@@ztoff3012 good question.. probably for the house.. don’t want to heat a Organic pool .. the Organic pool uses plants to clean the water if you heat the pool you could damage the plants and other organisms and create an algae growth
That system will essentially absorb the ambient heat from a large area (the concrete under the pool) and condense it to create a more intense heat that can be used to heat the home. It has meters and meters of piping so can absorb quite a lot of heat
How about this approach: first epdm liner, then the concrete foundation & walls on top of the liner. I see some advantages: you can choose a color other than black for the swimming area. Easier for plumbing and repair. Has this ever been done (succesfully)?
Hi David, I noticed you generally backfill your ponds with gravel. Would you ever do it with subsoil? To provide a stronger growing medium etc, as long as you have good filtration of course, no introduced fish etc.
I still can't understand how to install a pump without puncturing the EPDM layer! Trying to build one in a normal pool shape and want to add a pump system.
Excellent video! Does anyone know, at 2:19, what the small and light colored pipes are near the top of the gravel on the outside and near the top of the water level on the inside? Thanks in advance! :)
I'm wondering if it is possible to create such organic pool without using any kind of plastics whatsoever, like for example roman pools etc.? What different options would there be to accomplish such thing? If someone happens to have good sources, please do share them :) Cheers!
Well Romans used cement and that is about as polluting as making plastic... But, you could mortar stone or, of course, there are clay bottom ponds (but traveling clay if it's far from you can be polluting as well).
Clay is always the best option, plastic liners will need to be replaced in 20-50 years but clay is for many lifetimes. No nasty petroleum industry needed
Is the liner material available in any other color besides black? I.e. light gray, blue, or what have you? I am really liking the concept but I want to be able to clearly see the bottom everywhere otherwise I won't be comfortable swimming in this.
Hmmm. Yes. Obviously saves digging separately for the pool and the ground source array, but unless the bottom of the pool is insulated, I would guess the array will be drawing significant energy from the pool as well as the ground below.
Why not put the liner UNDER the concrete and brick wall? My entire pond will be concrete on TOP of liner... Then... nothing can puncture the liner. Then rocks on top of concrete.
Hi- how long did ur water take to clear up? We just finished building our pool and are in the "cloudy" phase - hoping it won't last maybe more than a few weeks? Also- did you add any beneficial bacteria to your pool? Thanks!
@gabrielwiktorowicz3281 unfortunately there was a fresh water spring under it which in turn would fill underneath the liner and was a horrible disaster - we ended up having to fill the entire thing.. it was beautiful up until that point
The only thing I don't get is leaving the plastic liner exposed on the bottom. It's terribly unattractive (IMO, and the rest is gorgeous) and I think it makes the pool look unfinished.
Putting the heat exchanger under the pool sounds about like opening your fridge to cool your house. It won't work like you expect. It looks like someone who doesn't understand how heat pumps work. Would love to hear your reasoning.
Someone mentioned that this is likely for the house, not the pool. But then this could freeze the pond from the bottom in the winter, when you're drawing heat out of the exchanger. Still very curious about the aspects they considered here, and what the math says, and how Nature responds.
@@boardwalkbw7130 of course. In case you don't know how heat pumps work, when you're heating, there's a cold side that exchanges with outside air (or ground/pond in this case.) To make my question perfectly clear: in the winter, heating the house, the pond outside is already cold. If you are using the pond to extract heat, _this makes the pond actually colder._ In climates with freezing weather, ponds are prevented from freezing entirely by 2 factors: 1) ice floats, so any ice that forms floats to the surface, 2) the temperature of the ground below the surface actually varies less than the ground surface, and so the ground actually stays above freezing (except in frozen tundra.) If you use the ground under the pond to exchange the cold side of the heat exchanger, you reduce the value of the warmth of below surface ground - in short, you risk freezing the entire pond from the bottom. Even if it doesn't freeze, the ecosystem in the pond will be colder than a natural ecosystem exactly because you are extracting heat from it. This could put a strain on the fish, plants and other fauna that have settled in the pond. I hope you can understand the complexity and intelligence of my question now, as sometimes people think my questions are simple.
Why they never show them pools after 2-3 years after being built? I think I know why because I've owned one and after 3 years it looks not like those once you watch it here. The algae won't be your biggest issue. The Great diving beetles (Dytiscus marginalis) will be! Very aggressive bug which grows up to 2 inches in length and will not hesitate to bite you. This is our biggest nightmare. Not heaving predator fish like bass or perch you most likely end up with hundreds of them in your pool. Even when you are trying to catch them up and kill them after two weeks of holidays we are back to square one. You may wonder why? Because they swim well but they also fly! So they probably migrate from other water sources nearby which makes it almost impossible to get rid of at least in our case.
The one thing that I really can't stand about this channel is how short the videos are. I would love a long video with explanations and insights. Such a good opportunity for a really interesting video. This is just a bit boring really. Sorry.
@jigglypuff: The MAN has a LIFE and it's not living on RUclips like many soul disconnected people out there. You want more info then research on his website. Have a Great Day!!!
What would be the point of revealing absolutely every detail and nullify the purpose of the courses that gives the man a bit of pocket change? If you’re genuinely interested, buy his content and relish in the details of it. If not, just chill, nobody has any obligations towards you.
Awesome.. love that he incorporated the ground sourced heat pump into the design.. well done!
Is the heat pump for the house or pool?
@@ztoff3012 good question.. probably for the house.. don’t want to heat a Organic pool .. the Organic pool uses plants to clean the water if you heat the pool you could damage the plants and other organisms and create an algae growth
@@aaronparys1750this makes a whole lot more sense. However, it could freeze the pond from the bottom in winter.
I believe it’s to help heat the house. To what degree it helps is anyone’s guess. I’m going to assume it makes only a marginal addition to the home.
@@savedfaves how does this heat the house? i don't understand
So nice to see those young 'tadpoles' enjoying the construction and swimming in a foot of water.
Dad the Hero! Nice one.
Brilliant pool, love it.
PS! I kind of think David have a Norwegian in his heart.....love the music.
It's true! Peer Gynt has been used extensively to convey Englishness, but it's by Grieg!
Well done David, you inspire us all. 😀
Congraulations, Will! -- and David. It's lovely! Perfect for a sauna!
Dude must be rich. Unfortunately, not everyone is. The video was fantastic! Thanks!
Absolutely LOVE it!
Costing and timings would be a great addition.
Beautiful journey
Bravo!
just stunning
Gorgeous pool and I did not know one could heat the water? Will it not damage plants or what is max temp it is heated to?
The pipes underneath are for a heat exchanger or heat pump, I think, and not a "warmer".
That system will essentially absorb the ambient heat from a large area (the concrete under the pool) and condense it to create a more intense heat that can be used to heat the home. It has meters and meters of piping so can absorb quite a lot of heat
Lovely stuff
Beautiful 💗
How about this approach: first epdm liner, then the concrete foundation & walls on top of the liner. I see some advantages: you can choose a color other than black for the swimming area. Easier for plumbing and repair. Has this ever been done (succesfully)?
Jerry, thank you for the idea. I haven’t been able to stop thinking of the pool idea.
beautiful
Hi David, I noticed you generally backfill your ponds with gravel. Would you ever do it with subsoil? To provide a stronger growing medium etc, as long as you have good filtration of course, no introduced fish etc.
Heaven!
Awesome video, David - do you leave the pond line exposed for the walls and floor, as shown at 1:46?
Wait... I didn't see how you get water from the deep center filtered out to the permitter? Maybe I missed something.
Wish I knew the size and depth of this design as its exactly what I want to do
Will, what sized compressor did you use please and where did you purchase the oak?
Is that a wooden wall separating the vegetative from the swimming area? What kind of wood?
I still can't understand how to install a pump without puncturing the EPDM layer! Trying to build one in a normal pool shape and want to add a pump system.
Excellent video! Does anyone know, at 2:19, what the small and light colored pipes are near the top of the gravel on the outside and near the top of the water level on the inside? Thanks in advance! :)
I'm wondering if it is possible to create such organic pool without using any kind of plastics whatsoever, like for example roman pools etc.? What different options would there be to accomplish such thing? If someone happens to have good sources, please do share them :)
Cheers!
Well Romans used cement and that is about as polluting as making plastic... But, you could mortar stone or, of course, there are clay bottom ponds (but traveling clay if it's far from you can be polluting as well).
Clay is always the best option, plastic liners will need to be replaced in 20-50 years but clay is for many lifetimes. No nasty petroleum industry needed
Clay would be the most organic method of lining a pond
Does that pool liner degrade with exposure to UV?
Where do you buy the liner from?
Concrete organic pool, how does that work then. I fail to see how anything built using concrete can be classed as organic.
Omg want
Is the liner material available in any other color besides black? I.e. light gray, blue, or what have you? I am really liking the concept but I want to be able to clearly see the bottom everywhere otherwise I won't be comfortable swimming in this.
U could put White sand or gravel on the bottom too
WHAT IS THE COST OF SUCH A POOL
A small fortune, I’d bet.
Did they relocate the mini football pitch?😁😁😁
great pool, will be interesting to see if the ground source pipes take much heat out of the pool.
Hmmm. Yes. Obviously saves digging separately for the pool and the ground source array, but unless the bottom of the pool is insulated, I would guess the array will be drawing significant energy from the pool as well as the ground below.
Probably not swimming in the winter??
@MartensAD
Not so fast.
David has clips of him swimming with ice on the surface of his pond. He says he swims daily in ice.
Why not put the liner UNDER the concrete and brick wall? My entire pond will be concrete on TOP of liner... Then... nothing can puncture the liner.
Then rocks on top of concrete.
how is this organic?
Hi- how long did ur water take to clear up? We just finished building our pool and are in the "cloudy" phase - hoping it won't last maybe more than a few weeks? Also- did you add any beneficial bacteria to your pool? Thanks!
How is your pool looking?
@gabrielwiktorowicz3281 unfortunately there was a fresh water spring under it which in turn would fill underneath the liner and was a horrible disaster - we ended up having to fill the entire thing.. it was beautiful up until that point
Great pool. How did you get the right angle corners with the pond liner?
Probably just tidy folds
I just bought the PDF guide from his website and he spends an entire section teaching the exact folds!
david what did we say about your hair!???
Cement pollutes so much...
Many insects came to the pool.
The only thing I don't get is leaving the plastic liner exposed on the bottom. It's terribly unattractive (IMO, and the rest is gorgeous) and I think it makes the pool look unfinished.
Putting the heat exchanger under the pool sounds about like opening your fridge to cool your house. It won't work like you expect. It looks like someone who doesn't understand how heat pumps work. Would love to hear your reasoning.
Someone mentioned that this is likely for the house, not the pool.
But then this could freeze the pond from the bottom in the winter, when you're drawing heat out of the exchanger.
Still very curious about the aspects they considered here, and what the math says, and how Nature responds.
It's for a geothermal HVAC system for the house
@@boardwalkbw7130 of course.
In case you don't know how heat pumps work, when you're heating, there's a cold side that exchanges with outside air (or ground/pond in this case.)
To make my question perfectly clear: in the winter, heating the house, the pond outside is already cold. If you are using the pond to extract heat, _this makes the pond actually colder._
In climates with freezing weather, ponds are prevented from freezing entirely by 2 factors: 1) ice floats, so any ice that forms floats to the surface, 2) the temperature of the ground below the surface actually varies less than the ground surface, and so the ground actually stays above freezing (except in frozen tundra.)
If you use the ground under the pond to exchange the cold side of the heat exchanger, you reduce the value of the warmth of below surface ground - in short, you risk freezing the entire pond from the bottom.
Even if it doesn't freeze, the ecosystem in the pond will be colder than a natural ecosystem exactly because you are extracting heat from it. This could put a strain on the fish, plants and other fauna that have settled in the pond.
I hope you can understand the complexity and intelligence of my question now, as sometimes people think my questions are simple.
I wouldn’t say this is “organic”
Why they never show them pools after 2-3 years after being built? I think I know why because I've owned one and after 3 years it looks not like those once you watch it here. The algae won't be your biggest issue. The Great diving beetles (Dytiscus marginalis) will be! Very aggressive bug which grows up to 2 inches in length and will not hesitate to bite you. This is our biggest nightmare. Not heaving predator fish like bass or perch you most likely end up with hundreds of them in your pool. Even when you are trying to catch them up and kill them after two weeks of holidays we are back to square one. You may wonder why? Because they swim well but they also fly! So they probably migrate from other water sources nearby which makes it almost impossible to get rid of at least in our case.
The one thing that I really can't stand about this channel is how short the videos are. I would love a long video with explanations and insights. Such a good opportunity for a really interesting video. This is just a bit boring really. Sorry.
You can buy access to a super long technical video from David or go on his course 😊
@jigglypuff:
The MAN has a LIFE and it's not living on RUclips like many soul disconnected people out there. You want more info then research on his website. Have a Great Day!!!
Hi Will. Lovely pool. How much did it cost in total? Did you do any of the hard labour yourself? Thanks
Dejo de ser natural o organic al poner cemento
Don't understand why waste money on concrete then a pond liner... might as well get a normal pool...
Ground source heat pump I believe is for the house and not the pond. Concrete is to cover it?
still think this is cheaper than a normal pool(the plants does the waterfiltering).
What would be the point of revealing absolutely every detail and nullify the purpose of the courses that gives the man a bit of pocket change? If you’re genuinely interested, buy his content and relish in the details of it. If not, just chill, nobody has any obligations towards you.