Dune: Part Two REVIEW - A Treasure in the TRASH
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- Опубликовано: 28 фев 2024
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The depiction of Geidi Prime was a monumental triumph of cinematography. The greyscale was otherworldly, spooky and alien, saved massively on set design costs, and adeptly sent the message that Harkonnen culture is rigidly black and white
A tribute to Jodowskys dune
Cool, so why don't Jessica and Paul look like that
@@ArrakisHeir88 I know it's something that Villeneuve added but Harkonnens only look like that when out in the strange sunlight of Giedi Prime. Once they are indoors they look more normal (other than the shaving their hair and eyebrows which is also a Villeneuve thing). And characters like Beast Rabban who have been on Arrakis for a while in the second film have a slightly more tanned complexion in the second film compared to in the first film.
I personally don't like this depiction of what the Harkkones look like. In the book they are described as grotesque looking and nasty. Here they seem way to clean
@@BVargas78 so it's literally a contrivance
Zendaya is extremely overrated.
By who? I'm not sure anyone actually rates her...nevermind overrating her! 😂
She's a fad imo.
saying that Zendaya is overrated is overrated, nice try tho
BASED! Really hated her ever since Spider-man homecoming.
I doubt that softcore p tennis movie she's in will do well at the box office either.
The visuals in this movie are so natural you don't even think your looking at cgi but rather something alien that was photographed on camera and that's how cgi should look in live action and not like a cartoon.
*sighs* what are you talking about. Have you seen actual practical effects works like Mad Max Fury Road or Top Gun Maverick? My eyes glazed over half the time coz it's just so CGI
@tarutso sighs. What are you talking about? I'm talking about cgi, NOT practical effects. I know practical is always best, but when cgi is done right, it looks just as good.
@@handsomeDRAC I donno what u talking about. The CGI looks CGI. The bits that aren’t CGI look great like those floating dudes near the beginning. Now if those are CGI then I agree w u lol
@@tarutso yes
You do realise that the majority of sets, clothing, VFX, supporting characters are all CGI right? Like the actors are literally in a small room surrounded by large green walls majority of the time. The best example I can give is the New York set in Avengers, that entire city was CGI and only enhances the scenes.@@tarutso
"An alien woman in an alien world - she just comes off as Californian."
Sounds like she nailed it.
🤣🤣🤣
Damn you I was typing the same observation when I saw your post.
She and chalamet sound like they’re doing a play in high school. I haven’t seen an honest review on this film. Only one who did was razor fist on the first one. Everyone else is a shill from the sound of it.
@@strtupg people are entranced by the beautiful cinematography
yes, “woman” 🤣
You have to respect Austin Butler for having the balls to take up Sting's codpiece as Feyd-Rautha.
Figuratively and literally
I love how he altered his voice to resemble Stellans as if it were an accent related to his family line. He’s a good actor.
He took balls deep literal hahahahaha
I love that..... Outstanding
He was the only decent aspect of the film.
Only 190 mill??? Bro, some garbage movies have higher budgets. Good management there.
Yeah, like the previous MCU movies and tv shows. Not to mention ROP that has millions per episode, but still sucked.
2049 didn't suck
It looked great, but the story sucked! The typical Denis film. All his films look amazing, but suck when it comes to characters and story. No emotional connections, very scientific. All his films have a low re-watch score.
It did.
@@rickdeckardbladerunner2049 To each their own, but I find 2049 to be one of the most rewatchable films out there. It's just very satisfying and moody, a good choice for a film for a crappy rainy saturday night
@@rickdeckardbladerunner2049that seems to be your problem rather than the movie's. I sailed through that movie in no time.
I loved 2049
Zendaya plays Zendaya just like Michelle Rodriguez always plays Michelle Rodriguez.
Most actors play the same type of character in everything. Thats why actors like Leo or Denzel are such legends.
Just like Ryan Ren
and jason statham always playing jason statham
@@jackpackage4278 But these sort of actors belong in B and C grade fluff movies not something like Dune. I’ve seen Zendaya in Euphoria and Spiderman and she’s just not convincing in her roles.
Brie always plays Brie
It's not a sequel. It's 2nd part of the movie as there was no sense to squize the whole book into 1 movie.
they need three, but nobody every would give Denis the money for that.
@@yahya_elistinsary Wrong, he is already working on Dune : Messiah for a release in 2027.
@@BodyBeats242Wrong. That's a different novel jfc
But what actually happened in Part 1 of substance that required a Part 2? The entire movie was emotionless, soulless and boring. Part 2 might pick it up, but it felt like I was watching a filer episode where the most interesting character was the gardener.
@@scotttimbrell8632Most of Part 2 is straight up padding.
Zendaya's only expression the whole movie was a "girlfriend-mad-at-you-about-something" face.
An accurate portrayal of what a girlfriend normally looks like.
Not easy for someone born male to pull off.
@@andycamp4890 real girlfriends don't look like that. they have much more versatile expressions than Zendaya in the movie.
The was a very funny jealousy mechanic in Dune2 between the love (Chani) and the Mother (Jessica) competing for Paul. This was true hate & rivalry under the guise of fighting for their idealogies (Fremen patriotism vs. Bene Gesserit power/religion).
Zendaya is cringe 😒
LMAO. This comment had me weeping with laughter. Thank you !
Denis Villeneuve is already working on a third Dune movie, which is about adapting the novel Dune Messiah. It should come out around 2027. Warner is obviously creating a big blockbuster Sci-Fi franchise of it's own with Dune, and if the movies keeps getting better, then they are sitting on a pot of gold.
Dune Messiah was a failure of a book compared to Dune the original book. It is the deconstruction of Paul the hero and very political and boring. Very little action. So, if you're into tragedy films, this will take the cake. If this is Dune part 3 I will pass. With Chani riding off at the end, it sure looks like it is setting up for that. She sole his thunder and for that, I will never watch part 2 again. We men don't like this trend in films. Sorry girly men and manly women.
Villeneuve said it will come out in 10 years. He is making other movies, before that.
the fuck you talking about@@rickdeckardbladerunner2049
@@rickdeckardbladerunner2049 Quit whining. The MALE director called that. JFC, many of you dudes whine more than women.
Damn, so we are going to get franchise like star wars & lotr.. I wish they'd stop
Big things missing from the books: Paul and Chani lose a child to an assassination attempt by one of the Houses/noble families. Paul's three year old sister is considered as an abomination - as is Paul. The movies completely did away with the 'weirding way' too. However, none of these mattered as much as the wooden acting from Zendaya :(.
And they rid everything relating to mentats, people who were engineered/trained to be human supercomputers. Dude to the imperial law banning machines made in the image of man. Presumably due to near apocalyptic consequences in the past. To me it seems like producers were scared to take a stab at AI which are at the center of many multi billion dollar industries today.
Paul being an abomination is in the movie the reverend mother calls him an abomination at the end of the movie after he uses the voice on her she says it kind of quietly but she audibly calls him “abomination”
@@cha0tix46 I think that was a nod to Alia, and also the fact that he's a male using the Voice, something only women are taught.
I have to agree on these points. The weirding way missing was a disappointment but it also made the 80’s film a cheese fest.
Zendaya was fine in this film, didn't think her acting was bad at all. This is coming from someone who isn't even a fan of Zendaya just giving credit to a decent performance.
Not a false prophesy, but it wasnt supposed to be Paul that was to fulfill it. The breeding program the witches had in place was thrown off when Jessica had a boy to please duke leto.
Don’t see how their “breeding program” would work though, they wanted to mix all the peoples bloodlines so humanity wouldn’t stagnate but the final would be harkonen (Rebecca), atreides (Paul but a girl), harkonen (fade)again making a significantly inbred child to be the kwizats haderac.
@@scott8448Thats because the gene sequences and gene lines mix, not two people, not even two people who are having sex. You are not a direct copy of your mom and dad genes, half - half like. Bene Gesserit dont bread people together, they wave gene lines, on a much finer scale.
Who is Rebecca? :D XD
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Jessica is only half Harkonen but she is also not a copy of somebody. That also means Paul is quarter Harkonen. At best. Not completely, like movie overacts it.
it is a false prophesy, it was planted there...the fact that Paul had a penis means nothing, the prophesy was just meant as a means of control
@@user-op7ib4ye6vif memory serves correctly, the popular theory was that Jessica Atreides was the daughter of Helen Gaius Mohiam and Vladimir Harkonnen. Baron Vladimir was actually homosexual.
@@user-op7ib4ye6v We don't know if she's only half. All we know about is who her father is, never talk about who her mother was.
Movies aren't going to get better for years.. because all the trash they green lit are coming up.
yep sequels more sequels more superhero BS. So when something original comes along your happy to see it.
2023 had some really great films, especially for horror fans. stop looking for capeshit
Not to mention it's an industry that's run by activists that don't care about the industry's health and sustainability, headed by executives more concerned with saving face.
100 yrs of cinema. Can always find gold in the vault.
@@Agaetis181 Not looking for capeshit at all sick of seeing capeshit movies advertising promoted and on so many more screens rather than quality films. I did see Oppenheimer, The Holdovers, and American Fiction which were all pretty decent really enjoyed Grand Turismo and AIR. Which horror films did you see that you would recommend? My son keeps bugging me about "5 Nights at Freddy's. Outside of Dune 2 I didn't see a lot of the 2024 slate that I really wanted to see in the theater
No idea how Zendaya gets such big roles and is pushed so hard front and center. She either looks like a bum & acts like she doesn’t want to be on set or has 1 or 2 facial expressions. That’s it.
I think this is super important her role is a 180 from the original movie so I hoped she would be a good actress (she wasnt)
I've heard it had more to do with casting couch auditions than any acting talent.
And from EVERYTHING I've seen her in so far, that tracks.
Only bad part of Dune 2 was zendaya. She isnt a good actress. Everything else. Was god dam amazing.
Fun Fact: When Jodorowsky assayed to mount a production of Dune in the mid 70's, he had hired H.R. Giger to design the Harkonnen and their home world.
Appropriately.
Another fun fact is that some of Giger's designs for Dune got recycled in Prometheus, or as it's known in my house ''the film that shall not be named'' or ''the P-word film'' . The wife is a big Alien fan and hates it.
@@knightsofrreee7961She's right.
Been meaning to watch that documentary. Would love to have seen his vision realized.
@@knightsofrreee7961 haha, I can definitely understand that.
A great movie treated like a masterpiece because people are so beaten down by garbage.
Also there is no woke agenda in it or lgbt trash which makes it good
that about sums it up
I honestly think it could be the greatest film ever made. I don’t say that lightly.
The water discipline and the still suits are appalling as a lover of the book I have no intention of seeing this because it would grate. I also have to say Gary's summation was atrocious 🙂
When Jurassic Park came out, it was considered just a great movie. What's the difference between it and a 'great' movie coming out today? 30 years of nostalgia.
The only complain I have for this movie is that we didn't get more Feyd-Rautha scenes. I really love how Villeneuve portrayed Feyd in his films. He really showed why Feyd was Paul's greatest rival in the movie. This version of Feyd is more powerful because he actually is a very capable warrior unlike the book and previous adaptation versions who likes to use trickery to win his fights. Austin Butler's version of Feyd also has none of the reckless and impulsive nature of the book version. He never tried to assasinate his uncle like the book version.
He did say, "I should". Surely, time was an issue.
No, Austin's Feyd was impulsive too. He casually slit that one advisor's throat so his cannibal girl "darlings" would have a snack on the trip.
I havent recognized any of the characters in the movie
A good review Nerdrotic. Zenia's Chani was much too Californian, Christopher Walken looked like a dementia patient complete with absorbent bib and the sets for the Imperial home world were completely uninspired (like a modern, upmarket apartment complex). Still, a very good movie.
I think the sound design in this movie is among the best I've heard in a long time. Truly a movie that needs to be experienced in theaters.
yep sound indeed i agree
Watch zone of interest then tell me that but this movie is 2nd best
But Hans Zimmer is a dirty socialist. How can you like his vision?
I brought high definition earplugs and im so glad i did. Without them in I would have had hearing loss. I loved how it sounded but don’t get why it has to be so loud.
Yeah I’m going back for a second viewing
So this is what willy wonka was doing while his factory was shut down.
*Breaking News :* Due to a sudden decrease in sales, Willy Wonka shuts his factory down and switches to a more aggressive tactic.
Getting high on spice melange... understandable how he got the "wonka"
Love the Zendaya hate. Been on that train for years and never left. Does my heart good
I’m not a fan of Zendaya. She’s just not a great actress. Serviceable, yes. Decent, maybe. But not great. When I told my brother she was cast as Chani he replied by saying “I don’t know what a Zendaya is.” Pretty much sums it up right there.
Zendaya just plays Zendaya in every movie. Like a Cara Delevingne that seems to blandly fail upward
They also made her character have way more to it than it should have.
Zendaya is like The Rock, Ryan Reynolds or Keanu Reeves, but with 0% charm or screen presence.
I still can't figure out why is she as popular as she is. She has neither the talent nor the charisma to compensate the lack of range like the actors i mentioned.
another plank of wood, like Kira knightly, ok to look at but don’t expect anything above phoning it in.
That dude who played bilbo in the movies.
@@916hayabusaTrans privilege and gr00mers' pet.
Zendaya has the acting depth of a puddle of water on Arrakis
I can't stand her and Chalamet!
@@raidensnake9471016 chalamet is a perfect Paul
Good thing she isn't Maud Dib
The cavernous wells are humongous.
she's not that bad, calm down
The Chani character had way too much screen time compared to the emperor and Feyd
Your description of Zendaya’s acting is spot on! 😂 I described it as Los Angelos but Californian is close enough
I think when people compare it to LOTR they're not saying it's as good as them, I think the comparison is that they're 2 grand franchises, with well developed world's and characters, that will stand the test of time.
More than 20 years later, the fact that it is still so hard to top LOTR is crazy
Exactly. I think this Dune trilogy will be what LOTR is for fantasy movies, but for sci-fi.
Genre is def different. But what Paul Jackson accomplished is really unreachable ... Dune 2 is wonderful - but the depth of the LOTR is wider and the rhythm and pace is much better than Dune 1.
@@palahnuk1 Yeah absolutely. No question. I just think Dune has the ability to garner a fan base as dedicated as LOTR that will love it forever 😊
meh
Finally criticism of Zendaya
She has about as much range as a lead balloon does distance traveled
The problem of her character is they gave her so much like a girlboss, they didn't take the real tragedies of chani in the books
@@sedlyholmes3722 Because I've watched the series, I can understand why Zendaya act like a girl boss in Denis Villeneuve version. Paul was talking a lot about his dream to Chani, that's why only she knew what will happen in the future. Of course Lady Jessica knew as well and the Bene Gesserit.
Geez its like now the thing "cool kids" do as far as slamming her, she is far better than dozens of actresses no one ever hammers on. She is not a great actress but again there are far worse.
Her best work is in Euphoria. She really does make you hate her, the way you would hate a drug addict that ruins their family and friendships in real life. She gives you enough hope that she can turn it around, only to realize what a deluded fool you are, and that she is conning you again. The real criticism of the show is the oversexualization of the other high school aged characters.
Javier Bardem and Austin Butler absolutely crushed it. TC also definitely lived up to the lead role, and he will be excellent in the next
Just saw it today on IMAX. Let me say, every time something big is happening on screen, I can feel my body and the chair I'm sitting on shake, literally shake. The sound design is stellar. And The scene on Geidi prime was GENIUS
Chani was the character I dislike the most! Because that is not the way she is in the books!! Other than that, it was a fine watch!
Good, not everything should be like the book, otherwise it'd be boring.
@@lazkraft7917Nope, not true. Not if the book isn't boring.
Let me make a braindead comment with the goal of fishing for likes!🫵😃
I really wish they would release longer cuts of both these movies for home video, like the good old days.
LONGER CUTS??? THIS WAS 2:45 YOU WANT A 5 HOUR MOVIE????
@@rondz1234 Yes
I want the 6h version of part 1 and the uncut version of part 2.
They''ll roll something out at the 5th or 10th aniversary most likely.
@@rondz1234people absolutely love the extended versions of LOTR, what seems the problem here?
Hollywood, quite trying to make Zendaya a thing. She not a good enough actress.
and quit trying to force dune and other waste of space boring movies
Trying to make her a thing? As if she is an upcoming actress. Lol. Keep deceiving yourself. Zendaya is already a megastar actress. She was the highest paid actress in Hollywood two years ago, she has been in several top franchises and she is super popular all around the globe. So yeah, she is already a big deal.
@@patrick7142 true, but this is a boomer and older channel
Can't wait for Sunday. I going to see it with my daughter ❤. I saw the David Lynch's version with my dad almost 40 years ago😊
Butler really is becoming a mega star, hope he continues to absolutely kill it.
Couldn't care less about Florence "iPhone face" Pugh or Zendaya.
I quite like Florence Pugh. She's been in some bunk, but she's been in some decent stuff too. Zendaya I struggle to understand what the deal is, but I can at least point to a few of Pugh's performances and say 'she's a competent actor who has potential to be better'.
Informed beauties both. (We're told it's so, in the face of the evidence of our own eyes)
Yeah hiring Zendaya for acting is like Nicholas Cage minus the talent. She was the only thing about the first movie I didn't like. It's like oh look it's Zendaya, pulls you out of it.
Zendaya's pretty. But, I don't think she's sexy. No curves. She looks like puberty skipped her. I don't think Pugh rates any higher than a 5 or 6 either. I wouldn't call her ugly. But, I wouldn't call her hot. She's a "Plain Jane".
@@PalaecroExactly. Never liked her in that movie. She ruined what to me was nearly great movie experience. She belongs in some low tier Netflix material not a high quality literary sci fi epic like Dune.
I'm glad that I can finally go to the cinema and watch a good movie.
@@Cat14721Your welcome It's called a hustle sweetheart 😉
theres been plenty of great movies in cinema lol
Zendaya could be in the best movie ever made and i wont watch it
@@issaggg1087 That's a bit of an exaggeration. There've been a few. Not "plenty". I get what OP is saying.
Yes, but when are they going to show one?
why does the Sci Fi Dune show in the year 2000 get no reference!!!!! REVIEW IT SIR!
The movie could have been a lot better. I actually became nostalgic of the 1984 David Lynch version while watching this one.
Zendaya sucks, I wish they had somebody else play the role and I wish her character stuck to the source material.
They should’ve made everybody gay.
And lame
And put a chick in it
@@shanenolan5625 linguini
And put a chick in it!
and bipoc
Well they completely changed zendayas character from the book. In the book she supports paul & sticks by his side during his messiah phase . In the movie they made it the opposite
Gotta have their girl boss scene nonsense or else the FemiNutzees will scream like Harpies about the Patriarchy and always being oppressed.
@@clit_niblr0375
Agreed. Thats why also they swapped Liet Kynes to a female character. They even admitted it.
I think they Will make her the new Korba in the next movie.
Yep that's the only problem I have with it but I guess they wanted a strong female that was independent and shit on the character instead
Fem power
The ending he's referring to is a cringy girl boss scene that was thrown in at the last moment for no apparent reason, in an almost "F U, we got the last word in", way.
To be fair - the pacing matches that of the book pretty closely - the ending wraps up really quickly in the book. Also, the book does end with Chani and Jessica - so makes sense that the film matches that too.
Yes, exactly! The final battle in the book is even faster than in the new movie.
But you don't feel it when reading the book, because it's printed words that you can pace yourself. When put in movie form, the jumps become very obvious.
In fact Denis Villeneuve have already put additional explanatory scenes in the movie to explain the final battle. These scenes were not in the book.
I don't mind Zendaya as much as I mind the utter character assassination of Chani.
Isn’t that the truth?
In the book she's a wise Fremen woman. The whole "southern fremen are the religious ones" is completely a movie thing. In the movie she acts like a snooty teenanger. The worst is the ending. She very much supports Pauls marriage to princess Irulan in the book, but in the movie she just storms off and rides a worm while crying.
The character assassination of Chani... And Jessica... And Stilgar. And the Thufir storyline, which made an idiot out of the baron...
@@petrowegynyolc7108 Stilgar wasn't that bad.. I kind preferred some of his ways.. He was a bit blind fanatic in some bits.. But his pure belief through the actor's portrayal of the character made him very much intriqueing.
@@mrdrebin123 he was played for the laughter and throughly humiliated by Chani and her "modern, woken company who are not constrained by the religious beliefs of the South"... Both book and Part1 Stilgar would immediately have had put her into her place, instead of suffering the insults.
The Fremen arent native to Arrakis
Sounds like an Israeli vs. Palestinian argument building. Yeah, they were refugee’s originally.
Fine, but they've been there so long that this is roughly equivalent to saying the English aren't really native to England, being comprised of indigenous Celts plus Angles, Jutes, Saxons, and Normans.
thought the Harkonnen brought them there as slaves
@vanripem not really since one is fake and the other is real.
@@nicknevco215No they got there way before the Harkonnens got there. The Zensunni wanderings had them end up on Arrakis
I had also tried many times to read the books and never could get into them. However I realize now it's because the first book hits you pretty hard early with terms and names that are sometimes hard to keep up with with no reference point. I could never get the appropriate "theater of the mind" experience going having not even seen the older movie. But now having seen both new movies, I gave the Audible version another go and it makes a WORLD of difference being able to picture it now.
They need to stop casting the same people. Enough Zendaya already.
What's a zendaya?
Is it just me or does the Harkonin (sp?) Nephew look like the guy that got fired for stealing luggage?
LOL! He totally does good call
😂😂😂
😂😂😂😂 I thought the same thing!
Heh. Heh. Yeah, he does.
Yes he was wearing my suit
I've read the book. These movies are good (at least, from what I can see from Part 2's trailer and info), bordering on great, but they miss on a few points from the books.
Part of the point of Jessica giving birth while with the Fremen was because her daughter, Alia, is a key figure in the final act of the book and in future books. Because of the psychic and drug-fueled trial Jessica has to go through to become a Reverend Mother of the Bene Gesserit, Alia also gains heightened awareness and consciousness _while inside the womb._ Alia is basically born with the wisdom and intelligence and powers of a Reverend Mother but without any of the disciplines or loyalties (in the book, she's the one who kills the Baron because he underestimates her, since she's 2 years old, and lets her get close enough to stab him with a gom jabbar needle she'd been hiding).
In part one, the biggest disappointment was the gender-swap and race-swap of Liet Kynes. In the book, Liet Kynes is a male Imperial Ecologist who was chosen by the Emperor personally to learn about Arrakis and the Fremen. Long story short, Kynes goes full Dances with Wolves and gets adopted into the Fremen, even starting a family (Chani is his daughter, making her half-Imperial in the books). He's later so impressed by the honor and integrity of Duke Leto Atreides, partially thanks to the values he gained by spending so much time with the Fremen, that he actually betrays the Emperor and helps the Atreides royal family (most of them) escape. As an Imperial, and as the Imperial Ecologist and Emperor's contact, he's not killed by the Harkonnen. However, after he's captured he's left in the desert with a ruined stillsuit as punishment for his betrayal so they can say they "never killed" the Imperial Ecologist.
Kynes' life in the book has beautiful poetic symmetry: he starts out as an Imperial agent to be used to exploit the Fremen, but instead he learns their ways to survive the desert and becomes a man of greater integrity as he falls in love with the Fremen and Arrakis. Later, he sides with Leto against the Emperor, showcasing the Emperor's fears of Leto having the potential to gain enough influence to usurp him (if Leto could convince his _chosen man_ on the planet, an Imperial man, he could convince anyone to come to his side). Then, Kynes sacrifices himself to do what is right, and the people he started out serving in the first place leave him to die in the desert he was sent to study as an insult to him, but in actuality he's at peace with it since he'd long since come to love the place and now gets to be one with it.
They removed nearly all that poetry for a cheap girl-boss moment, and it will never not annoy me.
When you put it like that I can’t help but feel the same frustration you feel!
That's a very good point. Kynes was one of my favorite side characters in the first book.
What's up with RUclipsrs trying to look like musicians but putting a guitar in the background?
Feyd kind of looked like a big baby in this version though, in my minds eye he was running around in a romper suit.
Zendaya was a poor casting choice for Chani. Otherwise, looks promising!
I liked Barbora Kodetova as Chani in the 2000 miniseries
The director is expected to do Rendezvous with Rama in the next year or 2. Been waiting decades for the movie to finally be made. He would do it justice. Fingers crossed.
wait, what???? That series got really weird by the third book.
That would be amazing! Yeah, the second book and onwards was written by a different author. I could barely read the second and didn't even try the next one. The first though, so good!
For reals?? Morgan Freeman has been trying to make that for decades. Hopefully he's in it. I would've figured Nolan might attempt that one as a response to Villenueve's recent sci-fi oeuvre seeing as how they've got a bit of a director bromance going. I'll take anything a friendly rivalry between these two produces.
oh my god... who want eight or so people to stranded in a 40 km long cylinder for years....😉
Recently completed the novel series. And I am hyped for this adaptation.
I mostly loved it. I just didn’t care much for the changes to Chani’s character from the book and am slightly worried about what that implies for future movies.
We cannot easily compare the worlds Herbert and Tolkien created. They are totally different flavours.. read the books first ( or at least one of the series) then you might be able to analyze, compare aso. Plus keep in mind: LOTR fantasy / Dune sci-fi. I’m too lazy to go on but maybe you can catch my point here.
😊 I’m a big fan of Dune, read the books & I also love LOTR movie trilogy.
Gary used to own a sandworm
Hey! I’ve been to Saturn!
He probably uses one for his daily commute. I bet he has a sandworm driver's licence.
He got kicked out of three sietches!
Most guys do.
I am a sandworm
IMO, everything was great except for Zendaya, because Zendaya is an activist pretending to be an actress in a good movie.
can you give an example of her giving a bad performance in this movie? she wasn’t the greatest actress, but she didn’t take me out of the movie at all, and was always believable as Chani 🤷🏻♂️
Zendaya is spidermans gf and the atreides guy looks pretty handsome but being so WHITE he will do as well in the desert as black people dieting in front of fried chicken,
So you're gonna hate on any performances by Zendaya because she's an activist??? Sounds like you're just hating cause she's a woke female. Timothee is a woke male, but you don't seem bothered by his acting considering he dresses feminine on the red carpet and is clearly supportive of the LGBTQ people
She is not remotely as bad as some make her out to be, it has become the "cool kids" thing to hammer on her. I have not seen a single activist thing she has supposedly said.
@@deanfirnatine7814she's overrated
Didn’t completely hate Chani, but it’s just weird that she would rather her people stay oppressed, instead of rallying behind the one person who brought all her people together. Like all she does is cry about the prophecy but doesn’t offer any solutions.
😮 I didn't think that way until you mentioned it lol. Yes wtf Chani not happy his people overthrow the oppressors.
Paul isn't supposed to be the hero. She can see this.
@@Swindel67 yea I understand that even Denis spelled it out, my issue is sure “Paul isn’t suppose to be the hero”, but what’s Chani solution other than complaining? He did in 6 months what the fremen couldn’t in 80 years, and united them. Plus the golden path completely disproves the Paul isn’t the hero no matter how much they try to argue it. All of humanity > 61 billion.
Dune was slightly 'lucky' in this way- Herbert's original books had women being just as strong as men in their own way (the Bene Gesserit, female Fremen warriors). Because he wrote it with some gender balance in it, there was less 'need' to insert intersectional ideas.
You CAN see some of Villeneuve's nods to more current sensibilities:
1) making female characters have more agency/ability (the new Jessica kills with her hands, Dune '84 she didn't)
2) Changes like Dr Kines' race/gender make little difference to the plot because it doesn't become the focus, or even get a mention (you wouldn't know the character has been gender swapped if you hadn't read the book or seen Dune '84)
Fun fact: Tolkien hated Dune with a passion.
How the heck.That's a fun fact.
Tolkien was always a romantic old foggey who created a VERY black and white, hero- and aristocracy-worshiping moral universe a million miles remived from the morally ambiguous and ofter downright cynical Dune universe. And as a very committed Catholic, he particularly HATED Dune's stance on religion.
Hell, he would probably have hated the three Jackson films.
And I shudder to imagine what he would have thought of "The Rings of Power"...
@@PeloquinDavidI think it was Quinn who said that Paul is what would have happened to Aragorn if he had taken The One Ring to defeat Sauron
@@AlejandroDiazadiaz201 Leave it to Quinn: that's a great analogy...
@@PeloquinDavid Forget the Rings of Power,...after the abomination The Hobbit movies were, I'm sure he would've forbidenn anyone from ever making anything LOTR related.
RZF =
Resting Zendaya Face
Her acting really ruins this movie for me
@@VSMOKE1 the second half she was so bad and the last scene ugh i had to leave
What was wrong with it? I thought she was quite good. Especially with how she conveyed her feelings for Paul towards the end of the film. Ye she is basically an american speaking person from a very distant part of the universe but so was Chalamet. It didn't ruin the immersion for me considering how large and unknown the universe is.
@@samuelmyth8392 idk why the film doesn’t address it but the reason chani is able to speak english without an accent is because her mother (father in the books) is liet kynes who was a planetologist and the arbiter of the change and not originally from arrakis
This is for my people!
My fiancé and I are massive LOTR fans.. huge nerds of it. Just went and say return of the king extended version in theatre and the fellowship with live orchestra. We love the series. Dune 2 absolutely falls into the same category. I haven’t seen a movie so good since LOTR. I was completely blown away. Dune 2 is a masterpiece, a pure work of art. We both looked at each other when it was over and just sat in the theatre like what the fuck. It’s truly beautiful and it absolutely made me feel all types of ways just like LOTR did. Go watch it
I'm sorry you haven't watch a good movie in over twenty years. If this is your reaction to a mediocre movie, I can't imagine if you'd watch a good one.
@@josecipriano3048 Hardly any good movies since 2014 ... and for lovers of certain genres even less of course
The only issue I had was most of the fighting against the Fremen. Every Fremen being able to kill with no or very minimal casualties just made most of the battles feel weak. I guess that's just me though.
I haven't watched Dune 2 yet, but from the first movie, it feels like they did the Sarduakar dirty and that may be why the Fremen seem overpowered. They definitely seemed weaker than how they were depicted in the Lynch version - the only real improvement in this version is that they drilled home the fanaticism but they left out the brutal competency and diehard toughness of the Sardaukar. Lynch captured that in a weird way - there's a scene where Duncan shoots a Sardaukar in the chest, the dude goes down, then gets right back up and wrestles with Duncan until he gets a dagger jammed right through his head. The book Fremen are supposed to be roughly equal to the Sardaukar, just more numerous and a surprise to the Sardaukar because they are so much better than the ordinary Great House soldiers (per the book one Sardaukar is generally considered equal to 10 Great House soldiers).
They sustained massive casualties in most of the fights I'd wager - there's just a LOT of them, and the movie didn't dwell on it too much (at all).
@@patreardan1727
They’re like that in the book. Duncan is the greatest fighter in the universe apart from Paul.
Zendaya was very much the weak link of the cast. I noticed in the first movie that all the other Fremen had an accent but her; in this one they even explicitly mention Fremen accents (Stilgar had a southern Fremen accent) while Chani was there, ignoring her Californian accent. You are being paid to be a professional actress, I'd think that a professional actress ought to be able to handle an accent.
You are right about Javier Barden as Stilgar stealing the show. He completely makes the Fremen for me. I'd add that I loved what they did with Josh Brolins Gurney so much that I wish they had introduced him way sooner. In 1984 Dune he went native just like Paul and Lady Jessica and was a pretty generic honorable warrior character. In this he never gets the blue eyes and acts a bit like the devil on Paul's shoulder, seeing the Fremen as just a means to avenging house Atreides. I don't want to spoil anything so I won't say more, but if they were already going to change some things from the books why not bring Gurney in sooner too?
Gurney coming in too soon would have pulled focus from Paul's captivation of/assimilation into the Fremen, which was firmly entrenched by Gurney's re-introduction.
Didn't want to get canceled on X for "culturally appropriating," probably.
"all the other Fremen had an accent but her" They acknowledged it in the second movie.
I'm fine with Zendaya feeling "normal" and understated because she kinda serves as a vehicle for the viewers to relate to. Her not having an accent probably served for that purpose. She also had a good chemistry with Chalamet.
In the second movie she said the people from the south had the accent. Not the North. Shes from the north
Zendaya is not Chani. Zendaya is Zendaya. It's the same like Miles Morales is not Spiderman. Miles Morales is Miles Morales.
Exactly.Zendaya can't act to save her life.Along with Tom Holland.
The battle scenes are probably the biggest letdown for me -- They're always swift and one-sided.
The classic *"Dune vs Lord of Rings debate."* Continues to rage. Good. Good.
Dune movies are utter trash copared to LOTR, even though they changed a lot in LOTR, it was still eons ahead of Dune.
Zendaya was the worst part of this movie imo. Such a wooden performance. She didn’t really have chemistry with Paul and she seems to always be against him. I don’t really know why they were together. Didn’t seem like a natural relationship
The way she would obviously stare him down in front of his masses was so stupid lol his people would ostracized her for doing that
The one thing I wish they did more of was at least show more of the spacing guild. And have the preface before the start tell the history of the thinking machines that led to the strange culture and lack of machine computers.
More? They weren’t in it and seeing that’s how Paul wins the war it’s kind of important
I haven’t even read the books and I felt the absence of this aspect of it. Without any mention of this or the heighliners, you literally are relying on a single line from that video tutorial Paul watched early in Part 1 to remind you why Spice is even that important.
@@Ti-up3dv Wich will be jarring watching the third movie if it's closely based on Dune Messiah because the Spacing Guild has a very important role on it.
I think it is interesting how David Lynch visualized Giedi Prime as Planet of the Gingers, while Denis V. portrays it as Planet of the Skinheads. It works either way, but in Denis' version the Harkonnes' psychosis is more subtle and brooding. Lynch's version was more entertaining, while Denis' version is more frightening. I now view the Lynch DUNE as how the story would look if performed as live theater.
It's like she stole the war boy look from mad max fury rode.. I Iive, I die, I live again..
UFFFFFF the Zendaya california quote articulated perfectly the only gripe I had with the movie.
They left the spacing guild completly out, which is IMHO the key to understand the importance of spice and why Arrakis is the key to rule the universe.
Is it? I mean, I understand it should have importance. But since the first movie we know spice is the most valuable resource in the universe, and it's overly implied that Arrakis is the richest if not the only source of this resource in the universe. I mean, I'm not saying the spacing guild is not important, but if what you say is the only reason it should be in the movie, I don't know, I don't see it that neccesary.
@@reachthezora1912 Thanks for your answer. Of course not the only reason, but a little less "Chani is a strong, fighting female" and a little more accuracy on the whole story would have been nice. But: simply my humble opinion.
@@reachthezora1912 It is. The Guild is actually the most powerful organization in the galaxy. When Paul declares he will destroy the spice, they back down which allows for Paul to take the Imperial throne. The entire ending of the film is convoluted because the Guild is omitted. Instead, we get some holy war nonsense where all of the sudden Fremen know how to fly galactic cruisers despite never having been offworld.
@@q45ij54q That's a better argument.
@@q45ij54q Agreed. Plus, the ending betrayed the book. The Landsraad didnt reject Paul and peace was kept; the entire reason Paul had to marry the Princess. Chani understands and stays with Paul as his true "Wife". They had already had a son together as well.
I liked the movie but they cut one of the best characters I wish we could have seen on screen (young Alia) and changed the ending enough to make me question how the will set up the second book to cannan standards. Chani was also way more likeable in the book. (No constant resting bitch face.)
Kinda understandable they changed Aila because a cgi toddler blitzing in a battlefield is super weird.
@@zeronos2844 I can see that. They could have just left her out of battle though instead of leaving her out entirely. The adult acting toddler making the Freman women uncomfortable would have been easy enough to do though. The time skip between the first and second book is 12 years too. They could have fudge the numbers on that a bit to make her a little older too.
Im more sad they cut Thufir Hawat
The recharacterization of Chani was not terrific but was consistent with the plot as written for the screen
@@jerryhorton5708 Also Denis said that he was just trying to show what Frank Herbert wants to convey:
Paul is not a hero.
I liked it. But honestly, it's terribly dumbed down. And Im so tired of Zendaya sulking constantly. She is vastly over rated.
it's so badly written imo, Paul's character growth was rushed, it only took like 2 scenes for him to change everything he stood for, and i don't know what's the point of Zendaya in all of this, she literally added nothing to do the show, I thought she was gonna be the reason Paul would not succomb to the prophesy lies, or at least be his wife, yet he did at the end and got with the other chick, also that pyscho is easily the worst villain i've ever seen, they've been building his character as a top warrior and just took an L to Paul because Zendaya was there to support him with LOVE i guess... and the effing Harkonnen guy is supposed to be a master, he died like a dog for no reason. which means that whole thing about him being his grandson was all for ntg cuz the mf is dead and the plot obviously will go towards the big battle between Fremen and those big families or whatever.. You can't just make a 3 hour movie building up to another movie
The kid's there, because that's what Hollywood wants. Nothing to do with the audience or critics rating her.
Imagine her face when Paul is walking around with two wives in the sequel. I just cant see her doing the next movie
@@slippytrippy8122 That part will be wokeified. Obviously.
@@jurycould4275 I think theyll change it and Chani will be like, in self exile raising a small group of freemen who oppose Paul. Theres no way Zendaya will go along with the two wives thing. What do you think
Ive read both dune and lotr and if you’re interested il share my opinion on which is better. Lotr translates better to film, those movies are aging almost immaculately because of that and also mostly because they are extremely well produced.
But its not a fair comparison. The dune books aren’t typical fantasy like lotr, they are philosophical and ambiguous. Lotr focuses more on fantasy elements. It is better written and a more entertaining read but the ideas presented in dune are far more interesting and engaging.
Because of this key difference its hard in theory to make a dune film that captures what makes the books so interesting. The modern dune films don’t fully express this, they are quite Hollywood suitable if that makes sense. But they are technical masterpieces and so are still very entertaining, the level of production is getting to an insanely good level.
They need to accept and integrate the weirder less mainstream/hollywood suitable side of dune to elevate it to a level that can compete with the sheer excitement and thrill of lotr’s fantasy and adventure.
I'm with it. I liked it, but Dune 1 felt bigger, had more depth and was better overall. Both had pacing issues that could have been used to flesh out characters or the politics and alliances of the world, but I came out of the theater feeling slightly underwhelmed. Still it's 100% worth a trip to the theater and on the best screen available.
"Dune 1 felt bigger, had more depth" are you trolling? Like, seriously? Did you fall asleep through part 2? Lmaooo. Brain dead take.
@@mdc3227 Nothing better than insulting the intelligence of strangers for not sharing your exact opinions and preferences, I guess
Nah man, this guy is legitimately a whacko @MR_Foffe
Dune 2 was absolute pretentious garbage. I could somewhat follow because I was familiar with the basic story, but as a standalone film this was a pile of garbage. Yeah they had dramatic bass music and some nice visuals but that's it.
Oh and they kept doing this weird Kalergi thing where they try to trick you into thinking that 1 inch forehead McBoradnose is attractive or a good actress. The scene where he marries himself to the Midsommar chick and she did this dramatic gasp actually made me laugh out loud.
Hot garbage. You've literally all been tricked if you think this is good cinema. Or if you think Zendaya is pretty or talented.
@@helpIthinkmylegsaregone tldr :>
I've been a Frank Herbert fan for DECADES, so I'm thrilled that someone was able to do the series justice.
Ah yes...a lame slow paced boomer movie that no one asked for is great while every superhero, sci fi action, or video game movie its trash... lm SO happy to hear that.
cenophille here . DV is a legit genius. been a huge fan since "Prisoners" -- although "arrival" was when we started seeing his signature aesthetics... DV's Blade Runner is one of the most misunderstood/underappreciated masterpieces in contemporary cinema; and is MUCH better than even the original RS film...
@@sergiokaminotanjo No, only the one sthat were trash. Captain america and Iron man 1 were amazing, the infinity saga kicked ass.
@@sergiokaminotanjo People have been asking for Dune since the book came out, dullard😂
@@sergiokaminotanjo Im pretty sure there should be a new internet rule similar to Godwin's Law, where by if you utter the term "boomer" everyone reading/listening instantly gets to ignore your comment as you have outed yourself as a kid. Since kids don't know shit about shit, we would be justified in doing so.
I watched Dune 1 and thought it was fine. It was alright. Saw Dune 2, and that was one of the best movies I've seen.
Unfortunately, Chani's character was butchered. Where in the book she is a woman that provides support for Paul, here she is just a spoiled brat. I presume that is why they left out the fact they had a son that was killed.
This movie taught me never to drink the blue stupid juice
Lmao
The gold liquid
One of the problems Hollywood has with Dune is they constantly want Paul Atriedes to be "The Hero". But his story ISN'T "The Heroes Journey". And when they constantly try to play it as such it makes telling the story impossible. To be fair, I suspect a truly faithful retelling of the story would not be popular either. So as film makers they are caught in a dilemma that is always going to be "solved" in the direction of being monetarily successful.
I like that it ended the way it did.
Sure they could've gone even harder into the dark implications of what's in store but it did a pretty good job nonetheless. Not perfect but good.
It is a hero's Journey if you read the first book. The follow up novels deconstructed the hero's journey because there was no place to go but down for the author. I prefer just the first book, so if they want Dune Messiah, I will pass. That will be part 3, as the setup was the end. That part where she rides off should have been in the end credits or something. It sucked.
@@rickdeckardbladerunner2049 I guess you know more about Frank Herbert's intentions than he did, apparently. You're one of those people who never learned to read between the lines.
@@rickdeckardbladerunner2049 In the book Chani, did not like the fact Paul would not marry her, but she understood. And accepted being his concubine and eventually gave birth to the twins.
@@yahya_elistinsaryyes, I know. Dune part 2 added too much angry to Chani. The Dune part 2 poster says it all.
As a huge fan of the original, I was pretty disappointed
Frank Herbert himself rushed with ending of his first book by almost not bothering much with last battle at all, so D.V did a much, much better job with a film... :))))
Yes!
You described exactly what I think about Zendaya's performance, she acted like a "tough californian girl". Worse of all, every single time she came on screen I was badly reminded I was still watching a movie...
Not saying she's a bad actress, but she could have improved her presence by adopting a different accent at least.
But they explained why her accent was different.
@@Nio744 there's nothing wrong with her accent being different, problem was her mannerisms and way of speaking were just too "urban".
I wouldn't have seen any difference between this movie and Euphoria. The only difference is that she acted "tough" most of the time, but everything else was the same.
In my review I describe her performance as like a petulant teenager, thats all she seems to do. glare at people then stomp off
Nah she's a horrible actress You just know they put this child actress through shit
The faces they had her making were😂😂😂😂
I’m one of those Dune book purists. Dune Part 1 was solidly good, but as for adapting the story, it could have been better. That said, the cinematography and effects were amazing. As a book, Dune is one of my all time favorites. I you try to read it, be patient. There are numerous characters and plot lines that must be established, a little more than 1/4 in, the story begins to roll along and becomes a rich, fulfilling complex story. Up to this point, I give the Lynch version the edge in terms of casting and story adaptation. The previews of Part 2 look great and along with several positive reviews, I look forward to seeing it in theaters.
If you are book purists then you will face disappointment in this film. I did.
@@weemadangus1834 : Yeah, I suspect it will. I’ve rewatched part 1 a few times, and it gets more annoying each time. The cast of the first Dune movie was better. Except, I will say that Javier Bardem was an inspired choice to play Stilgar. Anyway, thanks for the warning.
@@drvijil the cast of the 80s Dune are great.
Yep.
@@weemadangus1834
I loved this movie, I honestly don’t think the pacing of the first half is bad but I do agree the film honestly could’ve used an extra 30 to 45 minutes at the end. I could be completely wrong, but I have heard that the battle scenes in Dune (the book) aren’t super fleshed out so that may have been the reason why certain certain battle scenes weren’t longer. I wish the Director could have added about 30 minutes just to make the battle scenes longer and more intense. Than maybe I could put it up at the same level as The Two Towers. Overall, I think it’s the best sci-fi movie in a long time, and maybe one of the better movies of the entire decade.
I have read the book, and yes you are right, the final battle in the book is even faster and skips a lot.
But when you read it in book form, you don't feel rushed because it's a book that you can pace yourself.
In movie form, the scene jumps become very obvious.
I agree it need even more explanatory scenes for the final battle.
ehhh idk its hard to compare Lotr with this two different type of movies
I would have liked to see more of the Harkonnen world.
That was imho the best part aesthetically speaking, same goes for the sardaukar world in part 1
The Harkonnen world wasn't mentioned much in the novel. Denis Villleneuve actually add his own details, and I think it's beautifully made.
The movie Harkonnens did a salute with hand grips above their heads - that is a traditional Chinese salute reserved for the gods. Clever.
The sleeper has awakened! OH wait he just hit the snooze button.🤔
The whole Chani thing was terrible. They replaced her with some other character because they thought the book version of her wouldn't be as marketable to modern audiences.
Or like drinker says, "MODERN AUDIENCES"
Where did he get those pop corn buckets clips lmao😂😂😂
This could have easily been a 10 part series. Beautiful films the both of them. I do agree with the pacing issues and the palate wears on you after a while even though the cinematography is what sets it apart. Well done Denis Villeneuve. Some of the better sci-fi movies of the last 10 years.
Yeah it’s a shame. I wanted to love it (same with Part 1) but was disappointed, but with the production design, sound or individual scenes but with the limitations that the medium of film inherently has. Namely run time. You simply cannot pull off a story with this many narrative threads and characters in the space of a single film without rushing or truncating to a brutal degree, which Dine part 2 does far too much of. First half or part 2 utterly transported me, especially that harvester ambush… and just being in the desert with the Fremen and learning their ways… then there were just too many elements introduced too fast and it fell apart and nothing had any weight.
I have read these books and been a fan for a long time. To me, the most important theme that appears in Dune is a specific duality of human nature. We want peace, but we aren’t made for it. All of our deepest dreams are in the image of paradise, but all of our heroes and legends are remembered for their sacrifices. We as a species feel shame for our violent past, and yet here we are in the year 2024 still waging war on one another.
Dune is not a story about the Spacing Guild or Mentats. It’s not about Chani or Paul or Alia or any one character in particular. Every detail, every bit of world building, is secondary to the true focus of the story: humanity itself.
Watching these movies it’s clear to me that Villeneuve and his team are reading this story and asking the questions Frank Herbert wanted us to ask. I understand many details were changed or even omitted, but Villeneuve still managed to capture the essence of Herbert’s original story. To me that makes this a masterpiece.
"we aren't made for peace" ? Name me one w4r where we had a v0te to go to w4r ! Name me one war where so called popular support wasn't an illusion spun by the pr3ss, the same pre55 controlled by the very people who pr0fit from w4r. while we all lose ! People just want to get on with their lives !
This comment 1000 percent.
Thank you! 👍🏻
"We", the normal people, are very well able to live in peace. It's always just individuals and their accomplices who get us involved in wars.
After i watched a recap yesterday about the books, i understood why this franchise is a bit hardcore to be put onscreen. But the films parallels matrix alot!
I just watched it. The journey of the hero was a bit week to me. His struggle and sacrifice was shadowed by bad dialogues on important scenes, and that made it had for me to truly believe in him and root for him .
For those who read the books (I haven't so I have questions, please bear with me), how did the southern army grow to be so big and remain ununnoticed; how did the Emperor take Paul's bait so easily (and how didn't Irulan and the Reverend mother sense something), and finally, did the final battle seem too rushed in the books as well, because in the movies they made it seem like a piece of cake (was there no any suspicion that the Emperor might get attacked)?
Thanks ❤
"how did the southern army grow to be so big and remain ununnoticed"
In the book their is no "southern army". The Fremens are organised in what are basically city states.
They are unnoticed because they pay a tremendous fee to the Spacing Guild (the company that hold a monopoly on faster than light travel) to be assured that no spy satellite can be put in orbit of Arrakis.
And the Imperial Law forbid a too deep exploration of Arrakis in order not to disturb the worms lifecycle and the spice harvesting entreprise.
On top of that, the spiritual leader of the Fremen is Liet Kynes (Chani's father), who is also a very high ranking Imperial official who makes sure that it stays that way.
"how did the Emperror take Paul's bait so easily"
Because he's not that smart, and as almost everybody else he's misinformed.
Spice harvesting is the most important thing in his Imperium, so when it basically stops he makes sure that he's seen as the man who makes it flow again. He brings with him 50 sardaukar legion (an army that is almost as powerful as the totality of the ones of the noble houses combined) to be sure of a swift and easy victory.
"how didn't Irulan and the Reverend mother sense something"
Because in the book prescients cancel each other. Paul can't see what the Bene Gesserit and the Guild is doing and vice versa.
"did the final battle seem too rushed in the books as well, because in the movies they made it seem like a piece of cake"
Basically yes.
First they use the cover of a gigantic sandstorm to cut a big hole in the mountain chain that protect Arakeen with atomics and then they rush in as fast as possible on the back of big sandworms. Overwhelming the sardaukar army who never faught in these conditions.
Technically the use of weapons of mass destruction is strictly forbidden (even if it's well know that the great houses posses hidden nuclear vaults just in case) so hey never expected that either.
Paul never threathed to use the atomics on the spice though in the books. He threatens to kill all the worms by spraying Water of Life on spice fields.
At that time the Fremen were the only one to know how the worms lifecycle actually work, every attempt to terraform planet and produce spice elsewhere failed so it was a terrifying threat.
Hope it helped
There is one more interesting thing about all that, apart from ignorance of the Emperor and Harkonens. Unlike other planets Arrakis does not have any satellites around it. The Space Guild puts satellites into orbits of planets. When you ask the Guild to put satellites around Arrakis and especially above the Southern half of the planet they tell you "its very difficult, err... we are working on it, maybe next year, the electricity of storms... they tried but satellites stop functioning, it will be considered ... and the cost is eye watering even for a Great House, and so on". And then you find out that Fremen were paying the guild in Spice - through the smuggler bands like the one Gurney joined, - to keep the satellites off.
And Bene Gesserit cannot "sense" things far away. They are not radars. They can read people and manipulate them, but not when they dont see them and dont know those people exist.
Guild Navigators in turn are very limited in their prescient visions and their abilities are mainly focused on space travel. They could see there is a problem growing on Arrakis but because the future is not pre determined they had no idea why or exactly how..
remember Liet in the 1st movie? He (in the books) fudged his own records that he sent to the emperor on what exactly the local situation was and the census of the locals that no one aside from the local Fremen knew ho many they are in the planet.
The battle unfolded similarly with the movie, the blasted the Shield Wall and the Fremen riding the Sandworms routed the vaunted Sardaukar. What was missing though is that the local populace (basically city Fremen) of Arrakeen rose up and helped to battle the Harkonnens and the Sardauker. They suffered heavy casualties compared to the Fedaykin and the desert Fremen.
I have read the book, it's been a while but I think I can answer.
1. The southern regions have been underestimated by all ruling parties: the Emperor/Sardaukar, the Harkonnensn, and the Space Navigators. All of them underestimated Femen settlements due to their individual overconfidences.
The Emperor is overconfident in his Sardaukar power, and in the novel he is actually a hedonistic indulgent man, so he didn't pay attention until it's too late.
The Space Navigators are too obsessed in future sight of only around their destination. They don't care looking at anything else. They are addicts, after all.
And the Harkonnens are just as crazy in the book as in the movie.
2. In the novel, the Emperor didn't take a bait. Instead, he sensed something was wrong in the planet Arrakis and decided to step in and set things right himself. He is just an over-indulgent person, and only after he landed on Arrakis, all the events unfold defeating him.
All those defeats are possible only because Paul is using time-sight constantly, almost over-charging his new powers. Every step and command Paul takes is based on the millions of time-sight calculations done when the Emperor arrive.
Paul Atreideis fulfills his promise to the fremen by leading them to paradise
@@Stefan_W.Fr
Yeah unfortunately not entirely the case if you know what's to come 😅
Hell's paradise
Yeah, he really doesn't.
The Fremen never see paradise. In fact they come to regret turning the desert into what they thought would be paradise once they find the Worms are dying off.
Thank you for talking about Zendaya! She takes me out of every movie that she’s in.
Her acting range is not diverse at all.
Like someone already said, Zendaya plays Zendaya in every movie.
... how could I predict the actor who'd be attacked here ... so obvious.
?!? Brilliantly Multi-Talented Zendaya is a wonderful actress. Her acting range is vast and she is versatile. She went from playing a bubbly Teenybopper, Rocky Blue, in Disney's SHAKE IT UP, to a fierce, committed warrior and love interest on an alien planet in DUNE2! Zendaya ACES every assignment directors give her. Jon Watts, director of the Tom Holland SPIDER MAN trilogy asked her early on to play MJ like Darla from BEAVIS AND BUTTHEAD! People ignorant of the assignment tried to "pan" her for her "monotone." But that was the assignment she was given. I hope she gets to play the lead in hilarious Rom Com's, and the lead as a high-powered attorney/politician, and the lead as a scientist, teacher, astronaut, etc. She'd be wonderful in a great biopic - maybe of a singer, too. The girl's amazing.
@@bosskbounty You are right, bosskbounty. Zendaya is a magnificent actress. She deserved those EMMY AWARDS for Best Lead Actress in a Drama Series.And Zendaya was the youngest actress in History to win them. And she Won them back-to-back vs stiff competition Both Years. And brilliantly multi-talented was the youngest actress in History to win it. Zendaya also won a Golden Globe for Acting. And was the youngest person in History nominated for a Best Produce EMMY. Her peers know great acting when they see it and voted for her to win those EMMYS and the GOLDEN GLOBE for Acting. Bigoted trolls on this site just make themselves look bad.
@@sieraclayton1503 El Creatura
@@sieraclayton1503Bruh,she can't act to save her life.The same goes for Tom Holland as well.
The choice they made to swap the arcs of Chani and Jessica is very weird.
Jessica is supposed to be reluctant and Chani the supportive one.
Paul and Chani are suppose to have two children together so if they make a sequel they'll have to resolve this plot point that doens't exist in he book.
They made some very strange choices. I understand why they cut out the mentats from the second movie but why did they introduced them in the first one then ? And why did they cut out completely the Guild ? So that the Landsraad can bring their warships without opposition in the end ?
Some part are overly long, and some seem rushed, seemingly at random. I suppose for the sake of making beautiful shots ?
This movie stutters. Or is desperately in need of an extended cut (which is ironic for a 3 hours long movie).
The movie is not worth a second view because of what you said and tons more. Its an abomination with pretty visuals that is fooling all the movie theater starved sheeple.
It’s an adaptation of the books not a copy and paste
@@vqaoutrz2609 You missed the point entirely.
@@rickdeckardbladerunner2049 Such an abortion of an opinion
I suspect Villeneuve wants to create some conflict between Chani and Paul to resolve in a third movie...Dune Messiah. Of course, this movie will have to succeed bigtime to ensure another sequel, but I think it's a good bet that it will. All [well, some anyway] of the dangling plot threads will have been reserved to beef up the plot and action of Messiah.
Uh, the problem with making it take place in only 5 months is that Alia is an important character in the book and in the movie she's not even born yet...
Also it makes it much less believable that Paul is able to ascend and unite all the fremen in such a short time.