I wouldn't want to be stuck on a runabout for anything more than a few days, but something like this I could full on live aboard. It's anything from a cargo ship to a superyacht. I'd want one.
Imagine having one of these and do side jobs all around the Galaxy, delivering cargo and passengers from planet to planet, recruiting crew and upgrading it until it's truly yours... That's a game I would play
@@DominikJaniec Too many pirates and too many guns in elite for me, I like the idea of a Star Trek one a lot more. Ofc STO is 90% fighting, but I think it would be possible to have more diplomatic options in a game that wasn't more or less a reskinned default MMORPG
Ever since I saw it on Voyager, the Raven has been my go to answer for all those "what sci-fi ship would you pick" type questions. Definitely seems like a livable and homey ship.
Could be a "hero ship" for a smaller crew. I imagine a private contractor attached to a starship or operating out of well developed star system spending weeks and months in transit or on assignment. It is basically Star Trek YT-1300, Millennium Falcon.
Yeah, a tv show with a ship like the Raven. One that’s had to Millennium Falcon treatment, to make a comparison across franchises. A heavily modified home base type ship
@@hamishsewell5990 I mean I don't really disagree but there are issues with a private citizen "owning" something as insanely expensive as a star ship, although from the episode I got the impression it was more on loan. You can own a star ship in Star Wars because they use credits but the federation doesn't do currency. I've always wondered how does private property like Picards vineyard work but it's a show and it's best to not ask to many questions sometimes.
@@GeorgeWashingtonLaserMusket yeah, the two systems make it difficult. Was just using the Falcon as a comparison, an independent ship. There’s also the Errant Venture from the old Expanded Universe, the only privately owned Imperial Star Destroyer
A Raven Type would be a perfect hero ship for a game! A game where you don't play as an official Starfleet officer or at most, a low-ish rank with high autonomy. The ship can be modified as the game progress and it is small enough for interior to be customized by you and the crew you recruit along your adventure.
Here's what I think. The Raven Class is not a military vessel. Its a likely a civillian design that was contracted by the federation to fill in some science roles. I believe the Raven was a vessel designed for the purpose of being a multi-use transport primarily for civillian and private use. It can be constructed for use in civillian roles such as transportation, luxury yacht, Star Tours vessel, Private Vessel, and a variety of roles for private defense forces, police, or military, and science roles. It looks like a massive shuttle and not having a saucer like traditional Federation vessels gives more reason to believe it is likely not really Fed Military build and likely is ship company that occasionally picks up contracts and likely specializes in shuttles and light transport ships, both which are likely to be popular to civilians and or private military, with the feds, and research companies occasionally contracting some. I believe that Ravens science varients were limited production variants to give the federation something to give to science teams as they phased out the horrible Orberth line and entered the new Nova class. These vessels being phased out once the Nova turned up in numbers and either left to be scrap or a couple fed officers managed to reconvert them into private ships or they got thrown to science institutes which could use them without the feds wondering where a ship went. Perhaps the company that built the Raven is even the one that later is contracted to build the Dunabe as it shares similar design traits possibly being a smaller stubby raven class designed specifically for the federation military as a heavy shuttle. Showing the Raven Design is quite decent. This also strengthen my belief that the Oberth was a civillian vessel as well. The Oberth being essentially a large yacht design to be similar to a federation starship, It was made during the TOS movie era so the idea of civilians wanting a vessel that looked similar to your military isn't to far fetched, The feds however saw it and liked it enough likely picked up the design and took the licence to build their own vessels and turned it into a science vessel but its flimsy design and fittings made it ill suited for anything but pure science and or extremely light patrol duties similar to coast guard. The thing is if this is true then its very possible that well the Oberth is dead as a starship for the federation, there could be a bunch of privately owned oberths flying around.
Awesomely written. It certainly seems the Danube class was Starfleet calling the civilian shipwrights that build the Raven/Aerie class and saying "hey... do that again, but smaller."
I can't recall off the top of my head right now, but I do recall Starfleet ships being "sold" for civilian Federation use and/or for aligned/allied none federation planets. The ships would just have the classified/newest tech removed. So if they had version 3.5 you could buy version 2.8 type thing. Even with the Romulans those Romulan looking people had a bird of prey in A Final Unity (game).
I've always liked the idea of a vessel that could double up pretty much as a home, kind of like the Millennium Falcon from Star wars. I actually could see a Han Solo type character operating one of these.
If I lived in the Star Trek universe This is the ship I would want, It would make a great cargo Ship. Start Fleet always used to upgrade there ships all the time.
I like to think modularity is just a feature Starfleet likes to run with for as many ship types as possible. My headcanon is that all Starfleet ships are built to have a lot of easily replaceable "plug-and-play" components, which allows Starfleet to easily upgrade vessels to keep them state-of-the-art as quickly as possible. Which, combined with the fact Starfleet ships are so rugged that anything less than absolute destruction still lets you recover and repair the frame to space-worthiness, is why you see so many old ships lasting for so long; Until a ship is made utterly obsolete, it's still worth maintaining and upgrading.
The Oberth I'm pretty sure was a civillian design that was never meant to see any type of combat other than maybe defending itself from local idiots. At most it likely was a yacht, or police or planetary version of a coast guard vessel. Starfleet picking it up for science duties and patrols was likely them just finding something cheap to fill in roles that were needed but didn't have the money or resources and time to invest in a actual good design like the NOVA that would come around later. The Raven however gives the impression of a ship that was designed both as a civilian model and one for direct military and science applications and more importantly from a company that seems to know what its doing considering that the Dunabe Shuttles in DS9 look like stubby Ravens and were tough and extremely useful. Betting anything it was a shuttle company with a long history of making shuttles for civilians and contracts for the military, the Raven was likely the companies attempt of making a starship based on its shuttle designs, and the Raven design influence would go into the Dunabe which itself essentially is a little starship.
upgrade the Warp core, shield generators and Hull and make it specifically to be a photon or quantum torpedoes ship and you have the 23rd century's version of a PT boat
I like the Raven-Type, the Sydney Class and the Erewon-class ships in star trek exept there isn't much into on the Erewon-class however it would be cool to see a video on it.
I had the same thought about this and the La Sirena types we saw in Picard, they are just the right size for a, "Home" type ship. Not so big as to make you feel lonely wandering its corridors and rooms if you're travelling alone or with just a handful of you, but big enough so that you can stretch your legs while on trips between the stars.
I love niche ships, its good world building for Star Trek. Not everyone in the UFP would be a starfleet officer, other organisations would have to exist and have their own ships.
I wouldn't mind seeing these in game as maybe frigate type hangar pets with an array of more advanced science capabilities than normal and maybe the armaments upgraded to be a pair of omnis and perhaps some unique kinda launcher to complement it's science abilities like maybe a tachyon infused photon torp for enhanced shield cracking.
Personally if I were to somehow obtain a Star Trek license and Paramount gave permission to tell a story outside of Starfleet, an a few million to make a game. This or possibly a updated design for the ship.
i liked this ship. a small ship for a small crew , who could research something tiny, small or not needed that much people. instead of sending a ship with 100's or 1000 of people for a simple survey mission.
The Raven looks much like the long-range transport in the TNG episode "Relics" Scotty was aboard, the USS Jenolan. but yeah, still just another Red-Shirt ship in battle.
The Hansen's pursuit of and assimilation by the Borg happened 15 years before the Enterprise-D made first contact with the Borg in 2365 in system J-25. Captain Picard, one of the most experienced and senior captains in Starfleet had never come across nor heard about anything like the Borg during that fateful encounter.
Likely wouldn't have been reported at least to your regular officers. Section 31 likely was aware. At most the feds could have made the case that Hansen was stupid and when he disappeared they simply lost contact with him following a alien ship.
@@Quetzalcoatl_Feathered_Serpent My point was, how did the Hansens know of the Borg but Starfleet didn't? It's not like they accidentally stumbled across a Borg ship, the deliberately set out to find them. They knew what they were looking for.
@@asvarien As explained by this video (and also the VOY episode featuring them) they weren't initially looking for the Borg specifically, they were examining some anomalous readings out on the fringes of Federation space. By the time they discovered the source of the readings (which is what they were deliberately trying to find, they did not know it was a Borg ship, or even what a Borg was) they had crossed the Neutral Zone and gone through Romulan space to end up in unclaimed deep space. Knowing they'd be arrested for illegally crossing the Neutral zone and entering Romulan territory (twice) if they went back to the Federation and they didn't have anything to show for it except some long distance readings on an unknown ship is what led them to investigate further, develop a way to get close to a Cube undetected (or, rather, thinking they were undetected when actually they were very much detected, but not considered worthy of notice by the Borg yet) and eventually follow it to the Delta quadrant. By the time the Hansens knew enough about the Borg that it would've allowed Picard to recognise the Borg when the Enterprise-D encountered them, they were already in the Delta Quadrant with no way to actually communicate what they'd found back to the Federation.
An upgrade of this ship would be a grate option for a "Prime Team" if they had to go further than shuttle or runabout range but Star Fleet didn't want to divert a whole Starship for the job or they needed to go Covert.
I really do like this ship as it's a very appropriate 'step up' ship from a 'starter ship' you could imagine yourself operating, especially in an MMO RPG setting with a focus on you as an individual character
Though it was bigger than the Runabouts we're used to seeing (though I could be wrong about this), I imagine that Raven-type ships may have actually been an early, less advanced type of Runabout variant. Basically, where the DS9 (era) Runabouts more or less directly evolved from, if that makes any sense...?
I thought the same thing. A Runabout could easily be based on the same hull configuration and mission profile, but scaled down to a size where it could easily fit the large shuttlebays found on starbases and some starship classes: (Galaxy, Nebula, Sovereign, et all)
The Raven would make an excellent privateering and blockade runner vessel. It is inconspicuous, easy to upgrade and you can probably fit in all sorts of aftermarket "improvements" in it. Would love to see it in a series or game set in the Star Trek universe, but not with main cast of Starfleet officers.
I'd have one, maybe 50% wider on the main fuselage though, allowing more cargo space, or room for a slightly bigger warp core, to bump the speed up a notch or two.
The speed would be easy enough to upgrade without any real changes to the frame, just pull out the obsolete ones and replace with "modern" equivalents. A full refit would do well there in making it something up to standard. Upgrade the armor to standard and similar.
compare/contrasting the Raven/Danube styles i have decided that: a solid land-vehicle comparison is; the Runabout is a sprinter-style delivery van (that can also low-gear tug so more akin to a cargo crossover with a low profile .. ) and the Raven is … an RV full of hippie scientists, and so favored by the Hansens XD i'm only @ 6:19/9:34 .. lesse if i hit anything on The Dartboard :3 love yr vids Ric, have for years with no sign of stopping 🖖✨
The fact that the ship was towed small and extremely lightly armed makes you really question The Hansens decision to bring their six-year-old daughter with them on what was clearly a mission that could be extremely dangerous
In "Dark Frontier," it's pretty obvious that the Hansens' Federation optimism gave way to naivety when they act like first contact with the Borg could turn out to be a friendly one. It also shows where Seven gets that rash impulsive streak from.
There are a lot of complicated considerations to tell the truth. Is it safer to leave her at home on a colony? What if the colony is raided by the Gorn or a Doomsday Machine cruises by? What if they had left her at Tarod Colony? Tarod is the colony that the Borg scooped up in TNG: "The Neutral Zone". The Star Trek universe isn't really safe anywhere. V'Ger, The Whale Probe, and the Borg twice attacked Earth itself in one century. Add five years and you can count The Breen attack too. With that kind of consideration it may be more meaningful and rational to simply take your family with you. And the Hansen's didn't die because of the ship. They died because their tech that they designed failed for a brief moment. Honestly considering how the Borg operate they could've had any ship of that time and the result would've been the same.
@@keithtorgersen9664 Quite certainly. I didn't say it was a good decision on their part, but I can understand it. They were very successful for a long time. Curious enough if they had left her behind then disappeared, I can see her also resenting them for abandoning her for their work.
Just like real life, if you want to be safe, comfortable, and stable in Trek, you have to be boring. That's why so many kids think their parents are dull -- the kids with exciting parents are orphans.
The shape and Silhouette of it reminds me more of a first strike craft. a military Ship rather than Science Vessel. It has a perfect sight and any weapons on top and bottom of the ship have a free 160° firing arc. Add some torpedos to the bow and stern of the vessel and it can quickly and effectively deal with smaller vessels.
Once upon a midnight dreary, while we pondered, weak and weary, Over many a quaint and curious volume of forgotten lore- While I nodded, nearly napping, suddenly there came a tapping, As of some one gently rapping, rapping at our airlock door. “’Tis some visitor,” we muttered, “tapping at our airlock door- Only the Borg and nothing more.” ~ Seven Parents 😏
I wonder if anyone bought one and converted it to be a flying space yacht? You wouldn't use it to go anywhere near the borders of the Federation or any contested area, but using to travel to other Federation worlds to do business, sort of like a fancy Lear Jet, or going on a pleasure cruise or honeymoon cruise, would be nice. One question - how did the Hanson's keep up with a Borg Cube? I doubt the scouting Cube was puttering around at warp 5 when it visited the Romulan/Federation border area. Or that, once in Borg Space, that the Cube would travel so slowly.
A "home ship". That's a great moniker I hadn't heard of or though about before. Are there any other homeships in Star Trek? La Sirenna didn't get drawn out much into a character on Picard like other series starships do.
I always headcanon there are countless raven class ships out there that Starfleet decommissioned and were bought by private owners and became merchant ships. They kinda are the perfect merchant traveling ship. Then add the halobar and you have the perfect Ferengi home ship.
strange that maquis never adopted this class for their own activities(combat), I mean with few modification this ship could be turn into light battle frigate, more resilient version of the raider perhaps ?
I like the Raven type as well. Could do well for a story setting, small crew of traders always getting in over their heads and ferrying goods and people around the galaxy. Would work better if there was an actual economy in Star Trek like there was in Star Wars, but I guess you could always say there's credits to be made they just don't mean much on paper and don't translate well outside of the Federation. Would also help if there was an actual set canon deck plan for the ship as well as the number of decks, but I guess that's asking too much of Star Trek.
I think class name in apocrypha is typo, cuz it should be Eyrie instead of Aerie (someone wrote name like it spoken with american accent). So by that all ships of that class would be named by birds like for example: Raven, Swallow, Seagull, Eagle etc.
I would absolutely LOVE to see a crew of 12 on one of these. Maybe the first Star Trek show to focus on a crew that's not star fleet? It would be fun to see an old washed-up engineer get his hands on a ship and set out hunting for lost tech
It occurred to me whilst watching that considering the house design language in both raven type and runabout that the Valkyrie class carrier could conceivably be from the same shipyard.
adding holograpic emitters so I can have a backup crew, upgrading the old tech to new standards like the warpcore, phasers, torpedo launchers. change the interior cabins from drab federation standard to something more personal. Also change the hull colour to something different than mat grey.
Much more powerful and advanced nacelles and engine core, and improved impulse engines for increased maneuverability. Not to mention much stronger shields/more powerful weapons systems. Oh, and I'd have her painted red, white, and black on the dorsal, amidships, and ventral sections respectively.
I think it would make a great hero ship for a Star Trek Universe TV show that didn't center around Star Fleet but a group of independents looking to nake money in different ways while modifying the ship accordingly but with creative limitations.
It would be nice to see this ship being remade as a mark 2 variant so to speak. This time with a far better warpcore and perhaps some more options. It would make a excellent ship for STO as welll as small ship aka shuttle size.
It always narked me about how irresponsible it was of the Hansens to take their kid on a mission to study the Borg. But then again, the Enterprise-D was chock full of kids and it was in battles virtually every week... Also, whilst I realise the Raven might be designed with reliability over performance in mind, how can 2 people run a starship for months whilst Starfleet vessels apparently need dozens of engineering staff? Is Starfleet overstaffed...? 😂
Real-world Navy vessels have more crew than private or commercial vessels of similar size. They have to plan around the need to repair battle damage and continue the mission after half the crew has been killed.
I always thought this class would be a better Testbed ship then an Oberth (like the Pegasus) for experimental propulsion, shielding or warp cores, being the perfect size between a shuttle, and a more dedicated Starship. I also think Starfleet might of missed a trick during the Dominion War with Raven-types. An Upgunned and Uparmoured Raven-class (Aerie?) would have been able to operate in the role of a small attack craft, much like the Federation Attack Fighter, whilst having a much reduced crew requirement then a full sized Starship, with greater survivability than a Fighter.
I wonder whe starfleet did not uild the raven type mininshis that could of bridge the gap betwwem shuttle amd defiant class with upgtade defianf class tech
You might think that the Raven type is kind of small to be classified as a Starship but, runabouts are also Starships. I'm pretty sure I learned that on this channel😂
One could argue a Runabout is an "Auxiliary Craft" in some sense as they can fit in many larger ship's shuttle bays. As well as being a self-contained vessel in it's own right.
It could be more of a civilian ship rather than a federation vessel. Similar to today, you can buy your own water craft of varying size, and engine type. And this is something not well reflected in star trek. Citizens may want their own ships to travel and do their own things
this raven type aerie class ship is bacly a much more massive larger brother of the runnabout shuttle on seriolds that been bascly masvly scaled up bascly. it also can be used as a deep stike and recon craft if fited with tactal combat modules as well if starfleet made any that is.
See, the problem is, you discover that they say it can accelerate to 0.9C just with the impulse engines, but that would imply relativistic effects that Star Trek has not tackled
You know the Heisenberg Compensator in the transporter? When you reverse the polarity on that, it functions as an Einstein Compensator for your impulse drive.
It strikes me as being a civilian vessel and probably just looks like a Star Fleet vessel because the technology just works and is freely available. Probably needed to be registered and checked by officials - but once done is mostly free to go anywhere in Federation space and beyond (with flight plans and permission).
Though it may have originally been Star Fleet, I suppose. Just phased out of active service and given to civilian organisations to continue being useful.
@@andromidius Design doesn't match traditional fed designs. Seems more like a contracted design outside your typical federation ship builder. Also I don't think the federation would be willing to hand out old federation designs to civilian organizations. They do seem to mothball then either scrap the design and or throw them against something 40 to 50 years more advanced. Maybe a few got into civilian hands destroyed or ruined, salvaged and restored and put into use as single ship museum perhaps. I imagine there might be a couple tos designs running around as small ship museums.
I was wondering if it found use in the private sector as a personal transport for families or private explorers with some modifications for modern tech after it started being phased out. I could see it being useful, with some modifications, as a colony’s planetary defense ship or transport for supplies. Fun thoughts.
This design would have made much more sense if the bridge looked more like a shuttle of the time. As it stands, it wasn't until much later when the ugly Runabouts, came out that it any tie to Federation design.
I love at there was a small Federation ship that could be operated by only a few people. I find the designation as a colony ship ludicrous as if they were calling a Ford Expedition SUV a suitable transport to start a new town, and expecting it to succeed. But then, a few TNG episodes visit failing colony worlds that look poorly planned.
I feel like it's a 'colony ship' in the sense of being a good ship to be operated by a newly started colony for general purpose use. It wouldn't be suited to hold the bulk of the actual colonists, but it would certainly be serviceable as a ship to transport the initial team (and their materials) going in first to built some preliminary facilities so that the colonists have somewhere to live and organise when they first arrive. And cheap enough to remain in-system for use by the colony, while the big colony ships that transport the bulk of the colonists move on to transport colonists and materials to another colony (or more colonists and materials for the current one).
@@RvEijndhoven AHhhhh I see what you mean. Something that would stick around as a support ship for a fledgling world, not a passenger/cargo bulk hauler.
This is the kind of ship Han Solo would fly if he found his self in Federation space. Though by the time he was done with it, it would be quite a bit faster and more well armed.
I’d like a raven type ship as my home with engines! I could fly about the galaxy doing whatever I wanted (I’d need a cloaking device installed tho… safer)
What if the Raven that the Hanson family had was not the original model but a later model refresh, and that explains the project Galaxy look and isolinier tech. Updating such a simple ship design wouldn't take much effort, unlike having to redo the Ambassador class.
The Star Trek equivalent to the malenium falcon fastest cinder block in the galaxy if fully upgraded xD can makethe delta to alpha run in thre warp jumps gurenteed
We need this in Sto…would make a good science Miracle Worker ship but limited to 3/3 and 2nd deflector…heavy on science and engineering console slots but lacking in tactical…but makes up for it with universal seating for bofs If they did it I’d buy it from C store
I wouldn't want to be stuck on a runabout for anything more than a few days, but something like this I could full on live aboard. It's anything from a cargo ship to a superyacht.
I'd want one.
Imagine having one of these and do side jobs all around the Galaxy, delivering cargo and passengers from planet to planet, recruiting crew and upgrading it until it's truly yours... That's a game I would play
elite dangerous, it's called, and it's dying...
@DominikJaniec yep thanks to the devs
@@DominikJaniecYou can't hire Orion Dancers in Elite
@@DominikJaniec Too many pirates and too many guns in elite for me, I like the idea of a Star Trek one a lot more. Ofc STO is 90% fighting, but I think it would be possible to have more diplomatic options in a game that wasn't more or less a reskinned default MMORPG
Yeah, that's Elite Dangerous, buddy. I can not recommend playing it in VR enough, it is perhaps the best VR game.
Ever since I saw it on Voyager, the Raven has been my go to answer for all those "what sci-fi ship would you pick" type questions. Definitely seems like a livable and homey ship.
Could be a "hero ship" for a smaller crew. I imagine a private contractor attached to a starship or operating out of well developed star system spending weeks and months in transit or on assignment. It is basically Star Trek YT-1300, Millennium Falcon.
Or a warp capable Firefly.
Exactly what I was thinking while watching this breakdown!
@@daveh7720I was thinking firefly too
@@jonathanperez7663 Haha add me as well!
@@daveh7720 great minds think alike...
I always enjoy it when we see some of the non-starfleet federation ships. Makes it feel a bit more lived in.
Yeah, a tv show with a ship like the Raven. One that’s had to Millennium Falcon treatment, to make a comparison across franchises. A heavily modified home base type ship
@@hamishsewell5990 I mean I don't really disagree but there are issues with a private citizen "owning" something as insanely expensive as a star ship, although from the episode I got the impression it was more on loan. You can own a star ship in Star Wars because they use credits but the federation doesn't do currency. I've always wondered how does private property like Picards vineyard work but it's a show and it's best to not ask to many questions sometimes.
@@GeorgeWashingtonLaserMusket yeah, the two systems make it difficult. Was just using the Falcon as a comparison, an independent ship. There’s also the Errant Venture from the old Expanded Universe, the only privately owned Imperial Star Destroyer
@@GeorgeWashingtonLaserMusketIt's not privately owned, it's personally owned
A Raven Type would be a perfect hero ship for a game! A game where you don't play as an official Starfleet officer or at most, a low-ish rank with high autonomy. The ship can be modified as the game progress and it is small enough for interior to be customized by you and the crew you recruit along your adventure.
Here's what I think. The Raven Class is not a military vessel. Its a likely a civillian design that was contracted by the federation to fill in some science roles.
I believe the Raven was a vessel designed for the purpose of being a multi-use transport primarily for civillian and private use. It can be constructed for use in civillian roles such as transportation, luxury yacht, Star Tours vessel, Private Vessel, and a variety of roles for private defense forces, police, or military, and science roles.
It looks like a massive shuttle and not having a saucer like traditional Federation vessels gives more reason to believe it is likely not really Fed Military build and likely is ship company that occasionally picks up contracts and likely specializes in shuttles and light transport ships, both which are likely to be popular to civilians and or private military, with the feds, and research companies occasionally contracting some.
I believe that Ravens science varients were limited production variants to give the federation something to give to science teams as they phased out the horrible Orberth line and entered the new Nova class. These vessels being phased out once the Nova turned up in numbers and either left to be scrap or a couple fed officers managed to reconvert them into private ships or they got thrown to science institutes which could use them without the feds wondering where a ship went.
Perhaps the company that built the Raven is even the one that later is contracted to build the Dunabe as it shares similar design traits possibly being a smaller stubby raven class designed specifically for the federation military as a heavy shuttle. Showing the Raven Design is quite decent.
This also strengthen my belief that the Oberth was a civillian vessel as well. The Oberth being essentially a large yacht design to be similar to a federation starship, It was made during the TOS movie era so the idea of civilians wanting a vessel that looked similar to your military isn't to far fetched, The feds however saw it and liked it enough likely picked up the design and took the licence to build their own vessels and turned it into a science vessel but its flimsy design and fittings made it ill suited for anything but pure science and or extremely light patrol duties similar to coast guard.
The thing is if this is true then its very possible that well the Oberth is dead as a starship for the federation, there could be a bunch of privately owned oberths flying around.
Awesomely written. It certainly seems the Danube class was Starfleet calling the civilian shipwrights that build the Raven/Aerie class and saying "hey... do that again, but smaller."
Fascinating, as I was never under the impression that The Raven was in any way a Starfleet vessel, it always struck me as an extremely civilian ship.
I can't recall off the top of my head right now, but I do recall Starfleet ships being "sold" for civilian Federation use and/or for aligned/allied none federation planets. The ships would just have the classified/newest tech removed. So if they had version 3.5 you could buy version 2.8 type thing. Even with the Romulans those Romulan looking people had a bird of prey in A Final Unity (game).
I've always liked the idea of a vessel that could double up pretty much as a home, kind of like the Millennium Falcon from Star wars. I actually could see a Han Solo type character operating one of these.
If I lived in the Star Trek universe This is the ship I would want, It would make a great cargo Ship. Start Fleet always used to upgrade there ships all the time.
Well, I'd honestly rather have a Kaplan, but these are OK. :)
Same, I am a sucker for small vessels like the Nova or Saber, and now I have a new favorite
I would want a ds9 "runabout"
Looks comfortable. Like the SUV of shuttles, and has a bedroom area
where?
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In the back. It had small sleeping quarters instead of the conference room
I like to think modularity is just a feature Starfleet likes to run with for as many ship types as possible. My headcanon is that all Starfleet ships are built to have a lot of easily replaceable "plug-and-play" components, which allows Starfleet to easily upgrade vessels to keep them state-of-the-art as quickly as possible. Which, combined with the fact Starfleet ships are so rugged that anything less than absolute destruction still lets you recover and repair the frame to space-worthiness, is why you see so many old ships lasting for so long; Until a ship is made utterly obsolete, it's still worth maintaining and upgrading.
The Oberth Class science vessels had that special modular exploding attachment
The Oberth I'm pretty sure was a civillian design that was never meant to see any type of combat other than maybe defending itself from local idiots. At most it likely was a yacht, or police or planetary version of a coast guard vessel.
Starfleet picking it up for science duties and patrols was likely them just finding something cheap to fill in roles that were needed but didn't have the money or resources and time to invest in a actual good design like the NOVA that would come around later.
The Raven however gives the impression of a ship that was designed both as a civilian model and one for direct military and science applications and more importantly from a company that seems to know what its doing considering that the Dunabe Shuttles in DS9 look like stubby Ravens and were tough and extremely useful. Betting anything it was a shuttle company with a long history of making shuttles for civilians and contracts for the military, the Raven was likely the companies attempt of making a starship based on its shuttle designs, and the Raven design influence would go into the Dunabe which itself essentially is a little starship.
upgrade the Warp core, shield generators and Hull and make it specifically to be a photon or quantum torpedoes ship and you have the 23rd century's version of a PT boat
I like the Raven-Type, the Sydney Class and the Erewon-class ships in star trek exept there isn't much into on the Erewon-class however it would be cool to see a video on it.
I've never liked the Hansons. All that effort yet the data was lost and their daughter was turned into a barfly for hire. Great job Magnus.
I had the same thought about this and the La Sirena types we saw in Picard, they are just the right size for a, "Home" type ship. Not so big as to make you feel lonely wandering its corridors and rooms if you're travelling alone or with just a handful of you, but big enough so that you can stretch your legs while on trips between the stars.
The only times we saw this class of Federation Starship in Star Trek Voyager:
'The Raven'
'Dark Frontier part 1'
'Dark Frontier part 2'
I love niche ships, its good world building for Star Trek. Not everyone in the UFP would be a starfleet officer, other organisations would have to exist and have their own ships.
The design is nothing mind blowing but it’s always sparked my interest because I picture myself hopping round the galaxy in one
I wouldn't mind seeing these in game as maybe frigate type hangar pets with an array of more advanced science capabilities than normal and maybe the armaments upgraded to be a pair of omnis and perhaps some unique kinda launcher to complement it's science abilities like maybe a tachyon infused photon torp for enhanced shield cracking.
Personally if I were to somehow obtain a Star Trek license and Paramount gave permission to tell a story outside of Starfleet, an a few million to make a game. This or possibly a updated design for the ship.
@@DavidKnowles0 It's really a very good looking vessel with decent systems and a lot of potential I think.
i liked this ship. a small ship for a small crew , who could research something tiny, small or not needed that much people. instead of sending a ship with 100's or 1000 of people for a simple survey mission.
The Raven looks much like the long-range transport in the TNG episode "Relics" Scotty was aboard, the USS Jenolan. but yeah, still just another Red-Shirt ship in battle.
The Hansen's pursuit of and assimilation by the Borg happened 15 years before the Enterprise-D made first contact with the Borg in 2365 in system J-25. Captain Picard, one of the most experienced and senior captains in Starfleet had never come across nor heard about anything like the Borg during that fateful encounter.
Sounds like a Section 31 job.
Likely wouldn't have been reported at least to your regular officers. Section 31 likely was aware. At most the feds could have made the case that Hansen was stupid and when he disappeared they simply lost contact with him following a alien ship.
@@Quetzalcoatl_Feathered_Serpent My point was, how did the Hansens know of the Borg but Starfleet didn't? It's not like they accidentally stumbled across a Borg ship, the deliberately set out to find them. They knew what they were looking for.
@@asvarien As explained by this video (and also the VOY episode featuring them) they weren't initially looking for the Borg specifically, they were examining some anomalous readings out on the fringes of Federation space. By the time they discovered the source of the readings (which is what they were deliberately trying to find, they did not know it was a Borg ship, or even what a Borg was) they had crossed the Neutral Zone and gone through Romulan space to end up in unclaimed deep space.
Knowing they'd be arrested for illegally crossing the Neutral zone and entering Romulan territory (twice) if they went back to the Federation and they didn't have anything to show for it except some long distance readings on an unknown ship is what led them to investigate further, develop a way to get close to a Cube undetected (or, rather, thinking they were undetected when actually they were very much detected, but not considered worthy of notice by the Borg yet) and eventually follow it to the Delta quadrant.
By the time the Hansens knew enough about the Borg that it would've allowed Picard to recognise the Borg when the Enterprise-D encountered them, they were already in the Delta Quadrant with no way to actually communicate what they'd found back to the Federation.
An upgrade of this ship would be a grate option for a "Prime Team" if they had to go further than shuttle or runabout range but Star Fleet didn't want to divert a whole Starship for the job or they needed to go Covert.
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I really do like this ship as it's a very appropriate 'step up' ship from a 'starter ship' you could imagine yourself operating, especially in an MMO RPG setting with a focus on you as an individual character
I wonder if Sonny Clemonds used one of these as his bus for his "Surprise! I'm not dead anymore!" comeback tour. It would be perfect for the job.
Though it was bigger than the Runabouts we're used to seeing (though I could be wrong about this), I imagine that Raven-type ships may have actually been an early, less advanced type of Runabout variant. Basically, where the DS9 (era) Runabouts more or less directly evolved from, if that makes any sense...?
It's far bigger than the runabout, but smaller than the defiant.
I thought the same thing. A Runabout could easily be based on the same hull configuration and mission profile, but scaled down to a size where it could easily fit the large shuttlebays found on starbases and some starship classes: (Galaxy, Nebula, Sovereign, et all)
Maybe the difference in civilian and military models?
The Raven would make an excellent privateering and blockade runner vessel.
It is inconspicuous, easy to upgrade and you can probably fit in all sorts of aftermarket "improvements" in it.
Would love to see it in a series or game set in the Star Trek universe, but not with main cast of Starfleet officers.
Always reminded me of a bigger runabout
I'd have one, maybe 50% wider on the main fuselage though, allowing more cargo space, or room for a slightly bigger warp core, to bump the speed up a notch or two.
The speed would be easy enough to upgrade without any real changes to the frame, just pull out the obsolete ones and replace with "modern" equivalents. A full refit would do well there in making it something up to standard. Upgrade the armor to standard and similar.
compare/contrasting the Raven/Danube styles i have decided that: a solid land-vehicle comparison is; the Runabout is a sprinter-style delivery van (that can also low-gear tug so more akin to a cargo crossover with a low profile .. ) and the Raven is … an RV full of hippie scientists, and so favored by the Hansens XD i'm only @ 6:19/9:34 .. lesse if i hit anything on The Dartboard :3 love yr vids Ric, have for years with no sign of stopping 🖖✨
The fact that the ship was towed small and extremely lightly armed makes you really question The Hansens decision to bring their six-year-old daughter with them on what was clearly a mission that could be extremely dangerous
In "Dark Frontier," it's pretty obvious that the Hansens' Federation optimism gave way to naivety when they act like first contact with the Borg could turn out to be a friendly one.
It also shows where Seven gets that rash impulsive streak from.
There are a lot of complicated considerations to tell the truth. Is it safer to leave her at home on a colony? What if the colony is raided by the Gorn or a Doomsday Machine cruises by? What if they had left her at Tarod Colony? Tarod is the colony that the Borg scooped up in TNG: "The Neutral Zone". The Star Trek universe isn't really safe anywhere. V'Ger, The Whale Probe, and the Borg twice attacked Earth itself in one century. Add five years and you can count The Breen attack too. With that kind of consideration it may be more meaningful and rational to simply take your family with you. And the Hansen's didn't die because of the ship. They died because their tech that they designed failed for a brief moment. Honestly considering how the Borg operate they could've had any ship of that time and the result would've been the same.
@3rayfire, Seven’s repressed anger at her parents for getting her assimilated seems justified though.
@@keithtorgersen9664 Quite certainly. I didn't say it was a good decision on their part, but I can understand it. They were very successful for a long time.
Curious enough if they had left her behind then disappeared, I can see her also resenting them for abandoning her for their work.
Just like real life, if you want to be safe, comfortable, and stable in Trek, you have to be boring.
That's why so many kids think their parents are dull -- the kids with exciting parents are orphans.
I'm sure Starfleet shipyards are capable of making prototypes or one-off ships. It probably uses off the shelf parts to keep it simplified.
i love this ship. its the main "hero ship" in a fan fic story of mine
The shape and Silhouette of it reminds me more of a first strike craft. a military Ship rather than Science Vessel. It has a perfect sight and any weapons on top and bottom of the ship have a free 160° firing arc. Add some torpedos to the bow and stern of the vessel and it can quickly and effectively deal with smaller vessels.
Once upon a midnight dreary, while we pondered, weak and weary,
Over many a quaint and curious volume of forgotten lore-
While I nodded, nearly napping, suddenly there came a tapping,
As of some one gently rapping, rapping at our airlock door.
“’Tis some visitor,” we muttered, “tapping at our airlock door-
Only the Borg and nothing more.”
~ Seven Parents 😏
Culture! 😁
Ship good for starbase, like runaboauts. And very nice hero ship like Star Trek version of Serenity (Firefly class transport).
I wonder if anyone bought one and converted it to be a flying space yacht? You wouldn't use it to go anywhere near the borders of the Federation or any contested area, but using to travel to other Federation worlds to do business, sort of like a fancy Lear Jet, or going on a pleasure cruise or honeymoon cruise, would be nice.
One question - how did the Hanson's keep up with a Borg Cube? I doubt the scouting Cube was puttering around at warp 5 when it visited the Romulan/Federation border area. Or that, once in Borg Space, that the Cube would travel so slowly.
Maybe the Borg knew about that "high warp damages space" thing. It's not like they have any reason to be in a hurry.
@@stevenscott2136 could have found a way to coast with the Borg Vessel like how dolphins use the bow wave of a ship to go faster.
A "home ship". That's a great moniker I hadn't heard of or though about before. Are there any other homeships in Star Trek? La Sirenna didn't get drawn out much into a character on Picard like other series starships do.
I always headcanon there are countless raven class ships out there that Starfleet decommissioned and were bought by private owners and became merchant ships. They kinda are the perfect merchant traveling ship. Then add the halobar and you have the perfect Ferengi home ship.
strange that maquis never adopted this class for their own activities(combat), I mean with few modification this ship could be turn into light battle frigate, more resilient version of the raider perhaps ?
I would LIKE this as a ship in STO! A scout science survey ship!
I like the Raven type as well. Could do well for a story setting, small crew of traders always getting in over their heads and ferrying goods and people around the galaxy. Would work better if there was an actual economy in Star Trek like there was in Star Wars, but I guess you could always say there's credits to be made they just don't mean much on paper and don't translate well outside of the Federation. Would also help if there was an actual set canon deck plan for the ship as well as the number of decks, but I guess that's asking too much of Star Trek.
Just have them do business with non-Fed customers. The Ferengi prove there's an economy, just not in the shiny parts of Fed space.
I love the Raven type ship. I think it would make a great Corvette/ gunship for Star Fleet. Or an extra large Runabout.
I think class name in apocrypha is typo, cuz it should be Eyrie instead of Aerie (someone wrote name like it spoken with american accent). So by that all ships of that class would be named by birds like for example: Raven, Swallow, Seagull, Eagle etc.
You missed one feature. It being a colony ship it was made to be disassembled and made into housing.
Any chance of getting a video on Baran's mercenary ship front TNG, Seven of Nine's Fenris ranger ship or on the Sh'vhal type cruiser from Lower Decks?
This is one of the best multipurpose Scout Vessels.
I was wondering why that ship in that episode of Lower Decks looked familiar!
I'm sure it would change the game to have mini-quantum torpedo launcher and phaser cannons like the defiant.
I would absolutely LOVE to see a crew of 12 on one of these. Maybe the first Star Trek show to focus on a crew that's not star fleet? It would be fun to see an old washed-up engineer get his hands on a ship and set out hunting for lost tech
It occurred to me whilst watching that considering the house design language in both raven type and runabout that the Valkyrie class carrier could conceivably be from the same shipyard.
I can see it as being sent out on loads of survey missions. Like to specifically check out locations on a planet for a future outpost or colony.
If you had one of these Raven class vessels what changes would you make to it
Better shields, and a blue paint job.
adding holograpic emitters so I can have a backup crew, upgrading the old tech to new standards like the warpcore, phasers, torpedo launchers.
change the interior cabins from drab federation standard to something more personal. Also change the hull colour to something different than mat grey.
Much more powerful and advanced nacelles and engine core, and improved impulse engines for increased maneuverability. Not to mention much stronger shields/more powerful weapons systems. Oh, and I'd have her painted red, white, and black on the dorsal, amidships, and ventral sections respectively.
It's a great YT-1300 style Stock Light Freighter - had those ever existed in Trek, which they don't.
I think it would make a great hero ship for a Star Trek Universe TV show that didn't center around Star Fleet but a group of independents looking to nake money in different ways while modifying the ship accordingly but with creative limitations.
It would be nice to see this ship being remade as a mark 2 variant so to speak. This time with a far better warpcore and perhaps some more options. It would make a excellent ship for STO as welll as small ship aka shuttle size.
I do hope we get it in star trek online as an event ship or zen ship, it can work in sto
It's the recreational vehicle/houseboat of Federation ships.
It always narked me about how irresponsible it was of the Hansens to take their kid on a mission to study the Borg.
But then again, the Enterprise-D was chock full of kids and it was in battles virtually every week...
Also, whilst I realise the Raven might be designed with reliability over performance in mind, how can 2 people run a starship for months whilst Starfleet vessels apparently need dozens of engineering staff?
Is Starfleet overstaffed...? 😂
Real-world Navy vessels have more crew than private or commercial vessels of similar size. They have to plan around the need to repair battle damage and continue the mission after half the crew has been killed.
I always thought this class would be a better Testbed ship then an Oberth (like the Pegasus) for experimental propulsion, shielding or warp cores, being the perfect size between a shuttle, and a more dedicated Starship.
I also think Starfleet might of missed a trick during the Dominion War with Raven-types. An Upgunned and Uparmoured Raven-class (Aerie?) would have been able to operate in the role of a small attack craft, much like the Federation Attack Fighter, whilst having a much reduced crew requirement then a full sized Starship, with greater survivability than a Fighter.
I wonder whe starfleet did not uild the raven type mininshis that could of bridge the gap betwwem shuttle amd defiant class with upgtade defianf class tech
You might think that the Raven type is kind of small to be classified as a Starship but, runabouts are also Starships. I'm pretty sure I learned that on this channel😂
One could argue a Runabout is an "Auxiliary Craft" in some sense as they can fit in many larger ship's shuttle bays. As well as being a self-contained vessel in it's own right.
It was practically establish from the intro of the Runabout that they were Starships because they have a USS registry
It could be more of a civilian ship rather than a federation vessel. Similar to today, you can buy your own water craft of varying size, and engine type. And this is something not well reflected in star trek. Citizens may want their own ships to travel and do their own things
this raven type aerie class ship is bacly a much more massive larger brother of the runnabout shuttle on seriolds that been bascly masvly scaled up bascly. it also can be used as a deep stike and recon craft if fited with tactal combat modules as well if starfleet made any that is.
See, the problem is, you discover that they say it can accelerate to 0.9C just with the impulse engines, but that would imply relativistic effects that Star Trek has not tackled
You know the Heisenberg Compensator in the transporter? When you reverse the polarity on that, it functions as an Einstein Compensator for your impulse drive.
Really? I've always thought time dilation effects at high relativistic speeds were negated by Subspace Field Regulators. 🤓
It strikes me as being a civilian vessel and probably just looks like a Star Fleet vessel because the technology just works and is freely available. Probably needed to be registered and checked by officials - but once done is mostly free to go anywhere in Federation space and beyond (with flight plans and permission).
Though it may have originally been Star Fleet, I suppose. Just phased out of active service and given to civilian organisations to continue being useful.
It would be the equivelent of large civilian planes running around that did light transport and or cargo duties, and like private yachts.
@@andromidius Design doesn't match traditional fed designs. Seems more like a contracted design outside your typical federation ship builder. Also I don't think the federation would be willing to hand out old federation designs to civilian organizations. They do seem to mothball then either scrap the design and or throw them against something 40 to 50 years more advanced.
Maybe a few got into civilian hands destroyed or ruined, salvaged and restored and put into use as single ship museum perhaps. I imagine there might be a couple tos designs running around as small ship museums.
I was wondering if it found use in the private sector as a personal transport for families or private explorers with some modifications for modern tech after it started being phased out. I could see it being useful, with some modifications, as a colony’s planetary defense ship or transport for supplies. Fun thoughts.
this definitely seems like a ship that would, perhaps with some pieces removed, see a lot of use in the civilian/private ownership sector
This design would have made much more sense if the bridge looked more like a shuttle of the time. As it stands, it wasn't until much later when the ugly Runabouts, came out that it any tie to Federation design.
I love at there was a small Federation ship that could be operated by only a few people. I find the designation as a colony ship ludicrous as if they were calling a Ford Expedition SUV a suitable transport to start a new town, and expecting it to succeed. But then, a few TNG episodes visit failing colony worlds that look poorly planned.
I feel like it's a 'colony ship' in the sense of being a good ship to be operated by a newly started colony for general purpose use.
It wouldn't be suited to hold the bulk of the actual colonists, but it would certainly be serviceable as a ship to transport the initial team (and their materials) going in first to built some preliminary facilities so that the colonists have somewhere to live and organise when they first arrive. And cheap enough to remain in-system for use by the colony, while the big colony ships that transport the bulk of the colonists move on to transport colonists and materials to another colony (or more colonists and materials for the current one).
@@RvEijndhoven AHhhhh I see what you mean. Something that would stick around as a support ship for a fledgling world, not a passenger/cargo bulk hauler.
I enjoy it. Reminds me of a civilian-focused RV of sorts.
This is the kind of ship Han Solo would fly if he found his self in Federation space. Though by the time he was done with it, it would be quite a bit faster and more well armed.
And likely needing a smack once in a while cause said upgrades would make the ship extremely temperamental.
Damn watching this video makes me want an STL of the Raven.
I would enjoy having a RAVEN-type class ship for personal use.
Would love to have one and fly travel to all the planets in the federation. Using the holodeck during transit times.
This science vessel has a reputation of being in the danger zone despite not being built for it
Science ain't safe! 😉
Dear Certifiably ingame, do you plan to do some coverage of the new Star Trek Infinite coming on this Thursday (October 12)?
This type of ship would be perfect for an small spin off show
I like the idea that Newport News still exists by the 24th century and is still producing ships.
I’d like a raven type ship as my home with engines! I could fly about the galaxy doing whatever I wanted (I’d need a cloaking device installed tho… safer)
Now I want to build one in Starfield.
How about a video on the Avenger-class from Star Trek Online? 🙂
I like knowing that Newport News Shipyard (I live 45 minutes away from it) is alive and well in the future.
I was wondering- where do the fighter ships come from, that the Maquis often used?
I feel like it looks a lot like the captains yaght from voyager
The YT-1300 of the federationen perhaps??
Since it can be owned then it can be upgraded. A real hot rod.
C.S.S Raven
(Civilian Space Service)
Privately owned craft could have this designation as well as CSV - 12345 (Civilian Space Vessel).
Looks like a swipe from Battlestar Galactica
4:53 at least they had advanced LCARS graphics as they are already colorful, despite the Stargazer's green color scheme and the D's pale one.
@4:12 Newport News Shipping or should it be Shipbuilding like the IRL company?
If you think about it, this is the intermediate class between Sydney and Danube classes
1 type 2 phaser is like have a phaser rifle as a main gun on a ship lol
Perfect for tabletop gaming group ala D&D style, IMO.
What if the Raven that the Hanson family had was not the original model but a later model refresh, and that explains the project Galaxy look and isolinier tech.
Updating such a simple ship design wouldn't take much effort, unlike having to redo the Ambassador class.
I thought it was the Hansen ship when I saw it on LD. I wish I could remember other things this well.
I’m thinking it’s a bit like a C-130 for the Federation with the additional mission requirement of small scale exploration or field research.
The Star Trek equivalent to the malenium falcon fastest cinder block in the galaxy if fully upgraded xD can makethe delta to alpha run in thre warp jumps gurenteed
It might have even been a test bed for tech that went on to be in Runabouts, etc etc.
We need this in Sto…would make a good science Miracle Worker ship but limited to 3/3 and 2nd deflector…heavy on science and engineering console slots but lacking in tactical…but makes up for it with universal seating for bofs
If they did it I’d buy it from C store
Very interesting Star Trek video 👍👍