took Voyager all the way across the galaxy in a few seconds. The Borg don't invent anything. they assimilate it. What about the Guardian of forever? Neither alive or a machine? How about the transporter in All of Yesterday's? Probably the same technology of the Iconian's. The Iconian Gateway.
Almost every drive in this video was from Voyager and i love it!
voyager was great, also all of them are just star wars style Hyperspace with different names and colors of the tube they fly through.
Quantum Slipstream was heavily used by citizens of the Galaxy in the 32nd Century Pre-Burn because of the scaresity of the supply of Dillithium Booker Ship has 3 types of Drive onboard, Warp Drive, Quantum Drive, and Tachyon Sail Drive but he mostly used Quantum Drive on the daily basis if there's no Dillithium onboard.
I liked the catapult because it seems like something the federation could realistically use if they set up enough of them. Also it reminds me of the mass relays in Mass Effect, and look how far those could take starships. I know that Voyager episode came out a long time before Mass Effect but still.
I love the barcley episodes
Good to see you Ben, I just saw American Ben make a great 40K video great to catch up with you I'm about to have a look here I'm trying to up my Star Trek trivia knowledge y'all a great source.
Then there was a crossover story with Doctor Who, which means that the TARDIS is the fastest form of FTL in Star Trek.
While the story is not official canon (yet), there is the matter of StarFleet having access to Gallifreyan _bigger on the inside_ tech for some of its ships - particular Voyager's hangar bay and doors.
Wait...what? I have seen literally every episode of Star Trek (except the OG animated series) at least once, and I do not remember Doctor Who ever making an appearance.
@@jamessuraciart its a book I think
that's why it is not canon
there is also a a book where they make contact with the planets of thr apes
@@a.l.e.x8118 Ah, okay. Makes sense. Which Planet of the Apes? The old school ones? The one from the early 2000's, or the good ones with Caeser?
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I have no idea
personally i find those crossovers too funky
I saw it on the last page of a cross cult book as an advert
The Tardis travels through time not space. So really, the Tardis doesn't move, the universe bends around it.
What about the spatial flecture in Q2 or the geodesic fold from the Voyager episode with holo Barclay?
I would have included the tech Q's son used and the one man time ship with Captain Braxton.
Love how the aliens sent a superweapon who just make some markings on the ground and leave when they could had just launched a ball of iron with the speed faster than light.
The Borg invented?!? Did they say it in the show? That's unlikely, they must've assimilated the species that build them.
It's highly implied by Seven of Nine that the tech was assimilated from a Beta Quadrant species.
We know nothing of Species 0, as Seven of Nine has stated that data from that time period is lost.
Unlikely the borg be able to invent when their orders are clear to follow instructions and not think on their own. They're community of communists where the foreman is the brain and you do not think without the foreman's approval. At the same time being encouraged to take intiative who is all about efficiency in working faster and better but not smarter.
Technically, Warp 10 is still faster than these drives.
In Voyager. In TOS and TNG they went warp 10 and faster several times.
@@rwleif Not actually the case as in TNG and beyond they used a different warp scale as indicated by the TNG crew and I believe other manuals. And in either case the Voyager warp 10 is still much faster then anything in TOS as they still had traveling distance while Tom Paris claimed to be everywhere at once
@@theinnerhollow3006 Even in TNG they went past warp 10, though. In Where No One Has Gone Before and All Good Things, for example.
@@rwleif True, was just commenting on the TOS faster than warp 10 thing, and even in TNG the Tom Paris warp 10 is faster as it was anywhere instantaneously but I'll have to watch both episodes to legitimately compare the 2
NEEEEEEEEEEERDS
We also have to include the Traveller into the mix. He showed Wesley Crusher how to phase a starship's engines to go to the limits of speed, and this could be used on any warp capable ship.
they travelled to another galaxy
Gotta applaud you for going through all those episodes and doing the math.
Great Video! Very Informative
Great video, you should do one on all the massive space distortions in the trek universe
There was also rhe Traveler in TNG! At least I think this is what he was called... in the Italian translation it's Viaggiatore which means traveler... the alien who appeared both in seasons 1 and 7
That translation is accurate to the entity's name in English.
Quantum Slipstream! Surely the technical aspects could be figured out.
Thanks for making this a star Trek Centric video!
Iconian method of travel, stepping through a doorway!
Always made me wonder why they didn’t just make multiple slip stream jumps. 4 short jumps and there home.
because by the third jump they would be in romulan space near Romulus which wouldn't be beneficial to voyager
@@starleighpersonal I'd rather be sitting parked right over the romulan senate building than being any where near a vidiian vessel. So I would take my odds with the Romulans. At least their ale is good.
@@averageND Worf would disagree with the ale part
@@starleighpersonal The Romulan Empire doesn't have ships fast enough to catch Voyager so that wouldn't be a problem. It was probably due to the instability and the presumed failure of the drive given Kim's calculations gave disrupted it.
Voyager's Warp 10 and TNG's Soliton wave didn't get an honourable mention.
How many others didn't make the final list?
The transwarp jokes were very funny by the way.
Well, EVERYTHING is 'trans' these days! Even the WARPED ones! ;o)
Cheeseburgers and loneliness are a dangerous combination😂😂
Could transwarp corridors be considered hyperspace lanes, in theory?
Kinda.
Transwarp corridors, Subspace Vortex, Underspace - they are all largely artificial FTL networks.
Star Wars hyperspace lanes seem to be simply easy to travel, often traveled, well charted hyperspace routes.
My theory is Star Wars is 40th or 50th century Star Trek, from the Star Trek point of view I think it makes sense but I don’t know about Star wars
The Beast Mothership from Homeworld Cataclysm
The coaxial warp drive would have worked if the piolet would spend his life consuming the spice melange.
So glad to hear you got your mic issues sorted.
Voth Transwarp, casually blinked 30 lightyears in 3 seconds (including the windup and exiting animations), giving it a lowball estimate of 10 lightyears per second and a highball of 30 lightyears per second
Do the Kelvan modifications to the USS Enterprise from the episode: "By Any Other Name" TOS 2x21 count? They were going to the Andromeda galaxy.
Any kind of propulsion technology exists
Voyager: We must try it.
Old video I know, but, there was also the method the son of Q used when he stole the Delta Flyer. Though based on what he (and later engineer Reed in Enterprise) said it sounded like he used a similar or possibly the same method the Xindi used to open the vortexs they travel through as both methods worked by using the deflector array to create an opening in subspace.
In Star Trek: Prodigy, we're introduced to the protostar drive, which uses a literal protostar to achieve proto-warp and can allow a ship to traverse up to 4,000 light years in a matter of minutes.
You mention the Catapult but not the coherent tetryon beam Array Displacement Wave that took Voyager into the Delta Quadrant in the first place?!
0:13 talking about Threshold.
Always loved alternatives to warp and still to this day the Quantum Slipstream drive is my favorite
It could work if a ship is constructed around it from the get-go, which is what that race did. They tried to adapt the Voyager to it and couldn’t. The equipment and the geometry is all wrong.
It would be like trying to adapt the spore drive to a ship without a spinning ring
@@artembentsionov True, but still one of my favorites and still holds potential for Starfleet(better than transwarp at least cause at least Voyager has everything on the drive still while the transwarp coil is fried)
Q is the North American Defense Command located in Central Florida.
Had fun, so next, we a shot at the non-drive, "instant-get-you-there", methods of travel.
On the second season of the Discovery series where they were on the 31st century, the Spore drive had been nerfed so it could probably only travel inside the Milky Way galaxy, as something aabout the galactic barrier acted against the micelial network as well.
2:10 this sounds exactly like star wars hyperspace, just a different word for it. Wonder how this scales with earth.
What about the blink drive from Dark Matter?
I'm not sure exactly but if we had more info on it, the Caretaker's displacement wave was some sort of ftl technology. Either that or a transporter
as you said , excluding the Q's traveling around, but Q's son Q (junior) used the shuttles deflector to open a rift of sorts as well ...
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Spore drive was just a dumbed-down version of the Guild Navigators from Dune.
I think it’s also partly based on slipstream from *Andromeda*. It also requires an organic pilot, and the visuals from when they’re returning to the prime universe are very similar to *Andromeda*’s slipstream
@@artembentsionov Haven't seen that show. It certainly has an interesting premise. Thanks for the recommendation!
@@no_one01-5 the show is based on Roddenberry’s idea for a Trek show set in a post-Federation world. It never got traction. He tried to adapt it to a show twice before it finally took off as Andromeda, after his death, of course. Federation became Commonwealth, Starfleet became High Guard, Klingons became Nietzscheans, Vulcans became Perseids (sort of, they’re very emotional about science), etc.
On the other hand, the show has slightly more realistic physics in that all sensors and comms are lightspeed, so if you see something a light minute away, it already happened 60 seconds ago.
There was speculation that Discovery’s third season would be an attempt to bring the concept back home, but it turned into something else
@@artembentsionov "Nietzcheans"? That's subtle. 😄
But like I said, it's premise sounds interesting and if I find it somewhere, I'm definitely going to watch it. 🙂
@@no_one01-5 they’re not aliens. They’re a genetically-engineered human subspecies. They practice warped beliefs based on Nietzsche’s philosophy and the works of Ayn Rand (their homeworld is called Fountainhead). Their main goal in life is to spread their genes as much as possible, thus their men seek to be as strong and cunning as possible to show their breeding to potential mates, and women seek out those qualities in them. It’s not uncommon for successful men to have multiple wives. Love is irrelevant in their culture.
A typical Nietzchean introduces himself by stating his full name (first and last name, which are often historical in nature; one time there was even a guy named Genghis Stalin), then his pride (yes, they divide themselves into prides like lions), and then the names of his parents (e.g. “out of Victoria by Barbarossa”). Sometimes they’re asked for more details about their genealogy, as if they’re horses or something.
The episodes used to be on RUclips, but it seems they’ve been taken down since I last checked. If you have Amazon Prime, they’re available on there (with ads)
Coaxial warp drive was "stolen" from Dune. The Holzmann effect was used to fold space, permitting inertia-less instantaneous travel over vast distances. The Navigators (or Steersmen) use Spice to provide a limited view of the future, so allowing them to guide the ship.
Two groups of two on this list I had remembered as the same travel method.
😂😂😂 Transwarp! I love it!
I've long held the idea that if you can travel in time then you can travel to any point in space in an instant. Instead of moving forward or backward in time you move sideways. Given the Federation's understanding of temporal dynamics for ST:TOS Voyager should have been able to figure out a temporal manipulation based travel system relatively easily. But then you end the story too soon and the studio makes no money.
Cool vid ever Star Trek has hyperspace communications in st 2
Is the spore drive just an organic means of accessing the sub-space that the Borg have learned how to create mechanically?
See Gilbert Gossayn in "Null-A Three"(Van Vogt) for instant teleport.
The caretakers array was not mentioned, how they pulled voyager 70000 light years across the galaxy
it's interesting that some of these FTL's were used in other sci-fi's an example would be the spore drive something that gave the same results was used in the series Dark Mater
I wonder what speed it is that the navigators do using spice to fold space
The Starfleet had Transwarp drive in the future that was shown to Picard in the episode All Good Things. Q was moving Picard through time, putting in motion the series of events that places Picard on Captain Beverly Picard’s medical ship
and in Star Trek III Transwarp Excelsior (the one that Scotty sabotaged, but I don't think that was truly "transwarp" just a name to say Excelsior was "suped up" compared to Enterprise 1701 of the time.
In "Andromeda", they use quantum slipstream as well... BTW, that series was created using unused material from Gene Roddenberry and was produced by his widow...
come on ben, we all know getting high going into space and travelling in ftl always ALWAYS begins in a disco, then depending on the quality of the discotheque drive determines how many days later youll return home to earth
"and now for our final faster than warpdrive system"
*mcdonalds ad plays*
You definitely forgot one, the one that turned Janeway and the pilot of the ship to revert back into some lizards lol. The war drive allowed you to be at any place or point in time and space. I’m sorry I can’t remember the name I’m gonna try to find it. Lol
I don't remember what the warp 10+ infinite velocity drive was called.
And. The traveler
And the protostar's drive
You totally forgot Trajector Technology from Voyager episode Prime Factors.
I bet Data is a beast in the sheets lol
The graviton slingshot thingy is kind of like the mass relays of mass effect, but without any real discussion of the science of it.
What about the Traveler? He used currant Warp Drive with modifications an his own thoughts to make the ship focus its travel speeds.
Spore Drive. Looks very much like the drive the Andromeda Ascendant uses in the series ANDROMEDA.
The NX 21980 USS QED has an experimental drive system based on 58th century technology. The drive when active entangles the ship, crew, and everything else within the field's AOE to particles at the destination. With an effective range of 4,000 ly, the drive is capable of returning a ship from the Delta quadrant in 19 jumps or roughly 5 seconds. By entangling particles, folding space, then unfolding space; a ship can travel to any destination within 4,00 ly in just under 1/10 of a second.
I like the hitch hikers guide to the galaxy and star trek
Stargate has the Atlantis Wormhole drive, and the Super Gate that allows star ships to gate between galaxies, the distance between our galaxy and the Ori galaxy was estimated to be between 50 million - 150 million light years. Using the time of an average gate trip would make the super gate the winner when we remove the improb drive.
While true, the focus of this video was specifically Star Trek.
My favorite of Star Trek Voyager episodes is the episode Dark Frontier
Fun fact, Paul Stamets, chief engineer of the discovery who's also a mycologist (scientist who studies fungi) shawes his EXACT name with an actual mycologist 😂
So I have an interesting question that I've heard floated around for a while now with people coming down on both sides.
Are the Q magic or super advanced tech?
Yes
What about the displacement wave generated by the Caretaker array to take Voyager 70,000 lightyears in minutes, similar to the Chrono Deflector in that it displaces spacetime however it's more stable/reliable than the deflector and can be initiated remotely, e.g. halfway across the galaxy from the generating station, making by far the most efficient way to travel.
I always thought that was the dumbest thing about STV, blowing up the caretaker array instead of defending it.
There is a new FTL Drive introduced in Discovery called SB-19, I hoped in season 4 will explained what it does and what it's limits and danger.
Good job
What about in the Star Trek episode where these aliens from the Andromeda galaxy took over the Enterprise and installed a warp upgrade, which set them to Warp 25 ... to take them back to the Andromeda galaxy
The Coaxial drive look a lot like the Stark/Pym time travel method from the MCU.
Thank you. I enjoyed that. Most channels never mention the different drives in Star Trek (I think they jealous because they are technically faster than their favourite sci-fi/fantasy series). Please do a video on largest non-natural structures in sci-fi? I'd love to see how Star Treks Dyson Sphere measures in comparison.
The TimeShip from Futures End (VOY) Its so fast it gets there in the past. Going all the way back to earth through one vortex. Its like the Chrono deflector but better. Being from the 29th century it doesn't burn itself out. It just blows up entire solar systems if you get it wrong....