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I think Rogue One and Star Wars Rebels can stay. Especially if they use the World Between Worlds from Star Wars Rebels to make The Sequel Trilogy an alternate timeline.
I was insulted about "Discovery" by a self-proclaimed fan who had the nerve to claim I was a troll for making a little joke about the show. I'm a huge fan of Deep Space Nine. The series was perfect. In contrast to the stuff that Bryan Fuller and Alex Kurtzman did. That wasn't and isn't Star Trek for me.😒
I'm an OG ST:TOS fan. I liked later TNG seasons. Deep Space 9 was really good! ST:VOY was okay but could have been better. Enterprise...Capttain Archer was a prick. But I liked the pre:TOS concept. STD, I didnt bother it was too much of "reimagining for the modern audience". Meh.
I never had a problem with the idea of a Star Trek series focusing on a more serialized storyline, but not in the direction Kurtzy-boy and his lackeys took. Merry Christmas, Mecha, and take care.
Loved Lower Decks, only NuTrek I liked. Really loved Lower Decks. Lower Decks also showed TOS in the original form, no visual reboots, no 25% difference.
The words "canon" and "non-canon" in ST has been carelessly used by so many people. ST:D was was an *alternate* reality -- which s05e10 of _Lower Decks_ used the gateway as part of their Multiverse exposition. Being part of an alternate reality in ST does *not* make an entire series non-canon. Note that _ST:TOS_ originally placed the Eugenics Wars in 1992. *_That_* was canon. Later series tried to stay away from the subject up until _ST:Ent,_ which showed Archer a certain IRL event in 2001 -- which logically separate _their_ reality from the TOS continuity -- which we'll call the "Prime" universe in this situation. The final episode of _ST:Ent_ gave more proof that they're separate from the Prime universe with the Paraagan colony explosion in the episode _'Shockwave',_ which Agent Daniels himself stated that it wasn't supposed to happen. The Bell Riots in DS9's "Past Tense" episodes might place the _DS9_ continuity in a separate one as well. And if so, there's also a chance that _TNG_ is separate from the Prime -- especially if ST:Picard's part of the TNG continuity. The Khan Project in _ST:Picard_ never happened before 2024 -- so yeah, that's another loose end. _ST:SNW_ cleverly inserted a deep cover Romulan agent in S02's "Tomorrow and Tomorrow and Tomorrow" -- an attempt to retcon everything. Her confusion as to _why_ she had to wait a few extra decades undercover in order to find Khan Noonien Singh gives more credence to this unspoken theory that _might_ be multiple realities in which they're a part of -- which obviously is a consequence of trying to write for a franchise, with multiple shows spanning more than a millenium's worth of events (including real ones). tldr: Everything is canon -- unless we're excluding _ST: The Animated Series._ Which would *then* put the _Lower Decks_ universe in question with its Caitians, Kzinti, Aurelians, and Spock 2's skeleton. Which would *_then_* put LD's gateway in question... Janeway hated time travel. Imagine how irate she'd be if she was thrust into this multiversal mess. lol
We tried to explain this to EVERYONE, but NuFans would not listen...and kept calling us gatekeepers, over & over. We got tired of that garbage, REAL FAST. The EVENTS proved that it wasn't canon....
The star exploded in the prime timeline, which is what Spock was attempting to stop in the prime timeline before they were sent back in time, which altered the timeline creating an alternate timeline. Discovery isn't part of the alternate timeline created in the 2009 movie. Season 2 of Discovery takes place at the same time in universe when the 2009 Star Trek movie does.
I mostly agree with people who say that it doesn't really matter whether New Trek is canon or not, what matters is that it's garbage. My main problem with New Trek is that it is anti-Trek. It mocks Old Trek's heroes and the values that they represent - - it corrupts their characters, and it sneers at their decency and strength. New Trek didn't need to do that. If they wanted to make Game of Thrones in Space, they could have done that without spitting on Old Trek. New Trek is a mean-spirited, empty, depressing attempt to kick older generations in the groin. 🖖🖖🖖 I pray for your health. Season's Greetings (and Merry Christmas) to one and all. Live long and prosper.
I actually did like lower decks. It may not have been what I expected of Star Trek but we knew from the get go it would be anew direction for the franchise and I think it did a good job. I enjoyed it far more than Amy of the other content over beginning with the film JJ was a part of. I think it is a shame we never got to see Captain Sulu get a full season at least on the Excelsior and the same for Riker on his own ship. Both of those actors wanted to do those shows and I am confident the audience would have watched.
What is so funny is that my ultra lib "friends" in the nerd community would constantly defend STD as if it were a religion. STD was angry, bitter, gritty, dumb and bitter in stark contrast to anything OG Trek. Now that the show is over it is as if it never existed. Nobody I know that was fans of the show can name the entire cast of STD nor do they have any favorite episodes they can name, and most never even watched the final season. Much like Star Wars and NU Doctor Who, they could erase and write off everything post 2015 and start fresh and only five people on Twitter and Tiktok would be "outraged."
Thank you for pointing this out. I never knew anybody who defended STD, so I was curious to know how anybody could defend a show that asked us to like the main characters who were mass murderers, mutineers, war-starters, and betrayers of friends. Evidently STD's "fans" were not truly invested in the show: it was just a momentary entertainment with no lasting value, a mindless flash-bang for the rave generation. Live long and prosper, and Season's Greetings.
To be honest, I didn't know the entire cast of any of the series after only a couple of watchthroughs lmao And being able to name all the characters really is irrelevant. I can't name every single character to ever appear in any of the series, because I don't memorize them. I watch for the content of the episode/movie, not the cast list, etc. Discovery is no different. In time, the more I watch it again and again, the more the cast names will stick in my head. I mean, I've watched the entirety of CSI (original and spinoffs) more than once, and there's only a handful of cast names I can recall off the top of my head.
I liked Picard season 3. The crew getting back together again was earned and not randomly tossed in like McCoy was on STNG. As a send off it was way better than the last episode of Enterprise.
Heard its not official yet. It's just based off of some easter eggs in, i think star trek lower decks. Would be glad if its gone. Really hated the plot point where a child's distress resulted in the warp cores blowing up in the 31st centrury starships
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I like Discovery but it is not in the same league as the Original Series or the canon, but and this goes for DC and Marvel too MULTIVERSE! this show does not need to be a rewrite of the Kirk series, dang. none of the new Trek even needs to replace old trek, ever.
It isn't erased from Canon, this is coming from a joke scene in Lower Decks to troll people. Sorry to the people who want it to be erased but it's canon the lower decks scene doesn't decanonise (not a word but we will use it) the events of Discovery. For a start there's a crossover between the Lower Decks and the characters that spun off from Discovery and appear in that series. They just have a Klingon turn in to another version of a Klingon and it looked like a Discovery Klingon. I will admit I disliked the Klingons in Discovery but me not liking it doesn't make it not part of the universe. Second opinion the only real position is, is it the prime timeline (it is) if not then it's still canon just in the same way the Terran Empire is. That said if people don't like it, that's fine it happens to be one of my least favourite and least re-watchable Trek series and I'm a huge Trekkie! It's ok to not like something.
you're right, you not liking it doesnt make it not canon however what also makes it not canon despite what the "producers" and company like or think is when it doesn't jive at all with the original content whatsoever and it becomes a disjointed mess between the original and the "continuation". It would be akin to Disney Star Wars introducing a Super Death Star before a New Hope and then trying to claim it was cannon despite all actions in a New Hope illustrate that a device like the Death Star is/was something never before seen by the galaxy. STD nonse of "spore drives" comes before even the Trek Constitution class ship which is akin to that Super Death Star, nevermind the other oddities and cannon breaking crap that they tried to introduce. So much so that they had no choice but to shove this in an alternative "reality" despite all the fanfare when all started that this would be canon and in the same Universe as Kirk, Spock and McCoy when legally and storywise, it never could be.
@@The_Zilli People think just because a studio owns a franchise that is the only requirement for something to belong in the same conceptual universe. In other words, because it is labeled Star Trek, that means it is Star Trek. As you pointed out betraying the principle of non-contradiction is sufficient to remove it from continuity. This is a basic concept in modal logic and related possible world theory. In narratives, the example most referred to is that the "King of France is both bald and has a full set of hair." France does not have a king, but it is logically acceptable as a counterfactual (a possible world), but the law of non-contrition is violated in the second part. it is the same as a married bachelor. For Star Trek, Klingons can't be both inherently covered with hair and free of hair at the same time. The showrunners realized this and then proceeded to try to attempt to repair that but the damage was done and their convoluted answer didn't' work. The thing is, the attitude many have is, "who cares? I'm entertained." In other words, they both want to justify the shows they like as part of Star Trek and at the same time, hand wave away arguments that clearly show that Nu-Trek is incoherent nonsense and has separated itself from actual Star Trek by is consistent violation of the three principles of logic, contradiction, excluded middle. and identity, and by the ridiculous amount of contrivances.
@@Rabbithole8 Long post but I did read it! You're right a lot of people are under the impression that Nu-Trek is just "retconning" the franchise when in reality it always was it's seperate thing because legally, it had to be. Not many are aware of the business/contract/legalities between CBS, Paramount, Viacom and Star Trek. When they split in 2006, they agreed to make Trek movies visually and tonally different from each other. STD comes out in 2017. Paramount and CBS merge again in 2019 however the rights of Trek are all messed up between ownership between CBS, Paramount and JJ/Kurtzman. SkyDance bought out CBS/Paramount, they want to streamline the property again and are currently figuring out how to divest itself from Kurtzman/JJ (last I've heard). So no matter what Lower Decks said or STD fans hope for, it ALWAYS was non-canon.
Ultimately, the only canon that is indisputable is HEAD canon. If any old science fiction show like Sliders, Stargate Universe, or some other show that for some reason never really appealed to you decided to slap the name Star Trek in front of it ("Star Trek: Sliders", for example), we all know damn well that doesn't make it canonically Star Trek in our minds and hearts. I like how someone once compared Star Trek to a buffet; you're not supposed to like everything in it, you just pick out what you want and enjoy it. That being said... no, Star Trek: Discovery is NOT Star Trek IMHO. 🖖
Star Trek got lost to heavy-handed preaching. ST was always subtle and thoughtful ("Let That Be Your Last Battlefield"). Now? Yuck. Jumped off the deep end.
Ich finde es in Ordnung das die discovery raus gestrichen haben weil Quanten Realität. SNW gefällt mir tatsächlich ganz gut bin gespannt ob die da auch irgendwann zum Ende der Serie was machen das die dann vom Look her nach TOS aussehen werden. 🤷🏼♂️
Just so long as they stop trying to ram Michael Burnham down our throats. It's a godawful show that cost too much and that nobody likes. If the fans are upset, they can both go cry in a corner.
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Hate to tell you this but star trek the next generation, star trek deep space nine, star trek Voyager and star trek Enterprise is really not true canon than as well
You grew up with Star Trek in the ‘90s? 🤦♂️ I think I’ll go watch TOS classic, Spock’s Brain. It’s infinitely superior to everything that came afterward.
Why is discovery good and JJ is bad. That doesn't make any sense at all. They told the viewer right away this was a separate timeline. They were smart. And then you can relax and just enjoy some fun star trek movies without worring about all the details. Why is that bad?
It's always been canon and has not now nor will it ever actually be decanoized despite what Lady McHairdye and Pick Me Boobs desperately wants to believe because a clickbait rag lied to her. Normal people understand this.
Wokeness taught me that we all have to make our own individual canon. Or else someone else will always be telling you what to think. Mine is the original series and the original series films Wrath of Khan, Search for Spock, and The Voyage Home. TNG and the TNG film First Contact. And DS9 and Voyager. To me they embody the true spirit of Star Trek. Everything else that calls itself "Star Trek" either is a poor imitation or a cheap mockery.
In fact, there are some that wouldn't consider TWOK "real" Star Trek because of the revenge plot, etc. In fact, I know someone who considers real Star Trek to be TOS, TMP, and the first 2 seasons of TNG... his view is that anything made after Gene was out of the picture isn't real Star Trek as Gene envisioned it.
What is your definition of woke? Most people who complain about their media being "woke". Say that because there are people of color in it, women in leading role, LGBTQ people, or show talks about social issues. Which is what Star Trek has alway been about.
I think people are upset on both sides for no reason. Alternate reality stuff in Star Trek IS canon just in their own alternate reality. So these events occurred, just not in the main Prime Star Trek timeline. All the mirror universe stuff is canon just not in OUR Prime universe. So the people who hate discovery can be happy its not set in prime universe and people who liked it can still like it and it actually happened in THAT timeline which CAN later be explored so why is everyone mad, its fine.
Why couldn't the Klingons shown in Discovery simply be another race on the Klingon home world? Earth had Neanderthal and Homo Sapiens living side by side. Both were human. Andoria had the Andorians and the Aenar. Couldn't the same have happened on Qo'noS? That's been my head canon for the variations of the same species we've seen in Star Trek. Tellarites anyone? How many different looks have they had? Also, Lower Decks just showed a Klingon with the Discovery look, but Klingons may have that look in multiple dimensions. Lower Decks just showed the different possibilities, it did not remove Discovery from Canon.
The fiends that be tried to pass of their garbage trek creation as canon(complementary to the original/TNG) from the get go. Only later when they realized the fandom isn’t quite buying it they decided to say it’s an alternate reality. Like somehow if it’s an alternate reality it automatically becomes more palatable. In no way is the new stuff compatible with the original/TNG. Trek Ended with Star Trek Nemesis(unfortunately). Star Trek Continues is the last of decent trek.
there are 3 continuities now: prime timeline (tos - picard), kelvin timeline (jj movies) and now the woke timeline (discovery, strange new worlds, lower decks, section 31)
As far as I am concerned there hasn't been any real Star Trek since the final episode of season 4 of Enterprise. TATV was a horrible episode but season 4 of Enterprise was one of the best seasons of Star Trek ever written, it respected what came before it and still had the spirit of Star Trek in it.
They should just say the 2 different Kilngons are just cousins not genetic. Tampering and leave it Doesnt this mean. Strange New World isnt either. And Picard dominoes fall
SNW is not cannon but the versions we see in SNW does look different than the Disco versions- uniforms, sets, ship. So it may be a different universe or timeline again.
Or there's this thing called the linear progression of time in relation to television production, so ships, sets, costumes and props are going to look different over time by default. Wrath of Khan looks and feels nothing like any given episode of TOS, are the movies in an alternate timeline too? Does any of Star Trek actually take place in the same universe? I bet not under your logic(?).
@@leosklein7118 Okay so when they do a time travel scene should they just make it look like its not from the past? That doesn't make any sense. The framing matters. I get what what you are saying and I think that SNW tries to strke a balance on the retro aesthetic . In the TOS movies there was normally an in-universe reason for the bridge to look a little different, or it was in a tolerance that we are willing to suspend disbelief for. These kinds of things matter when you have fans who are invested in the show, the story and the characters.
I find Lower Decks entertaining, but it's too much of a clown show for me to consider cannon. It's very silly, is borderline racist and definitely misandrist at times, bit is entertaining.
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Nu Trek is stupid on so many levels you can’t possibly list them all.
The Christopher Pike show is 1000x better than STD. STD was positive bigotry at its finest
Please, by all means, waste your time and try to list it all. Spend the rest of your life doing so if you feel so inclined so you don't bother anyone else with your inanity.
Season 3 was real trek
@@stevenw.miguelI fully agree, but the pike show has some big flaws
"Discovery was "Hella Garbage!" 🗑️ 🤷🏽♂️
That whole show was an STD lol
So agree!
Worse.
Can we do Disney's Star Wars next? Rogue One can stay, the rest I don't really care about.
I think Rogue One and Star Wars Rebels can stay. Especially if they use the World Between Worlds from Star Wars Rebels to make The Sequel Trilogy an alternate timeline.
Just treat as canon the stuff you like. Thats all the new show runners do for any of these series
It was never canon.
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I love the fact that is was hinted at in Lower decks 😂😂
I was insulted about "Discovery" by a self-proclaimed fan who had the nerve to claim I was a troll for making a little joke about the show. I'm a huge fan of Deep Space Nine. The series was perfect. In contrast to the stuff that Bryan Fuller and Alex Kurtzman did. That wasn't and isn't Star Trek for me.😒
I'm an OG ST:TOS fan. I liked later TNG seasons. Deep Space 9 was really good! ST:VOY was okay but could have been better. Enterprise...Capttain Archer was a prick. But I liked the pre:TOS concept. STD, I didnt bother it was too much of "reimagining for the modern audience". Meh.
I agree for the most part! I ended my canon with the FASA RPG technical guides. The rest was Fan Fiction, some great some not but not my canon.
CBS: "These shows aren't Star Trek anymore."
Star Trek fans: "Never were."
I never had a problem with the idea of a Star Trek series focusing on a more serialized storyline, but not in the direction Kurtzy-boy and his lackeys took.
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Loved Lower Decks, only NuTrek I liked. Really loved Lower Decks.
Lower Decks also showed TOS in the original form, no visual reboots, no 25% difference.
Would Picard also be decanonised? I never finished that or Discovery so I don’t know if there was any direct crossover.
The words "canon" and "non-canon" in ST has been carelessly used by so many people.
ST:D was was an *alternate* reality -- which s05e10 of _Lower Decks_ used the gateway as part of their Multiverse exposition. Being part of an alternate reality in ST does *not* make an entire series non-canon.
Note that _ST:TOS_ originally placed the Eugenics Wars in 1992. *_That_* was canon. Later series tried to stay away from the subject up until _ST:Ent,_ which showed Archer a certain IRL event in 2001 -- which logically separate _their_ reality from the TOS continuity -- which we'll call the "Prime" universe in this situation.
The final episode of _ST:Ent_ gave more proof that they're separate from the Prime universe with the Paraagan colony explosion in the episode _'Shockwave',_ which Agent Daniels himself stated that it wasn't supposed to happen.
The Bell Riots in DS9's "Past Tense" episodes might place the _DS9_ continuity in a separate one as well. And if so, there's also a chance that _TNG_ is separate from the Prime -- especially if ST:Picard's part of the TNG continuity. The Khan Project in _ST:Picard_ never happened before 2024 -- so yeah, that's another loose end.
_ST:SNW_ cleverly inserted a deep cover Romulan agent in S02's "Tomorrow and Tomorrow and Tomorrow" -- an attempt to retcon everything. Her confusion as to _why_ she had to wait a few extra decades undercover in order to find Khan Noonien Singh gives more credence to this unspoken theory that _might_ be multiple realities in which they're a part of -- which obviously is a consequence of trying to write for a franchise, with multiple shows spanning more than a millenium's worth of events (including real ones).
tldr: Everything is canon -- unless we're excluding _ST: The Animated Series._ Which would *then* put the _Lower Decks_ universe in question with its Caitians, Kzinti, Aurelians, and Spock 2's skeleton. Which would *_then_* put LD's gateway in question...
Janeway hated time travel. Imagine how irate she'd be if she was thrust into this multiversal mess. lol
We tried to explain this to EVERYONE, but NuFans would not listen...and kept calling us gatekeepers, over & over.
We got tired of that garbage, REAL FAST.
The EVENTS proved that it wasn't canon....
Nufan?
So you alienated everyone who would listen to you by acting like a weird jackass? Got it.
Man I love strange new worlds. I think that is the best thing since DS9.
Let us all remember there was a writers bible written by roddenberry. Discovery violates the rules
I don’t expect Section 31 to be that great either, too bad we didn’t get the one we wanted with Sloan, Reed, Bashir and O Brien
The star exploded in the prime timeline, which is what Spock was attempting to stop in the prime timeline before they were sent back in time, which altered the timeline creating an alternate timeline. Discovery isn't part of the alternate timeline created in the 2009 movie. Season 2 of Discovery takes place at the same time in universe when the 2009 Star Trek movie does.
I mostly agree with people who say that it doesn't really matter whether New Trek is canon or not, what matters is that it's garbage.
My main problem with New Trek is that it is anti-Trek. It mocks Old Trek's heroes and the values that they represent - - it corrupts their characters, and it sneers at their decency and strength.
New Trek didn't need to do that. If they wanted to make Game of Thrones in Space, they could have done that without spitting on Old Trek. New Trek is a mean-spirited, empty, depressing attempt to kick older generations in the groin.
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I think Strange New Worlds is quite good.
Prodigy is really good, and for a kids' show, it had more plot than STD! 😅
I'm so glad that this god-awful show STD is GONE!!!!!
ST:D is gone? How sad, that they have not done this earlier.
I actually did like lower decks. It may not have been what I expected of Star Trek but we knew from the get go it would be anew direction for the franchise and I think it did a good job. I enjoyed it far more than Amy of the other content over beginning with the film JJ was a part of. I think it is a shame we never got to see Captain Sulu get a full season at least on the Excelsior and the same for Riker on his own ship. Both of those actors wanted to do those shows and I am confident the audience would have watched.
The true Star Trek fandom did that right after STD’s utterly sorry premier.
What is so funny is that my ultra lib "friends" in the nerd community would constantly defend STD as if it were a religion. STD was angry, bitter, gritty, dumb and bitter in stark contrast to anything OG Trek. Now that the show is over it is as if it never existed. Nobody I know that was fans of the show can name the entire cast of STD nor do they have any favorite episodes they can name, and most never even watched the final season.
Much like Star Wars and NU Doctor Who, they could erase and write off everything post 2015 and start fresh and only five people on Twitter and Tiktok would be "outraged."
Thank you for pointing this out. I never knew anybody who defended STD, so I was curious to know how anybody could defend a show that asked us to like the main characters who were mass murderers, mutineers, war-starters, and betrayers of friends. Evidently STD's "fans" were not truly invested in the show: it was just a momentary entertainment with no lasting value, a mindless flash-bang for the rave generation.
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To be honest, I didn't know the entire cast of any of the series after only a couple of watchthroughs lmao And being able to name all the characters really is irrelevant. I can't name every single character to ever appear in any of the series, because I don't memorize them. I watch for the content of the episode/movie, not the cast list, etc. Discovery is no different. In time, the more I watch it again and again, the more the cast names will stick in my head. I mean, I've watched the entirety of CSI (original and spinoffs) more than once, and there's only a handful of cast names I can recall off the top of my head.
I liked Picard season 3. The crew getting back together again was earned and not randomly tossed in like McCoy was on STNG. As a send off it was way better than the last episode of Enterprise.
When in reality, the finale of LD didn't do anything of the sort.
Shush shush shush. Let them cope. They need to cope. 🤫
Heard its not official yet. It's just based off of some easter eggs in, i think star trek lower decks.
Would be glad if its gone. Really hated the plot point where a child's distress resulted in the warp cores blowing up in the 31st centrury starships
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Ironically, Picard season 3's showrunner had worked on Star Trek before... and by before, I mean, they worked on Voyager and Enterprise. lol
Great but it was never cannon because it was alternate universe. Not prime universe
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I like Discovery but it is not in the same league as the Original Series or the canon, but and this goes for DC and Marvel too MULTIVERSE! this show does not need to be a rewrite of the Kirk series, dang. none of the new Trek even needs to replace old trek, ever.
It isn't erased from Canon, this is coming from a joke scene in Lower Decks to troll people. Sorry to the people who want it to be erased but it's canon the lower decks scene doesn't decanonise (not a word but we will use it) the events of Discovery. For a start there's a crossover between the Lower Decks and the characters that spun off from Discovery and appear in that series. They just have a Klingon turn in to another version of a Klingon and it looked like a Discovery Klingon. I will admit I disliked the Klingons in Discovery but me not liking it doesn't make it not part of the universe. Second opinion the only real position is, is it the prime timeline (it is) if not then it's still canon just in the same way the Terran Empire is. That said if people don't like it, that's fine it happens to be one of my least favourite and least re-watchable Trek series and I'm a huge Trekkie! It's ok to not like something.
you're right, you not liking it doesnt make it not canon however what also makes it not canon despite what the "producers" and company like or think is when it doesn't jive at all with the original content whatsoever and it becomes a disjointed mess between the original and the "continuation". It would be akin to Disney Star Wars introducing a Super Death Star before a New Hope and then trying to claim it was cannon despite all actions in a New Hope illustrate that a device like the Death Star is/was something never before seen by the galaxy. STD nonse of "spore drives" comes before even the Trek Constitution class ship which is akin to that Super Death Star, nevermind the other oddities and cannon breaking crap that they tried to introduce. So much so that they had no choice but to shove this in an alternative "reality" despite all the fanfare when all started that this would be canon and in the same Universe as Kirk, Spock and McCoy when legally and storywise, it never could be.
Cope
Lower Decks isn't canon either. Neither is SNW. There are way too many inconsistencies with the older shows for them to be the same canon.
@@The_Zilli People think just because a studio owns a franchise that is the only requirement for something to belong in the same conceptual universe. In other words, because it is labeled Star Trek, that means it is Star Trek. As you pointed out betraying the principle of non-contradiction is sufficient to remove it from continuity. This is a basic concept in modal logic and related possible world theory. In narratives, the example most referred to is that the "King of France is both bald and has a full set of hair." France does not have a king, but it is logically acceptable as a counterfactual (a possible world), but the law of non-contrition is violated in the second part. it is the same as a married bachelor. For Star Trek, Klingons can't be both inherently covered with hair and free of hair at the same time. The showrunners realized this and then proceeded to try to attempt to repair that but the damage was done and their convoluted answer didn't' work. The thing is, the attitude many have is, "who cares? I'm entertained." In other words, they both want to justify the shows they like as part of Star Trek and at the same time, hand wave away arguments that clearly show that Nu-Trek is incoherent nonsense and has separated itself from actual Star Trek by is consistent violation of the three principles of logic, contradiction, excluded middle. and identity, and by the ridiculous amount of contrivances.
@@Rabbithole8 Long post but I did read it! You're right a lot of people are under the impression that Nu-Trek is just "retconning" the franchise when in reality it always was it's seperate thing because legally, it had to be.
Not many are aware of the business/contract/legalities between CBS, Paramount, Viacom and Star Trek. When they split in 2006, they agreed to make Trek movies visually and tonally different from each other. STD comes out in 2017. Paramount and CBS merge again in 2019 however the rights of Trek are all messed up between ownership between CBS, Paramount and JJ/Kurtzman.
SkyDance bought out CBS/Paramount, they want to streamline the property again and are currently figuring out how to divest itself from Kurtzman/JJ (last I've heard).
So no matter what Lower Decks said or STD fans hope for, it ALWAYS was non-canon.
Always remember before you start a new Star trek franchise always use protection! We got lucky this time.
Ultimately, the only canon that is indisputable is HEAD canon. If any old science fiction show like Sliders, Stargate Universe, or some other show that for some reason never really appealed to you decided to slap the name Star Trek in front of it ("Star Trek: Sliders", for example), we all know damn well that doesn't make it canonically Star Trek in our minds and hearts.
I like how someone once compared Star Trek to a buffet; you're not supposed to like everything in it, you just pick out what you want and enjoy it.
That being said... no, Star Trek: Discovery is NOT Star Trek IMHO. 🖖
If one didn't like a tv show it may have been labled boring in the 80s and 90s but tv shows today are actually toxic. Don't start in on movies!
Star Trek got lost to heavy-handed preaching.
ST was always subtle and thoughtful ("Let That Be Your Last Battlefield").
Now? Yuck. Jumped off the deep end.
to be fair all trek has been proven to be different universes and part of a multiverse now
Star Trek not on TV but behind a streaming pay wall does not count.
Ich finde es in Ordnung das die discovery raus gestrichen haben weil Quanten Realität.
SNW gefällt mir tatsächlich ganz gut bin gespannt ob die da auch irgendwann zum Ende der Serie was machen das die dann vom Look her nach TOS aussehen werden. 🤷🏼♂️
Just so long as they stop trying to ram Michael Burnham down our throats.
It's a godawful show that cost too much and that nobody likes.
If the fans are upset, they can both go cry in a corner.
Thanks for the video… I’ve never watch STD… But I am aware that they went far afield from the other Star Trek tv series…
No star trek Discovery is still part of canon
I haven't seen any of your videos for quite some time. The black hair is a new look
Good. It's abbreviation is STD, which says something. It's not in the prime universe, so I don't have to care.
MERRY CHRISTMAS MechaRandom42. 🎄 Well, I only count the 3 seasons of STAR TREK (TOS) , ST (The Animated Series from the 70s) , the 7 Seasons of NEXT GENERATION , the 6 films of the ORIGINAL series , and the 4 films of NEXT GENERATION. Alright. I count GALAY QUEST (1999) too. Whatever. My girlfriend and I can live on the STAR TREK DVDs we have. 📀
Yeah, everything North of Enterprise was trash so like the sequel trilogy of Star Wars, none of it was canon to me anyway.
Not good enough
No, but it's a damn good place to start.
Hate to tell you this but star trek the next generation, star trek deep space nine, star trek Voyager and star trek Enterprise is really not true canon than as well
A Christmas gift for trekking, yes please.
it will not be missed
I hope they keep it that way...
Lower Decks and Strange New Worlds is great. STD is terrible.
I like anson mount and the snw concept. I can think of Star Trek Gonorrhea as a holodeck program.
🖖🏼🍗🤖👏long overdue 👏☯️🍉🖖🏼
And Academy is a sequel to Discovery still pending
Yeah, it's almost like Discovery is still actually canon or something. That's so weird...
You grew up with Star Trek in the ‘90s? 🤦♂️ I think I’ll go watch TOS classic, Spock’s Brain. It’s infinitely superior to everything that came afterward.
Best Christmas gift
Discovery, Picard, SNW’s, a ARE really good.
The JJ ABRAMS REMAKES are absolutely junk.
Why is discovery good and JJ is bad. That doesn't make any sense at all. They told the viewer right away this was a separate timeline. They were smart. And then you can relax and just enjoy some fun star trek movies without worring about all the details. Why is that bad?
It's about time they deleted this crap
what do you have?
easy.
Trek ran from '66 - '05.
prob solved.
No, it's still canon. And still in the same timeline with everything but the Kelvin movies.
I think new star trek is awesome
I understand it's not canon now, but when was it not canon before? I thought it was always considered canon by Paramount since its release.
They tried really hard to ... "make it so". Non sequitur.
It's always been canon and has not now nor will it ever actually be decanoized despite what Lady McHairdye and Pick Me Boobs desperately wants to believe because a clickbait rag lied to her. Normal people understand this.
Fan fiction by non-fans.
An accurate description of this entire video.
Wokeness taught me that we all have to make our own individual canon. Or else someone else will always be telling you what to think. Mine is the original series and the original series films Wrath of Khan, Search for Spock, and The Voyage Home. TNG and the TNG film First Contact. And DS9 and Voyager. To me they embody the true spirit of Star Trek. Everything else that calls itself "Star Trek" either is a poor imitation or a cheap mockery.
In fact, there are some that wouldn't consider TWOK "real" Star Trek because of the revenge plot, etc. In fact, I know someone who considers real Star Trek to be TOS, TMP, and the first 2 seasons of TNG... his view is that anything made after Gene was out of the picture isn't real Star Trek as Gene envisioned it.
Star Trek has always been woke, just doesn't seem that that way in retrospect.
@@ChaswellQuint No it hasn't.
What is your definition of woke? Most people who complain about their media being "woke". Say that because there are people of color in it, women in leading role, LGBTQ people, or show talks about social issues. Which is what Star Trek has alway been about.
@@darthdarkrage You know that's not true.
I think people are upset on both sides for no reason. Alternate reality stuff in Star Trek IS canon just in their own alternate reality. So these events occurred, just not in the main Prime Star Trek timeline. All the mirror universe stuff is canon just not in OUR Prime universe. So the people who hate discovery can be happy its not set in prime universe and people who liked it can still like it and it actually happened in THAT timeline which CAN later be explored so why is everyone mad, its fine.
Why couldn't the Klingons shown in Discovery simply be another race on the Klingon home world? Earth had Neanderthal and Homo Sapiens living side by side. Both were human. Andoria had the Andorians and the Aenar. Couldn't the same have happened on Qo'noS? That's been my head canon for the variations of the same species we've seen in Star Trek. Tellarites anyone? How many different looks have they had?
Also, Lower Decks just showed a Klingon with the Discovery look, but Klingons may have that look in multiple dimensions. Lower Decks just showed the different possibilities, it did not remove Discovery from Canon.
Isn't this great? Thanks Paramount for coming to your senses. It's truly a Christmas miracle! 😍
We've been saying it since the beginning: the Prime timeline is a different timeline! Now it's officially confirmed!!
Captain, I appear to be detecting dangerous levels of Cope in this video.
Everything is blowing up around them because the money ran out.
The fiends that be tried to pass of their garbage trek creation as canon(complementary to the original/TNG) from the get go. Only later when they realized the fandom isn’t quite buying it they decided to say it’s an alternate reality. Like somehow if it’s an alternate reality it automatically becomes more palatable. In no way is the new stuff compatible with the original/TNG. Trek Ended with Star Trek Nemesis(unfortunately). Star Trek Continues is the last of decent trek.
Meeeh..it was only canon to the JJ Trek universe so nothing lost.
Thank God that garbage was decanonised....
[In a Very Ron Howard Voice] It was, in fact, not decanonized.
there are 3 continuities now: prime timeline (tos - picard), kelvin timeline (jj movies) and now the woke timeline (discovery, strange new worlds, lower decks, section 31)
People who use “Woke” to describe Star Trek are the kind of people that complains to a hooker as to why they HAVE to pay for sex
As far as I am concerned there hasn't been any real Star Trek since the final episode of season 4 of Enterprise. TATV was a horrible episode but season 4 of Enterprise was one of the best seasons of Star Trek ever written, it respected what came before it and still had the spirit of Star Trek in it.
Lower Decks can't be cannon if SNW is also not cannon. Source: the crossover episode
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Thank God it isn't cannon, I really don't believe in retcon you can't just dismiss the og writers work for this .
Oh no poor klutsmoms legacy what will he be able to scare kids with now ps merry ones Mech
Yes, Merry Christmas.
Picard season 3 was barely tolerable. Only the member berries made it watchable.
Season 2 of Star Trek Discovery is the best season of any season in all of Star Treks history
Who says the time of miracles at Christmas is over?
They should just say the 2 different Kilngons are just cousins not genetic. Tampering and leave it Doesnt this mean. Strange New World isnt either. And Picard dominoes fall
@@lisamomon6793 the last season of Picard was good. I wish they kept the Spanish guy though. He needed his own show
SNW is not cannon but the versions we see in SNW does look different than the Disco versions- uniforms, sets, ship. So it may be a different universe or timeline again.
Or there's this thing called the linear progression of time in relation to television production, so ships, sets, costumes and props are going to look different over time by default. Wrath of Khan looks and feels nothing like any given episode of TOS, are the movies in an alternate timeline too? Does any of Star Trek actually take place in the same universe? I bet not under your logic(?).
@@leosklein7118 Okay so when they do a time travel scene should they just make it look like its not from the past? That doesn't make any sense. The framing matters. I get what what you are saying and I think that SNW tries to strke a balance on the retro aesthetic . In the TOS movies there was normally an in-universe reason for the bridge to look a little different, or it was in a tolerance that we are willing to suspend disbelief for. These kinds of things matter when you have fans who are invested in the show, the story and the characters.
I find Lower Decks entertaining, but it's too much of a clown show for me to consider cannon. It's very silly, is borderline racist and definitely misandrist at times, bit is entertaining.
Hope they finally fix Star Trek !!!! 😊❤
Please erase lower decks and Strange New Woke I mean worlds! Also they are not cannon as far as im concerned and never will be!
Disco is dead
Man trump getting elected is fixing everything lol
Agree, STD, SNW Lower Decks are all trash and not even close to canon.