As A .W. Tozer said, God is sovereign. His sovereignty determined that man would be a free moral agent that can respond to the gospel without being coerced. God draws all men to himself, but He doesn’t force them to believe. If we’re forced to love him, it wouldn’t be love. God desires that men love Him. He did not create robots that are pre-programmed to accept or reject. It is reprehensible to say that God is pleased to send people to hell for eternity by withholding salvation from them. That’s what Calvinism teaches.
This is literally the best explanation on this doctrine. He was very clear and thorough with this message. It was a very well put together message. And I feel like I wouldn't even need to look anywhere else for an explanation on this specific doctrine because he really did so well on explaining it.
But didn’t he just basically show that theyr both taught in Scripture? I didn’t sense anything in the way of an explanation of how both can be true since they appear logically contradictory
Suggest you read the classic Reformation treatise by Martin Luther- The Bondage of the Will. It destroys what Andy is teaching. He says man’s will is free. The bible says man is dead in trespasses and sins
@@marksorenson5871 But what does being dead in our trespasses have to do with free will? Did God not give Adam and Eve free will? They had the option to either obey God or disobey him. He gave them free will to choose right or wrong. We all have free will to choose the right way or the wrong way. We don't choose God on our own, I know that it is God that chooses us, grants us repentance, offers us the free gift of salvation through Jesus Christ, God gives us that revelation, but do we not have the free will to accept it or turn away? I would say we have a choice. I have a choice to continue on the narrow path, or to turn away and walk the broad path, I have that free will to choose. And I choose Jesus!
But Adam sinned and we were in Adam and fell with him. Our will was no longer free being dead in sin Eph 2:1. The natural man’s will is in bondage. This is the point of the Reformation. The idea of freewill negates the Grace of God. Spiritually dead men cannot choose Christ. They need life! Your view is Arminian to the core God isnt sitting around hoping man’s will will choose him. You deny total depravity. Your view is more in line with Roman Catholicism and the ancient Greek view of man’s will. Martin Luther destroyed your view 500 years ago using hundreds of bible verses to do so. There is none that seeketh God They are all gone out of the way.
DEAD MEN DONT HAVE A LIVE WILL They can only will contrary to God without His grace. You really believe in synergism. God has done all he can- now its up to man to make the right decision.If you chose Christ its because He chose you in eternity past. His quickening power gave you the life and faith to believe. Its 100% God’s doing. Freewill was lost in the Garden of Eden. You need to get up to speed. The Reformation settled this 500 years ago when the bible became unchained and people began to read and study it. Andy tries to play both sides of the fence but in reality denies total depravity. When he starts talking about “Calvinism”- he is in over his head and is in error
@@lindadamico5614 Im so glad so many people are coming out of this fuzzy haze of “tension” and “mystery “. Its pretty simple too. I was a little surprised at the stumbling around in this video 🤔
I have profited much from Dr. Andy’s usual exegetical-based expository ministry, so I am amazed and surprised by his marked departure from his usual procedure here. Just for one or two examples: did not distinguish between election or call to salvation and to service. Not between individual and corporate election. He noted that Cyrus was not a believer, so his call could not have been to salvation. Also , Jesus chose Judas to serve him along with the other 11, but He certainly was not elected for salvation, Jesus specifically called him a devil. He also failed to exegete the word “appointed “ in Acts 8. Etc. Selah!
Dear Pastor Andy Woods...I love your teachings and you are so right about the Gift of Salvation and so many other things you teach...I respect you so very much and I look forward to your new series and video teachings as they come out...However and with all due respect...and humility...I think this part 2 section of your Soteriology Study is a little flawed...Yes the bible does teach Election and free will...but does God choose certain people to believe the gospel? NO...He does not....the bible is very clear that God desires all men to be saved...and to come to a knowledge of the truth (I Timothy 2:4). If it were true that God picked certain individuals to be saved, then Romans 1:16, which states that the Gospel is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believes, would instead say that predestination is the power of God unto salvation to every one that is chosen. It is true that the Bible does teach predestination-but not for salvation. God did not predetermine who would believe, but rather what would HAPPEN to those who do believe. For example, Romans 8:29 reads, "For whom He did foreknow He also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of His Son." Some have thought this verse is saying that God chose some to be conformed to the image of His Son, instead of realizing that God foreknew who would believe and thus predetermined believers to be conformed to the image of His Son. Notice He did not predetermine who was going to believe but rather what would happen to those who did believe. The Bible also clearly teaches that some are chosen-but not for salvation, but rather for service, Many times you may read the quotation of Christ, "Ye have not chosen Me, but I have chosen you..." Which appears to be saying that some are chosen for salvation until you read the entire verse which proves otherwise. "Ye have not chosen Me, but I have chosen you, and ordained you, that ye should go and bring forth fruit, and that your fruit should remain: that whatsoever ye shall ask of the father in My Name, He may give it you" (John 15:16). Another aspect brought up with regard to predestination is that Scripture teaches that no man seeks after God (Romans 3:11). But, what they fail to realize is that although no man would seek after God unless He did something to cause men to seek Him, Scriptures teach that God does something for all men to cause them to seek Him. This was clearly brought out by Christ when He said, "And I , if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me" (John 12:32). He also told of the Holy Spirit's ministry of convicting all the world of sin, righteousness, and judgement (John 16: 8-11). Thus we can see from the Scripture that God loves all humanity and died for the whole world's sins (Hebrews 2:9; I john 2:2) and He is "not willing that ANY should perish, but that ALL should come to repentance (change of mind)" (II Peter 3:9). These are just a few things that prove God does not predestinate anyone to be saved but foreknows everyone that will be saved and predestines them to be conformed to His Son...God Bless you and your ministry Andy and Sugar Land Bible Church...Keep up the Fantastic work you are all doing...Your brother in Christ Robert :)
@@mikef6063 I am sorry Mike...at this time I do not know how to make videos...But I am working on it...Hopefully soon...Thank you for your comment...I hope that what I have said already... gives readers something to think about...God wants everyone saved...He did not predestinate some to be saved and some not to be saved...the way so many people and churches teach...God bless and keep you...Rob :)
Very good counter point ! Also Peter in Matthew 16 did not have a “ thought” he had a revelation. All revelation comes through God. I have learned yhe Bible through my brain and tbe enlightenment of the Holy Spirit. The doctrine of election refers primarily to Israel.,the Jews and the nation of Israel. Whom God foreknew, he predestined. I see that he knew how we would respond. And chosen refers to Service. God chose skilled musicians and skilled designers of the tabernacle based on their natural skills that would be amplified
I’m blown away that someone who has written such and amazing book on the distinct difference between Israel and the church still cannot see that the Calvinist teachings of “election/predestination” are not biblical. Not one of the passages use to support the Manichaeism teachings of Augustinianism proves that god chooses who goes to heaven and who goes to hell. That pure gnostic teachings introduced 400 years after the Bible was written.
where does it say "sometime in eternity past God made a move toward *_YOU?"_* Take a closer look people... it says God chose JESUS CHRIST *before* the foundation of the world NOT YOU, you are chosen SINCE the world began, *WHEN* you believe... Our election is detailed in Eph 1 IN HIM...that condition of being IN HIM, IN THE BELOVED, IN HIMSELF, together in one all things in Christ, even in Him..
God‘s will is not only sovereign and moral, it is also permissive. In the context of biblical salvation from the penalty of sin, God allows us to choose to receive the gospel by faith or reject it. He draws ALL, the Holy spirit is reproving the world of unbelief, it’s not God‘s, will that any should perish, because God so loved the world that whosoever will can come. Christ died for the sins of the world, not a select few. He does not invite people to come, reprove them of their sin of unbelief, and then throw them into hell because he is sovereign.
Andy - this is great... Except there is no great mystery or tension between free will and Gods sovereignty. No great struggle. No snowball fight. Do some study with Kevin Thompson. It’s a great way to understand this “problem”. You don’t need complicated analogies.
@@laurakosch apparently you either don't like Paul's epistles or you aren't familiar with them. Paul speaks of the MYSTERY the Lord gave personally to him. One of those verses is : Romans 16:25
@@Over-for-now Yes, the verse reads: Now to God who is able to strengthen you according to my gospel and the proclamation of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery that was kept secret for long ages …The mystery, which was secret for long ages, has been revealed. The “mystery” is the gospel of Christ and His death and resurrection. This was not was Israel was expecting. At any rate, I don’t think when believers discuss the things of God it is appropriate (or honouring to Him) to speak contemptuously to one another (yes, I am familiar. Yes I do in fact like Paul’s epistles). Anyway. Good night 🍁
@@andywoodsunofficialchannel7421 please read the comment thread to this video. There are many excellent observations regarding the use of the words “chosen” and “predestined”. I would encourage a deeper study on these, which will easily remove the “tension” and “mystery” you allude to. Blessings ❤️
Hey Pastor what of John 12:32 And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me. So John 6:44 is before the cross and John 12:32 is after the cross and would seem to include ALL MEN
You can't have it both ways you are either predetermined to go to heaven or hell or you have a free choice to accept or reject. How can God say choose ye this day if he blocks your choice, He would b a liar or confusing
I’m thinking about in Ephesians when God planned to save humanity it was to be in Christ and no other way. Notten Buddha not through works etc. specific people were definitely called for a specific “ vocation “or job God had them to do. I doubt I’m expressing this correctly but it seems so often it really doesn’t have to do with salvation as much as the process or a specific work a specific person had to do for the good of the whole
yes. Ephesians 1 repeats the concept of our election being IN CHRIST, it was CHRIST JESUS who was chosen before the beginning of the world NOT US... and our being IN CHRIST is that grafting-in that occurs in our putting our faith IN JESUS. The bible says NOTHING about being elect to salvation...our election is in service in the body of CHRIST.
I doubt my comment will be seen because I am just now seeing this video & it’s been up for some time now. I completely agree with this teaching, but I do have one question. Where Dr Woods says that we are saved through faith, I do agree with that. I don’t think that God has to give us the faith to believe in Jesus, but I do think he can give us faith if we are lacking. Like the story in Mark 9…where the disciples were unable to cast the spirit out of the boy & when Jesus talked with his father he told Jesus that he believed he could cast out the spirit, but the father also asked Jesus to help him believe. So my question is wasn’t he asking Jesus to increase his faith to believe? I’m just trying to resolve this in my own mind so I was wondering any answer or suggestions for this?
Hi April, thanks for your question. The context here is not salvific per say, so it appears the increasing of faith applies to believing in this specific miracle. Blessings! (:
The Pharaoh example is the same for Esau. God foreknew Esau's distain for his birthright along with his rebellion to intermarry with the daughters of Ishmael.
It does seem that God by foreknowlege knows what people will do (choose) which could explain his choices. With jacob and Easu, he said two "nations" and "two manner of people" (types) would come from these children.
Could I pose the potential of God choosing elect people based on foreknowledge? Two harmonize the two concepts being right, I guess I always viewed election as God sorta looking down through the corridors of time and saying "I'm going to save this person and put their name in the lambs book of life because I know ahead of time that they are going to believe in my Son for their eternal destiny" I view it as more of an omniscience type of thing because the alternative doesn't make sense to me.
Genesis 25:23-26 KJV And the LORD said unto her, Two nations are in thy womb, And two manner of people shall be separated from thy bowels; And the one people shall be stronger than the other people; And the elder shall serve the younger. And when her days to be delivered were fulfilled, behold, there were twins in her womb. And the first came out red, all over like an hairy garment; and they called his name Esau. And after that came his brother out, and his hand took hold on Esau's heel; and his name was called Jacob: and Isaac was threescore years old when she bare them.
[2] Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied. 🚩Calvinism baggage
Chosen to come to him ONE WAY-Acts 4:12, Eph 2:8-9, Acts 16:31 🚩CALVINISM, misuse of election, choosing individuals unto SALVATION. Chose for service, chose to give different gifts-no choice as to WHO CAN BE SAVED. Both are NOT TAUGHT. 🚩He chooses to reprove the world of unbelief, desires the world to be saved. ⚠️
God is NOT choosing us UNTO salvation, rather he chose a NATION to bring forth God manifest in the flesh, he CHOOSES people for different offices in the church, he chooses different gifts that he gives to us individually, he CHOOSES works prepared for us to do. It’s the work of God that we believe on him whom he hath sent, the Holy Spirit is reproving the world of their sin of unbelief, and Jesus Christ is drawing all unto himself. CONTEXT IS CRITICAL, I fear the slam/jam/ram error is manifested here.
Perhaps you have never studied 2 Thes. 2:13 (KJV). "But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth...." Our salvation is a DIRECT result of God's calling and election. We would not receive it without His glorious sovereign actions.
What's the point of praying for anybody then if God is going to pick and choose who he want and he calls them and he makes them saved and we got nothing to what the point of praying
Thank you Ptr Andy, pls help...if man has responsibility for his salvation does it not make salvation "Synergistic" if so, is it wrong theology to say so?
This is not dr. Woods' personal account, but let me answer this for you by his own words: "Did you choose your wife or did your wife choose you? I hope the answer is 'both'."
@@andywoodsunofficialchannel7421 Well this is quite confusing Marriage is Mutual and in the middle east Marriage was arranged and a dowry was paid. even Andy own testimony was of a women he was going to marry told him she loved him but was not in love with him.
If my spouse was in the position of Christ drawing all unto himself, only those who were willing to participate would be his spouses… he would not invite all, knowing some he chose beforehand to be incapable to choose to participate. Nonsense.🚩
(A) Excellent Thank You Watch again (A2) this Video covers the verses of predestination & Free will. Both doctrines are there in copious amounts. This guy agrees with Baptist pastor Bob Utley on RUclips (B) 1st time (3/16/20) : Done
Those he forknew would be conformed to his image. God knows the beginning from the end and knows who would believe and wouldn't believe. Those who would believe are predestined to be conformed to his image. This isn't God passing by some and choosing some for salvation.
I love a lot of stuff you do , but personally, I think you dropped the ball on this one. People are chosen for service and different things, but never some to be saved and some not to. The Lord knew through His foreknowledge, those who would choose Him. You don’t get to ride the fence here
Dr. Woods doesn't believe some to be saved and some not to. He rejects all 5 points of Calvinism and has many videos teaching firmly against it. He's most definitely not on the fence. I find your comment baffling tbh.
@@seana1190 he doesn’t explain election. Election is basically for service. I agree he doesn’t think people are elected to salvation, but he doesn’t explain it well. He says the Bible teaches it as well. This can be confusing to a new believer. Btw I’m a huge Andy Woods fan.
Is he claiming God created many with no hope of salvation, created solely for hell? The “world, all, whosoever” really doesn’t mean what it says? Sounds like limited atonement t heresy.
I agree, it's for God to fulfill a specific purpose, ministry or service through the chosen/elect group or individual. e g. unfallen angels are elect as 'ministering spirits', but do not need to be saved. Jesus is also elect but definitely doesn't need saving! Cyrus was chosen but was an unbeliever. That creates a difficulty if election is to eternal life.
@@rochelleschubert3374 This is an important distinction that is not often discussed. There is choosing and election for purposes other than individual salvation.
Romans 9-11 nothing to do with a choice of one Individual over another to save, this is choosing a nation to bring forth Christ in the flesh. Genesis 25:23-26 KJV And the LORD said unto her, Two nations are in thy womb, And two manner of people shall be separated from thy bowels; And the one people shall be stronger than the other people; And the elder shall serve the younger. And when her days to be delivered were fulfilled, behold, there were twins in her womb. And the first came out red, all over like an hairy garment; and they called his name Esau. And after that came his brother out, and his hand took hold on Esau's heel; and his name was called Jacob: and Isaac was threescore years old when she bare them.
The scheme Jacob and his mother devised to get the birthright from Esau for Jacob from their father on his death bed was truly devious and shocking when you think about it. But Rebekah had been told by God when her sons were being born that Jacob should have it. Rebekah really orchestrated the plot and dressed Jacob in Esau's clothes. Esau may have already married a Canaanite woman and a daughter of "Ishmael" by that time which would have really annoyed Rebekah which is why she sent Jacoc to her relatives in Syria to find a wife. ( Gen.28)
@@lindadamico5614 amén!! Im so glad that the people of God are studying the Bible for themselves. The comments in this video thread are so encouraging. There is no tension or mystery!!
And just think, a Calvinist can with a clear conscience sing this Calvinistic accurate song to their children. How sick is that? The Calvinist children's hymn: "Jesus loves me, this I know. As for you, I don't think so. Only some to Him belong. We are right and you are wrong. Yes, Jesus loves me! Yes, Jesus loves me! Yes, Jesus loves me! But I hope this isn't effervescent grace that I'm walking in and instead I'm actually deceived and one of the reprobates that He created to burn as a candle for His glory in Hell forever." TRUTH IN LOVE
This is needlessly complicated. Check Leighton Flowers, ex calvinist. Chosen is to service. Predestined to what? Not salvation, but to be conformed to the image of Christ.
Flowers is so off his doctrine that anyone listening to him is ignorant and doesn't read study and understand their Bible. Yes i mean you who would dare lead people to a false teacher on sovereignty. Read up bible and believe God.
Hi Pastor Andy! Not too sure whether U would reply me. With regards to John 3:16, there's a Calvinist name called James white debunked the misinterpretation of John 3:16. Can I share with u the link so that u can help to address this issue?
Becoming a prophet by the choice of God does not equate to salvation from the penalty of sin as predestinated by God before the foundation of the world. Warning, Calvinism.🚩
God draws and reveals truth to all. He makes the first move for everyone! He does not predestination unto salvation any individual. Those saved/elect according to foreknowledge of those would come the only way acceptable by grace through faith without works, Acts 4:12, Ephesians 2:8-9. Your baggage of Calvinism is evident. To assume the Lord DOES NOT OPEN ALL HEARTS HE KNOWS WOLL BELIEVE is error. He does not choose any one individual over another, those saved/elect according for knowledge of those who would come the only way acceptable by grace through faith without works, Acts 4:12, Ephesians 2:8-9. FOREKNOWLEDGE IS🚩NOT PREDESTINATION. Your baggage of Calvinism is manifested.
I think yours is the right explanation. "Foreknowledge" is the key. God is continually "drawing" all mankind through the preaching of the Gospel but they can "resist the Holy Spirit", as Stephen said when the Jews were stoning him. Knowing that mankind with free will would sin, I also think that the METHOD, (the CROSS) by which God would redeem men was what he establshed "before the foundation of the world" more than choosing individuals for salvation. Because God knows all of history by foreknowlege (which he does or prophecy is meaningless) he knows who will respond to the Gospel but he does not make their choice for them. When believers respond to the Gospel they are then "in Christ", "of his flesh and of his bones" and so included in the METHOD. I could be wrong but this seems like a possibility. "Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you," 1 Peter 1:20 "According as he hath chosen us IN HIM before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:" Ephesians 1:4 Another possibility is: Because God has made, (and owns) all souls that have ever lived (Isa. 57:16) the souls that Jesus said are "given to Him by the Father" are the ones who respond to the Gospel out of all mankind in every age, not so much that God limits salvation. Adam and Eve clearly had free will and God addresses their descendants as though they do also, or the entire Bible makes no sense in the way God speaks to people.
Yes. Love Andy Woods teaching as well but must say Whoa. Way too far a swing towards the Calvinism. The Elect is language referring to Israel primarily. “ Foreknowledge is God KNOWS how we will respond. Notice, predestination comes after foreknew, snd Chosen is how we will be used for service. “For many are called but few are chosen”. Study how the word is used in the Greek version of the NT used in the First occurrence of the word elect. The Septuagint, Greek translation of the Hebrew Scriptures. The Lord used it here not to Salvation but to Service. This translation is what Jesus used and we can assume Paul likewise
I agree with you, this would be one of the only things I would have disagreement w/ Andy about, this subject has puzzled me for years and only understand it partially, BUT whatever the true answer is GOD sent his grace in the atonement, in that I can trust.
It's sad people will go so far to hang on to a free will doctrine not realizing the truth. We never say men aren't freely choosing things but their wills are slaves to sin and not freely willing to come to Jesus. Instead they spend countless hours showing how men make choices. My goodness learn what your opponents are saying and stop burning strawmen.
The Bible is clear THAT we are dead to God, we do not choose HIM, the gospel is foolish to us and we love darkness rather than light. Paul was knocked off his religious PRIDE because he was not seeking God at all
Matthew 16:17 “And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.” THE ONLY WAY ANY HAVE THIS REVELED IS BY GOD, nothing unique here.
Your first mistake is mixing being called/justified/gift/OSAS/Eph 2.8/9 with chosen/sanctified/works/inheritance/elect. Mt 20.16/22.14, they are not the same and can not be used interchangeably. Chosen = sanctified, called = justified. The judgement seat of Christ is at stake/rewards positive and negative. You also dont understand man's spirit, soul, and body as all three died with Adam. All three must be redeemed, the spirit at rebirth, the body at the rapture, and the soul at the JSOC to determine entrance into the kingdom or not. Spirit/justification, soul/sanctification, body/glorification.
It is not foolishness to try to understand, is this not what the Holy Spirit does- teaches us the deep things of God? The problem is, you misinterpreted the verses you used to teach election in the context of individual salvation, hence you have decided to throw up the idea of trying to understand rather than look at the truth which is you misinterpreted scripture.
I see the issue of election, in the light of the full counsel of God, as very simple. No one seeks after God. In his sovereign grace and mercy He chooses whom he will have relationship with. I don't like the phrase "free will" because it conveys in English the idea that we are making choices in some neutral zone outside of sin and righteousness, when God asserts we are either slaves of sin or slaves of righteousness. We are not free, but bound either way. Bound. How do we become slaves of righteousness? Remember: no one seeks God; therefore, God chooses those whom he frees from the law of sin and death. We are brought from death to life by the action of God. Our choices conform to this new birth condition.
This is called predestination if God chooses who's going to heaven and hell and you don't have a choice in the matter that's called predestination and not free will
Foreknowledge is not predestination. Their doom is appointed as they choose to…They were not appointed to trip. You are taking scripture out of context ad nauseam, what we should walk in is not how will choose to walk, chosen for each individual child of God does not equate to choosing individuals against their will to be saved while others are damned to an eternity in hell. You think you just chose passages teaching sovereignty regarding salvation🚩
Zero contradiction in scripture. This is the worst video I have seen by you. Intelligent on many subjects, blinded regarding election. No struggle, IT MAKES PERFECT SENSE IN CONTEXT.
I heavily disagree with the "free will" concept which doesn't exist. FAITH is again GODS WORK not of men. *John **1:13** + **5:29* We believe because God saved us BEFORE but we are not saved because we believed. Free will theology is good old Pelegianism / Arminianism. Sovereignty is biblical, free will is not. Read Martin Luther "The Bondage of Will" that might help. 🙏
@Daryl dannar I think you should read Martin Luther "The Bondage of Will" and come back again later? I truly do appreciate Andy Woods teachings and he has studied a lot for certain but he seems to have missed this classic of faith literature and ponder what it proves from scripture.
@@inTruthbyGrace These are according to the WILL OF GOD which is the only one to be called "free" from the source of origin. That's why Jesus also says, the "truth (i.e. He) will make us free". As soon as we submit our own (sinful) will to God, we get HIS will in exchange which is free.
@@Corinna_Schuett_GER I asked you what are the free will offerings mentioned several times... and your answer is: freewill offerings "are according to the WILL OF GOD which is the only one to be called "free" from the source of origin"
@@inTruthbyGrace It is so easy in fact: our own will is ALWAYS directed against God (see Romans 7 Paul explains!) but IN CHRIST it is directed TOWARDS God which is the only person in the universe with absolute free will. I cannot understand how this would be a difficult topic. Blessings your way! 🙏
The doctrine of election concerns God's choosing of the believer for service, not His choosing of some unbelievers to believe and others not to believe. God's desire is for all men to believe the gospel, or be saved and to come to a knowledge of the truth ( 1 Tim. 2:4). Before the foundation of the world, God chose those who would believe the gospel be a minister of reconciliation to the unbeliever ( 2 Cor. 5:11, 18). There is no contradiction or paradox between free will and election as long as man's free will is applied to belief in the gospel in justification and God's sovereign choice in election is applied to His choosing the believer for service in progressive sanctification.
The gift is not the result of salvation, salvation itself is the gift which we receive by grace through faith.
As A .W. Tozer said, God is sovereign. His sovereignty determined that man would be a free moral agent that can respond to the gospel without being coerced. God draws all men to himself, but He doesn’t force them to believe. If we’re forced to love him, it wouldn’t be love. God desires that men love Him. He did not create robots that are pre-programmed to accept or reject. It is reprehensible to say that God is pleased to send people to hell for eternity by withholding salvation from them. That’s what Calvinism teaches.
This is literally the best explanation on this doctrine. He was very clear and thorough with this message. It was a very well put together message. And I feel like I wouldn't even need to look anywhere else for an explanation on this specific doctrine because he really did so well on explaining it.
But didn’t he just basically show that theyr both taught in Scripture? I didn’t sense anything in the way of an explanation of how both can be true since they appear logically contradictory
Suggest you read the classic Reformation treatise by Martin Luther- The Bondage of the Will. It destroys what Andy is teaching. He says man’s will is free. The bible says man is dead in trespasses and sins
@@marksorenson5871 But what does being dead in our trespasses have to do with free will? Did God not give Adam and Eve free will? They had the option to either obey God or disobey him. He gave them free will to choose right or wrong. We all have free will to choose the right way or the wrong way.
We don't choose God on our own, I know that it is God that chooses us, grants us repentance, offers us the free gift of salvation through Jesus Christ, God gives us that revelation, but do we not have the free will to accept it or turn away? I would say we have a choice. I have a choice to continue on the narrow path, or to turn away and walk the broad path, I have that free will to choose. And I choose Jesus!
But Adam sinned and we were in Adam and fell with him. Our will was no longer free being dead in sin Eph 2:1. The natural man’s will is in bondage. This is the point of the Reformation. The idea of freewill negates the Grace of God. Spiritually dead men cannot choose Christ. They need life! Your view is Arminian to the core God isnt sitting around hoping man’s will will choose him. You deny total depravity. Your view is more in line with Roman Catholicism and the ancient Greek view of man’s will. Martin Luther destroyed your view 500 years ago using hundreds of bible verses to do so. There is none that seeketh God They are all gone out of the way.
DEAD MEN DONT HAVE A LIVE WILL They can only will contrary to God without His grace. You really believe in synergism. God has done all he can- now its up to man to make the right decision.If you chose Christ its because He chose you in eternity past. His quickening power gave you the life and faith to believe. Its 100% God’s doing. Freewill was lost in the Garden of Eden. You need to get up to speed. The Reformation settled this 500 years ago when the bible became unchained and people began to read and study it. Andy tries to play both sides of the fence but in reality denies total depravity. When he starts talking about “Calvinism”- he is in over his head and is in error
The problem only occurs if you think ' election' is ' to salvation'. The bible says election is to service, calling and vocation.
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Amén!! Tensión? What tensión? What mystery?
Thank you so much! Love how you teach!
No tension, no difficulty, it’s makes perfect sense when you read elect verses in context.
@@lindadamico5614 Im so glad so many people are coming out of this fuzzy haze of “tension” and “mystery “.
Its pretty simple too. I was a little surprised at the stumbling around in this video 🤔
This was excellent!
I have profited much from Dr. Andy’s usual exegetical-based expository ministry, so I am amazed and surprised by his marked departure from his usual procedure here. Just for one or two examples: did not distinguish between election or call to salvation and to service. Not between individual and corporate election. He noted that Cyrus was not a believer, so his call could not have been to salvation. Also , Jesus chose Judas to serve him along with the other 11, but He certainly was not elected for salvation, Jesus specifically called him a devil. He also failed to exegete the word “appointed “ in Acts 8. Etc. Selah!
@@selahlee amén!!! I hope he reads these comments
Dear Pastor Andy Woods...I love your teachings and you are so right about the Gift of Salvation and so many other things you teach...I respect you so very much and I look forward to your new series and video teachings as they come out...However and with all due respect...and humility...I think this part 2 section of your Soteriology Study is a little flawed...Yes the bible does teach Election and free will...but does God choose certain people to believe the gospel? NO...He does not....the bible is very clear that God desires all men to be saved...and to come to a knowledge of the truth (I Timothy 2:4). If it were true that God picked certain individuals to be saved, then Romans 1:16, which states that the Gospel is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believes, would instead say that predestination is the power of God unto salvation to every one that is chosen.
It is true that the Bible does teach predestination-but not for salvation. God did not predetermine who would believe, but rather what would HAPPEN to those who do believe. For example, Romans 8:29 reads, "For whom He did foreknow He also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of His Son." Some have thought this verse is saying that God chose some to be conformed to the image of His Son, instead of realizing that God foreknew who would believe and thus predetermined believers to be conformed to the image of His Son. Notice He did not predetermine who was going to believe but rather what would happen to those who did believe.
The Bible also clearly teaches that some are chosen-but not for salvation, but rather for service, Many times you may read the quotation of Christ, "Ye have not chosen Me, but I have chosen you..." Which appears to be saying that some are chosen for salvation until you read the entire verse which proves otherwise. "Ye have not chosen Me, but I have chosen you, and ordained you, that ye should go and bring forth fruit, and that your fruit should remain: that whatsoever ye shall ask of the father in My Name, He may give it you" (John 15:16).
Another aspect brought up with regard to predestination is that Scripture teaches that no man seeks after God (Romans 3:11). But, what they fail to realize is that although no man would seek after God unless He did something to cause men to seek Him, Scriptures teach that God does something for all men to cause them to seek Him. This was clearly brought out by Christ when He said, "And I , if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me" (John 12:32). He also told of the Holy Spirit's ministry of convicting all the world of sin, righteousness, and judgement (John 16: 8-11).
Thus we can see from the Scripture that God loves all humanity and died for the whole world's sins (Hebrews 2:9; I john 2:2) and He is "not willing that ANY should perish, but that ALL should come to repentance (change of mind)" (II Peter 3:9).
These are just a few things that prove God does not predestinate anyone to be saved but foreknows everyone that will be saved and predestines them to be conformed to His Son...God Bless you and your ministry Andy and Sugar Land Bible Church...Keep up the Fantastic work you are all doing...Your brother in Christ Robert :)
Can you make a teachingvideo expanding on these points?
@@mikef6063 I am sorry Mike...at this time I do not know how to make videos...But I am working on it...Hopefully soon...Thank you for your comment...I hope that what I have said already... gives readers something to think about...God wants everyone saved...He did not predestinate some to be saved and some not to be saved...the way so many people and churches teach...God bless and keep you...Rob :)
Very good counter point ! Also Peter in Matthew 16 did not have a “ thought” he had a revelation. All revelation comes through God. I have learned yhe Bible through my brain and tbe enlightenment of the Holy Spirit. The doctrine of election refers primarily to Israel.,the Jews and the nation of Israel. Whom God foreknew, he predestined. I see that he knew how we would respond. And chosen refers to Service. God chose skilled musicians and skilled designers of the tabernacle based on their natural skills that would be amplified
@@meggy8868 Amen Mary Ellen excellent commentary...God Bless you my sister :)
L.p.
I’m blown away that someone who has written such and amazing book on the distinct difference between Israel and the church still cannot see that the Calvinist teachings of “election/predestination” are not biblical. Not one of the passages use to support the Manichaeism teachings of Augustinianism proves that god chooses who goes to heaven and who goes to hell. That pure gnostic teachings introduced 400 years after the Bible was written.
@@tannerdavis4470 I am equally stunned. This is not complicated
where does it say "sometime in eternity past God made a move toward *_YOU?"_* Take a closer look people... it says God chose JESUS CHRIST *before* the foundation of the world NOT YOU, you are chosen SINCE the world began, *WHEN* you believe... Our election is detailed in Eph 1 IN HIM...that condition of being IN HIM, IN THE BELOVED, IN HIMSELF, together in one all things in Christ, even in Him..
You dear friend are an ignorant person. Jesus plainly teaches you did not choose me I chose you. But go ahead and mock God's election you fool
Absolutely true ❤️
@@route2033 what does God's word say about calling someone a fool?
@@route2033 That is OT only then He say When the son of Mam is lifted up he will "DRAW ALL MEN" to Himself
Good. Very good
John 1:13 tells us THAT our FLESH and the WILL OF man does not cause us to be SAVED
There was no explanation given between two seemingly contradictory positions. He simply said “both are correct” and offered no explanation
God‘s will is not only sovereign and moral, it is also permissive. In the context of biblical salvation from the penalty of sin, God allows us to choose to receive the gospel by faith or reject it. He draws ALL, the Holy spirit is reproving the world of unbelief, it’s not God‘s, will that any should perish, because God so loved the world that whosoever will can come. Christ died for the sins of the world, not a select few. He does not invite people to come, reprove them of their sin of unbelief, and then throw them into hell because he is sovereign.
Absolutely brilliant if i could hear it yippee it’s on now sound that is
Thank-you Pastor
Andy - this is great...
Except there is no great mystery or tension between free will and Gods sovereignty.
No great struggle. No snowball fight. Do some study with Kevin Thompson. It’s a great way to understand this “problem”. You don’t need complicated analogies.
It's absolutely a MYSTERY
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It’s absolutely not
@@laurakosch apparently you either don't like Paul's epistles or you aren't familiar with them. Paul speaks of the MYSTERY the Lord gave personally to him. One of those verses is : Romans 16:25
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Yes, the verse reads:
Now to God who is able to strengthen you according to my gospel and the proclamation of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery that was kept secret for long ages
…The mystery, which was secret for long ages, has been revealed.
The “mystery” is the gospel of Christ and His death and resurrection.
This was not was Israel was expecting.
At any rate, I don’t think when believers discuss the things of God it is appropriate (or honouring to Him) to speak contemptuously to one another (yes, I am familiar. Yes I do in fact like Paul’s epistles).
Anyway. Good night 🍁
@@laurakosch contemptuously?? You yourself said it was absolutely not a mystery !!??
Do you still hold to unconditional election (the U in TULIP) or am I misunderstanding something?
Dr. Woods emphatically rejects all 5 points of Calvinim, as well as "Lordship Salvation", which he teaches is a false Gospel.
I wish we could hear the comments or questions.
I can upload the last part, which is mainly questions regarding these sessions :)
Unravelations the reason I ask that is I feel I may have some of the same questions. Thanks for posting these teachings!
@@sdharas Here it is :-)
ruclips.net/video/1b4R2-Upgvw/видео.html
@@andywoodsunofficialchannel7421 please read the comment thread to this video.
There are many excellent observations regarding the use of the words “chosen” and “predestined”.
I would encourage a deeper study on these, which will easily remove the “tension” and “mystery” you allude to.
Blessings ❤️
God choosing us and us choosing Him back is like a marriage.🙏
No choosing unto individual salvation.
Hey Pastor what of John 12:32 And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me. So John 6:44 is before the cross and John 12:32 is after the cross and would seem to include ALL MEN
@@PastorBillwillard2147 amén!! 🙏🏻❤️ yes!!
You can't have it both ways you are either predetermined to go to heaven or hell or you have a free choice to accept or reject. How can God say choose ye this day if he blocks your choice, He would b a liar or confusing
I’m thinking about in Ephesians when God planned to save humanity it was to be in Christ and no other way. Notten Buddha not through works etc. specific people were definitely called for a specific “ vocation “or job God had them to do. I doubt I’m expressing this correctly but it seems so often it really doesn’t have to do with salvation as much as the process or a specific work a specific person had to do for the good of the whole
yes. Ephesians 1 repeats the concept of our election being IN CHRIST, it was CHRIST JESUS who was chosen before the beginning of the world NOT US... and our being IN CHRIST is that grafting-in that occurs in our putting our faith IN JESUS. The bible says NOTHING about being elect to salvation...our election is in service in the body of CHRIST.
I doubt my comment will be seen because I am just now seeing this video & it’s been up for some time now. I completely agree with this teaching, but I do have one question. Where Dr Woods says that we are saved through faith, I do agree with that. I don’t think that God has to give us the faith to believe in Jesus, but I do think he can give us faith if we are lacking. Like the story in Mark 9…where the disciples were unable to cast the spirit out of the boy & when Jesus talked with his father he told Jesus that he believed he could cast out the spirit, but the father also asked Jesus to help him believe.
So my question is wasn’t he asking Jesus to increase his faith to believe?
I’m just trying to resolve this in my own mind so I was wondering any answer or suggestions for this?
Hi April, thanks for your question. The context here is not salvific per say, so it appears the increasing of faith applies to believing in this specific miracle. Blessings! (:
The Pharaoh example is the same for Esau. God foreknew Esau's distain for his birthright along with his rebellion to intermarry with the daughters of Ishmael.
It does seem that God by foreknowlege knows what people will do (choose) which could explain his choices. With jacob and Easu, he said two "nations" and "two manner of people" (types) would come from these children.
How does God do a Foreknowledge towards us?
Could I pose the potential of God choosing elect people based on foreknowledge? Two harmonize the two concepts being right, I guess I always viewed election as God sorta looking down through the corridors of time and saying "I'm going to save this person and put their name in the lambs book of life because I know ahead of time that they are going to believe in my Son for their eternal destiny" I view it as more of an omniscience type of thing because the alternative doesn't make sense to me.
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Choosing a nation cannot be translated into choosing individual people unto salvation. There is only one Messiah, only need for one womb.
Genesis 25:23-26 KJV
And the LORD said unto her, Two nations are in thy womb, And two manner of people shall be separated from thy bowels; And the one people shall be stronger than the other people; And the elder shall serve the younger. And when her days to be delivered were fulfilled, behold, there were twins in her womb. And the first came out red, all over like an hairy garment; and they called his name Esau. And after that came his brother out, and his hand took hold on Esau's heel; and his name was called Jacob: and Isaac was threescore years old when she bare them.
[2] Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied. 🚩Calvinism baggage
Chosen to come to him ONE WAY-Acts 4:12, Eph 2:8-9, Acts 16:31 🚩CALVINISM, misuse of election, choosing individuals unto SALVATION. Chose for service, chose to give different gifts-no choice as to WHO CAN BE SAVED. Both are NOT TAUGHT. 🚩He chooses to reprove the world of unbelief, desires the world to be saved. ⚠️
John 12:32 KJV
And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me.
CHOICE OF DISCIPLES🚫choice unto SALVATION. 🚩CALVINISM STENCH⚠️
God is NOT choosing us UNTO salvation, rather he chose a NATION to bring forth God manifest in the flesh, he CHOOSES people for different offices in the church, he chooses different gifts that he gives to us individually, he CHOOSES works prepared for us to do. It’s the work of God that we believe on him whom he hath sent, the Holy Spirit is reproving the world of their sin of unbelief, and Jesus Christ is drawing all unto himself. CONTEXT IS CRITICAL, I fear the slam/jam/ram error is manifested here.
Perhaps you have never studied 2 Thes. 2:13 (KJV). "But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth...." Our salvation is a DIRECT result of God's calling and election. We would not receive it without His glorious sovereign actions.
What's the point of praying for anybody then if God is going to pick and choose who he want and he calls them and he makes them saved and we got nothing to what the point of praying
Because there is no way for you to know their eternal destiny. You can in good conscience pray for their salvation, and then trust God.
I wonder if there is such a thing as an elect person, dying lost?
No such thing. "All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out." (John 6:37 KJV)
Thank you Ptr Andy, pls help...if man has responsibility for his salvation does it not make salvation "Synergistic" if so, is it wrong theology to say so?
This is not dr. Woods' personal account, but let me answer this for you by his own words:
"Did you choose your wife or did your wife choose you?
I hope the answer is 'both'."
Synergism is Heresy but the people love it so
@@andywoodsunofficialchannel7421 Well this is quite confusing Marriage is Mutual and in the middle east Marriage was arranged and a dowry was paid. even Andy own testimony was of a women he was going to marry told him she loved him but was not in love with him.
Earthly marriage is no comparison. My spouse is not drawing every woman on the planet unto himself waiting for them to choose him.
If my spouse was in the position of Christ drawing all unto himself, only those who were willing to participate would be his spouses… he would not invite all, knowing some he chose beforehand to be incapable to choose to participate. Nonsense.🚩
how is this not calvinism?
Listen till the end. It's balanced. Augustinian-Calvinism is not.
(A) Excellent Thank You Watch again
(A2) this Video covers the verses of predestination & Free will. Both doctrines are there in copious amounts. This guy agrees with Baptist pastor Bob Utley on RUclips
(B) 1st time (3/16/20) : Done
You can bring a horse to water, but you can't force that horse to drink.
Those he forknew would be conformed to his image. God knows the beginning from the end and knows who would believe and wouldn't believe. Those who would believe are predestined to be conformed to his image. This isn't God passing by some and choosing some for salvation.
I love a lot of stuff you do , but personally, I think you dropped the ball on this one.
People are chosen for service and different things, but never some to be saved and some not to.
The Lord knew through His foreknowledge, those who would choose Him.
You don’t get to ride the fence here
Dr. Woods doesn't believe some to be saved and some not to. He rejects all 5 points of Calvinism and has many videos teaching firmly against it. He's most definitely not on the fence. I find your comment baffling tbh.
@@seana1190 he doesn’t explain election. Election is basically for service. I agree he doesn’t think people are elected to salvation, but he doesn’t explain it well. He says the Bible teaches it as well. This can be confusing to a new believer.
Btw I’m a huge Andy Woods fan.
@@terierichards1366 amén!!!9
Is he claiming God created many with no hope of salvation, created solely for hell? The “world, all, whosoever” really doesn’t mean what it says? Sounds like limited atonement t heresy.
Compatability, it's wonderful, both are true, thank you so much for your teaching Dr/Pastor Andy ❤️
Does chosen have to do with salvation? Or does chosen usually have to do with a specific calling.
All of Israel is chosen. Not all of Israel is saved
Proverbs 16:4 / Romans 9 it's called sovereignty of God. 🙏
I agree, it's for God to fulfill a specific purpose, ministry or service through the chosen/elect group or individual. e g. unfallen angels are elect as 'ministering spirits', but do not need to be saved. Jesus is also elect but definitely doesn't need saving! Cyrus was chosen but was an unbeliever. That creates a difficulty if election is to eternal life.
@@rochelleschubert3374 This is an important distinction that is not often discussed. There is choosing and election for purposes other than individual salvation.
Romans 9-11 nothing to do with a choice of one Individual over another to save, this is choosing a nation to bring forth Christ in the flesh. Genesis 25:23-26 KJV
And the LORD said unto her, Two nations are in thy womb, And two manner of people shall be separated from thy bowels; And the one people shall be stronger than the other people; And the elder shall serve the younger. And when her days to be delivered were fulfilled, behold, there were twins in her womb. And the first came out red, all over like an hairy garment; and they called his name Esau. And after that came his brother out, and his hand took hold on Esau's heel; and his name was called Jacob: and Isaac was threescore years old when she bare them.
The scheme Jacob and his mother devised to get the birthright from Esau for Jacob from their father on his death bed was truly devious and shocking when you think about it. But Rebekah had been told by God when her sons were being born that Jacob should have it. Rebekah really orchestrated the plot and dressed Jacob in Esau's clothes. Esau may have already married a Canaanite woman and a daughter of "Ishmael" by that time which would have really annoyed Rebekah which is why she sent Jacoc to her relatives in Syria to find a wife. ( Gen.28)
@@lindadamico5614 amén!! Im so glad that the people of God are studying the Bible for themselves. The comments in this video thread are so encouraging. There is no tension or mystery!!
And just think, a Calvinist can with a clear conscience sing this Calvinistic accurate song to their children.
How sick is that?
The Calvinist children's hymn:
"Jesus loves me, this I know.
As for you, I don't think so.
Only some to Him belong. We are right and you are wrong.
Yes, Jesus loves me!
Yes, Jesus loves me!
Yes, Jesus loves me!
But I hope this isn't effervescent grace that I'm walking in and instead I'm actually deceived and one of the reprobates that He created to burn as a candle for His glory in Hell forever."
TRUTH IN LOVE
No man CAN come to me unless it has been granted by the Father! John 6:65. ALL the Father gives me WILL come to me. John 6:37a
This is needlessly complicated.
Check Leighton Flowers, ex calvinist.
Chosen is to service.
Predestined to what? Not salvation, but to be conformed to the image of Christ.
Flowers is so off his doctrine that anyone listening to him is ignorant and doesn't read study and understand their Bible. Yes i mean you who would dare lead people to a false teacher on sovereignty. Read up bible and believe God.
Now watch this and ask yourself who does biblical exegesis and who is a liar.
ruclips.net/video/_wuDloSP-VU/видео.html
This was painful to listen to-he usually appears more prepared/knowledgeable than this.
1st time (3/16/20) : Done
Was pastor Chafer a Calvinist
No.
Hi Pastor Andy! Not too sure whether U would reply me. With regards to John 3:16, there's a Calvinist name called James white debunked the misinterpretation of John 3:16. Can I share with u the link so that u can help to address this issue?
Becoming a prophet by the choice of God does not equate to salvation from the penalty of sin as predestinated by God before the foundation of the world. Warning, Calvinism.🚩
God draws and reveals truth to all. He makes the first move for everyone! He does not predestination unto salvation any individual. Those saved/elect according to foreknowledge of those would come the only way acceptable by grace through faith without works, Acts 4:12, Ephesians 2:8-9. Your baggage of Calvinism is evident. To assume the Lord DOES NOT OPEN ALL HEARTS HE KNOWS WOLL BELIEVE is error. He does not choose any one individual over another, those saved/elect according for knowledge of those who would come the only way acceptable by grace through faith without works, Acts 4:12, Ephesians 2:8-9. FOREKNOWLEDGE IS🚩NOT PREDESTINATION. Your baggage of Calvinism is manifested.
I think yours is the right explanation. "Foreknowledge" is the key. God is continually "drawing" all mankind through the preaching of the Gospel but they can "resist the Holy Spirit", as Stephen said when the Jews were stoning him. Knowing that mankind with free will would sin, I also think that the METHOD, (the CROSS) by which God would redeem men was what he establshed "before the foundation of the world" more than choosing individuals for salvation. Because God knows all of history by foreknowlege (which he does or prophecy is meaningless) he knows who will respond to the Gospel but he does not make their choice for them. When believers respond to the Gospel they are then "in Christ", "of his flesh and of his bones" and so included in the METHOD. I could be wrong but this seems like a possibility.
"Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you," 1 Peter 1:20
"According as he hath chosen us IN HIM before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:" Ephesians 1:4
Another possibility is: Because God has made, (and owns) all souls that have ever lived (Isa. 57:16) the souls that Jesus said are "given to Him by the Father" are the ones who respond to the Gospel out of all mankind in every age, not so much that God limits salvation. Adam and Eve clearly had free will and God addresses their descendants as though they do also, or the entire Bible makes no sense in the way God speaks to people.
@@lindadamico5614 well said! Amen!!
Yes. Love Andy Woods teaching as well but must say Whoa. Way too far a swing towards the Calvinism. The Elect is language referring to Israel primarily. “ Foreknowledge is God KNOWS how we will respond. Notice, predestination comes after foreknew, snd Chosen is how we will be used for service. “For many are called but few are chosen”. Study how the word is used in the Greek version of the NT used in the First occurrence of the word elect. The Septuagint, Greek translation of the Hebrew Scriptures. The Lord used it here not to Salvation but to Service. This translation is what Jesus used and we can assume Paul likewise
I agree with you, this would be one of the only things I would have disagreement w/ Andy about, this subject has puzzled me for years and only understand it partially, BUT whatever the true answer is GOD sent his grace in the atonement, in that I can trust.
It's sad people will go so far to hang on to a free will doctrine not realizing the truth. We never say men aren't freely choosing things but their wills are slaves to sin and not freely willing to come to Jesus. Instead they spend countless hours showing how men make choices. My goodness learn what your opponents are saying and stop burning strawmen.
The Bible is clear THAT we are dead to God, we do not choose HIM, the gospel is foolish to us and we love darkness rather than light. Paul was knocked off his religious PRIDE because he was not seeking God at all
Matthew 16:17
“And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.” THE ONLY WAY ANY HAVE THIS REVELED IS BY GOD, nothing unique here.
Your first mistake is mixing being called/justified/gift/OSAS/Eph 2.8/9 with chosen/sanctified/works/inheritance/elect. Mt 20.16/22.14, they are not the same and can not be used interchangeably. Chosen = sanctified, called = justified. The judgement seat of Christ is at stake/rewards positive and negative. You also dont understand man's spirit, soul, and body as all three died with Adam. All three must be redeemed, the spirit at rebirth, the body at the rapture, and the soul at the JSOC to determine entrance into the kingdom or not. Spirit/justification, soul/sanctification, body/glorification.
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It is not foolishness to try to understand, is this not what the Holy Spirit does- teaches us the deep things of God? The problem is, you misinterpreted the verses you used to teach election in the context of individual salvation, hence you have decided to throw up the idea of trying to understand rather than look at the truth which is you misinterpreted scripture.
I see the issue of election, in the light of the full counsel of God, as very simple. No one seeks after God. In his sovereign grace and mercy He chooses whom he will have relationship with. I don't like the phrase "free will" because it conveys in English the idea that we are making choices in some neutral zone outside of sin and righteousness, when God asserts we are either slaves of sin or slaves of righteousness. We are not free, but bound either way. Bound. How do we become slaves of righteousness? Remember: no one seeks God; therefore, God chooses those whom he frees from the law of sin and death. We are brought from death to life by the action of God. Our choices conform to this new birth condition.
This is called predestination if God chooses who's going to heaven and hell and you don't have a choice in the matter that's called predestination and not free will
Foreknowledge is not predestination. Their doom is appointed as they choose to…They were not appointed to trip. You are taking scripture out of context ad nauseam, what we should walk in is not how will choose to walk, chosen for each individual child of God does not equate to choosing individuals against their will to be saved while others are damned to an eternity in hell. You think you just chose passages teaching sovereignty regarding salvation🚩
You would be better off reading scripture only with the Holy Spirit, and avoid all teachers/books/opinions of man.
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Zero contradiction in scripture. This is the worst video I have seen by you. Intelligent on many subjects, blinded regarding election. No struggle, IT MAKES PERFECT SENSE IN CONTEXT.
I heavily disagree with the "free will" concept which doesn't exist. FAITH is again GODS WORK not of men. *John **1:13** + **5:29* We believe because God saved us BEFORE but we are not saved because we believed. Free will theology is good old Pelegianism / Arminianism. Sovereignty is biblical, free will is not. Read Martin Luther "The Bondage of Will" that might help. 🙏
@Daryl dannar I think you should read Martin Luther "The Bondage of Will" and come back again later? I truly do appreciate Andy Woods teachings and he has studied a lot for certain but he seems to have missed this classic of faith literature and ponder what it proves from scripture.
what exactly are the free will offerings mentioned dozens of times?
@@inTruthbyGrace These are according to the WILL OF GOD which is the only one to be called "free" from the source of origin. That's why Jesus also says, the "truth (i.e. He) will make us free". As soon as we submit our own (sinful) will to God, we get HIS will in exchange which is free.
@@Corinna_Schuett_GER I asked you what are the free will offerings mentioned several times... and your answer is: freewill offerings "are according to the WILL OF GOD which is the only one to be called "free" from the source of origin"
@@inTruthbyGrace It is so easy in fact: our own will is ALWAYS directed against God (see Romans 7 Paul explains!) but IN CHRIST it is directed TOWARDS God which is the only person in the universe with absolute free will. I cannot understand how this would be a difficult topic. Blessings your way! 🙏
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The doctrine of election concerns God's choosing of the believer for service, not His choosing of some unbelievers to believe and others not to believe. God's desire is for all men to believe the gospel, or be saved and to come to a knowledge of the truth ( 1 Tim. 2:4). Before the foundation of the world, God chose those who would believe the gospel be a minister of reconciliation to the unbeliever ( 2 Cor. 5:11, 18).
There is no contradiction or paradox between free will and election as long as man's free will is applied to belief in the gospel in justification and God's sovereign choice in election is applied to His choosing the believer for service in progressive sanctification.