Indonesian Military Training Is A Fratricide Nightmare
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- Опубликовано: 28 ноя 2022
- Some pretty wild footage from Indonesia shows instructors firing rifle rounds to within inches of their troops who are crawling through a mud pit below. This type of training is designed to instill some level of stress on recruits, and the US Military has versions of live-fire training like this, too. Only, in the US Military, the rounds are flying dozens of feet over the low-crawling servicemembers versus hitting the dirt. Bullets do all sorts of weird stuff when they impact something, like ricochet, deflect, and bounce. It's only a matter of time before training turns into fratricide.... - @RonnieFit
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Just say they died in combat
Hehehe
@nbh2153no needed while in traning
Damn less ammo used in a range exercise than this shit
it wasn't a nightmare, we were trained not to be afraid of bullets and not to be afraid of death. If it's a nightmare, what about the Palestinian children who die with holes in their heads, and their country is forcibly occupied. it's more of a nightmare.
Man, the guys in the tower are terrible shots. They didn't hit any of the guys low crawling. I guess this is why they are training.
Bruh...
@@MANUSIAxIKAN i know right?? those shooters suck, cant even hit guys 15 meters infront of them! why are they such bad shooters? Indonesia needs to fix their military
@@dhanajon5528 I think he "bruh"d cause he didn't get the original comment's true intention
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Lmao the joke was dark
Recruit - You are going to shoot blanks, aren't you?
Sergeant - Sure.
😂😂😂
you win the comment of the day!! lol
Yooooo Mr. Robot !!!
Segeant - when you know you know
This is why historic third world countries are taking over lately
They hard working. No softness. Can handle huge stress, injustice and hardship
If this training happen in usa. You would have a human rights and labour employement rights lawsuit 😂
- What if I fail the training?
- You will not know that...
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No scope after all
Before Joint Military, They Sign A Dead Contract, so if you know you know
There actually story, A Trainee that die. In that training because some Instructor use a bit too dangerous caliber so he got shot in head straight into from his helmet
@BangJohnny a regular military helmet usually won't stop rifle calibers. And those guys on the video all use calibers that will not be stopped by a regular military helmet. So, the issue was not the caliber but the instructor.
This is definitely the most dangerous version of this drill I've ever seen
That is insane.
we already have one tragedy on this training, some day a group of new cadet of military academy schedule to take a dopper exercise, unfotrunately one of the cadet got shot on his head, and the bullet make a hole on his helmet straight to his head, untill now if u come to indonesian military academy you will see a helmet with a hole on it, his name is mochammad socheh died on dopper training at military academy 1960
@HanzMahardika10 that happened in 1960 but this training still remains?
@@user-cnksi223 yap,
@@user-cnksi223 still bro till this day. I want to go to Indonesian Military Academy as a Cadet 2025.
this is how my grandparents walked to school every day
I had a jar of your username in my kitchen for my cats.
@@TheMylittletony then you are a beautiful cat loving person.
Next time we will hear people walk to school in the midst of US drone strike.
🤣😂
20 miles uphill in the snow with no shoes lol
Holy moly, that’s closer to target practice for the guys on the bridge than it is for the actual trainees
I noticed that too…also different wpn platforms, I think that last wpn was an M-14
@@greatcornholio5541 and switching gns throughout sets of fire because of overheating 😂
@@greatcornholio5541 They are using BM59
i was thinking someting like that, will prefer be the guys just crouching, image the punishment for friendly fire
@@viniciusbrian1315 there is 1 case where a soldier died during this training, this kind of training never used again now
i feel like they're just reminding them what happens if they retreat and run into a blocking deattachment
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Bro what are you doing here?
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They win Gold medals of Australian Army Skill At Arms Meeting (AASAM) 2019
With this level of drill, they better be. Or else...
This is completely unsafe: no one is wearing their hi-viz safety belt
CAN WE GET SOME PT BELTS OVER HERE PLEASE!?
@@THE12D1E4 😂😂
Brother, I’m dead lol
@@The85F0X Should have worn ur pt belt.
I thought the same thing. You can hardly make out the troops from the crap on the course.
Trainer: "We're going to fire a one or two rounds near you, so just keep crawling"
Recruit: "Oh good, that's reassuring"
Other trainers: "Did he believe you?" 🤣😂
Recruit : "Sir, why there're so many ammunition box"
Trainer : "Don't mind it"
Lol 😂
@@naufaldaffa194 Trainer : "Your answer is in the other side. Now crawl!"
Yes, these are genuine bullets and mixed with 5.56, I myself am an Indonesian
Recruit upon reaching the other side: "Um sir? I counted a hell of a lot more than two rounds!"
Trainer: "Yeah sorry, we meant one or two rounds per second"
" if he dies he dies"
Great reference.
we already have one tragedy on this training, some day a group of new cadet of military academy schedule to take a dopper exercise, unfotrunately one of the cadet got shot on his head, and the bullet make a hole on his helmet straight to his head, untill now if u come to indonesian military academy you will see a helmet with a hole on it, his name is mochammad socheh died on dopper training at military academy 1960
This training is to test the mentality of Indonesian soldiers who are faced with shooting bullets, this training is good so that our soldiers do not become confused by the sound of gunfire.
These guys have some serious trust in each other
Or else no say so whatsoever.
They probably just have to do it or get kicked out
imagine this one done by the Dutch army ruclips.net/video/jJpxThlrw8w/видео.html&ab_channel=ComradePjotrGriffinov
Probably just idiots wasting ammo 😂
no, they dont have a choice in the matter if they want to be a soldier
My unit actually got to go to Indonesia and train with the Indonesian army and yeah they’re wild lol
Wait you can’t just leave it at that! Story time
@@buckeyebeliever3397 lawl!
Garuda shield?
One bad lead of a target and it’s all lead…
One thing is wild and another is just plain stupid and one thing is for sure they aren't wild
As an Indonesian, I can confirm this is how my granddad went to school
Absolutely brilliant comment. Thank you.
Can’t believe he had to go both ways under fire too
As a Malaysian, during our communist insurgency, this is how they got to school
In which battle?
@@tribals8756pemberontakan komunis justru itu komunis orang asli Pribumi malasya yg dibantai tentara brithis 🤣🤣
This is some crazy training. These guys must have nerve’s of steel and I’m taking about the shooters, the guy’s crawling through this must be super human.
The ones crawling are just in full panic mode, not thinking anything. But the guys shooting must be feeling insane levels of anxiety.
This is not much, the Indonesian special navy forces(Kopaska) are practicing swimming with their hands & feet tied across the sea 😮 from Java island to Bali island
@@Dicka899Supposedly the USA used live fire training during WW2.
@@Dicka899yep, cause if the DOPPER (shooter) accidentally kills someone, or even just injures someone (like shooting in the leg or arm) they will have to take responsibility. That trainee who was injured probably can't train anymore, and those who were killed by accident... Well, yeah...
@@utubenewb1265 that’s during an existential war of annihilation so I can kinda understand that
Things you should note:
1. Trainees are guided with rope to prevent them crawling to the sides
2. Firing squad only allowed to shoot on either right or left side of the trainees
3. They use sharp live rounds
4. One and only casualty was on 1960 named M. Sholeh. He was shot in the head by 7.62mm GPMG round, which is more dangerous than what they use today.
this needs to be highlighted
I see many of them using BM59 rifles. They use the 7.62 NATO round.
@@iconofsin5886 some training camp use AK too. But the main reason is the controllability compared to any GPMG.
Sharp rounds lmao, cuz dull bullets won't hurt you.
Brother if im not wrong any bullet to the head would mark you dead
Fact: when it was first implemented, the exercise was implemented across for all army and navy soldier. But in 1960 when a minister's son who was a junior officer was accidentally shot and killed, this training was changed to only special marine units (Kopaska) and Kopasus.
Who's the minister's son?
@@massabiq9015 m sholeh i guess
You really believe its accidental? And not corruption / power struggle? lol
@@benjaminngyg1988 Not everything is a conspiracy.
@@wawawuu1514 But hey, considering of when it took place, it might be.
My friend’s dad trained in a SE Asian military camp similar to this (though not with this live fire exercise). He said he and some other guys used to sneak onto the mud obstacle course at night and sh1t in certain spots in the mud, especially where recruits had to crawl under barbed wire.
SE Asians always shitting anywhere but a bathroom
Your friends dad is a prick
Thats how training accidents happen
FYI, some training in TNI included live in septic tank mud for a few weeks. 🤔 only their head above the mud.
Here comes the ameritards with their stories no one asked about and how they’ve done that before 🥱
This is an interesting variation on the trust fall exercise
All I know about Indonesia is what I learned from The Raid movies, and this video just confirms what I already know.
Right!?
Well u can feel it just like live action when 'tawuran' happened lol
The Raid, The Night comes from us that's the most brutal Indonesian movies
Well, the actors of 'The Raid' were trained by Indonesian military instructors too, there's documentary videos about the movie behind the scenes.
@@naufaldaffa194the English for "tawuran" is "riot" btw.
My father was going through army basic back around the time NAM was going on. When I was a kid he told me about the training where you crawled under barbed wire while machine guns are firing a couple feet over your head. He used to tell me if someone freaked out and tried to stand up they'd have gotten shot. Fast forward to my own time in basic in 2011, they still do the same thing but they fired around 10 feet over your head, there's no way you'd get hit. I was actually mildly disappointed they dumbed down the danger level.
But this...This is something else entirely. I don't know if I could have done this without pissing myself. Those guys must come out the other side carved of stone.
I went through basic in 2011 (usmc) those were actually blanks being fired not actual ammunition
@@SD-vk5xy Mine was night fire with tracers.
Edit: Also it was majority tracers. So not a case where there might have been mostly blanks with a few tracers in between.
reminds me of jarhead where the exact same thing happened
@cowby6264 that's why jar head was a realistic marine experience
Most of indonesian basic training must have passed this, from navy, army and air force. If one of the cadets mentally stress out and ran out through, he would be home in 2x1 box
The recruits bullet avoidance skills are on point. Looks like they dodged them all!
This is mental strength training, if you are on the battlefield you will no longer be afraid of the sound and series of bullets being fired
Ukraine used to do the same for their better squads. It does help with increasing trust and getting used to the sound of bullets overhead, but yes of course its dangerous
I saw that clip of UA soldiers performing such training...but it was NOT from such a distance, angle, and muddy conditions
that makes but every good army on the "surplus track" or " overshot track "the difference is just that not next to one but above one is shot that one hears the bullets just. and just because it is safer. ok the distance variety strong. in germany it is 3m in france are if I remember right 1.50 i was on both.
Typically, this kind of freedom isn't common. There is a lot of trust built before this kind of exercise. It's like a roller coaster, there's always a chance you might die but usually nothing goes wrong.
@@jaynikk758 try that on dry land, and bullet will ricochet onto your skull 🤣
USED TO it means that they used to do it but not anymore 😂
The medics are gonna get alot of experience :D
It's "a lot", not "alot".
Last accidents is on 2014
@@slappy8941 never mind
@@slappy8941 thanks, I was doing an essay while procrastinating 👍
@@ANW1173 last REPORTED accident
Hell yeah let’s go 💪 glad these guys are our friends 🇨🇦 🇮🇩
Thank you friend 🇮🇩🤝
Terima Kasih🙏
Sorry you're not our friend
Skip 😂
@@Nebuchadnezzar00 Murica 😂😂
holy fuck. i thought the guy getting FF'ed in Jarhead was an exaggeration and they aren't really doing this IRL. damn
“This is the AK47 the preferred weapon of your enemy. It makes a very distinct sound when fired at you”
Heartbreak ridge?
@@lo0nyt0onz you know. Others should
@mtower235 my dad watched it all the time when I was growing up. Must of seen it 100 times 😂
@@mtower235 recon platoon kicks butt
@@lo0nyt0onz good times 😂
Lane 4 you killed a recruit. “Yeah small flash back.”
LOL it wasn’t me sir! He was a front sight magnet!
When your training kicks in and you acquire your target.
"Yea, must've been a dud then. Bullets aren't supposed to kill people".
"Oops, my finger slipped"
"Nah, never mind, we have enough recruits!"
That's one way to stop having a fear of incoming fire
My dad ever got this training.
He say even tho they know they are likely not going to get hit but the adrenaline is real.
He say the point of this training is not just to make u get used in high adrenaline but to train ur self to keep u not crazy while under heavy fire and still able to make decision.
Tho my dad say this thing doesn't really implemented in his career since the war he had been in only fighting separatist which is lack of financial so getting heavy fire is rare, he only had it 1 time when his intel house getting besieged by separatist but my dad get it to escape with 1 bullet in his left hand.
You never know when the training will be helpful, though. Glad your Dad is alright.
Which separatist may I ask ?
@@rmgardner13 most likely west Papuan.
@@rmgardner13 or perhaps Aceh
@@syuaip yep, after east timor. My dad take certified on anti-terror and send to aceh with Gultor in 2003, he scheduled to back in 2004 but there is 9,3 magnitudo earthquake and tsunami in aceh so his duty extended to 2005 and back after aceh restoration.
I was like why are they shooting into the mud like that then I seen the guys moving holy shit that’s wild
Going through the infiltration course at Camp Pendelton in 1969 they had water cooled Browning's shoot at 3 feet over the top of the troops doing the low crawl under barbed wire obstacles. That wasn't a big deal though, the 1/4 lb. blocks of TNT going off right beside us (in a shallow crater) was. It felt like it lifted you off the ground about 6 inches.
Chill guys. the selection to be a dopper in the Indonesian army is so difficult. Those shooters are the best of the best marksman in their corps. So far, there has been only one casualty since 1960.
Jesus Christ I don't think I can even brag about how I served in the Korean Army to these guys. That's just too insane to be real.
Blessed be His Holy Name.
Indonesia army Training is really insane like fr
Especially the Elite team
Try search kopassus hell week
It is real. And some have died.
I mean, I don't think they would put conscript in any ultra dangerous training. Unless you're in special unit, or in special situation, you won't be put in special training right? Idk.
And to think that even the police are considering this kind of training, this country is insane and thats coming from a local here
This is just another reason why the draft/conscription should be banned.
The government is still at the cave man throwing rocks and waving fire sticks level.
To think to United States government wanted Mohammed Ali to go through this.
They think aliens will say "take me to your leader" when our leaders do this.
They make farmers seem most intelligent.
Man, Polri is full of fatass nowdays.
My country realy are insane even the netizen are insane to
Well atleast is yours insane its better than stupid in my country
@@bartosztomasz thats kind of a bit offensive I live in South East Asia its like youre saying we all dont value human life
look at the many comments saying that "the trainer has poor aim", if you want to know more please find out how many deaths the practice has, I have searched for several articles saying the drill has penetrated many steel helmets.
I personally know a few trainees who died or became vegetables at the military school (I know who are the parents). It's more like the Russian army than a professional army. The level of bullying is insane.
This is to a higher level than the tracers being fired overhead of us as we low crawled through mud water and barbed (not concertina) wire in OSUT at Ft. Sill in 83.
Its one of those civilian outreach programs where the military comes and plows your field for you.
Lol, they actually go to civilian rice field nearby and have training there
“I’m a lead farmer mothrfka!!”
lmao
I'm a lead farmer madapaka!
the lead make the soil more fertile
Exactly what it was like trying to change my target during 'cease fire' at a local range.
Always carry a pistol in a holster just so you can jump behind a berm and "get their attention." 😁
The real test: fighting the intrusive thoughts.
This is dopper man
This is the reason why ID Military is rank 13 on strongest military index
Shooter accuracy: +100%
Soldier stress resistance under fire: +200%
I see this as an absolute win
It's all fun and games til someone gets shot and a cover up happens
@@ArcturusOTE except it was never a game to begin with. You act as if the military doesn't go to die. This will prepare them for that eventuality.
@@ArcturusOTE if the soldiers can't pass this training then they may as well not be put into service since they'll just die in vain.
@@ArcturusOTE it actually happened tho
@@ArcturusOTEAlready happenned once in 1960.
Well, i imagine you exit training either absolutely fearless or with PTSD 😂
If, still alive.
Why no have both
@@andrewj3177 Thats Psycopathy, not PTSD...
So far, TNI soldiers have not experienced this. I have relatives and neighbors who are soldiers. They have not experienced PTSD, instead they are happy to share their experiences.
@@alurfilm2D you didnt know cuz they tell u, some of them too pride to admit
The guys in the tower would be the perfect stormtrooper 😂
Looks like 3 buried pneumatic lines & a shit-ton of blanks.
Yeah accidents have happened in this type of training, apparently they figured out that rounds like 7.62x39 and 7.62 Nato are less likely to bounce or ricochet so thats why you see them using AKs and M14s instead of the Standard issue FNC/SS 1 or SS 2 that are chambered in 5.56
... Good? However, those are not M14s, those are likely Beretta BM59s
Funny thing is BM's is based on M1 Garand platform.
@@wenaldy it's still a different gun
Actually looked like a BM-59
Actually….who gives a fuck
We did similar when training in the US Marine Corps. We had to low crawl through muddy, wet trenches and under barbed wire, exactly as they're doing in this video. Except the Marine instructors fired several feet over our heads, rather than shooting at the ground near us. They did have little explosions that shot mud and water up into the air, but that was caused by compressed air underneath the ground in certain areas. In addition to firing real weapons over our heads, they also had loud speakers *blasting* the sounds of a battlefield: the sound of explosions, gunfire, men shouting orders, men screaming in pain or horror, the sound of bullets hitting metal; the *snap* sound of bullets passing nearby; etc.
It was actually extremely intense. It really put into perspective how terrifying actual combat is. Even though this was just a simulated battlefield and we were perfectly safe, I remember my heart was racing, my adrenaline was pumping, and I even felt sick to my stomach just from the tension and adrenaline rush. It felt so authentic.
Yeah they did the same in army basic but I wouldn't call it similar to these because what both you and I experienced posed significantly less danger to our lives 😂
We call thats Ting IF or inflitrasi force training...we doing thats training before doper training....
@@dirhamagussalim629 what does Dopper mean?
@@UrMomGoes2College i don't know the meaning.....but i doing thats training in basic infanteri school 3 mount... and IF training from basic military school 6 mount...and afther that they deploy me in 125 infanteri batalyon.
Much better & safer than in this vid
O Block looks nice now they’ve cleaned it up a bit.
Actually it's really is dangerous, some people die in the area because of panic or losing their focus or the bullet got ricochet or got some fragments of the bullet
Indonesian here, the drill name is "Dopper" in other word means "Baptist" inspired by several combat situations during war against communist in 70s.
The drill used to be implemented on special forces only, but since there is zero casualties within these decades, this drill is currently implemented into some other main units. As you can see on the instructor's cloth it says "KOSTRAD" (Komando Strategi Angkatan Darat) or Army Strategic Reserves Command.
The Dopper instructors usually are chosen among champions from international shooting championship such as AASAM, etc. So they are definitely top sharpshooters using bad recoils guns like AK-47.
There is no conscript/draft for joining military in Indonesia, and the cadets knew/noticed what they will be face before joining the army or chose the unit. Wich means they have FREE options to take it or leave it. IF they killed in this drill, they will be considered as KIA.
dumb
appreciate the explanation man
@@zd1322 it's not dumb to train real experiences that was actually happened.
And the soldiers is willing to take their chance because if they managed to pass the tests and join the military, they will not only get the monthly salary, but also they will get pension funds after they retired from the army.
If the soldiers KIA or passed away, their wife will continue to get their pension funds and health insurance every month from the government. That's why it's impossible for you to see a retired soldier or vets (or their wife) become a homeless or beggar in Indonesia.
@@skinnycol809 you're welcome.
Who does Indonesia support in the Russian Ukrainian war?
“Train like you fight.”
die like you die?
more like train like you die
You fight crawling on your belly in mud with no weapons while taking friendly fire? Lol
Getting shot from the back?
If you fight like this - you're screwed
2 things to take form this training.
1. Of course, mental preparedness. When you're desensitized to bullets hitting close next to you, you're going to be a lot more more calm during a real firefight, hence having an edge over your enemies.
2. You learn to build trust in your comrades. You're basically putting your life on the hands of the trainers, and them not hitting you is a testament of their marksmanship. As a solider you'd feel a lot more comfortable and confident knowing your comrades know how to hit a target.
This is exactly how it sounds like when you make popcorn at 2am
I am from Indonesia and this is KOPASSUS Dopper training of Indonesian Elite Special Forces (KOPASSUS) The Red Beret. You will know if someone is KOPASSUS because they only wear the red beret with different camouflage uniforms than any other regular Indonesian arms forces.
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Nice to see the BM59 still being used. And used alongside AK type rifles nonetheless. Are they Type 56's?
The Indonesian army has some pretty cool vehicles too, AMX-13 light tanks with 105mm guns and CRV(T) FV101 Scorpion light tanks upgunned with 90mm Cockerill Medium-Pressure guns. And they use these things alongside other modern and modernized vehicles.
I'm pretty sure they're not the type 56 as the type 56 front sight are fully enclosed while the one on the video is partially closed
Anyone whos ever trained with those guys knows how much they like to show this video lol. Always so funny
Better not piss anyone off before this happens
Dude, I was thinking the same.
Lol There's a reason why the recruits are always kind to the instructor, they even sometimes send gift to their home like fruits
@@35_raidenramadhan_tm16 I would to that is insane what if they caught or sneeze much respect
Many recruits die. Usually from bullying tho.
Women: How can i trust you?
Meanwhile Men :
Yeah like guys won't tell more lies for sex than for guns.
"It's only a matter of time before training turns into fratricide..."
I totally agree with that. Yes, I love a training that turns boys into real and tough men that serves what is right, garrison the land and national security, but safety in training is of an importance too. A small thing the trainers can do is to make sure that they are using a less lethal round so you don't kill your own brother...
God bless Indonesia
what doesn't kill you, makes you stronger
Obviously they are using nonlethal. They are shooting aks. Flesh wound at best.
@@mikepaul3200 tf are you talking about 7.62x39 is a hell of a round, and more people have probably been killed by ak’s then any other type of gun
@@balsamicvinegerchips1729 That was what we call a joke. One that obviously went over your head. But thanks for playing.
@@balsamicvinegerchips1729 oof
Not a cell phone in sight. Just people living in the moment
Perfect implication of the, no cell, people just living in the moment meme LOL..
the guy recording 🤫
@@forwarduntodawn. a camera.
"Indonesia has 250 million inhabitants, and most male residents have aspired to become soldiers since childhood. This is the result of the best military doctrine of the Indonesian military, namely SISHANKAMRATA or the Total People's Defense and Security System."
they know they won't get shot. unless they're get scared and try to run
reminds me of the scene in Jarhead when the marines have to crawl under fire and one of the privates stand up from fear and gets headshotted
Poor guy would have died anyway. Better it happens during training instead of overseas during contact and failing the rest of his squad.
@@joecee6862 not really, because you have a machine gunner that has to live with killing one of his comrades and the trauma it can cause on the rest of the the trainees is unnecessary.
And maybe the guy was going to be in some logistics / rear echelon unit.
It would have been better if he would have failed in any other way.
@@Pratt_
Believe me, our mentality, the Asian nation is bigger and stronger than any other nation..
@@joecee6862This is such hilariously bad take lmao. I hope you're not serious
@@joecee6862 trolling or brain damaged
This is absolutely insane and morally questionable, however there is no better way to simulate taking fire. It’s not the the noise, or the splashes, it’s the fact YOU KNOW it’s live ammo. There is a definite possibility you will get shot, especially if you panic. It’s going to dump your adrenals, make your legs jello, and give you that floaty disassociated feeling. Now when they experience that in combat, it won’t be a shock as they’ve had that look before. IMO this is a very intentional and calculated high risk training technique and definitely effective to improve combat composure.
Facts
@@1767hfdh incorrect. Hard training that has killed people has made soldiers better prepared for war. Countries like this are just more accepting of the risk.
General sir Peter de la belliere in his foreword to the book, the anatomy of courage. Speaks of his time as a platoon commander in Korea in the British Army. And that he without a doubt unquestionably accepts that hard training with live rounds landing near soldiers, explosions etc simulated the best experience of battle that they could get. It unquestionably saved lives, at the expense of a poor, unlucky few who were killed in the training.
Harsh but it's reality. Want harder soldiers? Put them through harder training.
Btw, I don't necessarily know the best way to simulate battle, it seems like this could be done much safer, with the same effect, i.e crawl lanes under razor wire to prevent people bolting away maybe?
Furthermore, weapons that are strongly fixed and only able to pivot up and down a lane, not side to side. Reducing the risk of human error.
@@1767hfdh seriously a AK at what looks like 75yards.Sorry they are not that accurate. I would like to know how many friendly fu*ks have happened on this "course".
Theres plenty of effective training that isn't asking for a blue on blue situation...
@@p_campbell only 1 fatality has happen its in 2014
Ft Sill 2008 US Army BCT a drill sergeant had a negligent discharge with an M2 and killed a private..
I really want to join the army but I'm going to college, but no one knows what life is like. Jaya terus TNI
Ke kampus aja dulu.
Biar ada buffer time selama 4-5 tahun buat persiapkan fisik yg prima. Baru masuk ke TNI.
Kalo TNI lulusan universitas bakal berpeluang ditempatkan di posisi strategis sesuai keahlian dari kampus.
@@justarandompotato6272 iya bang ini lgi binsik
Just have a good body and all. I wanted to go to Army (or at least government instance school) but since I broke two of my teeth I cant. No really, they do be counting on thing as little as that. Also the college may help if you try to join the officer's school.
As ridiculous as it looks, I think it's better to experience the sound of bullets landing right next to you and your adrenaline shooting through the roof in the relatively "safe" conditions during training than for the first time ever during a war. That slight bit of experience might make a huge difference.
Go do it yourself
Exactly
@@eljoho622 what kind of argument is this? He don't need to do that cuz there already people who do that and we could ask them how they feeling it. It's like put some critic to your president and his supporter be like: "oh yeah? How about you do it yourself" de fuck.
@@eljoho622 what the hell is this argument? You're a f--kn weirdo
u know qt even 25 meters u can miss by a couple feet on automatic and a couple meters if on automatic so that why u dont do this lol
This may be a controversial way of looking at this situation but I kinda agree with the idea behind this. Maybe not the execution as there are way more guys on the firing line then need be, but this kind of exercise in theory helps develop a sort of mental numbness to being shot at in combat thus keeping solders focused on there job over the fear of getting shot. It also, in theory, should help promote trust among solders being able to conduct close fire support without hitting your own men.
I agree
They are not at war. Why risking giving your soldiers mental health issues? Not to mention the risk of killing one. This is totally unacceptable. No professional army is doing this and they still are skilled soldiers. You should fear getting shot to survive. This isn't WW1.
Let’s put u down there then, idiot
Sure but giving your soliders gun shot wounds even before war is hmm i donno how to put this. Getting shot or getting injured during this exercise it's unnecessary in my perspective. It's better to train the soldiers on tactics and hammer it into their brains so they follow the order due to muscle memory. Sure there is this shock that they get when they are under enemy fire but even after that training they will still be under shock cause the intent with which the bullets are coming at them are different. Especially when one of your guys get shot fatally right in front of you that puts you off your game.
1 line 1 soldier and 1 shooter
Of course they'll know the suspect
This is the definition of trust your team mate
This is insane. Theres a lot to be said about being on the other side of gunfire, and your first exposure of that feeling. But this is reckless with little value compared to the risk doing this.
Considering you are a state guard, this training is naturally carried out by a state fighter.
This is standard training for all Indonesian branches of Armed Forces.
Its goes back to 50's when Lt Col Ahmad Yani (later Chief Of Army and killed in 1965 Communist coup d'etat attemp) formed Banteng Raiders to fight Islamic Rebels in Central Java. Mr Yani starting the training that made all candicate as spartan fighters by using live firing as we saw today
Source?
@@skeletonwguitar4383 you can check all branch training you will find similar training
Indonesia is a Muslim country why would they fight Islamic rebel 😂
@@Vampybattie they're not. Malaysia is an even more of a muslim country than Indonesia is. They just happened to have the biggest population of Muslims in the world. But in no way they are a muslim country as they also recognise other religions. It's literally the first thing they mentioned in their ideology Pancasila: "Ketuhanan yang Maha Esa" (Belief in the one and only God). As long as you believe in a God, you're good. Bad news for atheists tho.
@@Vampybattie after independent extremist islamist, communist and nationalist fight each other....
Now THAT is what we needed in basic. Some real fucking terror!
and i assume PTSD as well?
Yep, Army training in indonesia are real goat, I remember my mom showed me her little brother picture that died back in 1986 during live grenade training in the Army. The Indonesian Army slogan also quite tempting ,"Its better to bath in sweat during training than bath in blood in real fighting"
It's excellent training. Just as good as jumping over burning tyres.
This is exactly what my father told me, he is an infantry officer in the Indonesian Army. And what we se here is a special force(Kopassus) training. My father used to tell me that the special force didnt need anyone whos the smartest, anyone whos the strongest, the army have their own standards.. that is why theres someone who are smarter and stronger than my father but they didnt pass this special force recruitment. The army wanted someone with the ability to think straight underpressure and underfire and not too much questioning an order or being a smartass.. and someone with the average strenght but not too much of a brute force that cant make rational decision and being reckless.. good enough, well rounded, effective, team-player, good leader and know what their doing.. thats what the army wants for the special forces.. and this training is one of the example they wanted to build a soldier towards the goal
Precise.
Right 👍🏻
Mantap respect buat bokap lo mas bro. ⚔️
Why don't the indonesian government just invest in robots if that's the case then?
@@enraikow6109 Why doesn't your country??
It takes balls of steel to go through that course!!!
Balls of flack jacket
no, you just need to keep going forward following the line and you will be fine
Because the Indonesian army has a doctrine that it is better to fail on the training field than to fail on the battlefield. This training is only one that is seen in the media, not all.
In a perfect, zero accident environment, this exercise could’ve or could be a very powerful training tool
Disclaimer: No Indonesian Military Forces were harmed during the the filming of this exercise.😂
yeah probably just rubber bullets, those guys ain't the taliban
@@blyatpotato9484 nope, it's a live round, not rubber
Here some proof
www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http%3A%2F%2Fmilitermeter.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2018%2F09%2FFB_IMG_1537491595873.jpg&imgrefurl=https%3A%2F%2Fmilitermeter.com%2Fm-sholeh-korban-latihan-doopper-tni%2F&tbnid=6ZqTTZA6zVImvM&vet=1&docid=A4RTASRC_q2LaM&w=612&h=612&hl=in-ID&source=sh%2Fx%2Fim
@@blyatpotato9484 no man,that's live rounds.
@@blyatpotato9484 I highly doubt that there are cartridges with rubber projectiles out there that actually cycle in an AK reliably and somehow are cheap enough for fucking Indonesia to magdump them onto recruits.
@@blyatpotato9484 no mate, those are real bullets and they're sharp
They know it's not gonna hit them if they keep moving low, in a defensive line, without any sudden movements, without raising the hips and without panicking. This is exactly what you should do when you need to move under fire.
Every army that trains their soldiers this way, is a good army.
I've trained with the Indonesian military. Met some cool guys. Made some great friends. Absolute sons of guns. Cheers from an Indian soldier.✨🇮🇳
The thing is, with the angle they are firing at. I'm not sure it actually does that. It's more just pray the guy shooting has a strong grip.
@@bengale9977 Yeah it actually depends a lot on the guy who's firing. Also, bullets can ricochet off small stones and other bullets. That is the real danger.
Also, if you look closely, they are firing in a pattern of two blank rounds followed by a loaded round. In effect, they are reducing the risk by 1/3rds. The guns that they are shooting are marksmen rifles, which have almost nil lateral deviation, so if they avoid the outline of the soldier, they're clear.
But yeah, it mostly depends on how strong the grip of the shooter guy is. A weak wrist will result in stray shots and injured cadets.
@@orion7326 Dude some of them are shooting stock AK's, nothing special there. There are some M-14 derived marksman rifles being used too.
@@richardjames1812 Yup. You're right. Most of them are AKs with the stock on. Also, if you look closer, you'll see that the barrel is different than what we usually have on the AK. It might be an Indonesian adjustment, IDK.
By placing the gun on the beam, they are eliminating hand support to align the gun with the target vertically. This allows them to use the hand for lateral control, so that their bullet doesn't deviate laterally.
Also, they fire live shots near the legs of the crawling cadets. This is because if any bullet ricochets off a previously fired bullet, it will hit the lower body of the cadet, thus preventing him from being fatally injured. These are just a few of the precautions i've noticed them take.
Sure, but ideally outside of blank injury distance.
Friends, all training to be a soldier must be difficult
Out in combat sometimes the only way to know where they are is a machine gun firing at you, a line of bullet impacts shows where it is. That’s on flat ground
We used this technique to overcome fear when being deployed to the Frontline.. it's not about high adrenaline but to remain under control and self stay under direct shot..
You can have this example before Russia invade Ukraine, they trained their soldier with this same method but just a month before the hell breaks loose.
And 'Dopper' it's actually just the same as marksmanship.. they need to Be the best shooter and required a lot of training. Most of them were special unit/ elites, only one accident ever happened and it's during the year 1960..
Man there was no training like that in the Russian military (except Wagner Inc.)
@@youtubeuser_custom_1this is Indonesian army training...
@@daudirawan7592 Yes I know, I told about SomeGuy comment about Russian training
@@youtubeuser_custom_1 you're missuderstood sir, he told about some training for Ukrainian army is same as seen on this video
@@Cleeon Got it, my fault
I watched the movie Raid so this is the reason why Indonesians were good at fighting.
Actually, we kinda sucks at fighting 😄
@@SangajiSarkoro hes talking about the armed forces not average Indonesian
The raid setting is Indonesian police, the new recruit.
This is a Indonesian Army, they have very different method in training
@@SangajiSarkoro well, every night in random city there always drunken head causing random people to die so not exactly suck but suck for the innocents.
How do you think that our military would be able to regain control of Aceh, the renegade province, in early 2000, when the rebels had controlled almost the entire region if we didn't have a disciplined and professional military? also, remember that Indonesia could repulse genghis khan invasion in 12th century....
stormtrooper simulation objective : do not hit a single dummy
Because they choose weapons with such sophisticated sights, low recoil and excellent precision
theres a story about Taruna Merah (red cadet) ghost, when he conducted this kind of training, a snake was crawling infront of him and wants to bite him so he eventually evade by lifting his head suddenly and got shot in the head and died. his head and helmet all blooded red and ppl said his soul is still wander around the camp
Aduhh..
is this true or an urban legend
@@madhukarjonathanminj2772 probably urban legend
@@houghwhite411 it's real, his name was Kopcar Moch Shochen, his penetrated helmet is showcased
Similar story about an Indian soldier
This makes the training accident scene in Jarhead look like an OSHA approved safety course.
😂
Reminds me of the South African Special Task force guys that do hostage rescue training with live ammunition... and live hostages.
The footage is pretty crazy, they breach the door, flashbang, and fire 2 headshots into an IPSC headbox from about 15 yards away with an MP5. Then as she smoke clears you realize that the "hostage" standing in front of the target was one of the insteuctors, and those rounds went about 3 inches to the left of his head.
They're both training. The crawling one & the shooters...
This may look crazy but Indonesia is an Island nation. Defending it or to gon on the offensive will likely require an amphibious assualt which might very well be a contested one. There is a high chance that these soldiers could go through such a scenario once war breaks out
The only thing is, in a real life scenario the enemy will be aiming for their heads and not ground. This kind of training is pointless and reckless.
@@integratedhatespreader It's training for heavy fire from enemy. It teaches you to be calm when being shot at by the enemy. Then again, your scenario only works if the enemy is on the high ground. What if they're on a flat plane?
"An island nation"?
It's fhe largest archipelago nation, sir
@@integratedhatespreader no actually, most militaries train their soldiers to shoot center mass, rather than aim for any other areas of the human body.
@@integratedhatespreader but bullets will be hitting ground and hissing past you. you gotta be ready for that hissing and cracking sound
I can't believe someone would be so unsafe! Not a single person has on a mask....crazy
Plandemic 😷
western doesn't want any trouble with them a country with 250 million muslims
There is no safe at Battlefield
@@yonnynugrahadi bruh what the hell 🤣
@@bifwi8386 that's true right? 🤣
That has to be one hell of an experience
Judging from the Instructors apparels...These men are part of Indonesian Army Strategic Reserves Division.
Which is in some aspect of their duties are comparable to U.S Army Brigade Combat Team.