The one leg wall run is just more simple so I think a lot of us can get good results with that, but improving height gains with it seems to be based on upward thrust(which is a result of power) and the height the foot hits the wall. The two step wall run allows for a few more variables since you have the opportunity to get two thrusts off the wall. It requires more timing/body awareness as the second thrust has to start before the horizontal momentum stops! Can't wait to experiment with these!
I definitely agree that grabbing the wall is a more complex, difficult, and specific test, but it's also much harder to administer. I think that it is optimal to keep your hips close to the wall in both height touch and height grab. The farther your hips get away from the wall, the less vertical some or all of your body parts get. The less vertical all of those body parts are, the less height you will gain.
Hey Ryan.. I have one question.. Doesnt it makes more sense to use youre right hand for reaching for the edge when your last foot on the wall the left foot is? Because then you can strech youre body more than you could if you would use right foot and your right arm..! ... ... ... Or? :D Whats your oppinion on that? Regards, Michi :)
Also, if your first step translates a favorable amount of momentum upward while keeping enough forward momentum to be explosive with the second step, a hybrid technique seems possible. This creates a penultimate step on the wall, a technique usually reserved for flat ground jumping. However, this requires a lean back on the first step followed immediately by a quick jumping step that must occur before the forward momentum careens you into the wall.
Okay, so what it comes down to for me, in both 1 and 2 step techniques, is the play between conservation/translation of momentum and the explosive momentum added by jumping. If you take a look at Jake and Kenny, for instance, their one step techniques involve an explosive "jump" off the wall, coordinated with a pronounced opening of the hips. They block their forward momentum upward with one jumping step, which sacrifices a higher degree of their forward momentum.
Definitely an interesting idea but if you test it out, be careful. We've seen ankle and Achilles injuries result from stepping too flat footed on the wall. I think with a sufficient lean back on the first step, this idea might apply, but the 2nd step would most likely need to be on the ball of the foot.
It should be noted that a height touch is not the same as a height grab. Many of these guys end up with their hips pretty far away from the wall, which helps them get height, but also makes them unable to grab. We can assume that the higher maximum output in this sport exercise would yield a higher result in an actual grab, but many sports have shown that this is not always the case when it comes to actual game play. Would be interesting to have a similar test with an adjustable wall height.
If you mean a side to side, twisting torso, all of the best wall runs I have ever done and witnessed were grabbed with 1 arm and a slight turn to the side. Sure, it is harder to hold on that way, but if you have strong arms and grip, this technique will result in the highest grabs.
Awesome, just had a look, I will give a few of my students a go tomorrow, and have a look into the heel drive as it seemed effective from the top 2 jumpers, keep up the good work.
Camilo and Andrew, however, transition their momentum over greater time, probably more smoothly and efficiently but sacrificing explosive jumping power allowed by a more closed hip angle and bending of the legs in the one step. I think the 1 step becomes less and less favorable with added forward momentum; you can take off further and further back and step higher and higher, but there is still an upward limit (citation needed) to how much power you can translate with one jumping step.
Just curious. Are you showing these based on the rank they placed? What I mean by is that I'm asking if the first person you show got the highest distance and the second person you showed got the second highest distance.
After watching this video, I want to start tweaking my technique. So I gather that if you do a right foot plant on the wall, you should do a right hand reach? And vice-versa, a left foot plant with a left hand reach? Also I'm wondering how far from the wall should the initial take-off be for a one foot wall run? And it looks like the foot that plants on the wall is slightly higher than hip height. Is that right?
Do you have a height comparisson between the height of the wall run height and the standing reach of the traceur, i feel that would create another good set of results demonstarting how much comparative power each traceur generates. Another aspect would be adding another variable height, the height at where the traceur steps off the wall and their maximum height. I would hypothesise that like in other sporting areas those with the same distance of power generation would differ in total height.
Depending on speed to height ratio. Two step jumps need short distance between feet. 1 step is good to start because rookies take their second foot too high making it push them away from the wall. But after you get more confident on foot placement, fast and short movements on the second foot. Still should lead with dominant foot until you practice and get down single touch with non dominant foot. Practice both and you'll get those extra inches just don't let your second foot go above the knee. Going for extra inches means second foot only moves up a few inches. Start by almost matching feet with one slightly higher. Lemme know. Love the wall jumps. I'll be uploading a video of some bouldering dyno's soon. Love the videos!
How are you measuring height? You say the highest was a "Sixty eight inches" that's 5 foot 8 inches... which isn't even as tall as he appears. Are you measuring the height above their head standing straight or from reaching up above their head with outstretched arm?
SillyBehavior But my question is, is it the: "height above their head standing normally" OR "the height above their maximum reach straining with one hand and on tip of toes" Because those are very different. Either would correct for height, but in different ways. Anyone can strain to reach much higher than just above their head. Which is it?
SillyBehavior But this is all about physical advantage. Doooh. The thing is standing height is so much more standardised than straining reach height. Ahh well, thanks for clarifying. BTW: how do you know it is about straining reach height and not standing height?
Treblaine Physical advantages through hard work, training and technique, not through genetics. I don't *really* know but ryan ford is a smart guy and I'd be thoroughly surprised if it wasn't strained reaching height. You're straining as much as you're able to when you do the wall run, would make sense to measure it the same way.
It seems like two step may be more technically difficult in terms of footwork and timing. For me I feel like when I aim for full exertion, technique can suffer a little. I figured this out the first time I tried a warped wall. First attempt, kinda winged it and grabbed the top, but then on the next few I was throwing myself up the wall and missing. Friend told me to slow down and shorten my run up and just like that, technique improved and it worked. Two step may in fact be better when refined.
A comment on the second foot to hit the wall in the two step technique. I see that most practitioners are placing the ball of their foot on the wall with the ankle far off the wall. Rock climbers use a technique called smearing where they push the flat of their foot against the wall to get more purchase than just the toe. With some ankle flexibility training a two foot wall running traceur may be able to get a little more height with smearing.
He seems to believe that knee and heel drive is a significant force to gain height, while you seem to believe otherwise in your wall up video. Is it not enough to accelerate the body? Does it cause the person to be less aerodynamic?
Watched this twice. Looking at the top 2steppers, it appears to me that they are not getting much if any of their foot on the wall. Going along with this, it doesn't seem like the second foot rises much after it pushes against the wall, especially when compared to the amount the first foot rises. I suspect that the gains from the 2 step technique are mostly due to the huge knee drive required to get your second foot high enough to step, rather than an actual push off the wall.
im more of a one step wrv and i was wanting to work in a second step to possibly increase my height ive been doing solo running for roughly 3 years i have a good height i can get from A-B but i want to work in keeping my momentum and using a second kick up, any advice. And btw, I learned when doing a wrv the use both hands and throw them up as you lead into/onto the wall to further transition the weight of your kick up instead of into then out, it goes onto then up. But how could i make my second kick up better?
I wouldn't say I NEVER experimented with it. I havent tried it recently, but when I first learned my wallrun and first experimented with it, my second foot would push me farther away from the wall and I would either lose height or not even be able to make contact with the wall. This isnt to say it isn't worth attempting again, which I will certainly play with in future trainings, I just didn't find it effective for me in the past. Also, Yes Squeege
in mi opinion the best way to execute a wall run is use a one step on the wall... onli because the other leg dont use the momentun foward to up... an i have been see all of yours dont use ur arms to put mor strength in the jump... u need to do the same as the precision but in fact u use the arms + one foot aproche to goes up... thats what i mean... ( only my opinion... and sorry about the bad inglish... but i like the way u try to examine the movement... thx ^^)
(continued) By the time your second foot hits, you are necessarily too close to the wall to get enough of your foot on it to effectively push up. Here's what I get from the video: Focus on creating a negative shin angle on your last ground step to generate height and keep you far enough back from the wall that you can get maximum surface area on your wall step. Once you master this, then you can start worrying about creating a big knee drive with your second leg.
I've mainly seen shorter traceurs use the two step technique, so maybe - because it's more efficient - they adopted it to compensate for their body height.
I have tried both two-step and one-step, but what I notice is that when I am doing the two-step I don't have enough time to completely extended my first foot, so the second foot is lower than it should be, also the second foot does not have enough time either before losing momentum, but I am not a pro. Maybe with more training I can learn how to get my footing and momentum better, but for the time being the one-step seems to be giving me better results.
Totally biomechanics from the perspective of the body, but physics in terms of the forces that are coming into play against the wall, forces required to create maxiumum friction on the wall to maximum contact, etc. I'm gonna pose this question to a physics friend of mine and see what they think!
aerodynamics have such a small effect in a movement like this, it isn't worth noting. The issue is that the knee and heel drive is often misinterpreted as adding force. That force has to come from somewhere (equal and apposite) and that is the foot that is planted, which will most certainly have already reached maximum potential at that point. In reality heal drives are a result of your body naturally trying to keep your balance in the movement... they don't always (nor always need to) happen.
Yeah, but the wall has to be banked at least to a certain degree if you want to actually run on it(and not just place your feet on it briefly). Great example of runnable wall is suicide wall, visible in many RUclips videos such as this ruclips.net/video/TCyhLQBBPmg/видео.html
Lol same here. My friends talk shit then they say, oh my ankle hurts or my hands hurt. And then when they see my skip the stairs and wall run over the railing they are like. All hail the spanish ninja
This sport always reminds me of Jai alai. Have any of you guys ever considered that, or are you familiar with that game? Look it up on youtube. You could sure earn a substantial salary, if you could make the team.
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The one leg wall run is just more simple so I think a lot of us can get good results with that, but improving height gains with it seems to be based on upward thrust(which is a result of power) and the height the foot hits the wall. The two step wall run allows for a few more variables since you have the opportunity to get two thrusts off the wall. It requires more timing/body awareness as the second thrust has to start before the horizontal momentum stops! Can't wait to experiment with these!
I definitely agree that grabbing the wall is a more complex, difficult, and specific test, but it's also much harder to administer.
I think that it is optimal to keep your hips close to the wall in both height touch and height grab. The farther your hips get away from the wall, the less vertical some or all of your body parts get. The less vertical all of those body parts are, the less height you will gain.
Hey Ryan.. I have one question..
Doesnt it makes more sense to use youre right hand for reaching for the edge when your last foot on the wall the left foot is?
Because then you can strech youre body more than you could if you would use right foot and your right arm..!
... ... ... Or? :D
Whats your oppinion on that?
Regards, Michi :)
wall run vertical = wall run reach - standing reach
you can see full results in the description.
This video helped me, thanks :D
happy to help, thanks for letting me know!
can you analyse the ninja wall run, i heared that in ninjutsu they learn to make a 6 small steps on wall run
Also, if your first step translates a favorable amount of momentum upward while keeping enough forward momentum to be explosive with the second step, a hybrid technique seems possible. This creates a penultimate step on the wall, a technique usually reserved for flat ground jumping. However, this requires a lean back on the first step followed immediately by a quick jumping step that must occur before the forward momentum careens you into the wall.
Okay, so what it comes down to for me, in both 1 and 2 step techniques, is the play between conservation/translation of momentum and the explosive momentum added by jumping. If you take a look at Jake and Kenny, for instance, their one step techniques involve an explosive "jump" off the wall, coordinated with a pronounced opening of the hips. They block their forward momentum upward with one jumping step, which sacrifices a higher degree of their forward momentum.
Definitely an interesting idea but if you test it out, be careful. We've seen ankle and Achilles injuries result from stepping too flat footed on the wall. I think with a sufficient lean back on the first step, this idea might apply, but the 2nd step would most likely need to be on the ball of the foot.
It should be noted that a height touch is not the same as a height grab. Many of these guys end up with their hips pretty far away from the wall, which helps them get height, but also makes them unable to grab. We can assume that the higher maximum output in this sport exercise would yield a higher result in an actual grab, but many sports have shown that this is not always the case when it comes to actual game play. Would be interesting to have a similar test with an adjustable wall height.
If you mean a side to side, twisting torso, all of the best wall runs I have ever done and witnessed were grabbed with 1 arm and a slight turn to the side. Sure, it is harder to hold on that way, but if you have strong arms and grip, this technique will result in the highest grabs.
Have you done more analysis like this recently? It would be awesome measure what's the optimum speed to run towards the wall
hmm I should do more. hopefully this year. thanks for asking, these are fun to make :)
Awesome, just had a look, I will give a few of my students a go tomorrow, and have a look into the heel drive as it seemed effective from the top 2 jumpers, keep up the good work.
Hey Ryan I have a question you live in Colorado so you obviously get snow what do you suggest for others who live in snowy conditions
I agree with you here. I was thinking that a great 2 step wall run will require top speed and perhaps seemingly excessive backwards lean.
Great content
Camilo and Andrew, however, transition their momentum over greater time, probably more smoothly and efficiently but sacrificing explosive jumping power allowed by a more closed hip angle and bending of the legs in the one step. I think the 1 step becomes less and less favorable with added forward momentum; you can take off further and further back and step higher and higher, but there is still an upward limit (citation needed) to how much power you can translate with one jumping step.
Just curious. Are you showing these based on the rank they placed? What I mean by is that I'm asking if the first person you show got the highest distance and the second person you showed got the second highest distance.
Very good video. I learned alot!
After watching this video, I want to start tweaking my technique. So I gather that if you do a right foot plant on the wall, you should do a right hand reach? And vice-versa, a left foot plant with a left hand reach? Also I'm wondering how far from the wall should the initial take-off be for a one foot wall run? And it looks like the foot that plants on the wall is slightly higher than hip height. Is that right?
Do you have a height comparisson between the height of the wall run height and the standing reach of the traceur, i feel that would create another good set of results demonstarting how much comparative power each traceur generates. Another aspect would be adding another variable height, the height at where the traceur steps off the wall and their maximum height. I would hypothesise that like in other sporting areas those with the same distance of power generation would differ in total height.
Depending on speed to height ratio. Two step jumps need short distance between feet. 1 step is good to start because rookies take their second foot too high making it push them away from the wall. But after you get more confident on foot placement, fast and short movements on the second foot. Still should lead with dominant foot until you practice and get down single touch with non dominant foot. Practice both and you'll get those extra inches just don't let your second foot go above the knee. Going for extra inches means second foot only moves up a few inches. Start by almost matching feet with one slightly higher. Lemme know. Love the wall jumps. I'll be uploading a video of some bouldering dyno's soon. Love the videos!
How are you measuring height? You say the highest was a "Sixty eight inches" that's 5 foot 8 inches... which isn't even as tall as he appears. Are you measuring the height above their head standing straight or from reaching up above their head with outstretched arm?
yes, so as not to give taller people an advantage.
SillyBehavior But my question is, is it the:
"height above their head standing normally"
OR
"the height above their maximum reach straining with one hand and on tip of toes"
Because those are very different. Either would correct for height, but in different ways. Anyone can strain to reach much higher than just above their head.
Which is it?
Treblaine with stretched out arms above their head, also so as not to give people with longer arms an advantage.
SillyBehavior But this is all about physical advantage. Doooh. The thing is standing height is so much more standardised than straining reach height. Ahh well, thanks for clarifying.
BTW: how do you know it is about straining reach height and not standing height?
Treblaine Physical advantages through hard work, training and technique, not through genetics.
I don't *really* know but ryan ford is a smart guy and I'd be thoroughly surprised if it wasn't strained reaching height.
You're straining as much as you're able to when you do the wall run, would make sense to measure it the same way.
It seems like two step may be more technically difficult in terms of footwork and timing. For me I feel like when I aim for full exertion, technique can suffer a little. I figured this out the first time I tried a warped wall. First attempt, kinda winged it and grabbed the top, but then on the next few I was throwing myself up the wall and missing. Friend told me to slow down and shorten my run up and just like that, technique improved and it worked. Two step may in fact be better when refined.
A comment on the second foot to hit the wall in the two step technique. I see that most practitioners are placing the ball of their foot on the wall with the ankle far off the wall. Rock climbers use a technique called smearing where they push the flat of their foot against the wall to get more purchase than just the toe. With some ankle flexibility training a two foot wall running traceur may be able to get a little more height with smearing.
That goes against my 9 yrs. of training and coaching. Show me some examples of your idea if I am wrong.
He seems to believe that knee and heel drive is a significant force to gain height, while you seem to believe otherwise in your wall up video. Is it not enough to accelerate the body? Does it cause the person to be less aerodynamic?
Watched this twice. Looking at the top 2steppers, it appears to me that they are not getting much if any of their foot on the wall. Going along with this, it doesn't seem like the second foot rises much after it pushes against the wall, especially when compared to the amount the first foot rises. I suspect that the gains from the 2 step technique are mostly due to the huge knee drive required to get your second foot high enough to step, rather than an actual push off the wall.
im more of a one step wrv and i was wanting to work in a second step to possibly increase my height ive been doing solo running for roughly 3 years i have a good height i can get from A-B but i want to work in keeping my momentum and using a second kick up, any advice. And btw, I learned when doing a wrv the use both hands and throw them up as you lead into/onto the wall to further transition the weight of your kick up instead of into then out, it goes onto then up. But how could i make my second kick up better?
I wouldn't say I NEVER experimented with it. I havent tried it recently, but when I first learned my wallrun and first experimented with it, my second foot would push me farther away from the wall and I would either lose height or not even be able to make contact with the wall. This isnt to say it isn't worth attempting again, which I will certainly play with in future trainings, I just didn't find it effective for me in the past.
Also, Yes Squeege
WHERE is this place I want to learn
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in mi opinion the best way to execute a wall run is use a one step on the wall... onli because the other leg dont use the momentun foward to up... an i have been see all of yours dont use ur arms to put mor strength in the jump... u need to do the same as the precision but in fact u use the arms + one foot aproche to goes up... thats what i mean... ( only my opinion... and sorry about the bad inglish... but i like the way u try to examine the movement... thx ^^)
(continued) By the time your second foot hits, you are necessarily too close to the wall to get enough of your foot on it to effectively push up. Here's what I get from the video: Focus on creating a negative shin angle on your last ground step to generate height and keep you far enough back from the wall that you can get maximum surface area on your wall step. Once you master this, then you can start worrying about creating a big knee drive with your second leg.
I've mainly seen shorter traceurs use the two step technique, so maybe - because it's more efficient - they adopted it to compensate for their body height.
I have tried both two-step and one-step, but what I notice is that when I am doing the two-step I don't have enough time to completely extended my first foot, so the second foot is lower than it should be, also the second foot does not have enough time either before losing momentum, but I am not a pro. Maybe with more training I can learn how to get my footing and momentum better, but for the time being the one-step seems to be giving me better results.
3:21 at last someone remembered the basic landing
Thank you in 9 yrs old and u did it
Totally biomechanics from the perspective of the body, but physics in terms of the forces that are coming into play against the wall, forces required to create maxiumum friction on the wall to maximum contact, etc. I'm gonna pose this question to a physics friend of mine and see what they think!
aerodynamics have such a small effect in a movement like this, it isn't worth noting. The issue is that the knee and heel drive is often misinterpreted as adding force. That force has to come from somewhere (equal and apposite) and that is the foot that is planted, which will most certainly have already reached maximum potential at that point. In reality heal drives are a result of your body naturally trying to keep your balance in the movement... they don't always (nor always need to) happen.
I'd try and see in what situations climbers use this technique. It could be a static technique, dangerous with the momentum of the wall run.
What if...two step..knee drive and heel drive....I like this series...I've also started to break down moves..it's a fun process
are nike air max good shoes for parkour?
What does DGAF mean? Sorry I'm kinda a noob :)
I added my video as a video response, it should answer some of your questions. All the best.
I've always used the two step approach, I've never tried the one step, so I'm going to do a personal experiment :3
Let us knoe the result brother
Let us know the result brother
haha which ones, there are like 10 pairs in this.
did anybody else notice those bars on the left side that says HI?
yes, that's correct.
I got 2 questions can us girls do this?? And is this in U.K.??🤔🤔
Emo Girl519 of course but you need to be athletic if you want to go as high as you can
If you are athletic enough, anyone can perform the move
i think 2 steps is better as the second adds an extra hight to the first step
it seems that way but no, find video about parkour science, guy will explain U why one step is better. But 2 step looks bad ass)
nice ive been bracticing for a cupal years.I can take 3 steps on the wall.
Can you do wall run horizontal
Yeah, but the wall has to be banked at least to a certain degree if you want to actually run on it(and not just place your feet on it briefly). Great example of runnable wall is suicide wall, visible in many RUclips videos such as this ruclips.net/video/TCyhLQBBPmg/видео.html
Came here for Prince of Persia, a briliant classic masterpiece of persian parkour =)
OMG I JUST DID THAT TODAY AT SCHOOL XD AND I ALMOST SLAMMED THE FIRE ALARM XD
Lol same here. My friends talk shit then they say, oh my ankle hurts or my hands hurt. And then when they see my skip the stairs and wall run over the railing they are like. All hail the spanish ninja
what are you? 13?
2,50m it is high?
ced leb to touch 250 cm?
@@kakasvk r/wooooosh
no, you can simply jump, no wall needed to reach 2,5
Great video (thanks for twitter follow), this really helps for those like me that want to get higher :)
You just just gotta DGAF a little more than most freerunners. ;)
i dont need tutorials
This is all physics!
68 inches is only 5 feet
5 feet 8 inches of air above the ground. that's much higher than even the best vertical jumps.
@@ryanford1 Thanks. Do you know high the hand was of the person who got the highest? I just learned how to wall run today lol
@@verxlized4979 click the spreadsheet link in the doc if you want to see all those exact measurements from everyone.
@@ryanford1 Got it, thanks.
This sport always reminds me of Jai alai. Have any of you guys ever considered that, or are you familiar with that game? Look it up on youtube. You could sure earn a substantial salary, if you could make the team.
i learned my self when i was 5
because u watched spiderman?
no...I watched spider man when i was 8 lol BUT I HAD A DREAM! ATLEASt
Never mind I googled it hahaha XD
biomechanics. ;)