Yeah they're getting worse and worse with their writing nowadays this is why I watch older movies before 2017 and especially the ones from the 1980s were amazing. I also watch anime a lot of these movies coming out this past two or three years of just been garbage... not all of them are bad but a lot like a whole lot.
@@Reactionary_Harkonnen try non hollywood films, obviously theyre not all good just because theyre foreign. But theres some gems and really fresh ideas out there.
If you have a time machine and your opponent doesn't, then there is no way you can lose because you get infinite do-over loop. That's why Edge of Tomorrow made sense.
@@Khoros-Mythos nah Edge of Tomorrow was a different movie, I'm not sure why he's talking about Edge of Tomorrow on a review of The Tomorrow War though
I like Edge of Tomorrow's time system for another reason: It's biological. We don't see a lot of biologically based time travel mechanics, but when it shows up it works better than time machines being made, because making a time machine implies it always existed, since it's always had the capability to go backwards in time. A strict "Live Die Repeat" method circumvents paradoxes
"why not have the human population spend the next 30 years preparing for war" YES! Exactly! I said it so many times, my wife became irritated at me almost as much as she was at the movie. Thank you.
@@vegetablackpotato4700 I heard that the movie has a very ass-y time travelling rule. But basic rules, Paradoxes may happen but I can't list out the several triggers.
It would have made more sense to hunt the creatures in the present than try to dump people into the future… it was a needless and stupid waste of time travel
The comedy relief character that makes a joke out of anything would work if he got serious as soon as shit hit the fan. Kinda like Aliens, how everyone is joking around until they see what they're up against and shit gets serious. You don't keep the comedy going through the whole movie.
@panqueque445 Haha ya imagine if instead of “Game over man, game over!” We got “Game over man! But we got 98 more lives so that ain’t no thang, let’s lock and load!”
Seriously that character was just annoying and killed all of the tension. A comic relief character should still react to mortal danger in a believable way... not in a way that screams "I AM THE COMIC RELIEF AND CAN'T BE KILLED". Not to mention, he wasn't even the slightest bit funny.
The premise breaks down once you hear: "We need to conscript civilians to fight a war in the future." The sheer stupidity of that thought is a perfect summary of present Hollywood.
@@sperzieb00n Resistance to the idea? Yes. Is it something likely and plausible to happen anyway? Very yes. I think the stupid part is combining mandatory conscription with _time travel_ , not the mandatory conscription itself. I mean, you'd think people would've put up a little more resistance to mandatory unpaid leave from their jobs for a couple weeks, several months of a mandate to wear suffocating and ineffective dirty rags over their mouths and noses, most businesses being shut down temporarily and many permanently...when the government goes for something people can be _alarmingly_ eager to just roll with it no matter how stupid it may be.
@@sperzieb00n the movie makes it pretty clear that there are massive protests all over the world and riots and looting. society is close to breaking down. so there is in fact a lot of fucking resistance to the mandatory conscription.
How about If they prevented the war from happing in the future .. That would have stopped Chris Pratt from getting the toxin to end the war from he past.
When i saw the first trailer I figured the future people weren't what they seemed and were manipulating humanity for some goal. Mainly because the idea of "come with us to the future to fight a losing war" was so ridiculous I didn't think someone would write that unironicly. That is the most nonsensical time travel contrivance ever.
That's what my first thought was too. It would've been better imo if the twist was that they weren't from the future but from a different dimension that was dealing with this war but was running out of -cannon fodder- soldiers, so they went around to similar universes telling everyone that their dimension hopping machine was a time machine to keep getting new recruites. Hell, the reveal of the monsters could've also been a twist that would've given away that this was not the future earth, explaining why the "future" guys didn't want to tell anyone what the aliens looked like because that would've blown their while cover.
@@alexanderrichards239 basic paradox theory. The moment they took people to their timeline they created an alternate timeline. If they prepared the people in the past for the war their own timeline would still be fucked up since they've alternated events. Basically saving the past would only save the mcs timeline, and the timeline fighting the war would still be messed up with humans extinction.
@@sleepdeprived7879 That solves one plot hole, but creates another one. Perhaps it's addressed in the movie (I doubt it), but why would the mc's timeline be so willing to send everyone to die to save a completely different timeline? Do they not know this fact and think saving the future timeline will somehow save their own? Even if humans were somehow so altruistic that they'd give everything to save others, the human cost in doing so is far worse than allowing the humans in the other timeline to die out, given how massive the casualties of this war seem to be by delving into mass civilian recruitment.
@@GentlemanlyPenguin It's because earlier they said that the future government told nothing about the monsters or the time travel tech to the people of the past, keeping them completely in the dark. It's like the people of the future were basically lying to them.
i head em say "explosives" and i thought "uhh why not lead with that?" especially when you didnt scope out the ENTIRE AREA?! that random fodder bitch found the cargohold full of the fucking things.
I know this isn't a serious movie but it's pretty insulting to humanity to think they would just curl into a ball and give up when confronted by big lizard beasts given the horror of the last few centuries of war. We have seen atom bomb ghost shapes burned into the concrete at Nagasaki and Hiroshima. We have seen mustard gas and incendiary grenades. We have seen napalm stuck to kids still burning under the water they thought would save them. We have seen heavy machine guns turn tens of thousands of men into red mist and bloody chunks - in a single day. We have seen diseased bodies hurled over castle walls and men's heads explode under the feet of elephants. Men have had to sleep with their clothes stained with the blood and brains of their best friends. I don't think spying some space lizards, no matter how fearsome, would have us throw in the towel and welcome our species' demise.
this is exactly what I was thinking when I saw these things. like wait a minute... humanity is brought to it's knees by something vulnerable to AP rounds from an AR 15... just send half the moms from Texas into the future.
"People were so scared of bears they thought saying bear would summon one" Literally a old Barney episode about camping made me scared about this as a kid. They all said starting singing about a bear and one showed up
Firguy the Foot Fetishist from 4chan I don’t know what AlternateKek is talking about but let’s just imagine an actual bear appears and mauled everyone on the set while it was it being filmed live.
"He's a possum that finds garbage, funniest shit I've ever seen." edit: I was watching some possum reviews videos and I found out someone did this before me rip
Well at least this film is still worth the 2 hours compared to skydance's T movies terminator 2 john conner's replacement day and terminator walmart bargain been genyise
@Ryan Vetter yes, i noticed that. not like i don't really mind though but damn it. even how they threw in alot of females in commanding positions......
The title" The Tomorrow War" sounds like the title for a parody of an action movie. Like it sounds like it would be on Rick and Morty's interdimensional cable. THE TOMORROW WAR... Its.. always tomorrow.. so... so you never have to worry about it..!
It actually reminded me a lot of a scifi novel called The Forever War, which has a much better premise. Basically they send soldiers to fight some alien species in a war far off in space- and because time passes differently in space by the time they come back humanity has evolved into some freakish hivemind. There's some flaws, but I believe the author was going for a scary 'what if' situation. It's part of a three part series, the aforementioned title being book one.
@@thepillowhead2453 They were both bad lmao. EoT stayed _nowhere near_ the source material and instead of huge battle axes we got some butter knife bs.
Seems like time travel is entirely unnecessary to the plot. Why not just have the aliens arrive and fight them directly? For the title? It seems like the father/adult daughter thing is the only plot reason for the time travel, and that could be handled differently.
Which just makes me _more_ confused, since having them get properly warped into the city and then progressively overrun by the aliens while Starlord and Company do their mission would have been a much cooler action setpiece. Instead they picked something that was more boring _and_ stupid.
Its got some bad writing regarding flawed logic, but other than that it could have been alot worse. Not saying this as a means to give it a free pass, just saying its not as absolutely terrible as some people are making it out to be. Not our possum boi though; he’s pretty fair/accurate with his review
I dont think it was even meant as a twist, or atleast not a major one. I was very glad that the movie established she is his daughter right when they meet 1-on-1, and not as "OMG" plot twist for the end.
@@MyReligionIs2DoGood I love how somehow nobody figured that out, they even said something about looking for weird readings when they were in Russia...couldn't a satellite have picked that up?? As dumb as it would have been it would have worked better if there was some sorta conspiracy involving people who wanted the world to end blocking attempts to find the aliens. Again that's still kind of silly but it's not outright stupid like what we got.
The Goblin turned on the stove to heat up the poker you can see sitting on the stove so it can use the classic 'hot poker' as a weapon later on... why is this so confusing. That's not even a joke. It's what happens.
@@DamnedSilly okay, but "why" did the goblin turn on the stove? I get that you are being mister no fun allowed, but, chekhov's gun. They mention the stove, but never follow through. Sure it can be implied; but, it is never brought up again... sure, shitty budget.. lost scenes.. things they wanted to shoot... why have left that in if it isn't used. because it is a shitty film; they likely had hours of unused shit... and, ran afoul of Chekhov's gun... if it servers no purpose, don't mention it. that is why it is a joke. and now you are either trying to get me on the har har arties fartsies cop, or, you are just a curmudgeon; but either way...
@@faulkgough1768 The problem with that is that the poker IS used as a weapon. Sure, it was poorly set up but the intent is fairly obvious and therefore it's not much of a joke, much less a running one. The obvious answer is because when they were coming up with the kills for the movie some one said "What about a hot poker up the ass," and in their poor, sloppy way they tried to show that. If it was set up but not paid off you (and the possum) would have a point but it was so you don't.
From the very start I was thinking they should have sent back most of their scientists, data, and specs for tech like those drones. Then humanity could spend 20 years preparing. At the same time, supplies and some units could be sent to the future to capture specimens to study in the future or some sent back to very secure facilities. When the toxin was revealed, put that stuff in bullets or gas canisters and sprayers. Trying to save a lost future at the expense of people and resources from the past made no sense.
the way i thought the movie would be bad was more interesting than this movie. because i thought it was some sort of evil combinish take-over scheme where they take out all the people that would rebel by sending them to fight the rebels of the future [themselves] or something, which is why they didnt show what the monsters looked like how they act all sketchy. only to find out the reason they did that is because the monsters look like a combo of a quite place, edge of tomorow, after earth, and the cloverfield monster. to hide uninspired shit design... ohh god and the "ill come back to save you" line from chris... FUCKING WAHT?!
basic time-travel theory I think. The moment they took people to their timeline they created an alternate timeline. If they prepared the people in the past for the war their own timeline would still be fucked up since they've alternated events. Basically saving the past would only save the mcs timeline, and the timeline fighting the war would still be messed up with humans extinction. The people of what i dub the apocalypse timeline didn't want to die. Overall I liked this movie, critics are being a little unreasonable
@@sleepdeprived7879 That's when they have to accept that they are all dead but they have a chance to save humanity even if they are in another timeline. After all, if they're already down to a few hundred thousand from billions, they're done.
@@Thane36425 FR. The premise of the movie is the people from the future decide to fuck up the past by getting past-people killed before they're meant to die, because the future timeline is legit acting unheroic. Even Dragonball Z handled it better.
I knew the concept is gonna bad and that Chris Pratt daughter was gonna be soldier because time travel. That and fighting a future threat would mean all we had to do is prep.
Why are all aliens these days just zergling swarms? It's so boring. They are dumb beasts, they could not defeat Earth. Even Zerglings are useless without Overmind control.
@@SwiftNimblefoot At least it’s more interesting than the generic big-headed ray-gun-toting grays in flying saucers or rockets, who want to probe us or have us take them to our leaders or something. That one is way too overdone.
issue with just prepping, is that everyone in the future who can´t travel back cause they have a younger version in 2020, would have to be left for dead, sure that´s a better plan objectively, than sacrificing god knows how many from the past, extending the lifespan of some future people for maybe a few months... especially when it´s all for nothing anyhow... but the future people are the ones making the plans, they´re the ones who know what is going on, (while seemingly leaving the past in the dark) and they´re bound to be somewhat selfish. so their plan isn´t to win the war at any cost, creating a future with 8 billion people and no invasion... but to win in their timeline at any cost saving their 500 thousand. though I doubt that´s what the directors had in mind, just the way I see it. their selfish plan turns out to be for nothing anyhow as the movie ends in a way in which future humanity is destroyed, and in which the toxin meant to save them, just made the mission to destroy the aliens pre-emptively more dangerous and likely to fail... they walked around setting up explosives just fine, right until they started injecting them, at which point they awoke... they could´ve seemingly just as well shot them... or just blown up the spaceship and been fine.
Great review Mr. Possum, Sir - just one little correction 😅: Chris Pratt's character (don't remember the name and don't care) doesn't have PTSD. In the original timeline there was no time travel from the Tomorrow War (i mean the timeline his future daughter lived in...). Instead he left his family because he never got the job he wanted. Which might be worse than his dad leaving him because of his PTSD and anger problems... This story is a mess anyway and was probably rewritten many times, so i believe they just forgot this little detail when creating the comparison between Chris Pratt and his dad. It's funnier this way 😄
@@SwiftNimblefoot what you suggest is way dumber than the actual movie. They weren't drafting to draft, they draft to have more time to find "a" queen and test "a" virus.
It would make more sense if the war was a lot _further_ in the future: then there could be a civilizational collapse between now and then, so anything _we_ did would be lost in the intervening centuries. [1] You could argue that the people in the future could help us avoid said collapse, but heck, the future people could just say we're such short-sighted, self-deluded pricks that no amount of advice would save us from screwing up - and given the last few decades, I'd have trouble saying they were wrong. [1] Which was part of the backstory for SF writer Clifford Simak's "Our Children's Children", which has some similarities to this story, only rather than us going into the future to fight the aliens it's the future people going as one-way refugees into the past, because the invading monsters were in fact highly intelligent, the size of elephants, and resistant to anything short of heavy artillery.
Nobody would care, if it's thousand years in the future. You'd be dead, everybody you know would be dead, your great-grandkids would be dead. It's too far removed. The government will probably set up some small department to prep, but that's about it. In TW it's less than 30 years. That's either within your lifetime or lifetime of your children, so it hits close to home. The script has a hundred problems though, it's not good anyway
They also completly ignore the fact that, by sending people that died between the start of the war and now, they will send a bunch of people that will have had children that can be fighting in the war at the future. Making a way worst paradox. But at the end of the day the paradox don't do shit because they alter the flow of time a bunch of.... times. Like, it's almost four different timelines.
Also, if you get sent to the war and die there, you will be "dead in the future" when they are conscripting people. Leading to you being conscripted, which leads to your death. It's moronic.
Wait. He dies in the past because he got into a car accident after leaving his family because of PTSD that he got going into the future to fight a war that he only got drafted into because he died in the past due to what he experienced during the war in the future? Did I get that right?
no. in the beginning of the movie he wanted to work in a lab, not just be a teacher, but he didn't get the job. basically he wanted to make some kind of great discovery and change the world but he never got the opportunity so over time he became distant with his family and abandoned them. there is even a line towards the end of the movie where he says something like "i kept trying to find the best future, but it was right in front of me the whole time" which implies that he realised that being with his family is more important than anything else he could have done.
Ahh, it's nice when there's a genuine review of a movie that explains 'why' it's got issues. That seems to be the gist many 'legit' reviews of the movie come up with. Good popcorn flick for mindless fun, but has structure and narrative issues. Not a bad movie because of who stars it and because Twitter demands canceling.
If they can go back in time why don’t they just go throughout time picking up the strongest, smartest, or whatever soldiers, generals, strategists, scientists and whatever of history put em together and let them solve the problem You have a time machine there’s nothing stopping you from just using humanity’s best
@@I_dont_understand_25 I’m pretty sure there’s an anime about something like that Where like historical figures fight each other I’d like a more realistic take on it though I think the idea is really interesting
somebody should make a short film with this idea: "hey we solved the problem in five minutes by picking the right people from all over history. war is over" Like a realistic Avatar-sequel: humans fly back to Pandora and just fire a rocket from orbit at the world tree or push an asteroid... no more blue smurfs, movie over in 5 minutes
@@lindinle government, it's all about government issue . But also nobody new "when they came". If not for the student, they would have know they were here for thousands of years. So... It would matter to search it due to the two conflict :when and government conflict.
The big problem I had with this one is near the beginning where they deployed to the future war with no training and little equipment, most are still in their office wear and the time machine fucks up and drops them off hundreds of meters in the air and ends up killing almost all of them. The ones that make it get up and are like "ok, this keep going" and they complete their mission and get ready to leave where they have to rendezvous with troops that are already on the ground and are better trained and packing heavy weapons and transport but get wiped out because they weren't wearing plot-armour. The commander lady then spends the rest of the mission shouting "get outa there" over and over which isn't a very good way to avoid the pending bombing run. Wouldn't it be easier to just delay or re-schedule the bombs? Then when the survivors return to base there isn't a confrontation where Owen Grady gets to tell the commander lady off for fucking up the deployment, the troop rendezvous, the bombing run, the useless orders and everything else that went wrong. He just wonders through the camp and agrees to go on the next mission because the last one went so well.
What’s the opposite of disappointment? Cause that’s basically what I felt while watching the movie. Based on the trailers, I’d already decided the movie sucked, so I found myself enjoying it more than I expected because of that. It had more emotion than I expected, but like Possum said in this video and another recent video, I am so tired of movies needing to be like Marvel and just throwing in annoying one liners and quips that undermine the entire scene. It’s like, the producers read the script, get through a scene and say, “Where’s the funny? Didn’t laugh in the last 2 minutes, fix it,” then throw it back at the writers. Same thing happened in Mortal Kombat, a scene wasn’t finished until there was a funny. Marvel has shaped the action movie formula for years to come, and we’re all gonna suffer for it.
your lowered expectations made the movie better. I don't think marvel is shaping the funny one liners. they have always existed. I think the people making movies don't understand why the line is funny or why it is important or relevant in the movie experience. "Get to the chopper" isn't funny on its own. the actor going over the top with the line made it epic but also funny. I feel the one liners can give us a social bonding moment being able to repeat a quick one line in our every day life to remind us of a enjoyable action slog or interesting movie with a good one line quote from it. A way to add relevance and connection in our lives with a fun moment and someone else that is with us. I would say the line, "get to the chopper" while having to run through the rain to get to the car parked at the far end of the parking lot with a few friends with me would make the bad moment less bad giving the moment a feeling of comradery of doing an event together with the idea of it being an action scene. The current one liners are not something we can say in our every day lives they are only good for select context of what the joke was made for.
The aliens had nothing special as a threat to humanity, they were just xenomorphs with that launched darts to unarmored people, the whole premise of the movie was dull in all sides.
@@lordmontymord8701 the thing is that xenomorphs were a threat to humans when unprepared, when WY hired mercs to deal with xenos, they came prepared and could do stuff like capturing queens and destroying hives, but the xenomorphs got with their way in the end because WY captured them and somehow they always escaped and ended up capturing colonies or ships. But in the AVP spinoffs, aliens novels and comicsa there are spitter castes so that covers the gun part.
I'm surprised the concept of Multiverse theory never came up, considering that seems to be the logic this time machine works off of... Also, he didn't leave the family because of the future war (since it hadn't happened inbtheir timeline), it was because he felt unfulfilled, which was brought up in the beginning of the movie before all the time travel stuff started. But yes, the lack of preparing countermeasures in the past irked me too.
As of my understanding of the future traveling logic on this movie, you don't change the future by changing the past, you only create an alternative future and end up having 2 different timelines. That's why saving the future's past by training people there would not make them more prepared on the current future, or leaving samples around would not make it appears in the doomed future.(like Dragonball z trunks timeline) The thing that really bothered me was this buildup for a biological weapon against the aliens, but it was all resolved by blowing up the ship anyways. So why the hell lose so much time creating it? Plus, one thing I'm noticing about modern movies is that they don't seem to know how to end a climax. The female mob at the end could have been eliminated by the arms injection and would be satisfying. Anyways the movie is not the best shit ever, but it's not that bad too.
I like your breakdown of the timeline. I know they blew the ship up. But if there was even remotely the possibility of another ship they need to be thinking about stockpiling toxin and even perfecting an advanced delivery system. Shoot the toxin with modified elephant guns. Always prep just in case.
9:58 - Sarah Connor Chronicles does it very well, there's even a full episode dedicated to that when skynet is storing coltan shipments to supply Terminator factories. As well as several other assets.
Personally I fell that the best and easiest way to beat the monsters would be what you said “to send there equipment back in time” but to just repeat the process like prestigeing in a game. Now I know that there would be many versions of the future in the same time when they give them the tech but they could just go back a couple of weeks even days ahead of when they received the tech, and despite the notion that this could cause a paradox just remember that Chris Pratt has memories of a future that didn’t happen , I.e. fighting in a war that he stopped in the past.
Robo had to wait for some years after being done helping with the forest, he didn't give up hope because there wasn't a time machine nearby once he was done. But apparently mankind in this movie can't wait 28 years.
@@LorePlayingGame Well we are in the times when anything is available at our fingertips. Patience isn't a thing taught or easily mastered today. Hell half the time a person might be considered lazy just for being patient. And the real sloths just get overlooked.
Big miss @15:00, no one from the future had advanced warning about the aliens, so in his adult daughter's timeline her father never got conscripted. He didn't leave from PTSD of the conscription, he left because he felt like he was meant for something great but felt like a failure as a highschool teacher. That's the whole point of the christmas party phone call and couch scenes.
It could have been a nice movie like what if people in past becomes Tyrannical and militaristic then when the war starts people easily win against aliens because they prepared that for decades but after that people starts questioning their life ,governments are still Tyrannical even until war ends(sorry my english is not perfect)
because they don't want to give away the plot to whats going to happen in real life. lol also would be a better movie with an actual thought behind it.
Haven't actually seen it, but from your review I can already identify a couple problems I'd have with the movie based on your description: First issue: the time travel. Sounds like relativistic wormholes, which I've heard about as an IRL time travel theory where you create a wormhole in the present, and send one end into a time dilation effect so that the two ends wind up pointing at different points in time because they apparently treat relative time as absolute somehow (in contrast, what I want to create someday is a scifi where they keep it relative, so if the two ends have different dilation then you can wind up with objects passing through getting compressed or stretched depending on which side the dilation was on, with diseases possible from smaller impacts and nuclear fusion or complete disintegration from extreme effects). Aside from the whole method of creation being incompatible with the future travelling into the past because the IRL description requires creation in the past (I'll presume they can somehow create the other end in the past to begin with from here on), even this method allows for time travel between different points if you either create more then one or apply some dilation to one end or the other, so their 1:1 constriction would only make sense if there was some sort of resource shortage where they could only pull it once, which would be a pretty damned important point to make. This doesn't even touch on the question of paradoxes, which is a _huge_ issue with any kind of time travel story, you need to address whether they are possible or if you're looking at multiple timelines or what... the only way this movie's description would make sense is if you assume multiple timelines where the daughter is from timeline B, which watched timeline A (their "future" which does not actually appear in the film) die and is now contacting timeline C (the "past" of the movie) for help and hoping to avert their own destruction, suggesting that there are probably infinite timelines where most have been failing to defeat the aliens, but this falls apart with the daughter accusing the father of abandoning her (unless there was clear dialogue where she knows he is not her father and merely a duplicate from another timeline and she's trying to pre-empt that happing in his timeline). Sometimes I really think we need a whole new language just for time travel... I've heard good things about Lojban, I need to get around to learning that...
Second issue: treating civilians like idiots. Refusing to show images because they're afraid of a panic? Hell no, implement them into the culture as villains like the freaking Xenomorphs and you'll get generations who would _love_ to slaughter them wholesale. Keep them mysterious and the conspiracy theorists would come out of the woodwork (on top of your own point of increasing fear)! Even if they had a lovecraftian mindscrew effect from their visual appearance it shouldn't work in pictures (at most they'd trigger phobias in some subsect of the population, and the worst I can think of is if they were giant spiders or literal killer clowns), especially if they weren't implementing some sort of 3D holographic modelling to completely recreate their 5-dimensional structure, or whatever it was that made the human mind break down while trying to comprehend it, in the past...
Well, the reason that they didn’t wait 28 years to prepare is because they didn’t want the human race to go exctinct in the future timeline even though many people had already died, but I agree with that fact that it’s kind of dumb to send in so many innocent civilians who have no prior experience to war.
I think you missed the biggest disconnect, the future didn't know the aliens were coming so its not in the same time line. That opens a hole other can of worms.
@@fvrlit you remember stargate? how its a wormhole? i feel like if the timetravel was done stargate style, they keep the wormhole open i think that would at least justify the times running concurrently. because you would have that doorway thing instead of a jump but they just had to have that dropping scene for no reason which honestly was so forced.
I'm really glad you're doing these quick reviews now! Your videos are among my favourites on RUclips and I'd much rather have a quick review on a somewhat regular basis, than a very detailed video once every 1½ months with nothing in-between, if I had to choose.
This movie was ok, specifically the entire family aspect of the film, it was very touching. Everything else is a complete joke even coming from a fan of Sci Fi flicks.
The thing I hated about this movie was the inconsistent power levels of the aliens. The first scene with them in the stairs is pretty incredible, but after that the aliens become super weak trash. At first in the streets they are terrifying snipers, but after that they have storm trooper aim. It ruined the second half of the movie for me.
Don't listen to some of these dick heads. Don't let Possum dictate your opinions and what movies you had fun watching. No shame in being entertained. Possum just points out the un obvious crap I ignored due to how fun the movie was to watch. That being said, the review did make me realize it could have been better, and even entertaining movies like this have things wrong with it.
Haven't seen the movie myself, but pretty sure they couldn't just "store stuff" to "send" it to the future... Correct me if I'm wrong, but we are talking here about different dimensions/timelines pretty much, aren't we? What doesn't make sense (if that's the case), is sending people from your timeline to a doomed one... Leaving you way more vulnerable when the alliens appear in yours :-s If its pure "legit" timetravel and they are their actual past and future respectively... The whole thing doesn't make sense as paradoxes start pilling up... including being unable to win in the present by finding the ship, since the future needs to happen for them to be able to go there with the toxin...
(One Of The Things That I Just😍Love About This Movie Is How Realistic It Is In The Government’s Response To The Crisis In The First Half Of The Movie When The Military’s Strategy Didn’t Make Any Sense The Government Was Like😁Sure Let’s Spend Billions Of Dollars and Sacrifice Billions Of Lives In Order To Save-(🌏Earth-#2.)-No Cost Was Too Great But In The Second Half Of The Film When The Military’s Strategy Was Starting To Make More Sense The Government Was Like NO😡MORE We Cannot Sacrifice The Money Or The Billions Of Lives In Order To Save-(🌎Earth-#1.)-The Cost For Doing The Right Thing Was Just Too Great😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂).
My family and I had fun trying to predict the plot points to this movie. The two points I remember making was “let’s bet when volcano kid becomes important”, “these aliens are probably just grunts for a more intelligent force that doesn’t want to forge dirty work” and “they landed in northern Russia? Is there going to be a shoehorned global warming line?” (Though granted this was right after volcano kid mentioned the eruption towards the end) We also loved reminding during some of the audio blunders. All in all to me it’s an enjoyable experience with some drinks though it’s thirty minutes too long.
i was watching this movie with my folks. i was the only one drinking while watching this, the booze kept my ass in the seat, but HOLY SHIT not enjoyable, because even drunk im still mentally there,[4loko so the caffeen maybe] i started the movie a bit tipsy, and after had to go out to the gas station TO GET MORE BOOZE because the movie pissed me off so much. but i found out at least my dad has better all though still questionable taste in movies. but he likes battlefiend L.A. ok i asked him, if you had a dvd of both which would you be more inclined to watch first. ...battlefield L.A but at least that movie stuff made sense.
They aren’t hence the time travel to get more people to fight them. We were the ones who were losing. Plus we have time travel technology. We would’ve been a worthwhile opponent.
My understanding (I may be incorrect, haven't seen the movie) is that the monsters humanity is fighting are NOT the aliens that flew their spaceship to earth but a seperate species. The "monsters" are to the "aliens" as dogs are to humans.
@@Foojaleeckalikeelamaka Bro. What are you talking about man? (Westbrook voice) go watch the movie. The Aliens were here already for example (Thing, war of the worlds)…
@@Magicstockton I'm saying there are two different species of aliens. One is a higher intelligence (like us) & the other is a lower intelligence (like dogs). The higher intelligence ones pilot the craft & died while the lower intelligence ones survived & attacked humanity.
this is gonna sound dumb, but it's true Bigger bullet = bigger penetration They Should be using 50 caliber weapons and tanks. Not dinky jeeps and assault rifles
I am just at a third minute, but I already have question about this movie: why can't they transfer their lab results into the past, so they can keep researching without "progressing" in time forward? I hope I will get an answer. Okay they actually did it, but in an extremely stupid way. Why they have to send people from the past to fight and protect the lab, when they could just put teleporter into the lab and keep sending updates back in time, to have weapon ready for the moment aliens appears, so they can nuke them on the start with big toxic bomb or something?
The wormhole is exactly 20 years long, so time passes at the same rate on both ends, and you can't go through if you already existed on the other end. So time is a factor, but all the same there's no reason two teams couldn't have been working on the problem. But the reason they want the "toxin" in the future is to save the people who can never leave that timeline and go back 20 years.
It's two different time lines happening simultaneously, and when they travel to the future, they are traveling to a different timeline. So if they saved themselves in the past, that fucked up future timeline remains messed up.
I found it hard to believe that the character didn't even consider the explanation of his father of having to move far away from his family because of PTSD considering he was supposed to be a veteran himself.
Yeah, I didn't like it as much as my family did. I thought it was cliche and kinda mediocre. I mean, yeah, why couldn't they have just mass produced the toxins and prepared them for the future war (sorry), and all your plot-holes and stuff held up. (Not in a good way). And at the beginning, they were having this "look at us, we know science and biology follow us on reddit" stuff with the daughter, but no one falling that far when they came to the future could've survived a fall into that pool, not easily. It's not like concrete, but it's not Minecraft, either. But that one's definitely a nitpick. Good review, first review that I saw the movie for!
Personally I enjoyed the movie. I feel its better than most of the other action movies hollywood has come out with and it's got some pretty good scenes. Nice fun brainless movie.
I agree with almost all of your comments. This plot and movie made no sense and the plot holes were so bad, you couldn't even enjoy the movie. I wanted to clarify one thing you touched on about Chris Pratt having PTSD from the future war - I don't think they were saying that Chris Pratt has PTSD from the future war and that's why he left his daughter. In her timeline he didn't go to the future (one of many plot holes). He was unhappy being a school teacher combined with PTSD from his Iraq tours seems to have made him decide to leave his family. This also doesn't make any sense and isn't consistent with his character.
The "time machine" creates two separate realities (different rivers). That is why they can't just wait. They technically could, but they would be abandoning/letting the other reality die. The future timeline needed help and its past could not be altered (even if the 2022 timeline is changed). I agree this movie is bad and stupid, but that is one inconsistency that the writers thought of.
The writers were on weed the entire time. They also invented new physics, because our current physics doesn't allow such "time machine" with 2 realities.
9:14 Sooooo... those survivors she talks to in the group... did they just run into a group of aliens that weren't all that hungry? Or were they in the process of being eaten when their timer went off? Lucky that an alien never grabbed one of your guys AS their timer went off and got sent back to the past with them...
Charlie's "shitstorm" down the stairs is the most realistic part of the fight. He's a terrified civilian who's already lost his wife to the war and is a nervous talker. It's totally in keeping with character and wasn't really funny so much as a "yeah, that would probably be me." Moment.
The thing is that there isn't a single movie about time travel where the main issue is the time travel, even The Time Machine where the protagonist jumps millions of years into the future and is regarded as one of the best of it's genre has issues with it, might as well become a Cinemasins gag. Free time travel in itself is a paradox and the rules that "govern" it are paradoxical with each other so either you pick one and forget the others, or forget it. That being said, "why didn't they prepare against the aliens" was poorly managed by the movie, along with plenty other movie things, because just by them traveling to the past should create a paradox where that future wouldn't exist which would not send them to past so they couldn't warn the past which makes the future exist and travel to the past to warn the past and so on, so this has to be an alternate future, or a parallel future, and the main reason the future was drafting was to create the toxin, which the world leaders didn't know for some reason. tl;dr Time travel is a paradox on itself, complaining about it is like saying the sky is blue or apples are red and then ignoring that they aren't all the time. There are plenty more issues with the movie that could be picked, and choosing time travel is like picking the safest choice for people to agree with you.
Agreed. I cannot think of a single Time Travel movie that has something off. Even if that something off is that fixing the timeline would eliminate any reason for them to do so in the first place. I.E. Avengers Endgame. They said screwing something up in the past will create an alternate reality, so wouldn’t killing Thanos’s past self do that too? Or wouldn’t Captain America going back in time to live until he was an old man do the same? Or Terminator. Skynet was created from the remains of the same exact Terminator Unit that it personally sent back in time itself?
Why does the time travel work like rafts going down a river? Why didn't the future scientists send at least some data to the past? ... Why did the goblin turn on the stove?
It works that way because the story needs it to. If you can just travel to any point in time you need to, it guts the suspense the story needs to have. They also aren't consistent with it, because the explanation cites that time is a single current, yet they play upon the idea of different timelines. There's an utter lack of temporal mechanics going on here. Their description makes it sound like time travel would be a closed loop, yet it obviously isn't, so the "raft" idea is invalid.
Bless you kind sir. I had such a problem with all these people being drafted to fight and the future folk still not revealing, at least offscreen what the Whitespikes looked like. The logic made no sense as everyone was already forced to fight.
Wait but if they go back in time can't they prepare for the war with tactics and knowing enemy wickness e new technology before to be ready, so that the war basically never happens?
Exactly this movie's plot is f***** up. Where did you send technology better guns and stuff back in the past and as well as information and where it starts so you could just get a really big head start?
It has issues but it's the most solid movie I've seen this year. The CG and Practical Effects on the White Spikes is great tho. Love the design. Looks straight outta Gears Of War
the monsters look like other monsters a quiet place, after earth, the host, GOW(5). the design is uninspired and whatever inbred designed it should be hung to death by his or her own intestines.
He didn't Abandon them, she's from a timeline in which they didn't know about the war, after he didn't get that job from the opening he and his wife drifted apart and ended up getting a divorce, two years after the divorce while he was driving to her birthday party he died in a car accident, that's what she meant by he left them. In her timeline he never went to the war he died 23 yrs before the war started.
The actors were fine. The stunts were fine. The graphics were fine. The writing was bad.
That's Hollywood baby!
Yeah they're getting worse and worse with their writing nowadays this is why I watch older movies before 2017 and especially the ones from the 1980s were amazing. I also watch anime a lot of these movies coming out this past two or three years of just been garbage... not all of them are bad but a lot like a whole lot.
@@Reactionary_Harkonnen Yeah there hasn't really been a lot of memorable or really good movies as there used to have been
The writing is extremely ultra mega bad. Close to idiotic. :D
@@Reactionary_Harkonnen try non hollywood films, obviously theyre not all good just because theyre foreign. But theres some gems and really fresh ideas out there.
Chris Pratt as a scientist was like eeh..
If you have a time machine and your opponent doesn't, then there is no way you can lose because you get infinite do-over loop. That's why Edge of Tomorrow made sense.
Exactly! Either that or they can just head way into the furture when the aliens eventually decide to go invade another planet and repopulate!
Did you even watch the review? This was explained.
@@Khoros-Mythos nah Edge of Tomorrow was a different movie, I'm not sure why he's talking about Edge of Tomorrow on a review of The Tomorrow War though
Why in the hell they were taking people from the past to fight in the future instead of helping the past fight the enemy?
I like Edge of Tomorrow's time system for another reason: It's biological. We don't see a lot of biologically based time travel mechanics, but when it shows up it works better than time machines being made, because making a time machine implies it always existed, since it's always had the capability to go backwards in time. A strict "Live Die Repeat" method circumvents paradoxes
"why not have the human population spend the next 30 years preparing for war" YES! Exactly! I said it so many times, my wife became irritated at me almost as much as she was at the movie. Thank you.
What happened to all the people who died to these aliens after? Did the world have a thanos reverse snap situation?
@@RomanumChristum They just die. Or better yet, if done right, the doomed Future will simply just vanish.
@@luminocuratoria1335 isn't there olny like a few millon left why can't all of them come back to the past? Or is there some kind of paradox
@@vegetablackpotato4700 I heard that the movie has a very ass-y time travelling rule. But basic rules, Paradoxes may happen but I can't list out the several triggers.
It would have made more sense to hunt the creatures in the present than try to dump people into the future… it was a needless and stupid waste of time travel
The comedy relief character that makes a joke out of anything would work if he got serious as soon as shit hit the fan. Kinda like Aliens, how everyone is joking around until they see what they're up against and shit gets serious. You don't keep the comedy going through the whole movie.
So true!
One of the main reasons how they managed to screw up It: Chapter 2.
Thank you, I don't even see the need to have a comedy relief in every movie, it gets annoying.
@panqueque445 Haha ya imagine if instead of
“Game over man, game over!”
We got
“Game over man! But we got 98 more lives so that ain’t no thang, let’s lock and load!”
Seriously that character was just annoying and killed all of the tension. A comic relief character should still react to mortal danger in a believable way... not in a way that screams "I AM THE COMIC RELIEF AND CAN'T BE KILLED". Not to mention, he wasn't even the slightest bit funny.
The premise breaks down once you hear: "We need to conscript civilians to fight a war in the future."
The sheer stupidity of that thought is a perfect summary of present Hollywood.
ikr! also you'd think there would be more resistance to the return of mandatory conscription for civilians
@@sperzieb00n Resistance to the idea? Yes. Is it something likely and plausible to happen anyway? Very yes. I think the stupid part is combining mandatory conscription with _time travel_ , not the mandatory conscription itself.
I mean, you'd think people would've put up a little more resistance to mandatory unpaid leave from their jobs for a couple weeks, several months of a mandate to wear suffocating and ineffective dirty rags over their mouths and noses, most businesses being shut down temporarily and many permanently...when the government goes for something people can be _alarmingly_ eager to just roll with it no matter how stupid it may be.
@@sperzieb00n the movie makes it pretty clear that there are massive protests all over the world and riots and looting. society is close to breaking down. so there is in fact a lot of fucking resistance to the mandatory conscription.
How about If they prevented the war from happing in the future .. That would have stopped Chris Pratt from getting the toxin to end the war from he past.
It breaks down the moment you ask questions.
When i saw the first trailer I figured the future people weren't what they seemed and were manipulating humanity for some goal. Mainly because the idea of "come with us to the future to fight a losing war" was so ridiculous I didn't think someone would write that unironicly. That is the most nonsensical time travel contrivance ever.
That's what my first thought was too. It would've been better imo if the twist was that they weren't from the future but from a different dimension that was dealing with this war but was running out of -cannon fodder- soldiers, so they went around to similar universes telling everyone that their dimension hopping machine was a time machine to keep getting new recruites. Hell, the reveal of the monsters could've also been a twist that would've given away that this was not the future earth, explaining why the "future" guys didn't want to tell anyone what the aliens looked like because that would've blown their while cover.
WHY is it "come with us to the future" when it could be "a war is gonna happen in X years so start preparing"?
@@alexanderrichards239 basic paradox theory. The moment they took people to their timeline they created an alternate timeline. If they prepared the people in the past for the war their own timeline would still be fucked up since they've alternated events. Basically saving the past would only save the mcs timeline, and the timeline fighting the war would still be messed up with humans extinction.
@@sleepdeprived7879 That solves one plot hole, but creates another one. Perhaps it's addressed in the movie (I doubt it), but why would the mc's timeline be so willing to send everyone to die to save a completely different timeline? Do they not know this fact and think saving the future timeline will somehow save their own? Even if humans were somehow so altruistic that they'd give everything to save others, the human cost in doing so is far worse than allowing the humans in the other timeline to die out, given how massive the casualties of this war seem to be by delving into mass civilian recruitment.
@@GentlemanlyPenguin It's because earlier they said that the future government told nothing about the monsters or the time travel tech to the people of the past, keeping them completely in the dark. It's like the people of the future were basically lying to them.
I also like how the whole toxin thing is basically useless. They could just blow the ship up and no one would be forced to sacrifice themselves.
Apparently even shooting these things kills them. So why a toxin is needed...
@@SwiftNimblefoot exactly 😭😭
Two men killed the queen but the entire military couldn't stop it lmaooo
i head em say "explosives" and i thought "uhh why not lead with that?" especially when you didnt scope out the ENTIRE AREA?! that random fodder bitch found the cargohold full of the fucking things.
@@ricko2301 It wasn’t only one Queen.
I know this isn't a serious movie but it's pretty insulting to humanity to think they would just curl into a ball and give up when confronted by big lizard beasts given the horror of the last few centuries of war.
We have seen atom bomb ghost shapes burned into the concrete at Nagasaki and Hiroshima. We have seen mustard gas and incendiary grenades. We have seen napalm stuck to kids still burning under the water they thought would save them. We have seen heavy machine guns turn tens of thousands of men into red mist and bloody chunks - in a single day. We have seen diseased bodies hurled over castle walls and men's heads explode under the feet of elephants. Men have had to sleep with their clothes stained with the blood and brains of their best friends.
I don't think spying some space lizards, no matter how fearsome, would have us throw in the towel and welcome our species' demise.
this comment made me angry at the writers
💪🏾🔥🔥🔥🔥
I think terminators would be scarier and even those films show us fighting back. Lizard aliens? Guess that's the line we don't cross to fight.
COVID was enough to make people weak and stupid... I guess this narrative makes more sense nowadays
this is exactly what I was thinking when I saw these things. like wait a minute... humanity is brought to it's knees by something vulnerable to AP rounds from an AR 15... just send half the moms from Texas into the future.
Plot holes like people in the US voluntarily watching soccer
That didn't make sense, if it was any other country it would make sense
during christmas.
that really is the least realistic part of the movie smh
@@ninasimpson6639 is soccer even on during christmas? football yes but soccar!?
Falling into a shallow pool from 60 feet means your fine.
"People were so scared of bears they thought saying bear would summon one"
Literally a old Barney episode about camping made me scared about this as a kid. They all said starting singing about a bear and one showed up
You mean like a live bear? Was it cute?
Firguy the Foot Fetishist from 4chan I don’t know what AlternateKek is talking about but let’s just imagine an actual bear appears and mauled everyone on the set while it was it being filmed live.
@@funnyswangoosething5088 I hope it killed Barney. I hate that freak.
@@HelghastStalker Wait can youtube's bots delete your posts if you say "k!ll"?
@@Firguy_the_Foot_Fetishist probably
"He's a possum that finds garbage, funniest shit I've ever seen."
edit: I was watching some possum reviews videos and I found out someone did this before me rip
I'm Opossum Rick!
"He's turned himself into a possum. he's YMS POSSUM!!"
@@alexanderboulton2123 Nice reference.
@@ne3856 Si, gracias 🥰
@@alexanderboulton2123 No problem
Ah the discount Edge of Tomorrow movie that made even less sense, I guess the CGI wasnt as bad as I thought it would be so thats a plus.
Plus the film was surprisingly violent which was a plus I guess?
Well at least this film is still worth the 2 hours compared to skydance's T movies terminator 2 john conner's replacement day and terminator walmart bargain been genyise
@Ryan Vetter yes, i noticed that. not like i don't really mind though but damn it. even how they threw in alot of females in commanding positions......
The title" The Tomorrow War" sounds like the title for a parody of an action movie. Like it sounds like it would be on Rick and Morty's interdimensional cable. THE TOMORROW WAR... Its.. always tomorrow.. so... so you never have to worry about it..!
Yeah this movie is really just edge of tomorrow but done horribly wrong
It actually reminded me a lot of a scifi novel called The Forever War, which has a much better premise. Basically they send soldiers to fight some alien species in a war far off in space- and because time passes differently in space by the time they come back humanity has evolved into some freakish hivemind. There's some flaws, but I believe the author was going for a scary 'what if' situation. It's part of a three part series, the aforementioned title being book one.
How much did it make? Anyone knows?
Rick and Morty gae
Man but it's tomorrow, not Yesterday!!
The trailer made it look like the most generic Hollywood movie ever made
Well the trailer didn't lie
You mean generic to late 90's early 2ks?
Edge of tommorow and Independence day 2 were 7 years ago.(2014)
@@soldio4143 Don’t you dare pair Edge of Tomorrow with that garbage bag.
@@thepillowhead2453 They were both bad lmao. EoT stayed _nowhere near_ the source material and instead of huge battle axes we got some butter knife bs.
@@soldio4143 It was based on it, not an adaptation of it.
If the word "convenient" was a movie, this would be it
Seems like time travel is entirely unnecessary to the plot. Why not just have the aliens arrive and fight them directly? For the title? It seems like the father/adult daughter thing is the only plot reason for the time travel, and that could be handled differently.
See they couldve salvaged part of the movie where humans actually started rhe war due to time travel
Make it stand out against other alien movies
@@Cain35 "Oh, yeah that's the one with the dumb time travel gimmick" is not the best way to stand out, I'm thinking.
@FlashlightAbuse Probably, though I really think mech-suits/power armor is what people liked in EoT, not the Groundhog's Day element so much.
Because then it would just be an alien movie. But now it's a wacky quirky time alien movie!
I love how they had no other way to get rid of the initial large group of soldiers but to just have em fall to their deaths right away haha
bruh
@@ghostleemann955 bruh
they literally dropped off the script
Which just makes me _more_ confused, since having them get properly warped into the city and then progressively overrun by the aliens while Starlord and Company do their mission would have been a much cooler action setpiece.
Instead they picked something that was more boring _and_ stupid.
Fun fact: wheat is grass
Cool.
Fun fact: Wheat is a TYPE of grass.
So is corn, and most grains really. Bamboo is a type of grass.
Grass is pretty cool and doesn’t afraid of anything.
Fun fact: Corn is domesticated maize. Maize is domesticated grass. But why'd the goblin turn on the stove?
@@suwacc3237 To make popcorn obviously
This movie is another one of those popcorn movie that requires you to suspend your intelligence for 90+ mins.
Have you ever used it up to this point?
@@MouldMadeMind awww what’s the matter? Did I hurt your feelings by mocking this dumb movie? Lol.
@@JonWintersGold no i just saw my chance.
@@MouldMadeMind lol yeah right
@@JonWintersGold that defensive after one little comment?
Yeah actually I think hes right lol
This isn't a horrid film but I will say that the daughter twist was viewable from a country over.
It’s like in terminator if u think about it
Its got some bad writing regarding flawed logic, but other than that it could have been alot worse. Not saying this as a means to give it a free pass, just saying its not as absolutely terrible as some people are making it out to be. Not our possum boi though; he’s pretty fair/accurate with his review
I dont think it was even meant as a twist, or atleast not a major one. I was very glad that the movie established she is his daughter right when they meet 1-on-1, and not as "OMG" plot twist for the end.
Same could be said about the 'the aliens were actually just cargo' "twist". This, or 'they were always here - underground', were the only two options.
@@MyReligionIs2DoGood I love how somehow nobody figured that out, they even said something about looking for weird readings when they were in Russia...couldn't a satellite have picked that up??
As dumb as it would have been it would have worked better if there was some sorta conspiracy involving people who wanted the world to end blocking attempts to find the aliens. Again that's still kind of silly but it's not outright stupid like what we got.
Honorable mention to the Daughter that fires 50. HMG and the belt does not feed it, the rounds stay immobile while the HMG fires.
Technology sure has evoled in those 28 years
M2 HMG? Or was it a DSHK?
wrong, it does feed the last 10 or so rounds, but keeps firing long after the belt disappears into the gun
@@danielverlander5025 I thought I was the only one who noticed that lmao
@@robertharris6092 looked like an m2
also, I bet they don't even know why the Goblin turned on the stove.
that reference been soooo long without being said it always made me laugh xD
The Goblin turned on the stove to heat up the poker you can see sitting on the stove so it can use the classic 'hot poker' as a weapon later on... why is this so confusing. That's not even a joke. It's what happens.
Have you heard about the cheddar goblin though?
@@DamnedSilly okay, but "why" did the goblin turn on the stove?
I get that you are being mister no fun allowed, but, chekhov's gun.
They mention the stove, but never follow through. Sure it can be implied; but, it is never brought up again...
sure, shitty budget.. lost scenes.. things they wanted to shoot...
why have left that in if it isn't used.
because it is a shitty film; they likely had hours of unused shit... and, ran afoul of Chekhov's gun... if it servers no purpose, don't mention it.
that is why it is a joke.
and now
you are either trying to get me on the har har arties fartsies cop, or, you are just a curmudgeon; but either way...
@@faulkgough1768 The problem with that is that the poker IS used as a weapon. Sure, it was poorly set up but the intent is fairly obvious and therefore it's not much of a joke, much less a running one. The obvious answer is because when they were coming up with the kills for the movie some one said "What about a hot poker up the ass," and in their poor, sloppy way they tried to show that. If it was set up but not paid off you (and the possum) would have a point but it was so you don't.
From the very start I was thinking they should have sent back most of their scientists, data, and specs for tech like those drones. Then humanity could spend 20 years preparing.
At the same time, supplies and some units could be sent to the future to capture specimens to study in the future or some sent back to very secure facilities.
When the toxin was revealed, put that stuff in bullets or gas canisters and sprayers.
Trying to save a lost future at the expense of people and resources from the past made no sense.
the way i thought the movie would be bad was more interesting than this movie. because i thought it was some sort of evil combinish take-over scheme where they take out all the people that would rebel by sending them to fight the rebels of the future [themselves] or something, which is why they didnt show what the monsters looked like how they act all sketchy. only to find out the reason they did that is because the monsters look like a combo of a quite place, edge of tomorow, after earth, and the cloverfield monster.
to hide uninspired shit design... ohh god and the "ill come back to save you" line from chris... FUCKING WAHT?!
basic time-travel theory I think. The moment they took people to their timeline they created an alternate timeline. If they prepared the people in the past for the war their own timeline would still be fucked up since they've alternated events. Basically saving the past would only save the mcs timeline, and the timeline fighting the war would still be messed up with humans extinction. The people of what i dub the apocalypse timeline didn't want to die. Overall I liked this movie, critics are being a little unreasonable
@@sleepdeprived7879 That's when they have to accept that they are all dead but they have a chance to save humanity even if they are in another timeline. After all, if they're already down to a few hundred thousand from billions, they're done.
@@Thane36425 Yeah its what his daughter realized too. She knew those in the future were holding onto false hope. She never planned to survive.
@@Thane36425 FR. The premise of the movie is the people from the future decide to fuck up the past by getting past-people killed before they're meant to die, because the future timeline is legit acting unheroic. Even Dragonball Z handled it better.
The plot holes in this movie are large enough to drive a truck through.
Star Destroyer.
Very true
You can call them plot caves now.
@@ablosch2452 lol thanks!
@@Sabamika1 world engine
It feels like a remake of Edge of Tomorrow, but more confusing.
Edge of tomorrow was actually interesting and imo entertaining, this one tho, is just one huge plot hole.
Edge of Tomorrow had the benefit of being knocked off from a manga.
It was originally named live die repeat if I remember correctly
@@cjvand3080 yes but they renamed it for the DVD release, because it sadly flopped in the cinema
And without a time travel mechanic that is actually explained and makes sense.
This plot sounds exactly like a knockoff of Edge of Tomorrow.
Which is a far better movie.
Is that not the movie with the prey typhon and the person that if they die they get sent back to the start of the day
@@Riviera5252 yeah, the dude in the movie would die and be sent back in time by twenty-four hours.
and Prometheus, with the weaponized alien race/ buried spaceship storyline.
@@crazypath573 the Prometheus storyline was awful.
This entire movie sounds like it was just invented by Justin Roiland doing improv for interdimensional cable.
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Tomorrow war ending in one line: "The hero made a backflip, killed the bad guy and saved the day".
Until the 2.
Wow wow wow... wow!
I knew the concept is gonna bad and that Chris Pratt daughter was gonna be soldier because time travel. That and fighting a future threat would mean all we had to do is prep.
Why are all aliens these days just zergling swarms? It's so boring. They are dumb beasts, they could not defeat Earth. Even Zerglings are useless without Overmind control.
@@SwiftNimblefoot because mind control or peaceful ones are yo hard apparently
@@SwiftNimblefoot At least it’s more interesting than the generic big-headed ray-gun-toting grays in flying saucers or rockets, who want to probe us or have us take them to our leaders or something. That one is way too overdone.
@@SwiftNimblefoot im just gonna say a few titles. tell me what you see.
a quiet place
the edge of tomorow
after earth
issue with just prepping, is that everyone in the future who can´t travel back cause they have a younger version in 2020, would have to be left for dead, sure that´s a better plan objectively, than sacrificing god knows how many from the past, extending the lifespan of some future people for maybe a few months... especially when it´s all for nothing anyhow...
but the future people are the ones making the plans, they´re the ones who know what is going on, (while seemingly leaving the past in the dark) and they´re bound to be somewhat selfish. so their plan isn´t to win the war at any cost, creating a future with 8 billion people and no invasion... but to win in their timeline at any cost saving their 500 thousand.
though I doubt that´s what the directors had in mind, just the way I see it.
their selfish plan turns out to be for nothing anyhow as the movie ends in a way in which future humanity is destroyed, and in which the toxin meant to save them, just made the mission to destroy the aliens pre-emptively more dangerous and likely to fail... they walked around setting up explosives just fine, right until they started injecting them, at which point they awoke... they could´ve seemingly just as well shot them... or just blown up the spaceship and been fine.
Great review Mr. Possum, Sir - just one little correction 😅:
Chris Pratt's character (don't remember the name and don't care) doesn't have PTSD. In the original timeline there was no time travel from the Tomorrow War (i mean the timeline his future daughter lived in...).
Instead he left his family because he never got the job he wanted. Which might be worse than his dad leaving him because of his PTSD and anger problems...
This story is a mess anyway and was probably rewritten many times, so i believe they just forgot this little detail when creating the comparison between Chris Pratt and his dad. It's funnier this way 😄
The writer's forgot we time travelled into every war we've ever fought. *That's how time works.*
They could have literally travelled back into WW2 too and gotten people from there.
@@SwiftNimblefoot that’s a good one
@@SwiftNimblefoot even with time machine this sounds like a waste of time
@@SwiftNimblefoot people would be less likely to belive them then. And the world population is smaller.
@@SwiftNimblefoot what you suggest is way dumber than the actual movie. They weren't drafting to draft, they draft to have more time to find "a" queen and test "a" virus.
Sometimes I am fairly certain that Possum is Jesse "The Body" Ventura.
It might be!
After the movie, I was like...
"Okay?"
It would make more sense if the war was a lot _further_ in the future: then there could be a civilizational collapse between now and then, so anything _we_ did would be lost in the intervening centuries. [1] You could argue that the people in the future could help us avoid said collapse, but heck, the future people could just say we're such short-sighted, self-deluded pricks that no amount of advice would save us from screwing up - and given the last few decades, I'd have trouble saying they were wrong.
[1] Which was part of the backstory for SF writer Clifford Simak's "Our Children's Children", which has some similarities to this story, only rather than us going into the future to fight the aliens it's the future people going as one-way refugees into the past, because the invading monsters were in fact highly intelligent, the size of elephants, and resistant to anything short of heavy artillery.
Nobody would care, if it's thousand years in the future. You'd be dead, everybody you know would be dead, your great-grandkids would be dead.
It's too far removed. The government will probably set up some small department to prep, but that's about it. In TW it's less than 30 years. That's either within your lifetime or lifetime of your children, so it hits close to home.
The script has a hundred problems though, it's not good anyway
Still waiting for this guy to find out about Son of the Mask
And Ace Ventura Jr.
@@metalskullhead And that Dumb and Dumber Prequel
I want him to find out about Alien Vs Hunter.
@@darthcinema4262 or the Dumb and Dumber sequel
@@niggardlylad2008 I kinda like the second film. It's not as good as the first film, but it's not terrible either
They also completly ignore the fact that, by sending people that died between the start of the war and now, they will send a bunch of people that will have had children that can be fighting in the war at the future. Making a way worst paradox. But at the end of the day the paradox don't do shit because they alter the flow of time a bunch of.... times. Like, it's almost four different timelines.
Also, if you get sent to the war and die there, you will be "dead in the future" when they are conscripting people. Leading to you being conscripted, which leads to your death. It's moronic.
@@Jomppexx Oh no, it is even worse the more you think about it
Wait. He dies in the past because he got into a car accident after leaving his family because of PTSD that he got going into the future to fight a war that he only got drafted into because he died in the past due to what he experienced during the war in the future?
Did I get that right?
no. in the beginning of the movie he wanted to work in a lab, not just be a teacher, but he didn't get the job. basically he wanted to make some kind of great discovery and change the world but he never got the opportunity so over time he became distant with his family and abandoned them. there is even a line towards the end of the movie where he says something like "i kept trying to find the best future, but it was right in front of me the whole time" which implies that he realised that being with his family is more important than anything else he could have done.
Ahh, it's nice when there's a genuine review of a movie that explains 'why' it's got issues. That seems to be the gist many 'legit' reviews of the movie come up with. Good popcorn flick for mindless fun, but has structure and narrative issues. Not a bad movie because of who stars it and because Twitter demands canceling.
Why does Twitter want it canceled? I genuinely wanna know
@@mr.mcgreasy4531 Simply because Chris Pratt is a conservative guy
@@yanlopez674 that seems twitter enough smh
They want to cancel the movie that is composed of 90% POC and women? Twitter? They must really hate Pratt.
This film is quite bad, though.
@@HarryBalzak I kinda liked it, if u dont think of the logic then it isnt that bad (my opinion tho)
"They started conscripting civilians by the milliions and only like 1 in 5 make it back alive..." sounds like the imperial guard from 40k to me
The writers weren't smart enough to rip off 40K. If they were, the aliens would've been scarier.
Its one in five not one in a thousand
@@berserkasaurusrex4233 How? They aren't any less intimidating than the average tyrannid swarm.
@@oimeuchapa6995 one in a million
The imperial guard would mop the floor with those movie xenos. They already fight the tyranids so the movie aliens would just be a vacation for them.
If they can go back in time why don’t they just go throughout time picking up the strongest, smartest, or whatever
soldiers, generals, strategists, scientists and whatever of history put em together and let them solve the problem
You have a time machine there’s nothing stopping you from just using humanity’s best
Yep war never begins ... that would have been probably a good movie
@@I_dont_understand_25 I’m pretty sure there’s an anime about something like that
Where like historical figures fight each other
I’d like a more realistic take on it though I think the idea is really interesting
@@thisstatementisfalsenothin5312 sounds interesting
somebody should make a short film with this idea: "hey we solved the problem in five minutes by picking the right people from all over history. war is over"
Like a realistic Avatar-sequel: humans fly back to Pandora and just fire a rocket from orbit at the world tree or push an asteroid... no more blue smurfs, movie over in 5 minutes
@@thisstatementisfalsenothin5312 Is it Drifters or the Fate series?
This movie could have ended so much sooner if they just tracked down Ground Zero for the aliens in the first place...
thats what i was wondering the whole fucking movie. its like, you bastards know they sprout somewhere in russia...
@@lindinle government, it's all about government issue . But also nobody new "when they came". If not for the student, they would have know they were here for thousands of years. So... It would matter to search it due to the two conflict :when and government conflict.
@@elmichellangelo fuck off with that. they know where they came from but not when? give me a break.
The big problem I had with this one is near the beginning where they deployed to the future war with no training and little equipment, most are still in their office wear and the time machine fucks up and drops them off hundreds of meters in the air and ends up killing almost all of them. The ones that make it get up and are like "ok, this keep going" and they complete their mission and get ready to leave where they have to rendezvous with troops that are already on the ground and are better trained and packing heavy weapons and transport but get wiped out because they weren't wearing plot-armour. The commander lady then spends the rest of the mission shouting "get outa there" over and over which isn't a very good way to avoid the pending bombing run. Wouldn't it be easier to just delay or re-schedule the bombs? Then when the survivors return to base there isn't a confrontation where Owen Grady gets to tell the commander lady off for fucking up the deployment, the troop rendezvous, the bombing run, the useless orders and everything else that went wrong. He just wonders through the camp and agrees to go on the next mission because the last one went so well.
What’s the opposite of disappointment? Cause that’s basically what I felt while watching the movie. Based on the trailers, I’d already decided the movie sucked, so I found myself enjoying it more than I expected because of that. It had more emotion than I expected, but like Possum said in this video and another recent video, I am so tired of movies needing to be like Marvel and just throwing in annoying one liners and quips that undermine the entire scene. It’s like, the producers read the script, get through a scene and say, “Where’s the funny? Didn’t laugh in the last 2 minutes, fix it,” then throw it back at the writers. Same thing happened in Mortal Kombat, a scene wasn’t finished until there was a funny.
Marvel has shaped the action movie formula for years to come, and we’re all gonna suffer for it.
your lowered expectations made the movie better. I don't think marvel is shaping the funny one liners. they have always existed. I think the people making movies don't understand why the line is funny or why it is important or relevant in the movie experience. "Get to the chopper" isn't funny on its own. the actor going over the top with the line made it epic but also funny. I feel the one liners can give us a social bonding moment being able to repeat a quick one line in our every day life to remind us of a enjoyable action slog or interesting movie with a good one line quote from it. A way to add relevance and connection in our lives with a fun moment and someone else that is with us. I would say the line, "get to the chopper" while having to run through the rain to get to the car parked at the far end of the parking lot with a few friends with me would make the bad moment less bad giving the moment a feeling of comradery of doing an event together with the idea of it being an action scene. The current one liners are not something we can say in our every day lives they are only good for select context of what the joke was made for.
Satisfaction? Contentment?
Surprise.
Pleasantly surprised
The aliens had nothing special as a threat to humanity, they were just xenomorphs with that launched darts to unarmored people, the whole premise of the movie was dull in all sides.
yeah, and that's what the Xenomorphs were missing: biological guns... oh no, let's not give Ridley Scott any ideas 🤐
note the scene where they try to get the science team, you see darts in places and angles that make absolutely no sense.
@@lordmontymord8701 the thing is that xenomorphs were a threat to humans when unprepared, when WY hired mercs to deal with xenos, they came prepared and could do stuff like capturing queens and destroying hives, but the xenomorphs got with their way in the end because WY captured them and somehow they always escaped and ended up capturing colonies or ships.
But in the AVP spinoffs, aliens novels and comicsa there are spitter castes so that covers the gun part.
they're weaker than xenomorphs tho.
I'm surprised the concept of Multiverse theory never came up, considering that seems to be the logic this time machine works off of...
Also, he didn't leave the family because of the future war (since it hadn't happened inbtheir timeline), it was because he felt unfulfilled, which was brought up in the beginning of the movie before all the time travel stuff started.
But yes, the lack of preparing countermeasures in the past irked me too.
Apparently people are even dumber in the future than I thought. How did they even build a time machine?
@Stellvia Hoenheim The writer is a guy so curb your sexism I guess
@@roa3432 yea
As of my understanding of the future traveling logic on this movie, you don't change the future by changing the past, you only create an alternative future and end up having 2 different timelines.
That's why saving the future's past by training people there would not make them more prepared on the current future, or leaving samples around would not make it appears in the doomed future.(like Dragonball z trunks timeline)
The thing that really bothered me was this buildup for a biological weapon against the aliens, but it was all resolved by blowing up the ship anyways. So why the hell lose so much time creating it?
Plus, one thing I'm noticing about modern movies is that they don't seem to know how to end a climax. The female mob at the end could have been eliminated by the arms injection and would be satisfying.
Anyways the movie is not the best shit ever, but it's not that bad too.
this movie just didnt know how to time travel.
its all just bad writing.
Not that bad is some low ass standards. We have edge of tomorrow. We don't need this crap.
I like your breakdown of the timeline. I know they blew the ship up. But if there was even remotely the possibility of another ship they need to be thinking about stockpiling toxin and even perfecting an advanced delivery system. Shoot the toxin with modified elephant guns. Always prep just in case.
9:58 - Sarah Connor Chronicles does it very well, there's even a full episode dedicated to that when skynet is storing coltan shipments to supply Terminator factories. As well as several other assets.
Personally I fell that the best and easiest way to beat the monsters would be what you said “to send there equipment back in time” but to just repeat the process like prestigeing in a game. Now I know that there would be many versions of the future in the same time when they give them the tech but they could just go back a couple of weeks even days ahead of when they received the tech, and despite the notion that this could cause a paradox just remember that Chris Pratt has memories of a future that didn’t happen , I.e. fighting in a war that he stopped in the past.
Sounds like Chrono Trigger's time travel, only without the mystical elements that make it work.
Robo had to wait for some years after being done helping with the forest, he didn't give up hope because there wasn't a time machine nearby once he was done. But apparently mankind in this movie can't wait 28 years.
@@LorePlayingGame
Well we are in the times when anything is available at our fingertips.
Patience isn't a thing taught or easily mastered today.
Hell half the time a person might be considered lazy just for being patient. And the real sloths just get overlooked.
Big miss @15:00, no one from the future had advanced warning about the aliens, so in his adult daughter's timeline her father never got conscripted. He didn't leave from PTSD of the conscription, he left because he felt like he was meant for something great but felt like a failure as a highschool teacher. That's the whole point of the christmas party phone call and couch scenes.
i was more disturbed at a bunch of white people watching soccer at christmas.
The lack of reloading bothered me more than anything tbh
They didn’t have body armor or Magazines pouches… they had the 30 round 250 round magazines.
It could have been a nice movie like what if people in past becomes Tyrannical and militaristic then when the war starts people easily win against aliens because they prepared that for decades but after that people starts questioning their life ,governments are still Tyrannical even until war ends(sorry my english is not perfect)
because they don't want to give away the plot to whats going to happen in real life. lol also would be a better movie with an actual thought behind it.
@@TriariusMetzer yeah we can only dream good movies
Haven't actually seen it, but from your review I can already identify a couple problems I'd have with the movie based on your description:
First issue: the time travel. Sounds like relativistic wormholes, which I've heard about as an IRL time travel theory where you create a wormhole in the present, and send one end into a time dilation effect so that the two ends wind up pointing at different points in time because they apparently treat relative time as absolute somehow (in contrast, what I want to create someday is a scifi where they keep it relative, so if the two ends have different dilation then you can wind up with objects passing through getting compressed or stretched depending on which side the dilation was on, with diseases possible from smaller impacts and nuclear fusion or complete disintegration from extreme effects). Aside from the whole method of creation being incompatible with the future travelling into the past because the IRL description requires creation in the past (I'll presume they can somehow create the other end in the past to begin with from here on), even this method allows for time travel between different points if you either create more then one or apply some dilation to one end or the other, so their 1:1 constriction would only make sense if there was some sort of resource shortage where they could only pull it once, which would be a pretty damned important point to make. This doesn't even touch on the question of paradoxes, which is a _huge_ issue with any kind of time travel story, you need to address whether they are possible or if you're looking at multiple timelines or what... the only way this movie's description would make sense is if you assume multiple timelines where the daughter is from timeline B, which watched timeline A (their "future" which does not actually appear in the film) die and is now contacting timeline C (the "past" of the movie) for help and hoping to avert their own destruction, suggesting that there are probably infinite timelines where most have been failing to defeat the aliens, but this falls apart with the daughter accusing the father of abandoning her (unless there was clear dialogue where she knows he is not her father and merely a duplicate from another timeline and she's trying to pre-empt that happing in his timeline).
Sometimes I really think we need a whole new language just for time travel... I've heard good things about Lojban, I need to get around to learning that...
Second issue: treating civilians like idiots. Refusing to show images because they're afraid of a panic? Hell no, implement them into the culture as villains like the freaking Xenomorphs and you'll get generations who would _love_ to slaughter them wholesale. Keep them mysterious and the conspiracy theorists would come out of the woodwork (on top of your own point of increasing fear)! Even if they had a lovecraftian mindscrew effect from their visual appearance it shouldn't work in pictures (at most they'd trigger phobias in some subsect of the population, and the worst I can think of is if they were giant spiders or literal killer clowns), especially if they weren't implementing some sort of 3D holographic modelling to completely recreate their 5-dimensional structure, or whatever it was that made the human mind break down while trying to comprehend it, in the past...
Good thing Chris didn’t hook up with future daughter before finding out who she was. Imagine explaining that time paradox when you get back
Well, the reason that they didn’t wait 28 years to prepare is because they didn’t want the human race to go exctinct in the future timeline even though many people had already died, but I agree with that fact that it’s kind of dumb to send in so many innocent civilians who have no prior experience to war.
But that Future timeline is screw anyway sending a bunch of untrained old people isn't going to save them it's only going get more people killed.
@@Jayage5d yeah it was a really dumb decision
We come from the future to exterminate our ancestors from the past by taking them into the future, the smartest story I've ever heard.
I think you missed the biggest disconnect, the future didn't know the aliens were coming so its not in the same time line. That opens a hole other can of worms.
the whole movie is built upon a cluster-fuck of paradoxes.
This movie doesn’t do timelines just the River thing
@@fvrlit you remember stargate? how its a wormhole?
i feel like if the timetravel was done stargate style, they keep the wormhole open i think that would at least justify the times running concurrently. because you would have that doorway thing instead of a jump but they just had to have that dropping scene for no reason which honestly was so forced.
@@lindinle idiot. If a portal is open, they creature could storm the past. That's a big no.
@@elmichellangelo would make more sense with how they wanted time to work.
I'm really glad you're doing these quick reviews now! Your videos are among my favourites on RUclips and I'd much rather have a quick review on a somewhat regular basis, than a very detailed video once every 1½ months with nothing in-between, if I had to choose.
The monsters look like they’re cryptids from COD ghosts
Extinction?
@@DrDippo yeah
Underrated game mode
@@TexasLawbringer77 cod ghosts got too much hate but I like it, same with IW
Funny you mention Dungeons and Dragons, because those aliens look like Displacer Beasts.
Albino, nightmarish, non light manipulating, four legged, displaced beasts.
This movie was ok, specifically the entire family aspect of the film, it was very touching. Everything else is a complete joke even coming from a fan of Sci Fi flicks.
The thing I hated about this movie was the inconsistent power levels of the aliens. The first scene with them in the stairs is pretty incredible, but after that the aliens become super weak trash. At first in the streets they are terrifying snipers, but after that they have storm trooper aim. It ruined the second half of the movie for me.
Not defending the movie but I reeally like that creature design.
Literally the only thing I liked, a shame for the color tho.
2:25 IT'S RAINING MEN
personally, I kind of like the movie. I don't care about the story.
Yeah, it was entertaining enough
I had fun watching it, and I'm only realising these plot holes now
It’s fun to watch, but once you start really thinking about it it’s bad
Don't listen to some of these dick heads. Don't let Possum dictate your opinions and what movies you had fun watching. No shame in being entertained. Possum just points out the un obvious crap I ignored due to how fun the movie was to watch.
That being said, the review did make me realize it could have been better, and even entertaining movies like this have things wrong with it.
@@apekingiraxxxvii8569 Well said
"Possum Reviews" and "High Boi" need to make a video together that would be really neat
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Haven't seen the movie myself, but pretty sure they couldn't just "store stuff" to "send" it to the future... Correct me if I'm wrong, but we are talking here about different dimensions/timelines pretty much, aren't we? What doesn't make sense (if that's the case), is sending people from your timeline to a doomed one... Leaving you way more vulnerable when the alliens appear in yours :-s
If its pure "legit" timetravel and they are their actual past and future respectively... The whole thing doesn't make sense as paradoxes start pilling up... including being unable to win in the present by finding the ship, since the future needs to happen for them to be able to go there with the toxin...
(One Of The Things That I Just😍Love About This Movie Is How Realistic It Is In The Government’s Response To The Crisis In The First Half Of The Movie When The Military’s Strategy Didn’t Make Any Sense The Government Was Like😁Sure Let’s Spend Billions Of Dollars and Sacrifice Billions Of Lives In Order To Save-(🌏Earth-#2.)-No Cost Was Too Great But In The Second Half Of The Film When The Military’s Strategy Was Starting To Make More Sense The Government Was Like NO😡MORE We Cannot Sacrifice The Money Or The Billions Of Lives In Order To Save-(🌎Earth-#1.)-The Cost For Doing The Right Thing Was Just Too Great😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂).
My family and I had fun trying to predict the plot points to this movie. The two points I remember making was “let’s bet when volcano kid becomes important”, “these aliens are probably just grunts for a more intelligent force that doesn’t want to forge dirty work” and “they landed in northern Russia? Is there going to be a shoehorned global warming line?” (Though granted this was right after volcano kid mentioned the eruption towards the end)
We also loved reminding during some of the audio blunders. All in all to me it’s an enjoyable experience with some drinks though it’s thirty minutes too long.
i was watching this movie with my folks. i was the only one drinking while watching this, the booze kept my ass in the seat, but HOLY SHIT not enjoyable, because even drunk im still mentally there,[4loko so the caffeen maybe] i started the movie a bit tipsy, and after had to go out to the gas station TO GET MORE BOOZE because the movie pissed me off so much. but i found out at least my dad has better all though still questionable taste in movies. but he likes battlefiend L.A. ok
i asked him, if you had a dvd of both which would you be more inclined to watch first.
...battlefield L.A but at least that movie stuff made sense.
I don't get how aliens are losing wars against a species that hasn't even stepped foot on a different planet.
They aren’t hence the time travel to get more people to fight them. We were the ones who were losing. Plus we have time travel technology. We would’ve been a worthwhile opponent.
@@MamaMOB TBH I commented this before I finished the video.
My understanding (I may be incorrect, haven't seen the movie) is that the monsters humanity is fighting are NOT the aliens that flew their spaceship to earth but a seperate species.
The "monsters" are to the "aliens" as dogs are to humans.
@@Foojaleeckalikeelamaka Bro. What are you talking about man? (Westbrook voice) go watch the movie. The Aliens were here already for example (Thing, war of the worlds)…
@@Magicstockton I'm saying there are two different species of aliens. One is a higher intelligence (like us) & the other is a lower intelligence (like dogs). The higher intelligence ones pilot the craft & died while the lower intelligence ones survived & attacked humanity.
this is gonna sound dumb, but it's true
Bigger bullet = bigger penetration
They Should be using 50 caliber weapons and tanks.
Not dinky jeeps and assault rifles
i know,
But the only people who use bigger bullets in their standard-issue rifles are COMMIES!
I am just at a third minute, but I already have question about this movie: why can't they transfer their lab results into the past, so they can keep researching without "progressing" in time forward? I hope I will get an answer.
Okay they actually did it, but in an extremely stupid way. Why they have to send people from the past to fight and protect the lab, when they could just put teleporter into the lab and keep sending updates back in time, to have weapon ready for the moment aliens appears, so they can nuke them on the start with big toxic bomb or something?
The people of the future can't do any of that because they are really really stupid, they don't plan out anything.
The wormhole is exactly 20 years long, so time passes at the same rate on both ends, and you can't go through if you already existed on the other end. So time is a factor, but all the same there's no reason two teams couldn't have been working on the problem.
But the reason they want the "toxin" in the future is to save the people who can never leave that timeline and go back 20 years.
It's two different time lines happening simultaneously, and when they travel to the future, they are traveling to a different timeline. So if they saved themselves in the past, that fucked up future timeline remains messed up.
Have a stockpile of stuff for a future war just like the Purple Hearts
US has been awarding Purple Hearts struck for Operation Olympic planned for 1945-46 ever since. I think they are still available.
I found it hard to believe that the character didn't even consider the explanation of his father of having to move far away from his family because of PTSD considering he was supposed to be a veteran himself.
This movie also seemed like it was copying stuff from the extinction mode from Call of Duty Ghosts,mainly everything to do with the aliens.
It does!
Only it did it very badly.
This sounds more like the plot summary to a video game
more specifily a slavjank game.
this movie feels like the took the plot from the subpar FPS and just turned it into a movie
My wife was getting so irritated me; I couldn't stop complaining about how stupid everyone and everything was in this movie. Nothing makes any sense.
Wife: _"Shush, hun, Chris Pratt is talking."_ ;)
Yeah, I didn't like it as much as my family did. I thought it was cliche and kinda mediocre. I mean, yeah, why couldn't they have just mass produced the toxins and prepared them for the future war (sorry), and all your plot-holes and stuff held up. (Not in a good way). And at the beginning, they were having this "look at us, we know science and biology follow us on reddit" stuff with the daughter, but no one falling that far when they came to the future could've survived a fall into that pool, not easily. It's not like concrete, but it's not Minecraft, either. But that one's definitely a nitpick. Good review, first review that I saw the movie for!
Engineer gaming
“They start conscripting civilians by the millions and only one in five make it back alive”
Personally I enjoyed the movie. I feel its better than most of the other action movies hollywood has come out with and it's got some pretty good scenes. Nice fun brainless movie.
its very fun imo i enjoyed it. Me and my brother laughed at the end fight scene with Chris and his dad against the female alien
@@plague2982 that was absolute garbage, one man fist fights the queen alien and kills it yet the Military couldn't get the job done.
i cant enjoy brainless shit anymore.
@@ricko2301 notice how he said “brainless”
Let's not forget how Chris Pratt goes Super Saiyan at the end & fights the female white spike hand to hand. That part kinda fucked it up for me.
I agree with almost all of your comments. This plot and movie made no sense and the plot holes were so bad, you couldn't even enjoy the movie. I wanted to clarify one thing you touched on about Chris Pratt having PTSD from the future war - I don't think they were saying that Chris Pratt has PTSD from the future war and that's why he left his daughter. In her timeline he didn't go to the future (one of many plot holes). He was unhappy being a school teacher combined with PTSD from his Iraq tours seems to have made him decide to leave his family. This also doesn't make any sense and isn't consistent with his character.
The "time machine" creates two separate realities (different rivers). That is why they can't just wait. They technically could, but they would be abandoning/letting the other reality die. The future timeline needed help and its past could not be altered (even if the 2022 timeline is changed). I agree this movie is bad and stupid, but that is one inconsistency that the writers thought of.
The writers were on weed the entire time. They also invented new physics, because our current physics doesn't allow such "time machine" with 2 realities.
Fun Fact: wheat grass tastes sweet believe it or not.
how would you know that?
@@lindinle i've grown it before, and put it in a juicer.
@@maskdjon you eat it? drink it?
@@lindinle you can do both but i've only juiced it. You can buy a 3 by 3 in. Patch at meijer if you want.
It really starts to suffers from the plotholes as it goes on, but I thought the sound design and cinematography were incredible.
Waiting for him to do a Possum Monster movie 😂🤣. Godbless
9:14 Sooooo... those survivors she talks to in the group... did they just run into a group of aliens that weren't all that hungry? Or were they in the process of being eaten when their timer went off? Lucky that an alien never grabbed one of your guys AS their timer went off and got sent back to the past with them...
Charlie's "shitstorm" down the stairs is the most realistic part of the fight. He's a terrified civilian who's already lost his wife to the war and is a nervous talker. It's totally in keeping with character and wasn't really funny so much as a "yeah, that would probably be me." Moment.
The thing is that there isn't a single movie about time travel where the main issue is the time travel, even The Time Machine where the protagonist jumps millions of years into the future and is regarded as one of the best of it's genre has issues with it, might as well become a Cinemasins gag. Free time travel in itself is a paradox and the rules that "govern" it are paradoxical with each other so either you pick one and forget the others, or forget it.
That being said, "why didn't they prepare against the aliens" was poorly managed by the movie, along with plenty other movie things, because just by them traveling to the past should create a paradox where that future wouldn't exist which would not send them to past so they couldn't warn the past which makes the future exist and travel to the past to warn the past and so on, so this has to be an alternate future, or a parallel future, and the main reason the future was drafting was to create the toxin, which the world leaders didn't know for some reason.
tl;dr Time travel is a paradox on itself, complaining about it is like saying the sky is blue or apples are red and then ignoring that they aren't all the time. There are plenty more issues with the movie that could be picked, and choosing time travel is like picking the safest choice for people to agree with you.
Agreed. I cannot think of a single Time Travel movie that has something off. Even if that something off is that fixing the timeline would eliminate any reason for them to do so in the first place.
I.E. Avengers Endgame. They said screwing something up in the past will create an alternate reality, so wouldn’t killing Thanos’s past self do that too? Or wouldn’t Captain America going back in time to live until he was an old man do the same?
Or Terminator. Skynet was created from the remains of the same exact Terminator Unit that it personally sent back in time itself?
Why does the time travel work like rafts going down a river? Why didn't the future scientists send at least some data to the past?
... Why did the goblin turn on the stove?
It works that way because the story needs it to. If you can just travel to any point in time you need to, it guts the suspense the story needs to have. They also aren't consistent with it, because the explanation cites that time is a single current, yet they play upon the idea of different timelines. There's an utter lack of temporal mechanics going on here. Their description makes it sound like time travel would be a closed loop, yet it obviously isn't, so the "raft" idea is invalid.
Bless you kind sir. I had such a problem with all these people being drafted to fight and the future folk still not revealing, at least offscreen what the Whitespikes looked like. The logic made no sense as everyone was already forced to fight.
I liked it. It was just a dumb movie where you can switch your brain off and watch.
My brain is what I use to enjoy movies, stop with that bullshit argument
@@brianaguilar8283 it's not a argument tho???
Which is every fucking movie now, don't people want anything intelligent.
@@bentramer682 At least think out your bullshit and be consistent. It can still be unrealistic to us but it should make some sense in universe.
@@brianaguilar8283 Amen to that. I hate that "popcorn movie" logic. There's no reason a movie can't be entertaining and not dumb
The aliens kinda look like the Cloverfield monster with two tentacles stuck on their backs.
LAAAAAAME
Wait but if they go back in time can't they prepare for the war with tactics and knowing enemy wickness e new technology before to be ready, so that the war basically never happens?
Exactly this movie's plot is f***** up. Where did you send technology better guns and stuff back in the past and as well as information and where it starts so you could just get a really big head start?
*weaknesses
Nothing about how this movie uses time travel makes any sense.
send some of them drones back. they even said it was SOMEWHERE IN RUSSIA.
@@lindinle do you have any idea how massive russia is? they don't know the location
@@666FallenShadow yeah its big but that dont really mean shit when they could have simply sent a fuck load of drones to the past.
It has issues but it's the most solid movie I've seen this year. The CG and Practical Effects on the White Spikes is great tho. Love the design. Looks straight outta Gears Of War
Yeah the monsters vaguely resemble the Sires from Gears Of War.
the monsters look like other monsters a quiet place, after earth, the host, GOW(5). the design is uninspired and whatever inbred designed it should be hung to death by his or her own intestines.
He didn't Abandon them, she's from a timeline in which they didn't know about the war, after he didn't get that job from the opening he and his wife drifted apart and ended up getting a divorce, two years after the divorce while he was driving to her birthday party he died in a car accident, that's what she meant by he left them. In her timeline he never went to the war he died 23 yrs before the war started.