There are multiple worlds according to canon lore. The Bitterblack Isle is a multidimensional nexus that attracts Arisen from different worlds to their death. Ashe was originally from a different world. The rift is also connected to different worlds. There are also other Seneschal of those worlds. They are the keepers of their worlds.
Im not entirely sure if BBI is to attract arisen to their deaths, I think youre right about it attracting them but Daimon inside of the throne room being an arisen himself makes me wonder if the endless dungeon is meant to drive the dragonblighted mad or corrupt them in some way to turn them into the disfigured grigori demons. If there's seneschals(god) there could be a technical "satan" trying to take arisen off their intended path to become god and turn them into an all powerful demonic pawn. I could be wrong but grigori doesnt happen without the seneschal basically telling him to go out and find new arisen, so its just weird to me that daimon randomly transformed Edit:Another reason I dont think BBI is meant to kill arisen, its chock full of wakestones meant to keep arisen alive.
@@benginaldclocker2891 Makes since why their are so many pawns. The mystery surrounding the pawns may just be that they are what remain of a fallen arisen. We're using recycled pawns. lol
Its crazy to think the when they were making Dragons Dogma they had to scrap 60% of the game because of budget cuts. I wonder what Dragons Dogma could look like now if that never happened.
The Dragon's Bargain is basically the Berserk's Behelit. Daimon himself says "I have seen the scattering of countless myriad souls... they gather and flow to become as the river of time, expanding to fill the firmament.", just like the afterlife in berserk. You could say that the one behind the Seneschal is something akin to the [REDACTED] in berserk, the endless could be this source of power. Dragon's dogma is one hell of a adaptation of Berserk.
Not really the same no, if you are referring to the hell that consumes apostles and victims of sacrifice, then it's not the same thing as the afterlife of DD. Transition into the afterlife seems to be something capable of being a pretty peaceful experience as seen with Selene's arisen (her "grandma") and with Savan as well. A very different concept from Berserk's horrifying stream of souls
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I usually turn down the Dragon’s Bargain in both Dragon’s Dogma 1 and 2 because I’m not a cold hearted asshole like Edmund who sacrificed his lover just so he can be duke. And besides, if another Arisen slays then Dragon if I took the Dragon’s Bargain, then he would return my heart and cause me to either age as an old man or turn into dust depending on how long I live as an Arisen.
Barroch is still alive and well and young because BBI is a island that is said to be a place uneffected by time and BBI be accessed via different realities. Thats is why we find so many Arisen from other worlds lying dead in BBI. Barroch isnt from the same world as the player, he is an Arisen from another timeline and Daimons dark magic is preventing time from effecting BBI, thats why Barroch and Orla, after she becomes human can live on BBI without aging.
Stuff like this make me dearly wish Dragons's Dogma Online saw an official release outside of Japan, especially as the premise has player Arisens fighting in service of a dragon instead of against one, the dragon in question being shown to be on humanity's side.
@@lordoflore9761 There's a wikidot for the game that translations for some of the game's content and story, but the vast majority of it still remains unworked or untranslated.
this is why I always give the Arisens bond to the character I WANT to be loved by my character right before I do the mission where you take down Elysion
I didnt took dragons offer... When everything ended "my beloved" happily exclaimed "They’re masterworks, all. You can’t go wrong." ... and proceeded to happily upgrade weapons i got from the dragon. And now as i am exploring Everfall i have to ferrystone to Cassardis every time i want to upgrade a weapon.
I would love to see a battle between multiple arisen it would be epic. If another dogma game comes out I would love to know more about the old gods and there role before the arisen took mantle of god.
I hope that in the sequel the story revolves around the broken cycle and how this affects the world from now on, how it lays the ground for new villains, how the new arisen will have a different role in this changed world etc.
To me, every world has its own Dragon that goes around collecting a lot of Arisen's hearts in that same world. It's like other battles are being fought in other places, Mercedes' country is even afraid it gets to them soon. So one dragon for every world, gathering as much hearts as it can in the hopes that all these things match. It's like a test. Someone who's able and brave enough to face and harm a dragon? Check. Someone who has indeed grown in power so that it can challenge the dragon? Check. Someone who's neither a coward for fearing death or by giving up an innocent loved one's life? Check. Someone who's able to defeat the dragon? Check. Someone who consents to become the Senenchal despite its weight and can also best him as he were before being senenchal? Check. If there's only one Senenchal, then Daimon and BBI can be from just another world that somehow we can get through via boat, and my theory is that Daimon damned his world by becoming what he became. BBI is literally making the job of the Dragon and others more difficult because he's gathering good candidates to become Senenchal and killing them in his Island. As in, maybe he knews that to break the cycle of eternal return, the senenchal has to kill itself, so delaying the exchange might tempt him. And UR dragon to me is what happens to a dragon that never gets defeated. Bet the ruins we see are what's left of his world, and that's why there's always an URD, bc countless worlds also perish under Dragons that never meet their match. All the spots we have to hit at are from hearts it never gave back.
Bitterblack Isle is one of those places between worlds like the arena you fight the Ur dragon so any Arisen there who stays too long may risk being trapped should their dragon choose another who kills that dragon. Should they leave that Isle they too will rapidly age to dust if they are old enough, which is a rather horrific thing to think about. Remember Ashe wanted the cycle to end and hated every aspect of it as it took everything he loved from him so it makes sense his twisted granting of that wish would yield a chunk of the world outside the cycle. Both a refuge from the cycle but also a twisted prison enveloped in the cycle giving him what he wanted in the most cruel of ways.
Im gonna be honest and point out that you're forgetting a very important piece of lore. Specifically with the Everfall. It is stated that there are multiple parallel worlds, connected by the rift. The Everfall is essentially the gateway through the rift to the Seneschal tied to that world. The dragon and the powers of the rift, cross boundless worlds. The Dragons Bargain is an offer to fufill their materialistic wish. For most Arisen, that wish is power and wealth, typical adventurers desires. The will to sacrifice you closest bond to see your desire made reality. It's a test to see what drives you to confront the dragon. Its the final test from the dragon to see if you're q worthy candidate to replace the current Seneschal. So when Ashe, fueled by his greif and rage, channeled his resolve into a single desire to break the very rules of the world, he became a creature that could defy them.... a dragon, twisted by rage and his desire for destruction. The dragon, who has powers from the rift and beyond, can instill that same power into others, and that was the bargain made, and this enacted. The power of the dragon was so strong, that even after Ashe's soul passed on, his body, twisted and deformed by the dragon, still continued to act. Part of his abilities was to create a place that was able to branch out and exist in multiple worlds at the same time, for his desire to destroy the cycle, would include subverting the cycle of arisen and dragon. Even allowing him to twist other Arisen and pawns, into monsters unlike himself. Thus we discovered Bitterblack Isle.
I don’t see how I “forgot” to include something that wasn’t necessary to the video, but that’s another great example of what the bargain’s power could do!
Essentially Bitterblack Isle is a cancer upon the Rift then, a world that selfishly hordes the resources necessary for the Cycle to continue so as to eventually collapse the system altogether Daimon did get his wish, power to shatter the cycle of the world. It's just unfortunate that it would take far too long for it to work, leaving him to stew in resentment and misery until the day came that the worlds collapsed
I'm only sorry it took me this long to make time to watch. I'm very happy to see more Dragon's Dogma content! Though having just gotten Kingdoms of Amalur again, I'll have to go watch those videos too now. lol There's a lot to unpack here. There absolutely could be multiple Arisen vying for control or even abusing the bargain. Fair to say Edmun was intending on taking our bargain to increase his power as Leonart did in the ancient past. I look forward to more of whatever you feel like putting out. God bless you. 😃
@@lordoflore9761 Edmun parallels Godking Leonart who is known to have managed to take two bargains, the second making him King of the entire mainland continent, and attempted to claim a third before Savan thwarted him. Interestingly it's heavily implied that Leonart paid his second bargain with Savan's father as the sacrifice. If you talk to the Duke before facing Grigori he'll tell you straight-up that challenging the dragon means challenging him. The implication is that his whole Wyrm Hunt and trying to send you off on an expedition were nothing more than his attempts to either kill you or at least delay you long enough for him to claim a second bargain. Interestingly the source material for the above also shares the origin of the Tainted Mountain. 1,000 years before Savan (950 before Leonart) a King had the wise idea to build his kingdom in a volcano. It lasted for only 100 years before a dragon destroyed it and left the place uninhabitable. According to the book no one ever even attempted to resettle there. So The Dragonforged at least doesn't hail from there. But whether he's a king or commoner? That's another mystery altogether. Funnily enough there's some evidence to suggest he or The Fool could be the mysterious Weaponsmith both Caxton and Madeleine try to seek idols to buy from...
We learn that the Dragon is a recruitment agent for the Senaschal, so why would he not send a dragon for each big area of the world to increase the chance of a viable candidate? It's clearly uncommon an arisen even kills the dragon, let alone make it all the way to meet the seneschal.
Correct. Although dialogue indicates that Grigori’s the only dragon in whatever land Gransys and the neighboring provinces occupy, the sheer amount of Arisen in Bitterblack indicate that some of them may not only be from other dimensions, but also other lands. Cuz otherwise there’s a couple hundred Grigoris out there wondering where the heck their Arisen went😂
i think the lore will be largely improved in the next installment. i heard this game got 60% of cut content. imagine if we got the full taste of this game.
I believe there is only one dragon, and while there can be multiple arisen connected to the same dragon, the ones in the bitterblack isle are not of the same time. It is hinted at all over Bitterblack Isles that the arisen that come there are all from different times, as Bitterblack Isles exists outside of time itself, in a sense. Meaning all Arisen on the isle are Arisen either from different worlds connected by the rift, or even different Arisen from the past and future.
When it comes to the bargain, it is not *specifically* the death of the arisen’s love interest. The bargain is the complete and utter sacrifice of all aspects of control. It’s the bargain that the Seneschal gives; give all things up, and become who you are destined to be by fighting the dragon, or leaving it all in “peace”. Also there is always *one* main dragon summoned to a given world 😵💫
That was kinda confusing since I never play Dragon's Dogma lol. It looks fun to play and I always watch videos bout it on RUclips. The gameplay looks amazing as well but I'll just wait til Dragon's Dogma 2 to come out.
There have always been multiple Arisen in a given cycle, and though it's almost assuredly a pointedly alternate reality, Dragon's Dogma Online is flush with a glut of them. More important to the main plot, though, something tells me the competition to power, or even perhaps a conspiratorial covenant of Arisen to maintain the cycle, will likely be big plot points in Dragon's Dogma 2. Even the promo material has made a big deal of multiple Arisen working together for a kingdom; that's most assuredly not nothing.
The bargain is like the only concept i understood from the story, everything else just went over my head. Im learning stuff as i replay doing chalenges, but i still dont know why everything goes to hell after grigori, or wtf is the goal of salvation or any other other villain in the game. I actually understand Julien goal and some other backstories but it seems stuff barely connect or have any relation, like is the seneschal the maker ?, what are the idols representing are there multiple forbidden gods besides the seneschal ?
Senechal god-like Throne is a lonely life, full of duty to manage the world. lonely and alone until the Senechal got replace. I better be dead and reborn as human. Fighting between arisen for the Senechal throne is ridiculous.
first was the princess and second playthrough i spoke to no one to find out what would happen.. because i gave the silver totem to the blacksmith i got him as the beloved feckin game..
i got fornival as my "beloved" once, and i had to weigh if i wanted to save him or not, i did but not because i wanted a whale on top of me, but i use the dragon as a 100% dragon forge
It's not like the Seneschal can really do a whole lot, his whole purpose is just to act as fuel for the rift to continue existing It doesn't matter who sits on the throne, just that someone bears a strong enough will that would enable them to sit on the throne for a long time
Neither fans nor in-game context supports that. He said he faced the dragon, and he used to have a spear, but then he just left. What the lore indicates is that he fought Grigori until his weapon broke, so he then resorted to using his fists (which is why his arms are dragonforged). However, he was unable to slay the dragon or end the stalemate, so he left to train other Arisens who would seek him out
@@lordoflore9761when you objectively look at the arisen who actually fight the dragon even if they lose/unable to defeat or slay the dragon and then face the senischal are some of the best people a litteral entire world has to offer like those are the true heros the truly great people who you'd want to save you. Even if they did fail like the dragon forged he never forgot his mission and trained new arisen to do what he can not...mad respect for all those who died to defeat the dragon, for those like the dragon forged who continues ever onward and a bow and prayer for the ones who make it to the end and sacrifice themselves to keep the cycle..
I'm thinking from the outset this video is clearly too short given how much the dragon forged potentially complicates things.... maybe the author just admits it to be a mystery, lets watch!
Meh, he clearly couldn't have merely failed because the dragon would surely have killed them if so, it wouldn't even need to best him in combat to achieve such.
It’s debatable whether the Seneschal is over all the different realms or just his/her own. With gameplay and lore being so connected (other files’ and other players’ world considered being different dimensions, with the Ur-Dragon capable of existing in multiple), it seems that the Seneschal is per dimension. I doubt that means we’ll see any Seneschal teaming up or anything, because outside of game mechanics the story is mainly situated around its own world.
@lordoflore9761 with the seneschal being other players, i think he rules over everything inside the rift (maybe minus bbi because it's some kind of corruption). Also, i found some other things i don't exaclty agree with the video, for example nowhere is said that the dragon forge didn't die, but it is possible that once the first arisen of a world loses, the seneschal revives him in a state of undeath in order to guide the newly arisens. This would fit with what the dragonforged sais and also with how the dragon speaks to you once you make your choice, being that "either it's death, or life beyond."
@lordoflore9761 amd by "ruler of everything inside the rift" i mean that it's possible that there is a godly being ruling outside of the rift. It's just a theory, but it's backed by many things, for example: the origin of the name seneschal, wich is the role of those who took care of the houses of rich people in medieval times, sort of like a head butler; The fact that the seneschal himself says that he can't see the start or end of the cycle, implying that either it doesn't exist or that there is one but only a being superior to him (and us) can see it.
Are you asking what happens if you fall in love with your pawn and sacrifice them (that seems to be what happened to Duke Edmun), or if your love is somehow reincarnated as a pawn?
@@lordoflore9761 I am wondering that if the beloved (pawn or not) were to be sacrificed. The cycle turns them into a pawn. As a pawn's ultimate goal is to the bestowal of spirit -- a heart. The mark on the heart signifies a theft of an Arisen's humanity, perhaps the mark on the hand signifies a theft of trust and love.
The problem with the decision for me is that I didn't even understand its criteria 😭all of a sudden goth lolita Selene is my true love when in all honesty i woulda preferred Madeleine or Mercedes💀 I want to make a new character but I don't want to delete my character
You can gain the ability to change how your character looks by speaking to the rift crystal merchant in the post-dragon Encampment (there are two items, the more expensive one adds the option to the main menu permanently), and you can get a different Beloved on new game plus (it's the highest friendship value on any NPC, and if there's a tie, it's the last one you talked to before reaching the boss fight in Deny Salvation).
Why does the Dragonforged die and crumble to dust through Grigori's death? We see at the beginning of the game Grigori being spawned from the Rift, in the exact same cutscene that plays with the Arisen PC dies in the battle against the Seneschal, meaning that Grigori himself is an Arisen that faced the Seneschal, meaning that the Dragonforged should have no connection to his fate. For that matter, why does Edmund age either? Again, Grigori was born from the Rift at the start of the game, so how can he and Edmund have any direct connection?
This appearance out of the Rift is not following Grigori’s defeat from the Seneschal. If an Arisen takes the bargain, the dragon leaves the physical world for a period of time until seeking a new Arisen.
Like pawns, Arisen without hearts neither age or suffer illness. When you kill Grigori not only is your own heart returned to you, but the duke's and the Dragonforged get their hearts returned to them as well. (Grigori took their hearts before he took yours.) They then aged rapidly to the age that they actually are. The Dragonforged turned to dust because age wise he should have been dead a long time ago. The Dragonforged tried to fight the dragon, but lost. (You can see his hands are charred) While the duke took Grigori's bargain and Grigori left the world for a time.
@@RevanX77 Yes, but we don't know exactly how long he's been a dragon except that it was likely a long time. Savan killed his dragon, defeated the Seneschal and became the new Seneschal. Grigori was an Arisen who defeated the next dragon, but failed to beat Savan; hence he became the next one. The Dragonforged became an Arisen after him, and attempted to fight Grigori, but failed so he decided to offer advice to the Arisen who will try after him. The Duke Edmund became an Arisen after him, but took the bargain instead of fighting Grigori. You; become the next Arisen chosen by Grigori. Both the duke and the dragonforged were made Arisen by Grigori, but neither defeated him so he still has their hearts. They're failed Arisen so Grigori has to find someone else. It isn't until after you kill him that all the hearts he's stolen are returned to their owners, and they age according to the time that's passed.
Basically the DragonForge crumble to dust because he had taken the dragon's bargain and lived for many years over hundreds if I'm not mistaken and the duke also took the bargain by sacrificing his beloved. So when the Arisen defeated the Dragon not only did the arisen get their heart back but also the duke and DragonForge got theirs back to which cause the Duke to grow old and the DragonForge crumbles to dust.
There are multiple worlds according to canon lore. The Bitterblack Isle is a multidimensional nexus that attracts Arisen from different worlds to their death. Ashe was originally from a different world. The rift is also connected to different worlds. There are also other Seneschal of those worlds. They are the keepers of their worlds.
That makes sense actually.
Im not entirely sure if BBI is to attract arisen to their deaths, I think youre right about it attracting them but Daimon inside of the throne room being an arisen himself makes me wonder if the endless dungeon is meant to drive the dragonblighted mad or corrupt them in some way to turn them into the disfigured grigori demons. If there's seneschals(god) there could be a technical "satan" trying to take arisen off their intended path to become god and turn them into an all powerful demonic pawn.
I could be wrong but grigori doesnt happen without the seneschal basically telling him to go out and find new arisen, so its just weird to me that daimon randomly transformed
Edit:Another reason I dont think BBI is meant to kill arisen, its chock full of wakestones meant to keep arisen alive.
@@benginaldclocker2891 Makes since why their are so many pawns. The mystery surrounding the pawns may just be that they are what remain of a fallen arisen. We're using recycled pawns. lol
Plus DD2 is set in a different world apparently
Its crazy to think the when they were making Dragons Dogma they had to scrap 60% of the game because of budget cuts. I wonder what Dragons Dogma could look like now if that never happened.
I know! There were gonna be elves, dwarves, you name it!
We were supposed to go to THE MOON! 😭
@@kohaiame2691 dude W H A T , the moon?? hly sht I missed that one wow
@@ZeroReaver11 Yeah, there was going to be a moon dungeon, and that's where the final fight against the Seneschal was supposed to take place.
Hopefully they add that scrap 60% into Dragon's Dogma 2 with its announcement.
Dragon receives: Fournival
I receive: freedom
You can KEEP HIM!
The Dragon's Bargain is basically the Berserk's Behelit.
Daimon himself says "I have seen the scattering of countless myriad souls... they gather and flow to become as the river of time, expanding to fill the firmament.", just like the afterlife in berserk.
You could say that the one behind the Seneschal is something akin to the [REDACTED] in berserk, the endless could be this source of power.
Dragon's dogma is one hell of a adaptation of Berserk.
Not really the same no, if you are referring to the hell that consumes apostles and victims of sacrifice, then it's not the same thing as the afterlife of DD. Transition into the afterlife seems to be something capable of being a pretty peaceful experience as seen with Selene's arisen (her "grandma") and with Savan as well. A very different concept from Berserk's horrifying stream of souls
"That fat merchant" got me wheezing. Also with all the content and humor. I must say: you are criminally undersubscribed, oh and well done yet again
Haha, thanks so much!
I’m glad my little experiment with more humor was appreciated :)
@@lordoflore9761 hi good youtube video about dragon dogma tipps . i like your videos about kingdoms of amalur and dragon dogma. . i have news for you. is come 2 new role playing games crimson desert and arise of awakener are like dragon dogma . we wait so long for dragon dogma 2 .
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I wish I had the fat merchant cause I got that kid because I helped his family get their home back.
The fat merchant has a name and his name is Fournival!
I usually turn down the Dragon’s Bargain in both Dragon’s Dogma 1 and 2 because I’m not a cold hearted asshole like Edmund who sacrificed his lover just so he can be duke. And besides, if another Arisen slays then Dragon if I took the Dragon’s Bargain, then he would return my heart and cause me to either age as an old man or turn into dust depending on how long I live as an Arisen.
Barroch is still alive and well and young because BBI is a island that is said to be a place uneffected by time and BBI be accessed via different realities.
Thats is why we find so many Arisen from other worlds lying dead in BBI. Barroch isnt from the same world as the player, he is an Arisen from another timeline and Daimons dark magic is preventing time from effecting BBI, thats why Barroch and Orla, after she becomes human can live on BBI without aging.
Stuff like this make me dearly wish Dragons's Dogma Online saw an official release outside of Japan, especially as the premise has player Arisens fighting in service of a dragon instead of against one, the dragon in question being shown to be on humanity's side.
Man, I wish I could learn more about DD Online. Got any links or know where I can find out about its story?
@@lordoflore9761 There's a wikidot for the game that translations for some of the game's content and story, but the vast majority of it still remains unworked or untranslated.
this is why I always give the Arisens bond to the character I WANT to be loved by my character right before I do the mission where you take down Elysion
I didnt took dragons offer...
When everything ended "my beloved" happily exclaimed "They’re masterworks, all. You can’t go wrong." ... and proceeded to happily upgrade weapons i got from the dragon.
And now as i am exploring Everfall i have to ferrystone to Cassardis every time i want to upgrade a weapon.
I would love to see a battle between multiple arisen it would be epic. If another dogma game comes out I would love to know more about the old gods and there role before the arisen took mantle of god.
Definitely, and with the dragon’s bargain being what it is, the possibilities are limitless!
Good news
Pvp in dragons dogma online?
I hope that in the sequel the story revolves around the broken cycle and how this affects the world from now on, how it lays the ground for new villains, how the new arisen will have a different role in this changed world etc.
I have news
To me, every world has its own Dragon that goes around collecting a lot of Arisen's hearts in that same world. It's like other battles are being fought in other places, Mercedes' country is even afraid it gets to them soon.
So one dragon for every world, gathering as much hearts as it can in the hopes that all these things match. It's like a test. Someone who's able and brave enough to face and harm a dragon? Check. Someone who has indeed grown in power so that it can challenge the dragon? Check. Someone who's neither a coward for fearing death or by giving up an innocent loved one's life? Check. Someone who's able to defeat the dragon? Check. Someone who consents to become the Senenchal despite its weight and can also best him as he were before being senenchal? Check.
If there's only one Senenchal, then Daimon and BBI can be from just another world that somehow we can get through via boat, and my theory is that Daimon damned his world by becoming what he became.
BBI is literally making the job of the Dragon and others more difficult because he's gathering good candidates to become Senenchal and killing them in his Island. As in, maybe he knews that to break the cycle of eternal return, the senenchal has to kill itself, so delaying the exchange might tempt him.
And UR dragon to me is what happens to a dragon that never gets defeated. Bet the ruins we see are what's left of his world, and that's why there's always an URD, bc countless worlds also perish under Dragons that never meet their match. All the spots we have to hit at are from hearts it never gave back.
Damm that explanation makes the most sense!
This is just proof DD has one of the most METAL lores of any ARPG
I also take it as proof that into free fits the game
Oh yes my dear Fournival... I took the bargain right there and then.
“A-You can save Fournival, or B, you can-“
“B!”
“…You didn’t even hear-“
“B!!!”
Bitterblack Isle is one of those places between worlds like the arena you fight the Ur dragon so any Arisen there who stays too long may risk being trapped should their dragon choose another who kills that dragon. Should they leave that Isle they too will rapidly age to dust if they are old enough, which is a rather horrific thing to think about. Remember Ashe wanted the cycle to end and hated every aspect of it as it took everything he loved from him so it makes sense his twisted granting of that wish would yield a chunk of the world outside the cycle. Both a refuge from the cycle but also a twisted prison enveloped in the cycle giving him what he wanted in the most cruel of ways.
Im gonna be honest and point out that you're forgetting a very important piece of lore. Specifically with the Everfall.
It is stated that there are multiple parallel worlds, connected by the rift.
The Everfall is essentially the gateway through the rift to the Seneschal tied to that world.
The dragon and the powers of the rift, cross boundless worlds.
The Dragons Bargain is an offer to fufill their materialistic wish. For most Arisen, that wish is power and wealth, typical adventurers desires. The will to sacrifice you closest bond to see your desire made reality. It's a test to see what drives you to confront the dragon. Its the final test from the dragon to see if you're q worthy candidate to replace the current Seneschal.
So when Ashe, fueled by his greif and rage, channeled his resolve into a single desire to break the very rules of the world, he became a creature that could defy them.... a dragon, twisted by rage and his desire for destruction. The dragon, who has powers from the rift and beyond, can instill that same power into others, and that was the bargain made, and this enacted. The power of the dragon was so strong, that even after Ashe's soul passed on, his body, twisted and deformed by the dragon, still continued to act.
Part of his abilities was to create a place that was able to branch out and exist in multiple worlds at the same time, for his desire to destroy the cycle, would include subverting the cycle of arisen and dragon. Even allowing him to twist other Arisen and pawns, into monsters unlike himself. Thus we discovered Bitterblack Isle.
I don’t see how I “forgot” to include something that wasn’t necessary to the video, but that’s another great example of what the bargain’s power could do!
Essentially Bitterblack Isle is a cancer upon the Rift then, a world that selfishly hordes the resources necessary for the Cycle to continue so as to eventually collapse the system altogether
Daimon did get his wish, power to shatter the cycle of the world. It's just unfortunate that it would take far too long for it to work, leaving him to stew in resentment and misery until the day came that the worlds collapsed
I'm only sorry it took me this long to make time to watch. I'm very happy to see more Dragon's Dogma content!
Though having just gotten Kingdoms of Amalur again, I'll have to go watch those videos too now. lol
There's a lot to unpack here. There absolutely could be multiple Arisen vying for control or even abusing the bargain. Fair to say Edmun was intending on taking our bargain to increase his power as Leonart did in the ancient past.
I look forward to more of whatever you feel like putting out.
God bless you. 😃
Whoa, never thought about Edmun trying to take the bargain again, nice!
@@lordoflore9761 Edmun parallels Godking Leonart who is known to have managed to take two bargains, the second making him King of the entire mainland continent, and attempted to claim a third before Savan thwarted him.
Interestingly it's heavily implied that Leonart paid his second bargain with Savan's father as the sacrifice.
If you talk to the Duke before facing Grigori he'll tell you straight-up that challenging the dragon means challenging him.
The implication is that his whole Wyrm Hunt and trying to send you off on an expedition were nothing more than his attempts to either kill you or at least delay you long enough for him to claim a second bargain.
Interestingly the source material for the above also shares the origin of the Tainted Mountain.
1,000 years before Savan (950 before Leonart) a King had the wise idea to build his kingdom in a volcano. It lasted for only 100 years before a dragon destroyed it and left the place uninhabitable. According to the book no one ever even attempted to resettle there.
So The Dragonforged at least doesn't hail from there.
But whether he's a king or commoner? That's another mystery altogether.
Funnily enough there's some evidence to suggest he or The Fool could be the mysterious Weaponsmith both Caxton and Madeleine try to seek idols to buy from...
Grigori: Talks.
Ovaries: Explode.
We learn that the Dragon is a recruitment agent for the Senaschal, so why would he not send a dragon for each big area of the world to increase the chance of a viable candidate? It's clearly uncommon an arisen even kills the dragon, let alone make it all the way to meet the seneschal.
Correct. Although dialogue indicates that Grigori’s the only dragon in whatever land Gransys and the neighboring provinces occupy, the sheer amount of Arisen in Bitterblack indicate that some of them may not only be from other dimensions, but also other lands.
Cuz otherwise there’s a couple hundred Grigoris out there wondering where the heck their Arisen went😂
The world would probably get destroyed to shit! And whos to say for some odd reason the dragons dont beef with each other too.
i think the lore will be largely improved in the next installment. i heard this game got 60% of cut content. imagine if we got the full taste of this game.
Such a fun game, really enjoyed getting the Platinum Trophy back on PS3. Great video.☘
Thank you!
I believe there is only one dragon, and while there can be multiple arisen connected to the same dragon, the ones in the bitterblack isle are not of the same time. It is hinted at all over Bitterblack Isles that the arisen that come there are all from different times, as Bitterblack Isles exists outside of time itself, in a sense. Meaning all Arisen on the isle are Arisen either from different worlds connected by the rift, or even different Arisen from the past and future.
When it comes to the bargain, it is not *specifically* the death of the arisen’s love interest. The bargain is the complete and utter sacrifice of all aspects of control. It’s the bargain that the Seneschal gives; give all things up, and become who you are destined to be by fighting the dragon, or leaving it all in “peace”.
Also there is always *one* main dragon summoned to a given world 😵💫
Maybe there are multiple dragons simply because there's more than one Seneschal.
Huh, never heard that theory before! Interesting idea…
And since they just announced the sequel is in development right now we just have to wait for possible some of these answers.
I know, can’t wait :)
That was kinda confusing since I never play Dragon's Dogma lol. It looks fun to play and I always watch videos bout it on RUclips. The gameplay looks amazing as well but I'll just wait til Dragon's Dogma 2 to come out.
There have always been multiple Arisen in a given cycle, and though it's almost assuredly a pointedly alternate reality, Dragon's Dogma Online is flush with a glut of them.
More important to the main plot, though, something tells me the competition to power, or even perhaps a conspiratorial covenant of Arisen to maintain the cycle, will likely be big plot points in Dragon's Dogma 2. Even the promo material has made a big deal of multiple Arisen working together for a kingdom; that's most assuredly not nothing.
The bargain is like the only concept i understood from the story, everything else just went over my head. Im learning stuff as i replay doing chalenges, but i still dont know why everything goes to hell after grigori, or wtf is the goal of salvation or any other other villain in the game. I actually understand Julien goal and some other backstories but it seems stuff barely connect or have any relation, like is the seneschal the maker ?, what are the idols representing are there multiple forbidden gods besides the seneschal ?
No hate do old Gregory, but by what mechanism did you determan that i'd actually wanna see Fornival live at thise stage of the game?
Imagine PvP, Arisen players fighting over a dragon to kill.
That would be cool!
ranged classes would be OP
Senechal god-like Throne is a lonely life, full of duty to manage the world. lonely and alone until the Senechal got replace.
I better be dead and reborn as human.
Fighting between arisen for the Senechal throne is ridiculous.
first was the princess and second playthrough i spoke to no one to find out what would happen.. because i gave the silver totem to the blacksmith i got him as the beloved feckin game..
Lmao
Coming here since DD2 is coming out next month
i got fornival as my "beloved" once, and i had to weigh if i wanted to save him or not, i did but not because i wanted a whale on top of me, but i use the dragon as a 100% dragon forge
Or you save him for those infinite periapts
What if a Evil person Becomes the Senecial
Namely us Who Abuse kills NPCs on a Daily basis just for Laughs and Kicks....
It's not like the Seneschal can really do a whole lot, his whole purpose is just to act as fuel for the rift to continue existing
It doesn't matter who sits on the throne, just that someone bears a strong enough will that would enable them to sit on the throne for a long time
Wull you go over some of the lore from the failed Dragon Dogma MMORPG?
Um… perhaps, but I wouldn’t know where to start looking for sources. All I know about the game is that it exists and I’ve seen a few gameplay vids.
Dragonforge ran from the dragon, never confronted him.
Neither fans nor in-game context supports that. He said he faced the dragon, and he used to have a spear, but then he just left. What the lore indicates is that he fought Grigori until his weapon broke, so he then resorted to using his fists (which is why his arms are dragonforged). However, he was unable to slay the dragon or end the stalemate, so he left to train other Arisens who would seek him out
@@lordoflore9761when you objectively look at the arisen who actually fight the dragon even if they lose/unable to defeat or slay the dragon and then face the senischal are some of the best people a litteral entire world has to offer like those are the true heros the truly great people who you'd want to save you. Even if they did fail like the dragon forged he never forgot his mission and trained new arisen to do what he can not...mad respect for all those who died to defeat the dragon, for those like the dragon forged who continues ever onward and a bow and prayer for the ones who make it to the end and sacrifice themselves to keep the cycle..
What about dragons dogma online lore?
It's a selection process against responsible seneschals right?
I'm thinking from the outset this video is clearly too short given how much the dragon forged potentially complicates things.... maybe the author just admits it to be a mystery, lets watch!
Meh, he clearly couldn't have merely failed because the dragon would surely have killed them if so, it wouldn't even need to best him in combat to achieve such.
Aren't there just parallel universes that the senischal controlls over?
It’s debatable whether the Seneschal is over all the different realms or just his/her own. With gameplay and lore being so connected (other files’ and other players’ world considered being different dimensions, with the Ur-Dragon capable of existing in multiple), it seems that the Seneschal is per dimension.
I doubt that means we’ll see any Seneschal teaming up or anything, because outside of game mechanics the story is mainly situated around its own world.
@lordoflore9761 with the seneschal being other players, i think he rules over everything inside the rift (maybe minus bbi because it's some kind of corruption).
Also, i found some other things i don't exaclty agree with the video, for example nowhere is said that the dragon forge didn't die, but it is possible that once the first arisen of a world loses, the seneschal revives him in a state of undeath in order to guide the newly arisens.
This would fit with what the dragonforged sais and also with how the dragon speaks to you once you make your choice, being that "either it's death, or life beyond."
@lordoflore9761 amd by "ruler of everything inside the rift" i mean that it's possible that there is a godly being ruling outside of the rift.
It's just a theory, but it's backed by many things, for example: the origin of the name seneschal, wich is the role of those who took care of the houses of rich people in medieval times, sort of like a head butler;
The fact that the seneschal himself says that he can't see the start or end of the cycle, implying that either it doesn't exist or that there is one but only a being superior to him (and us) can see it.
Many dragons.
what if pawns are sacrified beloved?
Are you asking what happens if you fall in love with your pawn and sacrifice them (that seems to be what happened to Duke Edmun), or if your love is somehow reincarnated as a pawn?
@@lordoflore9761 I am wondering that if the beloved (pawn or not) were to be sacrificed.
The cycle turns them into a pawn. As a pawn's ultimate goal is to the bestowal of spirit -- a heart.
The mark on the heart signifies a theft of an Arisen's humanity, perhaps the mark on the hand signifies a theft of trust and love.
The problem with the decision for me is that I didn't even understand its criteria 😭all of a sudden goth lolita Selene is my true love when in all honesty i woulda preferred Madeleine or Mercedes💀
I want to make a new character but I don't want to delete my character
You can gain the ability to change how your character looks by speaking to the rift crystal merchant in the post-dragon Encampment (there are two items, the more expensive one adds the option to the main menu permanently), and you can get a different Beloved on new game plus (it's the highest friendship value on any NPC, and if there's a tie, it's the last one you talked to before reaching the boss fight in Deny Salvation).
Uuuuh look it up?
Why does the Dragonforged die and crumble to dust through Grigori's death? We see at the beginning of the game Grigori being spawned from the Rift, in the exact same cutscene that plays with the Arisen PC dies in the battle against the Seneschal, meaning that Grigori himself is an Arisen that faced the Seneschal, meaning that the Dragonforged should have no connection to his fate.
For that matter, why does Edmund age either? Again, Grigori was born from the Rift at the start of the game, so how can he and Edmund have any direct connection?
This appearance out of the Rift is not following Grigori’s defeat from the Seneschal. If an Arisen takes the bargain, the dragon leaves the physical world for a period of time until seeking a new Arisen.
Like pawns, Arisen without hearts neither age or suffer illness. When you kill Grigori not only is your own heart returned to you, but the duke's and the Dragonforged get their hearts returned to them as well. (Grigori took their hearts before he took yours.) They then aged rapidly to the age that they actually are. The Dragonforged turned to dust because age wise he should have been dead a long time ago.
The Dragonforged tried to fight the dragon, but lost. (You can see his hands are charred) While the duke took Grigori's bargain and Grigori left the world for a time.
@@kohaiame2691 But how can Grigori be the same dragon that stole the Dragonforged's heart? Grigori was once an Arisen as well.
@@RevanX77 Yes, but we don't know exactly how long he's been a dragon except that it was likely a long time.
Savan killed his dragon, defeated the Seneschal and became the new Seneschal. Grigori was an Arisen who defeated the next dragon, but failed to beat Savan; hence he became the next one. The Dragonforged became an Arisen after him, and attempted to fight Grigori, but failed so he decided to offer advice to the Arisen who will try after him. The Duke Edmund became an Arisen after him, but took the bargain instead of fighting Grigori. You; become the next Arisen chosen by Grigori.
Both the duke and the dragonforged were made Arisen by Grigori, but neither defeated him so he still has their hearts. They're failed Arisen so Grigori has to find someone else. It isn't until after you kill him that all the hearts he's stolen are returned to their owners, and they age according to the time that's passed.
Basically the DragonForge crumble to dust because he had taken the dragon's bargain and lived for many years over hundreds if I'm not mistaken and the duke also took the bargain by sacrificing his beloved. So when the Arisen defeated the Dragon not only did the arisen get their heart back but also the duke and DragonForge got theirs back to which cause the Duke to grow old and the DragonForge crumbles to dust.
this just sounds like plot holes