PG&E Water Emergency UPDATE 29 April 2024 Nevada County CA.
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- Опубликовано: 16 май 2024
- Now we learn of 4 major PG&E Infrastructure failures that prevents the flow of water from Lake Spaulding into local NID (Nevada Irrigation District) water distribution system that serves over 23,000 customers.
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The simple fact is that the infrastructure has been neglected for decades... heads need to roll at PG&E.
Thanks again Juan.
That's what you get what you "privatize" essential services. This all needs to be returned to control of the state and get rid of the for profit elements.
@@weschilton you think a government-run agency that can't be sued would be more efficient?
@@weschilton Yeah we have the same problem in the UK with privatised water companies.
@@weschiltonthis has nothing to do with privatization, but all to do with the Byzantine rules, regulations and costs in California.
The notion that the incompetent, corrupt, bloated state and its unions will do a better job is mistaken.
The first thing that would happen is that workers would spend weeks in DEI courses as the state continues to crater.
My favroite saying from Mark Twain: "Whiskey for drinking, water is for fighting over". The water movement infrastructure is aging. 😢
When the guy in charge shows up at a meeting and is asked , "What happened" and he shrugs his shoulders ,you know you're screwed .
It works for the hearings in DC
no accountability at any level😢
I forget how complicated some of our California water systems are.
Thanks Juan for such a complete report on whats known so far.
Being from the east coast where we don’t have water availability problems (typically) it’s amazing what has been done in CA to bring water to places there isn’t any.
Astounding.
WOW....yes what an infrastructure system.....both water and electricity....
the first few graphs Juan posted pertaining to the "system" looked absolutely mind boggling...
I think it's not that we "forget" about the systems, I think it's that we just don't understand what's involved...so complicated.
@@tim850csi and some of the water ways were hand dug by gold miners in the mid 1800's. So the generators today are where a lot of mining/hydroliking activity took place.
I've dealt with PG&E as a contractor a lot. Told them that I needed to take a section out of service for repairs and they said "oh we can't do that right now, there's no bypass on that" and when asked WHY there was no bypass on a critical piece of infrastructure that replied something along the lines of "oh the system works perfectly as long as nothing breaks." Feels like that sums up the company as a whole pretty well. Delay everything until it finally becomes an emergency.
Hahaha, "it works fine as long as nothing breaks" 🤣
Negligence could be a crime.
The government protects these scummy utilities
There is money available from ARP
ALL utilities are like that. I used to run a company that inspected utilities infrastructure, it's horrific and they just don't care at all - in fact, they absolutely don't want to know about problems.
Only Juan will present a topic and then fly you there to see it in person. Love it. Thanks Juan.
Juan is THE MAN!
PG&E after its first criminal probation was characterized by the judge overseeing the probation this way: “In these five years, PG&E has gone on a crime spree and will emerge from probation as a continuing menace to California." PG&E needs to be broken up, and its board and execs need to be in prison.
Good ole California the peoples republic
Their negligence cost us over 50 MbF of our best timber. But their quarterly report was great! 🤬🤬🤬
I propose an entity that gets to keep Diablo Canyon, the hydro projects, the geothermal projects and the gas fired plants. The other entity can have the wind and solar farms… and can inherit the current management team.
@@BrownEyePinch Shall we take a peek at Tejus... How about Louisiana?
@@BrownEyePinchlazy comment Harry, do better
I've seen this scenario over and over. Management differs maintenance over and over. By the time the crap hits the fan, everyone has forgotten how they got into the crisis situation. In the meantime, those responsible have received the bonuses and accolades and moved on to new hunting grounds to screw up.
PG&E has had a decade of drought to do maint. and repair. Have they been sitting on their butts this whole time?
They are political, so, yes.
The right question ! $$$$$$$
They've been trying to put out fires...
Apparently a lot of discussions without actually doing anything productive.
I am sure they would tell us “we’re working very hard”. But as Winston Churchill said, “It is no use saying ‘We are doing our best.’ You have to succeed in doing what is necessary.”
Imagine these local water official's surprise at suddenly having their business (usually serving 26K customers) aired worldwide by an aviation channel with nearly a half-million subscribers.
Show many people take clean, healthy water for granted when they turn the closet on they expect to get it. They don't have a clue as to how tenacious and precarious water systems can be.
Or electric power, I run power plants. I’m at work some nights pulling my hair out in the dead of winter, just to keep things running.
"turn the closet on"?
@@GeekBoyMN The OP may be using voice to text, so "faucets" became "closets". Gotta have a good imagination to read comments these days! We also see "tenacious", which is probably supposed to be "tenuous".
@@lizj5740 I was having a little fun with the funny typo. "Show many" was funny too but then "closet" jumped out at me.
this dude sucks speaking his own native language. tenacious? closet? dafuq
Not a fan of PG&E since they torched our home in Paradise, CA.
Stop yer whining.... you want lights when you turn on the light switch dont cha?
Seems Fate Did That and with the initiation of a power company possibly of not expecting an act of God...
@@terrancestodolka4829 An act of what? A fairy tale?
@@glennschlorf1285 Try using common sense which I know is hard for the left. They could bury the lines.
The CEO's house is fine
@2:45 Loved, "Let's go up in the Huskey"
Where is the California Public Utilities Commission in all of this? No answer required. I already know their stance in all matters pertaining to all things related to P.G.&E.
I watched that zoom meeting you linked to with great interest, thank you Juan. I thought your technical questions were excellent and to the point, and i noticed the NID Managers body language spoke volumes while you asked them. It was a great opportunity for a 'passive bystander' like myself to witness how a large critical infrastructure company interfaces with their customers representatives.....'Time for the Force Majeure' i suspect.
i totally understand Juan. I still look forward to your updates on this profound story. @OfficialBlancoliriob
PG&E used to tell people in Sonoma County (where I used to live) that they couldn't afford to underground the power lines. And then the fires of 2017, 2018 and 2019 happened. Now they're walking their statements back and are more than happy to underground the lines.
It's a criminal enterprise as far as I'm concerned.
“More than happy to underground the lines.” No they aren’t, they’re doing it because they have no other option due to political pressure. It’s going to cost $10 billion and who gets stuck paying: ratepayers. What most of the fools on here don’t realize is that PG&E is heavily regulated. Everything they do has to go through the government, this being one of those things.
And what you DON'T know because you're the general uninformed public, is that the CPUC told PG&E once they started the undergrounding that it was WAY too expensive. The CPUC did nothing but threaten PG&E with millions in fines if they didn't underground. Now the CPUC backpedals and screws PG&E. The CPUC wants PG&E to stop undergrounding and coat the existing powerlines in an insulated coating. So basically they have to find a way to coat 1.5 million miles of power lines. It's impossible.
The smart thing would have been to consider underground a long time ago. I can speak from my lifetime experience of a family business of HDD (horizontal directional drilling), we've already seen and or heard across Pennsylvania and Ohio, how much underground utilities (cable, internet, phone-- fiber, electric) have saved towns where it counts in the short/long term. For example, many rural areas don't get good service from existing internet/phone/cable services but have been afforded much more reliable service by going underground.
What saved tremendously is the electricity being underground, instead of losing power when there's a bit of wind, homes being burnt down due to existing transformers, or lines falling and creating a myriad of horror stories to include losing service and access to emergency services.
Yes, putting utilities underground cost more up front but that money is quickly recovered and those who received the power underground vs traditional seem to be quite happy. I have no dog in this fight, we have no shortage of customers, and we are constantly working on the east coast etc. But if it's something beneficial, speak up, let your local officials know what you want and how you feel.
Apologies for run ons and rambling, I'm a bit passionate about speaking up to prevent future crisis/emergency situations that are foreseeable (fires especially in CA/ Hawaii etc) take care & be blessed.
It's a government sponsored criminal organization if you don't think their actions aren't sponsored by the people they bought off in government think again.
Thank you Juan. Always comprehensive reporting. It’s really sad the state of the infrastructure of California. This is only one small part of a major problem State wide. PG&E has really had an over abundance of problems but all of the state water, transportation, etc infrastructure is in the same poor state of repair. Where does all of our money go 🤔????
Wall Street thanks you for your donation.
Your state government is a nasty joke ! They should all be in prison - 😮
Apparently it doesn’t go toward successfully tackling real problems. Their DEI programs are thriving, however.
USA is one of the least expensive public utilities yet has very low customer per mile numbers. Sounds like a recipe for hope and pray 🙄
@@bobwilson758 PG&E is not the government, it is a private entity, Dedicated to profit distribution above all else.
So the question I have, as a former Californian, every time Pigs, Goats and Elephants did a rate hike, where did that money go? Obviously not into infrastructure maintenance, so who’s pockets?
Stockholders.
Shareholders ofcourse, those are the mostest importantest people in the entire world.
at least some of it went to hiring a team's worth of people to write new procedures and rules and paperwork that don't address the core issue at all.
They've been too busy with their solar and wind projects.
Regulatory Black Hole. And Pensions
"Spaulding , watch your language!" -- Ted Knight R.I.P.
"Three cheers for Captain Spaulding, three cheers for Captain Spaulding, three cheers for Captain Spaulding" . Harpo brings three chairs.
“Are you gonna eat your fat?”
You'll get nothing and like it!
PG&E is a prime example of corporate corruption.
Paired with government corruption. They go hand in hand.
PG&E = Public Graft & Extortion
Its a prime example of what happens when government puts a thumb on the scale to allow a company to operate as a monopoly.
@@Swiggityswagger One has nothing to do with the other. How do you think a state can open up the power market? It would be next to impossible. No company that provides the utilities, such as power, gas, and water lines could ever compete if they had open competition-that is one reason you never see more than an electrical or water company in one area. Stuff like electricity and water needs to be controlled by the State and Federal government, not private companies that have no issues selling it to the highest bidder and screwing the taxpayers that need the water and power to live.
It takes billions just to lay down the pipes the the water, gas, and electricity. If you think companies just going to start lying their own pipe and trying to compete with other companies, you really should go back to college and take business 101.
I'd grant you incompetence, and a strong preference for avoiding blame.
Around 2000 when I was in High school, geology teachers talked a lot about the next precious resources, and that it will be water, and I thought it sounded outlandish compared to oil or gold. Well here we are.
And probably the #1 biggest water users in the state are the billionaire philanthropic Resnicks of SoCal with their almonds and pistachios in the central valley. Anyone remember the light brown apple moth (LBAM), Suterra, Roundup, and agent orange?
119 years that PG&E has had, and they STILL can't manage their resources. So if there is a fire downstream from that pipe break there is no water to FIGHT the fire. It used to be that PG&E would have issues with Gas and Electrical inadequate management... Throw water in the mix, and I agree PG&E should be broken apart like AT+T back in the day, and have either the state to take over managing those resources or privatization.
I wonder how many of the board, actually know directly anything about the water system they are overseeing?
Who’da thunk that an overly convoluted cockamamie scheme would be so susceptible to failure? Fantastic insight into these issues.
Juan Brown.
The best dam reporting on RUclips!
Love your updates!
Aviation was my first love. For some reason I find all this water supply information fascinating. 🎸
I knew you’d be covering this fiasco the second I heard about it. Thanks as always for your excellent all facts coverage of yet another water and PG&E fiasco.
I can’t imagine how frustrating it is to have full reservoirs with water being spilled and having to conserve water.
I look forward to your awesome coverage!!! Thanks, Jaun!!😊
We can take care of the infrastructure soon after the Management wage increase and bonus.
Lol
Plenty of water under their yachts and in front of their vacation homes
When I was at Roseville High School in the mid 70's our science class took a field trip to the Drum powerplant
4/30/24..Howdy Juan from New Orleans area. Always watch & much enjoy your channel & educational/informative videos. Today your presentation of water supply problems combined with your flying over the mountainous regions clearly showing severe vertical drop off areas explains the difficulty engineers & workers have to overcome. Amazing to see, from my New Orleans geography point of view, just how difficult repair/rebuild activities will be. Great video from your Husky looking down at your geography! Also great graphical presentations, side profile views, of your power station #1 & it's inflow/outflow path to various streams for ultimate public drinking water & irrigation requirements.
Another great educational presentation Juan! Much enjoy & appreciate all your time & expense to show all we YT viewers. ✅️👍A+😊
Who would have thought that getting water to flow downhill would be such hard work?
Gosh and golly.
We make it hard because it has to be engineered
The trick is getting it to flow from where it is, to where you want it to be.
Very informative Juan, as usual. Keep up the good work!
Lake Spaulding… YOULL GET NOTHING AND LIKE IT!!!
Rather looks like some seriously deferred maintenance.
(If it ain't broke, don't fix it?)
If it ain’t broke. Keep fixing it , till it is ..
I was offered a job working in the High Sierras as a maintenance technician for a local water and power utility organization. The job was a remote position that required a snowcat to travel from the jobsite to the nearest county road during the snowy winter months.
I wonder if PG&E could place 1 or 2 large pumps at the reservoir. Then pump thru 8” or 12 “ lay flat hose to the canal. Bypassing the power plant ?
These are the types of pumps & hoses are used in the oilfield to move large volumes of water.
They could but it needs to two large pumps and manifold 4 12 inch lines off each pump but also it’s going to siphon pretty good downhill lines might collapse
There's no way you can drop in portable pumps big enough to move enough water. You'd have to build a new pump station with multiple huge pumps and probably 4-foot diameter or bigger pipe just to get the water over the dam.
@@chrishauser5505 just enough to get some water down stream. Definitely not going to flow the volume of a 56” pipe.
@@redmesa2975 true that, only has to be better than whats there currently 👍
Up here they lay and bond plastic pipes (large) seemingly overnight to bypass workings and failures for miles at a time you can see the old rough roadbeds that could be used for such things. It's going to cost money either way.
Sounds like periodic maintenance inspections and valve exercising were not performed.
Thank you, Juan, for another excellent presentation on CA water issues. The clarity of your presentation makes understanding these seemingly complex matters, a lot easier to understand.
Now, this water issue at NID is far removed from where I live (in the Central Valley), so why did I even watch this presentation? It is simply because I put a lot of faith in the topics that you report on, and I have a lot of trust in your judgement.
In the past several years (since you first started reporting on the Oroville Dam crisis), you have basically been the sole voice of information on critical water issues within the entire state of California, You even did reports on the amazing resurgence of Tulare Lake, when only a few reports from local TV outlets gave us spotty reports on this, at best.
Thank you for another great report, Juan.
It sounds like PG&E runs just like our government. As they don’t put any effort or very little into maintenance of any infrastructure. Thanks for the report Juan.
Biden Admin has injected massive funds into infrastructure projects in every state, actively being implemented with boots on the ground and jobs in every state.
Din’t conflate and oversimplify.
Thank you so much Juan. I could not make heads or tails about this problem from just reading YubaNet. Even watching the NID meeting, I could not figure things out. PGE guy was no help at all. That is the PG&E way, during storms and water emergencies, they prefer never to bring out their experts into public view or interviews. No one ever gets any details from PGE, and that's the way they like it. The Union has been virtually silent on this critical news items, there are no reporters left who have the time or expertise to report on this.
Good Day Juan & Son. Thank You for a fine public service video explaining one of the water problems, and "what PG&E are doing" to solve the problem/problems... Best Regards. Nice camera work.
Thank goodness for strong thumbs!
Wow. One should always take the time to appreciate one's own region when it comes to natural resources.
Easily the most informative video on this situation, as usual, great work Juan.
Thanks, Juan, I can now refer several of my friends and others to this video...too many people who haven't taken the time to understand how tenuous our water system is in this area. Many, Many years I got a brief unscheduled tour of the Drum Powerhouse, and it was a marvel to behold.
Having dealt with PGE on many issues there is well established track record of deferring maintenance throughout their infrastructure, from generation to delivery, and they do so until deferred maintenance becomes crisis response. While the rockslide on the pipeline is one thing, the other three problems you have documented here smell strongly of crisis manufactured by neglect.
Hi Juan, I’m in Colorado and the big utilities here grabbed up water rights and reservoirs well over 100 years ago, and so the electric companies own quite a bit of the water that makes its way to your home. It’s really a legacy of early electricity generation and not entirely a negative. PG&E isn’t really in the water business, but must maintain all of those pipes and pumps. And I’m happy I don’t work for them, as the challenges those employees face are legion. Be safe.
That’s a pretty serious amount of damage from that slide. Hope everything is corrected in a timely fashion for all of the affected communities. Nice job sir.
As a flat lander from Illinois, it amazes me how they get water or try to through mountains. It’s a monumental task. Good luck. 🙂
Thankful to have 2 high production wells on my property.
Oof. With PG&E's track record, sometimes it feels like a miracle that anyone in California gets any utility service at all. I noticed the 7-day QPF calls for around an inch of precip, and the 8-14 day precip outlook calls for an above-normal chance of rain, so maybe you can buy another week or so of not needing to water. (On a side note, I see the RUclips comment spam bots have found you. Congrats, I guess?)
Thank you for keeping up with this for us!
Thank you Juan.
Thank you for this great explanation of this water issue!!
Thank you for letting us know.
Thank you for the update, forwarded this along to my Sister on Rough & Ready Hwy!
Thanks!
Smashed ! Yikes -
Thank you, keep working.
Thank you Sir for making me smart on this water situation.
Bring on Kewitt.....
Thanks Juan
Wow. Thank you so much for your detail and time invested. Amazing.
Great explanation! Thx
Critical infrastructure should not be in private, for-profit hands. Full stop.
Not even sub-contracted. I say: mobilize the Army Corps of Engineers!
I can’t wait to see how well Cali does low speed “high speed” rail…
“Water, water everywhere, nor a drop to drink”
Most informative (as usual), and graphics. Thanks, Brownie
Regardless whether it's water or air, isn't it astonishing how JB can cover anything and everything without any judgements, opinions, or blame of any sort; instead covering only with facts and sometimes an occasional "good job"?
That't the hallmark of greatness. Long overdue for significant public recognition.
Great coverage. Thanks a bunch.
i remember going in the turbine inside power house one as a kid. i specifically remember the staircase in the long shed next to the tramway i must of gone up and down it 4 times that day. takes like 15 minutes its something like 500 steps if i remember correctly.
Great info
Thanks
Congrats to the young man on the camera work. A fine job!!
I have to say Juan your still photos from the air are awesome. Thanks now the penstock damage becomes very clear.
WoW - did not realize how complex the water supply system is in that area.
Thanks for this update Juan. Hope the water starts flowing sooner rather than later
Very informative. Thank you
I’m so happy to be in a part of the UK 🇬🇧 that pretty much get mineral water 💦 through our taps, we get water directly from the Snowdonia district of Wales 🏴 & it’s gone thru hundreds of years going through & filtered by a hundred year process which has been proven our water actually exceeds all of the companies that sell us mineral water in bottles & it’s a system that’s guaranteed to b able to supply us for ever & ever. The water rates we pay though is in the highest quality but is the most expensive in the uk. We pay around £35 per month for all our water but it’s a one off cost but it’s not metered so we can use as much as we want & the price is the same for all. It does worry me when I read about the USA issues with water that seems to be drying up, seeing the once mighty lakes & seeing the old levels from just a few years ago to what it is today, I feel that some populations have been artificially high so much that nature is unable to withstand the constant demands & soon its going to be a wasteland that may go so low that’s its irreversible. I hate to see some parts of our planet running low on life giving needs that people can’t do without. I pray for huge amounts of rain for you guys , our cousins across the pond& supplies can be reversed & your lakes water systems are fixed. Best of wishes from England
Nice job. Well done.
Thank you Juan for this. Absolutely Outstanding reporting here.
Water, water everywhere, and not a drop to drink. Incompetence, incompetence everywhere, and not a drop to drink.
Retires San Jose fire here and former rescue team manager of FEMA ca rescue team 3 out of Menlo Park ca. I was raised in oroville ca. I intimately knew the risks of paradise and magalia. We deploy for body searches the week of thanksgiving. I’ve watched bodies ripped apart my whole career but nothing bothered me or prepared me for the utter devastation of magalia. Places I visited as a kid totally incinerated and bodies burned completely to ash. So so sad. Tears as I write this. Cal Fire knew it was coming. It was just a question of when
I'm pretty sure I'm heard of PG&E via a documentary of the Paradise Camp Fire firestorm. Seems everything they touch turns to crap
So what I'm taking away as someone who doesn't live in California, is that PG&E have been ignoring maintenance issues for so long that normal outages can no longer be absorbed and routed around.
Excellent and informative video, Juan. Thanks for keeping us updated. 👍
Great Job with your Aerial footage!
Great Job with Everything you do, Every time, Everywhere, and with Everyone.
Very good presentation. After working on two hydroelectric dams in my
construction career I find this topic interesting. Combining aviation and
engineering is an additional plus.
Wonder how long it’s going to take PG&E to increase rates this time due to this issue…
Not long! They are licking their chops.
For sure, you know who is going to pay for all those emergency repairs.
No crisis will stay unused
Blanco Lirio... Love you man!
Juan, thanks for this update. It is much better than the one you posted.earlier.
An excellent report, some of your best dam reporting. Going back to the Oroville gallimaufry.... ... .. .
👍🙂
It appears to me, while unfamiliar with their contract, that the PG&E contract should be revoked for not maintaining their equipment. Let another company come in who will fulfill their obligations.
What is their budget for maintenance, ongoing and long term? What are they doing with the funds it creates? Who is overseeing PG&E?
What a cluster.
A great report on an essential element Juan,thanks mate,gives a break from aviation reports,safe flights as usual,👏👏👋👋🙏🙏👍🇦🇺
Gee... Potential water emergency due to failing PG&E infrastructure and tons of growth from a wet winter, I hate to see what fire season is going to bring... Pkease be careful, Juan and residents of Grass Valley and surrounding areas... 🙏🙏🙏
As a native CA resident (born and raised in CA) thank you for keeping us updated with "the facts".
I am fed up with these agencies (PG&E, SDG&E, Nevada Irrigation District, all utilities companies) that are taking our money monthly and using it to line their pockets (and that of the politicians), INSTEAD OF using it to maintain these critical systems and designing them properly. It irritates me to hear the discharge horns, river valves, etc have "deteriorated" and are single-point failures to the extent they are unusable. If they "maintain" or "design" these properly we wouldn't be in this mess. Pouring good money after bad into these companies.
Kind of ridiculous in my opinion that on infrastructure that is so OLD they don't schedule maintenance and reconstruction projects preventively during off peak time in the irrigation calendar. (Early Spring or Late Fall). Irresponsible management and directors that kick the can down the road until the emergency costs much, much more than the normal maintenance it would have taken to avoid the emergency work altogether... It's not like PG&E governance failure is a brand new hot topic.... ridiculous that change hasn't occured long ago.
Reminds me of the old hunting phrase, "Meat ain't Meat until it's on the Table" . "Thirst ain't quenched until the water's coming out of the faucet"
Reminds me of the old table prayer: 'Good bread, good meat. Good gawd let's eat!'
😊
Another great report Juan. Something you might like would be a way to show the viewer easily where you are pointing by using "show location of pointer" option for mouse rather than swirling the cursor around. I use all the time when demonstrating software---just push CTRL key to highlight cursor location . (It's great for finding your cursor when you lose it!) I promise you'll love it! Here's how to set up:
1. Go to Settings --> Mouse
2. Once you're in Mouse settings, select Additional mouse options from the links on the right side of the page.
3. In Mouse Properties, on the Pointer Options tab, at the bottom, select Show location of pointer when I press the CTRL key, and then select OK.
Oh, boy! Problems problems
I bet PG&E has a crew of highly qualified DEI personnel maintaining this infrastructure. They can also offset these problems with their massive inventory of windmills and solar panels.
There's the way things should be done and then there's the way PG&E + The State of California does things. The failures of PG&E are numerous and not small in scope.
None of the incompetent people in charge will every suffer consequences from THEIR actions. Yes, PG&E will get sued and lose in court but that just hurts the tax payer.
Pretty much all of us in the private sector do not have such luxuries. Sometimes things we can't help or small honest mistakes get thrown in our face more than needed.
Eeesh. Wish I had more answers. Hope we can find our way through all this. Good report. Many have no clue how they get their water. Or food -
Who knew you would become a Civil Engineering Authority! Love your channel!
Amazing Engineering. So many good solutions maybe upgrade with larger piping
And bury it so rock slides do not take it out
If the government can step in and break up Ma Bell, how come it can’t also break up the debacle that is PG&E?
Politicians make too much off such deals. If they’re incumbent, don’t vote or support them whether public or private. Appeal to history is a classical error.
They broke up Ma Bell, but that company actually worked very well.
That's the problem. It MUST NOT be broken up but instead taken over and operated as a non-profiting public agency with complete transparency in the decision making process.
Just like public banks in N. Dakota.
Just like public rural cooperative telecommunication in the central plains.
We actually DO NOT want breakup or deregulation; look what good that did with Reagan and ATC.