If tomorrow a age limit of 70 years old was instituted for the US senate, over 71 percent of the senators would have to retire immediately. We need mandatory age limits on public office!
Yes, that's what I've heard as well. Republicans wanted to do it for the money. Democrats wanted to do it because it was "cruel and inhumane punishment". Plenty of blame for the idiots on both side of the aisle.
Part of the problem is the middle classes getting hosed every time there is an economic catastrophe. 2001, 2007, and 2019 all have pushed some people out into the streets, and others from gaining any economic security, while trillions of "dollars" have been printed and interest rates dropped to 0% to give free money to bankrupt corporations. All our taxes are going to keeping rich people in power instead of creating a strong country.
We as tax payers have payed roughly 80,000 dollars for every homeless person in San Diego. The money goes where? That’s enough for them to have a small apartment and weekly allowance. Somehow the tax money goes in to a magic box that has been used to make them uncomfortable
@@Vargas9215 Why not use that money to fly the homeless out to different cities throughout the United States just exactly the same way the biden administration is flying immigrants all over! Reducing the overall numbers will help
@@johndough201 you could but a lot of airplane tickets for 80k. But shipping them out doesn't fix the problem. If I understand the numbers correctly, the 2/3 of California homeless are addicted or have mental illness. The governor is spending money on building facilities (to lock them away), but you know that's not going to work. As for the other 1/3, they either want to be jobless and homeless or just can't afford housing because of outrageous building restrictions of the cities in question. All those tech sector people don't want homes for the poor to tarnish their neighborhood. As evidenced by the much higher rate of homelessness in California, it is an entirely homegrown phenomenon.
True, we as taxpayers do our part in the sense that money from our paychecks is taken for programs to house them but the middlemen are the ones siphoning that money into their own pockets
In Poway they are building a lot of low income house....yet no new roads. Poway doesn't have a trolley. Has very few bus routes. Also our water is not connected to the rest of the county. So now with so many new units they are going to raise our rates by 27 percent next 3 years to pay for upgrades. Our tax dollars to build new homes...just to make our commutes longer(Poway rd much?) And raise our utilities. Screw the house push...if they want to build in small areas they should be made to pay for all the improvements needed. Roads bus stops maybe a bypass or new freeway entrance.... But nope nothing. Just higher density population and all the problems and higher rates that come with it.
@@chadwickciampo3634 rents are so high bc of a housing shortage. After 15 years low income housing can be reused as anything. 272,000 san diegans qualify for low income housing.
@@homefulsolution didn't say anything about rent price. But I do agree with you. But instead of just giving developers free reign to build dense population into areas that are not yet equipped for it....Poway. We should force the developer and the Cali government to make all necessary improvements to infrastructure before if not while they are bursting our town at the seems with new people. Don't get me wrong. I know we have a housing problem and Poway has land to build. Let's do it. But man...right on Poway road? There's so much land to build yet they want the easy way out...they don't want to anger the cyclist or the green activist. So much land...yet let's build it right In the middle of town and connect it all to the old systems instead of the rest of the county from the start. But this mentality of build higher build denser.....in Poway? With out a trolley station? With like 3 bus routes? You ever try to get out or into Poway during rush hour? I assume you know the woes of Mira Mesa and Mira Mar road. Poway isn't much better and it's now only going to get worst. I'm looking at empty hills where house and new roads and freeway entrances can built....but instead let's put a bunch of three story building in the middle of town. Hills that are closer to the 15...closer to Mira Mesa and the trolley station All at the tax payers expense. Besides all that....what actually angers me is this. Poway doesn't have a water source connected with the rest of the county. Would be fine if we kept our current population...or say grew at a reasonable rate? How about the rolling blackouts outs every...single...summer. everytime. Instead they are ramming in all these new building in and expecting the citizens to fit the bill. They are raising all of Poway rates to pay for improvements to the infrastructure. 27 percent increase in the next 3 years. That is official information. Look it up. Why not make the developers and the government pay for it...oh because it's easier to just take my money i guess. As for rent price....I agree with you. It's not right. And something has to be done. It's not just rent prices that make a place livable....what about utilities? I'm not a fan of government setting prices....but man people here are taking advantage of a bad house situation.
Do what people do to nuisance pigeons. Poison them. I don't see a difference...both living, breathing creatures. But people are more disgusting than pigeons.
This can of course be done, but the homeless will just move a bit elsewhere. They'll still exist, unless the homeless advocates take them into their homes.
Hell will freeze over before that ever happens. Homeless advocate groups spend the money they raise on lawyers that advocate enabling this vagrancy in court.
I've seen several youtubers interview these homeless.. they don't want to abide by the rules set forth for the drug treatment programs, they don't want to quit drugs, and they don't want mental help. You can't force these people get to help.
Yeah im seeing single elderly put on the street because apartments are no longer taking section 8 vouchers..the drugs they want they cant get anymore because they don't have a address so they dont have a bank account and so they lose their ssi payments as well...not everyone is a drug addict, stop believing the propaganda
A lot of the newcomers are families fallen into hard times who lost their homes due to sky rocketing rents. Not all of them are the same, some do need help and want it! I know this because I fell on hard times during my divorce and nobody wanted to help me. Thank God I finally did get what was needed. 🙏
What a stupid conclusion. Go live on the street for a year and pull yourself out of abject poverty and then you can judge the mindset, ignorant ingrate.
If the people in the homeless community weren't so hostile to their surroundings maybe people would be more willing to put up with tents everywhere. It's not the tents it's the 10 truckloads of trash that surround the tent.
@@MaySpitfire you should do a ride along with firefighters dealing with this. You would see housing doesn’t solve anything. It almost makes it worse they destroy the building / apartment. There needs to be a change. I don’t think we have a homeless problem, we have a mental health and drug problem.
Not saying this is the case, but I've seen interviews with homeless where they openly admit that they want their freedom, so rather than abide by the rules of a shelter, they set up a tent and live how they want. I'm sure most of these instances (if not all) are situations like that because there are plenty of shelters for them.
As someone who once was homeless, homelessness is a big problem in many communities. The goal of any community should be to get homeless people off the streets into safe shelters, into programs that treat whatever condition may be responsible for that person's homelessness, and working to reduce recidivism for those who are chronically homeless. Those things combined are a tall order for nearly all communities. I am not against "hostile architecture" but it does definitely need to be used in conjunction with shelters and other programs.
No. You need to stop providing them with food and shelter. Institutionalize the mentality ill. Arrest the druggies and squatters after you burn their belongings. Eventually, they will reform, move, or die.
I used to be against this. But after living two years with people shooting up heroin and burning trash piles right outside my apartment, I’m all for it.
This architecture just makes homeless folks go do what you're describing somewhere else. It also could have been what lead them to leave where they were previously and come outside your home. If you want this sort of behavior to end you should support better care for unhouse folks so they can overcome addiction and find a private place to stay at where they feel safe.
@@chillcuteboy I fully support that, in addition to universal basic income I’m just sick of feeling unsafe walking to my car. It’s completely unacceptable, and any methods to solve the safety issue locally in the short term are acceptable at this point.
@@chillcuteboy In Canada, the city of Toronto recently cleared a homeless encampment in a public park which caused a lot of uproar among advocates. Many of the homeless cleared were asked why they were not seeking shelter in one of the city's designated facilities. There were various reasons, but one common one was that they were not allowed to take drugs while staying there, so they decided to live in the park instead.
@@chillcuteboy "This architecture just makes homeless folks go do what you're describing somewhere else." - GOOD, THAT'S THE POINT! Keep 'em moving until they eventually migrate to a city full of ultra-liberal goo-goos like Berkeley or SF or LA that's already ruined by such behavior, or until they finally decide to get their sh!t together and accept help from society, on SOCIETY's terms, not theirs. Vagrancy as a lifestyle choice should be made as uncomfortable as possible for these people.
I've been dealing with homeless in Las Vegas for 20 years doing security. I've met nice ones and I've met bad ones. I don't blame any business for trying to keep their storefront shit, piss and trash free. I can guarantee you there are probably no business owners in San Diego that are against the hostile architecture especially if it helps protect them. The homeless are high or drunk and the rest of them have mental problems they cannot be cured. Very few of them want to be helped and most of them think they're outside of the law and can do whatever they want.
@@MaySpitfire hate to say it, but OP is telling a harsh truth. If you beg to differ, then volunteer your home and time to these people. Your boundaries and patience will be pushed
@@MaySpitfire Sure, it's all fun and games until they're camped outside YOUR business chasing off YOUR customers. I have to work 40 plus hours a week, I have to pay rent, I have to buy my food, I have to take care of my kids. I have to follow the law. But particular homeless individuals don't have to be responsible for anything I guess. If you really feel that way, you should just let them camp in your yard and outside of your house. Make sure to scrub their feces off of your driveway and your porch. Enjoy their fragrant urine smell that'll fill your property. Make sure you pick up all of their dirty needles and alcohol emptied bottles and cans. And don't you dare complain when they steal from you either. And have fun cleaning up your trash every day after they go through all your trash cans and leave it outside on the ground all over the place 😂
Why arent mental institutions brought back? Why does nobody discuss this? There needs to be a homeless retreat 100 miles outside of the city with buses leaving everyday.
Probably 70% of the homeless belong in mental institutions. They literally can't take care of themselves. In 1950 the US held about 500K people involuntarily committed in mental institutions. Today, with a population more than twice as large, we have about 35K. Most of the rest are probably out on the street.
There is such a thing as compassion fatigue...and I believe - ALL ACROSS THE COUNTRY - we've passed that boundary. There are three types of homeless: 1) those suddenly displaced, who will recover, 2) those who are structurally displaced or mentally afflicted (psychologically impaired) and would benefit from outreach, and 3) the deliberately dysfunctional and professionally parasitic whose drug addiction, sociopathy, or simple socially-parasitic personality traits would not benefit from anything. Help group 1 & 2. Group 3 is likely at the root of 95%+ of all the issues festering in today's cities. Group 3 would be better off being put on an island with all the drugs they want until they coke themselves to death. They get what they want -- free drugs - and we get peace and quiet. We also get to help the first two groups who would benefit disproportionately from community safety nets. Group 3? Well, offer addiction rehabilitation. 1st time is on us. 2nd time is on them. But let them all steal, fight, threaten, and ruin each other.
Oftentimes it takes a few tries to start rehab & have it stick. Plus long term on going care pretty much the rest of their life. But yeah I'd give them a second & third try if they're convincing enough.
Such clarity!!! Thanks for posting this, because I always see people incorrectly generalizing in the comments, but could never arrange my words to describe it.
There was an entire block of fentanyl addled bums along Oceanside Blvd. last year. It was swept out, hotel rooms offered and then installed large rocks along the entire strip - it worked.
@@BoCaineWell, a bunch of them are soaking up tax dollars in hotels. The small business owners on Oceanside Blvd definitely have more peace now. So whatever.
That maybe true but have compassion because I have lived in the shelter no addict I have worked all my life ,but my family got hit gentrification in most illegal and the courts are not designed for the tenants,but let me tell u there were elderly women in there if u saw them in the streets u would have never thought all the way up to 88 were she actually had to have surgery on her brain and still had to return to the shelter I say that to say u never know if it’s u gonna need that bench,talm bout build more but no solution like throw them away but society literally tells old ppl to their face ur time is up just die already,u should know how it feels
As a homeless man I have to wonder, why aren't we being rounded up and used as slave labor until we expire? It would save taxpayers on this architecture and businesses could get a bit of free labor, then our bodies could be used to feed the stray dog population or composted and used in community gardens
I Just had a lady the other day casually walk in our house in north park area and lock herself in the bathroom and tried to shower she left before the cops showed up. Few weeks ago also has a homeless tried to sleep behind my gated trash cans. In the last 6 months it’s gotten noticeably worse
How about Hostile taking over public sidewalks, public benches and public parks?? How about Hostile assaulting people, cursing and spiting on people. No word about that.
I'm guessing that the do-gooders have their own private parks that they pay money for the privilege of recreational doing stuff in. Scobee Park (hidden by several commercial buildings in East Lake) would be a classic example. The place even has security guards on site to run people out who are not authorized to be there. Ever read about how the Communist elite in the Soviet Union had their own special stores, vacation homes, etc that could not be used by the Proletariats (average working stiffs)? We are going to see (or already are seeing) the same thing here.
Thank you, YES! You are right. Everyone talks about the rights of homeless but we also have rights. The right to walk on the sidewalk and not be hustled, hassled, etc.
What would be an even better deterrent would be to make the penalty for vagrancy and loitering be forced commitment to mental health treatment facilities or drug rehabilitation facilities as needed, then mandatory job training as needed. But that will probably never happen when our politicians can make more money by pretending to solve a problem than by actually solving it. Most of these people don't need money or a house, they need mental health or drug treatment and a job.
Yes give them ONE chance (because frankly most of the time this isn't their first try at treatment) and if they don't oh well. You can't force a person to take responsibility for their own self and get help. If they don't want to stay clean and sober or refuse mental Healthcare they should absolutely be punished. Throw them in jail for vagrants and throw that sht in the streets in the garbage because it's litter.
@@user-pm4zg2mw5b they have more rights than other people who break the law. They have no right to litter. They have no right to sleep on the streets. They have no right to drink on the streets. They have no right to loiter in front of businesses.
The smell of urine and feces , garbage and camping out on hard working peoples property is much more hostile than the “hostile architecture”. People that don’t live like that should not have it forced upon them for various reasons.
@@uTommydogs I don´t think those people are capable of thinking straight. It´s a scientific fact that cognitive abilities severely weaken during stress, fear, hunger, depression, etc. Nervous system controls everything in our body. When a person has mental problems, it´s the same as physical. It´s a handicap
@@dodgro8342 Sad to say, but you either get used to the idea of having roommates or you leave the city for more affordable regions. I've lived in San Diego for nearly 40 years and love it here. But if I were just starting out and had any thoughts of having a family I would leave for another state. I know some young couples that did just that.
Thank you! Exactly right. These media outlets forget that the hardworking people who PAY to live in these places deserve to not deal with the homeless!
The reporters outfit was the most hostile thing in the video. Imagine calling rocks and armrests “Hostile”. What about the hostile atmosphere of homeless drug addicts shuffling the streets like zombies?
Wait untill you are in trouble and become homeless. Instead of doing stuff to make the homeless uncomfortable, the city could actually do something to help those ppl.
I believe that for these problems anyone that votes to remove stuff like this should be put on a sanctuary list. So that homeless can camp out at their house. Instead of in the city
As the economy and inflation get worse more and more people will be homeless. You're on that list to fail at some point. It's a shame that it has to happen to some people before they can have empathy.
How about we just make it a criminal offense to be poor and on the street, will that make ya happy? We can replace all the grass in parks with razor wire and broken glass. Instead of counting the homeless on cold january nights, we can have the fire dept drive around and blast the homeless with their hoses. This will drive them out of the city and to some other place where we wont have to look at them. You like this plan?
Plot twist you end up homeless and when you try to sleep somewhere they're gonna make it uncomfortable for you and when you go to a sanctuary camp on someone's lawn you get pepper sprayed and told to leave.
We need that here in Portland where the homeless practically run the streets, and can legally shit, piss and camp anywhere. Then the city spends thousands removing them only for them to move two blocks over and do it again.
@@Micheal1122 They're holding onto the idea that Portland will be normal again. There was always a bunch of homeless people in that city, but after a recent visit, I'd have to say it's like 10x worse than before. There's no way it's returning to normal.
@@cheesyrichard I don’t think I’ve ever seen a homeless person in my city, there are some extremely poor people because it’s México but homeless I’ve seen maybe one or two in 10 years.
We need forced stay mental hospitals. Alot of these homeless can't take care of themselves. What is more humane to let someone with mental disabilities wonder the streets covered in filth and feces (poop and urine) or to (yes against their will lock them up where they have rules to follow, will get 3 square meals a day and access to a shower on a regular basis). I drive a bus alot of people think that these people can't find jobs ( for a small amount of the homeless that is true but for the majority of them they have mental illness and need help) just cause you give a dollar to a person on the side walk and they sound perfectly sane for a 1 or 2 minute conversation they are most likely not that sane. Try talking to them for a 15 minutes or half hour and you will start to see the cracks. Try dealing with them on a regular basis and you will see the problem. Most people have no idea what these homeless go through. They get beat up they starve they get sunburned BADLY they have fleas in some cases they often smell horrible like your trash can on a summer day x 10. Bottom line is they need help and they don't want help because they have mental issues and alot come from a bad childhood if you listen to their stories. If we want to be humane and do the right thing we HAVE to get these people into live in mental hospitals where they will be supervised every day. Instead we turn a blind eye and call them lazy because we don't want to take the time to understand the problem or spend the tax dollars on live in hospitals to solve the problem. All men and women are created equal (BUT NOT ALL MEN AND WOMEN ARE BORN WITH THE SAME basic MENTAL capabilities) if we call ourselves civilized then we need to give these people the care, facilities and attention that they can not give themselves. This would also free up alot of the programs and shelters for the homeless that are just down on thier luck and have the mental fortitude and capacity to navigate the programs and paper work associated with those programs so that they can get back on their feet and get help. We take better care of animals then we do of humans who are not capable of mental reasoning or understanding Instead we Shun them and push them out to some new place where we don't have to look at them and then we go adopt a rescue pet (sad) these people need hospitals forced stay hospitals where they can get care and help and until we are ready to spend the time and money to do this as well as change are thinking on What are basic human rights (when it comes to someone not being able to care for themselves due to mental handicaps) NOTHING WILL CHANGE.
Yes. This. We're failing a lot of these people. I'm all for complete freedom and autonomy, but you have to have to ability to govern yourself. Once you cannot, it's society's responsibility to step in. If Americans want equity so bad they can start with creating equity for those with disabilities.
Yes I agree with you. How can we expect these people to lead clean productive lives when alot of them clearly lack basic reasoning capabilities. If we want them to get help we as a society have to be the ones to see they get it. Alot of them have a child's cognitive ability. Most of us wouldn't just toss a child to the streets ( I say most not all ) forced stay hospitals are the most humane solution to this problem where they will be supervised 24/7. Will it be free of course not but the choice is either keep kicking the problem of homelessness down the road to the next town or deal with it.
In Iowa, we had mental hospitals and county homes back when I was a kid. Not great. Not perfect. But, the people that ended up there are the ones currently living on the streets. Ronnie and his corporate dudes decided to "save some money" and ceased funding these institutions. The problems didn't disappear, they just changed their venue.
even if they arent forced stay, just HAVING a place you could voluntarily check into easily would be a good start. you can incentivize it with a stipend or something. there can be levels of care. there can be methadone/drug maintenance programs within some of them so people actually stay.
I’m a psych nurse and the mental health infrastructure is pathetic. America needs so many more hospitals, clinics, outpatient programs, residential, dual diagnosis, assisted living and much more
i live in north san diego and i think these solutions are necessary and adequate. southern california is a drain point for the entire countries homeless because of our mild year round weather. we need larger solutions for mental health, etc. but there is a huge problem with perfectly functional people who are satisfied with begging, etc.
I doubt many of them are “satisfied” with begging. They can’t just “get off their ass and get a job,” if it were that easy we wouldn’t have a homeless crisis. The homeless oftentimes don’t have the resources to get work. How do you work 40 hours without getting more than 90 min of sleep at a time? How do you keep a job without access to a shower? And let’s assume they miraculously do find work….what are they supposed to do with their belongings when they’re at work? There’s a lot of moving parts, it’s a complex issue. The money spent on jagged fake rocks would’ve been better spent on almost anything else
@@seanacomedy the homeless have numerous free resources to use but choose not to. They have access to halfway homes to get clean and get help - they choose not to. They have access to advocates to help them - they choose not to. SD offers free storage facilities to store their belongings safely - they choose not to.
I was in San Diego four years ago and loved it by the way. We stayed in the Gaslamp District and the first night there I gave $10 to a very friendly homeless man. The next morning I saw him again and gave him another $5 for breakfast. I was sitting at an outdoor cafe and then I started watching him collect money for almost an hour. I figured by the end of the day he was probably making more per day than I did...lol So I declined his future requests for help and told him why. He laughed and told me I was probably right.
It’s really a mental health crisis. Happy people, secure people don’t start using street drugs. People start street drugs to escape pain from something. I agree homelessness is a problem, but so is lack of compassion.
@@beagoodhuman44 If you want to be compassionate bring out your own money to help…… These “people” don’t want help, they just want to escape from whatever it is in life to live on “easy” street but too afraid to end their own life & be with “so-called” GOD.
There's been a camp by a certain freeway on ramp I use for at least a year now. A few months ago he stole a city garbage can from someone's house, I wouldn't be surprised if the city started providing weekly trash service to it. Might as well give the tent an address at this point.
@@BoCaine imagine getting chased by a homeless person with a knife because you told him you didn't have change. Literally happened a month ago where I work.
I saw a house in New York that had spikes around the yard to keep away homeless but they were not enough to hurt someone just enough to make someone uncomfortable
It's the opposite of hostile. It's very friendly for those that want to be able to sit and wait for a bus but could not because some bum was sleeping there. It's very friendly for those that want to walk around their neighborhood without the fear of being accosted or stabbed by some drugged-out mentally ill person. Ditto for those that like to walk on streets without used needles, pss and sht all over the sidewalks. Ditto for business owners that pay taxes to keep downtown areas attractive for customers. There are zero urban areas that have made things comfortable for the homeless that have not experienced massive crime, drug use and filth everywhere.
Wait. They have been putting in Hostile Architecture against skate boarders for decades and no one’s says anything about that. Skate boarding is not a crime….
One person working min wage jobs can afford a cheap hotel efficiancy downtown. One a friend was at, 800$ deposit, month 550$ rent. Next bus lines, laundromat, 7-11. Huge lobby, furnished. Roomer provide minifridge, microwave, and tv if desired. Mens showers bathrooms, separate womens showers bathrooms.
If these are still accurate prices please let me know the name. Because everyday I search and I have found NOTHING under $900/mth without a 6 month waitlist
The CITY always says "Mental health care, street outreach, shelters....." yet NOTHING EVER CHANGES because they don't ACTUALLY DO ANYTHING. Vote for the same people, get what you've always got.
It's funny until ppl catch on to their attempts to circumvent the hostile architecture. It only ramps up the hostility and the design becomes more vicious.
I visited San Diego in 2008 and they had those benches. Looks like the issue only got worse. Perhaps solving the root cause instead of punishing the bottom would be logical.
@@josec439 I’m not homeless anymore that was in my youth - you’d never make a comment like that if you knew how it was and I hope you experience it one day.
@@summer4659 I have been homeless before. For less than a year. I didn’t want to continue to be dependent on handouts or the government so I turned my life around. Took some time but I managed to be get a comfortable life now. I appreciate what I have and I’m grateful. But most of these homeless are content with their life without regards to how it affect the community they’re in
@@josec439 everyone deserves a second third fourth fifth etc... chance not everyone has the capacity to "pull themselves up by their bootstraps" like you seemed to, yet they still deserve to live a life of dignity like the rest of us. I would happily pay to help others less fortunate than myself wouldnt you?
7.2 Billion dollar budget for over 30 homeless programs 2022. Everybody getting Rich off the Homeless. If they were to leave , so would that 7.2 billion budget.. My Daughter got chased for her Purse by a " Homeless Man " down town San Diego ,police came and said they could do NOTHING..because he did not catch her or was able to steal her purse. . WHAT ? WHAT ? WHAT ?? They don't want them gone. THEY ARE PART OF THE BUDGET NOW AND THOUSANDS OF POLITICAL JOBS..
Some people call this cruel but these people obviously have made it clear they do not wish to be a part of a functioning society. Anywhere homeless camps pop up crime, garbage, littering, and drugs follow. Here in Portland OR its on EVERY CORNER! These are the will nots, the people who chose not to work or do anything remotely productive. If they made side walk camping and vandalism a prison sentence it might stop. However we all know that will never happen so the only plausible outcome I see is it continuing to get worse and worse and worse.
To those opposed to hostile architecture: let me put it like this. Say you have a small business that gets lots of customers, things are going well. Then a few homeless folks come along to hang out by the doors and ask “spare change” to your patrons. As the weeks progress, you notice a decline in sales. You check the online reviews and they say: “great store, excellent service, but there’s homeless folks loitering outside the doors hankering me for money every time I visit. I’m not a walking ATM, and the owners do nothing about it.” You consider what to do, so you begin to tell the homeless to vacate your business because you feel hostile architecture is mean spirited. They politely say they’ll leave, but an hour later they’re still there. You tell them to leave again, but they stay put. So you call the police to evict them. They finally leave, but they eventually return a few weeks later. Rinse and repeat what previously happened. Frequent police activity and homeless people constantly at your business drive more customers away. This lowers your property values and runs your once prosperous business out of business. All this because you were too good natured to put some hostile architecture up.
But y'all let criminals run out the store with merchandise. It's the government taking tax dollars to waste rather than help folks. No justification for it.
The point of opposing hostile architecture is to rather than waste tax dollars on stupid shit trying to do the out of sight out of mind bs, we use that tax money (and some extra from taxing the rich) and use it to help the homeless find a place to stay, and jobs, rehabilitation if needed. This whole thing you wrote misses the entire argument and is just sad seeing people not recognizing they have fallen victim to the propaganda wrote be rich elitist assholes Edit: spelling mistake
This feels like a good solution but homeless people are not always bad. San Diego is artificially inflated prices to a point where it is near impossible for some person or family to not fall in trap of debt and loose everything?
I agree, however 90% is a drug or mental illness. Its not like the Great Depression of the late 1920 to 1930, great migation. When there was a job oppurtunitys, folks took it. This is lack of California Government accountability, personal accountability, enabling. Woke culutre in California Government. Instead here in SD we focus on bike lanes on 3 miles in a neighborhood. Cant even get that right. Folks forgot last year they spent 22 Million, and bought hotels, where are numbers🤔🤷♂️🤯
@@paulscanter5562 yep.....Jerry Brown, was "woke" Just didn't have a name for it yet.....reduction in Sate Hospitals. Set them free. Freedom has a price, earn it, work it. Nobody is truly free, society's obligations,laws ect. Unless your in Alaska homesteading off the land🤔. So adapt, overcome and improvise, adust accordingly 🤷♂️
Either city, county, and state officials are complicite with and facilities HOMELESSNESS in America, or they are grossly under trained to meet the needs of these American citizens. Keep in mind that this situation has been going on since the great depression
Meanwhile, our potato in chief is handing over billions and billions of dollars for another ridiculous war, gave us the highest inflation in decades, the highest gas prices in history, and 58 different genders. Well done potato voters, well done. 👏 👏 👏
Well depression era homeless were seeking work for the most part. Homeless today for the most part are homeless by choice. Purely a chemical dependency issue. Then the other side of that is when the majority of state run mental health hospitals closed in the 1960's and kicked out the patients. It's been down hill from there.
You need a $130,000 income for an average rent ($33,072 per year) in San Diego, I am surprised some people are still willing to work for less than $30 per hour.
We need Hostile Architecture in all government buildings to limit all the low life government workers milking the taxpayers dime. Postal Workers, Road Maintenance and Fire Fighters are OK as they are truly needed.
What....🤯🙈🙊🙉..... I guess everyone that owns or rents , from the "unsheltered" is considered " hostile architecture". So for a shelter person walking on a city or neighborhood street, observing unsheltered would be considered a " hostile sight" works both ways.....🤷♂️
easiest way is to split up the homeless into categories. If someone works but just can't afford california housing prices, help them find a home. if someone just wanna drink booze and do drugs all day, give them all the drugs they want and drop them off in the desert.
I agree. There are different types of homelessness for sure. I am all for helping someone who is homeless because they lost their job, or their rent skyrocketed. But the druggies and the chronically homeless who refuse any kind of help....you're on your own.
In Poway they are building a lot of low income house....yet no new roads. Poway doesn't have a trolley. Has very few bus routes. Also our water is not connected to the rest of the county. So now with so many new units they are going to raise our rates by 27 percent next 3 years to pay for upgrades. Our tax dollars to build new homes...just to make our commutes longer(Poway rd much?) And raise our utilities. Screw the house push...if they want to build in small areas they should be made to pay for all the improvements needed. Roads bus stops maybe a bypass or new freeway entrance.... But nope nothing. Just higher density population and all the problems and higher rates that come with it.
@@malcorub yet no new roads. No new access point or exit points from the city. Poway is also known as the corridor to the east. Sucks they are growing our population so much yet aren't doing anything to improve our infrastructure. At least not for free....Poway citizens have to pay extra for all this new construction which isn't right
There is a growing encampment under the bridge in Nordahl, by the Escondido area. That seriously needs to get checked out right away. I see suspicious activities everyday I passed under that bridge .
Probably know about it.....city, city council, cops. Turn the other way. Enforce things like parking tickets ect that pay general fund, ot ect. Call osha, EPA a diffrent agency. Those who flock together stay together. Once its in a diffrent agency things start to change...just word from a bird🤷♂️
I don't get why you can't just catch them and put them in a homeless camp in a wide open space like the Mojave, where they can put up tents and collect trash to their own content. Only rule is that they can't leave and food and water will be air drop into the camp.
Because they are human beings, not animals. They have constitutional rights. They're allowed to be free here in the U.S.A. But you're probably just a kid so I get it. Just don't ever become a cop.
In the US you can blame homelessness on the republican side of things God forbid the working class makes as much as them or trumps party lmao thank you Republicans
I have mixed feelings about this but sometimes it is necessary to start somewhere I speak to a lot of homeless men in LA they do not want to go to a shelter with rules they like the freedom of their lifestyle it’s hard sometimes they say but it is theirs to live by so I don’t know what the answer is but it cannot go on like this
Ummmm🤔.....to simplify this, I like my freedom but I still have to pay bills. Freedom comes from choices we make. So .... unsheltered dont want offered services because of rules. Treat them like Daddy and Mommy did...My House, My Rules....Children aren't free, until they make choices when they are adults to enjoy freedom.
@@michaeltabanao9014 fact: there are 38,000 homeless people on the housing waitlist JUST for San Diego. What is it about the homeless that makes you so jealous? You really make it sound like they're having a blast.
@@homefulsolution 🤔.....jealous...interesting choice of words...I do not do drugs.....check..... ummmmm mental illness, yes at the current moment, because we as tax payers allow this to happen. Wait,🤔 The definition of insanity is....doing the same thing over and over and expecting diffrent results. Nope I am not mentally ill, because I realize there needs to be change.🤷♂️🤯. Love your compassion, however, you can reduce the waiting list. How many rooms does your apartment or house have ? Right, .......what.....cricket's now....Show up then put up......🙊🙈🙉
@@michaeltabanao9014 you need to open your eyes your interpretation of what I said is 180 degrees wrong when was the last time you took the time out of your day to speak with these people, true they put them selves in this situation, but some of them have jobs and can’t afford a place to live so tent or their car is their home
I saw this one guy with a sign asking for money for food at a red light. He was around for months. I one day went into a gas station and he was in there buying scratch-off tickets.
it's only a disgusting tactic for people who are trying to appear like they are good people by standing up for people who most of the time don't wanna change or not be homeless. Homelessness is an issue but these tactics need to be put in place so productive members of society can keep making money so we can fund some solution to this problem(other societal issues as well) and so we can live without such a big disturbance or even potential harm to our lives. Have some self respect and some respect for the people who do care but don't have the time or resources to do anything about people homelessness, especially when the homeless don't do much of any(if any) good for themselves.
Yep ..🤔. It should have been considered " a hostage situation", for the tax payers to allow 22 Million to buy hotels in Mission Valley, Old Town and Point Loma for "the unsheltered". Whats the numbers on that.......haven't heard anything for a year. CBS 8 should do reporting on that🙉🙊🙈
@@homefulsolution we should tax you more.....any donations yet ? Any rooms available at your dwelling? Your car would work? What ...🤷♂️.....crickets now🙊🤴
I put spikes on wood encasing a concrete block that a local guy begs from all day. Within that day the spikes were removed. He just uses the money to drink and sit there to drink and sit there. Suckers would donate to him food and the sort. I was one of those suckers once. Even befriended him and found him a new place to stay. He wasn't good.
@@dianecelento4974 I feel I let myself down by expecting too much. I don't want it to let it totally withdraw from charity, help, optimistic outlooks, faith in good will but I have put myself in a vulnerable position too many times. I should try to find a balance because it was an imbalance that brought me here. Here I am alone and mistrustful of everyone. I knew beforehand I shouldn't have mixed with that guy but after seeing him outside every day sitting outside for hours.
I believe in helping people! I just help the people who really can't help themselves, like children! Grown men have to help themselves by going to work and taking responsibility for themselves!
I’m done giving them what I need because they are abusing our sidewalks, parks, beaches, neighborhoods, and businesses. I’m sorry but I cannot after I fed a man and lit a cigarette after eating. If they got money for bad habits they need to use that money for food
Homeless advocates? Like, advocating for homelessness? Cuz it doesn't seem like they're advocating for those who are homeless to get their act together. This is perfectly acceptable. Also, ending homelessness means holding people accountable for their actions. You can offer all the help you want, but they're not taking it because they don't want it. Set expectations and enforce laws. A healthy dose of shame never hurt anyone either.
I am a retired police officer ...90 percent of these people are on drugs or drinking.....a lot of mental issues come with this...if you told them they could get free housing, but had to work and take drug tests they would laugh at u.....a lot of them love the street life...wake up at 11 am...free soup kitchens...etc....wake up at 0530 to work.....they would fall over laughing...
@@creampiess sir, I am one of these people. I slept in the park. I slept in laundry rooms. I slept in my car when I had one (until it broke down and I abandoned it). I couch hopped. I WAS (correction) one of these people. I was surrounded by these people. I was hooked on meth. I have mental illnesses, plural. I've been in mental institutions 11 times. 11!!!! And jail 3 times. And I was on probation and in foster care as a youth due to my refusal to get with the program. You're right, asshole, I am special needs. I have one of the top disabilities in America along with several others. Do you feel better about yourself now? I got my shit together. These people can, too. But they will not do it until someone gives them standards to live by. Until someone believes in them and shows them that they are worth more than living in a tent in the park and smoking meth all damned day. Only then will they develop their own standards to live by. Also, *you're. Smartass. What the eff is the "right kind of help"???? Either you want THE help or you don't. Goddangit. I wish the general public would get a fatherfucking clue. Geezus. I guess I have to go back and edit my own spelling and grammar. Unlike self-righteous, inhumane, partly-line voters like you, Christopher Lee. I just, like, I cannot fucking wait for your reply. I cannot wait for someone else, who's never been where I've been, where these people have been, to offer their unimportant and unhelpful opinion on this lifestyle. You must have all the answers. I guess all of the therapy, all 26 years of it, and all of the very real problems, and all of the suicide attempts I have under my belt pale in comparison to your liberal opinion (which is not fact) of what these folks should do with their lives and of what they're going through, of what I should do with MY life, and of what the ACTUAL problems are. Please. Let's have a conversation. I'll tell you about how many rehabs I've been in, the 7 medications I'm on just to keep my wits about me, about the sexual assaults against me AS A CHILD, about how hard it was to get off of drugs, about all of the abusive relationships, about how daddy didn't love me enough, about how I abused my own body and mind because everything hurt too much, about how my self-abuse hurt too much so I finally got a steady job, a place to stay that I pay for on my own, and, again, about how hard it was to get off of those drugs that made me feel so much better mentally and about myself, and, also, about how hard it's been to not k*ll myself TO THIS DAY. Every. Single. Day I have suicidal thoughts. You tell me, since you know so fucking much with your ingenious liberal solutions to all of this, how these people aren't DYING on the streets NEEDING, absolutely NEEDING someone to tell them to CUT THIS SHIT. You don't know shit about that. Go 'head, tell them to their faces that they are worth more than life on the streets. That is what they need. This is what I needed. SOMEONE, ANYONE, to tell me that I can be more than a junky in the literal gutter. I. Used. Drugs. In. The. Gutter. You think you're doing anyone any favors by allowing people to live like this? This isn't a life. This isn't freedom. These people, these humans, deserve much more than this, but you can't see past the end of your own nose. You're not helping anyone with your worthless, stupid, online opinions, keyboard warrior. If you think I don't know what the problems are, you're so UNBELIEVABLY wrong. I have survived the problems!!!!!! Despite my own best efforts to stop living on this earth. Get. Bent. How's this for special ed: I'm in college now working on a SECOND, yes, a SECOND degree, and I'm afforded "special ed" accommodations under federal law to ensure that I have a fair shot at what everyone else does, to ensure EQUITY (not equality, which is absolute liberal bullshit and will never exist because nature never intended for equality among sexes or species). Does that make me less than you??? The federal law protects me against bigots like you. I can outthink and out-wright you any day. I've worked HARD for those skills. You have clearly not. I have worked VERY hard to learn how to reframe my thinking and to think independently. Don't you EVER tell me who and what I am. I know myself better than I ever have in my whole entire 38 years on this earth as a woman. As a human being. Don't you DARE. You. Will. Not. Win any intellectual battle against me. If you're gonna tell someone they're retarded online, start with good grammar. Cuz you looked stupid at your very first word.
@@US_ARMY_25_INF._DIV. I worked my ass off to get out of that life. WORKED. MY ASS OFF. My father is a retired police officer. I never had a problem with authority. I had a problem with personal responsibility. Thank you for your service. I would like to add that my NOW father adopted me and is not the father who led to the daddy issues mentioned in the reply to the POS 'helpful' liberal above.
I think my eyes are still burning from that ladies bright yellow clothes. Professional has really changed, I guess I'm lucky she is completely clothed when 90% of people in media wear basically underwear.
If the city won't take action, the people have to. I'm glad I live in a city that lets cops do their jobs and it never gets to be an out of control problem like it is within San Diego city limits.
@@BoCaine How's that working out for these cities that are operating purely out of emotion and have no plan that actually works and no accountability with the billion spent?
I welcome any deterrent of major homeless encampments. People shouldn't have to work hard for 50 years to live amongst filth and crime. That's ridiculous.
If there was any kind of social saftey net for those people who work hard but sometimes fail so they can get back on their feet and be productive citizens it wouldnt be as big of an issue. Instead when someone fails we just have contempt and shun them, backwards society.
I absolutely agree that there should be more done to help the downtrodden, but I also am so tired of feeling like I’m walking around a post-apocalyptic society.
Homeless people shouldn't be allowed to put tents on the streets. Period. If they don't want to follow the rules of shelter and want to continue taking drugs and live like the streets belong to them only by urinating and destroying public property, then they should be told to take the bus or train and go somewhere else.
Seriously, go spend the night in a shelter before you judge. I have. I would choose the streets. I had 3 male staff members offer to take me home. How sweet. They assumed I was on drugs, thought they could take advantage. I wonder how many addicts they actually assault like that. Its crazy.
@@minachoo-ho1362 so are you saying that all male or female staff members in all the shelters are like this? You know that's not the case. It's unfortunate with what happened to you. These people who tried to take advantage of you should be punished. However, this doesn't mean that streets become the home of those who need shelter and that public property is ruined and unhygienic living conditions are allowed to be carried on.
@@ppraish I get that. But Shelters are not always a safe haven. No most women workers are not looking to take in homeless men for sex. But the male workers are different. It's low hanging fruit for them. There are also pimps/drug dealers in these shelters scouting for new girls. There are bad cops, judges, and pastors. So surely you don't think these shelter workers are saints. Women shelter workers often work for pimps too. Homeless men are rarely the target. Homeless women are extremely vulnerable so it attracts predators. That's why telling someone to blindly just go to a shelter is worse. The people are ALIVE. Screw your public property. It can be replaced. That's what's wrong with this world. We value property over life. People should stop spending so much to live there. Let the homeless have the city, and watch how quickly they respond. The ones with income can afford to leave. Yet they complain about the ones who can't even afford to live?
@@minachoo-ho1362 sorry I disagree with you. People are not meant to live on the streets. That's why there's a house, apartment, shelter, etc. If someone has major problems with shelters, I'm pretty sure they can complain to the senators, government representatives. There's good and bad people everywhere. Homeless people have created a mess in San Francisco, Los Angeles. I couldn't believe my eyes the number of tents I saw in Los Angeles and the filth and graffiti. The public places belong to the residents and businesses in those cities as well. They have the right to live there and maintain cleanliness and hygienic living conditions. The last thing you want is taxpayers to leave the city and the state since their taxes support various government programs, even for the homeless people. Also these homeless tents turn away visitors as well and people feel threatened when they see homeless people attacking and killing others. There are real life stories of homeless people getting killed and robbed by other homeless people when they live on the streets in their tents. It's not safe for them even on the streets. if a shelter is sexually abusing the homeless people it's supposed to support, then that should be reported to the mayor, Governor, senator, etc. Not everybody is corrupt. The homeless people can't just tell the residents and businesses to go screw themselves and let homeless people do whatever they want. This is selfishness on their part. That's not how a society is supposed to function.
@@ppraish LMAO! Tell who? You are big trippin. Nobody believes them nor cares what they have to say about poor shelter conditions. If the conditions in the shelter are worse than the streets that speaks volume. Exactly, if all tax payers leave and the officials are stuck with only the homeless maybe they'd do something. The people that can afford to leave should leave or stop paying. I heard Utah has a low homeless rate. The homeless are residents as well, that's what the housed residents don't understand. When thousands of residents cannot afford to be housed the government needs to do something about housing, not create deterrents that won't solve the issue. Like I said, if you've never been there, you won't understand. I too used to think there was help for the homeless. There isn't. It's truly devastating. The tax payers have more control than the homeless, they can demand there be real solutions.
All the people that signed the petition should let the homeless move in their homes then They can deal with the problems, maybe hopefully change them back into shape to rejoin society as a productive member's " good little sheep's"
In Poway they are building a lot of low income house....yet no new roads. Poway doesn't have a trolley. Has very few bus routes. Also our water is not connected to the rest of the county. So now with so many new units they are going to raise our rates by 27 percent next 3 years to pay for upgrades. Our tax dollars to build new homes...just to make our commutes longer(Poway rd much?) And raise our utilities. Screw the house push...if they want to build in small areas they should be made to pay for all the improvements needed. Roads bus stops maybe a bypass or new freeway entrance.... But nope nothing. Just higher density population and a the problems and higher rates that come with it.
Interesting. Of course, "hostile architecture" is a marketing term used by "homeless advocates." Actually these are techniques designed to resist "hostile occupation" by homeless and other lawbreakers who selfishly impose their inconsiderate behavior on others.
Where do they expect these people to go the world belongs to all of us this entitlement needs to stop stop treating homeless like crap or karma will come for you people have more compassion for dogs then for humans
Yup. When he defunded them that’s when more people starting hitting the street. Also we need to fund fight mental illness from an early start so less people end up on the street. And help our vets. Cause once people are just so sad and feel lost is when the drug and alcohol comes in and than they get worse. Most homeless people that are addicts don’t become addicts until they’re on the street and not before.
How about some hostile architecture in the capital, to prevent people from getting too comfortable. Well call it "term limits."
Yeah kick those squatters out.
Agree
How about some hostile architecture at our border! 😠
Amen
If tomorrow a age limit of 70 years old was instituted for the US senate, over 71 percent of the senators would have to retire immediately. We need mandatory age limits on public office!
My dad said he almost never saw homeless in CA until the mental hospitals all got defunded decades ago.
Yes, that's what I've heard as well. Republicans wanted to do it for the money. Democrats wanted to do it because it was "cruel and inhumane punishment". Plenty of blame for the idiots on both side of the aisle.
Thanks Reagan
Deinstitutionalization indeed created this.
yep
it happened all over the country
Part of the problem is the middle classes getting hosed every time there is an economic catastrophe. 2001, 2007, and 2019 all have pushed some people out into the streets, and others from gaining any economic security, while trillions of "dollars" have been printed and interest rates dropped to 0% to give free money to bankrupt corporations. All our taxes are going to keeping rich people in power instead of creating a strong country.
I don't agree. Anybody willing to work can keep a roof over their heads.
buy silver and gold
Notice how all our rulers nowadays are about 80? Some of them, like Biden and Feinstein, suffer from obvious dementia.
“How do we help the homeless?”
“Giant uncomfortable shard rocks everywhere!”
“You sir, get a raise”
-your friendly local government
🤣
Works for me.
We as tax payers have payed roughly 80,000 dollars for every homeless person in San Diego. The money goes where? That’s enough for them to have a small apartment and weekly allowance. Somehow the tax money goes in to a magic box that has been used to make them uncomfortable
They don’t use the programs properly and go back to using drugs and being scumbags
@@Vargas9215
Why not use that money to fly the homeless out to different cities throughout the United States just exactly the same way the biden administration is flying immigrants all over! Reducing the overall numbers will help
Why are they entitled to ANY money from hard working, law abiding citizens?
ThT money doesn’t magically appear, it’s stolen from working people.
@@johndough201 you could but a lot of airplane tickets for 80k. But shipping them out doesn't fix the problem. If I understand the numbers correctly, the 2/3 of California homeless are addicted or have mental illness. The governor is spending money on building facilities (to lock them away), but you know that's not going to work. As for the other 1/3, they either want to be jobless and homeless or just can't afford housing because of outrageous building restrictions of the cities in question. All those tech sector people don't want homes for the poor to tarnish their neighborhood. As evidenced by the much higher rate of homelessness in California, it is an entirely homegrown phenomenon.
True, we as taxpayers do our part in the sense that money from our paychecks is taken for programs to house them but the middlemen are the ones siphoning that money into their own pockets
They will do anything but make housing affordable with a regular job 🤣
In Poway they are building a lot of low income house....yet no new roads. Poway doesn't have a trolley. Has very few bus routes.
Also our water is not connected to the rest of the county.
So now with so many new units they are going to raise our rates by 27 percent next 3 years to pay for upgrades.
Our tax dollars to build new homes...just to make our commutes longer(Poway rd much?) And raise our utilities.
Screw the house push...if they want to build in small areas they should be made to pay for all the improvements needed.
Roads bus stops maybe a bypass or new freeway entrance....
But nope nothing.
Just higher density population and all the problems and higher rates that come with it.
There is no housing affordable enough for drug addicts.
@@chadwickciampo3634 rents are so high bc of a housing shortage. After 15 years low income housing can be reused as anything. 272,000 san diegans qualify for low income housing.
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@@homefulsolution didn't say anything about rent price.
But I do agree with you.
But instead of just giving developers free reign to build dense population into areas that are not yet equipped for it....Poway.
We should force the developer and the Cali government to make all necessary improvements to infrastructure before if not while they are bursting our town at the seems with new people.
Don't get me wrong.
I know we have a housing problem and Poway has land to build. Let's do it.
But man...right on Poway road? There's so much land to build yet they want the easy way out...they don't want to anger the cyclist or the green activist.
So much land...yet let's build it right In the middle of town and connect it all to the old systems instead of the rest of the county from the start.
But this mentality of build higher build denser.....in Poway? With out a trolley station? With like 3 bus routes?
You ever try to get out or into Poway during rush hour?
I assume you know the woes of Mira Mesa and Mira Mar road.
Poway isn't much better and it's now only going to get worst.
I'm looking at empty hills where house and new roads and freeway entrances can built....but instead let's put a bunch of three story building in the middle of town.
Hills that are closer to the 15...closer to Mira Mesa and the trolley station
All at the tax payers expense.
Besides all that....what actually angers me is this.
Poway doesn't have a water source connected with the rest of the county. Would be fine if we kept our current population...or say grew at a reasonable rate?
How about the rolling blackouts outs every...single...summer. everytime.
Instead they are ramming in all these new building in and expecting the citizens to fit the bill.
They are raising all of Poway rates to pay for improvements to the infrastructure.
27 percent increase in the next 3 years.
That is official information. Look it up.
Why not make the developers and the government pay for it...oh because it's easier to just take my money i guess.
As for rent price....I agree with you. It's not right. And something has to be done.
It's not just rent prices that make a place livable....what about utilities?
I'm not a fan of government setting prices....but man people here are taking advantage of a bad house situation.
I have 30 homeless living on my street....it's a nightmare!
They throw away junk right into the street
Good luck dude. I feel so sorry for you.
you need a flamethrower- the surplus stores always disable them before they sell them- KILLJOYS!
Do what people do to nuisance pigeons. Poison them. I don't see a difference...both living, breathing creatures. But people are more disgusting than pigeons.
@@jmb1666 if you Poison them and get caught; prepare for a life in prison. Not advisable.
Make a garbage can for them?!
This can of course be done, but the homeless will just move a bit elsewhere. They'll still exist, unless the homeless advocates take them into their homes.
And y u exist u bring nothing to this world
Hell will freeze over before that ever happens. Homeless advocate groups spend the money they raise on lawyers that advocate enabling this vagrancy in court.
Why do people get mad when they vote clowns in office when their city begins to look like a circus.
JUST THE WAY WHITE PEOPLE THINK
And what would right wings nutjobs have done different?
Cause America am be racist, money am not da issue da issue am money
But everybody loves the circus.
It's "The Greatest Show On Earth".
Ahhahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahaha it’s not going to work, it’s only going to get worse and they deserve it
I've seen several youtubers interview these homeless.. they don't want to abide by the rules set forth for the drug treatment programs, they don't want to quit drugs, and they don't want mental help. You can't force these people get to help.
Yeah im seeing single elderly put on the street because apartments are no longer taking section 8 vouchers..the drugs they want they cant get anymore because they don't have a address so they dont have a bank account and so they lose their ssi payments as well...not everyone is a drug addict, stop believing the propaganda
Very ignorant statement
@Sam Choi the government and random people
A lot of the newcomers are families fallen into hard times who lost their homes due to sky rocketing rents. Not all of them are the same, some do need help and want it! I know this because I fell on hard times during my divorce and nobody wanted to help me. Thank God I finally did get what was needed. 🙏
What a stupid conclusion.
Go live on the street for a year and pull yourself out of abject poverty and then you can judge the mindset, ignorant ingrate.
If the people in the homeless community weren't so hostile to their surroundings maybe people would be more willing to put up with tents everywhere. It's not the tents it's the 10 truckloads of trash that surround the tent.
What’re ur race is I wish that group would not be so one minded
This is a great idea, if people are so concerned about an armrest on bench, let them in your home.
This does nothing but move them to other places. Doesn't solve anything.
Out of sight out of mind
Hopefully it moves them closer to a wood chipper and they fall in...
The farther they can move away, the better off their intended victims will be.
@@kendrahansen1175 what a snarky response from a b***
@@kendrahansen1175 hopefully you end up in one sooner than later
The homeless are not going to go away, no matter how much they are shuffled around.
And you know it is going to get worse real quick...
That's right, you gotta stay out of the way
its almlost like housing them would break that cycle of shuffling around wouldnt it 🤯
@@MaySpitfire you should do a ride along with firefighters dealing with this. You would see housing doesn’t solve anything. It almost makes it worse they destroy the building / apartment. There needs to be a change. I don’t think we have a homeless problem, we have a mental health and drug problem.
@@awesomeone2979 cut off their drug supply?
Not saying this is the case, but I've seen interviews with homeless where they openly admit that they want their freedom, so rather than abide by the rules of a shelter, they set up a tent and live how they want. I'm sure most of these instances (if not all) are situations like that because there are plenty of shelters for them.
As someone who once was homeless, homelessness is a big problem in many communities. The goal of any community should be to get homeless people off the streets into safe shelters, into programs that treat whatever condition may be responsible for that person's homelessness, and working to reduce recidivism for those who are chronically homeless. Those things combined are a tall order for nearly all communities. I am not against "hostile architecture" but it does definitely need to be used in conjunction with shelters and other programs.
No. You need to stop providing them with food and shelter. Institutionalize the mentality ill. Arrest the druggies and squatters after you burn their belongings. Eventually, they will reform, move, or die.
patrick bateman
Garbage belongs in the garbage dump..
@@lprice5583 As someone who once was homeless, and now earns a six figure salary driving trucks, you are an idiot.
WE have shelters and they are empty. Many dont want rules they have to follow.
I used to be against this. But after living two years with people shooting up heroin and burning trash piles right outside my apartment, I’m all for it.
This architecture just makes homeless folks go do what you're describing somewhere else. It also could have been what lead them to leave where they were previously and come outside your home. If you want this sort of behavior to end you should support better care for unhouse folks so they can overcome addiction and find a private place to stay at where they feel safe.
@@chillcuteboy I fully support that, in addition to universal basic income
I’m just sick of feeling unsafe walking to my car. It’s completely unacceptable, and any methods to solve the safety issue locally in the short term are acceptable at this point.
@@chillcuteboy In Canada, the city of Toronto recently cleared a homeless encampment in a public park which caused a lot of uproar among advocates. Many of the homeless cleared were asked why they were not seeking shelter in one of the city's designated facilities. There were various reasons, but one common one was that they were not allowed to take drugs while staying there, so they decided to live in the park instead.
@@chillcuteboy "This architecture just makes homeless folks go do what you're describing somewhere else." - GOOD, THAT'S THE POINT! Keep 'em moving until they eventually migrate to a city full of ultra-liberal goo-goos like Berkeley or SF or LA that's already ruined by such behavior, or until they finally decide to get their sh!t together and accept help from society, on SOCIETY's terms, not theirs. Vagrancy as a lifestyle choice should be made as uncomfortable as possible for these people.
@iSchmidty13 oh so you're all for "hostile architecture" only when you had enough of the drugs and piles of burning trash?
I've been dealing with homeless in Las Vegas for 20 years doing security. I've met nice ones and I've met bad ones. I don't blame any business for trying to keep their storefront shit, piss and trash free. I can guarantee you there are probably no business owners in San Diego that are against the hostile architecture especially if it helps protect them. The homeless are high or drunk and the rest of them have mental problems they cannot be cured. Very few of them want to be helped and most of them think they're outside of the law and can do whatever they want.
the amount of contempt you seem to have for the lowest rung of society is gross, do some soul searching .
@@MaySpitfire hate to say it, but OP is telling a harsh truth. If you beg to differ, then volunteer your home and time to these people. Your boundaries and patience will be pushed
@@MaySpitfire U don't seem as though you've got a lot of experience dealing 1-on-1 w/hardcore homelessness 5-6 days weekly on an ongoing basis.
@@MaySpitfire Sure, it's all fun and games until they're camped outside YOUR business chasing off YOUR customers. I have to work 40 plus hours a week, I have to pay rent, I have to buy my food, I have to take care of my kids. I have to follow the law. But particular homeless individuals don't have to be responsible for anything I guess. If you really feel that way, you should just let them camp in your yard and outside of your house. Make sure to scrub their feces off of your driveway and your porch. Enjoy their fragrant urine smell that'll fill your property. Make sure you pick up all of their dirty needles and alcohol emptied bottles and cans. And don't you dare complain when they steal from you either. And have fun cleaning up your trash every day after they go through all your trash cans and leave it outside on the ground all over the place 😂
Mayspitfire kind of people don’t volunteer anything but their opinions.
Why arent mental institutions brought back? Why does nobody discuss this? There needs to be a homeless retreat 100 miles outside of the city with buses leaving everyday.
Probably 70% of the homeless belong in mental institutions. They literally can't take care of themselves.
In 1950 the US held about 500K people involuntarily committed in mental institutions. Today, with a population more than twice as large, we have about 35K. Most of the rest are probably out on the street.
There is such a thing as compassion fatigue...and I believe - ALL ACROSS THE COUNTRY - we've passed that boundary.
There are three types of homeless: 1) those suddenly displaced, who will recover, 2) those who are structurally displaced or mentally afflicted (psychologically impaired) and would benefit from outreach, and 3) the deliberately dysfunctional and professionally parasitic whose drug addiction, sociopathy, or simple socially-parasitic personality traits would not benefit from anything. Help group 1 & 2. Group 3 is likely at the root of 95%+ of all the issues festering in today's cities.
Group 3 would be better off being put on an island with all the drugs they want until they coke themselves to death. They get what they want -- free drugs - and we get peace and quiet. We also get to help the first two groups who would benefit disproportionately from community safety nets.
Group 3? Well, offer addiction rehabilitation. 1st time is on us. 2nd time is on them. But let them all steal, fight, threaten, and ruin each other.
Oftentimes it takes a few tries to start rehab & have it stick. Plus long term on going care pretty much the rest of their life.
But yeah I'd give them a second & third try if they're convincing enough.
@@Nirrrina Or they could just not start in the 1st place
Such clarity!!! Thanks for posting this, because I always see people incorrectly generalizing in the comments, but could never arrange my words to describe it.
Yes. I would agree with that.
Great Idea !
This is being done in Washington, DC. There were tent communities under bridges so, the city place big, concrete dividers under the bridges.
There was an entire block of fentanyl addled bums along Oceanside Blvd. last year. It was swept out, hotel rooms offered and then installed large rocks along the entire strip - it worked.
no it didn't work, they're now in different areas lol
@@BoCaineWell, a bunch of them are soaking up tax dollars in hotels. The small business owners on Oceanside Blvd definitely have more peace now. So whatever.
@@BoCaine and besides - people who use "lol" in their writing are not to be taken seriously anyways.
@@out_to_sea you think i saw your comment and took you seriously? WOW! LOL! the irony is lost on you rube
@@BoCaine good for you brobro. Good for you...
That underpass was a violent drug nest. As a senior I had to walk to the store a different route to be safe. Build more please
please explain to me exactly how you think that is going to solve the problem instead of just pushing the problem somewhere else?
@@miraclo3 It solves the problem for people like OP and those that use that area.
I hope it gets pushed all the way to Trump's house!
@@plateshutoverlock or Obama's
That maybe true but have compassion because I have lived in the shelter no addict I have worked all my life ,but my family got hit gentrification in most illegal and the courts are not designed for the tenants,but let me tell u there were elderly women in there if u saw them in the streets u would have never thought all the way up to 88 were she actually had to have surgery on her brain and still had to return to the shelter I say that to say u never know if it’s u gonna need that bench,talm bout build more but no solution like throw them away but society literally tells old ppl to their face ur time is up just die already,u should know how it feels
As a homeless man I have to wonder, why aren't we being rounded up and used as slave labor until we expire? It would save taxpayers on this architecture and businesses could get a bit of free labor, then our bodies could be used to feed the stray dog population or composted and used in community gardens
That's the darkest thing I've read in a while
Soylent Green is Homeless People in America
Fantastic plan, let’s send it to Newsom!
Or you could get a job and stop bothering society with your problems , plenty of charities out there
@@clarence_claymore. I just checked your channel and you don't have a job, lol
I Just had a lady the other day casually walk in our house in north park area and lock herself in the bathroom and tried to shower she left before the cops showed up. Few weeks ago also has a homeless tried to sleep behind my gated trash cans.
In the last 6 months it’s gotten noticeably worse
Lock your door weirdo lol
How about Hostile taking over public sidewalks, public benches and public parks?? How about Hostile assaulting people, cursing and spiting on people. No word about that.
I'm guessing that the do-gooders have their own private parks that they pay money for the privilege of recreational doing stuff in. Scobee Park (hidden by several commercial buildings in East Lake) would be a classic example. The place even has security guards on site to run people out who are not authorized to be there. Ever read about how the Communist elite in the Soviet Union had their own special stores, vacation homes, etc that could not be used by the Proletariats (average working stiffs)? We are going to see (or already are seeing) the same thing here.
@@Harry-nn4px What is a "Do-gooder"? You mean a Normal tax paying citizen?
Dont forget taking over the beach and taking a shit everywere
What's your solution to help the homeless?
Thank you, YES! You are right. Everyone talks about the rights of homeless but we also have rights. The right to walk on the sidewalk and not be hustled, hassled, etc.
I wouldn’t mind having some of them hostile stones in my yard
What would be an even better deterrent would be to make the penalty for vagrancy and loitering be forced commitment to mental health treatment facilities or drug rehabilitation facilities as needed, then mandatory job training as needed. But that will probably never happen when our politicians can make more money by pretending to solve a problem than by actually solving it. Most of these people don't need money or a house, they need mental health or drug treatment and a job.
Yes give them ONE chance (because frankly most of the time this isn't their first try at treatment) and if they don't oh well. You can't force a person to take responsibility for their own self and get help. If they don't want to stay clean and sober or refuse mental Healthcare they should absolutely be punished. Throw them in jail for vagrants and throw that sht in the streets in the garbage because it's litter.
thank you - that's actually what should be done for results
Or put them in a pot
@@sirennoir258 oh yeah just take just violate all their rights
@@user-pm4zg2mw5b they have more rights than other people who break the law.
They have no right to litter. They have no right to sleep on the streets. They have no right to drink on the streets. They have no right to loiter in front of businesses.
Someone falls on these rocks, gets injured, goes to hospital, gets lawyer and sues city.
GENIUS.
The smell of urine and feces , garbage and camping out on hard working peoples property is much more hostile than the “hostile architecture”. People that don’t live like that should not have it forced upon them for various reasons.
hard working people don´t have any property. they rent. and when the rent goes up, they may end up on the streets too.
They vote for those people and policies.
@@dodgro8342 if they choose not to leave a city with some of the highest cost of living in the world. Plenty of affordable cities to live in America.
@@uTommydogs I don´t think those people are capable of thinking straight. It´s a scientific fact that cognitive abilities severely weaken during stress, fear, hunger, depression, etc. Nervous system controls everything in our body. When a person has mental problems, it´s the same as physical. It´s a handicap
@@dodgro8342 Sad to say, but you either get used to the idea of having roommates or you leave the city for more affordable regions. I've lived in San Diego for nearly 40 years and love it here. But if I were just starting out and had any thoughts of having a family I would leave for another state. I know some young couples that did just that.
I would call it Self Defense architecture.
Love that
Thank you! Exactly right. These media outlets forget that the hardworking people who PAY to live in these places deserve to not deal with the homeless!
Lol yes because you live under a bridge
@@happycook6737 you're sad and pathetic.
The reporters outfit was the most hostile thing in the video. Imagine calling rocks and armrests “Hostile”. What about the hostile atmosphere of homeless drug addicts shuffling the streets like zombies?
it's the states fault
Yeah, imagine calling measures to keep your city clean and safe "hostile"
@@HandsomeLongshankscause they’re not cleaning everything up, they’re just moving the “trash” somewhere else.
Those people that signed the petition are more than welcome to bring the homeless into their own home.
Wait untill you are in trouble and become homeless.
Instead of doing stuff to make the homeless uncomfortable, the city could actually do something to help those ppl.
I'm not sure what all the fuss is. There is already a place where homeless go can, it's called Los Angeles.
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But this still doesn't address the problem with homelessness
I believe that for these problems anyone that votes to remove stuff like this should be put on a sanctuary list. So that homeless can camp out at their house. Instead of in the city
As the economy and inflation get worse more and more people will be homeless. You're on that list to fail at some point. It's a shame that it has to happen to some people before they can have empathy.
How about we just make it a criminal offense to be poor and on the street, will that make ya happy? We can replace all the grass in parks with razor wire and broken glass. Instead of counting the homeless on cold january nights, we can have the fire dept drive around and blast the homeless with their hoses. This will drive them out of the city and to some other place where we wont have to look at them.
You like this plan?
Plot twist you end up homeless and when you try to sleep somewhere they're gonna make it uncomfortable for you and when you go to a sanctuary camp on someone's lawn you get pepper sprayed and told to leave.
We need that here in Portland where the homeless practically run the streets, and can legally shit, piss and camp anywhere. Then the city spends thousands removing them only for them to move two blocks over and do it again.
Why do people stay in that city, it’s cold, gray skies, weirdo people and expensive.
@@Micheal1122 They're holding onto the idea that Portland will be normal again. There was always a bunch of homeless people in that city, but after a recent visit, I'd have to say it's like 10x worse than before. There's no way it's returning to normal.
@@cheesyrichard I don’t think I’ve ever seen a homeless person in my city, there are some extremely poor people because it’s México but homeless I’ve seen maybe one or two in 10 years.
Homeless advocates are the real problem. When you support homelessness you get more homelessness.
That's because a lot of them are closet Marxists who are more interested in fomenting class warfare than actually helping the homeless out.
We need forced stay mental hospitals. Alot of these homeless can't take care of themselves. What is more humane to let someone with mental disabilities wonder the streets covered in filth and feces (poop and urine) or to (yes against their will lock them up where they have rules to follow, will get 3 square meals a day and access to a shower on a regular basis). I drive a bus alot of people think that these people can't find jobs ( for a small amount of the homeless that is true but for the majority of them they have mental illness and need help) just cause you give a dollar to a person on the side walk and they sound perfectly sane for a 1 or 2 minute conversation they are most likely not that sane. Try talking to them for a 15 minutes or half hour and you will start to see the cracks. Try dealing with them on a regular basis and you will see the problem. Most people have no idea what these homeless go through. They get beat up they starve they get sunburned BADLY they have fleas in some cases they often smell horrible like your trash can on a summer day x 10. Bottom line is they need help and they don't want help because they have mental issues and alot come from a bad childhood if you listen to their stories. If we want to be humane and do the right thing we HAVE to get these people into live in mental hospitals where they will be supervised every day. Instead we turn a blind eye and call them lazy because we don't want to take the time to understand the problem or spend the tax dollars on live in hospitals to solve the problem. All men and women are created equal (BUT NOT ALL MEN AND WOMEN ARE BORN WITH THE SAME basic MENTAL capabilities) if we call ourselves civilized then we need to give these people the care, facilities and attention that they can not give themselves. This would also free up alot of the programs and shelters for the homeless that are just down on thier luck and have the mental fortitude and capacity to navigate the programs and paper work associated with those programs so that they can get back on their feet and get help. We take better care of animals then we do of humans who are not capable of mental reasoning or understanding Instead we Shun them and push them out to some new place where we don't have to look at them and then we go adopt a rescue pet (sad) these people need hospitals forced stay hospitals where they can get care and help and until we are ready to spend the time and money to do this as well as change are thinking on What are basic human rights (when it comes to someone not being able to care for themselves due to mental handicaps) NOTHING WILL CHANGE.
Yes. This. We're failing a lot of these people. I'm all for complete freedom and autonomy, but you have to have to ability to govern yourself. Once you cannot, it's society's responsibility to step in. If Americans want equity so bad they can start with creating equity for those with disabilities.
Yes I agree with you. How can we expect these people to lead clean productive lives when alot of them clearly lack basic reasoning capabilities. If we want them to get help we as a society have to be the ones to see they get it. Alot of them have a child's cognitive ability. Most of us wouldn't just toss a child to the streets ( I say most not all ) forced stay hospitals are the most humane solution to this problem where they will be supervised 24/7. Will it be free of course not but the choice is either keep kicking the problem of homelessness down the road to the next town or deal with it.
In Iowa, we had mental hospitals and county homes back when I was a kid. Not great. Not perfect. But, the people that ended up there are the ones currently living on the streets. Ronnie and his corporate dudes decided to "save some money" and ceased funding these institutions. The problems didn't disappear, they just changed their venue.
even if they arent forced stay, just HAVING a place you could voluntarily check into easily would be a good start. you can incentivize it with a stipend or something. there can be levels of care. there can be methadone/drug maintenance programs within some of them so people actually stay.
I’m a psych nurse and the mental health infrastructure is pathetic. America needs so many more hospitals, clinics, outpatient programs, residential, dual diagnosis, assisted living and much more
i live in north san diego and i think these solutions are necessary and adequate. southern california is a drain point for the entire countries homeless because of our mild year round weather. we need larger solutions for mental health, etc. but there is a huge problem with perfectly functional people who are satisfied with begging, etc.
I doubt many of them are “satisfied” with begging. They can’t just “get off their ass and get a job,” if it were that easy we wouldn’t have a homeless crisis. The homeless oftentimes don’t have the resources to get work. How do you work 40 hours without getting more than 90 min of sleep at a time? How do you keep a job without access to a shower? And let’s assume they miraculously do find work….what are they supposed to do with their belongings when they’re at work? There’s a lot of moving parts, it’s a complex issue. The money spent on jagged fake rocks would’ve been better spent on almost anything else
@@seanacomedy the homeless have numerous free resources to use but choose not to. They have access to halfway homes to get clean and get help - they choose not to. They have access to advocates to help them - they choose not to. SD offers free storage facilities to store their belongings safely - they choose not to.
@@sterlingmarshel6299You really are a stupid bitch. You know that right?
I was in San Diego four years ago and loved it by the way. We stayed in the Gaslamp District and the first night there I gave $10 to a very friendly homeless man. The next morning I saw him again and gave him another $5 for breakfast. I was sitting at an outdoor cafe and then I started watching him collect money for almost an hour. I figured by the end of the day he was probably making more per day than I did...lol So I declined his future requests for help and told him why. He laughed and told me I was probably right.
I had a similar experience in Daytona Beach. I bought him a night at a motel.
The reason he was able to do that is because of the sheer number of naive people like you.
i'm sure the money went to a good cause- OMG
Good for him, the line between a bum and most salespeople is one gets a check cut while the other collects payment in cash (or doggy bags).
Professional beggers can make some good money
Call the problem what it is and it’s not “homelessness” but open drug dens for junkies who avoid help.
It’s really a mental health crisis. Happy people, secure people don’t start using street drugs. People start street drugs to escape pain from something. I agree homelessness is a problem, but so is lack of compassion.
@@beagoodhuman44 I know plenty of people with difficult circumstances that don't resort to drugs or blaming others!
@@beagoodhuman44 If you want to be compassionate bring out your own money to help…… These “people” don’t want help, they just want to escape from whatever it is in life to live on “easy” street but too afraid to end their own life & be with “so-called” GOD.
@@beagoodhuman44 fentanyl destroys humans physically and mentally beyond the point of repair.
They'll never tell the truth
A homeless person set up a camp in a day infront of my building and literally he brought like bags of trash with him 😒 it's getting really frustrating
There's been a camp by a certain freeway on ramp I use for at least a year now. A few months ago he stole a city garbage can from someone's house, I wouldn't be surprised if the city started providing weekly trash service to it. Might as well give the tent an address at this point.
offer some humanity
@@BoCaine imagine getting chased by a homeless person with a knife because you told him you didn't have change. Literally happened a month ago where I work.
@@oyyoboi6716 wow cool story no one cares
I saw a house in New York that had spikes around the yard to keep away homeless but they were not enough to hurt someone just enough to make someone uncomfortable
It's the opposite of hostile. It's very friendly for those that want to be able to sit and wait for a bus but could not because some bum was sleeping there. It's very friendly for those that want to walk around their neighborhood without the fear of being accosted or stabbed by some drugged-out mentally ill person. Ditto for those that like to walk on streets without used needles, pss and sht all over the sidewalks. Ditto for business owners that pay taxes to keep downtown areas attractive for customers. There are zero urban areas that have made things comfortable for the homeless that have not experienced massive crime, drug use and filth everywhere.
Wait. They have been putting in Hostile Architecture against skate boarders for decades and no one’s says anything about that. Skate boarding is not a crime….
Being homeless isn't a crime either
@@pureblack3363 eristic comment try again
@@pureblack3363 homelessness isn’t a crime but it sure attracts it like a fly over turds.
Actually, in places where there are no trespassing and skating signs, yes skateboarding is a crime.
@@betsykeller9096
In some places, peasants learning how to read or owning property is a crime.
One person working min wage jobs can afford a cheap hotel efficiancy downtown. One a friend was at, 800$ deposit, month 550$ rent. Next bus lines, laundromat, 7-11. Huge lobby, furnished. Roomer provide minifridge, microwave, and tv if desired. Mens showers bathrooms, separate womens showers bathrooms.
If these are still accurate prices please let me know the name. Because everyday I search and I have found NOTHING under $900/mth without a 6 month waitlist
Yeah dude minimum wage ROCKS!
Someone is stuck in the 80's with pricing.
The CITY always says "Mental health care, street outreach, shelters....." yet NOTHING EVER CHANGES because they don't ACTUALLY DO ANYTHING. Vote for the same people, get what you've always got.
Stop shouting, please.
@@scottcharney1091 - Not shouting, adding emphasis.
@@1001Hobbies Ok, but one can use asterisks on either side.
2 words: Water cannon
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Calling hostile architecture as the way to deter homelessness is the same as calling band aids the solution to bullet wounds
1:39 the guy is literally sleeping on top of the rocks.🤣
It's funny until ppl catch on to their attempts to circumvent the hostile architecture. It only ramps up the hostility and the design becomes more vicious.
It’s amazing the money we’ll invest to ignore a problem rather than solve the problem
I visited San Diego in 2008 and they had those benches. Looks like the issue only got worse. Perhaps solving the root cause instead of punishing the bottom would be logical.
I’ve been homeless - it’s not a good idea to sleep in corners anyway. Build more shelters start more programs.
Loved the handouts that everyone else has to work hard for?
@@josec439 I hope hope you experience homelessness.
@@josec439 I’m not homeless anymore that was in my youth - you’d never make a comment like that if you knew how it was and I hope you experience it one day.
@@summer4659 I have been homeless before. For less than a year. I didn’t want to continue to be dependent on handouts or the government so I turned my life around. Took some time but I managed to be get a comfortable life now. I appreciate what I have and I’m grateful. But most of these homeless are content with their life without regards to how it affect the community they’re in
@@josec439 everyone deserves a second third fourth fifth etc... chance not everyone has the capacity to "pull themselves up by their bootstraps" like you seemed to, yet they still deserve to live a life of dignity like the rest of us. I would happily pay to help others less fortunate than myself wouldnt you?
7.2 Billion dollar budget for over 30 homeless programs 2022. Everybody getting Rich off the Homeless. If they were to leave , so would that 7.2 billion budget.. My Daughter got chased for her Purse by a " Homeless Man " down town San Diego ,police came and said they could do NOTHING..because he did not catch her or was able to steal her purse.
. WHAT ? WHAT ? WHAT ?? They don't want them gone. THEY ARE PART OF THE BUDGET NOW AND THOUSANDS OF POLITICAL JOBS..
Yep 22 Million it bought out hotels last year.......however, aint no audit reports this year🤷♂️....with you
You're right. Cities all over the country benefit from people's pain. But the just us system protects a certain part of the population, doesn't it.
Some people call this cruel but these people obviously have made it clear they do not wish to be a part of a functioning society. Anywhere homeless camps pop up crime, garbage, littering, and drugs follow. Here in Portland OR its on EVERY CORNER! These are the will nots, the people who chose not to work or do anything remotely productive. If they made side walk camping and vandalism a prison sentence it might stop. However we all know that will never happen so the only plausible outcome I see is it continuing to get worse and worse and worse.
They love their drugs
@@andrewlee9055 - Exactly right - The homeless do love their drugs and alcohol and that is the root cause of most of their problems.
To those opposed to hostile architecture: let me put it like this. Say you have a small business that gets lots of customers, things are going well. Then a few homeless folks come along to hang out by the doors and ask “spare change” to your patrons. As the weeks progress, you notice a decline in sales. You check the online reviews and they say: “great store, excellent service, but there’s homeless folks loitering outside the doors hankering me for money every time I visit. I’m not a walking ATM, and the owners do nothing about it.” You consider what to do, so you begin to tell the homeless to vacate your business because you feel hostile architecture is mean spirited. They politely say they’ll leave, but an hour later they’re still there. You tell them to leave again, but they stay put. So you call the police to evict them. They finally leave, but they eventually return a few weeks later. Rinse and repeat what previously happened. Frequent police activity and homeless people constantly at your business drive more customers away. This lowers your property values and runs your once prosperous business out of business. All this because you were too good natured to put some hostile architecture up.
But y'all let criminals run out the store with merchandise. It's the government taking tax dollars to waste rather than help folks. No justification for it.
The point of opposing hostile architecture is to rather than waste tax dollars on stupid shit trying to do the out of sight out of mind bs, we use that tax money (and some extra from taxing the rich) and use it to help the homeless find a place to stay, and jobs, rehabilitation if needed. This whole thing you wrote misses the entire argument and is just sad seeing people not recognizing they have fallen victim to the propaganda wrote be rich elitist assholes
Edit: spelling mistake
This feels like a good solution but homeless people are not always bad.
San Diego is artificially inflated prices to a point where it is near impossible for some person or family to not fall in trap of debt and loose everything?
I agree, however 90% is a drug or mental illness. Its not like the Great Depression of the late 1920 to 1930, great migation. When there was a job oppurtunitys, folks took it.
This is lack of California Government accountability, personal accountability, enabling. Woke culutre in California Government. Instead here in SD we focus on bike lanes on 3 miles in a neighborhood. Cant even get that right. Folks forgot last year they spent 22 Million, and bought hotels, where are numbers🤔🤷♂️🤯
That's why people are leaving California! California needs new leadership @
This issue is not caused by high prices. It's caused mostly by untreated mental illness.
@@paulscanter5562 yep.....Jerry Brown, was "woke" Just didn't have a name for it yet.....reduction in Sate Hospitals. Set them free. Freedom has a price, earn it, work it. Nobody is truly free, society's obligations,laws ect. Unless your in Alaska homesteading off the land🤔. So adapt, overcome and improvise, adust accordingly 🤷♂️
@@paulscanter5562 .....drug abuse causes mental illness........ALL SELF INFLICTED.
Either city, county, and state officials are complicite with and facilities HOMELESSNESS in America, or they are grossly under trained to meet the needs of these American citizens. Keep in mind that this situation has been going on since the great depression
Thank you!
Meanwhile, our potato in chief is handing over billions and billions of dollars for another ridiculous war, gave us the highest inflation in decades, the highest gas prices in history, and 58 different genders.
Well done potato voters, well done. 👏 👏 👏
Let me take a wild guess here.... you MUST be a democrat!!!
Well depression era homeless were seeking work for the most part. Homeless today for the most part are homeless by choice. Purely a chemical dependency issue. Then the other side of that is when the majority of state run mental health hospitals closed in the 1960's and kicked out the patients. It's been down hill from there.
@@kcstott chemical dependence is NOT A CHOICE!!!!
You need a $130,000 income for an average rent ($33,072 per year) in San Diego, I am surprised some people are still willing to work for less than $30 per hour.
We need Hostile Architecture in all government buildings to limit all the low life government workers milking the taxpayers dime. Postal Workers, Road Maintenance and Fire Fighters are OK as they are truly needed.
I give it 3 years until we end up like "BLADE RUNNER" .. I can't wait!
I think we are more headed towards "Idiocracy". Welcome to Costco, I love you.
What....🤯🙈🙊🙉..... I guess everyone that owns or rents , from the "unsheltered" is considered " hostile architecture". So for a shelter person walking on a city or neighborhood street, observing unsheltered would be considered a " hostile sight" works both ways.....🤷♂️
Pipe in classical music as a double deterrent, set at elevated levels.
easiest way is to split up the homeless into categories. If someone works but just can't afford california housing prices, help them find a home. if someone just wanna drink booze and do drugs all day, give them all the drugs they want and drop them off in the desert.
I agree. There are different types of homelessness for sure. I am all for helping someone who is homeless because they lost their job, or their rent skyrocketed. But the druggies and the chronically homeless who refuse any kind of help....you're on your own.
In Poway they are building a lot of low income house....yet no new roads. Poway doesn't have a trolley. Has very few bus routes.
Also our water is not connected to the rest of the county.
So now with so many new units they are going to raise our rates by 27 percent next 3 years to pay for upgrades.
Our tax dollars to build new homes...just to make our commutes longer(Poway rd much?) And raise our utilities.
Screw the house push...if they want to build in small areas they should be made to pay for all the improvements needed.
Roads bus stops maybe a bypass or new freeway entrance....
But nope nothing.
Just higher density population and all the problems and higher rates that come with it.
Yeah, Poway is huge now. From all the new 3-5 story apartments and all the Amazon vans driving in and out of there. I
@@malcorub yet no new roads. No new access point or exit points from the city.
Poway is also known as the corridor to the east.
Sucks they are growing our population so much yet aren't doing anything to improve our infrastructure.
At least not for free....Poway citizens have to pay extra for all this new construction which isn't right
… and higher crime, I suppose.
There is a growing encampment under the bridge in Nordahl, by the Escondido area. That seriously needs to get checked out right away. I see suspicious activities everyday I passed under that bridge .
Probably know about it.....city, city council, cops. Turn the other way. Enforce things like parking tickets ect that pay general fund, ot ect. Call osha, EPA a diffrent agency. Those who flock together stay together. Once its in a diffrent agency things start to change...just word from a bird🤷♂️
I just noticed that a week or so ago. Haven't been down that road in a while and was surprised to see it. Something needs to be done about it.
I like the 'hostile' metal inserts on low park walls ect that prevent skate board riders from doing fancy maneuvers on them.
I don't get why you can't just catch them and put them in a homeless camp in a wide open space like the Mojave, where they can put up tents and collect trash to their own content. Only rule is that they can't leave and food and water will be air drop into the camp.
Because they are human beings, not animals. They have constitutional rights. They're allowed to be free here in the U.S.A. But you're probably just a kid so I get it. Just don't ever become a cop.
Whataboutdrvisits,,,,medicalconditionsaremadeworse,,,,,heatsrokes,,,,,,,,,I,,t,,s,,not,,legal anywhere,,,,,compassion
They could have motion activated speaker systems that play annoying music like the Barney song over and over.
Imprison the druggie homeless. Kick the others to the desert.
God is watching
He really is!!!
Looks nice, I'm all for improving the livability of our cities.
then house the homeless.
@@kingmasterlord not my responsibility, why don't you?
Brilliant! At least in Japan, the homeless have enough to class to stay out of sight. They don't block the sidewalks or trash where ever they camp!
Is that right mabe they could teach them how to behave
In the US you can blame homelessness on the republican side of things God forbid the working class makes as much as them or trumps party lmao thank you Republicans
Step 1 - Get rid of Newsom!!
I have mixed feelings about this but sometimes it is necessary to start somewhere I speak to a lot of homeless men in LA they do not want to go to a shelter with rules they like the freedom of their lifestyle it’s hard sometimes they say but it is theirs to live by so I don’t know what the answer is but it cannot go on like this
Doesn’t give them the right to sleep on sidewalks and other public places.
Ummmm🤔.....to simplify this, I like my freedom but I still have to pay bills. Freedom comes from choices we make. So .... unsheltered dont want offered services because of rules. Treat them like Daddy and Mommy did...My House, My Rules....Children aren't free, until they make choices when they are adults to enjoy freedom.
@@michaeltabanao9014 fact: there are 38,000 homeless people on the housing waitlist JUST for San Diego. What is it about the homeless that makes you so jealous? You really make it sound like they're having a blast.
@@homefulsolution 🤔.....jealous...interesting choice of words...I do not do drugs.....check..... ummmmm mental illness, yes at the current moment, because we as tax payers allow this to happen. Wait,🤔 The definition of insanity is....doing the same thing over and over and expecting diffrent results. Nope I am not mentally ill, because I realize there needs to be change.🤷♂️🤯. Love your compassion, however, you can reduce the waiting list. How many rooms does your apartment or house have ? Right, .......what.....cricket's now....Show up then put up......🙊🙈🙉
@@michaeltabanao9014 you need to open your eyes your interpretation of what I said is 180 degrees wrong when was the last time you took the time out of your day to speak with these people, true they put them selves in this situation, but some of them have jobs and can’t afford a place to live so tent or their car is their home
I saw this one guy with a sign asking for money for food at a red light. He was around for months. I one day went into a gas station and he was in there buying scratch-off tickets.
And as an American, he is free to spend his money how he wants. pursuit of happiness and all that.
As soon as the rocks ended, there was a person sleeping right there! NO MORE FLAT SURFACES ANYWHERE!!! LOL
Hostile architecture is a disgusting tactic, but homelessness itself is the real issue. We need to be helping people off of the street.
it's only a disgusting tactic for people who are trying to appear like they are good people by standing up for people who most of the time don't wanna change or not be homeless. Homelessness is an issue but these tactics need to be put in place so productive members of society can keep making money so we can fund some solution to this problem(other societal issues as well) and so we can live without such a big disturbance or even potential harm to our lives. Have some self respect and some respect for the people who do care but don't have the time or resources to do anything about people homelessness, especially when the homeless don't do much of any(if any) good for themselves.
Yep ..🤔. It should have been considered " a hostage situation", for the tax payers to allow 22 Million to buy hotels in Mission Valley, Old Town and Point Loma for "the unsheltered". Whats the numbers on that.......haven't heard anything for a year. CBS 8 should do reporting on that🙉🙊🙈
Still less than what it costs to keep people homeless
@@homefulsolution we should tax you more.....any donations yet ? Any rooms available at your dwelling? Your car would work? What ...🤷♂️.....crickets now🙊🤴
It's so awesome how everyone who has a problem with this has opened up their homes to the less fortunate.
Open your house to them,they probably won't leave. Then you got real problems
Why would assume everyone has a home. Big enough or even a home just to have compassion? Who are these side hoes who birth y’all fr
Some places have tried the radical notion of actually housing the homeless. They find it actually reduces the amount they spend.
I put spikes on wood encasing
a concrete block that a local guy begs from all day. Within that day the spikes were removed. He just uses the money to drink and sit there to drink and sit there. Suckers would donate to him food and the sort. I was one of those suckers once. Even befriended him and found him a new place to stay. He wasn't good.
I use to do the same helping people. I'm done as well
@@dianecelento4974 I feel I let myself down by expecting too much. I don't want it to let it totally withdraw from charity, help, optimistic outlooks, faith in good will but I have put myself in a vulnerable position too many times. I should try to find a balance because it was an imbalance that brought me here. Here I am alone and mistrustful of everyone. I knew beforehand I shouldn't have mixed with that guy but after seeing him outside every day sitting outside for hours.
I believe in helping people! I just help the people who really can't help themselves, like children! Grown men have to help themselves by going to work and taking responsibility for themselves!
I’m done giving them what I need because they are abusing our sidewalks, parks, beaches, neighborhoods, and businesses. I’m sorry but I cannot after I fed a man and lit a cigarette after eating. If they got money for bad habits they need to use that money for food
@@spark2053 They need to work and earn their own living! It's no ones responsibility to take care of grownups who are able!
Homeless advocates? Like, advocating for homelessness? Cuz it doesn't seem like they're advocating for those who are homeless to get their act together. This is perfectly acceptable. Also, ending homelessness means holding people accountable for their actions. You can offer all the help you want, but they're not taking it because they don't want it. Set expectations and enforce laws. A healthy dose of shame never hurt anyone either.
This is Jamestown all over again.
I am a retired police officer ...90 percent of these people are on drugs or drinking.....a lot of mental issues come with this...if you told them they could get free housing, but had to work and take drug tests they would laugh at u.....a lot of them love the street life...wake up at 11 am...free soup kitchens...etc....wake up at 0530 to work.....they would fall over laughing...
@@creampiess sir, I am one of these people. I slept in the park. I slept in laundry rooms. I slept in my car when I had one (until it broke down and I abandoned it). I couch hopped. I WAS (correction) one of these people. I was surrounded by these people. I was hooked on meth. I have mental illnesses, plural. I've been in mental institutions 11 times. 11!!!! And jail 3 times. And I was on probation and in foster care as a youth due to my refusal to get with the program. You're right, asshole, I am special needs. I have one of the top disabilities in America along with several others. Do you feel better about yourself now? I got my shit together. These people can, too. But they will not do it until someone gives them standards to live by. Until someone believes in them and shows them that they are worth more than living in a tent in the park and smoking meth all damned day. Only then will they develop their own standards to live by. Also, *you're. Smartass.
What the eff is the "right kind of help"???? Either you want THE help or you don't. Goddangit. I wish the general public would get a fatherfucking clue.
Geezus. I guess I have to go back and edit my own spelling and grammar. Unlike self-righteous, inhumane, partly-line voters like you, Christopher Lee.
I just, like, I cannot fucking wait for your reply. I cannot wait for someone else, who's never been where I've been, where these people have been, to offer their unimportant and unhelpful opinion on this lifestyle. You must have all the answers. I guess all of the therapy, all 26 years of it, and all of the very real problems, and all of the suicide attempts I have under my belt pale in comparison to your liberal opinion (which is not fact) of what these folks should do with their lives and of what they're going through, of what I should do with MY life, and of what the ACTUAL problems are. Please. Let's have a conversation. I'll tell you about how many rehabs I've been in, the 7 medications I'm on just to keep my wits about me, about the sexual assaults against me AS A CHILD, about how hard it was to get off of drugs, about all of the abusive relationships, about how daddy didn't love me enough, about how I abused my own body and mind because everything hurt too much, about how my self-abuse hurt too much so I finally got a steady job, a place to stay that I pay for on my own, and, again, about how hard it was to get off of those drugs that made me feel so much better mentally and about myself, and, also, about how hard it's been to not k*ll myself TO THIS DAY. Every. Single. Day I have suicidal thoughts. You tell me, since you know so fucking much with your ingenious liberal solutions to all of this, how these people aren't DYING on the streets NEEDING, absolutely NEEDING someone to tell them to CUT THIS SHIT. You don't know shit about that. Go 'head, tell them to their faces that they are worth more than life on the streets. That is what they need. This is what I needed. SOMEONE, ANYONE, to tell me that I can be more than a junky in the literal gutter. I. Used. Drugs. In. The. Gutter. You think you're doing anyone any favors by allowing people to live like this? This isn't a life. This isn't freedom. These people, these humans, deserve much more than this, but you can't see past the end of your own nose. You're not helping anyone with your worthless, stupid, online opinions, keyboard warrior. If you think I don't know what the problems are, you're so UNBELIEVABLY wrong. I have survived the problems!!!!!! Despite my own best efforts to stop living on this earth. Get. Bent.
How's this for special ed: I'm in college now working on a SECOND, yes, a SECOND degree, and I'm afforded "special ed" accommodations under federal law to ensure that I have a fair shot at what everyone else does, to ensure EQUITY (not equality, which is absolute liberal bullshit and will never exist because nature never intended for equality among sexes or species). Does that make me less than you??? The federal law protects me against bigots like you. I can outthink and out-wright you any day. I've worked HARD for those skills. You have clearly not. I have worked VERY hard to learn how to reframe my thinking and to think independently. Don't you EVER tell me who and what I am. I know myself better than I ever have in my whole entire 38 years on this earth as a woman. As a human being. Don't you DARE. You. Will. Not. Win any intellectual battle against me. If you're gonna tell someone they're retarded online, start with good grammar. Cuz you looked stupid at your very first word.
@@US_ARMY_25_INF._DIV. I worked my ass off to get out of that life. WORKED. MY ASS OFF. My father is a retired police officer. I never had a problem with authority. I had a problem with personal responsibility. Thank you for your service.
I would like to add that my NOW father adopted me and is not the father who led to the daddy issues mentioned in the reply to the POS 'helpful' liberal above.
@@danchamberlain6069 it really is. This is mind control at its best.
I think my eyes are still burning from that ladies bright yellow clothes. Professional has really changed, I guess I'm lucky she is completely clothed when 90% of people in media wear basically underwear.
And it's usually the ones you don't want to look at who show the most skin
How did that San Diego news channel train a tennis ball to do such a believable job as their remote news journalist?!
If the city won't take action, the people have to. I'm glad I live in a city that lets cops do their jobs and it never gets to be an out of control problem like it is within San Diego city limits.
They should demand action every day
its easy to sweep everything under the rug when you have no conscience, humanity or empathy
@@BoCaine How's that working out for these cities that are operating purely out of emotion and have no plan that actually works and no accountability with the billion spent?
Woof
@@norwegianblue2017 which cities are you talking about exactly? theres none like the one u describe.
I welcome any deterrent of major homeless encampments. People shouldn't have to work hard for 50 years to live amongst filth and crime. That's ridiculous.
If there was any kind of social saftey net for those people who work hard but sometimes fail so they can get back on their feet and be productive citizens it wouldnt be as big of an issue. Instead when someone fails we just have contempt and shun them, backwards society.
I absolutely agree that there should be more done to help the downtrodden, but I also am so tired of feeling like I’m walking around a post-apocalyptic society.
*_THAT NEON YELLOW OUTFIT WAS HOSTILE FASHION !!_* And I actually love it ...
You could still set a couch or box spring and mattress on top of those rocks and be just fine
Homeless people shouldn't be allowed to put tents on the streets. Period. If they don't want to follow the rules of shelter and want to continue taking drugs and live like the streets belong to them only by urinating and destroying public property, then they should be told to take the bus or train and go somewhere else.
Seriously, go spend the night in a shelter before you judge. I have. I would choose the streets. I had 3 male staff members offer to take me home. How sweet. They assumed I was on drugs, thought they could take advantage. I wonder how many addicts they actually assault like that. Its crazy.
@@minachoo-ho1362 so are you saying that all male or female staff members in all the shelters are like this? You know that's not the case. It's unfortunate with what happened to you. These people who tried to take advantage of you should be punished. However, this doesn't mean that streets become the home of those who need shelter and that public property is ruined and unhygienic living conditions are allowed to be carried on.
@@ppraish I get that. But Shelters are not always a safe haven. No most women workers are not looking to take in homeless men for sex. But the male workers are different. It's low hanging fruit for them. There are also pimps/drug dealers in these shelters scouting for new girls. There are bad cops, judges, and pastors. So surely you don't think these shelter workers are saints. Women shelter workers often work for pimps too. Homeless men are rarely the target. Homeless women are extremely vulnerable so it attracts predators. That's why telling someone to blindly just go to a shelter is worse. The people are ALIVE. Screw your public property. It can be replaced. That's what's wrong with this world. We value property over life. People should stop spending so much to live there. Let the homeless have the city, and watch how quickly they respond. The ones with income can afford to leave. Yet they complain about the ones who can't even afford to live?
@@minachoo-ho1362 sorry I disagree with you. People are not meant to live on the streets. That's why there's a house, apartment, shelter, etc. If someone has major problems with shelters, I'm pretty sure they can complain to the senators, government representatives. There's good and bad people everywhere. Homeless people have created a mess in San Francisco, Los Angeles. I couldn't believe my eyes the number of tents I saw in Los Angeles and the filth and graffiti. The public places belong to the residents and businesses in those cities as well. They have the right to live there and maintain cleanliness and hygienic living conditions. The last thing you want is taxpayers to leave the city and the state since their taxes support various government programs, even for the homeless people. Also these homeless tents turn away visitors as well and people feel threatened when they see homeless people attacking and killing others. There are real life stories of homeless people getting killed and robbed by other homeless people when they live on the streets in their tents. It's not safe for them even on the streets. if a shelter is sexually abusing the homeless people it's supposed to support, then that should be reported to the mayor, Governor, senator, etc. Not everybody is corrupt. The homeless people can't just tell the residents and businesses to go screw themselves and let homeless people do whatever they want. This is selfishness on their part. That's not how a society is supposed to function.
@@ppraish LMAO! Tell who? You are big trippin. Nobody believes them nor cares what they have to say about poor shelter conditions. If the conditions in the shelter are worse than the streets that speaks volume. Exactly, if all tax payers leave and the officials are stuck with only the homeless maybe they'd do something. The people that can afford to leave should leave or stop paying. I heard Utah has a low homeless rate. The homeless are residents as well, that's what the housed residents don't understand. When thousands of residents cannot afford to be housed the government needs to do something about housing, not create deterrents that won't solve the issue. Like I said, if you've never been there, you won't understand. I too used to think there was help for the homeless. There isn't. It's truly devastating. The tax payers have more control than the homeless, they can demand there be real solutions.
It's their property. They can do as they please.
You mean trash our beautiful city?
So your opening up squatters rights.. Do you have a nice house ?🤔
All the people that signed the petition should let the homeless move in their homes then They can deal with the problems, maybe hopefully change them back into shape to rejoin society as a productive member's " good little sheep's"
Years ago this headline would be "Using 'hostile architecture' as a Skateboarding Deterrent".
Building bike lanes, but not building housing... i don't get it
In Poway they are building a lot of low income house....yet no new roads. Poway doesn't have a trolley. Has very few bus routes.
Also our water is not connected to the rest of the county.
So now with so many new units they are going to raise our rates by 27 percent next 3 years to pay for upgrades.
Our tax dollars to build new homes...just to make our commutes longer(Poway rd much?) And raise our utilities.
Screw the house push...if they want to build in small areas they should be made to pay for all the improvements needed.
Roads bus stops maybe a bypass or new freeway entrance....
But nope nothing.
Just higher density population and a the problems and higher rates that come with it.
Native American, Filipino, Hispanic and Dutch.......I think thats 1/4 Dutch that employed that idea.
So unsheltered folks can ride bikes 24/7.....🤔. Nevermind thats what the Trolley and Million Dollar library is for. My bad
Interesting. Of course, "hostile architecture" is a marketing term used by "homeless advocates." Actually these are techniques designed to resist "hostile occupation" by homeless and other lawbreakers who selfishly impose their inconsiderate behavior on others.
As Jesus said in the Gospel.
Oh, like the spikes they put on things to keep birds off. Do we hear and see ourselves doing this?
Fantastic 👏🏻 We need MUCH more hostile architecture
That's a really flippant comment. Just wondering if you are part of the "I got mine .. screw everyone else" crowd?
Where do they expect these people to go the world belongs to all of us this entitlement needs to stop stop treating homeless like crap or karma will come for you people have more compassion for dogs then for humans
Nobody told you to be lazy on drugs get a fkn job like the rest of society
Bring back the asylums, one of the worse thing Reagan did was defunding them.
Yup. When he defunded them that’s when more people starting hitting the street. Also we need to fund fight mental illness from an early start so less people end up on the street. And help our vets. Cause once people are just so sad and feel lost is when the drug and alcohol comes in and than they get worse. Most homeless people that are addicts don’t become addicts until they’re on the street and not before.
Good! The rest of us shouldn’t have to put up with their filth and crime.
If they want homeless people then you take them to your home
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