Man I used to look up to this guy. He had gave advice on making unique beats: "don't listen to anyone elses beats and just make your own in your own bubble to stay unique" . Sad to see this downfall but goes to show the cutthroat nature of the industry
@@Aywusgod Imagine paying for something you can look up easily on the internet. The only thing these workshops are good for is to meet other producers personally and have some conversations in person, exchange information and maybe work together. As harsh as it sounds but its their fault being naive. Its not like they would reveal any top secret techniques that turn you into a super producer overnight because anybody attending those workshops could go and show others how to do it after the workshop.
There are a lot of snakes out there. Worked with a producer (ayohitupfayo) making guitar loops and when I found one of the loops on a major label artists songs, I hit him up asking why I wasn't credited like we agreed.. he immediately blocked me on everything..
What’s really sad is that there’s thousands of producers out here busting their asses doing it legitly and would do anything to have pvlace’s spot, but now because of this stealing bs 808mafia is gonna have a sour taste in their mouth when it comes to recruiting more talent in the future… it’s always one person that ruins it for everyone else
@@branwithoutclaws not sure but I feel like that tracks because of the “we never made him an official 808 mafia member and he wanted to trademark 808 mafia Europe for himself without our consent” comment
The radio silence from pvlace and his team is REALLY telling given this situation has been ongoing for several weeks now. Pvlace knows he has no more legs to stand on, any statement he puts out at this point will only come back to bite him. He can't argue or threaten his way out due to the overwhelming amount of evidence and texts Gunboi has already exposed. His best strategy would be to lie low and wait for things to blow over, or fade away into irrelevancy.
The fact he called himself “the Michelangelo of melodies” makes this even more ridiculous. It should’ve been a giveaway that he barely ever showed his screen.
MG and Craftworks been called out Palace like a 2 years ago. People where saying they were hating on palace. They even called him out for stealing there low fi sauce. Then of course he denied it but they showed a screen shot of his effect chain and it was the same effects they had given out for free. Of course he tried to deny it again saying that he no longer uses that and he uses analog gear. A lot people have said he was full of bs.
I just realized… that probably means that Muezly (another young German producer) who was supposedly “signed” to 808 but is “managed” by Pvlace was probably never actually signed either 🤔🤔🤔
i don't even know what i'm doing here. i never cared and i will not begin to care about 808 mafia or any of these artists who produce the same track over and over again, but it's fascinating to see how they stress each other out for dumb shit that could have been avoided easily by just being honest and fair
@@CaptainUncle1836 sry but i just don't care about that pseudo ganxta stuff anymore. i mean that was still cool when i was 16yo, but now i'm 31 and at this point i just want to listen to music for the music and not for some artificial drama. that's why groups like 808 mafia fail to impress me, even though they seem to have some good connections in the music industry
@@CaptainUncle1836 it really isn't. but music is so much more than just the mainstream groups. everything is scattered across tons of subcultures. every one of them is a niche group with their own market and values. there is no need to appeal to random gangster trap folks in order to be successful. for those who feel that music: ok. go for it. but a lot of people seem to just choose that style because they think it's the only option and i think that's just sad
Funny thing,dudes from near my hometown im germany and was scheduled to start working at the place i used to work at,boss told us he made it big in the usa,fast forward a good year and this comes around
7:21 about that a german yt channel called "arte tracks" basically made a documentary about him and as far as I can remember there was no mention of Gunboi or any other producer to help him get to 808 Mafia. He just mentions one guy "from the darknet" to help him get southsides email adress xd
Palace the same producer that was saying how boring making music was to him at this point because no one makes “real music”anymore lmaooooooooooo then proceeds to steal beats
I would say getting a g for doing part of a beat that you didn't sell yourself is pretty good. Until I found out it's just a lowercase letter and not $1000. I may be from another era, but if I was a full-grown man in the rap 'game' and I got jacked by somebody that looks like a teenage girl, I wouldn't spread it around. He probably would just come up missing. He looks like the sort of person who should be in Big Bopper, not something called a mafia. If you make trap music that came from a trap house; how is your name Pallace? It should be Duplex, at best. Some people have no shame, or sense of culture and history. That's how we got to the point that a joker can masquerade as a king. Whatever sells is all that matters to a sell-out.
I have been talking to Pvlace at "BeatCon" a month ago and he was lookin kinda scary. After a minute i left, coz he was not able to speak relaxed and declined the smoke, tellin me, that he quit years ago. My next question would be to him about Gunboi, but now its clear. At the BeatCon was a 808 Mafia booth btw.
Big White Beatz aka maker of BWB wav drumkits is also a thief too, sold sounds that came from other popular drumkits in his own drumkits. Ask you favorite drumkit makers about it
not sure if you did a video on the southstar / oliver tree thing? I don't know if its just a marketing thing for them or what but thought it was interesting
This looks like easy money. I'm thinking of taking all your content and uploading it with the video replaced with babes playing beach volleyball. Perhaps put MH somewhere in the description.10M views here we go. 😄
Never trust germans😂😂 Palace is now on the same lvl as fynn kliemann. These 2 were on the same lvl where people look up to. Now to realise that booth are trash...Thats hard to see.
Palace talked so thankfull about being in the 808 mafia in an german interview so i cant imagine him claiming a title of 808 mafia. But the stealing thing i dont know. I think its possible but i dont think he really stole.
Oh boy you must've been pretty waisted to not remember what actually happened. You did wake up with a real horse head in your bed on the 31st. I think you must've gotten drunk immediately that morning to cope with the shock, but when I saw you later that night at the bar you were downing shots alone with the horse head still with you on the table. You were slobbering something about the "damn Germans" (I can't really repeate all the things that you said about them here if you get what I mean). Anyways, it was at that point that some dude, who was somehow even more drunk than you, came to you and asked if they could exchange their horse mask to your real horse head 🐴 So that's how you ended up with that...
How is this even a thing? Every producer who samples does this same exact thing... just because it is rearranged does not mean that it is newly created material.. idc what the sample producers have to say.. they arent awake enough to understand what i am talking about lol
Personally I never liked his beats. I don't know why many liked it and were impressed. He wasn't "unique" either. He was average. 808 Mafia needs to clean up their reputation and get rid of PVLACE 🥱
Man I used to look up to this guy. He had gave advice on making unique beats: "don't listen to anyone elses beats and just make your own in your own bubble to stay unique" . Sad to see this downfall but goes to show the cutthroat nature of the industry
Everyone attending Pvlace's workshops n whatever must feel really fucking betrayed. But at least Gunboi was on some of them
@@Aywusgod facts! Never did a workshop but definitely this is one reason I won't do anyone's works shops except for Navie maybe
@@Aywusgod I wouldn't be surprised if y'all were getting stolen at those workshops as well.
@@taylorstep8135 Lol that's probably the truth
@@Aywusgod Imagine paying for something you can look up easily on the internet. The only thing these workshops are good for is to meet other producers personally and have some conversations in person, exchange information and maybe work together. As harsh as it sounds but its their fault being naive. Its not like they would reveal any top secret techniques that turn you into a super producer overnight because anybody attending those workshops could go and show others how to do it after the workshop.
There are a lot of snakes out there. Worked with a producer (ayohitupfayo) making guitar loops and when I found one of the loops on a major label artists songs, I hit him up asking why I wasn't credited like we agreed.. he immediately blocked me on everything..
Good stuff calling them out
Yea bro call them out cuz that stuff is messed up.
This guy keeps emailing me and I’m not even sure how he got my email.
Lawyer up bro
Pvlace's silence says everything
true
exactly, he not about this childish internet shit, be ready for his statement lmao
@@dxrk1x anything response is just digging himself a deeper hole
lol been telling people dude was a whole azz fraud but they called me a hater!!!! baababaabababbabaababaaahaaaaaaaaa
Probably falls under culture vulture too...
Vindication is one hell of a feeling
Appreciate you exposing these clowns ( pvlace ). He did gunboi wild dirty. I hope he gets the 💩 sued out of him
Pvlace netflix series starring a young black polish guy from heilbronn, germany
Weaver was never the producer we asked for... He was the producer we NEEDED ! Great video g
What’s really sad is that there’s thousands of producers out here busting their asses doing it legitly and would do anything to have pvlace’s spot, but now because of this stealing bs 808mafia is gonna have a sour taste in their mouth when it comes to recruiting more talent in the future… it’s always one person that ruins it for everyone else
What the fuck are you talking about? Do you even know who "Shalizi" is? He's the biggest scammer in the entire industry.
Didn't they already give him the boot before all this transpired?
@@branwithoutclaws not sure but I feel like that tracks because of the “we never made him an official 808 mafia member and he wanted to trademark 808 mafia Europe for himself without our consent” comment
Exactly...
I really appreciate how you're creating videos/ a community for stuff that's relevant to producers, another dope video thanks!
With ALLLLL the different royalty free stuff out there to manipulate, you steal from ur boy?! That's rough 😕
Exactly, the internet is FULL of royalty free stuff, why would you do this?
Top 10 anime betrayals
it be your own boys lol
The radio silence from pvlace and his team is REALLY telling given this situation has been ongoing for several weeks now.
Pvlace knows he has no more legs to stand on, any statement he puts out at this point will only come back to bite him.
He can't argue or threaten his way out due to the overwhelming amount of evidence and texts Gunboi has already exposed.
His best strategy would be to lie low and wait for things to blow over, or fade away into irrelevancy.
Not tryna sound rude but the fact that you still think there's a 0,00001% chance of Pvalace not being guilty gives me anxiety.
Like, cmn on bruh 😂
Only math has true answers
still just the industry bro..
Not surprised why bro didn't make beats during Gunboi's twitch lives
The fact he called himself “the Michelangelo of melodies” makes this even more ridiculous.
It should’ve been a giveaway that he barely ever showed his screen.
Thanks for your work, great video as always! Hopefully Gunboi gets the credits and money he deserves.
thanks for reporting sir! 🙏🏻
MG and Craftworks been called out Palace like a 2 years ago. People where saying they were hating on palace. They even called him out for stealing there low fi sauce. Then of course he denied it but they showed a screen shot of his effect chain and it was the same effects they had given out for free. Of course he tried to deny it again saying that he no longer uses that and he uses analog gear. A lot people have said he was full of bs.
Dude, what the fuck? I never liked pvlace, but how are you STEALING something that's been given out for free?
That foot thing had me weak! 😂
This is literally now my main source for anything music news 😂 great video, great dunks
PROTECT WEAVER BEATS AT ALL COST ❤️
Protect Cake at all costs!
@TT Kallio-m Protect Deez Nuts at all costs!
I just realized… that probably means that Muezly (another young German producer) who was supposedly “signed” to 808 but is “managed” by Pvlace was probably never actually signed either 🤔🤔🤔
huge L for pvLace
i don't even know what i'm doing here. i never cared and i will not begin to care about 808 mafia or any of these artists who produce the same track over and over again, but it's fascinating to see how they stress each other out for dumb shit that could have been avoided easily by just being honest and fair
What world are you living in Disney 🤣 this is the real world
@@CaptainUncle1836 sry but i just don't care about that pseudo ganxta stuff anymore. i mean that was still cool when i was 16yo, but now i'm 31 and at this point i just want to listen to music for the music and not for some artificial drama. that's why groups like 808 mafia fail to impress me, even though they seem to have some good connections in the music industry
@@Beatsbasteln I completely understand your viewpoint I'm also 31 but the world isn't fair unfortunately
@@CaptainUncle1836 it really isn't. but music is so much more than just the mainstream groups. everything is scattered across tons of subcultures. every one of them is a niche group with their own market and values. there is no need to appeal to random gangster trap folks in order to be successful. for those who feel that music: ok. go for it. but a lot of people seem to just choose that style because they think it's the only option and i think that's just sad
kinda said when you realise how simple drill trap beats are to produce
*Realize
Stop that. Zeds not dead it's the Generation Z and Z end. Y'all ready for this?
Where are your easy trap beats I can listen to?
Funny thing,dudes from near my hometown im germany and was scheduled to start working at the place i used to work at,boss told us he made it big in the usa,fast forward a good year and this comes around
Project X of 808 mafia is also a thief
What he steal
@@leoproduced he stole a free drum kit from fredyicey & sold it for 30 bucks
7:21 about that a german yt channel called "arte tracks" basically made a documentary about him and as far as I can remember there was no mention of Gunboi or any other producer to help him get to 808 Mafia. He just mentions one guy "from the darknet" to help him get southsides email adress xd
He met gunboi after the claimed 808 mafia
@@noname-ng6sj ah my bad then
6:02 brooo i’m dying🤣
Man Weaver - i hope you have hard eveidence doing video over video against him.. This can destroy lifes..
Haha that intro! 😂 Love this serie bro 👀
Plugin 👮♂️/Producer 👮♂️🚔🚨 ... I Love It!!! 💯 Definitely need to know info!
inb4 bricks going into weavers videos with notes on them saying "we know what you did"
It would costs a lot of money just to get to where Weaver lives, just to throw bricks in his windows...🤔🤣🤣🤣😅
I love your choice of BGM 😏
RIP PVLACE
Stand with Ye, and Gunboi!
I'm all about this sort of energy thank you
Phenomenal great video
Your awesome dude
Palace the same producer that was saying how boring making music was to him at this point because no one makes “real music”anymore lmaooooooooooo then proceeds to steal beats
new sub lol i love this
I would say getting a g for doing part of a beat that you didn't sell yourself is pretty good. Until I found out it's just a lowercase letter and not $1000. I may be from another era, but if I was a full-grown man in the rap 'game' and I got jacked by somebody that looks like a teenage girl, I wouldn't spread it around. He probably would just come up missing. He looks like the sort of person who should be in Big Bopper, not something called a mafia. If you make trap music that came from a trap house; how is your name Pallace? It should be Duplex, at best. Some people have no shame, or sense of culture and history. That's how we got to the point that a joker can masquerade as a king. Whatever sells is all that matters to a sell-out.
Duplex lol.
Call him Loft lol
I have been talking to Pvlace at "BeatCon" a month ago and he was lookin kinda scary. After a minute i left, coz he was not able to speak relaxed and declined the smoke, tellin me, that he quit years ago. My next question would be to him about Gunboi, but now its clear. At the BeatCon was a 808 Mafia booth btw.
Maybe you can call this series "Beat Cop"
Pvlace's silence screams volume
Big White Beatz aka maker of BWB wav drumkits is also a thief too, sold sounds that came from other popular drumkits in his own drumkits. Ask you favorite drumkit makers about it
Where did he steal from?
He should be canceled!!!
He didn't say anything about the J's so he wont get cancelled
holy shit that horse mask bit hahahaha
Devil's advocate, could be a donkey mask 🤔
Anybody still defending Pvlace has issues
I remember watching the producer grind interview with him and something just didn’t sit well.
Literally right after the PVLACE video i saw him comment on the other thief robbin shulz and he was calling him a thief...LMAO ironic
A+ entertainment
😂 😂 😂 u on his a** lol but the producer community appreciates it 💯💯 gotta be safe out here
not sure if you did a video on the southstar / oliver tree thing? I don't know if its just a marketing thing for them or what but thought it was interesting
This looks like easy money. I'm thinking of taking all your content and uploading it with the video replaced with babes playing beach volleyball. Perhaps put MH somewhere in the description.10M views here we go. 😄
Palace needs to respond because if he doesn’t he’ll pretty much lose everything. I’m believing in gunboi a lot more as the days go by.
He was never 808mafia, southside manager revealed
Massive Devil’s Advocate killed this one
L for pvLace
@7:48 PVLACE gonna do him like wiz did Johnny Juliano in his doc... smh
devil's advocate 😂😂😂
Your not gonna let this one go 😂 As you should though 💯💯
*You're
@@AFRoSHEENT3ARCMICHAEL69 oh sorry spelling police 👮♂️
@@AFRoSHEENT3ARCMICHAEL69 you don’t have anything better to do then be petty online
wtfffff brooo
💀💀💀💀
Call it Devil's Advocate
You cant trust nobody in the music industry.
That nixxa gunboi a lame anyway, he be trynna dog new producers
What about the pvlace twitter free loop kits? hyped producers are accomplices now?
😂
No idea how that would work but that shit is gunbois 😂🤣
Palace still mad I rugged his $ocean pool 😂 sad have fun staying poor Dennys
TB Digital probably does have a wolf 😂
Anyone sending me loops that I use gets FULL credit and 50/50 split on whatever my take is
Never trust germans😂😂 Palace is now on the same lvl as fynn kliemann. These 2 were on the same lvl where people look up to. Now to realise that booth are trash...Thats hard to see.
I believe Gunboi as well, but if he really had lawyers, they would probably tell him to stop talking about the case.
and the plot thickens 😂 😂
Pvlace still a punk
ALL YOU DO IN YOUR DAW IS JUST DRAG AND DROP!
what
12 on the beat
But gunboi is a nice guy for letting him get the creddit.
Or palace and gunboi faked this for hype reasons.
Did you have a seizure at the end?
I am concerned about your health after watching all of those streams 🤗
Ouuuffff
accusations are a crazy thing 🤭
👍🏾
Imma say it, gunboi sounds like Drake’s son.
YOU'RE LUCKY I GAVE YOU A G 😭☠
Palace talked so thankfull about being in the 808 mafia in an german interview so i cant imagine him claiming a title of 808 mafia.
But the stealing thing i dont know. I think its possible but i dont think he really stole.
oof lol
I didn't know a lot of German guys were making beats for American music. Interesting. Check my beats!!
Oh boy you must've been pretty waisted to not remember what actually happened. You did wake up with a real horse head in your bed on the 31st. I think you must've gotten drunk immediately that morning to cope with the shock, but when I saw you later that night at the bar you were downing shots alone with the horse head still with you on the table. You were slobbering something about the "damn Germans" (I can't really repeate all the things that you said about them here if you get what I mean). Anyways, it was at that point that some dude, who was somehow even more drunk than you, came to you and asked if they could exchange their horse mask to your real horse head 🐴 So that's how you ended up with that...
You kinda look like underbelly
How is this even a thing? Every producer who samples does this same exact thing... just because it is rearranged does not mean that it is newly created material.. idc what the sample producers have to say.. they arent awake enough to understand what i am talking about lol
Get him outta here weaver!!!
Personally I never liked his beats. I don't know why many liked it and were impressed. He wasn't "unique" either. He was average. 808 Mafia needs to clean up their reputation and get rid of PVLACE 🥱
He was never in 808
His brand was more melodies and loops than anything, that’s out the window now 😂😂