The KIBBE ARCHETYPE System: For Beginners! | KIBBE BODY TYPE
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- KIBBE ARCHETYPE System, explained!
The Kibbe Archetype System, commonly known as the ‘Kibbe Body Type System’ (but that’s the wrong name) is an image system designed to create harmony with the natural characteristics of a woman’s body. If you’ve ever heard someone say: “I’m a flamboyant gamine” or a “Theatrical Romantic” or a “Flamboyant Natural”... they are talking about their Kibbe Image ID!
If you’re looking to learn how to dress for your body type, learning about the Archetypes that David Kibbe identified can be a super useful tool - but there’s a catch! Arriving at your correct archetype can be incredibly challenging, and even though there was a Kibbe Body Type Quiz that circulated a few years ago, the quiz has been disproved by Kibbe himself. As far as I know, the Kibbe Verified Celebrities are the only people confirmed to be the correct archetypes… and it’s not a very size inclusive list.
I tried to put together for you the most basic of the Kibbe concepts (ying and yang, the style families, etc), so that you can get an idea of how the system works. Think of this as a “Intro to Kibbe”, “Kibbe 101” video, or perhaps a “Kibbe for beginners” video. But please keep in mind, this is a VERY nuanced system, and I am only touching on the very very basics! To learn more, I highly recommend you check out the ‘Strictly Kibbe’ Facebook Group and learn from David Kibbe himself.
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Contents of this video:
0:00 - The Kibbe Archetype System, Explained!
0:10 - What is the Kibbe Body Type System?
1:17 - How does the Kibbe, Ying and Yang System work?
2:11 - Where does the ying and yang concept come from in terms of styling
4:07 - The Kibbe Style Families
4:19 - The Kibbe Image ID Archetypes, explained
5:04 - The Kibbe Verified Celebrities
5:52 - Pros and Cons of the Kibbe Image ID System
7:03 - How to identify your own Kibbe Image ID
8:20 - Kibbe Body Type Quiz - a big no no!
8:53 - The ying & yang system in image consulting
9:39 - The best system for dressing your own body
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This is one of the best Kibbe explanations I’ve seen on RUclips. I appreciate that you didn’t just point people to the very outdated test! I’ve been trying to work out my ID for quite some time, and I’m still not 100% certain! I started out with the test (oops), which gave me Soft Classic, but now I think I’m definitely either Soft Natural or Soft Dramatic (I’m leaning to Soft Dramatic). I figure that knowing I have yang bones and yin flesh is enough, so I’m not hung up on the specific type.
What resources are you using to arrive at your ID? Are you part of the Facebook group?
Something I find interesting is what you say - that you can have Yin flesh and Yang bones. That is something that I find tricky with Kibbe, because how do you differentiate Yin flesh from a little bit of extra weight, or yang from someone who is underweight for example?
I initially started with RUclipsrs, and then realised that there is a lot of misinformation out there, so I joined the FB group. I’m lucky in that I’ve been a lot of different weights, so I know that I still have soft flesh and curve at a low weight. I have long bones in my arms, legs, fingers, and neck, relative to my height, so I see the yang there. I do think Kibbe is far too complicated, and I probably should never have looked into it 😂
Interesting!! Who was it that said that simplicity is the ultimate form of sophistication? I agree with you that it's too complicated, and it really makes me wonder why no one was trained in his system. I wonder if it is because if IS too complicated sometimes.
For me, I went the approximate route. I'm 5ft.2in, don't look tall, and I have a lot of rounded shapes, so my options were either Romantic, Theatrical Romantic or Soft Gamine. In fact, the suggestions for the three are very similar, so I did a Venn diagram and prioritize wearing the common points. I suggest you also Venn the Soft Natural and Soft Dramatic, and take it from there.
@@carmelasantana3091 I think that’s the best approach. You get useful insight, without all the complication.
Actually I explored this system about a year ago. I was typed as a SN and that’s probably right. But actually applying the suggestions for my wardrobe led to me over analyzing things and took the joy out of dressing myself. So I decided that I would dress in clothes that I love and think look good on my body and stop trying to over think it.
Wow that's fascinating! It seems like it had the opposite of the intended effect. How did you arrive at SN?
That's a really helpful comment. Thank you.
Excellent explanation!! I have studied the Kibbe system and was a member of the Strictly Kibbe facebook group. I also found his book in a thrift store for $1.50! His flowery words did nothing for my analytical mind. What really helped me narrow down my archetype was Aly Art's videos on RUclips which have so many wonderful examples of the different ID's standing next to each other. That's when I could clearly see that I am a Soft Gamine.
Definitely a much clearer explanation than other RUclipsrs! I have some trouble with the system. Skeletally I’m clearly an al”A” shape with narrow shoulders and wider hips. But flesh changes everything. I have a larger chest and that pretty much tosses the skeletal description out the window. I think looking at clothing that looks good on me might be the best way for me to tell. Kibbe’s Facebook group is hard to get in to.
I LOVE how you explained channel name at the end! So grateful to have subscribed!
This was extremely helpful, thank you so much! Glad they’ve narrowed it down from 13 to 10 types - I’ve done the quiz many times and I scored pretty evenly between soft classic, theatrical romantic and romantic so I never really felt like I identified 100% with any of those three. Time to explore Soft Gamine!
Kibbe types can be such a rabbit hole! I thought it was ridiculous at first (mostly because of the type names, and the idea that personality is linked to body shape), but the more I learned about what the names stood for, the more it's helped me understand the differences in people's appearances, and why certain outfits look harmonious on certain bodies. I wasn't sure about my type for a long time, but now I'm confident that it's Soft Gamine. Quizzes were confusing, I ended up typing myself backwards by knowing certain things that look good on me, and recognizing them in the SG recommendations. High necklines, crisp borders, a broken silhouette, waist emphasis, and a well-defined shoulder just suit me better than the alternatives.
I still find body archetypes really interesting, but I think the Kibbe system has certain limitations. For one, it seems unnecessary to combine verticality, width, and angularity into "yang" because there are different recommendations specific to each, not just general advice for all yang types. Also, the types don't account for much diversity at the tall end of the spectrum.
I appreciate your nuanced take, especially that Kibbe doesn't own body analysis-these ideas can be developed between all of us!
I’ve been interested in this for a few months now and your explanation is very good! Possibly the best I’ve come across. As like you say it’s difficult/expensive to get the book, I really appreciate you for doing this 🙌🏼
Brilliant explanations! I have never done the test, but have seen other RUclipsrs try to explain, and from what I have learned, I think I am a soft gamine. But, I think I already knew that!
I so hope you will continue this subject a little deeper, okay a lot deeper since you’re the best explanation of this system I’ve ever heard of. Thank you much for this!
I'll read more about it and see if I can get a better command on the subject. I hesitate to speak more in-depth about things that I can't learn from a formal source, but I do want to understand it better!
Great video Fernanda. I have seen so much information on the subject and I think that the conclusions are quiet subjective. At the end of the day, the best way to learn is to try things and then see what works. In my experience, many people are a combination not clearly one archetype or another (which is true in real life too), but I get using the method to see where we're leaning. Glad I found your channel xo
Can you do an explanation of the “dress your truth” system too please?
I'll look into it!
I am a petite hourglass and according to my understanding and a very general analysis of Kibbe, a Romantic or possibly a Theatrical Romantic. I totally agree with you Fernanda, for me, getting my specific colour palette right is way more important. Thank you, great video 😊
Another great video! Thank you. And thank you for explaining “Approximately Right.” Wonderful approach (although your advice and insights always seem spot on). I’ve settled on dramatic classic along with med-deep warm/bright coloring plus high contrast or a bit of sparkle. Challenging, but my happy spot.
That's pretty good though! I feel like with guidelines like those it becomes much easier to put together an outfit and identify WHY it's not working. In my mind that's the whole point of learning more!
Fernanda, I would like to take the time to say that this was an excellent assessment of the system. The fact that you referred to the classifications properly as ‘Image IDs’ or ‘Archetypes’ shows that you really understand the intention of the system. The Image IDs are broad concepts that one can embody by honoring the natural lines in their body and their own personal essence. I’ve been following the system for 2 years and have settled on Dramatic. It’s been absolutely perfect in helping me to identify why relaxed clothing or harsh color blocking looks quite separated from me.
I need sleek and crisp pieces to absolutely look my best.
Thank you! I’m so glad you discovered your best style through the system- and I love that you say it has been a 2+ year exploration. I think that style is a journey, one that is better understood over time. In that sense I agree with the system, though I do think it is helpful when someone can look at your body and show you how to identify ‘vertical line’, ‘double curve’ etc
Thanks Fernanda!
I find kibbe interesting, and more enlightening (for me) than the fruits. I've realised that I'm somewhere around classic/gamine which explains why extremely structured dramatic outfits and busy patterns or lots of frills/floofy detail never suited me, even if it was correctly fitting/cut for a pear shape. Insured of trying to fit myself into these kinds of 'trendy ' outfits that seemed nice on others (while i felt awkward and uncomfortable) i now wear simpler lines and patterns without looking overwhelmed, and have fun experimenting within those parameters !
I'm with you on that too - I like knowing the rules not necessarily so I can follow them, but to understand how I can work with them and sometimes, break them 😈
Thank you for the intelligence and clarity in this video, and in your videos about colour. Thank you also for your even-handedness in saying that no system is necessarily better than any other. I like the concept of honouring your body's natural shape rather than trying to even it out. In my case, I'm petite in all ways and don't wish to look taller - although I do wish I could reach the top cupboards in my kitchen!
I do like that about the Kibbe system, that it's not about "Correcting" anything. I don't know with precision that my image ID is, but my understanding is that I don't appear as small as I actually am. I am petite too, but people usually think I'm taller. Don't know why... but I feel you about the cupboards, I really do struggle with that and I always have to ask my bf for help!
My legs are long compared to my body, and I have a slim build. This seems to make me appear taller. I guess maybe it's a question of proportions, and also of what people expect to see? Who knows! Thank you again.
Thank you! I find this conversation fascinating and so helpful.
@@vazq_Fernanda And thank you for not insisting in your videos that petites should automatically wear high heels all the time. Not all of us want to, not all of us can - I'm a bit of both.
For what it's worth, part of why I'm happy with my size is that my much-loved "little" brother is almost a foot taller, and has completely different colouring, so I have always felt very positive about contrast between people.
Thanks! you earned a new subscriber. I've been hearing The Kibbe System for years, from many RUclips creators. None have been as clear and concise about what it is. I have gone ahead and asked to join the FB group. And my application is pending. Thanks for the insight!
Welcome!!! I'm so glad you joined his group, I really think that is the best and truest resource. Please comment back and let me know what you find out!
Having a mix of concepts has been most helpful to me! I really like the method on Truth Is Beauty, which has similar archetypes to Kibbe. I use these ideas in conjunction with “fruit” shapes, color theory, etc. I think it’s most useful when you’re looking for guidance when you can tell something’s not working but can’t quite tell why. I’d never stop wearing a shirt just because it doesn’t suit Dramatic lines, but if it doesn’t feel right, I could ask “is it vertical enough?” “is the color too muted?” I know this was a short video but I appreciate your approach to the system and “Approximately Right” is a philosophy we definitely need to apply to more areas of life!
I agree with you! I don’t use just one methodology because I find that not all tools work for the same job- I like to have many tools for many jobs. It’s good to know about different systems to that you can learn how to fix something that’s not quite working!
Interesting. I'm requesting the book through interlibrary loan right now! I like the concept of yin yang and I've not heard of Kibbe. I like the :dressing your truth" system with Carol Tuttle and she uses some yin yang to describe the variety in how we express ourselves!
Let me know what you think of the book when you get it!
@@vazq_Fernanda you got it! I'm very curious but it sounds complicated!
Hi Fernanda. First time to comment but I've watched several of your vids by now. I'd like to say that you look loads better after you've embraced being a winter than when you were an autumn. As for my Kibbe body type, I've done the test twice and I think I'm either a DC or FN, but not sure. I'm 5'2" but don't look gamine & the gamine dress styles don't suit me. I'm not planning to incorporate the style recos for my type, since I usually just wear slacks & a top at the office. When I wear dresses, they tend to be A-line. What I've recently learned (and will implement) is color analysis. I've learned that I'm autumn (have always liked reds & yellows), but rust/ copper is my new friend! Now I understand why I never get compliments when I wear blue tops (but do when I wear reds & yellows). Thanks for the vid & good luck with your new HOC consultancy! 👍🏼🌻🌹
Finally! Thanks for demystifying. Always seemed confusing to me. However I question the utility of such a complex and exclusive system?
Honestly... I kind of do too. But to be fair, I am not an expert in it.
I found that I'm a Soft Natural by the process of elimination. Tried other styles and read Kibbe on-line to train my eye. Dressing for my id I just look and feel harmonious. I had mostly the right wardrobe because I was naturally drawn to clothes that reflect my own essence. Also grew my hair out from a bob. It's empowering to understand myself in this way.
I believe I’m a dramatic classic, or classic from the original list of types. I did do the test and I also came to the conclusion from ruling out the types that I’m obviously not.
there are elements in Kibbe that I really appreciate, and elements that -as in all classification systems- don't do justice to reality.
I do really like the idea of honouring the shape you have, rather than trying to make everyone look like the same kind of hourglass. There is so many different kinds of beautiful.
I agree with this. Especially nowadays I. meet women who really don't respond well to the hourglass typing, and prefer a more androgynous look. Styling everyone to that shape would not be helpful for all personalities, and I really believe that style can be helpful for everyone!
@@vazq_Fernanda absolutely!
I love a classic hourglass-shape, but its just not the way I'm build, and trying to make me look like one doesn't do me any justice.
And when thinking about the many people I find beautiful, a lot of them don't adhere to that very one-sided beauty ideal.
Tall or petite, muscular or slender, thin or more robust, feminine or androgynous, there is so many ways to be beautiful.
So that was quite enlightening about Kibbe for me, there is no preference of one type above the others, its just different types of beautiful.
I went into a deep Kibbe dive last summer and I THINK I’m mostly a Soft Classic, which made sense when I looked at photos of myself wearing certain garments I thought I looked better/worse in. It was pretty clear to me that anything really sharp ie) shoulder pads, angular necklines, and even sharp hair cuts really didn’t do anything for me, whereas lines that were a bit softer with just a very slight tailoring honoured my natural shape much more nicely. (Btw I like that you say “honour” and not “flatter”… flatter is so overused imo).
But I DO disagree a bit with Kibbe about the weight gain part. I have found that now that I am 9 months post partum I am much more obviously a Soft Classic, as my features are a bit more round (little more weight, hips that were medium/borderline narrow before are a little rounder etc). But when I’m more in-shape (with even just a little bit of weight loss/muscle definition) my shoulders and face get a little more angular and defined and my overall shape is a bit straighter and I think more “Dramatic Classic”. So, I mean I’m still in the Classic Family, so maybe it doesn’t change drastically with weight fluctuations but I do think certain lines, structures, cuts and fabrics are more or less nice on me at different points in my life. And generally my weight has only fluctuated up or down 25-35 lbs at time, which isn’t a lot really. So I fail to see how someone’s type couldn’t change with a more significant weight loss or gain. True, their height, limb length etc won’t change but their whole body proportion might. I watched an episode of someone bariatric surgery journey last night and in their “after” photos they looked like a completely different person.
But anyway, thanks for another great vid! Keep them coming! And I like the little “approximately right” channel name shoutout! As a perfectionist, I love the idea that we can mostly get something right and even if our best efforts aren’t 100%, it’s not a fail!
Yay you made a video on the Kibbie system
I did! You asked for it!
@@vazq_Fernanda I sure did 😊.
I have heard about this system, but haven't looked into it before. I did a style ID quiz from Rachel from Truth is Beauty, I think her IDs are based on Kibbes, but she extended them. The quiz consisted of taking a picture of your face and seeing which types of shapes look harmonious next to it. It was a really enlightening experience, because it was really clear that some shapes (like long lines) look really nice with my face, whereas other shapes make it look totally out of place.
The Style ID I arrived at was dramatic-natural-classic - this felt very fitting to me and my "essence", but in the end I found it difficult to really adapt this to my wardrobe, so I haven't really done anything with it. I find it way easier to identify what I don't like and don't look good in, but I find it difficult to hone in on what is best. In contrast, finding out my colour type was so easy to adapt and adjust my clothes accordingly.
I like to remind myself that knowing your type is not about looking the same as everyone else in that type, it's about how you interpret it. My essence is very ingenue, yet I don't like pure ingenue details - it makes me feel childish. Taking elements of that and giving them a bit of an edge is what makes me feel the most like myself.
I believe I am a Soft Natural but I like many aspects of Soft Dramatic clothing ~ specifically belts because I am a 5’7” plus size 16 with a smaller waist & big bust and by adding belts I look slimmer. I have joined Strictly Kibbe and have started the exercises. I think Aly Art is a great resource and I took the quiz she recommends. I am going to try some SN leaning clothing to see what results I get.
YES!!! She really does know a lot. I love that she's been posting all of the new typings, it really has illuminated some things for me!
I’m fairly certain I’m a Flamboyant Gamine and determined that based on studying and participating in the Kibbe subreddit for months-a very helpful resource btw if the FB groups are inaccessible to you.
I appreciate your excellent explanation - best one I’ve found so far! If the system is so complicated, and Kibbe himself is the only true authority, how can results be verified? It’s interesting as art/inspiration, but I’ll stick with my own personality, style and basic geometry!
In terms of the celebrities, he made the list public! In terms of non-celebrities, I think the only way to get verified is if you go to his studio.
I took the quiz, watched a bunch of videos, and as a result have absolutely no idea what type I am.
Please can you do a video on Halloween costumes for the body types, if you release it around the start of October I bet it would do really well :)
Hi Fernanda. I have done the Kibbe typing test numerous times. I think I am a Theoretical Romantic. I figured that was the best ID through the process of elimination. To begin I am petite so that really narrowed down my choices. I was confused between Theatrical Romantic and Soft Gamine. So I did a clothing experiment. I really don't have a lot of Gamine type of clothes. I don't look or feel my best in chopped lines, colour blocking and I hate collars closed at the top. So I sort of decided that I don't "feel" Gamine. I am trying to combine the Theatrical Romantic with my Type 1 / 2 in Dressing Your Truth system. I thought I would need to do a lot of de-cluttering and more shopping. Actually I already have the clothes I need as a Theoretical Romantic. However my problem starts with colour. I am a True Spring with most clothing in black. Where I live in Canada the national colour is black, black and more black. Great video and thanks for explaining it in great detail.
Hahaha! I think black is very common these days, but it seems to be because that’s what easiest to match. But color is super trendy right now, so I’m seeing a lot of bright colors in stores. I hope you find what you’re looking for!
I think the Kibbe system is over complicated and too esoteric for personal consulting 😝 When I looked into it, I believe that I am a Soft Natural.
I’m so glad I did Dressing Your Truth course by Carol Tuttle years ago; she uses Yin/Yang but it makes so much more sense than Kibbe and she trains *you* how to analyze *yourself* to discover your own personal beauty expressed through the energy of movement. I’ve never been steered wrong when I follow DYT. 💖
Great breakdown of Kibbe!!! You have the best one, the easiest to understand that I’ve seen!
People LOVE that system, and they've asked me to review it before, but I have a little bit of a resistance to doing it since it is something that people can still buy and I feel like as a personal stylist, I would be reviewing it unfairly (as opposed to if I was just a regular consumer) - but people have said that it has helped them a lot!
I took the quiz and thought I was gamine but then I thought theatrical romantic. After a lot of thinking about not having all the qualities of either one, I thought I might be natural(too short though). Last night I popped a hat on my head after a shower and it looked like something a gamine or classic might wear. It was fake fur and had a small brim. So now I think I'm a dramatic classic. David Kibbe is right in saying it takes 6 months to figure out what type you are.
Thank you for structuring so well the information for this system! It solified, however, my impression that this system was "too much effort" and, honestly, not necessary. One can learn to dress perfectly fine without it. Not to mention the fact that the creator doesn't want to train anyone else like he's assumed that this knowledge is not worth spreading out and passing on.
I'm not sure if he didn't want to, or if he just didn't get the opportunity to. I guess not all businesses are meant to expand in that way, and he did write the book. What I do find curious, is that he didn't self-publish and release a new edition of his book.
I tried to take the test and could barely answer the questions. I don't know what I am but I'm guessing something in the Classic or Natural area. I love the Flamboyant Gamine type and vibe with that fashion style though!
I think I’m soft dramatic I began to narrow it down by a few things I’m 5,9 so I can only be either FN,D,SD and I don’t have endless vertical I’m quite narrow naturally so I couldn’t be FN. I also looked at Sophie Loren and actually compared my limbs to her and remembered that I’m quite thin(something that makes it hard to tell if my flesh is curvy) it is the few areas I have flesh it’s made of curved lines and I have very lush facial features naturally which puts me out of dramatic category into SD(I’m mostly sure).
I'm a dramatic. I came to this conclusion by understanding shapes, dimension without comparing my frame to others. I'm in the official Kibbe group on FB but I haven't started the exercises yet. I plan to but it's time consuming, it starts with watching 4 movies. You delivered the Kibbe concept pretty effectively except one discrepancy, according to Kibbe the yin and yang is not based on masculine and feminine. From what I understand Yin is soft, round and Yang is sharp, broad. Another example would be light vs dark.
That’s a fair point, those descriptions of yin and yang actually come from earlier iterations of yin/yang systems, but I purposely leave them in quotes cause in my mind, what is feminine or masculine is kind of subjective.
Four movies is a ton!! Which movies are those? Are they his?
@@vazq_Fernanda The movies are older- Downtown Abbey, Breakfast At Tiffany's, Funny Face, etc. The list is long! Pretty much boring for my taste. Torture for of us that have no interest in these kinds of film.
I am typed as TR but when I started I couldn't decide between TR and R, they seemed so much the same. The trouble I have is that I could fit both descriptions and being overweight when I found out about Kibbe (have always been very petite otherwise) has made me softer. I feel the lack of verified overweight examples really hurts this search I've had, and the ideas on TR are very confused compared to the actual celebrity examples I see that vary in curvyness. But vibe-wise I personally can relate to either type and I could be styled either way but I wish I knew someone who understood Kibbe in person to give me some insights on how my essence comes across more. Anyway, great video! A good introduction for beginners to Kibbe.
Since you typed yourself, Romantic on it's own as a type has been removed - this could be where the confusion is coming from! He may have realized that many people were having the same issue as you?
@@vazq_Fernanda Oh really? I'm curious to know more about what you're saying, I haven't heard anything about that
Wait no, I'm actually wrong. He originally had 13 types, and pure Classic, Natural and Gamine existed, but he has since taken them away. Romantic on its own still exists. Sorry for creating more confusion!
@@vazq_Fernanda It seems like there should have been a 3rd one in the middle, that's ok!
@@lilane2400 right? he just typed Selena Gomez and it only made me more confused... 😐
I enjoy your capsule wardrobe content because it makes dressing simpler and less wasteful but I have to say I think color theory and body typing is just another way to complicate dressing. Just wear what makes you feel good without worrying about if it’s‘right’ for your shape or coloring. We don’t need so many rules, it’s just clothes…
Fair point! I think this is one of those instances where it depends on your personality. Some people actually do better with rules and parameters, and others absolutely hate guidelines and rules. Dressing is incredibly personal and it's important to strike a balance of information of what will be helpful to different people.
Yes, you are right, but on the Other Side, its an exciting Game with much fun and you gain knowledge about yourself. I Love it.
I found out that I am a Soft Natural. (By analyzing my body, reading through the clothing recommendations and watching videos). Now I am super happy with it, feel comfortable in my clothes and know exactly what suits me. What kind of ID are you, Fernanda? Are you Soft Classic or Theatrical Romantic? With others, it's not always easy for me to tell what ID the person has.
I really have no idea! I definitely have a lot of yin features so my guess is that I would have to be on that side of the spectrum. I would not say I'm Gamine at all, so my best guess is SR. TR has too much curve for me, and I have super angular shoulders. But again, that's my best guess!
I researched the Kibbe system and I have no idea what type I am. What I did find useful was learning how to identify yin and yang qualities both in the human body and in fabrics and textures and cuts of clothing. This made it immediately clear to me why I think I look absolutely ridiculous in overly yin clothing and too harsh in styles that are yang dominant.
Fascinating! You make a good point that I didn't get to touch on in the video - the fact that clothes and fabrics have their own Ying & yang qualities. It's so interesting to me, because I am very Yin but if I don't balance out my outfits with a little bit of yang, I feel out of place in my own clothes. I noticed this over and over again in my last video - too feminine and I just felt off! 😂😂
@@vazq_Fernanda Sounds like we are both zeroing in on the importance of balance (and making the choice to lean into one side or the other) to achieve a look that we feel like ourselves in. 😊 Learning this helped me put my finger on why certain things can be the right color, or length, or proportion but still feel "off." Put me in anything with a ruffle and I feel like a lumberjack cosplaying as Little Bo Peep 😆😆.
See and I LOVE a ruffle! But the scale and size of the ruffle is key - too much ruffle and I feel like I'm wearing a costume!
@@vazq_Fernanda I have broad shoulders and long arms so if I try a ruffled top or dress, it's instant "Brawny Paper Towel Man in Drag" vibes. 🤣
I like the Kibbe system, it’s very interesting. For me it was mindblowing, some things I‘m doing instinctly right in the past, some things are so wrong looking on me 🙈 All Garmin lines are now gone, I‘m a Soft Natural and most of the recommendations fits my aesthetic, style and body 😊
Interesting! I’ve heard that he definitely takes into account personality, was that the case for you?
@@vazq_Fernanda I think so. I’m down to earth, creative and sensitive. Severe lines doesn’t work for me, I’m definitely soft in all matters. If I like it a little bit bolder, Flamboyant Natural lines are suiting me, too ☺️
@@VanCrane I'm so curious what mine is, cause in another system I'm familiar with I'm a Yin archetype that Kibbe doesn't have in his system - not romantic, but not gamine either, something in between.
@@vazq_Fernanda That’s why I can’t figure out which type you are! I’m not bad in Kibbe typing, not professional but with enthusiasm ☺️ I’m always debating whether Soft Garmine or Theatrical Romantic is your personal type 🤔
@@VanCrane I don't feel like a gamine at all! But then again, don't feel like a TR either. Maybe the essence will help it all make sense together.
Romantic but I’m probably a stereotypical example hence it was easier for me. I did spend some time thinking I was SN but the softened yang angularity made more sense the more research I did and I understood I fit R better.
Fascinating! I'm not sure where I would lie, maybe soft romantic? I do have a lot of Yin in me, but not the extreme, and I definitely don't think I'm a gamine. What do you think I am?
@@vazq_Fernanda do you mean romantic? A softer romantic is still a romantic, while a sharper one would be theatrical romantic.
And as for your type, I don’t know…it looks like you have some angularity based on your video, so maybe something other than R?
@@niharika14 So you think I'm Gamine? I just don't feel like any of those guidelines fit my personality.
@@vazq_Fernanda um I’m not sure, difficult to tell with a video. I guess I thought narrowness/sharpness, but it’s upto you
I think I'm a theatrical romantic because that's what the quiz said and the styling suggestions really worked for me. at first glance I assumed I was a gamine because I am short and look even shorter but it turns out I don't have enough yang. I think people waaaay overcomplicate this system though. it is not rocket science and it shouldn't take six months to figure out.
Are you familiar with the Kibbe System? If you are, do you know your Image ID? How did you arrive at your ID?
I tried to do Strictly Kibbe's exercises, but found them to be full of (IMO) needless projects that told me nothing. After 6 months, I was as confused as where I started. What I decided for myself is some kind of Classic, leaning toward DC. I'm average height, and limbs, torso, an DC facial features seem evenly distributed. I'm fleshy, but don't have a lot of flesh. I do have some dramatic features in shoulders and face. Also, recs do seen to work for me.
@@rebeccahowe5558 Did you watch the four movies recommended in exercise 1? Who has time to do that?
@@mkim4091 oh, there's more than 5 movies! And I can't get past the subject matter in most of them. My Fair Lady is 3 hours of a woman being mentally abused into submission. Funny Face is fine. But Fred Astaire was way too old to play Audrey Hepburn's love interest. Wasn't going to watch either of those again🙄
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@@rebeccahowe5558 Props to you for putting in the work before judging the system though!
I've seen few youtube videos and found I look like romantic. The test said mostly romantic with high persentage of classic. I had wardrobe declutter with a stylist and she meant, I'm romantic-classic mix. Is there such a thing or does it means soft classic? She wanted to throw away my favorite mini skirt, because it is dramatic. Who cares, I love this piece. But I find it helpfull to know the rules, so you can break them here and there. Now I'm looking into not always dressing too playful as she showed me classic styles work for me too. Bevore I only considered them for a job.
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I think I’m a soft gamine based on my petite body, rectangular shape, short arms and angular face bone structure which is wide and fleshy. I’m drawn to clean, fitted lines in clothes including belts, jacket piping, skinny jeans, pencil skirts, block colors. What do you think?
I would have to see you to know, but based on your tastes, gamine does sound right! Gamines also like little quirky details in their clothing in my experience.
@@vazq_Fernanda Thanks for your reply! Yes, I’m an artist and appreciate interesting jewelry, belts and patterns such as paisleys and florals.
I tried one of those quizzes online, and watched a few dozens of videos, and could not decide my type. Are my limbs longer or shorter than average? Are my features rounder because I'm overweight, or because I'm naturally soft and curvy? I did not get any useful information out of answering the questions or looking at the exemplars.
I struggle with this too. I'm not clear of the difference between soft flesh and a few extra pounds, or the reverse you know? Extreme yang and underweight.
@@vazq_Fernanda Yes! I can see another person wondering, "Am I angular and chiseled, or can I see my 'edges' because I'm thin?" This system was too much frustration for the gains I could've expected. I already know what flatters me: waist definition, full-length pants, skirts just below the knee, higher rise bottoms, v-necks and wrap tops, 3/4 sleeves, jewel tones, fluid and yielding fabrics, but not too many frills. I already look harmonious---in my eyes!
Fernanda, are you going to identify your body type and share with us?
Ooof... I don't know. I do know my archetype from another Ying & Yang system, but Kibbe doesn't have that archetype in his system. I wonder if it's worth the time. 36 exercises in 6 months? Would you invest that time?
@@vazq_Fernanda Not at this time. I identify with Soft Natural which makes sense to me. Just out of curiosity I am going to get a style consultation with HOC to compare.
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Hi Fernanda, thanks a lot for your Video.
iam not a native english speaker:
I discovered kibbe 9/20 through a German you tuber + immediately took the test, which I then modified umpteen times over the next few months. I was hooked and watched a lot of videos (a lot of Aly Art, Merriem Style,...), researched everything I could get my hands on on the topic, researched every free minute I had on the internet. Kibbe is a real challenge, even more so for non-English speakers, but most of all it was great fun to explore new things, I wanted to change/improve my dressing style as my body/taste changes with age.
I decided against the FB group mainly because of the English language. Reddit was added, ead I really recommend!
Due to my height of 1.70 m, only the 4 largest kibbe types came into question for me. my physique corresponded most closely to DC, but I was still unsure and really wanted clarity. That's why I let myself be typed by a young woman with at least 35 photos sent 5/2021: she also came to DC (I paid about 40€, it was worth it to me, otherwise I wouldn't have done it).
In my eyes, Kibbe is one of the best tools for dressing well because you bring everything with you (I mean your body) and his recommendations for all 13 or 10 body types just make sense, are relatable and honor you own body, what more does a woman want?
you don't have to make science out of it either. I'm grateful to Kibbe for his work, and I'm not really constrained by just being DC, I'm enriched by knowing (roughly) how to best dress myself (foch I'm still learning). and if I feel like it, I just go beyond the borders of DC, so what? Who cares? nobody but me.
of course it would be nice if he did 1 revised book but it's his choice. Kibbe is accessible to all and at no financial cost, but his method can be very time consuming, but some people discover their body type very quickly (it took me about 8 intense months to work it out on my own and then finally get it confirmed).
I have benefited from Kibbe and would recommend "his" modified concept at any time. no more and no less.
all other methods out there don't work for me (as well).
everyone has the (agonized) choice of finding the method that suits them or simply dressing as they like, detached from all rules. everyone decides voluntarily and freely for or against.
Fashion isn't a science, it should be fun first, right?
Some of the recommendations for my type were kind of no brainers but most of them just don't mesh with my personality. I had no idea that he doesn't train anyone in his system lol... so when he dies, that's all folks 😆
This is a very interesting topic. But, it seems very unobtainable. Kind of like something only celebrities can tap into. This makes sense, bc image rules their careers. Anyway, it’s too much effort for this SAHM. Although, if I could explore this more, I think I’d really enjoy it.
I’m a Soft classic.
I suppose you to be soft dramatic 😘 is it correct? How do you yourself categorize
I'm not sure, but I don't think I would be on that side of the spectrum at all. I would guess I am more Yin than Yan overall. I would guess Theatrical Romantic.
Seems like a great way to make this guy a fortune, making women obsess over their bodies 🤔
To be fair to him, the two people that came before him and developed ying & yang on bodies and archetypes were both women, so I'm not sure that's at all what he was intending to do.
The book is out of print. He’s not going to make a fortune.
Wonder if he did a version for men… somehow, I doubt it. 😒
I’m a classic
Soft or dramatic classic?
She didn’t say soft exactly, rather classic with a feminine essence.
@@megremisfamily4music Who is she? I'm so curious about how you found out, would you tell me more?
Check out Elyssa Aesthetic on Yourube. Elyssa does personal styling consultations.somewhat based on the Kibbe system.
Gotta be honest, I think this system is a confused load of BS. 🤷🏻♀️
Tell me more about that - what makes you feel this way?
@@vazq_Fernanda Two main reasons. First, it assumes there are a limited number of physical/aesthetic categories based on physical appearance. But there are so many combinations of physical traits, (e.g. face shape, limb proportions, vertical and horizontal proportions at multiple positions in the body etc), that any ‘category’ that combines several is really just an arbitrary selection. Look for other combinations of traits and you could produce a whole different set of categories.
My biggest issue with it though, is it gets the purpose of aesthetics back to front. Our aesthetic choices do not/should not depend primarily on our physicality, they depend on our psychology/personality. Confusing the physical and psychological has a long and murky history, for example, the Victorian phrenologists who thought ‘criminal types’ had a differently shaped skull to everyone else. Or today’s sexists/misogynists, who would say female bodies are inherently weak, soft and rounded, and ‘ought’ to be dressed to emphasis ‘feminine’ personality traits, which ‘naturally’ accompany such a body. The Kibbe system suggests because you have a body with certain characteristics, you should adopt a certain aesthetic, which is in ‘harmony’ with those characteristics.
Well, what if the woman with ‘romantic’ characteristics doesn’t want to look ‘romantic’? What if ‘I’m soft, placid and traditionally feminine’ is not the message she wants to send with her clothing? What if studded biker boots and industrial goth aesthetic is more her thing? I’m pretty sure the primary purpose of clothing, beyond keeping us warm and comfortable, is to send social messages about how we want to express ourselves. If we want to be seen as spiky, or powerful, we can do that with our dress. If we want to be seen as free-spirted and fun-loving, again, we can convey that. We can even show we are dedicated to a profession with choices in our dress. That is the key function of aesthetics in clothing - to translate aspects of our personality and psychology and express ourselves. It’s nothing to do with ‘harmonising’ with some arbitrary physical traits of our bodies .
I don’t think systems which encourage women to heavily fixate on boundaries, categories, or limitations inherent in their physical bodies are very helpful. We get enough of that in Western culture already. Wear the clothes that make you FEEL good. Wear the ones that make you feel most yourself. Wear the ones that match your personality. 🤷🏻♀️
@@vazq_Fernanda To expand on what I’ve just said a bit, in terms of what I’d like to see from you tube peeps, like yourself, I think focusing on how you create aesthetic elements of style is the positive and helpful way forward, (rather than body type systems like Kibbe). So, you could explore how you can create different aesthetics (like edgy, romantic, preppy, bohemian etc). What style elements can women use? What happens when you mix them? I think helping women develop the tools they need to achieve the style aesthetics they are drawn to is really helpful.