This has been the best explanation I've seen so far! Thanks for this video! I'm 52 years young and discovered the Kibbe and Kitchener worlds a few months ago. What I realized is how much I have been hiding my body in way too big clothing. It has to do with a distorted self-perception image which stems from my younger years of not having a curvy, attractive body type. I never had a blooming moment as a woman, and I still use the same bra size as I did in High School. I'm a 5'2" Soft Gamine with Gamine and Classical essences. I recently cut my hair in a pixie and wow, my Gamine was awakened! PS. Sorry for the lengthy comment.
SD here, hi! I fell down the Kibbe rabbit hole in my late twenties, but it was only recently that I realized I was Soft Dramatic. Dressing for vertical plus curve has been an unconscious go-to of mine for years--that alone should have told me I was barking up the wrong tree when I first assumed I was a Flamboyant Gamine. Great video!
@@alyssarudman It was a wild ride. After I realized I wasn't a gamine but some flavor of dramatic, I tried pinning photo after photo of stark architectural fashions only to have it dawn on me that that wasn't strictly accurate either. The final tipoff was my partner remarking that I reminded him more of Ava Gardner than Katharine Hepburn. All right, I thought, I'll take it.
You’re the only video I have found that explains this properly and it detail. Most videos: the bones will sharp or blunt…well, what the hell does that mean? Looks all the same to me!!! So thank you for explaining. I think I have a better idea of what I am leaning towards now. 🙌
Love this video. I always felt so boring because I'm moderate looking in every way. I so wanted to be in the natural style family but, i just don't have those broad shoulders. The quizzes for kibbe are so unhelpful for me. Doing the line drawing and being totally open to anything showed me how balanced my body is. The body drawing and the process of elimination is how I landed on dramatic classic.
What a great video! This is the first time I come close to understanding the kibbe body type (I didn’t even bother because it seemed so complicated). Now I’m between a soft natural and a soft classic but my shoulders are more symmetric with my hips and I’ve never had to accommodate the shoulders when I’m wearing the right size so I think I’m a soft classic. Thank you!
Oh lady, i can't thank you enough for this video. This has cleared almost all of my confusion regarding kibbe body types. You're an angel. ❤ Can you also make a video on how to dress different body types in different settings like office, formal events, dates, etc.
WOW thank you so much! It was so much easier to finally determine my body type! If only you had made this video years ago, it would have help me to save so much time and frustration😅😅
Oh, I love this video. It’s giving me a lot of clarity, but I’m still stuck between soft, natural and soft Gamine. I would even go as far to say that my father is a Gamine and my mother might be a soft natural. I definitely feel like I’m towing the line between the two.
Sounds like you need to determine whether you have width or an overall more narrow frame and shoulder line. If SN and SG are truly the only possibilities, then having width would make you SN (and eliminate SG) 🥰
GIRL I LOVE YOU I NEVER THOUGHT I WOULD BE ABLE TO FIND MY KIBBE BODY TYPE... All yt videos and google researches ended up by confusing me even more!! But watching your video was WONDERFUL: FINALLY I FOUNDED MY KIBBE BODY TYPE!!! I'M A SOFT DRAMATIC!!! Your video was super easy to understand. I loved every second of it. Girl, you're a blessing!!! ❤❤❤
Thank you so much, this is so good. I am going to send this to all of my friends struggling with the Kibbe system after I've recommended them to look into it. Absolutely lovely!
This explains everything so well thank you! I typed myself initially as tr then i thought maybe sg. But i was clearly sn i have to accommodate my shoulder/ upper arm area and curvy hips. I love being able to know my type and dress to accommodate my body
Thanks for the amazing content, Alyssa People in Brazil love this topic, please consider putting subtitles in portuguese in your videos. I'm sure you'll get many viewers Best wishes ❤
I appreciate this well organized video!! ❤ I wish I could post my picture here on RUclips like I do with Reddit lol, on Reddit kibbe type me, most people typed me SOFT DRAMATIC but someone pointed out how I don’t accommodate upper curve and now I’m confused. I’ve been dressing in soft dramatic lines too, idk if I’m soft dramatic with very small boobs or a DRAMATIC. The main shapes I see in my silhouette are long elongated ovals, and one of my boob is asymmetrical so it can be hard to tell for upper curve
Thanks a lot for making this video. You highlighted crucial differences, explained and displayed them an in clear way :D Was unsure for almos 1 year between D, SD and FN and finally realized I must be FN!
Hi! This is an amazing video! I have an issue identifying my body type even though I've been researching this topic for years and created my siluete. I am 5.4 and I don't feel petit, but I need my clothes to fit tight in order not to overwhelm me. I would say it's because of my bust area that is too small when you compare it to my overall body and hips, but not too small in comparison with my waist. Also, my waist is tiny in comparison to my butt and lower hip area and shoulders. I have prominent shoulders, but I don't feel like I have to accommodate that in any way. It might be because my size is the smallest one for tops and bottoms, and in shoulders, it fits okay, but it's big around my bust (my breasts appear bigger only because of my small bust area, they are B/C cup). I have to accommodate curve for my lower part of the body. Bottoms are better if they are fitted around my waist and butt, but wider or flared. I am not overweight, and I have small head, feet, and hands. I have sharp bones and small wrists, and my bones are visible. I am curviy, but bony. I think I may be FG. If anyone could help, I would appreciate it so much!
I’d love to help you but I’d have to see your photos to really understand your shapes and proportions. You’re always welcome to DM me on Instagram @alyssarudman 🥰
After watching this video for the third time i finally found out that i am a Romantic type. Being a pear shape means a lot of advice / only advice about hiding or define your features, but what if you don't want to? What if you just want to be you? looking at myself as only a pearshape was one step to gain more body confidence and the kibbe bodytype was the next step to fully love my self. I have still moments when my insecurity takes control but it will be for a short moment. understandy my body inside and out means understanding myself. Thank you so much for this video.
Finally I have confirmation! I’ve watched countless videos explaining it but now I know for certain that I’m a soft classic. I’m 5’2, so I wasn’t sure if I was soft gamine, but my bones are definitely not narrow. I gave up looking into it because it seemed no one could agree on certain people’s bodies.
I am struggling with the same problem! 5’1 and the only thing I see is a slight curve! Soft gamine was my first guess, but the lines were super weird on me! Felt like too much, even cloudish! Then I tried some TR lines and it still felt like too much , romantic lines look ok, but the over soft as in ruffles and sparkle seems to be too much! Soft classic lines looks realy good! But I am obviously short, so that what I would like some help. Can a super short woman be balanced????
Such a great precise explanation of the types and differences! I used to wonder why on earth I looked so boring and plain in more laid back classic clothing choices…flamgam & boy do I need some vivid contrast & textures to look awake. 😂 I look hidden or dragged down by a lot of those classic clothing pieces (solid button downs). They need some layering & pattern mixing to accomplish that crisp, clean, fun & polished effect. It always feels like it’s going to be a bit too much but nope! Lol
This was great! I did the line drawing. One of the most noticeable things is that I have a broad chest and large rib-cage. Not very much waist definition. My shoulders just a little wider than my hips, but pretty balanced. Long legs/arms. Pretty sure I'm soft natural (with a fairly classic face as you mentioned can go with that.) Can I rule out soft classic because of my upper body width? 5'6"
It's difficult to say without being able to look at you, but I would consider the possibility of FN. It sounds like you may have vertical rather than curve, but again it's difficult to tell without seeing your photo 🥰
@@alyssarudman I’ll look a closer look at FN too then! Overall I look yin (ingenue facial qualities) but for sure I have some yang to my bones! I had a DEXA body composition scan last year and it was really cool to see my skeleton vs flesh. Def blunt shoulders and long limbs.
Thank you for this, it's clarified so much. Could I propose one video suggestion? True/Cool Winter capsule wardrobe but for Romantic. I find this to be a bit hard to manage given Romantic detailing can be hard to find in darker colors. I loved your recent SD Winter coloring capsule so much because of this, I realized what I loved about it was the color palette. Please and thank you!
Just added to my list! I know you found my other Romantic + Winter video but I may be able to create another one in the future specifically for True/Cool Winter 🥰
@ensulalachance8353 I will look into it. I feel it could be a bit too much maybe for every day. Maybe. Hmmm...you kinda gave me an idea actually. With the Gothic I thought "lace", "glam" and Madonna. Especially her "Papa Don't Preach" bratty look. It looks liveable and casual enough for me to wear on the move but still feminine and a bit sexy thay I don't feel "blah". Just enough softness to look normal but in the every day silhouette used now of some kind of pants and shirts. I like it. Do you have any recommendations for specific stores or brands that you might be familiar with? NGL when I thought Goth I also got reminded of that brief "Scene" meets "Emo" thing in the late 2000s. I loved it but the haggard and grungy looking dry material Goth look is not my thing. Corsets I can do and wear from time to time but uhm, it's not often appropriate for everyday especially as I get older. I still have the figure but sometimes being too sexy can feel cheap. Why is marrying style with comfort and life so hard! 😫 I also tilt "glamourous", I like to wear bold lips, big hair, and do the Femme Fatale thing as I look and feel natural in that but I want to be even more comfortable now. Madonna gone Italian/"Papa Don't Preach" is gonna be my reiterating of "Goth" lmao. Thank you friend!
Huh. So I am def a natural type. Prob a soft natural, i kept thinking I was a DC. But I always have to make sure my shoulders fit into whatever I am trying on.
I had a suspicion I was a flamboyant gamine, but I was confused because I am a bit on the busty side. I asked my mom to describe my body type for me and she told me I looked like a short beanpole, so I guess that confirms it. 😂 This was a great way to explain the body types, especially for beginners that get confused, some of the terms Kibbe uses can get a bit complicated.
Oh, I think you just solved my issues with typing myself. I've always been told I cant be petite, because my head isn't big for my body, so I therefore couldn't be a gamine. I often get typed in the natural family due to sharp shoulders, but have never had issues in fitting my shoulders in clothes. But judging on what you've just said I might actually be a FG. Slight elongation due to my vertical line, but still petite due to the narrowness and delicateness of my bones and the sharper shoulder area. I''ll have to experiment with this type now. . .
Based on everything you said, I think you’re probably right! Sharp shoulders are definitely more of an FG trait than a Natural trait. Let me know how your experimentation goes!! 🥰
Thanks so much for clarifying a lot of the kibbe concepts. I do have some additional questions, if you don't mind. When creating this line drawing, I saw lots of ovals in my body shape, one larger oval on the bottom and one slightly smaller on top. When you mention ovals in your video, what do ovals mean as far as body typing? Do ovals correlate with any specific kibbe body type? Also, for the outline of your head, do you include your ears/hair within the outline or just the face? Being 5'5.5", I've struggled to figure out what kibbe type I am. My face outline measurement to the floor is 7.5 heads,, so I don't know if I have a short vertical accommodation. I've always been curvaceous and soft, with very slightly narrower shoulders than my hips, but I am taller than TR & R, so I'm leaning towards SC. Maybe learning what oval shapes signify will help with body typing. Thank you again for sharing, it's exciting and fun trying to figure all this out!
Ovals tend to indicate elongation, but without seeing your photo and line drawing it’s very difficult to help you determine your body type. When outlining your head, try to trace the shape of the head itself rather than face or hair. The best way I can describe this is to trace your head as if you didn’t have any hair. So the top of your head is likely above your hairline but below the top of your actual hair 🥰
@@alyssarudman Thanks for the response, Alyssa! Now it's 7.25 heads to the floor for me, but I probably have vertical accommodation with the length in my torso but short arms and legs. I look terrible in all things that don't accommodate for curves, so from this video, I'm leaning even more towards Soft Classic. What is kibbe for soft, curvy, with slight elongation who looks terrible in heavy clothing and geometrics? The next time I have extra cash, I'll have to book a session with you to finally figure this out and get my color season done! 💗PS I really love how you mentioned that Kibbe body typing is a way to dress for your body and not to force yourself into any specific body shape. It's why I like learning about Kibbe so much, it focuses on what works for your body no matter the size
The biggest difference between the two is width vs narrowness. Soft Gamine is petite, which is the combination of narrowness and short stature, so the Soft Gamine is narrow overall. Soft Natural has width (primarily across the shoulders or chest), and therefore is not narrow. I will have a Short coming out on this at some point!
I would love it if you did a similar video for the male body types. There is so little Kibbe content out there for men. I think it would get a lot of views from men who have searched in vain for this information on RUclips.
I am so excited about this series and have signed up for your course. I have been typed a FN, but I struggle with feeling like I need to accomadate curve. Is it possible accomadate vertical + curve + width?
Me too, I am a soft dramatic but the top is closer to romantic while the bottom is closer to soft natural. I have a vertical, curve (inc infamous double curve, even though I am not romantic); I also have width in the lower part of my body. At a lower weight, I have the waspish waist of the theatrical romantic. @@alyssarudman
@@desireemensah if you are FN, perhaps your personal preference is guiding you away from oversized silhouettes and towards those with more emphasis on curve, and that’s totally okay! In my experience, I’ve never encountered someone who has more than two dominant features though, so it’s likely that either vertical, curve, or width can be deprioritized in your body analysis. Which two features do you feel are most dominant?
Great video, I love you calm voice! Can gamine also appear taller than they really are? I have small head and long legs and arms with short torso, I'm 163 cm but people think I am at least 10 cm taller. Rest of my body is more soft gamine like. I am not dramatic for sure, but maybe dramatic classic, my face is classic and a little bit ingenue
It’s difficult to say without seeing you, but gamines typically don’t appear tall (or taller than they are). I’d be happy to help you out if you need a second opinion on your photo 🥰
I am still stuck inbetween soft classic and dramatic classic. I think circles fit to my shoulders. In torso i see more of trapezium towards waist. In hips - not sure. I would say that curves start below the hips (under underwear line). I am lost 😂
Can you explain how to know if you have to accommodate width? My shoulders are slightly wider than my hips, I see mostly trapezoids shapes with round corners but can't still decide between SG and SN. I'm 5'2", short vertical line.
Do you need things to accommodate petite? Do you need clothes close to the body, preferably showing ankles or wrists? Soft Gamine can get by with a lot more sharpness than SN as well. How do you handle a traditionally fitted blazer?
I just read your blog & I had to click on the video posted there just to comment and tell you how much I appreciate your time and your thorough explanation of all the types and how you found a way to simplify an otherwise very complicated process. My frustrations were ever growing as all u wanted was to figure out my body type and finally thankz to you im 111% sure of what that type is!! Thank you so much truly your knowledge on the topic is invaluable. 🙏🙏🙏🙏💖💖💖💖💖💖💖💖💖💖💖🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥😭😭😍😍
So my shoulders and hips are the exact same width and I'm elongated (8 head lenghts), but my drawing look too wide for the dramatic types even thought I'm slim by size of clothing. I guess I'm too tall for classic (5"8). So confused😢
Wow, this sounds almost exactly like me. 😄 (Except I'm 5'7" and I'm not sure how many heads tall I am.) I'm driving myself (and my family members) a little crazy trying to figure out my type.
This video is made perfectly 😊, you made it so clear ❤ . I still don’t know what type I am though 😂 , I’m not sure what my dominant features are . I have a short vertical line, width , I think mostly sharp bones , yin flesh , small hands and feet , romantic essence ❤, I think I have double curve, and sharp shoulders.
The biggest difference between SN and R is that SN is frame-dominant and R is curve-dominant. Romantics’ features will be made up of almost circular shapes while Soft Naturals’ features will be bluntly angular (softly squared). SN will also have more width and strength in their shoulders (their shoulders add structure to the clothing they wear) while the R will have more rounded or sloped shoulders. Romantics have double-curve and Soft Naturals do not. I hope that’s helpful!
I am five feet four and small boned. Though I have gained a lot of weight. My face is a square shape. I don't have a lot of natural muscle. My eyes are almond shaped with a square shaped face but not one of those square faces with sharp angles. My nose is kind of wide but not super wide. My lips don't have much width but they are neither thin no large as far as fleshiness.
I’d love to help but I would need to see your photo to really understand your shapes and proportions 🥰 you are always welcome to DM me on Instagram @alyssarudman
Well, this video brought me much closer to detecting my body type. Anyway, I am still struggling (which might be dependent on having gained weight by a disease). I am not petite, but I am not tall, either (5'4"). But in comparison to my height, I have very long legs and a short torso. I usually buy jeans 32 inches long, my inner leg length is 79 cm. I've got a big bust. After the breakout of lipedema, everything on my body softened, in particular, my hips widened a lot. But I always had a clearly defined waist whether I wore S or now XL, my waist-hip ratio was always something around 0,7. Therefore I always struggled with the waist of trousers: Most times the pants fit on the hips, but the waistline is way too wide. I can see a double circle if I only look at my chest and hips, but between my waist and knees, there is definitely an elongated oval. I cannot wear rounded necklines at all, they look horrible on me. That applies to all boxy shapes, too, but also to everything playful like ruffles or romantic patterns. I look best in clear, narrow (not tight) lines and solid colors, stripes, checks, and geometrical prints, but horrible in polka dots. I tend to think I might be a dramatic classic, but I really have no clue. 🤔🤔😂😂
I would love to help but I would need to see a photo of you. If you DM me on Instagram @alyssarudman I can give you a discount code for my color & body typing service 🥰
@@alyssarudman thank you. Is it the same account name? Despite that could you make a video, please, where you go into further detail how to discern between all those descriptions like "petite",' "elongated" and so on? For example Keira Kneightley is not small, but I'd see her bone structure as petit. I struggle to see a difference at all if someone is really skinny (it looks all the same =bony to me then) or of someone is of more weight (it looks fleshy to me then). Maybe I struggle with that because English isn't my mother tongue, but I am for sure not the only one who could need some help here. Accirding to another channel I would be a "theatrical romantic" or a "dramatic classic". You don't talk about theatrical at all as far as I remember. The more I watch the more I get confused.😃
@@summersun6536 Sure I can definitely create more content around that! I am planning to do Shorts for many of the body type comparisons as well. And yes, my Instagram account is @alyssarudman as well 🥰
Based on the accommodations I should be a Romantic - I have a pear shape, a very big difference between waist and hips, shoulders almost the same as hips, but I never have to accommodate them, only the waist-hips ratio. In the Kibbe test I got predominantly E and D answers, but Cs in the face section. But I'm 173cm (5'7"), and other sources say that it's "too high for a romantic", plus my facial features are much more moderate than the romantic ones - I don't have "doe-like eyes" or "lush lips". Can you help me narrow down on what else I should focus on? I thought maybe soft classic or soft natural, but the curve is really the main accommodation I have. Thanks! 🙏🙏🙏
Maybe Soft Classic, definitely not Soft Natural if you don’t have to accommodate width in your shoulders 🥰 I can’t be sure without seeing you though! Technically Soft Dramatic could also be possible.
So for jackets, I always feel like my usual clothing size is too tight on my shoulders, so I have to size up. But then the jacket is kind of loose everywhere else. Is that indicative of needing width accommodation? Or maybe it's just a jacket thing? It's not as noticeable with shirts, but sometimes I struggle to get things over my shoulders when trying on if it's not a loose fit.
It could be, especially if you are confident in the quality of the sizing and cuts of the jackets you are trying. Sometimes fast fashion brands cut corners and make things smaller/ill fitting to save money, which can result in a poor fit on almost anyone. But if you are trying mid-to-high-end brands in your true size and are consistently having issues with fit in the shoulders, then that may be an indicator of width. I have that exact problem, and I am FN.
I’m a flamboyant natural but I feel quite short, since my head is very wide but i’m exactly 8 heads tall… so technically I have a long vertical line Idk it seems strange
Do you feel you do not actually have a long vertical line? The head measuring trick is just one way to help determine your vertical line but it’s not a strict rule. In the end, it’s all about your overall proportions 🥰
If you are petite but have an extremely defined waist can you be a soft gamine? I have a very small waist but also I think my shoulders show width so I dont think I can be theatrical romantic. People always comment on my petiteness first as my bone structure is very tiny but I seem much more curved than the soft gamine describes? I really can't work out my type 😭
You probably have a moderate vertical line, which is totally possible for someone 5’7”. But if you want some confirmation, you can always DM me on Instagram @alyssarudman 🥰
How to tell if I’m a curvier soft classic or a romantic? I feel I’m rounder/softer than the celeb examples of soft classic but I don’t suit the ornate styles often suggested for romantics. All I know is I am very yin 😂
I can’t be sure of your body type without seeing you, but maybe you are romantic and you just don’t identify with the styles that are typically associated with romantics. That’s why I don’t recommend Kibbe’s Image ID system and I prefer to solely focus on understanding the body’s shapes and lines. You don’t have to wear ornate styles as a romantic!
You can be SD and have no defined waist. Kibbe's book describes SD waist as moderate, which can become thick. They just have upper curve so the breast area is defined in the silhouette. I'm a waistless SD too ;)
Is it possible that soft classic have bird like hand as theatrical romantic have!! I mean, i can see symmetry in maximum features of mine, but this one make me confuse, I have short mid-section body type, upper halves and lower halves have same distribution..
Yes it’s possible. One feature alone won’t upset your overall yin/yang balance. Try to look at the full picture rather than specific individual features 🥰
I would have to see your photos to be able to help you determine your type, but I can say that your body shape and bone structure are what determine your body type and should be weighted more heavily than your facial features. Facial features can sometimes contain clues to our body type (since our facial features are also impacted by our flesh and bone structure) but facial features alone won’t override your body type. If you want some help you’re welcome to DM me on Instagram @alyssarudman
I have zero idea what I am. Hour glass but short. Mixed face features. Broad and strong. So a muscular hourglass that’s short and not really soft. I am too curvy for soft natural, too much width for soft gamine. No others come close. All clothes look decent except clothes that make the lower half look bigger. Have spent last 12hrs not being able to figure it out.
I still don't know if I'm D or SD. I have sharp shoulders and a medium bust, not round/full. I have a very defined waist and big round hips and butt like an SD, but my face is very purely D. I feel like I'm stuck in between the two :O and neither clothing recommendations suits me, I feel like a non existent mix.
Bulking or cutting (gaining or losing weight or muscle) won’t change your yin/yang body type. Genetically your bone structure and fat distribution doesn’t change even if you lose weight or build muscle. I find that the bone structure is most important when it comes to your yin/yang body type
Thank you for replying@@alyssarudman . I find it really hard sometimes to understand the kibbe type but your video is by far the most easy to understand 💕💕
I am a very skinny person, this is overwhelming even with all the videos, i thought I was theoretical romantic cause i related to everything but height and double curve. Even when I add weight its in my face, inner arms and thighs. I'm a little top heavy. Thats it. Im confused. Help
I feel like I am really straight with no curves and I'm slim with chubby cheeks and big eyes, full lips and a round nose. My body is an inverted triangle and I'm really slim. But I have baby face and my friends make fun of my cheeks. I thought it was water weight cause I'm slim with round cheeks because last year I my dad showed my photos to some family members they had all assumed I was fat because of my cheeks because the photo was face photo. I have feminine face and masculine body, I don't have curve. I'm straight. Pls help. How do I dress up. I just wear jeans everyday!!!!!
Width is always relative within an individual’s unique proportions, so I don’t know exactly what you are picturing when you say “slightly wider” shoulders or hips. But petite is defined as the combination of narrowness and short stature. This doesn’t mean that one must be extremely narrow to be petite, but if one of their dominant descriptors is width, then they cannot also be petite. Dominant width eliminates the possibility of dominant petite. They are mutually exclusive. Also, one can have a short vertical line without necessarily being petite (this appears quite often in Soft Naturals, who have width and can have a moderate-to-short vertical line). Did that help?
I personally do see petite and narrowness in Liza. I can see what you are getting at, especially in more recent photos and some where her shoulders are emphasized by her clothing. But petite is dictated by the bone structure not so much the flesh. Her bones are quite narrow and if you look at younger photos of her wearing fitted clothing, her shoulders are quite narrow. I’m curious to hear your thoughts!
@alyssarudman kibbe says petite means short bones. That is why he says R is petite. I was surprised you didn't say R is petite because it is very emphasized by kibbe that R is petite. As for me I am struggling so much to see myself objectively. But I narrowed it to TR or SG maybe even pure R. But in some photos i look very tiny petite other photos I look gigantic like an SD you would think I am 5"7 but i am only 5'2. So I am confused tbh
@@ssam1820 I’d be happy to help out! If you would like to shoot me a photo I can talk through my thought process with you. Feel free to send me a DM on Instagram @alyssarudman 🥰
not vertical somewhat soft dramatic flamboyant natural : shoulders much wider than hips angular, soft natural : X Dramatic classic yes gamine : petite means narrow
This was a great video, but I have a question between the soft gamine and theatrical romantic… I thought it was the theatrical romantic that had that underlying vertical due to the dramatic undercurrent in their romantic shape.
SG and TR are both petite (the combination of narrowness and small stature) so both can appear elongated in comparison to the pure Romantic. TR drama is expressed in sharpness in the bone structure (usually sharpness in face and shoulders is most apparent), but TR doesn’t have vertical and will have relatively compact limbs. SG’s yang can be expressed in sharp features as well although her yin/yang balance is quite different than TR, and her limbs can be more elongated. Let me know if that helped or if you have more questions 🥰
Soft dramatics have LUSH curves - fleshy, not „dry“ like the dramatic classics are better described by, while those can be quite fleshy und rounded in the lower bodyhalf, with every pound more so. The essence of the SD is much more bold and womenly, while the DC are more „cool“ or strong in an elegant „classy“ way.
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This has been the best explanation I've seen so far! Thanks for this video! I'm 52 years young and discovered the Kibbe and Kitchener worlds a few months ago. What I realized is how much I have been hiding my body in way too big clothing. It has to do with a distorted self-perception image which stems from my younger years of not having a curvy, attractive body type. I never had a blooming moment as a woman, and I still use the same bra size as I did in High School. I'm a 5'2" Soft Gamine with Gamine and Classical essences. I recently cut my hair in a pixie and wow, my Gamine was awakened!
PS. Sorry for the lengthy comment.
So glad you liked it, and so glad to hear you are embracing your body type and personal style! 🥰
this is probably the best kibbe body typing video I've seen
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So true! I finally understood which of my three choices was the right one.
SD here, hi! I fell down the Kibbe rabbit hole in my late twenties, but it was only recently that I realized I was Soft Dramatic. Dressing for vertical plus curve has been an unconscious go-to of mine for years--that alone should have told me I was barking up the wrong tree when I first assumed I was a Flamboyant Gamine. Great video!
So glad you liked it and have finally determined your body type!
@@alyssarudman It was a wild ride. After I realized I wasn't a gamine but some flavor of dramatic, I tried pinning photo after photo of stark architectural fashions only to have it dawn on me that that wasn't strictly accurate either. The final tipoff was my partner remarking that I reminded him more of Ava Gardner than Katharine Hepburn. All right, I thought, I'll take it.
The best kibbe explanation I have ever seen. I finally gave clarity. Thank you
That’s so good to hear! 🥰
You’re the only video I have found that explains this properly and it detail. Most videos: the bones will sharp or blunt…well, what the hell does that mean? Looks all the same to me!!! So thank you for explaining. I think I have a better idea of what I am leaning towards now. 🙌
I’m so glad you found it useful!
Excellent video! It took me a few years to find my Kibbe type (soft gamine) , but if I had seen this video first I would have known in a few minutes.
That is the biggest compliment! Thank you so much!
Love this video. I always felt so boring because I'm moderate looking in every way. I so wanted to be in the natural style family but, i just don't have those broad shoulders. The quizzes for kibbe are so unhelpful for me. Doing the line drawing and being totally open to anything showed me how balanced my body is. The body drawing and the process of elimination is how I landed on dramatic classic.
Every body type is beautiful! So glad you found yours!
What a great video! This is the first time I come close to understanding the kibbe body type (I didn’t even bother because it seemed so complicated). Now I’m between a soft natural and a soft classic but my shoulders are more symmetric with my hips and I’ve never had to accommodate the shoulders when I’m wearing the right size so I think I’m a soft classic. Thank you!
Wonderful!!
Not me, I’ve had to accommodate my shoulders. I guess that would make me one of the naturals 😊
Oh lady, i can't thank you enough for this video. This has cleared almost all of my confusion regarding kibbe body types. You're an angel. ❤
Can you also make a video on how to dress different body types in different settings like office, formal events, dates, etc.
This is the best, full and clear video about Kibby body type (and I’ve seen a lot). Bravo. 👌
Thank you.
That means so much, thank you!
Have watched so many videos and couldn't figure it out. I FINALLY figured it out. I'm a flamboyant gamine. Bravo! Thank you so much!
Yay!! 🥰
WOW thank you so much! It was so much easier to finally determine my body type! If only you had made this video years ago, it would have help me to save so much time and frustration😅😅
I’m so glad to hear you found it helpful! 🥰
Oh, I love this video. It’s giving me a lot of clarity, but I’m still stuck between soft, natural and soft Gamine. I would even go as far to say that my father is a Gamine and my mother might be a soft natural. I definitely feel like I’m towing the line between the two.
Sounds like you need to determine whether you have width or an overall more narrow frame and shoulder line. If SN and SG are truly the only possibilities, then having width would make you SN (and eliminate SG) 🥰
GIRL I LOVE YOU
I NEVER THOUGHT I WOULD BE ABLE TO FIND MY KIBBE BODY TYPE...
All yt videos and google researches ended up by confusing me even more!!
But watching your video was WONDERFUL: FINALLY I FOUNDED MY KIBBE BODY TYPE!!! I'M A SOFT DRAMATIC!!!
Your video was super easy to understand. I loved every second of it.
Girl, you're a blessing!!!
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So glad it helped!! 🥰🥰🥰
Thank you so much, this is so good. I am going to send this to all of my friends struggling with the Kibbe system after I've recommended them to look into it. Absolutely lovely!
That's so kind of you! I'm so glad you found it useful, and I hope your friends do too 🥰
This is the video that finally helped me identify my body type. Once I did, all the confusion was gone and everything made sense! Thank you Alyssa! ❤🙏
I’m so glad to hear that!!!
This explains everything so well thank you! I typed myself initially as tr then i thought maybe sg. But i was clearly sn i have to accommodate my shoulder/ upper arm area and curvy hips. I love being able to know my type and dress to accommodate my body
So glad it helped!!
Your video is so clear! I already know that I'm FN but your explanation is really great!
So glad you think so!! 🥰
Thanks for the amazing content, Alyssa
People in Brazil love this topic, please consider putting subtitles in portuguese in your videos. I'm sure you'll get many viewers
Best wishes ❤
I tried to create Portuguese subtitles, although I probably did a really bad job!
I appreciate this well organized video!! ❤ I wish I could post my picture here on RUclips like I do with Reddit lol, on Reddit kibbe type me, most people typed me SOFT DRAMATIC but someone pointed out how I don’t accommodate upper curve and now I’m confused. I’ve been dressing in soft dramatic lines too, idk if I’m soft dramatic with very small boobs or a DRAMATIC. The main shapes I see in my silhouette are long elongated ovals, and one of my boob is asymmetrical so it can be hard to tell for upper curve
Thanks a lot for making this video. You highlighted crucial differences, explained and displayed them an in clear way :D Was unsure for almos 1 year between D, SD and FN and finally realized I must be FN!
I'm so glad you found it helpful and found your body type!
Hi! This is an amazing video! I have an issue identifying my body type even though I've been researching this topic for years and created my siluete. I am 5.4 and I don't feel petit, but I need my clothes to fit tight in order not to overwhelm me. I would say it's because of my bust area that is too small when you compare it to my overall body and hips, but not too small in comparison with my waist. Also, my waist is tiny in comparison to my butt and lower hip area and shoulders. I have prominent shoulders, but I don't feel like I have to accommodate that in any way. It might be because my size is the smallest one for tops and bottoms, and in shoulders, it fits okay, but it's big around my bust (my breasts appear bigger only because of my small bust area, they are B/C cup). I have to accommodate curve for my lower part of the body. Bottoms are better if they are fitted around my waist and butt, but wider or flared. I am not overweight, and I have small head, feet, and hands. I have sharp bones and small wrists, and my bones are visible. I am curviy, but bony. I think I may be FG. If anyone could help, I would appreciate it so much!
I’d love to help you but I’d have to see your photos to really understand your shapes and proportions. You’re always welcome to DM me on Instagram @alyssarudman 🥰
After watching this video for the third time i finally found out that i am a Romantic type. Being a pear shape means a lot of advice / only advice about hiding or define your features, but what if you don't want to? What if you just want to be you? looking at myself as only a pearshape was one step to gain more body confidence and the kibbe bodytype was the next step to fully love my self. I have still moments when my insecurity takes control but it will be for a short moment. understandy my body inside and out means understanding myself. Thank you so much for this video.
Yes! No more hiding! Every body has its own unique strength and beauty 🥰
The best video on body types ive seen 😍
That means so much! So glad you liked it 🥰
Lol. I am an alien
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So we at least know your essence is ethereal! 🤣
@@Kris7245
Maybe 😅
Great video , Alyssa. Thank you
Thank you!
Finally I have confirmation! I’ve watched countless videos explaining it but now I know for certain that I’m a soft classic. I’m 5’2, so I wasn’t sure if I was soft gamine, but my bones are definitely not narrow. I gave up looking into it because it seemed no one could agree on certain people’s bodies.
Yay! Im so glad this helped! 🥰
I am struggling with the same problem! 5’1 and the only thing I see is a slight curve! Soft gamine was my first guess, but the lines were super weird on me! Felt like too much, even cloudish! Then I tried some TR lines and it still felt like too much , romantic lines look ok, but the over soft as in ruffles and sparkle seems to be too much! Soft classic lines looks realy good! But I am obviously short, so that what I would like some help. Can a super short woman be balanced????
@@mariabeatrizfaria897 yep totally
Yes!! Me too!! Well, I actually keep going back and forth between soft classic or a dramatic classic. It’s so complex and overwhelming.
Such a great precise explanation of the types and differences! I used to wonder why on earth I looked so boring and plain in more laid back classic clothing choices…flamgam & boy do I need some vivid contrast & textures to look awake. 😂 I look hidden or dragged down by a lot of those classic clothing pieces (solid button downs). They need some layering & pattern mixing to accomplish that crisp, clean, fun & polished effect. It always feels like it’s going to be a bit too much but nope! Lol
I bet your style is amazing, I would love to see it! 🥰
After so many researchs I've found it😍 I'm flamboyant natural
Congrats!!
I've always been waiting for an explanation on kibbe types like this
I really hope it was helpful!!
Eccellente spiegazione, più utile di tanti test. Grazie per aver condiviso questi contenuti!
Grazie!! 🥰
This was great! I did the line drawing. One of the most noticeable things is that I have a broad chest and large rib-cage. Not very much waist definition. My shoulders just a little wider than my hips, but pretty balanced. Long legs/arms. Pretty sure I'm soft natural (with a fairly classic face as you mentioned can go with that.) Can I rule out soft classic because of my upper body width? 5'6"
It's difficult to say without being able to look at you, but I would consider the possibility of FN. It sounds like you may have vertical rather than curve, but again it's difficult to tell without seeing your photo 🥰
@@alyssarudman I’ll look a closer look at FN too then! Overall I look yin (ingenue facial qualities) but for sure I have some yang to my bones! I had a DEXA body composition scan last year and it was really cool to see my skeleton vs flesh. Def blunt shoulders and long limbs.
Thank you for this, it's clarified so much. Could I propose one video suggestion? True/Cool Winter capsule wardrobe but for Romantic. I find this to be a bit hard to manage given Romantic detailing can be hard to find in darker colors. I loved your recent SD Winter coloring capsule so much because of this, I realized what I loved about it was the color palette. Please and thank you!
Just added to my list! I know you found my other Romantic + Winter video but I may be able to create another one in the future specifically for True/Cool Winter 🥰
Have you tried looking at goth clothing ?
@ensulalachance8353 I will look into it. I feel it could be a bit too much maybe for every day. Maybe. Hmmm...you kinda gave me an idea actually. With the Gothic I thought "lace", "glam" and Madonna. Especially her "Papa Don't Preach" bratty look. It looks liveable and casual enough for me to wear on the move but still feminine and a bit sexy thay I don't feel "blah". Just enough softness to look normal but in the every day silhouette used now of some kind of pants and shirts. I like it. Do you have any recommendations for specific stores or brands that you might be familiar with? NGL when I thought Goth I also got reminded of that brief "Scene" meets "Emo" thing in the late 2000s. I loved it but the haggard and grungy looking dry material Goth look is not my thing. Corsets I can do and wear from time to time but uhm, it's not often appropriate for everyday especially as I get older. I still have the figure but sometimes being too sexy can feel cheap. Why is marrying style with comfort and life so hard! 😫 I also tilt "glamourous", I like to wear bold lips, big hair, and do the Femme Fatale thing as I look and feel natural in that but I want to be even more comfortable now. Madonna gone Italian/"Papa Don't Preach" is gonna be my reiterating of "Goth" lmao. Thank you friend!
@alyssarudman Thank you my friend! Much, much appreciated! ❤️
Would love to learn more differences between a theratrical romantic vs soft dramatic!
I've been working on a series of Shorts comparing the body types, so I'll be sure to prioritize TR vs SD soon!
Huh. So I am def a natural type. Prob a soft natural, i kept thinking I was a DC. But I always have to make sure my shoulders fit into whatever I am trying on.
This is the video the entire Kibbe community has been waiting for! Wow, this is wonderful lol.
I’m so glad you think so!
Very clear and helpful. Thank you for creating this content!!!
Thanks you! It confirmed my body type!
So glad it helped!
I had a suspicion I was a flamboyant gamine, but I was confused because I am a bit on the busty side. I asked my mom to describe my body type for me and she told me I looked like a short beanpole, so I guess that confirms it. 😂 This was a great way to explain the body types, especially for beginners that get confused, some of the terms Kibbe uses can get a bit complicated.
I keep thinking I might be FG but I have short torso really. Which of course makes my arms and legs look longer!
I love that a sort beanpole!
Oh, I think you just solved my issues with typing myself. I've always been told I cant be petite, because my head isn't big for my body, so I therefore couldn't be a gamine. I often get typed in the natural family due to sharp shoulders, but have never had issues in fitting my shoulders in clothes. But judging on what you've just said I might actually be a FG. Slight elongation due to my vertical line, but still petite due to the narrowness and delicateness of my bones and the sharper shoulder area. I''ll have to experiment with this type now. . .
Based on everything you said, I think you’re probably right! Sharp shoulders are definitely more of an FG trait than a Natural trait. Let me know how your experimentation goes!! 🥰
@@alyssarudman I will! I do have a short torso though, which makes my legs seem long. Does this rule out FG?
@@Jadeofthenorth Definitely not! Long legs / short torso is a very common trait for FG.
SO INCREDIBLY HELPFUL!
So glad to hear that! 🥰
Thanks so much for clarifying a lot of the kibbe concepts. I do have some additional questions, if you don't mind. When creating this line drawing, I saw lots of ovals in my body shape, one larger oval on the bottom and one slightly smaller on top. When you mention ovals in your video, what do ovals mean as far as body typing? Do ovals correlate with any specific kibbe body type? Also, for the outline of your head, do you include your ears/hair within the outline or just the face?
Being 5'5.5", I've struggled to figure out what kibbe type I am. My face outline measurement to the floor is 7.5 heads,, so I don't know if I have a short vertical accommodation. I've always been curvaceous and soft, with very slightly narrower shoulders than my hips, but I am taller than TR & R, so I'm leaning towards SC. Maybe learning what oval shapes signify will help with body typing. Thank you again for sharing, it's exciting and fun trying to figure all this out!
Ovals tend to indicate elongation, but without seeing your photo and line drawing it’s very difficult to help you determine your body type. When outlining your head, try to trace the shape of the head itself rather than face or hair. The best way I can describe this is to trace your head as if you didn’t have any hair. So the top of your head is likely above your hairline but below the top of your actual hair 🥰
@@alyssarudman Thanks for the response, Alyssa! Now it's 7.25 heads to the floor for me, but I probably have vertical accommodation with the length in my torso but short arms and legs. I look terrible in all things that don't accommodate for curves, so from this video, I'm leaning even more towards Soft Classic. What is kibbe for soft, curvy, with slight elongation who looks terrible in heavy clothing and geometrics?
The next time I have extra cash, I'll have to book a session with you to finally figure this out and get my color season done! 💗PS I really love how you mentioned that Kibbe body typing is a way to dress for your body and not to force yourself into any specific body shape. It's why I like learning about Kibbe so much, it focuses on what works for your body no matter the size
This was SO helpful! What would you say are the tie breakers between soft neutral and soft gamine? I believe I’m one of these two but not sure which!
The biggest difference between the two is width vs narrowness. Soft Gamine is petite, which is the combination of narrowness and short stature, so the Soft Gamine is narrow overall. Soft Natural has width (primarily across the shoulders or chest), and therefore is not narrow. I will have a Short coming out on this at some point!
This is the best job it explanation I’ve seen so far 🎉
So glad you think so!! 🥰
Excellent breakdown! Brought so much clarity. Well done.
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Wow this might be the best video on body typing I've seen 🎉 thank you
Thank you! I really hope it helped!
I would love it if you did a similar video for the male body types. There is so little Kibbe content out there for men. I think it would get a lot of views from men who have searched in vain for this information on RUclips.
I am so excited about this series and have signed up for your course. I have been typed a FN, but I struggle with feeling like I need to accomadate curve. Is it possible accomadate vertical + curve + width?
When you say you need to accommodate curve, what do you mean? What struggles are you encountering?
I feel like straighter/oversized lines quickly overwhelm my frame
Me too, I am a soft dramatic but the top is closer to romantic while the bottom is closer to soft natural. I have a vertical, curve (inc infamous double curve, even though I am not romantic); I also have width in the lower part of my body. At a lower weight, I have the waspish waist of the theatrical romantic. @@alyssarudman
Yes and if the clothes dont have give in them body-con dresses wont fit over the curves or the width. @@desireemensah
@@desireemensah if you are FN, perhaps your personal preference is guiding you away from oversized silhouettes and towards those with more emphasis on curve, and that’s totally okay! In my experience, I’ve never encountered someone who has more than two dominant features though, so it’s likely that either vertical, curve, or width can be deprioritized in your body analysis. Which two features do you feel are most dominant?
Thank you - so good💞
So glad you liked it!
Great video, I love you calm voice! Can gamine also appear taller than they really are? I have small head and long legs and arms with short torso, I'm 163 cm but people think I am at least 10 cm taller. Rest of my body is more soft gamine like. I am not dramatic for sure, but maybe dramatic classic, my face is classic and a little bit ingenue
It’s difficult to say without seeing you, but gamines typically don’t appear tall (or taller than they are). I’d be happy to help you out if you need a second opinion on your photo 🥰
BEST. KIBBE. VIDEO. EVER.
Thank you so much! ✨
So glad you think so!!
I am still stuck inbetween soft classic and dramatic classic. I think circles fit to my shoulders. In torso i see more of trapezium towards waist. In hips - not sure. I would say that curves start below the hips (under underwear line). I am lost 😂
I'd be happy to help! Feel free to DM me on Instagram @alyssarudman 🥰
This is a good video.
So glad you think so!
Can you explain how to know if you have to accommodate width? My shoulders are slightly wider than my hips, I see mostly trapezoids shapes with round corners but can't still decide between SG and SN. I'm 5'2", short vertical line.
Do you need things to accommodate petite? Do you need clothes close to the body, preferably showing ankles or wrists? Soft Gamine can get by with a lot more sharpness than SN as well. How do you handle a traditionally fitted blazer?
Amazing video🎉🎉🎉
I just read your blog & I had to click on the video posted there just to comment and tell you how much I appreciate your time and your thorough explanation of all the types and how you found a way to simplify an otherwise very complicated process. My frustrations were ever growing as all u wanted was to figure out my body type and finally thankz to you im 111% sure of what that type is!! Thank you so much truly your knowledge on the topic is invaluable. 🙏🙏🙏🙏💖💖💖💖💖💖💖💖💖💖💖🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥😭😭😍😍
I’m so glad you found it useful!! Congrats on finding your type!
Soft dramatic, dramatic classic and flamboyant natural. How to differentiate
I’ll work on making some Shorts about these comparisons! 🥰
@@alyssarudman thanks so much
Thank you so much!!! Now i can finally say that im a flamboyant gamine! 💗
Woo!!
commenting to come back later when i have time for that photo thing ^^
So my shoulders and hips are the exact same width and I'm elongated (8 head lenghts), but my drawing look too wide for the dramatic types even thought I'm slim by size of clothing. I guess I'm too tall for classic (5"8). So confused😢
I can help! You can DM me your photo and drawing on Instagram @alyssarudman 🥰
@@alyssarudman oh, thank you so much! That would be great😍 I just sent you a DM
@@asunaYuuki91 Got it! Glad I could help!
Wow, this sounds almost exactly like me. 😄 (Except I'm 5'7" and I'm not sure how many heads tall I am.) I'm driving myself (and my family members) a little crazy trying to figure out my type.
Amazing video, thank you!
So glad you think so!!
This video is made perfectly 😊, you made it so clear ❤ . I still don’t know what type I am though 😂 , I’m not sure what my dominant features are . I have a short vertical line, width , I think mostly sharp bones , yin flesh , small hands and feet , romantic essence ❤, I think I have double curve, and sharp shoulders.
I'm always happy to help! Shoot me a DM on Instagram @alyssarudman 🥰
SN versus R please.
The biggest difference between SN and R is that SN is frame-dominant and R is curve-dominant. Romantics’ features will be made up of almost circular shapes while Soft Naturals’ features will be bluntly angular (softly squared). SN will also have more width and strength in their shoulders (their shoulders add structure to the clothing they wear) while the R will have more rounded or sloped shoulders. Romantics have double-curve and Soft Naturals do not. I hope that’s helpful!
I am five feet four and small boned. Though I have gained a lot of weight. My face is a square shape. I don't have a lot of natural muscle. My eyes are almond shaped with a square shaped face but not one of those square faces with sharp angles. My nose is kind of wide but not super wide. My lips don't have much width but they are neither thin no large as far as fleshiness.
I’d love to help but I would need to see your photo to really understand your shapes and proportions 🥰 you are always welcome to DM me on Instagram @alyssarudman
Well, this video brought me much closer to detecting my body type. Anyway, I am still struggling (which might be dependent on having gained weight by a disease). I am not petite, but I am not tall, either (5'4"). But in comparison to my height, I have very long legs and a short torso. I usually buy jeans 32 inches long, my inner leg length is 79 cm. I've got a big bust. After the breakout of lipedema, everything on my body softened, in particular, my hips widened a lot. But I always had a clearly defined waist whether I wore S or now XL, my waist-hip ratio was always something around 0,7. Therefore I always struggled with the waist of trousers: Most times the pants fit on the hips, but the waistline is way too wide. I can see a double circle if I only look at my chest and hips, but between my waist and knees, there is definitely an elongated oval. I cannot wear rounded necklines at all, they look horrible on me. That applies to all boxy shapes, too, but also to everything playful like ruffles or romantic patterns. I look best in clear, narrow (not tight) lines and solid colors, stripes, checks, and geometrical prints, but horrible in polka dots. I tend to think I might be a dramatic classic, but I really have no clue. 🤔🤔😂😂
I would love to help but I would need to see a photo of you. If you DM me on Instagram @alyssarudman I can give you a discount code for my color & body typing service 🥰
@@alyssarudman thank you. Is it the same account name? Despite that could you make a video, please, where you go into further detail how to discern between all those descriptions like "petite",' "elongated" and so on? For example Keira Kneightley is not small, but I'd see her bone structure as petit. I struggle to see a difference at all if someone is really skinny (it looks all the same =bony to me then) or of someone is of more weight (it looks fleshy to me then). Maybe I struggle with that because English isn't my mother tongue, but I am for sure not the only one who could need some help here. Accirding to another channel I would be a "theatrical romantic" or a "dramatic classic". You don't talk about theatrical at all as far as I remember. The more I watch the more I get confused.😃
@@summersun6536 Sure I can definitely create more content around that! I am planning to do Shorts for many of the body type comparisons as well. And yes, my Instagram account is @alyssarudman as well 🥰
Based on the accommodations I should be a Romantic - I have a pear shape, a very big difference between waist and hips, shoulders almost the same as hips, but I never have to accommodate them, only the waist-hips ratio. In the Kibbe test I got predominantly E and D answers, but Cs in the face section. But I'm 173cm (5'7"), and other sources say that it's "too high for a romantic", plus my facial features are much more moderate than the romantic ones - I don't have "doe-like eyes" or "lush lips". Can you help me narrow down on what else I should focus on? I thought maybe soft classic or soft natural, but the curve is really the main accommodation I have. Thanks! 🙏🙏🙏
Maybe Soft Classic, definitely not Soft Natural if you don’t have to accommodate width in your shoulders 🥰 I can’t be sure without seeing you though! Technically Soft Dramatic could also be possible.
@@alyssarudman Thank you, I'll look into these two a bit more 🥰
So for jackets, I always feel like my usual clothing size is too tight on my shoulders, so I have to size up. But then the jacket is kind of loose everywhere else. Is that indicative of needing width accommodation? Or maybe it's just a jacket thing? It's not as noticeable with shirts, but sometimes I struggle to get things over my shoulders when trying on if it's not a loose fit.
It could be, especially if you are confident in the quality of the sizing and cuts of the jackets you are trying. Sometimes fast fashion brands cut corners and make things smaller/ill fitting to save money, which can result in a poor fit on almost anyone. But if you are trying mid-to-high-end brands in your true size and are consistently having issues with fit in the shoulders, then that may be an indicator of width. I have that exact problem, and I am FN.
I’m a flamboyant natural but I feel quite short, since my head is very wide but i’m exactly 8 heads tall… so technically I have a long vertical line
Idk it seems strange
Do you feel you do not actually have a long vertical line? The head measuring trick is just one way to help determine your vertical line but it’s not a strict rule. In the end, it’s all about your overall proportions 🥰
If you are petite but have an extremely defined waist can you be a soft gamine? I have a very small waist but also I think my shoulders show width so I dont think I can be theatrical romantic. People always comment on my petiteness first as my bone structure is very tiny but I seem much more curved than the soft gamine describes? I really can't work out my type 😭
Yes, it’s possible!
My sketch shows I'm 6.5 heads tall, but I'm 5 foot 7 inches tall so now I'm confused.
You probably have a moderate vertical line, which is totally possible for someone 5’7”. But if you want some confirmation, you can always DM me on Instagram @alyssarudman 🥰
How to tell if I’m a curvier soft classic or a romantic? I feel I’m rounder/softer than the celeb examples of soft classic but I don’t suit the ornate styles often suggested for romantics. All I know is I am very yin 😂
I can’t be sure of your body type without seeing you, but maybe you are romantic and you just don’t identify with the styles that are typically associated with romantics. That’s why I don’t recommend Kibbe’s Image ID system and I prefer to solely focus on understanding the body’s shapes and lines. You don’t have to wear ornate styles as a romantic!
You can be SD and have no defined waist. Kibbe's book describes SD waist as moderate, which can become thick. They just have upper curve so the breast area is defined in the silhouette. I'm a waistless SD too ;)
That’s true!
Is it possible that soft classic have bird like hand as theatrical romantic have!!
I mean, i can see symmetry in maximum features of mine, but this one make me confuse,
I have short mid-section body type, upper halves and lower halves have same distribution..
Yes it’s possible. One feature alone won’t upset your overall yin/yang balance. Try to look at the full picture rather than specific individual features 🥰
@@alyssarudman thank you so much for your reply..👍🙂
What if I have youthful features like flamboyant gamine (but not sharp) but my height is of a dramatic classic?
I would have to see your photos to be able to help you determine your type, but I can say that your body shape and bone structure are what determine your body type and should be weighted more heavily than your facial features. Facial features can sometimes contain clues to our body type (since our facial features are also impacted by our flesh and bone structure) but facial features alone won’t override your body type. If you want some help you’re welcome to DM me on Instagram @alyssarudman
* sorry have clarity
Soft dramatic or dramatic classic? How to tell.
I’ve been creating a series of shorts comparing the body types, and I will definitely add this one to the top of my list!
I’m confused on whether I have petite or not.
You’re not the only one! A lot of people struggle with this. I’m happy to help if you’d like to DM me on Instagram @alyssarudman 🥰
Can I be Soft Natural at 1.78m? I feel that I look my height but not taller.
If you look your height, you likely have dominant vertical. However I would have to see you to be sure!
I have zero idea what I am. Hour glass but short. Mixed face features. Broad and strong.
So a muscular hourglass that’s short and not really soft.
I am too curvy for soft natural, too much width for soft gamine. No others come close.
All clothes look decent except clothes that make the lower half look bigger.
Have spent last 12hrs not being able to figure it out.
I’d be happy to help! Shoot me a DM on Instagram @alyssarudman 🥰
I still don't know if I'm D or SD. I have sharp shoulders and a medium bust, not round/full. I have a very defined waist and big round hips and butt like an SD, but my face is very purely D. I feel like I'm stuck in between the two :O and neither clothing recommendations suits me, I feel like a non existent mix.
nice video 🎉
Can I be a dramatic if I am 160cm but have elongated arms, torso, and am narrow?
It’s possible! There’s no lower height limit for Dramatic 🥰
@@alyssarudman thank you!
How to determine when you are on your transformation journey and therefore bulking and cutting ?
Bulking or cutting (gaining or losing weight or muscle) won’t change your yin/yang body type. Genetically your bone structure and fat distribution doesn’t change even if you lose weight or build muscle. I find that the bone structure is most important when it comes to your yin/yang body type
Thank you for replying@@alyssarudman . I find it really hard sometimes to understand the kibbe type but your video is by far the most easy to understand 💕💕
I am a very skinny person, this is overwhelming even with all the videos, i thought I was theoretical romantic cause i related to everything but height and double curve. Even when I add weight its in my face, inner arms and thighs. I'm a little top heavy. Thats it. Im confused. Help
I feel like I am really straight with no curves and I'm slim with chubby cheeks and big eyes, full lips and a round nose. My body is an inverted triangle and I'm really slim. But I have baby face and my friends make fun of my cheeks. I thought it was water weight cause I'm slim with round cheeks because last year I my dad showed my photos to some family members they had all assumed I was fat because of my cheeks because the photo was face photo. I have feminine face and masculine body, I don't have curve. I'm straight. Pls help. How do I dress up. I just wear jeans everyday!!!!!
@@RellaFaith I'd love to help! You can always DM me on Instagram @alyssarudman 🥰
first video ive seen of this. if im 5 ft 3, curvy pear shape but broad shoulders then would i be a romantic double curve?
The fruit system doesn’t apply here, but I’m happy to help if you DM me a photo on Instagram @alyssarudman 🥰
Sketch app recommendation?
I often use the image viewer/editor on my Mac which has a trace tool, but I also enjoy Procreate and Freeform 🥰
How is slightly wider shoulds and hips making someone not petite?
Width is always relative within an individual’s unique proportions, so I don’t know exactly what you are picturing when you say “slightly wider” shoulders or hips. But petite is defined as the combination of narrowness and short stature. This doesn’t mean that one must be extremely narrow to be petite, but if one of their dominant descriptors is width, then they cannot also be petite. Dominant width eliminates the possibility of dominant petite. They are mutually exclusive. Also, one can have a short vertical line without necessarily being petite (this appears quite often in Soft Naturals, who have width and can have a moderate-to-short vertical line). Did that help?
I still don’t know if I’m soft gamine or romantic
@@ht8038 I’d be happy to help!
Я застряла между soft natural и romantic. Думаю, что скорее второе
Looks like I’m theatrical romantic
What about FG vs DC?
I will create a Short about this! 🥰
Not always true for FG to have petite as in narrowness have a look at liza minnelli
I personally do see petite and narrowness in Liza. I can see what you are getting at, especially in more recent photos and some where her shoulders are emphasized by her clothing. But petite is dictated by the bone structure not so much the flesh. Her bones are quite narrow and if you look at younger photos of her wearing fitted clothing, her shoulders are quite narrow. I’m curious to hear your thoughts!
@alyssarudman kibbe says petite means short bones. That is why he says R is petite. I was surprised you didn't say R is petite because it is very emphasized by kibbe that R is petite.
As for me I am struggling so much to see myself objectively. But I narrowed it to TR or SG maybe even pure R. But in some photos i look very tiny petite other photos I look gigantic like an SD you would think I am 5"7 but i am only 5'2. So I am confused tbh
@@ssam1820 I’d be happy to help out! If you would like to shoot me a photo I can talk through my thought process with you. Feel free to send me a DM on Instagram @alyssarudman 🥰
@alyssarudman thank u , will do now
@@alyssarudman i sent a message it went to request
not vertical
somewhat soft dramatic
flamboyant natural : shoulders much wider than hips angular,
soft natural : X
Dramatic classic yes
gamine : petite means narrow
This was a great video, but I have a question between the soft gamine and theatrical romantic… I thought it was the theatrical romantic that had that underlying vertical due to the dramatic undercurrent in their romantic shape.
SG and TR are both petite (the combination of narrowness and small stature) so both can appear elongated in comparison to the pure Romantic. TR drama is expressed in sharpness in the bone structure (usually sharpness in face and shoulders is most apparent), but TR doesn’t have vertical and will have relatively compact limbs. SG’s yang can be expressed in sharp features as well although her yin/yang balance is quite different than TR, and her limbs can be more elongated. Let me know if that helped or if you have more questions 🥰
Soct dramatic and dramatic classic, how to differentiate
Soft dramatics have LUSH curves - fleshy, not „dry“ like the dramatic classics are better described by, while those can be quite fleshy und rounded in the lower bodyhalf, with every pound more so.
The essence of the SD is much more bold and womenly, while the DC are more „cool“ or strong in an elegant „classy“ way.
I will create a Short about this! 🥰
I’m more confused than ever, sigh.
Is there any way I can help?
SG can have double curve too
It's not that rare
and shorter limbs
you can actually accommodate petite and be a Romantic, so there's a bit of misinformation here.
It’s possible, but rare. The romantic type is typically more proportionally wide which eliminates petite because petite requires narrowness.
Translation of “petite” in French is simply “small.” So wouldn’t medium or average height defy that description?
Hmmm… I’ve heard a different way of describing romantics than you do.