Rhomboid pain / interscapular pain / pain between the shoulder blades

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    In this video, we'll discuss rhomboid pain, the most common type of pain between the shoulder blades. We'll explore the causes and treatments of rhomboid pain, and give you some tips on how to relieve your pain.
    If you're experiencing pain between your shoulder blades, be sure to watch this video to find out what the most likely cause is and how to treat it! With a little effort, you'll be able to get rid of your rhomboid pain and return to your regular life!
    📚 ARTICLES: Cloward et al. (1954): www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/arti...
    Slipman et al. (2005): pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/15996...
    Dwyer et al. (1990): pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/2402682/
    Dreyfuss et al. (1994): Thoracic zygapophyseal joint pain patterns. A study in normal volunteerspubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/8202799/
    Young et al. (2008): bmcmusculoskeletdisord.biomed...
    Murphy et al. (2009): www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/arti...
    00:00 - 00:37 Intro
    00:37 - 01:12 Different Causes for Rhomboid Pain
    01:12 - 03:55 Cervical Referred Pain
    03:55 - 05:45 Thoracic Referred Pain
    05:45 - 07:56 Local Muscle Pain
    07:56 - 09:41 Longterm Solution
    09:41 - 09:59 Outro
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Комментарии • 63

  • @muhammadsega6532
    @muhammadsega6532 19 часов назад

    thanks man you deserve to be in heaven

  • @meganmcdonald8161
    @meganmcdonald8161 Год назад +27

    I have had one patient, a fit and otherwise well man in his 40’s. Athletic. Went through the clinical reasoning, approximately as you described, and found nothing. The posterior thoracic pain was intermittent, worsened by cycling to work, relieved with rest. He thought it was his handle bar set up. I sent him to his Dr. as a precaution and told him to call an ambulance if it came back when exercising. It did the next day. They saved his life. It was cardiac in origin. He had a Quad CABG within 36hours. I was so very shocked even after my slight suspicions.

    • @lizg.8626
      @lizg.8626 4 месяца назад

      Wow! You saved his life! You’re clearly in the right profession. Amazing job. ❤️🙂

  • @cadencemorgan2121
    @cadencemorgan2121 4 месяца назад

    Thank you! Well put together video

  • @Jakobguldager70
    @Jakobguldager70 Год назад +14

    Please do more of these in relation to the spine! It's awesome

  • @stinasachse7446
    @stinasachse7446 Год назад +1

    Amazing work! Thank u guys

  • @ericmedo3065
    @ericmedo3065 Год назад +1

    Very informative, thank you

  • @moritzhellmann4061
    @moritzhellmann4061 Год назад +6

    Super helpful video.
    Thanks for the effort!

  • @catherinehennings6066
    @catherinehennings6066 Год назад

    Excellent information

  • @baraklevy3344
    @baraklevy3344 Год назад +1

    Thanks for this video elaborating on several causes. Should give it a try.

  • @jalalmajdi5682
    @jalalmajdi5682 Год назад +2

    best video ever !! as physiotherapist it helped alot ... please make more of these videos .. thanks

  • @leonardopensador
    @leonardopensador 7 месяцев назад

    Amazing. Really helped me a lot. Gratings from Brazil.

  • @totalmotiontraining
    @totalmotiontraining Год назад +1

    Instantly feel better after the rhomboid stretch demonstrated at the end of the video.

  • @lalboihangsing1187
    @lalboihangsing1187 Год назад +3

    I've been dealing with this for months now on and off in my upper back between the shoulder blades tight burn pain and in my midback too

  • @petemorbius3936
    @petemorbius3936 4 месяца назад

    good info

  • @leonina72
    @leonina72 Год назад

    Thank you for sharing this great information

  • @ramchillarege1658
    @ramchillarege1658 Месяц назад

    EXCELLENT VIDEO! I have been suffering from this pain and after 4 different doctors, not nailed it. More confusion and little improvement. I think you nailed it..Will work through this and figure out what exactly is happening. Thank you.

  • @wenhuiliu5893
    @wenhuiliu5893 Год назад +1

    it's really helpful to me!thanks a lot.

  • @Theodinsson
    @Theodinsson Год назад +1

    I use a different technique to palpate the rhomboids : shoulder in internal rotation with scapular winging.
    You could almost make the same video about the scalene and cervical referred pain. Mostly it's cervical in origin.

  • @cerberez
    @cerberez Год назад

    can you give advice on flat thoracic spine? I've had this since childhood it is mild but cause nerve pains and irritability for years now and i dont know how to fix it? is it even possible to fix this?

  • @wernerklopper6015
    @wernerklopper6015 2 месяца назад

    I think my pain comes from neck and mid back. But after 3 years and two rizotimy in neck i’m over it… but good video…

  • @BigMike83m
    @BigMike83m Год назад

    Nice dog 🤩👍

  • @hasdhs1145
    @hasdhs1145 Год назад

    Thank you very much for this work, but is it possible to put an Arabic translation, with all the cordiality of you

  • @mcortellivars
    @mcortellivars Год назад

    Los ejercicios que indica ,el trapecio medial y superior intervienen más que el romboides,deltoides o trapecio inferior. Normalmente cuando alguien tiene dolor el el romboides suele tener afectado también el trapecio superior,por lo tanto esos ejercicios le pueden perjudicar!.
    El estiramiento del romboides ok!

  • @damianvankalsbeek6890
    @damianvankalsbeek6890 Год назад +1

    Are the strength excercises only indicated when the origin of pain is from the muscle?

    • @Physiotutors
      @Physiotutors  Год назад +3

      Strengthening exercises can and should still be used for origins other than myofascial.
      In case of referred pain from the neck, we would focus a bit more on the neck and in case of thoracic referred pain, we would mainly target the er. spinae in the thoracic area.

    • @damianvankalsbeek6890
      @damianvankalsbeek6890 Год назад +1

      @@Physiotutors thanks. this makes clinical reasoning much easier during internship. last year now ;)

  • @hilaryneidhart7763
    @hilaryneidhart7763 2 месяца назад

    Dachshund at 6:19 !

  • @youwilllaugh3136
    @youwilllaugh3136 Месяц назад

    8:48 time and sets?

  • @Juri5005
    @Juri5005 Год назад +1

    gibt es auch eine möglichkeit die Videos in deutsch zu sehen? Ich weiß das es einige auf Thieme gib, aber so viele die ich gerne sehen und verstehen würde gibt es dort nicht. mfg

    • @Physiotutors
      @Physiotutors  Год назад

      Hallo
      Die deutschsprachigen Videos auf Thieme haben wir exklusiv produziert. Die Inhalte auf RUclips gibt es zum großen Teil auch mit deutschen Untertiteln. Dies wird in der Zukunft auch zunehmen.

  • @theoutsider1140
    @theoutsider1140 15 дней назад

    What is PA pressure? 😅

  • @gregmarquissee3364
    @gregmarquissee3364 Год назад +1

    Costovertebral?

  • @Phuktup3
    @Phuktup3 2 месяца назад

    Great video, looks very helpful. Of course, my gf walks in during one the demos you’re doing with the other guy. 😅. It’s for my back pain, I promise! Lol 😂

  • @Artthroughmyeyes
    @Artthroughmyeyes Год назад +2

    I got distracted by the pup

  • @Sylorinnis
    @Sylorinnis Год назад +8

    The dorsal scapular nerve refers a deep pain or a burning / itching pain to the medial side of the scapula and is said to be a greatly underrecognized pain especially in young active individuals, why didn't you include this cause in the video? On contrast, there is no high quality evidence for the trigger points / myofascial pain as a primary cause of pain (only secondary to e.g. cervical radiculapathy or nerve entrapment syndromes or inflammatory conditions)

    • @moritzhellmann4061
      @moritzhellmann4061 Год назад +2

      Didn't they mention cervical spine combined with referred pain as first possible reason?

    • @Sylorinnis
      @Sylorinnis Год назад

      @@moritzhellmann4061 Entrapment of the dorsal scapular nerve is usually at the level of the (middle) scalenes, but can be c5/6 radiculapothy as well yes

    • @moritzhellmann4061
      @moritzhellmann4061 Год назад +1

      @@Sylorinnis ah you were talking about Throacic outlet Syndrom, I see. Yeah you are right.

    • @Physiotutors
      @Physiotutors  Год назад +7

      @Sylorinnis. Do you have a source saying that dorsal scapular nerve entrapment is underrecognized?
      There are certainly many more possible origins of pain, but the pain we are talking about that we see in 99% of patients in our practice is not nerve pain. On top of that, nTOS is highly debated and most end up with a diagnosis of cervical radiculopathy . That group also commonly reports medial scapular pain (Mitzutamari et al. 2010).
      Trigger points are highly debated as well and there is a lot to be said about it (makes for at least 1-2 separate videos). However, whatever they are, they are a phenomenon that is commonly seen, even though we do not know the reason for those sore spots. We'd put them under the umbrella term of muscle pain.

    • @Sylorinnis
      @Sylorinnis Год назад

      @@Physiotutors No, I don't, although many practioners and some authors claim it is. I agree this doesn't prove anything. The existence of NTOS by the way is not "disputed" anymore or "controversial", but a well-established condition with well-established diagnostic criteria and with proven successful surgical treatment by RCT (surgery vs PT), see for example Goeteyn et al. (2022). Also, where did you get that "most" end up with cervical radiculopathy? I don't know what you mean by that. Personally, I have the feeling that scapular pain is often non-specific (let's say "muscle pain") when it is mild and cannot be provoced by neck tests or upper extremity loading , but when it is chronic, moderate to severe, and can be provoced, it is often respectively either cervical disc disease or dorsal scapular nerve entrapment secondary to thoracic outlet syndrome.

  • @user-ji8zx3rr2h
    @user-ji8zx3rr2h Год назад +2

    I would like to ask, I have a pain in my left shoulder blade for a year now and many times it seems to catch.
    I also feel a strange sensation of pain in front just below the breast (corresponds to the level of pain behind the shoulder blade).
    I have had blood tests, chest magnetic resonance imaging and chest X-ray and everything is normal.
    what could it be?

    • @BytesizedL
      @BytesizedL Год назад

      I am having similar problem as well :(

    • @user-ji8zx3rr2h
      @user-ji8zx3rr2h Год назад

      @@BytesizedL how long have you had the pain and how is it?

    • @BytesizedL
      @BytesizedL Год назад

      @@user-ji8zx3rr2h I’ve had the pain for about 6 months now. I went to see one of the best physiotherapist in town but still couldn’t solve it for long term. mine is suspected to be referred pain from my neck. I’ve had neck pain and front shoulder pain before rhomboids. all on my left side. how about you?

    • @user-ji8zx3rr2h
      @user-ji8zx3rr2h Год назад

      @@BytesizedL do you also have pain in the front of your chest? and if so where exactly?
      I have had it for 1.5 years straight, almost every day, all my tests are normal
      have you had any imaging tests?

    • @BytesizedL
      @BytesizedL Год назад

      @@user-ji8zx3rr2h I have some pain (very minor) below my left chest, about near my ribs. I did not do any imaging test so far. which side of your chest is painful?

  • @audrealambert9583
    @audrealambert9583 9 месяцев назад

    BF,s always complaining about pain in this area

  • @Prostakar
    @Prostakar Год назад

    Great video, but the trigger point stuff should not meet the evidence criteria. I would recon that neromuscular connection, yes, but trigger point hast long been refuted. Not suitable for educational video.

  • @voidscreaming1012
    @voidscreaming1012 Год назад +2

    Perfect timing, been dealing with this myself