It's obvious what the Hawks are trying to do, gather trade chips and put defense around Ice Trae. Basically every year since they drafted Trae Young, the Hawks have been a top 10 NBA offense, but also one of the worst defenses in the league. Trae is terrible on defense, but good enough to deadlift an offense on his own like he did during that ECF run. Put a defense around Trae and go from there.
@@Kcazbarach the east was not trash. Knicks, Sixers, Bucks, and Nets had KD, kyrie, and Harden. Hawks good and Trae had some good defenders at the time. Trae probably would've got a ring. Clearly was better than the Bucks and the Suns always had a problem with the Hawks
@@xxfratosxx8257 knicks that year were for sure trash. Philly i felt with Ben simmons was always overrated. but yea I give the hawks credit for that victory. I just don't think that was something to build off of, and they made so many deals since, i think their management agreed they needed to update their roster. (Alot of changes since that ECF)
Trae really isn't that bad on defense. It really gets overblown. You may be able to shoot over him easily but he doesn't let guys just blow by him like Kyrie and even Luka at times. There were a couple games this past season where Trae's defense won the game.
I’ve gotten so annoyed with the Trae Young talk lately. People really act like he’s the worst player in the league and all they say is “he’s a bad defender, he’s inefficient” bruh what star level point guard is a great defender??? When did defense of a point guard be so heavily discussed like this??? And I don’t want to hear the talk about how he’s inefficient because an all time great named Allen iverson gets nothing but love from fans and the media and he was an extremely inefficient player! Trae has become severely underrated, put him in a better situation with a better run organization and everyone will see that. Sick and tired of people acting like he’s not one of the best point guards in the league and moving the goalpost when it comes to him
@@princelee1209 I guess you didn’t read my comment. I said STAR point guards! I never said role players, Lonzo ball is not a star at all( not even close), holiday isn’t a star and SGA is not a great defender (really dude, stop!) and rajon rondo is OUT of the league and even if he was still in the league, he would still be a ROLE player! Read the comment next time
I don't know. They sent out Murray and got back a bench player, a young player, and 2 draft picks. That's a rebuilding move. If they moved Murray for Ingram, that would be a different story. Clearly, the Pelicans are trying to move Ingram, so if Atlanta was trying to get better, they would've tried for Ingram...
I dont know if the Spurs can trade that Hawks pick but if they can it makes perfect sense for the Hawks to trade Trae to the Spurs to get that pick back and start their rebuild with the race to the bottom for Cooper Flag
that might be the worst take of all time. why would the pelicans start 5 good offensive, poor defensive players. especially when val clogs the paint for zion
The chemistry between him Trae and Kev was elite took us to a ECF in their early 20s then they blow it up for this?! I wonder what would have happened if we kept jc Kev and cam instead of Hunter capela and trading for Dj
@@Thrashippie right before when the chemistry was in the toilet and they clearly didn't know how to use him anymore. Acting like he was bad the whole time smh
Ok so Warriors have a $30 mill player coming off the bench in CP3 CJ could deff come off the bench I don’t think there’s a world where having “too much talent” is a problem but then again Pels haven’t gotten into the 2nd round in the Zion era I do think a starting 5 of CJ (maybe playing 15-20 mins a game) Zion BI DM And someone like a Ayton at center would be lethal. Herb is the first guy off the bench and you still have TM3, Josè and Hawk who is deserving of more minutes after the Dyson trade The team could be very very special
Ima look at this from the pelicans side. I like getting murray now do not keep cj. Flip him Murphy and herb Jones need to be starting. Murray Murphy herb is a very solid 123 and cheap tbh. Flip cj and clip Ingram play zion at the 4 and see if you can get a legit floorspacing rim protector at 5. Jarret Allen from the cavs clearly is not a floor spacer but Ingram for Allen move Mobley to the 5 and play Ingram at 4 om the cavs may be nice and Allen for the pelicans would be solid too. I'd actually love that murray Murphy herb zion Allen. I love that starting 5 and you get what u can get pick wise or depth wise for cj.
@@dubbrown5594I was seeing stuff about that idea as well. Cavs needs size at the forward position but can’t grow with both Mobley and Allen in the front court. Pels need a center, but need to create more minutes for Trey Murphy and Herb Jones. The idea makes a ton of sense for both parties
@qmac6494 Until he reupped with the Nets I was thinking B.I. for Claxton in a sign and trade to replace Bridges while the Pels get a young center who fits Zion and Herb's timeline.
@@Bills2goodHe asked who tf they are and you couldn’t even say a single name. I been watching nba basketball for years and I don’t know who tf these dudes are
How these guys are allowed to talk basketball i will not understand. You mean to tell me that the Hawks didn’t get fleeced? They got Dyson Daniel’s who is a career 5 ppg scorer and Larry nance who is the definition of the 8th guy on the bench. Plus the picks that they got are the Lakers 2025 which will not be top 10 and a LEAST favorable pick in 2027. Trae literally can’t say he wants out because if they don’t trade the Spurs for their 2025 FRP at least then it literally doesn’t make sense to trade him. These guys don’t seem to understand the plot
DD is a 2 year player who is one if the best defenders in the league, plus DJ had to get traded anyway. It's what they call a retool... these guys get paid to talk ball, you do not... mirror meet face, not that guy.
Hahah that guy wants to keep Trae and see.... see what 😂 both him amd dejonte are over rated af they could barely make the play in in the leastern conference. Trade Trae for whoever is silly enough to give picks for him and regroup they aren't competing against anyone in the east for at least 5 years be realistic
@atlbirdfan6959 if i was an atlanta fan like the atlbirdfan makes me think you are I'd be mad too. lol the organization has had opportunity after opportunity to give you guys stars and falls flat. Luka is a prime example. "You don't know ball" then is a fan of the hawks is just hilarious
@@jimmyjohns7866 I’m not arguing that the ones in charge of the organization are usually without direction . The Luka debacle and Dejounte trade from the Spurs are embarrassing. However telling us we need to trade Trae when we have no control over our draft picks the next 3 years is irresponsible. The roster as is cannot compete for a championship but can definitely make the playoffs in a weaker eastern conference.
Hawks got 1 foot in on competing and 1 foot in on rebuilding. Been in this same situation since we had Dwight Howard. Terrible leadership.
Glad someone understands this franchise real problem is management. We will never win a championship with this front office
Been that way since the hawks traded Luka away lol 😂
It's obvious what the Hawks are trying to do, gather trade chips and put defense around Ice Trae. Basically every year since they drafted Trae Young, the Hawks have been a top 10 NBA offense, but also one of the worst defenses in the league. Trae is terrible on defense, but good enough to deadlift an offense on his own like he did during that ECF run. Put a defense around Trae and go from there.
That ecf run is because the east was legitimately trash. They did good in upsetting Philly. But that was not something to build off .
@Kcazbarach they took the champs to 6 games while Trae was injured
@@Kcazbarach the east was not trash. Knicks, Sixers, Bucks, and Nets had KD, kyrie, and Harden. Hawks good and Trae had some good defenders at the time. Trae probably would've got a ring. Clearly was better than the Bucks and the Suns always had a problem with the Hawks
@@xxfratosxx8257 knicks that year were for sure trash. Philly i felt with Ben simmons was always overrated. but yea I give the hawks credit for that victory. I just don't think that was something to build off of, and they made so many deals since, i think their management agreed they needed to update their roster. (Alot of changes since that ECF)
Trae really isn't that bad on defense. It really gets overblown. You may be able to shoot over him easily but he doesn't let guys just blow by him like Kyrie and even Luka at times. There were a couple games this past season where Trae's defense won the game.
I’ve gotten so annoyed with the Trae Young talk lately. People really act like he’s the worst player in the league and all they say is “he’s a bad defender, he’s inefficient” bruh what star level point guard is a great defender??? When did defense of a point guard be so heavily discussed like this??? And I don’t want to hear the talk about how he’s inefficient because an all time great named Allen iverson gets nothing but love from fans and the media and he was an extremely inefficient player! Trae has become severely underrated, put him in a better situation with a better run organization and everyone will see that. Sick and tired of people acting like he’s not one of the best point guards in the league and moving the goalpost when it comes to him
SGA Jrue Holiday Lonzo Ball(when healthy) Rajon Rondo just to name a few.
@@princelee1209 I guess you didn’t read my comment. I said STAR point guards! I never said role players, Lonzo ball is not a star at all( not even close), holiday isn’t a star and SGA is not a great defender (really dude, stop!) and rajon rondo is OUT of the league and even if he was still in the league, he would still be a ROLE player! Read the comment next time
@@juyahmadI agree like they act as if curry dame and them actually play d
Atlanta is building around Trae since yall are confused
If that’s the case then they are doing a horrible job
@@STR1NGB34N1defense and length=horrible
I don't know. They sent out Murray and got back a bench player, a young player, and 2 draft picks. That's a rebuilding move. If they moved Murray for Ingram, that would be a different story. Clearly, the Pelicans are trying to move Ingram, so if Atlanta was trying to get better, they would've tried for Ingram...
@@adamhalaby2945bruh that hawks roster is freaking terrible! He’s not gonna have success with that roster like stop
@@brandoni241 a mid bench player and a mid young player
Bro went from a “Hawk tuah” pelican. Also went to New Orleans while dating NBA youngboy Baby mama is insane
Stop copying comments kid
Youngboy live in Utah now ma boy
The information you provided is useless
@@daelandae452hes in baton rouge rn
Don’t yb got herpes lol and ant talking to the other one ?
Nice jam sesh fellas. Im excited to see dejounte on the pels fs. Gonna be fun man.
I dont know if the Spurs can trade that Hawks pick but if they can it makes perfect sense for the Hawks to trade Trae to the Spurs to get that pick back and start their rebuild with the race to the bottom for Cooper Flag
Spurs are smart enough to wait and hope to get a top pick in next year's draft or package their lottery picks for a better piece
They give our picks and theee if there’s lol
Great content fellas 👍🏿
The Spurs two unprotected first-round picks and a pick swap from the Hawks.
If zach edey wasnt drafted by memphis clint capela wouldve been s grizzly
The Hawks are tanking without knowing, and this time the Spurs benefit
Landry Fields is the worse GM in the NBA time for Ressler to sell the hawks, Atlanta deserves better than this bush league BS
The dude with the twist talked the whole time and kept interrupting
Lakers need to go for Trae Young.
Then make a trade for a good big to be next to AD.
This is the kind of firepower you're gonna need to beat Boston.
Herb Jones starting over Ingram ??? Can we not.
Murray , CJ , Ingram , Zion, Valanciunas is a more then fine lineup
that might be the worst take of all time. why would the pelicans start 5 good offensive, poor defensive players. especially when val clogs the paint for zion
8:15 that’s the up and coming trend in the nba, just look at okc
Trae, Murray and Collin’s. I wonder how that would’ve looked.
Pat Tillman award to prince Harry ... Insane
Just start over and rebuild. Get rid of Trae
B really stupid to get rid of BI
What editing software was used to create the effects in this video?
Kelly and Gary from Toronto, pick{s} for BI
We finessed the hawks Dyson is POO CHEESE AND NANCE IS DUMPSTER JUICE
I miss John collins
And Kevin huerter
WHY? Jalen Johnson is going to be better than Collins ever will.
The chemistry between him Trae and Kev was elite took us to a ECF in their early 20s then they blow it up for this?! I wonder what would have happened if we kept jc Kev and cam instead of Hunter capela and trading for Dj
John Collins was just a lob threat and shot the lowest 3 point percentage as a starting PF before traded to the jazz please shut up
@@Thrashippie right before when the chemistry was in the toilet and they clearly didn't know how to use him anymore. Acting like he was bad the whole time smh
they never mentioned where Murray went
Pelicans
First time checking out the podcast and y'all boys know y'all shyt...
Ok so Warriors have a $30 mill player coming off the bench in CP3
CJ could deff come off the bench
I don’t think there’s a world where having “too much talent” is a problem but then again Pels haven’t gotten into the 2nd round in the Zion era
I do think a starting 5 of
CJ (maybe playing 15-20 mins a game)
Zion
BI
DM
And someone like a Ayton at center would be lethal. Herb is the first guy off the bench and you still have TM3, Josè and Hawk who is deserving of more minutes after the Dyson trade
The team could be very very special
DJ was the ultimate 2 way for the Hawks
No he wasn't
Atlanta Hawks need trade Trae Young & Clint Capela to Spurs to get their own picks from "MURRAY" trade
Ima look at this from the pelicans side. I like getting murray now do not keep cj. Flip him Murphy and herb Jones need to be starting. Murray Murphy herb is a very solid 123 and cheap tbh. Flip cj and clip Ingram play zion at the 4 and see if you can get a legit floorspacing rim protector at 5. Jarret Allen from the cavs clearly is not a floor spacer but Ingram for Allen move Mobley to the 5 and play Ingram at 4 om the cavs may be nice and Allen for the pelicans would be solid too. I'd actually love that murray Murphy herb zion Allen. I love that starting 5 and you get what u can get pick wise or depth wise for cj.
DJ played very good last year but more scouts want DJ instead of Trae
U would get more if you trade him
Hawks got fleeced
Lakers could offer wayyyyy more
This trade should be blocked for "Basketball reasons"
lol
Yb gone have them steppers waiting on him after every home game
What y'all think 🤔 about Trae Young getting traded back home to OKC,OKC has a lot of draft picks they can give to Atlanta plus players
Kenny on ESPN good for him
I think ppl forget Murray avg nearly a triple double in his 3yr
This was DUMB.🤡
As the lead guard on a team with very little around him. Highly doubt he pulls that same feat in New Orleans next to Zion, CJ, and possibly BI
@@charlesgay-ms6yt your last name dumb
And didn’t go anywhere. For anyone thinking he was better than Trae, yall smoking something.
They don't have a center on the roster....B.I. to the Cavs for Allen?
Why you say that?
@@dubbrown5594I was seeing stuff about that idea as well. Cavs needs size at the forward position but can’t grow with both Mobley and Allen in the front court. Pels need a center, but need to create more minutes for Trey Murphy and Herb Jones. The idea makes a ton of sense for both parties
@@dubbrown5594 Valanciunus is off the roster.
@qmac6494 Until he reupped with the Nets I was thinking B.I. for Claxton in a sign and trade to replace Bridges while the Pels get a young center who fits Zion and Herb's timeline.
Sigh, he's not getting traded. Guys just getting paid to spread baseless rumors.
Trae needs to be next, and this is coming from an actual Hawks fan
Why bro he the only star we have
That dont hold much weight saying that, most Hawks fans no NOTHING abt ball 😂
@@slumdogrioand his comment proves that
@@slumdogrio it holds ALL Weight 💯
@@atlbirdfan6959 oh my…. my feelings are so hurt 😢🥺 🤣🤣😆
Who got traded for who
I'd trade Trae. He's not a #1 option
Who are these people?
Trea was recently rated most overrated by the NBA. His value just isn't there.
Who cares what is peers are saying? Lmao. Question is can they hold him 💯💯
@@slumdogrio when teams don't care about team chemistry over stats you get the Suns
@@TheeRomantic I’m lost
Noone is a fan Dyson
Won't hurt my feelings... I hated that trade for Trae to begin with. He will always be a defensive liability.
So it's steph, dame, dlo etc
@@usmcmikeco0651why tf did you include dlo when he is nowhere near as good offensively
Welcome Trae Young to LA
Who tf are these guys?
you don’t know basketball
RUclipsrs. They fire.
😂😂😂
@@Bills2goodHe asked who tf they are and you couldn’t even say a single name. I been watching nba basketball for years and I don’t know who tf these dudes are
@@mvttttt bud you couldn’t even say a name and i wasn’t trying to say one 💀
You can’t win with trae young no defense at alll
It makes absolutely no sense for Trae to stay
Who are these people😂
No
They cleaning house
I don't see any numbers or a board
Trey young plays zero defense
What star level point guard is a great defender? Stop moving the dang goalpost when it comes to Trae young
How these guys are allowed to talk basketball i will not understand. You mean to tell me that the Hawks didn’t get fleeced? They got Dyson Daniel’s who is a career 5 ppg scorer and Larry nance who is the definition of the 8th guy on the bench. Plus the picks that they got are the Lakers 2025 which will not be top 10 and a LEAST favorable pick in 2027. Trae literally can’t say he wants out because if they don’t trade the Spurs for their 2025 FRP at least then it literally doesn’t make sense to trade him. These guys don’t seem to understand the plot
DD is a 2 year player who is one if the best defenders in the league, plus DJ had to get traded anyway. It's what they call a retool... these guys get paid to talk ball, you do not... mirror meet face, not that guy.
@@Shepard-D_Rose thank you for providing nothing of substance to the conversation 👍🏻
Nah
Hahah that guy wants to keep Trae and see.... see what 😂 both him amd dejonte are over rated af they could barely make the play in in the leastern conference. Trade Trae for whoever is silly enough to give picks for him and regroup they aren't competing against anyone in the east for at least 5 years be realistic
We see you don’t know ball
@atlbirdfan6959 if i was an atlanta fan like the atlbirdfan makes me think you are I'd be mad too. lol the organization has had opportunity after opportunity to give you guys stars and falls flat. Luka is a prime example. "You don't know ball" then is a fan of the hawks is just hilarious
@@jimmyjohns7866 I’m not arguing that the ones in charge of the organization are usually without direction . The Luka debacle and Dejounte trade from the Spurs are embarrassing. However telling us we need to trade Trae when we have no control over our draft picks the next 3 years is irresponsible. The roster as is cannot compete for a championship but can definitely make the playoffs in a weaker eastern conference.
Herb jones Definetly coming off the bench
Ni
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Dude middle left seem irritated every time kenny speak