What wasn’t mentioned in this is the Twins had an even smaller payroll then the A’s. Not only did they beat out the moneyball team on the field, but also in the front office.
@@jbj7599 The number is really close, but never the less Twins payroll was still smaller. A’s at $41,000,000 and the Twins were at $40,225,000. Growing up watching the Twins it was the one part about Moneyball that annoyed me the most. Not to mention they show the Twins beating them in the movie!
@@eatmynuggiez8911 haha hey 2 is still greater then 1! If you’re going to make a movie about “the moneyball way” they could’ve at least included the team that was the best at it.
As a Minnesotan, it's absolutely insane that Bud Selig thought a Twins-less MLB would mean Minnesota would cheer on the Brewers. Had he been so far removed from his time in Wisconsin as to forget how much we fucking hate the Packers here? And yet he thought killing our time would lead to a boon for the Mariners? Absolute insanity. You'd legitimately have better luck contracting the Steelers and telling them to instead cheer for the Eagles.
I’m a Twins fan, and am not a huge Packers guy, but I like the Brewers. Cool name, cool stadium, the fans have been nice when I was in Milwaukee for a two games.
There’s a lot of overlap between twins fans/packers fans in western Wisconsin. Many Wisconsin folk cheer for the Minnesota Wild, so, no, I don’t think it’s that crazy that Minnesota fans would cheer for the Brewers
As a Minnesota kid who was too young to remember the World Series teams and had to watch year after year of bad teams in the 90s, this season was so magical. Sad that this was as good as it ever got, but man, what a year. I made so many great memories at the Dome in 2002. I had never seen a Twins game with any energy in the crowd and it was intoxicating. I was also extremely pissed that they let David Ortiz go in the off-season, and well, that one still stings.
Crazy thing is that I don't think this is the best Twins team I've ever seen in my life (was born in 93, for reference). This team was good. Later iterations were even better, just ran into some of the worst postseason luck I've ever seen
@@matthewbless3335 Was just going to say the same thing. The 2006 Twins were absolutely stacked, and the hottest team in baseball for the entire second half of the season. Santana, Mauer, Morneau, Hunter, Nathan, all in their prime. The first iteration of the "Pirahnas", and Liriano running neck-and-neck with Verlander for ROY before his injury cut his season short. I was at the final game of the season against the White Sox where chants of "Let's go Royals" were frequent, I'm sure confusing the players on the field. Afterwards, almost everyone stayed in their seats to watch the end of the DET/KC game on the big screen, and collectively lost it when KC pulled off the upset. That was the only Twins team where I felt like a WS run was a very real possibility. So, their subsequent first-round collapse was all the more devastating to my fragile 14 year-old psyche.
I grew up watching the Twins starting in the 70's. The first time I remember them going to the playoffs EVER was in 1987, the year they won the World Series. Straight line distance I lived about 10 miles away from the HHH Dome and when they won game 6 you could hear the cheers at my house and again the next day when they won it all. The day after game 7 I reported to Ft McClellan to complete my AIT and began my time in the military. 5 years later I was in Korea and was late for duty because I was watching them win their 2nd World Series.
The team that made me fall in love with baseball! Torii Hunter robbing THE Barry Bonds in the All Star Game was one of the coolest sports moments for 12 year old me. Great video man, brought back a lot of memories from that year
The twins don't have A good side. Take one look at their stadium and you'll see. They've got right, center, and left field. They have two dugouts by foul lines, a backstop, etc. Those are a lot of sides. Don't comment false information, bro 😤
I freaking LOVED this Twins team. Cool story: because my uncle was a long-time Ft. Myers, Florida police officer, he got to work Twins Spring Training games. Whilst doing so, my uncle established friendships with several players and members of Minnesota's staff. He knew enough of the right people that he got enough string pulled for his nephew (11-year old me) to serve as the Twins bat boy for one game during Spring Training! Incredible experience. There's 11-year old me, shooting the isht with Torrii Hunter & Jacque Jones (both super super nice guys) and grabbing buckets of Bazooka bubblegum for A.J. Pierzynski (a truly worldclass prick of a human). My uncle is the freaking best.
Jacque Jones is incredibly nice, when he was in chicago i got to talk to him during their spring training games for a few years. He would talk to my dad during the game from right field sometimes lol.
I love baseball because of the Twins. Growing up watching Hunter, Mauer, Morneau, Nathan, I don’t think I would have loved baseball nearly as much if at all if it wasn’t for the Twins being around for me to see
That Twins, Braves world series game may be the best game I've ever watched. I was a sophomore in high school then and remember staying up way past my normal time to call it a night to watch the end of that game. Life long Reds fan but gave always had a fondness for the Twins. Was actually at the Reds game when Guardado blew out his arm. First game I had been to in almost 20 years and that's what I remember.
Pretty crazy how in 2001, the MLB was going to purchase two teams for $250,000,000 each, considering just a year prior, that's what the Rangers spent on Alex Rodriguez.
And a little under 20 years later the Mets sold for 10 times that price. Even the Royals (consistently ranked as one of the smallest market and least valuable teams) sale in 2019 was for $1 billion
@@mikeybarboza3086 Be assured that $250M payout to each team ownership would have been the total of a series of payments. How many outfits can scrounge up half a BILLION in cash?
I've been a Twins fan my whole life. Wasn't born for '87 and was only 2 at '91. And I never realized how close they were to leaving Minnesota. I would've been 13 during the 2002 season and I remember watching this season, but didn't understand at the time how meaningful the Twins and A's seasons were. Pretty cool!
@@gildedpeahen876 this is simplifying it a bit too much. Did you watch the video? They had major stadium problems and were consistently in the red as an organization. Bud Selig having ties to the Brewers is not the reason they almost folded. It is a contributing factor perhaps but it isn't the reason. Jesus.
Wish you would’ve given a shoutout to Doug Mientkiewicz. One of the best fielding first basemen of his era on that Twins squad, and signed a baseball card for me a few years ago at a minor league game he was managing
As a Met fan, later in his career he had a stop with us. The guy couldn’t hit but man his defense was remarkable, nothing ever got by him! Seemed to make every single play down at 1st
Thank you so much for this video!!! As a life long Twins' fan, it's not very often that I come across something that's randomly positive regarding the Twins team, let alone about the organization. I've been so wrapped up in the playoff losing streak that I actually forgot that they won a playoff series in this century/millennium! Great video!
@@notreallyadog9646 The reported difference in salary negotiations was 800K. The Twins wouldn't shell out another 800K for a hall of famer entering his prime. Smh
We had a lot of players to keep that year, 3 new all Stars to pay, and the Pohlad's were not known for spending money. We were more Moneyball than Billy Bean thought he was. I didn't want to see Ortiz go, but we were deep at the position. Some guy named Justin Morneau came in and won the MVP for us at 1st base. What a terrible choice by us right?
This may be my favorite RUclips video of all time!! I was finishing my first year of college in spring 2002, and this team absolutely captured my heart. Went to so many game that year, waited outside the Dome for autographs, memorized the lineup, knew every pitcher's ERA, had an All-Star game party - basically this magical season kicked off my Twins obsession. Great recap!!
I was 8 years old and this was my first time attending a Twins game. In fact, I was there for the clip of Ortiz hitting that home run against the Red Sox. This team made me fall in love with baseball. Such great memories!
I like how the movie makes the Twins sound like the Evil Empire Yankees, just crushing the puny A's with an iron fist. Between that and ignoring the fact the A's had one of the best pitching rotations of all time, the movie certainly isn't very historically accurate. Still a good story though.
i dont remember the movie treating the Twins like a juggernaut at all. just pointing out how the A's were not doing the appropriate things needed to win like moving runners over
Lol... how is not historically accurate silly? The movie isn't about the A's having shitty players that suck lol. It's about GETTING GREAT RESULTS FROM CHEAP PLAYERS. Which is exactly what they did with their pitching rotation. You missed the ENTIRE point of the movie homie.
@@AdamB34 There are a handful of aspects of the movie that aren't historically accurate. The book was sketchy at times, but the movie was further simplified/dramatized, like the David Justice scene and how the Yankees paid half his salary just to get rid of him (it wasn't the Yankees, it wasn't half his salary, and Billy Beane actively wanted Justice because Justice could still hit).
The 2002 Twins made me a fan of baseball. Until that season I passively cared about the Twins and baseball in general. Also my favorite part of the movie Moneyball is after all the drama challenges that Bean and Oakland went through in the end Minnesota won.
Jermaine Dye did NOT hit a home run off of Eddie Guardado in the bottom of the 9th inning in Game 5 of the 2002 ALDS. That 3-run home run was hit by Mark Ellis. Eric Chavez and David Justice were on base and scored ahead of Ellis.
As a new intern for the Twins, the Correa signing really came out of nowhere yet I welcome that signing lol Also this 2002 Twins was really underrated even though they lost to the Angels, especially since they almost got contracted.
I remember this team and this year so vividly. Great memories. As a kid loving Puckett then to have nothing until this team. Every day Eddie and Brad radke lol... Tori Hunter basically became my favorite player. How many over the wall catches did he make? That outfield was fast. Jones Hunter and Mohr were fun. Infield with Doug mientkiewicz(googled it) at first, canizaro and Guzman (talking about fast he was one of the fastest I've ever seen running the bases in front of me) and koskie at third. Aj at the mound, he was a guy you want on your team but hated when he's not on your team. A young Johan Santana future Cy Young award winner. Man ... This team was fun. Ortiz, young, always injured, but when he was up to bat it felt like it was always going to be a home run.
One of my favorite twins team. I watch every game of this season and was depressed for weeks after the angles defeat. I really thought the twins where going all the way. To this day, my favorite twins team. And I was alive to watch the 91 twins. As great as 91 was, this team saved our twins. Being a catcher myself in my younger days. Aj was my favorite player on this squad. Thank you for this video, I really enjoyed it
Playing in the Metrodome was like playing arena baseball. It was almost a different sport with how fast ground balls reached the outfield. The Twins built their team perfectly for that environment.
It's still not clear how serious it was. It felt very real at the time but there's reason to believe it was all leverage shenanigans ahead of the CBA expiration on August 1st 2002.
It was entirely illegal and was just the other clubs looking to make more money and players over two others. Did the Twins have a rough 1990s? Yes. But it wasn't like they hadn't fairly recently won the World Series in both 1987 and 1991. Many clubs today don't have a more recent World Series win, if any, than those years. Yeah, I'm looking at you, Milwaukee Brewers, home of Bud Selig's team.
Man that was a great team to watch. Being 13 years old at that time it was fun to go to the ballpark and just envision being Torii hunter in CF. I’m still upset we didn’t retain Ortiz but we had a great core for years from that team.
@@kendallevans4079 we started 6-14 too. It looked bad in April but then they caught fire and went on to their first playoff since 1986. Great season even if we did just get the wild card.
Bought a pack of postseason tickets in the nosebleeds back in 2002 with some buddies I worked with at the time. I still have my scorebook from those games, and I was glad to be able to take my dad to one of the games, meaningful because he had tried so hard and failed to get World Series tickets at the Daytons box office in ‘87. I now have a partial season ticket to the Twins, and the fact that this magical 2002 season was one major reason I can share Twins baseball with my own kids in their gorgeous outdoor ballpark. To misquote Brad Pitt as Billy, how could you not be sentimental about this team?
The 2001-2004 Twins were my favorite squad of all-time. Home grown talent with personality, defying contraction with no-payroll. They deserved to go all the way in ‘02.
Two things: we had a motto for the Metrodome-“We like it here” and thinking that Minnesotans would switch fandom to a Wisconsin team is laughable, we’d have gone from indifference at the brewer’s existing to enmity.
I was 7 years old watching this Twins team hell and using them in MLB Slugfest 2003. This is my all-time favorite Twins squad sad they never made/won the series that year
I love how Moneyball was like hey, let's talk up real big these 3 guys we lost in Giambi, Damon, and Isringhausen but let's not mention at all the amazing 3 ace pitchers and all star shortstop we still have. 😄
I was and still am an Angels fan but I really liked that 2002 Minnesota Twins squad. Such a young team I thought they would've been competing for the World Series for years to come.
I remember 2002 because My local team won the World Series I remember being at Anaheim Stadium for game 6 and 7 The comeback and game 6 and then Darin Erstad catching that final out. I have never seen that stadium go that crazy before or since beautiful moments. I miss that team dearly 02 Angeles we're awesome! One of the more underrated teams that seem to have been lost to history and only pop up when people are talking about World Series winners
0:04 is why ill never trust the k zone overlay completely. It was high and probs a ball but why is the top of the zone at his belt?? Thats not the zone
The A's stunk on defense, in part, because they couldn't afford to pay for good defense. Obviously you'd like to have 9 great hitters, all with great gloves, but everybody wants those players and the A's couldn't afford to pay what it would cost. They determined that defense was an overvalued area, and that the difference between a good/great defensive player and a mediocre/poor defensive player was minimal and not worth what they would have to pay. If you had to choose between a poor hitter with a great glove and a good hitter with a poor glove, the better hitter will net you more wins over the course of the season.
@@brianschwartz7937 Untrue. Analytics will literally tell you that a team that prioritizes defense at key positions on the field can help you win more than a premium hitter at that position. The Cleveland Indians are a prime example of what happens when you think you can outslug a team in October. In addition to having mediocre pitching The Indians also had bad defense at key positions. The A’s tried to get away with their fatal flaw being defense & it cost them.
Im a Twins fan but they deserved the pain we've gotten because they allowed Ortiz to go for nothing. Add that to the fact that the owners are ok with mediocre Front Office personnel and subpar coaching staffs as long as they are yes men
The problem with Moneyball, at least as it's presented usually, is that it's about a poor team maximizing revenue to build a team to make the playoffs, in an ever expanding playoff format. Once one team figures out how to do Moneyball everyone will, and then you are back to teams with big payrolls, but ironically, the ever expanding playoffs create an equalizing factor. Baseball is a game were even the best team ever only won 76.3% percent of their games. You get several teams who are likely are .600 clubs in a series of short elimination series even the best Moneyball team, or the biggest payroll juggernaut can get eliminated. The only way to really assure victory would be to sign the best 40 players in the game, some to play, others just to keep off other teams. Even then you can lose in a best of 7 (let alone a best of 5).
@@yankees29 I didn't know that. I remembering him leading the majors in average for half a season-hitting near .400. And he could do the splits with ease so wild throws in the dirt to first were still an out.
Damn, this brings back memories. A lot of names I forgot: Michael Cuddyer, Eddie Guardado, Francisco Rodriguez, and a few more. Great thing about baseball is it’s the sport with the most parody. Teams are constantly up and down.
As a lifetime Twins this was my favorite Twins team to watch. When I was a kid I wanted to play center field and Torii Hunter was my favorite player. They used to always get crushed against Jeter and Yankees but this was a great team to watch. Also Bud Selig can go to hell.
@@andimallouttabubblegum5218 Pretty sure I remember a deafening noise... it was over 120 decibals in that old Metrodome, I remember it showing on a graphic during intense moments. You could scream as loud as possible, but couldn't hear yourself in the slightest. Not exactly "marriage proposal" friendly... plus I would have had to get down on one knee... prob would have gotten sticky ish stained on it. 😉😆😂
One of the driving factors behind the twins playoff losing streak is the Yankees. I feel they play the yanks every postseason causing us to lose every year
The ‘02 Twins had an outstanding bullpen with a lot of underrated guys: Eddie Guardado, Tony Flore, J.C. Romero, LaTroy Hawkins, Michael Jackson Those 5 guys combined, they had an ERA of 2.68, and this was still during the steroid era.
Finally a video from baseball youtube that doesnt just shit on the Twins. Love the amount of research and specifics you got into. These early 2000's twins teams are still a major childhood memory of mine with the likes of Hunter, Jones, Mauer, Stewart, Ford, Santana, Radke, Bonser, Nathan, Cuddyer, Morneau and so many more. Suck it Brad Pitt
The Angels team that beat the Twins in 2002 were arguably a moneyball team themselves. The heart of their lineup was homegrown and the infield featured castoffs like David Eckstein, Scott Spiezio and Benji Gil. Brendan Donnelly was a scab during the 94 strike. Adam Kennedy was a prize they got for dumping Jim Edmonds, and he hit .300 for the season and hit 3 homers in game 5 of the ALCS. In my mind, they were among the few moneyball team to actually win a world series after 9/11. The Royals and 2003 Marlins might also qualify.
That 2002 Angels and the 2015 Royals cannot be considered moneyball. A team with a new stadium or new remodeled stadium CANNOT be considered moneyball. A team can only be considered moneyball if they have the following 4 = a low payroll, old stadium, cannot get a new stadium approved, and are looking to relocate. But yes, the 2003 Marlins are moneyball to win it all.
@@hmhm856 Stadium and payroll doesn't really have anything to do with moneyball. the philosophy is ultimately about player valuation. Beane gauged a player's more underlying value by ignoring surface stats and focusing more on sabremetrics. This approach would allow a savvy GM to assemble affordable players who were underrated by traditional scouting methods. But hoarding cheap players isn't the point of moneyball. The 2002 Angels were a rebuilding project. Disney dumped players like Edmonds and Vaughn to save money and the cheap players who replaced the fit the moneyball prototype. The A's had 3 aces and Miguel Tejada. Not many could name an 2002 Angels pitcher without googling.
Years later in 2006 The Minnesota Twins would have the MVP Justin Morneau, Cy Young champion Johan Santana and Batting champion Joe Mauer. First time one team had all three awards.. The Twins would go to the playoffs with that roster and never win a playoff game thanks to the Yankees. Twins still have yet to win a playoff game since 2002 @ 0-18 since then.
“AJ is the type of guy that when ya don't know him, ya hate him. When you do know him, you hate him a little less.” -Ozzie Guillen, Chicago White Sox Manager I remember hearing this and it cracked me up so hard.
This was one of my favorite (Non-WS Winning) Twins teams. Scrappy, junkyard dog types that feared no one. I wished that they had kept Papi. Them not the BoSox would have been able to beat the mighty Yanks in 2004. This team was so fun to watch.
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What wasn’t mentioned in this is the Twins had an even smaller payroll then the A’s. Not only did they beat out the moneyball team on the field, but also in the front office.
Out-moneyball the moneyball
@@jbj7599 The number is really close, but never the less Twins payroll was still smaller. A’s at $41,000,000 and the Twins were at $40,225,000. Growing up watching the Twins it was the one part about Moneyball that annoyed me the most. Not to mention they show the Twins beating them in the movie!
by 1 million 💀 ok?
@@eatmynuggiez8911 haha hey 2 is still greater then 1! If you’re going to make a movie about “the moneyball way” they could’ve at least included the team that was the best at it.
@@eatmynuggiez8911 bro 1 million is like 7 players on these teams
As a Minnesotan, it's absolutely insane that Bud Selig thought a Twins-less MLB would mean Minnesota would cheer on the Brewers. Had he been so far removed from his time in Wisconsin as to forget how much we fucking hate the Packers here? And yet he thought killing our time would lead to a boon for the Mariners? Absolute insanity. You'd legitimately have better luck contracting the Steelers and telling them to instead cheer for the Eagles.
Remember, it would have been our second team in 9 years we would have lost
Too bad You Tube allows foul.language
I’m a Twins fan, and am not a huge Packers guy, but I like the Brewers. Cool name, cool stadium, the fans have been nice when I was in Milwaukee for a two games.
There’s a lot of overlap between twins fans/packers fans in western Wisconsin. Many Wisconsin folk cheer for the Minnesota Wild, so, no, I don’t think it’s that crazy that Minnesota fans would cheer for the Brewers
@@christianf5131certainly not enough for Bud Selig's idea to really seem worthwhile
As a Minnesota kid who was too young to remember the World Series teams and had to watch year after year of bad teams in the 90s, this season was so magical. Sad that this was as good as it ever got, but man, what a year. I made so many great memories at the Dome in 2002. I had never seen a Twins game with any energy in the crowd and it was intoxicating. I was also extremely pissed that they let David Ortiz go in the off-season, and well, that one still stings.
Love this comment
Crazy thing is that I don't think this is the best Twins team I've ever seen in my life (was born in 93, for reference). This team was good. Later iterations were even better, just ran into some of the worst postseason luck I've ever seen
@@matthewbless3335 Was just going to say the same thing. The 2006 Twins were absolutely stacked, and the hottest team in baseball for the entire second half of the season. Santana, Mauer, Morneau, Hunter, Nathan, all in their prime. The first iteration of the "Pirahnas", and Liriano running neck-and-neck with Verlander for ROY before his injury cut his season short.
I was at the final game of the season against the White Sox where chants of "Let's go Royals" were frequent, I'm sure confusing the players on the field. Afterwards, almost everyone stayed in their seats to watch the end of the DET/KC game on the big screen, and collectively lost it when KC pulled off the upset.
That was the only Twins team where I felt like a WS run was a very real possibility. So, their subsequent first-round collapse was all the more devastating to my fragile 14 year-old psyche.
Amen to that. $7 lower level outfield GA, dollar dog Tuesdays. Great memories!
I grew up watching the Twins starting in the 70's. The first time I remember them going to the playoffs EVER was in 1987, the year they won the World Series. Straight line distance I lived about 10 miles away from the HHH Dome and when they won game 6 you could hear the cheers at my house and again the next day when they won it all. The day after game 7 I reported to Ft McClellan to complete my AIT and began my time in the military. 5 years later I was in Korea and was late for duty because I was watching them win their 2nd World Series.
The team that made me fall in love with baseball! Torii Hunter robbing THE Barry Bonds in the All Star Game was one of the coolest sports moments for 12 year old me. Great video man, brought back a lot of memories from that year
Thank you for actually showing a good side to the Twins.
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The twins don't have A good side. Take one look at their stadium and you'll see. They've got right, center, and left field. They have two dugouts by foul lines, a backstop, etc. Those are a lot of sides. Don't comment false information, bro 😤
@@hihunter7 WTF???
@@zackaryhaselius2226 A joke haha
@@hihunter7 yeah, i still didnt get it though.
I freaking LOVED this Twins team. Cool story: because my uncle was a long-time Ft. Myers, Florida police officer, he got to work Twins Spring Training games. Whilst doing so, my uncle established friendships with several players and members of Minnesota's staff. He knew enough of the right people that he got enough string pulled for his nephew (11-year old me) to serve as the Twins bat boy for one game during Spring Training! Incredible experience. There's 11-year old me, shooting the isht with Torrii Hunter & Jacque Jones (both super super nice guys) and grabbing buckets of Bazooka bubblegum for A.J. Pierzynski (a truly worldclass prick of a human). My uncle is the freaking best.
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Jacque Jones is incredibly nice, when he was in chicago i got to talk to him during their spring training games for a few years. He would talk to my dad during the game from right field sometimes lol.
I like how when I saw this video I remember hearing how AJ was such a douche and here’s another confirmation lol
What did Pierzynski do?
@@spittle8 he’s just been known his whole career as a bad guy in baseball I loved him but others hated
I love baseball because of the Twins. Growing up watching Hunter, Mauer, Morneau, Nathan, I don’t think I would have loved baseball nearly as much if at all if it wasn’t for the Twins being around for me to see
As a white Sox fan those goddamn twins man
Forget the White Sox guy... as a Tigers fan, especially back then... I saw Screw You.
Torii Hunter is a really cool guy
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That Twins, Braves world series game may be the best game I've ever watched. I was a sophomore in high school then and remember staying up way past my normal time to call it a night to watch the end of that game. Life long Reds fan but gave always had a fondness for the Twins. Was actually at the Reds game when Guardado blew out his arm. First game I had been to in almost 20 years and that's what I remember.
Which game are you talking about 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6 or 7
@@raptorspostgametalk probably the one shown in the video
As a lifelong Twins fan with a soft spot for the Reds, here's to a life of eternal optimism.
Also lifelong Reds fan here, and when he mentioned Eric Milton, I got sick.
"AND WE'LL SEE YA TOMORROW NIGHT!" .. that one..
Pretty crazy how in 2001, the MLB was going to purchase two teams for $250,000,000 each, considering just a year prior, that's what the Rangers spent on Alex Rodriguez.
Yea but Arod's contract was over what 10 years not 1 payment
@@mikeybarboza3086 Exactly, inflation goes up so much in 10 years so getting it up front and spendable is way different
And a little under 20 years later the Mets sold for 10 times that price.
Even the Royals (consistently ranked as one of the smallest market and least valuable teams) sale in 2019 was for $1 billion
@@mikeybarboza3086 Be assured that $250M payout to each team ownership would have been the total of a series of payments. How many outfits can scrounge up half a BILLION in cash?
I've been a Twins fan my whole life. Wasn't born for '87 and was only 2 at '91. And I never realized how close they were to leaving Minnesota. I would've been 13 during the 2002 season and I remember watching this season, but didn't understand at the time how meaningful the Twins and A's seasons were. Pretty cool!
I know! Breaks my heart to think they wanted to shut the twinkies down bc the commissioner had a financial interest in the brewers! Shady!
@@gildedpeahen876 this is simplifying it a bit too much. Did you watch the video? They had major stadium problems and were consistently in the red as an organization. Bud Selig having ties to the Brewers is not the reason they almost folded. It is a contributing factor perhaps but it isn't the reason. Jesus.
@@AceManning18 I don’t think Jesus has to be brought into it 😂
Wish you would’ve given a shoutout to Doug Mientkiewicz. One of the best fielding first basemen of his era on that Twins squad, and signed a baseball card for me a few years ago at a minor league game he was managing
As a Met fan, later in his career he had a stop with us. The guy couldn’t hit but man his defense was remarkable, nothing ever got by him! Seemed to make every single play down at 1st
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I remember him as being a bright guy, and funny as hell. Then he left our Mets and talked about how much he hated it here. Oh well.
Thank you so much for this video!!! As a life long Twins' fan, it's not very often that I come across something that's randomly positive regarding the Twins team, let alone about the organization. I've been so wrapped up in the playoff losing streak that I actually forgot that they won a playoff series in this century/millennium! Great video!
As a lifelong Twins fan who has had my heart crushed into powder for 20 straight years, this was reminder of when shit wasn't awful. Thank you.
As bad as the 2010s were for the twins, they were nowhere near as bad as 1992-2000. The team won a WS and immediately went to horse shit
Forgotten in that ALCS is that Ortiz was 5 for 16, beginning his playoff prowess....
And the Twins rewarded Ortiz by cutting him.
@@notreallyadog9646 thank god they did haha
@@notreallyadog9646 The reported difference in salary negotiations was 800K. The Twins wouldn't shell out another 800K for a hall of famer entering his prime. Smh
@@gabe1146 yeah, because he was obviously a hall of famer at that point. Smh we got a couch GM here...
We had a lot of players to keep that year, 3 new all Stars to pay, and the Pohlad's were not known for spending money. We were more Moneyball than Billy Bean thought he was. I didn't want to see Ortiz go, but we were deep at the position. Some guy named Justin Morneau came in and won the MVP for us at 1st base. What a terrible choice by us right?
Man… this brings back so much memories. I was into the Mariners and Twins heavy from 1999-2004
This may be my favorite RUclips video of all time!! I was finishing my first year of college in spring 2002, and this team absolutely captured my heart. Went to so many game that year, waited outside the Dome for autographs, memorized the lineup, knew every pitcher's ERA, had an All-Star game party - basically this magical season kicked off my Twins obsession. Great recap!!
I use to love the dome and those old grey pinstripes jersey and anyone who was there remembers what happened when you would leave the dome
Almost die from the isolated tornado 🤣. When I was in the single digits of age I couldn’t even open the damn revolving doors.
Those grey pinstripe jerseys along with the DQ jerseys are by far the best.
I saw numerous old timers have their pants dropped leaving the dome!
I was 8 years old and this was my first time attending a Twins game. In fact, I was there for the clip of Ortiz hitting that home run against the Red Sox. This team made me fall in love with baseball. Such great memories!
I like how the movie makes the Twins sound like the Evil Empire Yankees, just crushing the puny A's with an iron fist. Between that and ignoring the fact the A's had one of the best pitching rotations of all time, the movie certainly isn't very historically accurate. Still a good story though.
i dont remember the movie treating the Twins like a juggernaut at all. just pointing out how the A's were not doing the appropriate things needed to win like moving runners over
Twins were very lucky to win that series but they did. Pretty sure the Twins were the underdogs.
Yeah that movie is annoying.
Lol... how is not historically accurate silly? The movie isn't about the A's having shitty players that suck lol. It's about GETTING GREAT RESULTS FROM CHEAP PLAYERS. Which is exactly what they did with their pitching rotation.
You missed the ENTIRE point of the movie homie.
@@AdamB34 There are a handful of aspects of the movie that aren't historically accurate. The book was sketchy at times, but the movie was further simplified/dramatized, like the David Justice scene and how the Yankees paid half his salary just to get rid of him (it wasn't the Yankees, it wasn't half his salary, and Billy Beane actively wanted Justice because Justice could still hit).
The 2002 Twins made me a fan of baseball. Until that season I passively cared about the Twins and baseball in general. Also my favorite part of the movie Moneyball is after all the drama challenges that Bean and Oakland went through in the end Minnesota won.
Just Like How Minnesota Won In Real Life In 2002
Thanks for making this. Really makes me nostalgic for the early 2000s Twins. Loved those teams.
At least they got a shoutout at the end of the Moneyball movie
Jermaine Dye did NOT hit a home run off of Eddie Guardado in the bottom of the 9th inning in Game 5 of the 2002 ALDS. That 3-run home run was hit by Mark Ellis. Eric Chavez and David Justice were on base and scored ahead of Ellis.
I threw some text on screen to correct that
As a new intern for the Twins, the Correa signing really came out of nowhere yet I welcome that signing lol
Also this 2002 Twins was really underrated even though they lost to the Angels, especially since they almost got contracted.
That year was their last time they won a playoff game.
@@therealjaystone2344 That was in 2004 actually because they won game 1 of that ALDS against the Yankees.
you're an intern... why would they keep you informed?
@@therealjaystone2344 nah they've won playoff games since then. that's the last time they won a series
@@jarretc110 i'm not sure he was implying that he should have been lol
I would love a video on the Expos/Twins contraction. Something I never knew existed until a few years ago
Search it there are à few videos out there on youtube
A’s fans are in eternal pain and you posted this… you scoundrel
Probably not as bad as Atlanta from 1991. LOL
I remember this team and this year so vividly. Great memories. As a kid loving Puckett then to have nothing until this team. Every day Eddie and Brad radke lol... Tori Hunter basically became my favorite player. How many over the wall catches did he make? That outfield was fast. Jones Hunter and Mohr were fun. Infield with Doug mientkiewicz(googled it) at first, canizaro and Guzman (talking about fast he was one of the fastest I've ever seen running the bases in front of me) and koskie at third. Aj at the mound, he was a guy you want on your team but hated when he's not on your team. A young Johan Santana future Cy Young award winner. Man ... This team was fun. Ortiz, young, always injured, but when he was up to bat it felt like it was always going to be a home run.
One of my favorite twins team. I watch every game of this season and was depressed for weeks after the angles defeat. I really thought the twins where going all the way. To this day, my favorite twins team. And I was alive to watch the 91 twins. As great as 91 was, this team saved our twins. Being a catcher myself in my younger days. Aj was my favorite player on this squad. Thank you for this video, I really enjoyed it
How does Guzman not get a mention. Hit more triples than anyone i had ever watched. Loved this era Twins
This is the team of my childhood growing up in Minnesota & my mom taking me to the metrodome to watch a few times a year
Days when jolly olive posts >>>>>
Lifelong Twins fan here. Thank you!!!
Playing in the Metrodome was like playing arena baseball. It was almost a different sport with how fast ground balls reached the outfield. The Twins built their team perfectly for that environment.
Very true. You needed speedy and very rangy outfielders to counter this issue, and the twins had constructed their roster perfectly for that
That 2002 contraction plan could be a video of its own someday. That’s still insane to me that the owners literally voted two teams off the island
Honestly the whole thing was a big scam ran by Selig.
And vote for Twins was 28-2 is high % of owners voting against them. Hard to imagine that many voted a franchise out
@@CC-rb1yf Selig was gonna pay them off
It's still not clear how serious it was. It felt very real at the time but there's reason to believe it was all leverage shenanigans ahead of the CBA expiration on August 1st 2002.
It was entirely illegal and was just the other clubs looking to make more money and players over two others. Did the Twins have a rough 1990s? Yes. But it wasn't like they hadn't fairly recently won the World Series in both 1987 and 1991. Many clubs today don't have a more recent World Series win, if any, than those years. Yeah, I'm looking at you, Milwaukee Brewers, home of Bud Selig's team.
There isn't 2 N's in Pierzynski. You're killing me Smalls!
Finally some solid twins content
Man that was a great team to watch. Being 13 years old at that time it was fun to go to the ballpark and just envision being Torii hunter in CF. I’m still upset we didn’t retain Ortiz but we had a great core for years from that team.
I remember Adam Kennedy hitting 3 homers to knock the Twins out of the 2002 playoffs with my Angels going on to their only World Series.
Me too....I went to one Minn/Angels pay-off game. "Thunder sticks" were the trend and it was LOUD! Loved it!...We peaked at the right time..!
@@kendallevans4079 we started 6-14 too. It looked bad in April but then they caught fire and went on to their first playoff since 1986. Great season even if we did just get the wild card.
And he almost got a 4th home run it went off the mini monster in right field. AK
@@toLIVEinDIEnLA I remember that he failed to lay down a bunt and then with 2 strikes he crushed it. Best failed bunt ever.
Bought a pack of postseason tickets in the nosebleeds back in 2002 with some buddies I worked with at the time. I still have my scorebook from those games, and I was glad to be able to take my dad to one of the games, meaningful because he had tried so hard and failed to get World Series tickets at the Daytons box office in ‘87.
I now have a partial season ticket to the Twins, and the fact that this magical 2002 season was one major reason I can share Twins baseball with my own kids in their gorgeous outdoor ballpark. To misquote Brad Pitt as Billy, how could you not be sentimental about this team?
"One-point-zero-zero-seven OPS"...
Earns achievement for the first time he's ever spoken an OPS rating aloud.
The 2001-2004 Twins were my favorite squad of all-time. Home grown talent with personality, defying contraction with no-payroll. They deserved to go all the way in ‘02.
torii hunter is one of my childhood heroes and i treasure my nights spent at the metrodome during my childhood
It's nuts looking back to see how star-loaded the twins were... even through those years they couldn't get to the ws.
Two things: we had a motto for the Metrodome-“We like it here” and thinking that Minnesotans would switch fandom to a Wisconsin team is laughable, we’d have gone from indifference at the brewer’s existing to enmity.
Bro that Roman ad comes out of NOWHERE!
I watched almost every game that season it was magical
I was 7 years old watching this Twins team hell and using them in MLB Slugfest 2003. This is my all-time favorite Twins squad sad they never made/won the series that year
Great video. Thank you for your perspective!
i miss these twins
Maybe someday the Twins will win a title again. Someday...
I love how Moneyball was like hey, let's talk up real big these 3 guys we lost in Giambi, Damon, and Isringhausen but let's not mention at all the amazing 3 ace pitchers and all star shortstop we still have. 😄
I was and still am an Angels fan but I really liked that 2002 Minnesota Twins squad. Such a young team I thought they would've been competing for the World Series for years to come.
I remember 2002 because My local team won the World Series I remember being at Anaheim Stadium for game 6 and 7 The comeback and game 6 and then Darin Erstad catching that final out. I have never seen that stadium go that crazy before or since beautiful moments. I miss that team dearly 02 Angeles we're awesome! One of the more underrated teams that seem to have been lost to history and only pop up when people are talking about World Series winners
Damn these names bring me back to early morning sportscenter in my pajamas over a bowl of cereal. Those were the days
0:04 is why ill never trust the k zone overlay completely. It was high and probs a ball but why is the top of the zone at his belt?? Thats not the zone
2002-2010 had a lot of good moments as a Twins fan, but those embarrassing October failures (particularly 2006) really taint that whole era.
2002 was fun...I felt they had just started not topped out!
Thanks for me reliving that time 😭
The Oakland A’s are a prime example of people falling in love with analytics over common sense. The A’s stunk on defense & it always cost them.
The A's stunk on defense, in part, because they couldn't afford to pay for good defense. Obviously you'd like to have 9 great hitters, all with great gloves, but everybody wants those players and the A's couldn't afford to pay what it would cost. They determined that defense was an overvalued area, and that the difference between a good/great defensive player and a mediocre/poor defensive player was minimal and not worth what they would have to pay. If you had to choose between a poor hitter with a great glove and a good hitter with a poor glove, the better hitter will net you more wins over the course of the season.
@@brianschwartz7937 Untrue. Analytics will literally tell you that a team that prioritizes defense at key positions on the field can help you win more than a premium hitter at that position. The Cleveland Indians are a prime example of what happens when you think you can outslug a team in October. In addition to having mediocre pitching The Indians also had bad defense at key positions. The A’s tried to get away with their fatal flaw being defense & it cost them.
Really great video! Keep it up!
Im a Twins fan but they deserved the pain we've gotten because they allowed Ortiz to go for nothing. Add that to the fact that the owners are ok with mediocre Front Office personnel and subpar coaching staffs as long as they are yes men
I love these videos but I can’t lie I don’t care too much for Jolly himself maybe you’ll grow on me tho with the JM stuff
Babe wake up, new Jolliver video
Jolly my dude, thanks for this!
The problem with Moneyball, at least as it's presented usually, is that it's about a poor team maximizing revenue to build a team to make the playoffs, in an ever expanding playoff format. Once one team figures out how to do Moneyball everyone will, and then you are back to teams with big payrolls, but ironically, the ever expanding playoffs create an equalizing factor. Baseball is a game were even the best team ever only won 76.3% percent of their games. You get several teams who are likely are .600 clubs in a series of short elimination series even the best Moneyball team, or the biggest payroll juggernaut can get eliminated. The only way to really assure victory would be to sign the best 40 players in the game, some to play, others just to keep off other teams. Even then you can lose in a best of 7 (let alone a best of 5).
No mention of Mientkiewicz? That name gets everybody 😂
Didnt even want to try, my comment section wouldve had a field day
Min Kay vich.
Red Sox fan here. So ya we learned in 04
lol
You guys know he was best friends with A-rod in high school. They both played on the football team. A-rod was the QB and Dougie was his wide receiver.
@@yankees29 I didn't know that. I remembering him leading the majors in average for half a season-hitting near .400. And he could do the splits with ease so wild throws in the dirt to first were still an out.
I remembered this. I was in my teens. This moment save our Minnesota Twins !!!!
Never knew about this team. So many familiar names though no wonder they did well.
My most favorite group of ball players ever. So much fun every day with these guys.
Damn, this brings back memories. A lot of names I forgot: Michael Cuddyer, Eddie Guardado, Francisco Rodriguez, and a few more. Great thing about baseball is it’s the sport with the most parody. Teams are constantly up and down.
Brad Radke is my favorite player of all time. The 2002 fall is one of the many reasons why 😊
He never gets enough credit for how good and reliable he was. One of the all time great Twins.
As a lifetime Twins this was my favorite Twins team to watch. When I was a kid I wanted to play center field and Torii Hunter was my favorite player. They used to always get crushed against Jeter and Yankees but this was a great team to watch. Also Bud Selig can go to hell.
I was at game 3 of the ALCS against the Angels at the Metrodome. I was 14, and my gf's parents took us.
You should have proposed right then and there.
@@andimallouttabubblegum5218 Pretty sure I remember a deafening noise... it was over 120 decibals in that old Metrodome, I remember it showing on a graphic during intense moments. You could scream as loud as possible, but couldn't hear yourself in the slightest.
Not exactly "marriage proposal" friendly... plus I would have had to get down on one knee... prob would have gotten sticky ish stained on it. 😉😆😂
@@seanwallace89
I'll never forget those blue seats.
Agreed 100% my all-time favorite Twins team!
That Twins win against the Angels was my first baseball game
I love the Brewers and Tigers l, who are rivals with Minnesota, but I loved watching those teams. I love a good underdog story.
After the final game concluded, the camera showed a Oakland fan hunched down in his seat, holding a sign that said "We still believe in you".
I’m a twins fan, we got a video :)
Funny how the Twins had Aj and the Athletics had Dye on their teams 3 years later both would be on the White Sox team in 2005 to win a world series
Johan Santana was an absolute unit
“Auto Tracking “ Also Rivas looks like he tore an ACL at the end there. 😂
Marlins made moneyball idea into a reality and won a few years after with a 47 mill payroll.
Was at the the first two playoff games that year against the moneyball as. What a special fucking year. Miss that excitement
Getting Johan Santana on a Rule 5 pickup… just wild to think about.
What a good video!
One of the driving factors behind the twins playoff losing streak is the Yankees. I feel they play the yanks every postseason causing us to lose every year
Eddie Guardado is the GOAT
He was so underrated.
The ‘02 Twins had an outstanding bullpen with a lot of underrated guys: Eddie Guardado, Tony Flore, J.C. Romero, LaTroy Hawkins, Michael Jackson
Those 5 guys combined, they had an ERA of 2.68, and this was still during the steroid era.
Finally a video from baseball youtube that doesnt just shit on the Twins. Love the amount of research and specifics you got into. These early 2000's twins teams are still a major childhood memory of mine with the likes of Hunter, Jones, Mauer, Stewart, Ford, Santana, Radke, Bonser, Nathan, Cuddyer, Morneau and so many more. Suck it Brad Pitt
The Angels team that beat the Twins in 2002 were arguably a moneyball team themselves. The heart of their lineup was homegrown and the infield featured castoffs like David Eckstein, Scott Spiezio and Benji Gil. Brendan Donnelly was a scab during the 94 strike. Adam Kennedy was a prize they got for dumping Jim Edmonds, and he hit .300 for the season and hit 3 homers in game 5 of the ALCS.
In my mind, they were among the few moneyball team to actually win a world series after 9/11. The Royals and 2003 Marlins might also qualify.
That 2002 Angels and the 2015 Royals cannot be considered moneyball. A team with a new stadium or new remodeled stadium CANNOT be considered moneyball.
A team can only be considered moneyball if they have the following 4 = a low payroll, old stadium, cannot get a new stadium approved, and are looking to relocate.
But yes, the 2003 Marlins are moneyball to win it all.
@@hmhm856 Stadium and payroll doesn't really have anything to do with moneyball. the philosophy is ultimately about player valuation. Beane gauged a player's more underlying value by ignoring surface stats and focusing more on sabremetrics.
This approach would allow a savvy GM to assemble affordable players who were underrated by traditional scouting methods. But hoarding cheap players isn't the point of moneyball.
The 2002 Angels were a rebuilding project. Disney dumped players like Edmonds and Vaughn to save money and the cheap players who replaced the fit the moneyball prototype. The A's had 3 aces and Miguel Tejada. Not many could name an 2002 Angels pitcher without googling.
What’s crazy is they traded a hitting machine and possibly a new batting average record person
Years later in 2006 The Minnesota Twins would have the MVP Justin Morneau, Cy Young champion Johan Santana and Batting champion Joe Mauer. First time one team had all three awards.. The Twins would go to the playoffs with that roster and never win a playoff game thanks to the Yankees. Twins still have yet to win a playoff game since 2002 @ 0-18 since then.
No matter how many times I see David Ortiz in a Twins jersey, it shocks my system every time.
That was so crazy, that ANOTHER Small market/underdog team were the ones that knocked them out!
I miss early 2000s baseball. The m hats were legendary
We love our twins in Minnesota! Crazy to believe that barely a decade after 2 World Series wins they wanted to shut us down for…ahem…personal reasons.
those early-mid 2000s Twins teams were really good but come playoff time they would always fall short.
Billy Koch and Miguel Tejada did in the A's that year.
Great video
What a video sir
You should make a video about the Angels team that killed the twins that year, then denied Bonds a ring
“AJ is the type of guy that when ya don't know him, ya hate him. When you do know him, you hate him a little less.” -Ozzie Guillen, Chicago White Sox Manager
I remember hearing this and it cracked me up so hard.
Kielty getting his ginger self in the celebration pics 😆
This was one of my favorite (Non-WS Winning) Twins teams. Scrappy, junkyard dog types that feared no one. I wished that they had kept Papi. Them not the BoSox would have been able to beat the mighty Yanks in 2004. This team was so fun to watch.
Agree 100 percent! Every single day they were fun to watch. Best defensive team I have ever seen!