Burnham was a completely unlikable, unsympathetic character, who took stubbornness to a stupid level. And, many of the situations she found herself in were completely unbelievable, which is a feat when we're suspending disbelief in the first place!
@@mrpopsful Seinfeld was a satire. STD might be considered a failed satire of what a Star Trek series is - written by self-obsessed teenage fanfic writers
@@brachiator1 and that's why it got canceled, people didn't watch it past the first season. Time for a rewatch, trust me you won't regret it. Season 3 and 4 are some of the best seasons of Star Trek.
@@yupsure I didn't find this cast engaging. And the depiction of the early years of the Federation was plodding and missed some obvious creative opportunities. I've seen a few of the later episodes. None of them worked for me.
This video is an eloquent and accurate critique of Star Trek Discovery. New Trek is anti-Trek. Its mockery of Old Trek's heroes (and the values they represent) consigns New Trek to the dumpster where anti-social rubbish is discarded. New Trek is failing in viewership and merchandising. A mutinous and mass-murdering main character was always a bad idea, but to make that character idiotic and obnoxiously self-serving is just ridiculous. The rest of New Trek is a mishmash of phony virtue signalling, fake ideals, and inappropriate attacks on the past.
You can add the pretty average/bad/boring stories to it that rely on borrowing from previous episodes or other IPs and franchises. For example; I like Alien but Alien has been done before on Star Trek and I don't think the Alien plot needs to be recycled every few years. There must be some way to do a space monster story in a new and interesting way without relying on the tropes from the Alien movie.
@@TheDutchGhost Agreed. As evidence of its complete lack of creativity, New Trek has taken sixty-five (65) characters from Old Trek and given them significant parts: in some cases, leading roles. (I have a list.) In most cases, New Trek has re-written the Old Trek characters in demeaning ways.
Discovery confuses soap opera writing, melodramatic plot twists and character assignation (Spock) with drama and good sci-fi. It starts out with Burnham on a normal Star Trek mission, then goes to Sarek telling her she has to shoot first (just like you expect a Vulcan to do?), then you have mutiny, then Lorca, then ridiculous Game of Thrones Klingons and Mirror Universe nonsense. The drama is all in the stupid plot twists. All because a normal Star Trek fan would not expect it. It got so bad that you didn't know if Burnham's mother or Burnham was in the Red Angel suit and no one cares. By the way, a daughter only gets 50% of her DNA from her mother, so you would think the Doc would notice.
This is an excellent point - drama vs melodrama. Crew members died in real Trek and professional crews mourned them whilst continuing to function because they understood the risks and requirements of their jobs. Crew members die in Discovery and everyone spends the rest of the episode in tears.
@@threetythreepercent Consider another example. There was an episode where Saru, Burnham and Tyler beam down to a planet in one of the few actual 'Star Trek' episodes. Burnham suddenly falls in love with Tyler. Saru loses his 'fear' - and what does he do? He commits mutiny of course. Because we need our fear. It is ridiculous nonsense. And it's one of the better Discovery episodes.
Dear Mr UK Danger Man, it‘s CAPTAIN Michael Burnham. Her importance must not be understated as she‘s probably going to travel back in time to sacrifice herself to ignite the spark to start the Big Bang (again). She‘s soooooo brillant.
looking forward to the next videos. My personal problems with the show are mostly (not a complete list by any means: -Generally bad writing, plot happens, lack of beliable cause and effect. I can understand the roughness of the first to seasons (all first 2 seasons of Star Trek were rough. In this case, Bryan Fuller was fired before the pilot was finished, Berg and Harberts (which were not good) were fired about in Season 2 Episode 6). Most seasons have a beginning and an end (obviously), but those hacks have no clue who to get from start to finish -Generally bad budget planning. millions are wasted on some stupid scenes and then the next 3 Episodes can almost only be bottleshows on the standing sets. Shows like the Expanse (when it still had Syfy Channel Budget) made so much more of so much less money. Seasons were planned out then then 5-8 big sets were built and then used for the season. -Pacing is also a big problem for a lot of new Trek. Episodes 1/2 are mostly new and refreshing, then it drags on and on with filler content and stupid fetch quests until the hole season is wrapped up in the most stupid way possible in the last 10 Minutes. -Hommages, or stealing of plot elements. Especially in Season 3 i found elements of BSG (Timelapse in the beginning with the man on the Starfleet Station), the mistical sounds which made no sense (it was a childrens song from the stupid kid who killed billions), last Episodes were Die Hard but stupid and someone thought the needed the city chase scene from Star Wars Episode 2 inside the discovery, and so on and so on.
While watching the very first episode of STD, I turned it off with disgust. I thought the script sounded like very bad fan fiction and that noone would ever talk like the characters did. Not in real life, no matter what century they lived in. I never watched another episode but you feel free to carry on as I love your reviews,
We got really good actors. We got a huge budget, because man was it pretty to look at! And then .. subpar writing and even worse direction and show running.. "You need to cry more. You need to feel it. Really let it out!" Like.. what the hell? And as you also already said: I don't care about any of the other side characters. Tilly could have been so much fun. That woman that was half robot who suddenly had a life for one episode, only to die. When Saru was SO OBVIOUSLY NOT going to die.. That one was the worst to sit through. Like I literally felt a weird pressure in my brain.
Ive always been able to look past bad episodes and even bad seasons of star trek until discovery. I cant understand why they chose to include a long winded monologue in almost every episode, not build any characters up besides Michael, and every season is based around 1 universe destroying threat.
I believe “Discovery Sucks “ is a little harsh. Force me to rank, and it’s going to be below all of the shows that came before it, but above Picard. i’ve enjoyed a lot of characters -Stamets, Reno and Saru mostly. but the writers are stuck with this mystery box, ‘what is the Red Angel/Burn/mda’ or whatever BS that the showrunners have structured the seasons around to keep you coming back (subscribed). there are interesting concepts in every season, but the season’s big baddie and Burnham distract from them. I would characterize Discovery as a ok show that didn’t live up to its potential, not one that ‘sucks’. I’ve never seen The Expanse, but besides that i’d say that Discovery is better than’The Ark’ , ‘Another Life’ and a bunch of other mediocre shows streaming channels have tried to peddle.
here's another view of it: most of the Captains/main characters of Trek that are beloved are INSPIRING bc of their actions/beliefs/leadership/growth - they were shaped to be inspiring - but the showrunners of Discovery WANT Burnham to be inspiring, rather than shaping a character that actually IS inspiring. That's the magic of Kirk, Picard, Sisko, Spock, Archer, T'Pol, and even (yuck) Janeway and the others. Their actions/beliefs/leadership/growth make us inspired. While with Burnham, the writers want her to be inspiring bc they say so. She's not inspiring. Nor are any of the characters in Discovery. They want us to love them & be inspired by them, but most of them are pretty miserable examples of inspiration.
I've said for years that there weren't any other "characters". They were cardboard cutouts, and were positioned so Mikey Spock can come along and fix whatever problem there was.
I've loved Star Trek for more than half my life. I know almost all the shows have a rocky first season so I watched Discovery S1 ready to forgive it for not being the greatest. It was so bad I quit watching the show after season 1. After SNW S2 was out I decided to give that a chance, and although it does have some bad episodes (the musical episode, ugh), that show is OK. I actually know the names of the characters and I really like Anson Mount as Pike and Rebecca Romijn as Una. Still don't like what they're doing with Spock, but overall I'm willing to give S3 a chance. So I decided to continue with STD seasons 2-4 and oh boy. You are so right about not knowing any of the character's names. Aside from Burnham and maybe Saru everyone else is given nothing to do, unless it's Stammets or Tilly (the only other characters whose names I remember) talking techno babble at each other. The storylines are bad and it almost always ends with Burnham being right and saving the day with no room for anyone else to do anything. I will say Season 3 was by far the best season. Burnham's almost completely gone in episode S3E2 and that's the only time the Discovery crew gets full focus and multiple people get the spotlight. It's like, if they would just beam Burnham into the sun, the show might actually have a chance. The only episode of Discovery I actually enjoyed with the 2 part mirror universe episode where we get to see Mirror Burnham. It is the only time her overacting is 100% appropriate for the tone and I had a blast laughing at all her facial expressions and emo mannerisms. My hope is that they make a new show run by actual Trek fans and they just retcon Discovery. Bring back the Temporal Cold War, say that timeline was wiped out and replace with the TOS timeline. Done and done.
I tried watching this show but never got past the first Season. I gave it another shot time and time again, checking it out several times in S2 and S3 but I never got far. Bottom line is, there was very little I liked, almost nothing which made me *want* to stick around: The Unlikeable Characters and how so much focused around Burnham (who was always right, everyone adored, was always at the center of every plot, and always on top of every situation), the Humor which either consisted of sarcastic quips or was of the "Lol, I'm so random"-nature), the hyperactive pace, the obnoxious cinematography (the camera seemingly mounted on a bubble-head-doll most of the time), the insistent music, the constant "End of the Universe"-Plots (and the hairbrained Storylines, like the real reason for the "Burn", for example), the Production Design which had little to do with Trek, the visual inconsistencies not only with TOS (which I could even understand) but also the rest of Trek (Klingons!), the swearing and brutality, the dark and sometimes even dystopian/dark future feel, the lack of inspiration (or Trek-feel in general), the impenetrable Technobabble which would make everyone on _Voyager_ blush, the therapy session-like talking about how everyone feels about themselves and everyone else (and the Crying, dear god, the Crying), the simple fact that I didn't feel *welcome*, that (unlike with the other Series) I didn't even want to imagine myself being there... I could go on. In short, every time I tried watching it, a combination of several of the aforementioned elements assaulted my senses and made me cringe so hard that I eventually stopped and did something else. And, eventually, I lost interest in even keeping up with News or what the new Season was about. I figured I had better things to do than trying to give a Series that clearly wasn't made for me yet another chance. So I dropped it entirely and moved on. This was the first time in literal years I even *wrote* about it.
I've been debating for years whether or not to watch Discovery despite negative or, at best, mixed reviews from long-time Trek fans. Considering that people keep making reviews like this one, and the fact I gave up on ST Picard after 3 episodes, maybe I should just stop thinking about watching these newer Trek shows altogether, lol. TV can be such a pain to watch these days...
Spot on analysis, mate. The single-character focus could have worked if this character learned anything other than that she was the solution to every problem in the universe, past and present. BTW, this new review format is great and i look forward to seeing more.
yeah I dont need a series telling me how bad STD is but with that said, I still will watch this over the actual show itself. Im glad STD and Nu Trek make it very easy to create a divide and go "these aren't canon" which they aren't, as this all an alternate universe thanks to legal issues behind the scenes. Star Wars fans thought they have it bad, they should be looking at Trekkers and remember that we've been dealing with the bastardization of our franchise for far longer than they have.
Although I do watch a few Star Trek-focused channels and review channels, as far as I know this is the first time I've seen yours. Very honest and Direct. There were some great concepts behind it like the 'Vulcan Hello' and mirror Lorca, but the execution was abysmal and so full of ideology. There is a difference between characters being flawed and interesting and being self-obsessed dysfunctional wrecks. Anything Disney-related or any of the New Trek I avoid, I spend more time watching people dismantle the shows and movies rather than watching them myself. It seems to be a more efficient use of my time. I actually like Lower Decks, it's silly, but then again it is a cartoon. It far more faithful to Trek that this.
Star Trek has worked best when it puts Story and Character development first. You can put in all the "message" you want if it's well written and compelling, they lack the basic coherent storytelling ability to achieve that basic task. To paraphrase a certain green Jedi master "That is why they fail"
I'm afraid I have to agree with ALL of your points. I actually liked the concept of focussing on the first officer for once, even though the Trek captains are loved and revered - and rightly so - even with their flaws, you KNOW why they are the captain. Even when Sisko was the commander, he was a brilliant character. SMG may be a good actress, but Burham was poorly realised and horribly executed. There's an episode where (I think it is Tilly) has a sit down with a bunch of characters and addressed them as 'Hey Guys'. Starfleet is a military organisation. I know it is fiction, but even so, that doesn't explain the horrific writing, wooden characters, lack of direction with the story...and worst of all, I don't think we cared about these characters. I blubbed my eyes out when Next Gen ended, same with DS9, and I was floored by Voyager's ending too. Enterprise is 'okay' but not on the level of the previous four series. I wnated Discovery to succeed, but when even Michelle Yeoh and Jason Isaacs can't save it, you know it is a show that is DOA, and that is a shame. I personally don't view it as canon.
Actually, I loved Fringe. Alex Kurtzman is listed as one of the creators. That confused me tremendously, because Fringe was good, and Star Trek Diversity is such a woke train-wreck ! What happened ???
@@iamtheicemanFringe was great at the start but I thought the ending was messy after the "other side" arc was wrapped up. Maybe I'd feel different if I rewatched it.
@@claytonrumley I am rewatching the whole series now, and am about to start the final season. It has been a while since I saw it, but I seem to recall it was not as good as the preceding seasons. I miss those characters.
@iamtheiceman I haven't actually seen Fringe, to be honest. Though it's been recommended to me several times. Perhaps I was being unfair when I said "everything" when I was really talking about ST, The Mummy remake, Amazing Spiderman 2, Clarice etc
No, having hollow "flaws" with no real meaning is a hallmark of a mary sue, it's not new or groundbreaking, it's the laziest response a bad writer can give to their character being criticized for being flawless, simply by adding some purely superficial flaws.
I only ever watched the first 4 episodes of that Frankenstinian humonculus abomination of a show and never looked back. It destroyed my soul to hear other trekkies speak of it like it was high art, when most of them kept calling the mushroom guy the 'engineer' when the show had neither an engineer or an engine room for that matter. Hatred of this disgrace led me to your channel, Doomcock and Nerdrotic, but of late you are only constant left bashing STD. The other channels seem to have forgotten all about Kurtzman's wrecking of a once stellar franchise. Keep up the good work.
Agreed. On the reddit forums, I'm so sick of people who get all angry and defensive about the new shows. It's like they're too afraid to speak up because people are gullible and desperate to fit in, and they know the hive mind zombie sheep, will all attack anyone for criticizing the new garbage, and think because it's an "official" show that it's Canon. They sell out to new trek because they're such cowards and fear being called "toxic" by random strangers. What kind of a man or woman is so pathetic as to cower in fear and shill for a show they deep down hate, just because they are desperate to fit in with the status quo and crowd. They say star trek is "changing". Uhm no. We know EXACTLY how starfleet crew and humanity in general behaved both in the 23rd and 24th centuries. The new shows are set only a few years prior or 2 decades after. It's safe to say that starfleet should be the same. We even know how starfleet is in the 29th century, captain Braxton, as well as the 31st, Daniels from enterprise, they are all starfleet. What we see in the new FILTH AND GARBAGE is NOT star trek. It's more like star wars, or pew pew trek. It's not even trek at all, trek implies adventure, whether external or internal. New "trek" has none of that. The m0ronjc psycho characters all behave like the human apes of today. It's despicable. They ruined trek in 2009 and are continuing to ruin it. Even worse, Romulus is still destroyed?? Fk off. People who are on record saying they don't like star trek, or say that it's impossible to know the full lore of star trek and follow canon, and are total brainless low iq R3TARDED failures, should not be shown any respect nor should they be given any authority to add or remove or change the Canon lore. I wish we would find Alex Klutzman and torture him for years, force him to make an apology video admitting he's a looser nobody talentless hack who's jealous of gene rodenberry and star trek and hates star trek and thr fans, and then we would execute him by throwing him in a pit of lions while recording it live on RUclips. The fools at reddit think new "trek" is trek just because it's official. They assume new trek is helmed by people who respect star trek, and it's creator, and it's lore, and it's fans, but they're wrong.
I think the thing that grated me most of all about STD was the fact that the characters looked and sounded as though they were from modern day California. That, along with all the retcons, swearing, crying and disregard for authority.
*Oh what might have been* (as Alex Kurtzman wanted to do a Section 31 show anyway), Burnham *should* have been given the option of early release, by serving aboard a Black-ops Section 31 ship using classified technology (Spore drive) which would do rapid in & out missions and strikes against the Klingons. We could then find out that Lorca is unscrupulous because he's from the Mirror Universe, but also that the Klingons causing the new conflict were Mirror universe as well and wanted to crush the terran empire in our universe, build up a klingon army and return to their universe to strike at the Terran Empire. This would have a moral dilemma - does S31 do whatever it takes to win the war, would Lorca object to helping the klingons from his mirrorverse return with the spore drive to fight the terran empire that he was once part of. 😇
space jesus plank of wood;"were starfleet, we dont leave anyone behind!" me; "oh rlly? lets go ask the prison shuttle pilot who fell off during warp that no one ever mentioned again..........OH WAIT! AWKWARD!!!"
YES! YES! Thank you. Finally, someone put into words the reason for my nerd rage. Dear STD writers, how was this character a reflection of anyone we've seen raised on Vulcan. How dear she hold the mantel of captain with all her transcreation and inability to stay on the (BEEP) ship. Why is it when there's a really important mission, she will only work with her pirate ex-boyfriend. And how dare she smugly lecture others when she is a dumpster fire of inconsistencies.
They must insert Mary Sue into material where she does not belong. For she can not exist (monetarily viable) as an original creation, given that creativity is disallowed in the contemporary climate. This "archetype" is the most visible artifact of an age without true artistic freedom. Any free initiative, or previously working formula, is replaced by aggressive feminism and active attempts at social engineering, treating the audience as mindless test subjects, ready to accept the removal of classic entertainment, in exchange for the latest in agenda driven hand-holding. (A rather long-winded way of saying that I'll pass on this "Star Trek in name only".)
I just forced myself to finish watching Season 4 after pushing it off for many months. I purchased the first two seasons on blu-ray(I know, old school). Streamed season 3 and 4 and probably will not continue the series anymore. I liked the epic storylines, the surprises, new science and aliens, time travel, alternate universes, special effects, CGI, etc., but the scripts incessant emphasis on emotions and sharing one's feelings is ridiculous. We don't need a therapy session every 5 minutes when the captain talks to someone. Or the bedroom drama between the chief engineer and the doctor or listen to the personality disorders of the ship's computer. Just fly the damn ship, shoot some torpedo's, and save the Galaxy. If I wanted to watch a soap opera I'd chosen "Days of Our Fucking Lives." Leave our Sci-fi series alone!
I speak for all trekkies when i say, I tried but could not like this. It's feels like the opposite of real trek. I assumed it was cancelled after season 2. Either way, it's not canon.
The key element of a Mary Sue is being an author self insert, generally in an existing franchise but the definition extends to clear self inserts in an original setting. Burnham is just poorly written and poorly conceived, but NOT a Mary Sue. Beside that, the analisys of Discover's problems is solid.
I desperately tried to like Discovery, but after two seasons of watching through my fingers I couldn't do it to myself any more. It never gave me any reasons to care about the characters. Bad writing killed it. I don't have a problem with the cast at all. An example of the complete opposite side of the coin is Ted Lasso - I hate football, but that is a show which has interesting and loveable characters with stories and arcs you can get involved with. Even to the point of caring about the games they play. I never thought I'd be interested in anything football-related, but the show is written well enough that I did. I love sci-fi, but I won't gobble up any old rubbish just because they've slapped on a Star Trek label. Good writing and characters you care about are key.
agreed. ive watched every episode and i dont know 75% of their names. it also fails miserably at turning the ship itself into a character. in the other series you cared about the ship and what happened to them and so did the characters. Discovery is basically a tricorder as far as anyone cares. mostly because of the ridiculous spor drive.
Never allow this show's trashy storylines to make you forget Anas Abdin, and what these people put his family through. (At least Babylon 5 had the legal backing of an actual network, so they were able to force CBS/Paramount to settle before the public had a real chance to comprehend how slimy the people making "modern" Trek really are)
Michael Burham was depicted in season one as a rebel, a mutineer no less! Then she is restored and made Number 1. but she continues to question the captain. Michael always knows best. Then she is made captain and I thought, well what now? Of course she rebells against the Admirals. Then in the future it's the admirals and the leader of star fleet that she knows better than. Finally she solves the ultimate puzzle and finds the Progenitors holographic representative. Here it is! She is going to find out the meaning of Life, the Universe and Everything! and what does she do? Michael disagrees with the Progenitor and Michael wins. She is always right! I give up.
My issue with modern Trek is the aesthetics. The whole neon vibe is basically 80s blade runner with better graphics. It's dystopian and horrible. Why does TNG feel good? Because it's designed like a cruise liner, with natural hues and soft edges. You might think this doesn't matter, but it's all subconscious and absolutely does. Humans are at their most comfortable around nature, and architects design living spaces to emulate and offer that comfort. It's unrealistic to assume star ships are going to be these sterile environments depicted in new Trek. It's more likely they would be far more natural, with living walls and plant life integrated with technology, because that's what people would want. I know I'm going off on a tangent, but this really is my issue here. Modern design sucks because we are basically using 80s neon. Todays sci fi is going to look incredibly dated in 20 years time, whereas 90s Trek will continue to be timeless, because they got the design right.
I'd say all of Star Trek since 2009 to now has been awful. I know some people might say that Picard Season 3 is great but it had elements of NuTrek through it with the bad lighting for example. I will wait until Paramount has full control again of Star Trek can can bring it back to the likes of Star Trek from 1966 to 2005 again.
here we are, they've released season 5 and I don't care enough to even watch it. I could tell you maybe 2 characters names. We were just never given any reason to care about them.
This godawful depressing show did indeed end up giving me an STD. I gave up after 2 seasons. Only Pike's Enterprise made me watch Season 2 and the last I saw, part way through Season 3, is that Michelle Yeoh went quantum..
I watched all 5 seasons, even through the insufferable wokeness, only because I have been a Star Trek fan for almost 60 years - but as I sit here, I can't remember any characters' names except Michael Burnham and Stamets.
It's a soap opera. How many times did they have only a couple minutes and they spend them up telling each other about their feelings? It's annoying as hell!
I only got through 4 episodes of Star Trek Dysentery. My God what a train wreck. I mean Star Trek Strange New Worlds isn't great, but it's watchable. Burnham should be rotting in prison forever after her mutiny. My condolences that the maker of this has sacrificed himself and watched all the seasons/episodes. Rotten Tomatoes rating 34%. That's almost as bad as Doctor Who 2023 which was 29%.
the mary sue is star trek with lt.mary sue who as better captian then kirk, better in science then spock, better doctor then mccory, better engeneer then scotty, better at securty&tactical then checv, better pilot then sulu, better communications then uhura and just what happen to lt.mary sue she got kick off the ship. and now there everywhere in every genera of tv and movies.
i gave up after the 2nd season i didnt like that they to rewrite the whole star trek verse in a bad new image personally i think strange new worlds and Lower deck are far superior than Discoverys shitty attempt
Not sure why this has come up again, but i have given it more thought, and i think Green is a terrible actor. She whispers, which is really annoying. But also cries or looks lke she is crying - at any sign of conflict. Every time an actor cries it means that the audience now should be brought to tears. But the writing on a typical TV show could not possibly be that good every 10 or 20 minutes. But worse is her almost childish accent in the pronunciation of her words. We know how old she is but why does she talk like that?
I didn't watch your video. It sucks because rick Berman had nothing to do with it. Picard sucks because they gave Stewart creative control over it. He's no good.
Sonequa Martin-Green is a mediocre actress, woefully ill-equipped to sustain a major tv show. In addition to her character being intensely unlikable, her acting is cringe-inducing. I put up with all the PC bullshit because I do love Trek so much, but during the third season I just gave up. I couldn’t take any more of the Mary Sue storylines, the whispering, the crying, the pronoun bullshit and the gayness of it all.
Why do you make videos about a show you so obviously hate? As my dear old mum would say to me- If You have nothing nice to say, better if you say nothing!
Then why did you watch the video and comment on it? Just to feign some false sense of moral authority? You can just as easily go away and let the adults talk about what they want to talk about.
@@JadeRabbit-je4gd Why did you answer a comment that was obviously not addressed to you? Well, let's be honest. You didn't answer it did you. You felt offended that someone had the gall to post a negative comment and your reaction was to post some juvenile insults. Well done.
I'll have to remember your dear old mum's word when I see a suspicious person leave a large bag on a bus. "See something, say something." but don't! You may offend someone! LOL!
But at least negative reviews are more than likely thoughtful. Positive channels just talk about Easter eggs, and how they 'love' a character. Can you articulate why you like this show without saying something is just 'good' or that 'you love' x? If you can, you would be exceptional.
I made it to the second season finale.. but the seizure inducing space battles and everyone and their brother knowing about the super secret section 31 was just to much for me to swallow, and it was just the last straw after the whole "spore drive" bs from the first season. And yes, bernard was irritating and i wish she had died in the first episode.
Burnham was a completely unlikable, unsympathetic character, who took stubbornness to a stupid level. And, many of the situations she found herself in were completely unbelievable, which is a feat when we're suspending disbelief in the first place!
Totally agree.
And yet, somehow .. it worked on Seinfeld. Every character in the cast was completely unlikable
@@mrpopsful Seinfeld was a satire. STD might be considered a failed satire of what a Star Trek series is - written by self-obsessed teenage fanfic writers
Still can't believe this show is still a thing. Hard to believe this show is getting a fifth season, while Star Trek Enterprise barely got a fourth.
And the worst part was when the entire Enterprise series was some bullshit holodeck show run by Riker? What was up with _that?_
Star Trek Enterprise was boring. I bailed on it after the first season.
@@brachiator1 and that's why it got canceled, people didn't watch it past the first season. Time for a rewatch, trust me you won't regret it. Season 3 and 4 are some of the best seasons of Star Trek.
@@lindax911 just the last episode was a holodeck.
@@yupsure I didn't find this cast engaging. And the depiction of the early years of the Federation was plodding and missed some obvious creative opportunities. I've seen a few of the later episodes. None of them worked for me.
This video is an eloquent and accurate critique of Star Trek Discovery.
New Trek is anti-Trek. Its mockery of Old Trek's heroes (and the values they represent) consigns New Trek to the dumpster where anti-social rubbish is discarded. New Trek is failing in viewership and merchandising. A mutinous and mass-murdering main character was always a bad idea, but to make that character idiotic and obnoxiously self-serving is just ridiculous. The rest of New Trek is a mishmash of phony virtue signalling, fake ideals, and inappropriate attacks on the past.
Definitely agree .
You can add the pretty average/bad/boring stories to it that rely on borrowing from previous episodes or other IPs and franchises.
For example; I like Alien but Alien has been done before on Star Trek and I don't think the Alien plot needs to be recycled every few years. There must be some way to do a space monster story in a new and interesting way without relying on the tropes from the Alien movie.
@@TheDutchGhost Agreed. As evidence of its complete lack of creativity, New Trek has taken sixty-five (65) characters from Old Trek and given them significant parts: in some cases, leading roles. (I have a list.) In most cases, New Trek has re-written the Old Trek characters in demeaning ways.
Discovery confuses soap opera writing, melodramatic plot twists and character assignation (Spock) with drama and good sci-fi.
It starts out with Burnham on a normal Star Trek mission, then goes to Sarek telling her she has to shoot first (just like you expect a Vulcan to do?), then you have mutiny, then Lorca, then ridiculous Game of Thrones Klingons and Mirror Universe nonsense. The drama is all in the stupid plot twists. All because a normal Star Trek fan would not expect it.
It got so bad that you didn't know if Burnham's mother or Burnham was in the Red Angel suit and no one cares. By the way, a daughter only gets 50% of her DNA from her mother, so you would think the Doc would notice.
This is an excellent point - drama vs melodrama. Crew members died in real Trek and professional crews mourned them whilst continuing to function because they understood the risks and requirements of their jobs. Crew members die in Discovery and everyone spends the rest of the episode in tears.
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Consider another example. There was an episode where Saru, Burnham and Tyler beam down to a planet in one of the few actual 'Star Trek' episodes. Burnham suddenly falls in love with Tyler. Saru loses his 'fear' - and what does he do? He commits mutiny of course. Because we need our fear.
It is ridiculous nonsense. And it's one of the better Discovery episodes.
Dear Mr UK Danger Man, it‘s CAPTAIN Michael Burnham. Her importance must not be understated as she‘s probably going to travel back in time to sacrifice herself to ignite the spark to start the Big Bang (again). She‘s soooooo brillant.
Always game for a video dumping on STD😂
looking forward to the next videos. My personal problems with the show are mostly (not a complete list by any means:
-Generally bad writing, plot happens, lack of beliable cause and effect. I can understand the roughness of the first to seasons (all first 2 seasons of Star Trek were rough. In this case, Bryan Fuller was fired before the pilot was finished, Berg and Harberts (which were not good) were fired about in Season 2 Episode 6). Most seasons have a beginning and an end (obviously), but those hacks have no clue who to get from start to finish
-Generally bad budget planning. millions are wasted on some stupid scenes and then the next 3 Episodes can almost only be bottleshows on the standing sets. Shows like the Expanse (when it still had Syfy Channel Budget) made so much more of so much less money. Seasons were planned out then then 5-8 big sets were built and then used for the season.
-Pacing is also a big problem for a lot of new Trek. Episodes 1/2 are mostly new and refreshing, then it drags on and on with filler content and stupid fetch quests until the hole season is wrapped up in the most stupid way possible in the last 10 Minutes.
-Hommages, or stealing of plot elements. Especially in Season 3 i found elements of BSG (Timelapse in the beginning with the man on the Starfleet Station), the mistical sounds which made no sense (it was a childrens song from the stupid kid who killed billions), last Episodes were Die Hard but stupid and someone thought the needed the city chase scene from Star Wars Episode 2 inside the discovery, and so on and so on.
Other than the Doc's snappy white tunic I can't think of a single redeeming feature of STD.
Lol ‘STD’ I can’t believe I never put that acronym together! How fitting too 😂
I like Saru, he's the best character that came out from STD and the only one who can stand aside the classic characters.
Well said Dangerman!
Five seasons, and yet it still hasn't run to as many episodes as the original series in the 60s. Perhaps we should be grateful for small mercies!😁
While watching the very first episode of STD, I turned it off with disgust. I thought the script sounded like very bad fan fiction and that noone would ever talk like the characters did. Not in real life, no matter what century they lived in. I never watched another episode but you feel free to carry on as I love your reviews,
We got really good actors. We got a huge budget, because man was it pretty to look at! And then .. subpar writing and even worse direction and show running.. "You need to cry more. You need to feel it. Really let it out!"
Like.. what the hell? And as you also already said: I don't care about any of the other side characters. Tilly could have been so much fun. That woman that was half robot who suddenly had a life for one episode, only to die. When Saru was SO OBVIOUSLY NOT going to die.. That one was the worst to sit through. Like I literally felt a weird pressure in my brain.
Looking forward to the next installment.
Ive always been able to look past bad episodes and even bad seasons of star trek until discovery. I cant understand why they chose to include a long winded monologue in almost every episode, not build any characters up besides Michael, and every season is based around 1 universe destroying threat.
It sucks because it ignores men, and the vast roles we play to make it interesting. Not to mention it's not Star Trek!
Sonequa Martin-Green was the main reason for me. I can't stand her. I stopped watching them after episode 1 season 3. My patience ended there.
I believe “Discovery Sucks “ is a little harsh. Force me to rank, and it’s going to be below all of the shows that came before it, but above Picard. i’ve enjoyed a lot of characters -Stamets, Reno and Saru mostly. but the writers are stuck with this mystery box, ‘what is the Red Angel/Burn/mda’ or whatever BS that the showrunners have structured the seasons around to keep you coming back (subscribed). there are interesting concepts in every season, but the season’s big baddie and Burnham distract from them. I would characterize Discovery as a ok show that didn’t live up to its potential, not one that ‘sucks’. I’ve never seen The Expanse, but besides that i’d say that Discovery is better than’The Ark’ , ‘Another Life’ and a bunch of other mediocre shows streaming channels have tried to peddle.
There is another season? I had completely forgotten. Ah well, I'm sure I will have forgotten again by the weekend.
here's another view of it: most of the Captains/main characters of Trek that are beloved are INSPIRING bc of their actions/beliefs/leadership/growth - they were shaped to be inspiring - but the showrunners of Discovery WANT Burnham to be inspiring, rather than shaping a character that actually IS inspiring. That's the magic of Kirk, Picard, Sisko, Spock, Archer, T'Pol, and even (yuck) Janeway and the others. Their actions/beliefs/leadership/growth make us inspired. While with Burnham, the writers want her to be inspiring bc they say so. She's not inspiring. Nor are any of the characters in Discovery. They want us to love them & be inspired by them, but most of them are pretty miserable examples of inspiration.
I've said for years that there weren't any other "characters". They were cardboard cutouts, and were positioned so Mikey Spock can come along and fix whatever problem there was.
I've loved Star Trek for more than half my life. I know almost all the shows have a rocky first season so I watched Discovery S1 ready to forgive it for not being the greatest. It was so bad I quit watching the show after season 1.
After SNW S2 was out I decided to give that a chance, and although it does have some bad episodes (the musical episode, ugh), that show is OK. I actually know the names of the characters and I really like Anson Mount as Pike and Rebecca Romijn as Una. Still don't like what they're doing with Spock, but overall I'm willing to give S3 a chance.
So I decided to continue with STD seasons 2-4 and oh boy. You are so right about not knowing any of the character's names. Aside from Burnham and maybe Saru everyone else is given nothing to do, unless it's Stammets or Tilly (the only other characters whose names I remember) talking techno babble at each other. The storylines are bad and it almost always ends with Burnham being right and saving the day with no room for anyone else to do anything.
I will say Season 3 was by far the best season. Burnham's almost completely gone in episode S3E2 and that's the only time the Discovery crew gets full focus and multiple people get the spotlight. It's like, if they would just beam Burnham into the sun, the show might actually have a chance. The only episode of Discovery I actually enjoyed with the 2 part mirror universe episode where we get to see Mirror Burnham. It is the only time her overacting is 100% appropriate for the tone and I had a blast laughing at all her facial expressions and emo mannerisms.
My hope is that they make a new show run by actual Trek fans and they just retcon Discovery. Bring back the Temporal Cold War, say that timeline was wiped out and replace with the TOS timeline. Done and done.
every episode is like a counseling session more about emotions than exploring/adventuring
I tried watching this show but never got past the first Season. I gave it another shot time and time again, checking it out several times in S2 and S3 but I never got far.
Bottom line is, there was very little I liked, almost nothing which made me *want* to stick around: The Unlikeable Characters and how so much focused around Burnham (who was always right, everyone adored, was always at the center of every plot, and always on top of every situation), the Humor which either consisted of sarcastic quips or was of the "Lol, I'm so random"-nature), the hyperactive pace, the obnoxious cinematography (the camera seemingly mounted on a bubble-head-doll most of the time), the insistent music, the constant "End of the Universe"-Plots (and the hairbrained Storylines, like the real reason for the "Burn", for example), the Production Design which had little to do with Trek, the visual inconsistencies not only with TOS (which I could even understand) but also the rest of Trek (Klingons!), the swearing and brutality, the dark and sometimes even dystopian/dark future feel, the lack of inspiration (or Trek-feel in general), the impenetrable Technobabble which would make everyone on _Voyager_ blush, the therapy session-like talking about how everyone feels about themselves and everyone else (and the Crying, dear god, the Crying), the simple fact that I didn't feel *welcome*, that (unlike with the other Series) I didn't even want to imagine myself being there... I could go on.
In short, every time I tried watching it, a combination of several of the aforementioned elements assaulted my senses and made me cringe so hard that I eventually stopped and did something else. And, eventually, I lost interest in even keeping up with News or what the new Season was about. I figured I had better things to do than trying to give a Series that clearly wasn't made for me yet another chance. So I dropped it entirely and moved on. This was the first time in literal years I even *wrote* about it.
Every scene was like a pep talk. The entire show is one big pep talk.
I've been debating for years whether or not to watch Discovery despite negative or, at best, mixed reviews from long-time Trek fans. Considering that people keep making reviews like this one, and the fact I gave up on ST Picard after 3 episodes, maybe I should just stop thinking about watching these newer Trek shows altogether, lol. TV can be such a pain to watch these days...
Nooo not space jesus😂
Spot on analysis, mate. The single-character focus could have worked if this character learned anything other than that she was the solution to every problem in the universe, past and present.
BTW, this new review format is great and i look forward to seeing more.
yeah I dont need a series telling me how bad STD is but with that said, I still will watch this over the actual show itself. Im glad STD and Nu Trek make it very easy to create a divide and go "these aren't canon" which they aren't, as this all an alternate universe thanks to legal issues behind the scenes. Star Wars fans thought they have it bad, they should be looking at Trekkers and remember that we've been dealing with the bastardization of our franchise for far longer than they have.
When you call the "lead" Michael and is a woman, then writing was on the wall. None of STD is cannon.
3:04 "The captain, however, would rarely be the focus of each show." *includes Kirk in picture* 🤔
There can be no tree without the roots! 🙂
Although I do watch a few Star Trek-focused channels and review channels, as far as I know this is the first time I've seen yours. Very honest and Direct. There were some great concepts behind it like the 'Vulcan Hello' and mirror Lorca, but the execution was abysmal and so full of ideology. There is a difference between characters being flawed and interesting and being self-obsessed dysfunctional wrecks. Anything Disney-related or any of the New Trek I avoid, I spend more time watching people dismantle the shows and movies rather than watching them myself. It seems to be a more efficient use of my time. I actually like Lower Decks, it's silly, but then again it is a cartoon. It far more faithful to Trek that this.
Star Trek has worked best when it puts Story and Character development first. You can put in all the "message" you want if it's well written and compelling, they lack the basic coherent storytelling ability to achieve that basic task. To paraphrase a certain green Jedi master "That is why they fail"
I'm afraid I have to agree with ALL of your points. I actually liked the concept of focussing on the first officer for once, even though the Trek captains are loved and revered - and rightly so - even with their flaws, you KNOW why they are the captain. Even when Sisko was the commander, he was a brilliant character. SMG may be a good actress, but Burham was poorly realised and horribly executed. There's an episode where (I think it is Tilly) has a sit down with a bunch of characters and addressed them as 'Hey Guys'. Starfleet is a military organisation. I know it is fiction, but even so, that doesn't explain the horrific writing, wooden characters, lack of direction with the story...and worst of all, I don't think we cared about these characters. I blubbed my eyes out when Next Gen ended, same with DS9, and I was floored by Voyager's ending too. Enterprise is 'okay' but not on the level of the previous four series. I wnated Discovery to succeed, but when even Michelle Yeoh and Jason Isaacs can't save it, you know it is a show that is DOA, and that is a shame. I personally don't view it as canon.
Excellent.
Everything Alex Kurtzman has been involved with has been awful.
Actually, I loved Fringe. Alex Kurtzman is listed as one of the creators. That confused me tremendously, because Fringe was good, and Star Trek Diversity is such a woke train-wreck ! What happened ???
@@iamtheicemanFringe was great at the start but I thought the ending was messy after the "other side" arc was wrapped up. Maybe I'd feel different if I rewatched it.
@@claytonrumley I am rewatching the whole series now, and am about to start the final season. It has been a while since I saw it, but I seem to recall it was not as good as the preceding seasons. I miss those characters.
@iamtheiceman I haven't actually seen Fringe, to be honest. Though it's been recommended to me several times. Perhaps I was being unfair when I said "everything" when I was really talking about ST, The Mummy remake, Amazing Spiderman 2, Clarice etc
Lorca was the only interesting character in Disco 🖖
No, having hollow "flaws" with no real meaning is a hallmark of a mary sue, it's not new or groundbreaking, it's the laziest response a bad writer can give to their character being criticized for being flawless, simply by adding some purely superficial flaws.
The Nu Trek Sucks with The Exception of Startrek Prodigy thats Looks like a lot Classic Trek from The 90s and 2000s...
YT didn't notify me of part 1.
You tube is very hit and miss with notifications 😳
I only ever watched the first 4 episodes of that Frankenstinian humonculus abomination of a show and never looked back. It destroyed my soul to hear other trekkies speak of it like it was high art, when most of them kept calling the mushroom guy the 'engineer' when the show had neither an engineer or an engine room for that matter. Hatred of this disgrace led me to your channel, Doomcock and Nerdrotic, but of late you are only constant left bashing STD. The other channels seem to have forgotten all about Kurtzman's wrecking of a once stellar franchise. Keep up the good work.
Agreed. On the reddit forums, I'm so sick of people who get all angry and defensive about the new shows. It's like they're too afraid to speak up because people are gullible and desperate to fit in, and they know the hive mind zombie sheep, will all attack anyone for criticizing the new garbage, and think because it's an "official" show that it's Canon. They sell out to new trek because they're such cowards and fear being called "toxic" by random strangers. What kind of a man or woman is so pathetic as to cower in fear and shill for a show they deep down hate, just because they are desperate to fit in with the status quo and crowd. They say star trek is "changing". Uhm no. We know EXACTLY how starfleet crew and humanity in general behaved both in the 23rd and 24th centuries. The new shows are set only a few years prior or 2 decades after. It's safe to say that starfleet should be the same. We even know how starfleet is in the 29th century, captain Braxton, as well as the 31st, Daniels from enterprise, they are all starfleet. What we see in the new FILTH AND GARBAGE is NOT star trek. It's more like star wars, or pew pew trek. It's not even trek at all, trek implies adventure, whether external or internal. New "trek" has none of that. The m0ronjc psycho characters all behave like the human apes of today. It's despicable. They ruined trek in 2009 and are continuing to ruin it. Even worse, Romulus is still destroyed?? Fk off. People who are on record saying they don't like star trek, or say that it's impossible to know the full lore of star trek and follow canon, and are total brainless low iq R3TARDED failures, should not be shown any respect nor should they be given any authority to add or remove or change the Canon lore. I wish we would find Alex Klutzman and torture him for years, force him to make an apology video admitting he's a looser nobody talentless hack who's jealous of gene rodenberry and star trek and hates star trek and thr fans, and then we would execute him by throwing him in a pit of lions while recording it live on RUclips. The fools at reddit think new "trek" is trek just because it's official. They assume new trek is helmed by people who respect star trek, and it's creator, and it's lore, and it's fans, but they're wrong.
Thank you!
Burnam always looks emotionally overwrought, which mirrors my impression of the entire series.
No wonder why Spock stayed away from Micheal🤣
"Childish over emotional weasels..." Yep. 😂
I would resign before serving on that shit sorry ship
I think the thing that grated me most of all about STD was the fact that the characters looked and sounded as though they were from modern day California. That, along with all the retcons, swearing, crying and disregard for authority.
*Oh what might have been* (as Alex Kurtzman wanted to do a Section 31 show anyway), Burnham *should* have been given the option of early release, by serving aboard a Black-ops Section 31 ship using classified technology (Spore drive) which would do rapid in & out missions and strikes against the Klingons. We could then find out that Lorca is unscrupulous because he's from the Mirror Universe, but also that the Klingons causing the new conflict were Mirror universe as well and wanted to crush the terran empire in our universe, build up a klingon army and return to their universe to strike at the Terran Empire. This would have a moral dilemma - does S31 do whatever it takes to win the war, would Lorca object to helping the klingons from his mirrorverse return with the spore drive to fight the terran empire that he was once part of. 😇
space jesus plank of wood;"were starfleet, we dont leave anyone behind!"
me; "oh rlly? lets go ask the prison shuttle pilot who fell off during warp that no one ever mentioned again..........OH WAIT! AWKWARD!!!"
YES! YES! Thank you. Finally, someone put into words the reason for my nerd rage. Dear STD writers, how was this character a reflection of anyone we've seen raised on Vulcan. How dear she hold the mantel of captain with all her transcreation and inability to stay on the (BEEP) ship. Why is it when there's a really important mission, she will only work with her pirate ex-boyfriend. And how dare she smugly lecture others when she is a dumpster fire of inconsistencies.
They must insert Mary Sue into material where she does not belong. For she can not exist (monetarily viable) as an original creation, given that creativity is disallowed in the contemporary climate. This "archetype" is the most visible artifact of an age without true artistic freedom. Any free initiative, or previously working formula, is replaced by aggressive feminism and active attempts at social engineering, treating the audience as mindless test subjects, ready to accept the removal of classic entertainment, in exchange for the latest in agenda driven hand-holding. (A rather long-winded way of saying that I'll pass on this "Star Trek in name only".)
Started watching this then realised it was aimed at people who have seen the show. As a Trek fan, I could not watch a show like this.
I just forced myself to finish watching Season 4 after pushing it off for many months. I purchased the first two seasons on blu-ray(I know, old school). Streamed season 3 and 4 and probably will not continue the series anymore. I liked the epic storylines, the surprises, new science and aliens, time travel, alternate universes, special effects, CGI, etc., but the scripts incessant emphasis on emotions and sharing one's feelings is ridiculous. We don't need a therapy session every 5 minutes when the captain talks to someone. Or the bedroom drama between the chief engineer and the doctor or listen to the personality disorders of the ship's computer. Just fly the damn ship, shoot some torpedo's, and save the Galaxy. If I wanted to watch a soap opera I'd chosen "Days of Our Fucking Lives." Leave our Sci-fi series alone!
how did this get 5 seasons while Strance New Worlds is barely breathing?
Here from part 2
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Quit watching the series halfway of the first season it was so bad. I hated most of the characters.
I speak for all trekkies when i say, I tried but could not like this. It's feels like the opposite of real trek. I assumed it was cancelled after season 2. Either way, it's not canon.
The key element of a Mary Sue is being an author self insert, generally in an existing franchise but the definition extends to clear self inserts in an original setting. Burnham is just poorly written and poorly conceived, but NOT a Mary Sue. Beside that, the analisys of Discover's problems is solid.
I desperately tried to like Discovery, but after two seasons of watching through my fingers I couldn't do it to myself any more. It never gave me any reasons to care about the characters. Bad writing killed it. I don't have a problem with the cast at all.
An example of the complete opposite side of the coin is Ted Lasso - I hate football, but that is a show which has interesting and loveable characters with stories and arcs you can get involved with. Even to the point of caring about the games they play. I never thought I'd be interested in anything football-related, but the show is written well enough that I did.
I love sci-fi, but I won't gobble up any old rubbish just because they've slapped on a Star Trek label. Good writing and characters you care about are key.
agreed. ive watched every episode and i dont know 75% of their names. it also fails miserably at turning the ship itself into a character. in the other series you cared about the ship and what happened to them and so did the characters. Discovery is basically a tricorder as far as anyone cares. mostly because of the ridiculous spor drive.
Never allow this show's trashy storylines to make you forget Anas Abdin, and what these people put his family through.
(At least Babylon 5 had the legal backing of an actual network, so they were able to force CBS/Paramount to settle before the public had a real chance to comprehend how slimy the people making "modern" Trek really are)
Michael Burham was depicted in season one as a rebel, a mutineer no less! Then she is restored and made Number 1. but she continues to question the captain. Michael always knows best. Then she is made captain and I thought, well what now? Of course she rebells against the Admirals. Then in the future it's the admirals and the leader of star fleet that she knows better than. Finally she solves the ultimate puzzle and finds the Progenitors holographic representative. Here it is! She is going to find out the meaning of Life, the Universe and Everything! and what does she do? Michael disagrees with the Progenitor and Michael wins. She is always right! I give up.
My issue with modern Trek is the aesthetics. The whole neon vibe is basically 80s blade runner with better graphics. It's dystopian and horrible. Why does TNG feel good? Because it's designed like a cruise liner, with natural hues and soft edges. You might think this doesn't matter, but it's all subconscious and absolutely does.
Humans are at their most comfortable around nature, and architects design living spaces to emulate and offer that comfort. It's unrealistic to assume star ships are going to be these sterile environments depicted in new Trek. It's more likely they would be far more natural, with living walls and plant life integrated with technology, because that's what people would want.
I know I'm going off on a tangent, but this really is my issue here. Modern design sucks because we are basically using 80s neon. Todays sci fi is going to look incredibly dated in 20 years time, whereas 90s Trek will continue to be timeless, because they got the design right.
I'd say all of Star Trek since 2009 to now has been awful. I know some people might say that Picard Season 3 is great but it had elements of NuTrek through it with the bad lighting for example. I will wait until Paramount has full control again of Star Trek can can bring it back to the likes of Star Trek from 1966 to 2005 again.
im glad for the 5th season, because it means STD is going away forever.
here we are, they've released season 5 and I don't care enough to even watch it. I could tell you maybe 2 characters names. We were just never given any reason to care about them.
This godawful depressing show did indeed end up giving me an STD. I gave up after 2 seasons. Only Pike's Enterprise made me watch Season 2 and the last I saw, part way through Season 3, is that Michelle Yeoh went quantum..
The ridiculous special effect gouts of flame bursting out of the walls of the bridge are a metaphor for what a friggin dumpster fire this show was.
Star Trek was about people, philosophy, critical thinking, science, and of course optimism.
NuTrek are NONE of those!
Thousands? No Sir...it was Millions!!!
Get back to the source material anytime a franchise fails it usually means it got to far away from a winning formula.Dc snyderverse comes to mind.
Dreadful to see it all gone to hell in a handcart .
Discovery is definitely Not in my blu ray collection,it's not star trek,not sure what it is 😂.🖖
I like discovery
STD was good. When it got to season three to be sent way way wayyyyy. Into the future I lost interest season two the Captain Pike era was really good.
I watched all 5 seasons, even through the insufferable wokeness, only because I have been a Star Trek fan for almost 60 years - but as I sit here, I can't remember any characters' names except Michael Burnham and Stamets.
It's a soap opera. How many times did they have only a couple minutes and they spend them up telling each other about their feelings? It's annoying as hell!
I only got through 4 episodes of Star Trek Dysentery. My God what a train wreck. I mean Star Trek Strange New Worlds isn't great, but it's watchable. Burnham should be rotting in prison forever after her mutiny. My condolences that the maker of this has sacrificed himself and watched all the seasons/episodes. Rotten Tomatoes rating 34%. That's almost as bad as Doctor Who 2023 which was 29%.
too much unearned emotion. it just didn't feel like a future i would want to be part of like all the others.
I barely made it through season 3 and & have not watched the show since. It is a disaster written by juveniles.
But we got SNW
the mary sue is star trek with lt.mary sue who as better captian then kirk, better in science then spock, better doctor then mccory, better engeneer then scotty, better at securty&tactical then checv, better pilot then sulu, better communications then uhura and just what happen to lt.mary sue she got kick off the ship. and now there everywhere in every genera of tv and movies.
i gave up after the 2nd season i didnt like that they to rewrite the whole star trek verse in a bad new image personally i think strange new worlds and Lower deck are far superior than Discoverys shitty attempt
Yes while Discovery does suck, Picard season 1 and 2 is much worse.
Not sure why this has come up again, but i have given it more thought, and i think Green is a terrible actor. She whispers, which is really annoying. But also cries or looks lke she is crying - at any sign of conflict. Every time an actor cries it means that the audience now should be brought to tears. But the writing on a typical TV show could not possibly be that good every 10 or 20 minutes.
But worse is her almost childish accent in the pronunciation of her words. We know how old she is but why does she talk like that?
I didn't watch your video. It sucks because rick Berman had nothing to do with it. Picard sucks because they gave Stewart creative control over it. He's no good.
The worst ST show by far. I watched the first season, then waded through the mess of the second and never made it to the end. Total junk.
Why waste money? Worst writers, bad characters, noo consistency.
Sonequa Martin-Green is a mediocre actress, woefully ill-equipped to sustain a major tv show. In addition to her character being intensely unlikable, her acting is cringe-inducing. I put up with all the PC bullshit because I do love Trek so much, but during the third season I just gave up. I couldn’t take any more of the Mary Sue storylines, the whispering, the crying, the pronoun bullshit and the gayness of it all.
🌈 trek not good.,
I hate everyone on this super woke show. So many gays. Jus shoving it down our throats. Pushing an agenda.
One of the worst shows ever. Woke destroyed it.
I like Discovery.
I like science !
Why do you make videos about a show you so obviously hate? As my dear old mum would say to me- If You have nothing nice to say, better if you say nothing!
Then why did you watch the video and comment on it? Just to feign some false sense of moral authority? You can just as easily go away and let the adults talk about what they want to talk about.
@@JadeRabbit-je4gd Why did you answer a comment that was obviously not addressed to you? Well, let's be honest. You didn't answer it did you. You felt offended that someone had the gall to post a negative comment and your reaction was to post some juvenile insults. Well done.
Because, as the much more useful axiom goes, call a spade a spade. If something is steaming hot dumpster juice, call it out.
I'll have to remember your dear old mum's word when I see a suspicious person leave a large bag on a bus. "See something, say something." but don't! You may offend someone! LOL!
But at least negative reviews are more than likely thoughtful. Positive channels just talk about Easter eggs, and how they 'love' a character. Can you articulate why you like this show without saying something is just 'good' or that 'you love' x? If you can, you would be exceptional.
I made it to the second season finale.. but the seizure inducing space battles and everyone and their brother knowing about the super secret section 31 was just to much for me to swallow, and it was just the last straw after the whole "spore drive" bs from the first season. And yes, bernard was irritating and i wish she had died in the first episode.