The Children of God Cult
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I didn't know I could gag 2 seconds into a short.
You must be new here
At "runaway children"?
So you know pastor Dick.y too
I see
Hey, I had just been swimming.
If you can gag that early, you better work on your gag reflex before joining a cult
That woman currently leading is one of the most evil people alive. Children of God was truly despicable.
Her, and Larry Clinton...
No we aren’t.
@@Codeman22no bud the cult. Not just Christian’s.
@@horneytoaster4773 I’m a part of the cult.
@@Codeman22You just posted on another thread that you don't think a child abuser should've been given any kind of prison sentence at all. You're not doing your cult's public image any favors here.
My mother used to teach in high school in southern Utah and would get what was know as “lost boys”. It was so heartbreaking. These would be the boys born in the fundamentals community who were often seen as “ competition” to the male leaders of the group and would be kicked out at 15~17 they had no education or social skills to speak up. It was so sad. This reminds me a lot of them and what their sisters went through
Yeah, but whatabout those drag queens! /s
Bruh what in the lion society is that bs??
*to speak of
Thank you for sharing.
@maddiemcnugget1076 Mormons they believe in polygamy multiple wives is holy so naturally there isn't enough woman arranged marriages are frequent most of them are in the US are in Utah of course there's better sects of them and different split offs but it's very patriarchal
Edit:the largest branch doesn't practice it anymore. Good for them
@@kellynolen498to be fair majority of Mormons don’t practice polygamy, in fact the church’s governing body frowns upon polygamy. That doesn’t mean it doesn’t happen still, there are several Mormon offshoots that still practice it and mostly exist outside the states, primarily Mexico
In 2023, child marriage is still legal in 42 states. In the last few years alone, children as young at 10 got married off to adults for "religious reasons." It's time to start holding this sick system accountable.
Agreed. Child marriage should have been outlawed decades ago
Why doesn't your comment have more likes?! Child marriage needs to end!
Honestly, call your state representative about it. This should be so uncontroversial that voting against change would be career jeopardizing. Just gotta get somebody to introduce the motion to your state's legislative body... and if it fails, name & shame every rep who voted against it.
If nothing else, America deserves to know who among us stands FOR child marriage.
That's because we care more about religion than children.
Same thing in Azerbaijan. There was a 12y/o that ran away from her parents and married a 32 y/o guy. Its so common, even the signs/billboards in the underground metro says that its not ok.
I have read a book written by a woman who grew up in that vile cult. It was disgusting what the children of the cult were put through. She eventually left the cult when her child was born because she didn't want to bring him up in the cult. The cult still exists today, but they've changed their name and deny all the charges made by former members.
I want to know more but at the same time I don't
@@CruelRavieryou don't. Just avoid the information, or it will cost you sleep.
@@soffren I like sleep. But I also have a nasty case of morbid curiosity
@@CruelRavierwhat do you wish to know?
Go take a look at the Ladbible interview with Hope Bastine, who was born into this cult, escaped it and, after years of fighting for justice for the abuse she endured, managed to successfully prosecute Derek Lincoln, one of it's leading members. He got 11 1/2 years. Hope is now a succesful psychologist/therapist helping people who've suffered trauma and abuse.
Only sad part is that he only got 11 1/2 years
how the hell did he only get shy of twelve years
@@maddiemcnugget1076yeah, he didn’t deserve any time.
@@Codeman22he should've gotten life.
@@Codeman22hoping you misread and thought it was the first guy being put in prison when it was actually the derek lincoln guy
They are not gone. They are known today as "The Family International".
And Jehovah's Witnesses
@@GameBreaker115that is an entirely different thing.
@@GameBreaker115Jehovah Witnesses are much better people. They actually pool money to charity and are very heavily against stuff like sexual abuse and child r*pe.
@@GameBreaker115Lies. It’s different than Jehovahs Witness.
@@soffren or some Jehovah's Witness cults are different. But my buddy was forced to live off the grid at this "camp" for his whole childhood. They would occasionally collect all the kids and bring them to what the kids just called "the big house" cuz it was bigger than the rest. If the parents refused to give up their children they were nice about it but also withheld food until they would give them up. This camp is still out there somewhere but he doesn't know where and has no interest in finding it
Rose McGowan said she was raised up in The children of God. Everyone was your parents. Said when you turn 16, they tell you who your biological parents are.
Tbh that just sounds like the air nomads in avatar the last airbender. In the air nomads, nobody really had a traditional family structure and everyone’s raised by the village.
But I can see how this could be terrible in the wrong hands which is clearly going on here. Some parents are VERY creepy with their kids. Like some dads look at their daughters and moms on their sons in a “different than parental love” view point.
Not a bad concept tbf
It's similar to how indiginous and tribal cultures act. Except that the group keeps care of their own and everyone knows who is related to whom. Trying to obscure it completely seems to be part of the way they act to brainwash the kids by having no two people to go to. It also means that adults can approach kids under the pretext of being their parents or family, big red alert for pedophilia.
@@maddiemcnugget1076The difference with them is that they only took in male orphans at the temple
@@zachrabaznaz7687are you joking?
Also known as The Family, they're still out there, around the world, with this disgusting insanity. The poor kids brought into that sh*t 💔
They no longer follow the sexual olicuew that were created in the early days.
I think you mean that, "increasing member numbers was often used as an excuse for child rape".
Either way does not work. By hard definition.
Child UNDER 12....
Females aren't supposed to have any say in the matter. NONE.
@@nordicmind82You can get pregnant once you have your period which is usually around 11-12, it's why most ancient cultures used it as the marker of marrying age.
@@whydontyouhandledeez Except that you need good nutrition to menstruate that young. People often menstruated later in the past.
@@johnnyearp52 This, yeah. Puberty was typically 11-13 in the past even though maturity wouldnt be fully developed until 16-18 or so.
And marriages with preteens *were not consummated*, as marriage pre-late19th century? (Not sure of dates personally.) is a *transaction of property*, a promise and not simply boning rights as we view it today.
Procreation and consummation of weddings were not happening to children. And since lives were so much more fragile before modern medicine, especially infant mortality rates being as high as 70%, families would need to start having children as early as possible to, yknow, have any real chance at becoming grandparents.
That video of the guy loading a gun explaining how he couldn't cope with what was done to him and others when they were kids, and how there needs to be some justice in the world, and since no one else would do it he was going to have to is absolutely the saddest thing I have ever seen in my life. We failed as a species for him and all the other victims of those degenerates.
They judgment day will definitely be horrible for them ....
@@blastphantomgames6369don't you find it interesting how many Christians dedicate their lives to worshipping god, yet continue to develop into straight up doomsday/death cults?
@@FeedMeChaos1
No, not really.
@@FeedMeChaos1 oh well that's simple really because they are not special. When they chose to pursue sex as god it was over.
"Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devil"
religion is the matrix for degenerates and authoritarians.
priests, preachers, Nazis were Catholic, facists in uhmerica are born in church.
Vid: "A small group of runaway children and an evangelic preacher..."
Me: "Oh no...."
Don't forget the pastor is Jewish
"Due to a growing disillusionment caused by the lack of an apocalypse" is great though
Millennialism was a powerful social movement in the 19th century. Several leaders of these cults were stupid enough to name a date. Time passed, and the cult shrank in membership, but some managed to overcome "the Great Disappointment."
Something similar happened about 1,000 years ago, more credible because of the Vikings.
I heard about this cult! Joaquin Phoenix, his brother River and sister were forced into it by there parents.
BERG
No disrespect but that explains a lot about Joaquin.
@@DoctorCyanI was thinking the same
@@DoctorCyanrced isn't exactly the word, their family was part of the cult because of the religion and hippie stuff, I think River said he was assaulted when he was four (I don't know if their parents knew about it, though I think they probably didn't) Joaquin have said that they chose to leave the cult after they started preaching that parents should give their daughters away to marry older men along with their possessions. They left pretty much as soon as things started to get weird, River was about seven, Joaquin was pretty much a toddler at the time, none of them actually grew up in the cult although after that they were kind of pushed into acting as kids to support the family and we all know how that turned out 😢
Joaquin phoenix and David berg are jews
The Phoenix family (actors and animal rights activists, River Phoenix and Joaquin Phoenix) were brought up in this cult before escaping back to the US. And yes they both experience eggs abuse in the cult.
Damn...did the eggs go up their butt or something?
They experienced eggs abuse? Damn what did the eggs do to them, truly cruel and horrible peoples
@@user-py1gl6xm4fdown with the eggs I say. The eggs and their cult leader, Humpty Dumpty, are truly a despicable kind.
Omg!🤮🤯🤯
@@user-py1gl6xm4fIs this really the time, dude?
My dad got kicked out of that group! He vehemently opposed when they started getting twisted, but his ex wife stayed in with my half sister. We think she's somewhere in Mexico. 😢 Despite the crookedness of those creeps and the loss of his first family, dad pressed on and was determined to protect his new family from perversion and still pursue truth in the person of Jesus. He never forced anything on us, and I have chosen to follow Jesus (not American churchianity) because of the sufficiency of the evidences of his life and the explanatory capacity of the Bible. I value all you folks, even if you don't agree with me, and I hope (and, yes, pray) nothing but the best for you!
I love that you separate Jesus and his teachings from American Christianity. Those are 2 VERY different things ❤️
@angiespurs5773 thanks. I want to get to the heart of what He said and His followers carried on. I don't think either "progressive Christianity" or "conservative Christianity" has it all right. I'll go with classical/biblical Christianity.
Your father and you are very amazing people, you were hurt by false believers but you didn't let it deter you from the true Jesus
Honestly, respect for finding a way to practice that involves thinking for yourself.
There's sufficient evidence to say Jesus existed, but almost no evidence for anything he ever said or did. I think these should be kept distinct, so evidence Jesus existed isn't confused for evidence he performed miracles, claimed to be God, or rose from the dead.
I do like your attitude though :)
I really need a full video on this one
hello dear friend 😊
I from what I've seen its not that deep its one of the cultier sects of Christianity where the children were taken advantage of but I haven't studied it all that much its just that everytime I see it the same info pops up
Last Podcast on the Left has a 3 part series on this cult.
Same
@@tellg0t090atay like that. It's actually deeper than the Manson Family or Jones Town. I would NOT recommend looking into it further.
As a christian these people are pure evil, double evil for using gods words that they "follow" as a scapegoat for sin.
They allowed sin to be a main stay of the cult before it went further off the deep end...
@@blastphantomgames6369 yeah
I learned about this cult from an episode of Dateline or Primetime Live. I knew River Phoenix’s family had been living with a cult for a while; halfway into the episode, I realized this was that cult. Eventually, River was mentioned.
I’m not sure how often, I think, every few years, people who were in this cult as children but who managed to escape, get together. Sadly many can no longer join them because the trauma from the abuse led to their deaths through suicide. At these gatherings, they always take time to read the names of all those who can no longer be with them. They include River Phoenix because even though his death was an accidental overdose, they think he was likely using drugs to numb the pain and trauma from the abuse, which reached a level he couldn't handle anymore.
In this episode they made it a point to stress that just because River didn’t make a deliberate choice to end his life, that he died so young and in the manner he did, with a bright future ahead of him, only makes sense in the context of someone suffering from the same level of trauma that did cause others to end their lives.
It finally made River’s death make sense to me, because he was vegan both for animal rights issues and because he cared about what he put into his body. I’d wondered for a long time what made him violate one of his core principles. I think in the 90s, it was harder to know how to get help. He was self-medicating, and often people don't realize this is what they are doing, they don’t recognize that they need to seek help for PTSD.
If that's not a guaranteed way to create an atheist, I don't know what is.
Could you imagine being exclusively raised in a cult like setting only to be told "It's all bullshit, go get a job" after you've already given your heart, soul, and entire existence to it?
It's real life examples like this that solidify my stance as an atheist.
As a Christian, I agree, it is incredibly sad when people take advantage of others, and especially when it is kids, I always get so angered when I hear things like this, just at the fact that people can be so selfish and despicable. I do not at all blame people who avoid religion after going through something like this, but I am saddened, even if it turns out my religion is false and that we really are here just because of chance, it still gives me peace of mind, and I believe that it is true, and those who were harmed by cults or religion will not have that same experience. Sorry if this didn't make any sense whatsoever, I am exhausted. Thanks for reading it.
Having an IQ above room temperature kinda makes it easy not to. Let me know how your crayons taste though.
@@onionfarmer3044 no need to be rude
@@onionfarmer3044Your schitzos who believe in pixies are the crayon eaters.
When your leader starts spouting heresies like incest and harming children it's a good time to leave.
Matthew 7:15
Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
In Christ's words himself
Luke 17:1-2
1Then He said to the disciples, “It is impossible that no offenses should come, but woe to him through whom they do come! 2 It would be better for him if a millstone were hung around his neck, and he were thrown into the sea, than that he should offend one of these little ones
I went to one of their parties when my friend was briefly involved with them (as The Family International). They used to have a table at the local mall doing face painting and handing out brochures and stuff. I remember one older woman who kept trying to talk to me about Jesus and I just went 'ah, I'm very much an atheist, so no thanks', nicked a couple of bottles of beer from the bathtub, and left.
Roughly what year was this?
@@danielroselle3625 Probably mid 2000's, in Iceland.
@@tinnagigja3723 fascinating! Thank you. A few years earlier they would never have put beer out.
@@danielroselle3625 I'm pretty sure none of them were drinking, just the guests. I mean, the promise of free beer was the only reason I agreed to go (beer here is quite expensive)😄
@@tinnagigja3723 also interesting. I never hear of them using beer at one of their tables, which is why the timing makes sense to me. They would not have even had beer themselves because it was not allowed and was referred to as tasting like “horse piss” by their leader until the rules were relaxed early 1995. I hope at least you got a good quality beer for your trouble. Cheers!
#1 reason why not going to church and being an aithiest is safer then being a Christian 👍
It's really not when a cult is involved although since this can't be considered Christianity so neither is safe
@@blastphantomgames6369Christianity loves to split itself from the inside and come up with new personalities...
Sees video of how rejecting God's plan for our lives results in unspeakable evil:
"That's why I'm an atheist."
@@FeedMeChaos1 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devi
As you can see it is written as a departure from the faith not a side group
@@dougearnest7590 no bro, your superstitious nonsense is what empowers these people.
you think this evangelical preacher just came up with the idea of Jesus all on its own?!
As far as the idea that the apocalypse is concerned, most denominations have been saying that for at least my whole life.
And STILL come up with excuses. This has been going on for 2000 years and you would think they would get a clue by now.
@@WorgenGrrlIt gets closer everyday.
@@kevinhill8193do you really spend each day expecting the world to end?
Because religion is a death abs destruction fetish cult. Its all fear based.
@@kevinhill8193"any second now" -for the past 2000 years
"Why aren't you religious?"
Exhibit A
@@blastphantomgames6369 when the ones claiming to speak his word are touching little kids, it kinda does.
@@blastphantomgames6369Theres a difference between spirituality and religion.
You have all the rights to not be religious but if you think this messed up stuff rappresents an entire religion is just silly, is like if i committed a mass unaliving of people and then i said i like the color green someone could have said " that's why I don't like green" or if a man is a r*pist are you gonna hate all males? Sounds rather silly doesn't it?
Every group has pedos, don't act like it's exclusive to christianty, it's disgusting
Follow God not his "followers" 🤷🏾♂️
I don't get why cults never seem to stop at orgies and communal off-grid living. I mean, you're already living a happier life than most with just those two things, so why complicate it with drugs, doomsday prophecies, and child abuse?
Makes me wanna try to start a cult to set a better example for aspiring cult leaders. I can't decide on a central theme, though. Has to be benefical and commonplace...
This comment is sus as fuck
Ahhhhh..... So, a cult pyramid scheme?
You could worship keystone species of plants and animals. Celebrate working ecosystems. Live off grid only to the point of not using any social media, but promote learning and using the scientific method. Make clear rule that kids aren't allowed into orgies, and taking part in orgies is completely voluntary. Men and women are equal and encouraged to decide for themselves... 😬 If people are equal and allowed to think for themselves, it's not really a cult is it?
Yeah... You can't really make a cult unless you opress someone, and when you get unchecked power over someone else, abuse always ends up happening.
I don't understand why they even get to that point. Where's the cults for non-deviant people?
Cults usually attract, or are started by, people who desire to control others. They need to keep it at all costs- so if the happy communal off grid farm, for example, begins to slip and people want to leave, or are interacting too much with the “outside”, said leader has to go to even more extremes (harsh punishments, r*pe, preaching fear and hatred like the imminent end of the world to make people too scared to return to the outside and unable to think for themselves, no democracy allowed so nobody can say they want a new leader, banning all contact with the outside world…) to keep them under control. I minored in psychology and was specifically interested in how cults and religious extremists (and the alt-right who are hand in hand with the religious fundamentalists) operate. It’s extremely sad and twisted.
Pursuit of sex? Don't remember that one in Sunday school 😂
exactly i hate when people say they aren't christian because of stuff like this when christianity has nothing to do with it
@@moley249Yeah these people are the furthest things from what christians should be.
I've met plenty of hypocrites and i will not deny that i have stumbled many times but i've also met others who truly try and do commit to doing the right thing to follow christ's example.
But crazy gets clicks so people always find the worst examples .
What do you think God's plan for Adam and Eve was, before they disobeyed and ate the fruit?
@@HeyHeyHarmonicaLukefreedom
i like that this guy at least gets to the point in the short videos (unlike the long ones)
"Jesus is coming, look busy!" 😅
So make out with your siblings, it's God's will
@@jennalondonrichards 👁️👄👁️
I need a chainsaw and addresses.
Want to hunt paedophiles? Start with your local church.
Woah! Easy there, Denji! You are going to hunt Sinners, not Devils/Demons!
If this is how you're gonna use it, my buckshot is free of charge
Promise?
I prefer a flamethrower, it's fast and easy to fire yet painful and it obliterates the lefover germs
Daniella Mestyanek Young wrote an excellent book on her life in the Children of God cult (and the cultish parallels she saw during her time in the Army) called Uncultured. I highly recommend it.
What did she say in her book?
The US Army isn't remotely like a cult. Completely secular for one.
You might as well call the Boy Scouts a cult.
I remember hearing about this in a lost media video, a former member who was born into the cult mentioned home movie videos that were based around the cult and were said be be very disturbing to them looking back since it featured an animal character telling children to give their bodies to god and the child actors wore little clothing. Apparently now the cult has changed its name to avoid being associated with the former leader and allegations but still has very cult like concerning practices. I think it’s called The Family or something like that
Holy crap, the lamb video...
@@kitsumekat yep, I’m a bit curious about it so I hope it gets found
@@Ghv5t I found it through Tumblr.
OMG I just listened to the 4 part serious by Cult Podcast. The decline of this cult is way more dramatic. It's still around!
As soon as i heard the term 'evangelic preacher'... I knew shit was gonna go south... And to south it went... But holy hell was that a quick descent.
I hate when my plans get squashed by the apocalypse being delayed...
The pursuit of sex is a sinister undertone.
Undertone? More like a major red flag.
...and here we are, 2000 years after Christ, still waiting for the apocalypse and the second coming all the while waging countless wars in the name of religion...
Abs all they other myths around the world that have end time stories. Its almost like humans want the destruction abs actually act to make it happen....?
I wouldn't describe 8 as countless. I'd say even less given the context of the time period
I think the dirt on religious people is way too well documented considering how atheists be the most anti human group on the planet
I have no idea how you can combine "Jesus" and "pursuit of sex" 😆
Well, you know... he has those extra holes and I'm gonna see myself out.
My great grandparents were geovas witnesses and they would often say "what are you doing that for? The world is gonna end soon" They died of old age at 92 and 94
We as people are not allowed to know when the end will come. All we can do is speculate and just live our lives to the best of our ability
I thought Children of God was an SCP thing 😂
Lauren Hough was in this and wrote an essay collection about it and her time in the Air Force, among other things, called “Leaving Isn’t The Hardest Thing”-fantastic book.
Of all the books on this, that was one of the best.
I grew up in this cult. I lost my virginity when I was 8 and didn't go to school till I was 14
I am so sorry for you & anybody else that went through that.
@@emmaobrien1376 I'd be lying if I said what I went through didn't mess me up. But honestly it wasn't that bad. There were others that had it way worse than I did
I hope you're doing well and healing 🩵
I from there too. I'm sorry that happened to you, Im lucky enough to have gotten out of there without that happening. Hope you're able to be happier these days ❤
@@Amanda-xf4ix oh cool. Did you ever read the life with grandpas?
Hear me out, this shit shouldn't exist. You're free to believe what you want up until the point it hurts people or actively promotes harm, that's where I draw the line. I am far from a religious person but I used to be an orthodox christian when I was a kid. Any cult that forces you to give them money should automatically not exist, you know exactly where that money's going and let me tell you it's not lining good pockets. Also, if you're religious, don't force it on your kids. Doesn't mean you can't teach them about your religion, but you shouldn't force them to worship the same things as you. I always take religion with a grain of salt, I don't look at it as something divine, I look at is as a sort of moral rulebook of sorts. There are some aspects of certain religions I really like but at the same time they can also come up with some heinous shit, no true god will tell you to pillage a foreign land because it has a different faith. Just live a good life, be a good person and at the end die with a smile, that's what it's all about.
Based
The actors Rose McGowan, Joaquin and River Phoenix all grew up in that cult
A cult never starts off by itself. A cult is born when a religion loses its course.
I heard "Preacher" and "children" and new this would end well. Children and Religion Most of the time end Kind of diddled....
I heard sex and cult and ones it could only be downhill
I too get increasingly disappointed each day that the world does not end.
It's shocking how often a mis-predicted apocalypse fails to be the end of a religion. They won't even doubt the specific leader who gave them the date!!!
it's really gonna happen for real this time guys
I promise XD
When he said bunch of kids and Angelica priest we all know where this is going
yeah, winoa Ryder/River Phoenix/& his brother Joaquin due too their parent's were apart of that group.
I watched on MSN NBC A documentary about this dude whose family were in the cult He video taped himself talking about being in the cult what happened too him and so many children; it reached the point of the documentary is that He was in such emotional mental anguish; He got tired and so Committed Suicide!
An in the end all these grown children whose family were apart of that cult came together for his funeral sending up box candle's into the air with balloon's shouting out the name's of people grew up in the cult committed Suicide and that's how I found out about River Phoenix.
I felt bad for Joaquin/& Rainn his. Sister because he Died in their arm's; at least that's how news camera's showed complete with the 9/11 call from Joaquin for Help!
Do Finders Cult next
Matthew 7:15 "Beware of the false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly are ravenous wolves."
"Worship of Jesus and pursuit of sex"
Well, those are very opposing, but very clear objectives.
Religions
This is the furthest thing from what Christianity is. Please don’t think that this children if God BS is what Christianity is😭
You know, it's amazing how many people who claim to be Christian apparently never read the Bible. It blatantly says "no one knows the day and hour, not even The Son."
If Jesus Christ Himself doesn't know when The End comes, why would a cultist?
Feels like an entry for an scp
Conservatism is f_ckin weird.
Bowing to sin like a progressive is indeed crazy
.... that's basically how Christianity went
Folks really be calling everything Christianity with a straight face
No, it isn't.
@@dougearnest7590 super deranged apocalyptic cult mellows out as its most zealous members are disregarded and excluded. Yup, pretty Christian
Portugal really dropped the ball huh
Crazy how literally every cult starts off all nice and cool but rapidly falls into becoming "All Evil Sh*t club"
Aren't there a couple actors and actresses from this cult? Joaquin Phoenix maybe?
Yup! They changed their lastname to Phoenix after leaving to symbolise a new start. Pretty sure Joaquin was barely a toddler at that point tho
I was in a cult. I often have suicidal, ans homicidal thoughts thanks to them.
Yeah, abuse is abuse, sorry , the extreme abuse can be called toxic stress and toxic stress leads to cognitive learning disabilities.
Hope you realize it in time. All the best
@@russellroot2670 Realize it? I'm living it
All the evil people in the world preaching “God”
Becareful of false prophets. They come in sheep clothing, but inside they are ravenous wolves.
I remember them handing out pamplets in Wtgn New Zealand 73
god I hope it never picked up here
Ofcourse new zealand, its like the home for cults. still got gloriavale 😂
@@amosonyoutube Gloriavale is a shit stain on our society, hope the government cracks down on them and shuts them down for good.
Matthew 18:6-9
6 “If anyone causes one of these little ones-those who believe in me-to stumble, it would be better for them to have a large millstone hung around their neck and to be drowned in the depths of the sea. 7 Woe to the world because of the things that cause people to stumble! Such things must come, but woe to the person through whom they come! 8 If your hand or your foot causes you to stumble, cut it off and throw it away. It is better for you to enter life maimed or crippled than to have two hands or two feet and be thrown into eternal fire. 9 And if your eye causes you to stumble, gouge it out and throw it away. It is better for you to enter life with one eye than to have two eyes and be thrown into the fire of hell.
Sounds like normal religion
"... the worship of Jesus and pursuit of sex." This is almost antithetical to Christ's message. He did not go about establishing a sex cult; that would have been one of his most spoken against practices.
Sees video of how rejecting God's plan for our lives results in unspeakable evil.
"That's why I'm an atheist."
It was clear to go south as soon as I heard which members the group had.
It always amazes me to hear the stories from an outside perspective, because it reminds me of how good I had it.
Why doesn’t the law catch up to the Witnesses or the LDS abusers?
Wtf? Lds? They do anything wrong?
Jesus is never coming.
Rip that Band-Aid off and join reality.
Jesus is a reference sample, not the actual savior. The Bible's just a primitive psychology textbook. Only rational way to look at it...
Man I am praying that God reveals himself to you.
He loves you and created you in his image, and he will come back with Holy Wrath
@@scowler7200 Not even, their case studies are horrendous.
@@Jigglez66 Lao Tzu Himself extended His Blessing.
The Eternal Tao set me straight in 8 Days that 28 years of Christianity could have ruined.
It's because of religious freedom that it should be illegal to teach your child from a young age to believe any faith unquestionably. It's that child's right to worship whatever God it wants, not your God just cause you're It's parents
You know it's gonna be bad when a cult revolves around kids
Isn't this every hippy commune ever?
No
@@Dr.exsack true. Not all have survivors. Good catch
Try doing some actual research if you want an answer. Your attitude suggests a severe bias.
>David Berg
Oi vey!
@@o0Hidden0oHuh?
Did you forget the text after the quote?
David Berg was born and raised in a Christian household to two evangelical Christian parents and his maternal grandfather was a Disciples of Christ minister. Almost like not everyone with a -berg surname is Jewish
@@borisbaranhe’s suggesting that David Berg was Jewish because -Berg is a common part of Jewish surnames, but he was too stupid to Google it cause David Berg’s family had been Christian for at the very least 3 entire generations before he was born. These dumbasses are obsessed with linking every bad person and crime back to Jewish people even when there’s 0 connection
Dang apocalypse gets cancelled and now they gotta get a job and start paying rent somewhere.
People who use the name of God to hurt children deserve their own place in the depths of hell.
Apparently from Simon's previous statements about "all religions", stories like this are where he gets his views on Christianity. Any Christian that reads the Bible, would reject this nonsense. It isn't Christianity. It's an example of the thousands of counterfeits. Counterfeits that are good enough to fool Simon, and many more. That's their purpose. Good work, Simon! You're soooo smart! You've identified a single counterfeit, but swallowed the bait they cast.
Oh look, a "no true Scotman" fallacy!
Religion is used as a tool to oppress, control, exploit and/or rob people. Like, all the time. Sure, religion can be used as a way to find "higher meaning" or "true purpose" or something like that, but it is foolish to say that the version of your religion being used in a nasty manipulative way is somehow not still a version of that religion.
The christian bible allows for slavery, bigamy, and other things held in abhorrence by Christians. It prohibits wearing mixed fibres, the consumption of shellfish and other inoffensive things. The biblical god is happy to ruin cities, murder infants and punish the child for the sins of the father. And for all the talk of respecting free will, he hardened Pharohs heart against freeing the children of Israel. The same god commanded the massacre of all adults of an opposing nation, and the taking of the children, notably the female children.
But yes, reading the bible definitely makes you think that God is against bloody violence, rape, and incest (remember Job and his daughters?)
Mainstream Christianity is more subtle, but it can still be harmful.
@@DavidSmith-vr1nbWater can be harmful if misapplied. Your statement is meaningless.
It’s Christianity. You don’t get to tell a cult “you are not really Christian, I don’t claim you and wash my hands of any relationship with you” if you could, all denominations would be calling each other heretics.
Doesn’t mean it’s YOUR fault, it just means they’re believes are rooted/related in yours. It’s not a bad thing. It’s just classification and naming
@@yucol5661 while I do agree with you, historically, the different sects of Christianity _did_ call each other heretics.
Certain sects were actively persecuted and destroyed by the Catholic Church. Or, well, deemed heretics by the Church with that judgement then carrying on into secular court, where heresy was _also_ a crime, but secular courts could sentence someone to death.
There were even "crusades" against certain sects of Christianity in (I think Southern) France!
You're telling me David Berg was a Christian? Hmmm...
Wdym?
Yes. Every generation of his family since his great grandparents were ministers, authors and lecturers in the Christian faith. He was raised by two evangelical parents. Any suggestion otherwise is simply not compatible with reality
"They devoted themselves to both the worship of Jesus and the pursuit of sex."
"It was not long before the group developed a more sinister undertone."
Mate, it was sinister right from the very beginning. The only way you could consider it an 'undertone' is if you think the word undertone means 'the foundation upon which the group stands'.
The moment I heard a priest was involved I knew exactly where this was going.
Hooray for religion.
Drugs and religion don't mix, nor are they good individually LMAO!
Also I feel sorry for those kids that where raped-😢
There's an incredible book written by Bexy Cameron, she grew up inside and escaped the cult, became an investigative journalist and went back to study them and other cults.
Wicked False Prophets.
Literally what Christianity is pretending like this group is somehow an outside factor is crazy. It simply is an accepted with all the other loons
The big fart created everything
@@cyrusthegreat7030Yes
@@cyrusthegreat7030 ya because everything just came out of no where and an invisible white guy did it all , lol
They put sex on the same pedastool as Jesus and therefore making sex a god.
This is a polygod-ed cult and might as well have nothing to do with Christianity especially since Jesus literally don't like that expeditiously
yeah whether they like it or not "normal" religious people give these loonies credibility.
all this needs is guns, orchestral music and a single deputy, ifykyk
The lore is deep and canon
I was born in this cult. 3rd generation. Parents were borh born into it. They didn't get out until early 2010s.
I grew up in (another) cult. Even now, aged 40, I struggle with integration and trust. If I as much as hear someone mention God I want to vomit
The saddest story from this cult is about Ricky Rodriguez, born David Zerby. He was adopted by Berg, being the son of Zerby, and believed to be the next prophet of the cult.
He endured years of sexual abuse, and the resulting trauma impacted his mental health into adulthood. He was able to leave the cult but in 2005 he murdered one of his abusers and died by suicide.
The lack of apocalypse 😂😂😂
the sheer contradiction threw me off for a second bro
It's weird that people can understand this is a cult but can't recongnize that christianity as a whole is also a cult
Children of God is also an excellent SWANS album
Joaquin joker dance explains alot.....
Whole lotta Butt Fookin went on in that group!!!
I’m a devout Christian. God has made it very clear that those like this man will not go unpunished. Evil done in the name of the Lord is unforgivable and what is meant by the Commandment “thou shall not use the Lord’s name in vain.” This sick man is burning eternally I assure you.
Yeah, the lack of an apocolypse was when people thought something wasn't right.
This what my thought! There had to be grown ass adults that originally got sucked into this cult, and those people were perfectly fine with what was happening, but then an apicalypse didnt come and they were like... "hold on a minute now...?"
@@Thoron_of_Netoyou have no idea how some people are easy to manipulate