I feel like the diplomat and the circular chess board need to be played with separately. Both additions alone make Chess far more interesting, but I want to see them played individually.
@@Rexvivor that would still require altering the board substantially, chess boards are 8x8 so either it would be off center, it wouldn’t align to the grid, or the dimensions of the entire board would have to be changed
@@zackbuildit88 diplomat chess is literally named after the diplomat piece, which has several nuances and uses that alone would shake up normal chess. The circular chess board adds another layer of complexity that distracts from that, and should be used in it's own game.
Him: You may suborn any piece- Me: * Starts suborning the king. * Him: -except for the king. Me: * sighs * fine. Also me: * Starts suborning the diplomat. *
Well one move I can think of is if you move your diplomat to a square where any opponent piece and diplomat is accessible. If you suborn the piece so that it puts the king in check, they'll have to take care of that first. And then now you have room to suborn their diplomat
I don't know professional chess, so honestly that move looked fake. Since when can you just chose to move a pawn diagonally when not capturing? And I need to look up this castling thing apparently
I think the diplomat would be a game changer in normal chess. Just imagine changing the flanking Rook, Bishop, Etc. to save the king and getting a new teammate at the cost of the highly mobile queen
Very fair point, plus if chess had lore it could make some sense as the kjng would be like " why would I risk my wife getting killed?" So instead he gets a very clever and convincing diplomat to bribe nearby enemies with education.
And then they sac their knight for the diplomat. Leaving your opponent with the only diplomat on the board, giving them the advantage. Because of the diplomat's ability, I would value it the same as the queen, despite the lack of movement capabilities, it is an excellent piece because it can give you a significant material advantage without removing any piece from the board, as such you should protect it at all costs against long range pieces.
@@Bigzthegreat the Knight is great in the center because it can attack any square in the first two circles. This is unlike the Bishop and Rook which can only attack unobstructed squares
You could think of it either as someone convincing the other side to join your cause, as the name "diplomat" would suggest, but you could also think of it as you forcefully subverting the will of the piece and taking control of it to kill who they look up to. Either pacifistic and noble, or cruel and brutal.
I can imagine the amount of times you move a piece into a different ring and suddenly a rook does a 180° across the board cause you forgot they could do that
I would argue whether the move on 1:01 makes the pawn closer to the starting point of the opposing king. It is true geometrically speaking (if you simply measure distance between cell centers with a ruler), but in the metric of the board itself the central field is closer for a pawn to its target than the one on the side: the pawn can reach the destination from the center in 3 moves, but it takes at least 4 moves (5 if you're not allowed to return to the center) from the black field on the side. So, I think it's worth mentioning in the rules that 'closer' should be understood in the purely geometrical sense here.
Any move that I think is towards the king basically through the middle is the middle, which all 5 spaces forward are closer assuming we're going from middle of the space
If I understood correctly then, apart from being adjacent to 7 other spaces, it works like a regular space. So only one piece and you may capture from and in it
Because in chess cavalry don't exist, the horses just know how to kick the enemy where it hurts to kill them, "sigma horse grindset" is what any knight in chess would tell ya when you ask them how they attack without cavalry.
1:15 This rule doesn't actually seem to be true. ONLY exiting the circle at the top puts the pawn closer to the king than it was before. Exiting to the squares to the side, the way you showed, puts the pawn at the same distance it was already at when it was in the circle.
the whole idea of 'pawns can only move closer to the kings initial position' is hilariously poorly thought out and implemented, this entire chess variant feels kinda stupid in general honestly
@@empty5013 I honestly think the circular board idea is pretty good and interesting though the pawn movement is indeed very scuffed up, I also saw another variant with a circular board but there bishops were extremely underpowered while rooks were op, meanwhile here they are sorta on the same level just like in regular chess. Plus the concept of the diplomat is very interesting and fun.
I'm not actually good at chess but have a lot of fun playing around. A far easier way to use the diplomat would be: Take regular chess. Replace the two pawns in the middle of each player with a diplomat. A diplomat moves one step diagonally or forward and captures like a pawn. However, a capture replaces the diplomat with the captured piece of the other color, e.g. if a black diplomat captures a white knight, after capture you take the diplomat off the board and put a black knight on its place. This diplomat of course can check the king and capture en passant or be captured en passant.
Is there such a thing as Hexagonal Chess? Like normal chess except the board grid is made of Hexagons instead of squares? Cuz I feel like some cool things could be done with that.
Any pieces move more crazy then a queen in normal chess, this is insanity xDDDD I need stockfish to tell me what moves are legal and available, can't handle this game haha
Why can the knight/horse move to the center when it is standing on the outer ring? Isn't that too far away? Or does the center count as an adjacent field, so the knight moves technically to its left/right?
It gets a little weird how it's worded, but the center "square" is considered diagonally, beside, and immediately forward of every adjacent square. So the knight would move 2 squares twards the center, and 1 square 'into' the center, into acting as if the knight changed directions.
After checking out your channel, and seeing this game, I'm surprised you don't have a video explaining Dejarik (also called "holochess", the holographic chess game played in Star Wars).
I think the last part of the rules is a bit wrong. I think he meant if the same move is repeated by the same player 3 times in a row as the only move that player can take, then the game is a draw.
I like this variant a lot more than Star Trek chess. I feel it trains better for orbital combat, especially with bishops and rook movement around the rings.
The pawn capture rules are a bit unclear. Let's say you are on space A, and could move to space B, but neighboring space B is space C, with a piece you could capture. From A to B gets closer to the front, but from B to C is further away. Is capturing from A to C a legal move?
Yes. If you look at the diagram drawn when explaining pawn captures, one of the lines does point back towards that player's own starting side. As long as the target piece is adjacent to both your pawn AND to a space that pawn could legally move, it can capture there.
@@Greggorto it's a variation on the quote from the Incredibles, "and when everyone is super, no one will be..." To "and when everything is OP, nothing will be."
Stating the pawn movement rule as 'closer to the starting space of the enemy king' kinda works intuitively, but is a bit ambiguous because there are multiple paths forward, so distance to a space is not well defined. If you take it to mean _shortest_ distance then the rule doesn't work as stated (any move not towards center at best leaves shortest distance the same, and some moves from center increase shortest distance). However, if "closer" means "reduce _maximum_ (forward) distance" then this rule may work still...
The diplomat piece would be kinda broken in normal chess ngl. You effectively double the value of every capture it makes at the cost of no queen. This thing could control space with pawns like it's nothing
I heavilly doubt it would be broken, its movement being the same as the king would make it slow AF and just as easy (if not easier) to capture as the king, though if it did get into the range of an enamy piece it could give you an advantage by converting, you likely won't ever convert a rook or bishop to your side, maybe a knight if your lucky, and the dream of a suborned pawn promoting just makes the diplomat's mouth water at the thought although it would probably never happen.
So basically, if you get a rook or bishop to the center, the opposing king is screwed unless they can hide behind another piece, or the rook gets captured
Welcome to Chess 2. As the name implies, there are only 2 changes. 1. The board 2. The rules
Lol
connect 4 (it is chess2)
Edit: 3. The pieces.
@@hhhbkid most pieces stay
@@Greggorto It was smart-aleck way of saying there are more changes than the board and the rules. I know most pieces stay.
I feel like the diplomat and the circular chess board need to be played with separately. Both additions alone make Chess far more interesting, but I want to see them played individually.
But the main feature of diplomat chess is the center space? So removing the circle board from diplomat chess gets rid of its main feature too
@@zackbuildit88 chess but there's a 3x3 red space in the middle of the board
@@Rexvivor that would still require altering the board substantially, chess boards are 8x8 so either it would be off center, it wouldn’t align to the grid, or the dimensions of the entire board would have to be changed
@@zackbuildit88 diplomat chess is literally named after the diplomat piece, which has several nuances and uses that alone would shake up normal chess. The circular chess board adds another layer of complexity that distracts from that, and should be used in it's own game.
@@zackbuildit88 2x2
Him: You may suborn any piece-
Me: * Starts suborning the king. *
Him: -except for the king.
Me: * sighs * fine.
Also me: * Starts suborning the diplomat. *
Lol
this requires serious stalemate
Well one move I can think of is if you move your diplomat to a square where any opponent piece and diplomat is accessible. If you suborn the piece so that it puts the king in check, they'll have to take care of that first. And then now you have room to suborn their diplomat
@@dudono1744 discovered checks work probably
@@dandanthedandan7558 if you move to a square where an oposing piece and a diplomat are accessable they will just suborn your diplomat first.
It feels like that "control the center" thing has never been more relevant.
A Rook or Bishop against a bare King just has to reach the center and it's an unaided checkmate.
However, the center is also the most dangerous position, as it's the easiest to get to.
@@KororaPenguin man, it feels like you have to have the king completely surrounded, since you can get checked from the most absurd angles.
Just accept it -- with some games it's easier to just explain the rules than to explain how they differ from chess.
Heresy!
Monopoly is just like regular chess except instead of pawns, knights, bishops, rooks, queens, or kings, you have a battleship.
for example minecraft
@@bobafettjr85 is castling still allowed?
@@iamdigory it's called hoteling in Monopoly but yes it's still allowed.
"En passant is not allowed"
* shuts down video *
ikr
He said horse instead of knight so now I'm confused
Unholy heaven
@@phabidz it moves slightly differently from the Knight when involving the center space so it gets a different name
I don't know professional chess, so honestly that move looked fake. Since when can you just chose to move a pawn diagonally when not capturing? And I need to look up this castling thing apparently
The diplomat be like (quite literally): It is not about winning, it's about the friends we made along the way!
Perfect.
Diplomat: "It's not about victory... It’s about _THE METS BABY LOVE THE METS ALRIGHT BABY LET’S GO GET A HOME RUN BABY LOVE THE METS LET’S GO METS."_
Considering the name I like to imagine the diplomats gives some seriously good education to bribe enamy pieces to join the diplomat's army
Yes
Ah yes, the negotiator
Negotiation indeed
General kenobi
Indeed
3:45 I can't get over how the lines for the bishop looks like it got tenticals ready to eat some pieces
hikaru be like
@@desm0sgraphcalc lol
"tenticals"
RELEASE THE KRASHOP
Krashop: *religious squid noises*
"the rules are the same as regular chess except for these changes"
[continues to change all of the rules of regular chess]
I think the diplomat would be a game changer in normal chess. Just imagine changing the flanking Rook, Bishop, Etc. to save the king and getting a new teammate at the cost of the highly mobile queen
Very fair point, plus if chess had lore it could make some sense as the kjng would be like " why would I risk my wife getting killed?" So instead he gets a very clever and convincing diplomat to bribe nearby enemies with education.
As a diplomat, I can confirm that this is how we go about business
I gather that a key strategy is to get the diplomat next to the center.
And then they sac their knight for the diplomat. Leaving your opponent with the only diplomat on the board, giving them the advantage. Because of the diplomat's ability, I would value it the same as the queen, despite the lack of movement capabilities, it is an excellent piece because it can give you a significant material advantage without removing any piece from the board, as such you should protect it at all costs against long range pieces.
your knight is good to attack the center but not to occupy it. I would put a rook or bishop on it due to their ability to control the whole board.
Maybe getting your king in the center. It's pretty much impossible to checkmate it while it's there. (You'll atleast delay it by 1 turn.)
@@aaronking2020 the knight will just push you out of the center
@@Bigzthegreat the Knight is great in the center because it can attack any square in the first two circles. This is unlike the Bishop and Rook which can only attack unobstructed squares
I imagine the diplomat chanting the conversion spell from age of empires' monks.
"Wololo"
*Rook changes colours*
"Narwini"
mmmm
Was it necessary to say that en passant is not allowed when the pawns can’t even move 2 spaces? You just did it to taunt us, didn’t you?
It's for people who don't know that en passant exists because pawns can move 2 squares
The diplomat is now my new favorite piece because it's a pacifist piece (sort of).
I always thought it was like a zombie, infecting all the pieces in sight.
Ayoyoyo Wololo
Diplomat can give you 10+ material in 1 move
You could think of it either as someone convincing the other side to join your cause, as the name "diplomat" would suggest, but you could also think of it as you forcefully subverting the will of the piece and taking control of it to kill who they look up to. Either pacifistic and noble, or cruel and brutal.
It can't be killed, right?
One of the most interesting chess variants yet
This is not a chess variant.
@@qwq1017 then what is it
@@osk5830 A chess variant
@@wolflightning2331 i know, i was asking qw q what they thought it was if its not a chess variant
@@osk5830 A game.
Figuring out how the bishop moves through the center and explaining coherently is an accomplishment
I can imagine the amount of times you move a piece into a different ring and suddenly a rook does a 180° across the board cause you forgot they could do that
I would argue whether the move on 1:01 makes the pawn closer to the starting point of the opposing king. It is true geometrically speaking (if you simply measure distance between cell centers with a ruler), but in the metric of the board itself the central field is closer for a pawn to its target than the one on the side: the pawn can reach the destination from the center in 3 moves, but it takes at least 4 moves (5 if you're not allowed to return to the center) from the black field on the side. So, I think it's worth mentioning in the rules that 'closer' should be understood in the purely geometrical sense here.
Any move that I think is towards the king basically
through the middle is the middle, which all 5 spaces forward are closer assuming we're going from middle of the space
The circular board seems unnecessary to me for the core concept. I do like the idea of the queen being replaced with the diplomat, though.
The diplomat when he's near a piece of the other team: "WOLOLO!"
This is a cool converter variant! Wish others didnt just change the game slightly...
Others can often be played with the same set though
Need more info about the center. How many pieces can be placed there at the same time? Can you capture a piece that stayed in the center?
If I understood correctly then, apart from being adjacent to 7 other spaces, it works like a regular space. So only one piece and you may capture from and in it
“You may suborn a piece”
I like to imagine this like:
“Did you know our king gives free sandwiches every day?”
Enemy pice: *say no more*
my favorite part was when the diplomat said "it's subornin' time" and suborned all over those guys. truly one of the chess variants of all time.
How did you get this nice pieces (like royal horse or diplomat)
custom made, see description
"You can't touch me, Rook! One of your Pawns is in the way."
"Oh? But look behind you!"
*Rook comes barreling around the board*
Sometimes, i feel like watching videos explaining different variants of board games is better than actually playing those games
Holy crap! A new DLC for chess just dropped
The diplomat thus has the same function as a Yuri clone from Red Alert 2.
Got it.
Wow, cool Wololo reference
“The horse has the same movement as the knight”
Yeah, they’re the same.
Because in chess cavalry don't exist, the horses just know how to kick the enemy where it hurts to kill them, "sigma horse grindset" is what any knight in chess would tell ya when you ask them how they attack without cavalry.
1:15 This rule doesn't actually seem to be true. ONLY exiting the circle at the top puts the pawn closer to the king than it was before. Exiting to the squares to the side, the way you showed, puts the pawn at the same distance it was already at when it was in the circle.
The distance u need to look out for is, to the starting squares of oposing Peaces
the whole idea of 'pawns can only move closer to the kings initial position' is hilariously poorly thought out and implemented, this entire chess variant feels kinda stupid in general honestly
@@empty5013 I honestly think the circular board idea is pretty good and interesting though the pawn movement is indeed very scuffed up, I also saw another variant with a circular board but there bishops were extremely underpowered while rooks were op, meanwhile here they are sorta on the same level just like in regular chess.
Plus the concept of the diplomat is very interesting and fun.
I'm not actually good at chess but have a lot of fun playing around. A far easier way to use the diplomat would be: Take regular chess.
Replace the two pawns in the middle of each player with a diplomat. A diplomat moves one step diagonally or forward and captures like a pawn. However, a capture replaces the diplomat with the captured piece of the other color, e.g. if a black diplomat captures a white knight, after capture you take the diplomat off the board and put a black knight on its place. This diplomat of course can check the king and capture en passant or be captured en passant.
Is there such a thing as Hexagonal Chess? Like normal chess except the board grid is made of Hexagons instead of squares? Cuz I feel like some cool things could be done with that.
Invent it, and see if it works?
It's the same as chess except if you change 90% of the rules
Any pieces move more crazy then a queen in normal chess, this is insanity xDDDD
I need stockfish to tell me what moves are legal and available, can't handle this game haha
Where did you get all those chess discs? I want a set of em'
Wow, this variation is quite interesting!
Now I just need a Wookie to play with ! I've heard they are great sports !
Does anyone know if it's possible to play this variant online?
This actually seems really sick tbh
Why can the knight/horse move to the center when it is standing on the outer ring? Isn't that too far away?
Or does the center count as an adjacent field, so the knight moves technically to its left/right?
It gets a little weird how it's worded, but the center "square" is considered diagonally, beside, and immediately forward of every adjacent square. So the knight would move 2 squares twards the center, and 1 square 'into' the center, into acting as if the knight changed directions.
Ah yes, the HORSE.The Knight 2.0 0:18 2:19 3:48
After checking out your channel, and seeing this game, I'm surprised you don't have a video explaining Dejarik (also called "holochess", the holographic chess game played in Star Wars).
This means that in circular chess the rook or Bishop can checkmate alone if it’s in the Center of the bord
that is pretty interesting
3:05 a straight line that is everything but straight
Do you know where I might get pieces to play? The ones that flip to the opposite color.
I think the last part of the rules is a bit wrong. I think he meant if the same move is repeated by the same player 3 times in a row as the only move that player can take, then the game is a draw.
I like this variant a lot more than Star Trek chess. I feel it trains better for orbital combat, especially with bishops and rook movement around the rings.
0:18 wasnt it knight?
I want an online version of this
I was wondering why you called it a horse.
it reminds me of that scene from starwars a new hope where they play some sort of board game with a board like this one
5:18 or “...is repeated five times...”
Checkmate sounds so easy now. When its a King and Rook/Bishop vs Lone King, just put the Rook and he Bishop in the center and its a quick game over.
Diplomat is actally the priest that goes "wololo"
I was looking for this comment
I swear, everyone else I've ever met says that En Passant isn't a move, and i just have to shake my head at them.
The pawn capture rules are a bit unclear. Let's say you are on space A, and could move to space B, but neighboring space B is space C, with a piece you could capture. From A to B gets closer to the front, but from B to C is further away. Is capturing from A to C a legal move?
Yes. If you look at the diagram drawn when explaining pawn captures, one of the lines does point back towards that player's own starting side. As long as the target piece is adjacent to both your pawn AND to a space that pawn could legally move, it can capture there.
What are these pieces. I see him use them in every chess video, but cant find them online anywhere
How to get this font for your unicode chess pieces on chess discs?
5:09
let’s just accept it: Chess, but everything is op.
And when everything is OP...
@@irok1 ?
@@Greggorto it's a variation on the quote from the Incredibles, "and when everyone is super, no one will be..." To "and when everything is OP, nothing will be."
@@Immediately_ I’m gonna put this as a note for other comments: I have never watched the Incredibles 1
Rooks and pawns are op in the center now
Interessant
Ja, das 'diplomat' macht es sehr interessant.
"Suborn"? You couldn't call it "convert" or "convince" or something?
Here's how notated:
Diplomat: D
Conversion: (piece)b-w or (piece)w-b
Pawn move: up-one
Rooks when they reach the center of the board: I can do anything!
Stating the pawn movement rule as 'closer to the starting space of the enemy king' kinda works intuitively, but is a bit ambiguous because there are multiple paths forward, so distance to a space is not well defined. If you take it to mean _shortest_ distance then the rule doesn't work as stated (any move not towards center at best leaves shortest distance the same, and some moves from center increase shortest distance). However, if "closer" means "reduce _maximum_ (forward) distance" then this rule may work still...
He specifically noted that a pawn needn’t take the shortest line to the king, just that it has to get closer to the king than it was before its move
POV: you are about to mate but your opponent starts driving his rook in a circle till the clock runs zero
How many videos about chess variants does he have???
the chess modding scene is getting insane
where do you get the circular chess pieces?
I'm shocked. At the start of the video, he called the knight a horse
does the king move?
Yes. It moves just like a normal chess king.
When it goes into the circle,
It can go anywhere in the first inner circle.
Intresting
ha typo
and you fixed it
@@tobemutationfox7357 so?
guess he/she wants to first
The horse is called the knight
Please do
Tamerlane chess
Atomic chess
Fog of war chess
It is mandatory to say "wololo" when you suborn pieces with the Diplomat, or it won't work.
HE CALLED THE KNIGHT A HORSE, THIS IS HISTORY
Couldn't diplomat chess be played in a normal board? Just keep all normal rules and substitute the queen by the diplomat
Diplomats? Nice!
The diplomat piece would be kinda broken in normal chess ngl. You effectively double the value of every capture it makes at the cost of no queen. This thing could control space with pawns like it's nothing
I heavilly doubt it would be broken, its movement being the same as the king would make it slow AF and just as easy (if not easier) to capture as the king, though if it did get into the range of an enamy piece it could give you an advantage by converting, you likely won't ever convert a rook or bishop to your side, maybe a knight if your lucky, and the dream of a suborned pawn promoting just makes the diplomat's mouth water at the thought although it would probably never happen.
This game uses a dart board as a game board?
Patiently waiting for shogi chess in which you can summon your enemy's captured pieces on your side.
This is like a smaller version of Byzantine chess without the Queen.
Anish should try this
The rook and diplomat are probably the easiest pieces I can move hehe
The pawns just get upgraded
RUclips: *Uploaded 8 days ago*
Me: Huh... Wait
So the holy sword/the rook and bushop is op
5:15 "my rook!"
"No my rook!"
"No my rook!"
"No my rook!"
So basically, if you get a rook or bishop to the center, the opposing king is screwed unless they can hide behind another piece, or the rook gets captured
Bishop op when in the center
Diplomat suborns diplomat = pawn takes queen and promotes to queen in normal chess
Its that powerful
2:13, I think those pieces were just abducted by aliens.
Horse?
Can the diplomat piece get taken?
Of course
@@evannibbe9375 thanks
I was planning on playing this, but you said there’s no en passant